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#137: Theosophical Technocracy w/ Matt Ehret
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#137: Theosophical Technocracy w/ Matt Ehret

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July 17, 2026 | 01:35:04 | Society & Culture, Society & Culture, Philosophy, Religion & Spirituality, Spirituality | Explicit

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Yes, those ads are annoying, but it helps support the show! For Early Access, Ad-Free video episodes become a member on Spotify, YouTube or Join Patreon ! In this episode of 6G Agenda, investigative journalist Matthew Ehret joins us for a deep dive into the intellectual and philosophical roots of what we describe as the emerging Theosophical Technocracy. Together, we trace the evolution of esoteric philosophies from nineteenth-century Europe into the institutions, think tanks, and technology culture that have helped shape the modern world.The conversation explores the influence of the Theosophical Society, the Human Potential Movement, and the founding of the Esalen Institute in Big Sur, California. We examine how spiritual experimentation, psychology, cybernetics, systems theory, and emerging technologies converged during the twentieth century, helping lay the groundwork for many ideas that later permeated Silicon Valley.Matthew also maps a broad network of historical figures and institutions, discussing the influence of Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Aldous Huxley, Thomas Henry Huxley, Julian Huxley, and the legacy of Charles Darwin. We examine how concepts such as evolution, social engineering, perennial philosophy, and scientific materialism have intersected with modern visions of governance, technology, and civilization.The discussion further explores the role of philanthropic foundations, elite educational institutions, and transatlantic networks, including the influence of Rockefeller-funded initiatives, British intellectual circles, and California’s counterculture movement in shaping the cultural landscape that gave rise to today’s AI-driven technocratic future.Topics covered include: The origins of Theosophy Helena Blavatsky and Alice Bailey The Human Potential Movement The Esalen Institute and Big Sur Aldous, Thomas, and Julian Huxley Charles Darwin and evolutionary philosophy Cybernetics and systems thinking Rockefeller philanthropy and research institutions Silicon Valley’s philosophical foundations Technocracy and transhumanism AI, consciousness, and the future of civilization Is today’s technological revolution merely the product of scientific progress, or does it also reflect a deeper philosophical tradition that has quietly evolved for more than a century? Join us as we explore the historical ideas, institutions, and influential figures that continue to shape the modern technocratic landscape.6G Agenda — We Talk About What They Won’t. Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/6g-agenda--6645757/support . Thanks for checking us out! Links Below!! Join Our Discord! Support the show below Patreon: 6G Agenda | Podcast | Patreon BuyMeACoffee Click Here for X. Apple Podcasts To escape these ads and enjoy video go to our YouTube . We do a lot of live shows with engagement on there.
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all right welcome to 6g agenda i'm your host andrew here again to talk about what they won't and today we got a special guest matt errett he's back to talk with us about the theosophical technocracy a little bit more on the esalen institute last time we kind of edged around the esalen a good amount as we talked about our traditionalist movement episode information all that stuff that he brought it was super packed and maybe we can unpack some more today and welcome back Matt how you doing today hey Andrew I'm doing good I'm looking forward to this awesome me too yeah so last time you know we talked a lot about Big Sur Esalen X-Men being kind of connected to that I thought that was really interesting and since then i've kind of been noticing and researching more into like esalen and the modern kind of influencer tech bro scene and kind of the connections with that and i've noticed a theosophical technocracy kind of agenda that seems to be going on and i want to kind of delve into more of the esalen stuff you seem to be the guy with a lot of good information on that so

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i'm excited to talk to you about it oh well thanks man i mean i i my wife has also uh helped me a lot in piecing together um a lot of the story and and we wrote a book together actually called uh uh the revenge of the mystery cults in the first volume of it it's a trilogy in the first volume of it it's called mystery babylon in the age of aquarius and i've got a copy of that actually here just so your your followers can see the the the cover it's got this fun black sun dripping lava moves onto a bunch of flipped out uh baby boomers tripping out at woodstock and uh people are at first we're a little bit confused when you go through it i mean we i think we make the connection pretty clearly as far as the uber mentioned it chain trans like the the uber mentioned concept as it was rooted in both the schools of nietzsche of wagner of the overmentioned will to power crowd that was emerging out of the the uh the pagan folk scene of uh of europe especially germany but also of england and the uber mentions the superman race

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that really goes back to the root race concept that is rooted in theosophy right well that yeah

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that those who are going to be qualified to set the seed the the stage for the new root race so that are those aryan teutonic uh brood who have attained the maximum stage of evolution possible within the current fourth root race cycle out of which um you know you you have sort of seven subdivisions as Blavatsky created this very strange um pseudo-Darwinian cosmology that explains our evolution but so she and her theosophical network provided this solution to the the yeah so let's do it this way let's actually take the time to to quickly just paint a picture of uh of the the overmentioned idea that that's at the heart of transhumanism that that is all over esalen later on so this concept if you look at the way the stage was set in the early 19th century you had on the one hand uh radical darwinism that was proposed by the city of london by the the leading um fake science i'll call them fake scientists because i don't think they were real scientists the handlers of charles darwin like thomas huxley the the grandfather of Aldous Huxley and Julian Huxley, he was the Darwin's Bulldog, and he was the creator of what's known as the X Club. The X Club was a sort of think tank that consolidated, that had the mandate to try to co-opt all known science that had progressed and perfected itself by means.

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of a type of creative thinking that is not supposed to be permitted for humanity. If we're going to be self-controlled monkeys in a zoo, we can't have access to this part of ourselves that allows us to make Eureka-like discoveries into the invisible laws of creation and transpose those back into new technologies that allow us to break free of the limits, change the rules of the game, and then overcome limits to growth. That is not supposed to. We're supposed to be adaptive to limits that are created and controlled by a high oligarchical master class that is supposed to be our destiny not doing real science so what this group coming out of the british royal society

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for that um creation the royal society was known from its start as the invisible college that is what thomas huxley was brought into he was assigned to create this x club idea that brought together leading imperial scientists from chemistry and physics and even anthropology matthew arnold was a literature a literary figure from the science of mind who was brought into the this thing so was herbert spencer the founder of social darwinism so was francis galton the founder of eugenics they're all members of this thing and the idea was to force this this darwinian idea of gradualism onto every branch of science so that the idea of the the discontinuous like quantum-like leap that leap that is required for discovery to happen in any field or even evidence of those uh discontinuous changes that are not chaotic but they are also not gradual that you find in the evidence of the growth of fossil records where there's no gradual variation there's only discontinuous changing systems. The further back you go in the fossil records, you have whole systems that change, but they change in an organized way. So we have lower states of order becoming through the new system of a higher ordering appearance. That implies something about the organization of God of the universe, of purposefulness that might even exist outside of the human subjective experience, which changes the whole idea of what the subjective-objective divide even means so all of this stuff was supposed to be scrubbed completely and um and so

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darwin was the big thing because he and so darwin's the guy okay so just to pause on this darwin's the guy of course that came up with survival the fittest right this idea that you have this superior race essentially within all the animal kingdoms you know whatever ecology you want to sit there and magnify and then as you progress of course you have eugenicists uh all this thomas huxley I guess all this wasn't quite the eugenicists as much as his brother and his father, but all of them are kind of think tanker guys that seem to be the first iteration of what we see Epstein bringing together with all of his scientists getting together to kind of continue what seems to be what they started back then. And what came out of it is this idea of, I guess, the stagnancy we see with the technological progress we have here to kind of add to what you're saying, which is this idea of linear progression. And you don't have this exponential growth, which would then, of course, you wouldn't have utopia, right? You wouldn't have any kind of great society. Now, they seem to be kind of reverting a little bit and offering this idea of an exponential growth from AI and and almost to give it these godlike attributes because it's going against this linear progression that they've sold us for 100 years. Am I kind of on to something there?

