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June 9, 2026 | 00:04:45 | Government, News, News Commentary | Explicit

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The 5-4 team dreams up a bigger, better Supreme Court, gives advice to overachieving undergrads and late-blooming law students, and clears up confusion about Rhiannon’s finances. Thanks for all of your questions, and for being a Premium member! 5-4 is presented by Prologue Projects. This episode was produced by Alli Rodgers. Leon Neyfakh provides editorial support. Our website was designed by Peter Murphy. Our artwork is by Teddy Blanks at Chips NY, and our theme song is by Spatial Relations. Transcriptions of each episode are available at fivefourpod.com Follow the show at @fivefourpod on most platforms. On BlueSky, find Peter @notalawyer.bsky.social, Michael @fleerultra.bsky.social, and Rhiannon @aywarhiannon.bsky.social. Our Sponsors: * Check out Mint Mobile and use my code mintmobile.com/FIVEFOUR for a great deal: https://www.mintmobile.com * Check out Quince and use my code quince.com/fivefour for a great deal: https://www.quince.com Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands
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00:00:00 - 00:00:35 | Speaker 2:

Hey, everyone. This is Leon from Prologue Projects. On this subscriber-only episode of 5 to 4, Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael are answering your questions. And as per usual, you had a lot of them. About everything from court reform and law school social dynamics to sleeping with the enemy and Rhiannon's financial literacy. The hosts have advice for the young and the old, for the gunners and the gooners. Some of you will be praised. Many will be scolded. This is 5 to 4, a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks.

00:00:42 - 00:00:55 | Speaker 3:

Welcome to 5 to 4, where we dissect and analyze the Supreme Court cases that have infringed upon our civil rights, like Patagonia infringing upon Patagonia's trademark. I'm Peter. I'm here with Rhiannon.

00:00:56 - 00:00:56 | Speaker 1:

Hey, everybody.

00:00:57 - 00:00:57 | Speaker 3:

And Michael.

00:00:58 - 00:01:14 | Speaker 4:

Hi. Yeah, if you're not in the know, Patti Gonia is a drag queen who is in a legal battle with Patagonia, the outdoor apparel company. Yeah. And I think we know who's going to win this one.

00:01:15 - 00:01:26 | Speaker 3:

Yeah. It's been a little bit of an online drama because she's trying to win in the streets. Right. She's like, you know, posting videos on Instagram or whatever, takes on Instagram.

00:01:26 - 00:01:32 | Speaker 1:

What is she trying to get? She wants a trademark on Patagonia, her drag name.

00:01:32 - 00:02:28 | Speaker 3:

Yes. And she's trying to sell like outdoorsy merch under that name and like partner with Patagonia's competitors. It's such a clear loss. The Internet has started to turn against her rightfully. Right. But yeah, and Patagonia is suing to enforce their trademark. They're suing for a dollar, so it's clear the only thing they actually want is enforcement of the trademark. If you look at the suit, there are past communications from a few years ago where they agreed mutually to, here's how I'm going to use the name, here's what I'm not going to do, and now she's violating the terms of that agreement. So we had a few people ask about this, and this is a listener question episode. Spoiler. I don't really have a ton of thoughts because I don't know a lot about trademark law. Don't let my A-minus in trademark fool you. I have no recollection, not even a little bit.

00:02:28 - 00:03:01 | Speaker 4:

Yeah, I don't know a ton. I've looked into this more than I care to just for this episode. My understanding is that Patty wants to do a collab with North Face. Oh. And North Face has a requirement that their collaborators have a trademark. Hence, the effort to trademark Patagonia and related apparel. But the problem is it's just too similar. There is a Supreme Court case about this because people are saying, well, it's a parody.

00:03:01 - 00:03:18 | Speaker 3:

Trademark parody is not like a copyright issue. A lot of lay people in the TikTok comments don't understand the difference between trademark and copyright. And I got to say, it's driving my lawyer brain a little bit nuts. I'm like, nope, it's not the same.

00:03:18 - 00:04:03 | Speaker 4:

actually i'm almost hopping in there this was like with jack daniels that remember this where their people were making like dog toy jack daniels oh yeah we talked about that case on the podcast yeah and so like the the trademark analysis was basically like look if something's a parody the question is still confusion and whether or not people would believe like jack daniels actually produced this and so the question is would people believe patagonia produced these patagonia things with a Patagonia logo on them or something that looks something exactly like the Patagonia logo. And the answer is, yeah, people would be like, oh, that looks like a little collab between my favorite outdoor woke apparel brand and a drag queen. Right. Like, I think that's such a simple

00:04:03 - 00:04:45 | Speaker 3:

analysis. Small correction, though. She's not using the same logo. Hey, folks, if you want to hear the rest of this episode, you're going to have to subscribe. This episode is one of our premium patreon only episodes membership starts at just five bucks a month so if you want to hear the rest join us at patreon.com slash five four pod that's five four pod all spelled out members get a bunch of stuff not only do you get access to the premium episodes but access to subscriber only events discounts on merch and at the ten dollar a month level you get bigger discounts on merch and membership in the incredibly rowdy five to four slack so again that's patreon.com slash five four pod five four pod all spelled out become a member today

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