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yeah well i think what they're doing right now like that they will allow a certain type of scientific and technological progress if it is wrapped in sufficient thickness of um of mysticism that is irrational so if you can create a mythology around why is the science happening and and say for example uh we've reversed engineered it out of alien advanced aircraft that crashed or it was communicated to us on lsd trips by extra extra dimensional

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beings that gave us science or uh we are being used by disembodied spirit uh demon entities or the antichrist that have been used for multi multiple generations as skin suits for the subconscious forces that are the the antichrist itself that is all of us that is the collective unconscious that has been using us against our even will to create science and grow science so that a platform could finally be brought into being apparently by us but not really uh actually because we're all possessed uh we're all possessed by these in disincarnate forces that now that they have the modern internet and cybernetic technology and command control and satellite systems can finally manifest itself physically as peter thiel would want us to

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believe so they make that up to kind of um explain the idea of this uh anything outside of the logic of linear progression yeah so if it's outside that then they have to prove their logic still okay and correct by going there's some other worldly thing going on that we don't quite understand and that's why we get this yes you don't get it we don't get it and we're all you know just confused here and it's chaos magic exactly yeah exactly and uh that's genius that

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that's sort of the um um the formula of of how thomas huxley wired the sale of darwin to the people because the idea was okay that's what's going to explain everything is darwinian gradualism that's rooted in like you said um uh a struggle of the the fittest to survive as it destroys the weakest breeds and that would justify on the one hand the system of human control of empire that the british empire could then say well you know we must be the most lawful natural thing because darwin and look you know what we're doing in in uh india to create controlled famines it's distasteful but it's necessary because it's science and if if it wasn't true if if if this wasn't the most natural way of doing things and we were wrong then the indians would be the ones running the world empire depopulating us in england but it's not the case so we must have proven genetically through what we're doing to africa to india to the irish that we're the most lawful way of organizing society so you know look read your darwin um and then you know from there there's just the corollaries of the the natural extension of that to human self-organization more directly through herbert spencer and francis galton you know who just said okay well let's let's not beat around the bush like this is directly like darwin's like oh but that's just that's just two different different topics and and these guys are like no they're not two different topics it's the same topic let's just extend your logic now to human social organization and then we can debate whether we want a centralized command and control called eugenics of galton or do we want to just like have a free market liberal system where the the weak are weeded off by the strong in this social darwinian sort of more libertarian friendly uh survival of the fittest thing either way it's

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the same axioms that you share it's a fake debate and when the flexner report came out in reference to these this time period i don't know i don't i'm just curious it's just funny because it's like i would imagine that the medical industry might have changed a little bit whenever they decided

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to go from oh uh you know what i'm saying yeah the allopathic medicines right and that's 1917

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is about 1913 1917 yeah so i didn't know where that fits into this timeline because you see that you know they always do this where they'll come out with a theory a thing a science uh name something you know like trying to think of a modern version of this but they'll come out with something where it's like look it's just isolated to this but you could see the writing on the wall if you're smart and you're like no that could be kind of brought out to everybody and it does get done you know later so i'm just curious if maybe you know that's a good point and the rockefeller

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foundation is going to play a big role in a lot of this stuff especially on the taylor de chardin aspect of things because you okay so here's it's all about dichotomies right uh controlled dichotomies so the here's what i want to say so and this will this will get into uh the whole uh reform in the medical system as well and science and the the the funding control and and flow of science more generally into the disaster of the 20th century uh yeah that'll flow so he creates this idea saying okay you have a choice you have a choice of either being a radical christian fundy and he would usually get the most radical ignorant anglican priest or whatever to go and debate him because darwin was not competent enough to debate to defend his own ideas so it required huxley who was more like sardonic and witty but he didn't even believe in darwin he even admitted in his personal letters that are that are an embarrassment today for uh those who subscribe to darwinian evolution as being somehow a legitimate approach to uh explaining explaining evolution he admitted in his letters that he thought that darwin's theory was incompetent but he fought to the death to defend it and and and impose that as the only option available and the way he would do it.

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He would market, he would create these high publicity events, kind of like boxing matches for nerds, I guess, and have like a lot of media cover it. And it would have like an ignorant priest on the one hand who could only like argue from the standpoint of the literal interpretation of the Bible of 6,000 years, everything, nothing existed before that. And we lived with dinosaur bones are there to challenge us. And he knew that that was so weak that he could just destroy it. and um and so that created this idea that okay you have to be one either a christian fundy literalist or you could be a darwinian literalist and be then a man of science but there's nothing in between all of the real scientists were all iced out who were explaining like natural uh not natural uh they were they were looking at intelligent design from a standpoint that was grounded in real science that was not rooted in just interpreting things from what the bible says but did acknowledge people like James DeWay, Dana Kroll, Ernst von Bayer, the Lamarck School. There's a whole, Cuvier, there's a whole network of scientists all over from the United States to Europe who are all looking at purposefulness, harmony, orientation, directionality, morality, infused into their concept of like the flow of what makes evolution move. So there was a whole bunch of people who were bringing in conceptions of the sun, of of what was then known uh from from electromagnetic uh aspects of creation we're all looking at these different different components of of what was what we need to hold into mind to explain why there is this thing of of of living matter that emerges and moves and a lot of it disappears goes extinct but why what about these cataclysms that seem to happen right what that punctuate these moments of of change um so anyway all of that was iced out at cox

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work with the actualization of the hierarchy and she explains how a planetary hierarchy is going to be merging coming back here uh that there was a tear ripped in the the veil we could call it which is this astral realm and they said there was around world war one because of all the emotional trauma during the world wars that there was this uh portal you could say opened up and this planetary hierarchy is coming and i think it's just like the archons the demi or you know this kind of concept of the same astrological pantheon that you know we look at everywhere that permeates all different religions and mystery cults and so but it's interesting because if you look like this whole this new age

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concept comes from that this whole age of aquarius this merging seems to be what they're trying to manifest their technology which is why again this is entitled theosophical technocracy because i do believe that it is connected right in line with the externalization of the hierarchy uh yeah yeah very interesting i mean it gets right into blue beam what is blue beam that's what it is the externalization of the hierarchy if it was real i don't think it'll literally happen like that But I think that guy may have gotten that idea from reading Alice Bailey's work.

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I think so. I think so. I mean, Alice Bailey is is sort of a poor counterfeit, but just sort of carrying on the because all of these guys, as soon as they feel like they've achieved their gnosis, they're now God. and now whatever they imagine is a reality and they're thus authorized to uh create their own myths that they add on to and this is where you get a lot of the these these egos emerge out of the theosophical school that all have the idea that they're god and then they have these disputes about what kutume is telling you know uh lead beater say no he's telling me this and then yeah i'm i'm receiving these channeled messages from from the ascended masters no you're wrong and then they'll create these spinoff groups and then you'll have you know william that doesn't

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get touched on enough is how much fuckery was proven to be going on with these guys where they're like dude we've gotten them in a room and they couldn't re-replicate what they were doing you know but they've got all these writings that people reference and talk about but they always leave out the fact that these guys were sham artists yeah they're doing magic tricks yeah

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like rovatsky is is is materializing she's using magic tricks that were proven to be magic tricks a couple of people who were like working for her were disgusted by her trap doors and all these secret passages and her entire house like mansion in adyar india was was wired to be a a magic trick house so that she could like manifest these fake letters from the ascended masters to tell her her servants to serve her breakfast faster she had the first fun house yeah the first fun house yeah and they exposed this a couple of her um what do they call the uh the coulomb the coulomb uh emma and uh her husband coulomb who i think were the grandchildren of the scientist actually who might have infiltrated her compound uh acting like they were supporters in order to get the the dirt that everyone knew who had a brain was a very dangerous new new syncretic religion being like created artificially to overthrow all of the all of society and they brought this to the surface and it was a big embarrassment in the 1880s and and blavatsky even like lost her position as the head of the the uh the theosophist for that period um because of the massive embarrassment while we're

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on this i just you know i don't think it'll take us too far off i just want to say that this shows that this idea of like them incarnating god into ai or this idea of them like i don't know merging with some externalization of a hierarchy is just bullshit and what it's really about is total control over people with a hierarchical structure with you know men divine men rights to rule whatever they believe it's a theosophical thing in nature because it's got the root race aspect to it but it's really just about technocratic police state you know where they run everybody in a pyramidal structure again like they did before and all this other shit's just to sell you that idea you know the divinity etc so anyway i just want to put that yeah and that's

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all these guys are eugenicists too but i'll have to say okay so here's the thing um so let's uh just go back you have this false debate she's resolving this false debate between materialism and spiritualism or the materialism and religion she's like she's like no it's going to be this it's going to be fiosky that resolves it and it's going to be darwinian but directed by spiritual ascended masters that communicate and direct the flow of human beings to our next phase of evolution through these cycles of which at the end of each each of these these root races the older uh obsolete species like for example blacks and the the the yellow people that she spoke actually people are trying to defend her but she spoke very very racially about how these were uh of a lower spiritual order and are thus uh not not spiritually fit to survive this new phase of evolution so only the most advanced superior um atlantean beings or beings that were seeded from atlantis which is the teutonic aryan uh rate racial type they are the most spiritually advanced who are qualified to oversee that transition what she even said is must happen in southern or in in the southwest of the united states which will involve some form of syncretization of east meeting west somehow

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whoa let's pause there yeah there's a lot going on uh in that region right now where they're trying to prove that there is this this old world egypt was here now there's i think a different form of this that they're going to try to say where it's not old egypt that's here it's that atlantis was here and that it you know was connected to egypt through this one world structure of like uh you know god

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king system that kind of they're trying to recreate again with you know this ai structure but you've been seeing that right like in the grand canyon where they have certain areas that are labeled after like egyptian um places like memphis etc like the king's chamber but then you go down there and you find hieroglyphs and apparently the smithsonian uh you know covered up findings that a guy went there do you know about this story yeah the bivini ridge and stuff like the guy that you know went down there and he got caught and essentially he talked about all the stuff he found in the grand canyons that were egyptian iconic free he found literal temples inside of caves in the grand canyon and the smithsonian completely covered it up people have tried to go back there and there's black helicopters that will come if you try to go in there and so there's this building you know uh this history of like building lies into this theory that you're kind of pointing out right now uh almost to prove what you just said the

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southwest merging of east with west yeah like i'm i'm quite convinced that the actual uh location of atlantis and i i interviewed the uh the author of the atlantis uh puzzle which is a fantastic book and i interviewed him a few months ago and this book is is wonderful and this guy is a greek scholar and he just used plato's timaeus and he translated the whole thing anew because he was like all existing translations of Plato's Timaeus that is the only thing that we really have as an authentic document that talks about Atlantis in a serious way um and that the whole myth is built upon they're all mistranslated all of them were mistranslated by Benjamin Jowett by all of these Oxford Cambridge um controllers of ancient Greek uh thought so the whole school of Greek translations is highly consolidated in the same way that the school of of empiricist science was controlled by the royal society the same thing was right by the same society to the the domain of the classics okay so he just re-translated it more authentically than anybody's ever done and then just followed exactly the locations the that that uh plato documents within the timaeus by you know the characters of pythagorean timaeus the last surviving pythagorean describing um this this ancient civilization that solon had had entered had learned from the the egyptians and so he just goes through it and i think proves the case better than anybody that i've ever seen that it's it's in west africa northwest africa there's a a circular anyway they all you think it's the you think it's the richard structure yeah yeah the richard structure that's what that's called right

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that's called the richard structure in africa yeah i'm familiar with that the water would have

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been very very high africa was in a green oasis at that time the uh there's areas of desert that would have actually been uh plentiful full of water at that period and he goes through the different locations from the mediterranean where you would would have had the entry point of the

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pillars of heracles that would not have been guy's name what's the guy's name is this the guy that

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was like on rogan no okay he's so good um do you know who i'm talking about the guy that went on

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rogan and he's talking about the same area uh i can't remember his name okay this is the guy

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I'll give you his. I haven't thought about this for a while. So I, yeah, that should be a whole show to itself. I haven't thought about it, so I haven't really quite looked at it for a while. George Sarantitis is the Greek scholar that he was working with who did the translations. And it's just so well-crafted. Anyway, and it also ties into Homer, too, which there's a key. And I was saying Timaeus, but I meant to say Credo, the Credo dialogue.

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Yeah, Credeus. Oh, the Credeus. Yeah, Credeus.

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The Credeus dialogue is the actual location.

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Yeah, Credeus is the son or brother or something like that, right? I forget. Yeah, it's like a whole lineage because it's like 900 years later and it's a whole thing. And another, just not to get off on this too much, but there's this concept of it being like the noble lie where it was never.

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actually real and it was this concept of just two warring um two warring uh cities that were actually not yeah the sea and yeah like it was an analogy it was like athens wasn't really ran by philosopher kings but in the story it was and they went to war with a materialistic god king style um atlantis right and yeah you know so it's just kind of like this weird thing where some people say it was all an analogy that's been literalized over time and and now the elites are using it to justify their rule yeah you know yeah which is interesting that's what yeah it's

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a control everything is controlled by myths right so that's all in history is and the the from the way i see it is that you have two different categories of myths like either those myths that are created from from at least an honest heart that is intended that that that make us better people in some way that make us more that through the myth whether it's a sacred story or yeah whatever noble lie yeah that's a noble lie yeah that legitimately do make us more in tune with god's creation with natural law that that help us become more self-aware of who we really are and thus ironically more capable of of scrutinizing the myths that we maybe thought were true when we were younger that we then realized oh that was a sacred myth so the ones that basically help you get out of the cave versus those that immerse you more into the cave

00:31:19 - 00:31:34 | Speaker 1:

and they've inverted that structure they've inverted that system where now they're selling us myths that actually degrade our thinking degrade our understanding of reality and actually they're doing the opposite of a noble lie it's just a flat lie that's good man it's a good that's a

00:31:34 - 00:34:09 | Speaker 2:

good exercise well going back to what you were saying about yeah um yeah the the effort to try to make it appear as though atlantis is somehow located in or was located in uh the united states or off the coast of the west the united states there's there's also issues of like there's been efforts to try to make it appear as though lemuria was just off the coast of the pacific maybe mount shasta is a part of lemuria that's still you know above uh anyway um i would say for me at least there there's two aspects of this you've got the forged fake stuff and then you've got the real evidence of an international maritime uh civilization that had a very high degree of awareness of of spherics of the mapping of the stars that were building structures in harmony with the same universal sort of set of ideas that were discoverable and derived from the type of periodicities and measurements one could get by mapping out the cycles of the planets, of the stars, things like that. And so all of mathematics that I think that we know of has been inverted by the same kind of controllers that want to keep us in the cave to make it seem as though that math emerged out of just counting shit or wanting to make money and having accounting systems in sumer or babylon and thus out of math came geometry and out of geometry came uh physics and astronomy at the end of the day whereas i think the reality the real evidence points to the fact that no it was actually astronomy that came first and yeah sure we could differentiate that there's two rocks not three rocks or something that that that probably grew in parallel but it's not like math emerged first i think that the the uh math is is is a tertiary phenomenon to first the study of physics of astronomy and then from there you have uh geometries that we can like the golden section we could begin to start discovering pretty quickly by looking at how these like non-linear changes happen in uh in the stars in the procession of the equinoxes things like that and then from there you can get like you could derive from study of the golden section things like the metric system like what we know of as being the um even the the imperial system and a lot of the metrics that are used in the formation of the pyramid of kofuru of the the various geometries that are organizing the the structures of machu picchu and the structures in guatemala and all over and and so there's a lot of evidence that there was one unifying well but with multiple not one unifying religion one unifying culture but there was one unifying sort of system of commerce that had certain common sharing of ideas uh do you think that

00:34:09 - 00:34:17 | Speaker 1:

they had the pyramids like apart from each other in a um proportionate micro uh way as the planets

00:34:17 - 00:34:59 | Speaker 2:

were i mean i think they were trying trying to do that definitely emulating what they could see of the geometries of the planets for sure i could see that yeah i think i think that that's really an intriguing thought yeah there's another guy a friend of mine named fami krasniki who did a great documentary the best one and i interviewed i actually did a series of like nine interviews with him that are that he just blew my mind with the quality of his research and it's a three-hour documentary that he did in 2019 called uh well it's called k19 the great pyramid and i'll send you actually that link i i found it was the most responsibly done uh account of or meta hypothesis of the the pyramids but not just of egypt he begins with that but then of the of the alternative um

00:35:00 - 00:35:25 | Speaker 1:

uh building methods um that would have involved pouring concretes not not necessarily moving big giant uh multi-ton blocks huge uh distances he actually goes a very very good distance into demonstrating the the moldings and the evidence for that of many of the concrete techniques inside of the pyramids but also how that was replicated in the new world as well um well they it wasn't

00:35:25 - 00:35:40 | Speaker 2:

really called the new world right back then right um man i could see that that that actually would be crazy uh if they could prove that because that would make a lot more sense uh maybe they just knew how to make really nice smooth concrete you know well yeah and it anyway i'll also i'll send

00:35:40 - 00:37:54 | Speaker 1:

you the documentary and it builds on that and and uh and it doesn't rely on like atlantean super being venusians it doesn't rely on on aliens helping it's not it doesn't rely on on high advanced lasers but it it does break free of the standard model garbage molding or garbage explanation that we're we're told we have to adopt if we want to be scientific in each ecology the same way that you know biologists are told if they want to be scientific and respected they have to adopt the darwinian mold and there's and the and thus those who who reject that constricting absurdity and all the absurdities that go with that type of standard model will tend to often fall into the theosophical trap of then sort of irrational sort of Gnostic mystic types and they will miss the nuance in between um so one of the things that um that was needed from the Christian side and this is where the Jesuits of Pierre Terre de Chardin who later becomes a of the founder of the term with Julian Huxley their friends in the 40s and 50s he he comes into play here because now the jesuits under what are called the modernists of uh chardin his his sect within the jesuits they're deployed now to resolve the discrepancy by merging darwinianism with christianity so to bring darwin into the church and to reform the church that way but not just for darwin but for modernism more broadly to get the church to accept modern ideas now that becomes a false this is this becomes the scarecrow for what the the traditionalists despise when because they think all things that are modernistic are evil right all things that lead to technological progress is evil but that what they're reacting to is the type of chardin uh disgusting infusion of modernism into uh christianity which was never supposed to work oh somebody biblical hitman's doing oh yeah yeah shout out steven he's doing a show every night nice i'll be into that later yeah absolutely i will too yeah shawley is a disgusting piece of shit like really really really gross person um he's like calling for he's writing openly about his call for um forced eugenics onto the world in in a healthy type of scientific society but he's a christian supposedly who's all about i may

00:37:54 - 00:38:26 | Speaker 2:

uh you know do you know who james giordano is dr james giordano james giordano james giordano he's a um what would you call him a neural warfare expert and uh you know he's he's like deep into the darpa you know but he came out of georgetown which is a jesuit college and very much into this kind of what you just said this forced but through science and this new yeah he very much uh creating the foundations of that being possible yeah I would look into him he's he's an interesting

00:38:26 - 00:40:00 | Speaker 1:

character I've written him down okay what he's deployed to do he he immediately um is so he starts his career early on um already participating with um Conan Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and a team in England he's just like he was working in Egypt and then he goes on a little bit of a sojourn for a few months to England where he just happens to be to fall upon a little tooth somewhere in uh in Piltdown, England and uh and there's an excavation that begins with his little discovery of a few little chips of bone and a tooth and the uh this this this royal society team it's it's all the royal society they then do this excavation he's participating in this that generates what's called the Piltdown man as the the the missing link and they're like oh see finally darwin is right because there are missing links and it's right here where ty of the chalde happened to like bump his toe on a tooth now it's discovered years later like a decade later somebody actually does the work on the the jawbone and the the the the the the parcels of skull that were sort of assembled and it's proven that this thing was just a dyed uh canine tooth with like a monkey jawbone and a human skull or some inversion of that oh wow so they didn't even excavate anything else there and they just mix shit together yeah and then they just did an extraction and they made like you know artistic renderings of what these little fragments were based on that look kind of

00:40:00 - 00:40:53 | Speaker 3:

like a mix between a monkey and a today's human, right? And so it was proven back in the 20s that it was a complete hoax. But by then, the idea was already seeping in because we went through 10 years of propaganda just influencing our felt thoughts of those who would like just read that the missing link was solved and not think any more about the disclaimer in 1923, like 10 years later saying, oh yeah, maybe that was a, not maybe, that was a fraud. But that's for, the logic now doesn't matter because the felt thought matters more. that's now what's acting on the zeitgeist and um and shaldane then you know he's still trying to like reform the church he's a disruptor and at a certain point because he's again he's bringing in anti-christian dark concepts he's trying to into uh church doctrine which they're clearly incompatible the idea of survival of the fittest all the stuff it's not compatible with the idea that mankind is made in the living image of god that's not compatible so then it is whenever you

00:40:53 - 00:41:07 | Speaker 1:

hammer on the Schofield chosen, you know, people, right. The 13 tribes, right. When they start hammering on that a little harder, it might be a little bit more compatible. Good point. Yeah. It's the Zionist movement, right?

00:41:07 - 00:42:58 | Speaker 3:

Yeah. And that's another thing about, about Shao Deng. He's also a follower of Nietzsche. He's also trying to promote the idea of the Uber mention of Nietzsche into Christianity, but he speaks so nicely, you know, and he, about the Christ consciousness idea. And it, it became like kind of like a bomb for the soul of many baby boomer hippies who just like resonated with his outwards like it's it's true when you read just the outward surface appearance of what he says it seems a lot of it seems innocuous and kind of pretty and nice and makes you feel good but then if you actually look at his letters you look at the the what's implicit in his in in his writings that he's sort of like hinting at but you'll only find what he actually means by going to his personal letters then you're like and and you look at what he's doing as well that that's important then you're like oh he has he's lying to us and there's just like like any of the the theosophists there's an exoteric and an esoteric school of theosophy and for the initiated then they get to discover the real uh blavatsky the real bailey the real taylor shall they and one of the things he then does he goes he sent he's exiled to china and he starts working with rock rockefeller funded uh programs that for example take him to peking uh today's beijing where he all of a sudden is participating a few years later in the peaking man uh excavation which basically tries to correct the problem of the fallacy of the piltdown man hoax which is a hoax and so they're basically uh he's the rockefeller foundation is funding this thing again to prove the missing link exists and they find a bunch of bones somebody describes what the bones are they put them in a crate chardin is on site helping the excavation they put the crate on a train it disappears forever nobody ever sees it again but it's sold to the world to this very day and people in in oxford and harvard they still act like this is somehow not a joke that these things

00:42:58 - 00:43:13 | Speaker 1:

the pelt down man uh the pelt down bed yeah and i think i've seen a digital rendition of that before right no one's ever seen the bones right they're gone they've been gone for like 90 years they're gone insane dude they still like national geographic will have like an episode about it

00:43:13 - 00:43:58 | Speaker 3:

still it's come on you know no man it's so it's so crazy so at that point like he's in in china for 20 years he never learns the chinese language he despises the chinese people he writes about how how disgusting he thinks the chinese are and how he'll never learn this language he thinks that actually they're an inferior breed um he talks about that um so again the defenders of darwin of shaldane i've written a long essay on shaldane he i wrote a whole chapter in one of my books And I've had a lot of his defenders come out attacking me for like slandering their hero. And I'm like, but how do you how do you respond to any of the quotes that I'm citing from? I'm like, just deal with what he's saying. And then and they can't do it because it's a religious thing for them. It goes beyond logic.

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prohibited by law see terms and conditions 21 plus so but he does it and then he's he's participating in this thing and he becomes friends of all people with julian huxley and he describes him and julian just are they're they're they're working together with unesco that julian is setting up and is the grandson of thomas huxley right so they're they're unesco

00:45:00 - 00:45:29 | Speaker 1:

is playing a big role in a lot of what Shaldeh is interfacing with as far as trying to get the control of the study of anthropology of the sacred sites of the the old stories of humanity that's the purpose of UNESCO more than anything else um and Julian Huxley says it explicitly in his founding documents that the purpose of UNESCO is to bring people towards a realization why eugenics is the queen of all sciences and we need to accept the one world government and he says that in his manifesto which is on the UNESCO website so we pause on that a little bit so the Chinese

00:45:29 - 00:46:37 | Speaker 2:

aspect to this is it interesting that they have the most advanced form of what they want to bring into this one world government system and when you think about this 13 uh tribes and then the illuminati 13 bloodlines is it's kind of weird that there's like this weird parallel there only in the sense that people will accept that the 13 leaders just to throw out an arbitrary kind of concept here that they're divine right to rule even though really they're this bloodline of illuminati families right and so i think it's kind of interesting little parallel there because in china you already kind of have because of the rockefeller trilateral connection and everything back in the early 1900s uh they kind of accepted this system a long time ago this global you know one world government system and we're kind of late and just kind of approaching converting into this But I think that when you look at China, you can see, because they don't like the Asians, that they were pretty quick on just like, let's get rid of them first and get this institution into place first for them. Almost out of their disdain for them that they were kind of the first scapegoats.

00:46:39 - 00:46:57 | Speaker 1:

I would almost want to have like a whole show just to sit down with you and chat about this because there's a lot of layers to this that you're bringing up. um yeah there is i feel like any anything that i i pull on will will almost derail the flow of the

00:46:57 - 00:47:01 | Speaker 2:

yeah yeah i'm just like listening to you talk about the china aspect and then this and i will

00:47:01 - 00:48:24 | Speaker 1:

say definitely they have been obsessed for centuries with destroying china and also india as to ancient civilizations that have a continuous memory um they did a better job of scrubbing the memory of the indians because the british directly controlled india for like two and a half centuries and during that time i got a friend actually matthew crawford who i don't know if you have you looked at matthew crawford's work i've heard of his name yeah yeah i haven't read not that i remember he did some he's done the most incredible work on the british control of india okay and how the british empire literally rewrote the sacred stories created hinduism which didn't even exist before the the 19th century before the british created hindu there was the the vedas the vedic religions that existed right but the the british empire literally created new bremen caste religion uh out of the indus valley concept that you know if you want to be friends with the british and get become good uh sub alphas as local managers of the plantation called india then uh you was the new caste that aldous huxley also adored and you like used to emulate that that caste system that didn't even exist in that form in any way before the british empire the caste system was a much more fluid thing before the british empire got in there and it just sort of denoted certain positions of in society that you could move in and out of um based upon your will and your your

00:48:24 - 00:48:38 | Speaker 2:

capacity and your merit your merit okay i could see that all right so unesco unesco's purpose was to get people to accept a one world government sorry for derailing you but yeah no i can i can totally see that i could see the asian agenda there that's been kind of well and this yeah

00:48:38 - 00:51:35 | Speaker 1:

Yeah, and this is a lot of what Blavatsky, when she's bringing in Indian Eastern mysticism or Eastern thinking into this new syncretic kind of highly adaptive world philosophy, this perennial philosophy that she's trying to weave that could just absorb and suck in anybody, right? It's so adaptive and attractive, the gravitational force of the malleability of this new type of stew, the type of Hindu and Buddhist doctrine that she likes is the type that was largely artificially concocted from scratch by the British Empire and their social engineers in India. It's not real. It's not authentically Indian, even. It's right. That's where Annie Besant, she's both a Fabian society eugenicist, but then she's also the head of the theosophist society who then sets up the india congress party so she's working with with this guy auto uh alan octavian hume who's a british imperialist civil servant in india who then sets up he's assigned to set up the india congress party to absorb all of the revolutionary energy of the indian and muslim and and sikh movements that were all fighting against the british empire and all of that had to be controlled re-adopt uh redirected in a controlled way so that You could have, as he calls it, the creation of pressure valves to release the pressure. of the the revolutionary tendencies and he does this he's a theosophist he's a he's not only a theosophist he's a member of the esoteric section of the theosophist and he is working closely with Blavatsky in Adyar he's working with uh Annie Besant who becomes the head later on the president of the India congress party and uh and so yeah like they're that's the the variation that's the damage that they they're doing yeah to India which today to this very day Gandhi is introduced to the study of the Bhagavad Gita and the, and the study of the Vedas when he's in London, he's in London at the, uh, at studying at the, at the inner temple. And that's, he's going to theosophical meetings who are, and it's these theosophists teaching him what it means to be an Indian studying the Bhagavad Gita, right? He's friends with, he might, he might have some dispute with how Annie Besant wants to run things, but he's still a respectful friend of hers, even to his old age. Jiddu Krishnamurti is also a member of, not Krishnamurti, sorry, Nehru, Jirohal Nehru, I can't pronounce his first name, but he's also a Fabian Society member who might get off the reservation at a certain point, but this guy is completely shaped by these theosophical ideas as well, and he's bunkering, he's, you know, having an affair, having sex with Lord Louis Mountbatten's wife uh so he's becoming this like you know little play thing of the of the elites who are using him and maybe again later on i'll admit that he might get off the reservation he's disgusted by what the british are doing so i'm not saying that these are one-dimensional characters neither am i saying that gadi is a one-dimensional character although he's probably a pedophile uh he might have gotten

00:51:35 - 00:52:02 | Speaker 1:

off the reservation still all that to say they same thing for china they've been afraid of the idea that these ancient civilizations if they become self-aware of what they are in a proper way then they represent a force that could be reckoned with and that could upset the construct the construction or the ambition of those who are running the british empire who want to co-opt take back control of america and then create this sort of new impenetrable roman empire that yes last

00:52:02 - 00:52:19 | Speaker 2:

this time around which is this is why the bank of england when people hammer at the bank of england being like at the core of this kind of global conspiracy it makes a lot of sense when you kind of hear this this kind of get fleshed out you know yeah and a lot of the american deep

00:52:19 - 00:53:10 | Speaker 1:

state problems a lot of this is british from the road scholars the fabians this the theosophist penetrations into america at the end of the 19th century a lot even the the very creation of the skull and bones even before before these agencies were created you still already had a british fifth column that was already setting up shop with wall street so you can actually prove that all of wall Street as we know it all of the Yale operation uh Elihu Root who was the uh the you know a skull and bones uh leader in and ahead of Yale this guy was in charge of uh Chennai the the private corporation of Chennai which is a theosophical hub and it's still a major cult control center of politics even to this very day and it runs in a very similar way as the city of London runs as a city within a city as a private corporation but in India right above the control and influence of the state so it's something is there one of those in like every

00:53:10 - 00:53:25 | Speaker 2:

country that is ran by i mean not every country but you know what i'm saying i mean is this like a more common thing than because we always think of the vatican london dc but this probably i mean i would i would venture to guess it probably is more common yeah it's not in every country but

00:53:25 - 00:55:00 | Speaker 1:

it's there it is there there are these control hubs these right yeah for sure and that's that's chennai the corporation of chennai that ellie who had run for the british this is what was running the opium wars so the faction of the american aristocracy that was running the opium wars and making the riches in the 19th 19th century they were the ones who were allied always to this they were the pro-british faction of america that wanted to have this anglo-american you know organization and they basically despised the american revolutionary ideas so they wanted to undo the 17th the founding documents they thought that that was a mistake we should have always just remained loyal to the british empire and thus co-controlled the world as the anglo-saxon races you know forever without any type of disruption so they were always the ones you know overseeing the murder of so many of the american presidents was this faction and there's been like eight american presidents that died while in office and if you look at what they're all doing they're all picking fights with the exact same institutional traditions and the representatives that are overseeing the destruction of of china of india um it's continuous it's totally continuous so and they have penetrations into massively india i think that china in my in this is where maybe in a future conversation we can talk about some of the nuance i i've detected more of a of a battle where i think that the chinese have actually uh battled this thing more than people realize and that's obscured but i think that could be demonstrated in a bunch of conversational positions that we could have in the future but wow yeah definitely we will yeah uh because a lot of us even if you look at like the worst things we're told about uh china's social credit stuff this is all stargate it's not none of this is coming out of china it's stargate operations from the city of

00:55:00 - 00:55:28 | Speaker 3:

of london that's seeded into the into california created stargate open ai all of the shit goldman sachs funding it um a lot of this is run out of the the cayman islands that then were brought in to china especially into the in the late 90s um early 2000s and that there's there's a battle inside of china over extricating this thing and putting a lot of the the representatives of this force in prison that's we're not told even in our alternative media there's a big a big blackout

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But yeah, okay. So, again, with the UNESCO created for accepting this one more government and how it kind of, of course, worked its way over into... So then you have like...

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Tyrell de Chaldey and Julian Huxley, who together – this is the same time, 1954, that Julian Huxley is writing his new wine for – or new wineskins for – no, new wineskins for old wine or new wine for old wineskins. Anyway. I forget. I forgot about that one. I haven't seen that one. This is where the term transhumanism in its current terminology is coined, I think, for the first time. Really?

00:57:14 - 00:57:24 | Speaker 4:

Yeah. Oh, I need to read that. I, what a, what a covert title for a very, uh, you know, yeah. And it's part of an homage to

00:57:24 - 01:00:00 | Speaker 3:

something that, that Thomas Huxley had written, uh, earlier, um, forgetting the name anyway, it's in my book. Um, but so yeah, you have both him and Chardin in his Omega point and his phenomenon of man. He's writing the, he's actually writing, Julian Huxley is writing the introduction for the phenomenon of man by chardin uh where he's also adding more detail but a little bit more for a religious audience whereas julian is catering his message for a more scientific audience of course in in both of them they're friends they act like one's a materialist one's a christian a spiritualist but they're actually the same thing they're just catering again they're messaging to different audiences to nudge everybody to the same uh solution concept and um yeah the the idea of the the the transhumanist thing that then becomes stargate so the whole stargate thing is driven by the sri right so the first iteration of stargate was set up already by the cia and the sri in california back in 1972 so 73 is it officially gets off the ground um it's uh its founding members are leading figures from scientology right hal putoff and ingo swan and not just low-level scientology members these are like seven ot uh operating feet in level met like very elite members of the scientology uh group that become the founding members jacques valet is brought in by hal putoff they remain lifelong friends and still work together to this very day um and it's hal putoff that gives jacques valet security clearance from the cia to to be involved in this thing they bring in ingo uh spoonbender guy right uh yuri geller who himself is a creation of uh of of puharic puharic is you know overseeing the whole nine concoction along with the duponts the forb family the uh the melons so you got these these these leading members of these oligarchical blue blood families who are getting together to be the assembled um prophets or channelers of the benign um overseen by this theosophist named uh the jock or something i'm forgetting what is the nine for anybody that doesn't know the nine is a uh a creation it's a it's it's a post-world war ii theosophical rebranding of channeled messages of ascended masters but with more of an et um spin-off where there's these imagined uh emissaries of the higher gods

01:00:00 - 01:01:09 | Speaker 1:

that want chosen, selected super being human elites to direct the flow of human evolution to enlightenment pretty much towards the externalization of a hierarchy, to say it simply. Could it be said that they want to accelerate it? Yes, they're accelerationists. And they want to, they're these nine beings that exist in the, I think one of the, there's different flavors, right? That emerge. Either they're in the rings of Saturn. so you got this whole saturnian cult aspect some say that they come from sirius so there's different variations spinoff groups that have different interpretations of where the nine are are existing in a either astral or temporal physical material domain some say they're disembodied uh some say they're physical it's different flavors of the same thing but the idea for that that uh puharic was because he was one of the key overseers of this grouping but his um but his sponsors who are participating in these these seances channeling the nine the messages from the nine and then inscribing them through automatic writing and other things were again leading members of the melon the dupont family the forbes family um if i may while we're on this

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i'm sorry i'm cutting you off but i just feel like it's important here cornelius agrippa came up with this idea of the nine uh long time ago like this angelic hierarchy of nine he's a hermeticist who wanted to merge Kabbalah with Christian mysticism and merge it all together, this perennial philosophy, which actually leads into the traditionalist movement. Dugan follows him, you know, studies his work along with Gwennon's work and kind of brings it all together. But when you look at Agrippa and what he started, it seems to permeate into what you're saying, the order of the nine with this, I'm sorry, the order of the nine angles, which is an accelerationist movement. And you also have the nine, which is what you're describing, which is less of a uh dark accelerationist eugenics movement but it's more of like this ascension idea of bringing people under this ideology but i i think it's interesting it comes all the way

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back from agrippa absolutely dude no that agrippa but there's this whole paracelsian network that even goes before agrippa that that is all these neoplatonic sort of uh scientific engineers they're they're they're taking some of the the formulas of that that plato lays out in the republic and they're just working it literally like they're using like i think plato when i've read i've read all of plato except for except for the there's a couple of dialogues i haven't read but i've i've studied plato for years and i'm totally of the view that plato is giving us the the the keys to breaking out of the cave and he's providing it like in the republic within the context of everything he's doing it's really a both a warning he's showing you how he's taking people for the very first time into the the sausage factory he's showing you all of the the internal workings of something that is very ancient that's been around he didn't create the this the system that he outlines within the the 10 books of the republic he's showing you what's already been there and the reason why we're all enslaved and being fucked over and by giving you the by by doing it in that dialectical fashion he's giving you all of the techniques and also tools to break out of it um whereas these guys all of the neoplatonists that come after him who were actually just hermeticists they take the the outward forms of what he does in the timaeus about the as above so as below but then they they they make it mystical hullabaloo they just start creating whatever type of hogwash symbolism that they that they can come up with to then build these whole tapestries of space operas and stories in a very gnostic kind of fashion which are super

01:03:37 - 01:04:05 | Speaker 2:

convoluted to that you're really proving you're i need to talk to you whenever i write this book because like you're i think you know the details that i don't quite know about i feel it like an instinctual knowing that that's what was done by reading his work and seeing how it's been obviously used today to try to push certain narratives and i can see it but i don't quite know the all the details so we'll have to talk more about that part later because i could see that yeah you could see the details of how they've taken it and just completely uh strung it along

01:04:05 - 01:04:59 | Speaker 1:

into new ideologies yeah like and so that's the agripa all of these guys they're they love the idea of they call themselves platonists but they're not they're they're actually the thing that plato is trying to fight if you read the like the sophist plato's the sophist or plato's the statesman or plato's uh permenides dialogue he's making fun of these uh these doppelgangers these people who will who they existed these theosophical types they existed before they had that name in in plato's time and they were they were they were emulating the outward structure of what plato's philosophy and socrates philosophy was in the pythagorean philosophy but they were doing they were they were tricksters and he's sort of again he's not being literal and people get very frustrated with plato because he's not literal but he's creating dissonances for the mind to appreciate how uh where are the where are the flaws in the arguments where the flaws in the axioms, words.

01:05:00 - 01:06:11 | Speaker 4:

sleights of hand where are the sleights of hand that are causing you to start with good uh premises in your pursuit of like what is justice and but then to result in horrific outcomes and he's giving you like the clues what's what is causing the mind to get uh tricked step by step into this horrific place and this is what agrippa and others are doing and i think yeah like when you look at the the the transhuman the the the the theosophical roots of transhumanism and again the theosophists set up the valerian brothers set up out of the crotona lodge in california the valerian valerian brothers were the founders of what i would say is silicon valley in 1907 they were they were progeny they were born into this theosophical sect that i think was the spinoff of the aryan lodge of was it it might have been william kwan judge's aryan lodge that that's big in in mexico um and in baja but oh no this is the the the any besant lodge i think that's the more official the big the more effective lodge well anyway the crotona lodge was where the valerian brothers were born out of they they became the founders of these the what became silicon valley as tech firms in california that always had the idea of manifesting the new root

01:06:11 - 01:06:32 | Speaker 2:

race they just didn't have drill down on that yeah drill down on that because that's this this is the the the merging in with silicon from the theosophists and i so who are these guys the valerian brothers yeah the valerian i go through them in uh i'm buying all your books dude i'm gonna tell you that right now okay all three of those ones you mentioned and what's this

01:06:32 - 01:06:42 | Speaker 4:

rosicrucian golem yeah that's volume two is rosicrucian golem and i go through the story of the valerian brothers in silicon valley and tesla on there is tesla rosicrucian

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No way, dude. Oh, wow, wow, wow. That's another conversation sometime. I'd love to know all about that.

01:07:37 - 01:08:43 | Speaker 4:

You can't – there's no smoking gun that ties him as a Rosicrucian. Right. um but let's just say he's he's one degree separation from sulfur in every direction you could imagine from bulwer linton who he studies bulwer linton's writings the rosicrucian uh grand master who oversees the rosicrucian renaissance in england and that seeds that actually trains blabatsky a lot of the theosophists are actually the outcome of the bulwer linton operation um also thomas huxley he's he's a big fan of thomas hux so nikola tesla is studying the x-club members herbert spencer huxley he's calling for mandatory there's a there's a quote here i have of tesla giving to hitler's official spokesman for in washington dc george sylvester viraik who is his best friend he writes poetry to hitler's official spokesman george sylvester rake who they're best friends for like 20 fucking years and tesla is giving interviews for this guy he's a mainstream uh journalist as well the this rake guy talking about his belief in mandatory

01:08:43 - 01:09:05 | Speaker 2:

eugenics for the world uh yeah this is published man it makes sense because they want a scientific hierarchy over everybody right that rules he's not a scientist that's the thing yeah but they believe themselves to be like scientific thinkers right i mean yeah tesla did he believe himself to be an inventor scientist type i think he was so mystically inclined that he was being driven by

01:09:05 - 01:10:00 | Speaker 4:

the higher spirits he thought of himself as a human automaton he and he he actually there's quotes that i have not of only of him uh he describes his mission is to prove to the world that that the soul is a chimera the soul doesn't exist and that he says that we are just the product of external forces that that causality for why wars happen cannot be understood by going to the mind that's an illusion it's all caused by the sun and forces of nature and should you should just stop there and be satisfied with those kinds of materialistic explanations he so i think he really does believe himself to be um a magical robot and uh this is tesla for everybody's for nicole tesla yeah and i think he's because of his psychological profile he's very similar to the psych profile of an isaac newton who also is like this hyper kind of asperger's sort of character who was mystically inclined, very Kabbalistic, thought he was the Messiah. He thought he was like...

01:10:00 - 01:11:13 | Speaker 1:

literally of a higher ascended being. And I don't think those types of personalities who are messianic in their complex are very easy to handle and to manage. And because they think that they're great. They think that they're awesome and they don't see how like Uri Geller is another personality type like this in my mind. He's a joke. When you listen to him speak, you like you said, you seen the spoon bending fan club, right? Or the spoon bending, the spoon institute that went to interview him on YouTube. People could watch this interview and he actually believes that there's a spoon institute he believes that that exists and this guy is a is a comedian who basically goes and starts interviewing uri geller who clearly thinks he's freaking awesome he thinks that he got these mystical powers from from ets that gave him these powers to bend he knows that he's doing magic tricks he can't do his spoon bending if he doesn't control his spoons like johnny carson brought all johnny carson on live tv brought his own spoons and his own cups onto the live performance that Uri Geller didn't know was going to happen. He thought it was going to be his spoons and his cups. He couldn't do any magic. And so he knows he's lying. It's a different species of lying, right? Because they're conduits from an ascended set of gods.

01:11:14 - 01:11:59 | Speaker 2:

He was just on Joe Rogan, and Joe Rogan was doing the thing with the spoon, and he was able to eventually bend it. He's like, I could do it, but I had to take a lot of force. He's like, yeah, no, I barely touched it when I did it. you know and just doing this kind of weird thing where it was like dude are we serious right now two grown men are here bending spoons trying to act like there's some kind of divine this is crazy we ventured this like mate full on this is the matrix here yeah i mean and this is recent joe rogan had had this guy on his show recently he had he had i didn't know his name off memory but yeah spoon bender guy i mean the guy was on there he brought the spoon that he bended whenever he was in or bent whenever he was in um you know whatever school he was in and he brought it with him he said this is the exact spoon and everything dude it's like cultural mush dark age stuff okay

01:11:59 - 01:12:57 | Speaker 1:

so yeah that so that's the thing right in my book i've got like nine chapters specifically going through different angles of uh different aspects of tesla um and that's not to say that that the legitimate inventions associated with tesla are not legitimate inventions my position though is after all of the evidence i've seen including uh a multitude of data points of specific inventions that i know and can prove were discovered by other people including the tesla coil um he don't his discoveries are legit discoveries as far as they they were made by objective human beings and turn and turn into inventions that were objectively made and are useful but they were they were stolen from actual the same way the the scientific discoveries associated with isaac newton are legit discoveries but they were discovered by people who were not isaac newton they were lifted stolen and and copied and then associated with this guy with this whole story that you know apples have to fall on the head for you know gravity to be discovered

01:12:57 - 01:13:11 | Speaker 2:

well that's the idea of like marx right marx was put up and and he didn't even write his manifesto you know and same thing with darwin like there's theories that darwin didn't come up with a lot of things he said he just was these front men that they get chosen to be

01:13:11 - 01:14:46 | Speaker 1:

what is exactly what is useful in darwin's system just like what's useful in marx's system because there are mechanical useful things within their systems of descapital and within origin of species that that do emulate things that we empirically find and that you could you could take you could make useful bits of progress but those elements you will find invariably actually are stolen from real scientists and then packaged into a new highly problematic model of either marxist like If Marx is studying American system economists like Henry C. Kerry, who's corresponding with Marx, Marx is reading Kerry, he's reading List. These are real, actual, moral, solid revolutionary economists who are who are harmonizing the liberty of the individual that is that is primary to the welfare of the whole society. that you could also think of as sort of an objective thing that has cycles, that has needs of increasing powers of production, right? Not decreasing it for the whole society as an almost like an, you can, it's a useful way to think about humanity as a whole that has certain objective needs. You got to increase water access. You got to increase food production. You got to increase new technologies to overcome limits to growth as an objective whole, but do it in such a way that it's not dictatorial, that you don't just have a scientific dictatorship managing levers, but that actually it allows for the faith that the individual given liberty can actually and you know uh harmonize both have individual incentives met as an entrepreneur while at the same time not hurting humanity at the same time right monopolizing resources what a crazy thought

01:14:46 - 01:15:00 | Speaker 2:

yeah you know like yeah monopolizing water or oil so you know one thing i want to mention that uh tesla was given the technology yeah but they always do steal technology notice how with tesla They said that he

01:15:00 - 01:15:11 | Speaker 1:

his technology was stolen. So it's almost like, you know, with their guys, they'll do this weird inversion where they're like, no, they, he actually had his stuff stolen because everybody, no. Yeah. Everyone likes the underdog. Interesting.

01:15:12 - 01:15:26 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's right. And it's like, they've created such a, a mythos around the guy that again, it's more like a religion. It's, it is, it's become more religious for people now. And there's Tesla 2.0 with Elon Musk. Who's the same. Exactly.

01:15:27 - 01:15:51 | Speaker 1:

Now that you've explained Tesla better, I didn't know all that about him, which I should have assumed that there was some of these aspects. But hearing this, I'm not surprised at all. And when you look at Elon, it makes so much more sense why he would give that homage to Tesla because he is in that ideology entrenched. So how does this connect with the Valerian brothers and then into Silicon Valley, the theosophical? We'll get back to the theosophical connection there.

01:15:51 - 01:16:25 | Speaker 2:

Okay. So the Valerian brothers themselves are theosophists. they believe self-consciously that they are manifesting um in the material domain the conditions around which the new race will be able to evolve as blabatsy called for this i think it was the sixth race she said was gonna come out of the fifth i think we're at the end point of the fifth right and now we're gonna go into the the sixth so they were sort of the first um yeah it's they create a tech firm um i haven't looked at this stuff in a while so we'll circle back to

01:16:25 - 01:16:30 | Speaker 1:

this some of this is in my book um but theosophy entered silicon valley through the valerian

01:16:30 - 01:17:21 | Speaker 2:

brothers and then yeah how did that evolve it started later on by even before world war ii uh even began you had already stanford uh the stanford university was playing a big role in providing cover the bankroll a lot of this research um the military was contracting this institution for even before world war ii began but especially world war ii became a big part where this thing got embedded within the military industrial sector um there's books back there i if i could yeah yeah whatever you flow with you're straight uh because it's so important that i don't want to overly generalize but right let's let's overly generalize for the moment and uh and just keep it i guess broad enough because well we have jack parsons too of course jack parsons

01:17:21 - 01:17:31 | Speaker 1:

connection with silicon valley is is pretty clear as well right i mean when you look at jack parsons he was the clearer occultist crowley follower so there's a little bit of that also

01:17:31 - 01:20:29 | Speaker 2:

right that adds into silicon valley there's there's that there's the ot because look crowley is also fighting for the title of the world teacher against judo christian morti he's like and that's where you know in the 20s christian morty hasn't yet broken away from what he's supposed to be the matreya you know this poor kid who's been like you know groomed by uh the pedophile lead beater for a while and and um he hasn't broken free yet but he's he's he's still got a big cult following he's the heralded world teacher and this is i think he only breaks away in 1928 but in 1925 crowley is like no it's me i'm the world teacher and he has a whole network of his uh he was abused he was abused as a kid crowley crowley was probably abused yeah i mean his his dad after his dad died i think his uncle who played a big role um like he was born into the plymouth brethren the the darby exclusive the exclusive plymouth brethren it's the most radical uh sect of the plymouth brethren that that exists that darby created the founder of of rapture theology it was darby uh pre-millennialist dispensationalism that's darby he created the exclusive brethren cult that crowley was born into and crowley even said in his confessions that he always remained loyal to the worldview of darby he just said i took the devil side um but as far as like the entire reading of so he believes in the invalid wow he believes in evangelical ideologies but takes the devil's side yeah yeah like like how darby reads the book of revelation is how crowley also reads it he's just like we have to accelerate it towards where darby's like we have to accelerate it so that the messiah comes back which i don't think i think darby was probably always a satanist in his true heart uh crowley's just more open about the fact that no we have to accelerate it you know so that we can get the devil to come back and um and so he just creates his left hand path choice early on but i think his uncle who plays a big role in raising him getting him his in with the cambridge university um is probably molesting him i'd say he's got all of the psych profile even when he's you know 12 11 12 years old murdering cats you know somebody who's highly abused um wow yeah okay i didn't know that about him but i'm not surprised at all yeah and then you know he's already like a teenager he's being brought in by lord gascoin cecil um who's like a lead a leading figure he's a former prime minister of england who sees his talent and then introduces him to the hermetic order the golden dawn but also brings him into what appears to be the Primrose Society. appears to be this guy um step into the world of power loyalty and luck i'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse with family cannolis and spins mean everything now you want to get mixed up in the family business introducing the godfather at chumpacasino.com test your luck in the shadowy world of the godfather slot someday i will call upon you to do a service for me play the godfather Now at chumbacasino.com. Welcome to the family. No purchase necessary.

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secret agent 666 did a great exposition on this part of the story where there's the primrose society as a as a stewart uh restorationist movement those who believe that the stewart bloodline should be brought back the jack they're called the the the jacobites so it's a jacobite secret society that is calling for the restoration of the Stuart bloodline. And so he's brought into that. It's a secret society. He's brought into espionage circles at the same time as he's made a member of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. But the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn is overlapping with the esoteric section of theosophy from the very beginning, from the ISIS-Urania Lodge that is set up in 1887. All of the founding members are all working with Blavatsky's esoteric section. And they're all followers of Bulwer-Lytton. They're all followers of bull relations uh rosicrucian society in anglia that was set up in 1867 that has penetrations into an amer into the united states that people like colonel alcott uh who's co-founding who becomes a co-founding member of the office in 1875 he's directly a part of this thing and he's part of the the three man he selected of all people to be selected to be the sort of war commission leader of 1865 over to oversee the lone gunman theory of the murderer of lincoln

01:22:18 - 01:22:24 | Speaker 5:

okay okay so lincoln lincoln's war and commission yeah yeah lincoln's war and commission of 1865

01:22:24 - 01:23:07 | Speaker 4:

um so and he's like of course so lone gunman he's kind of like doing the the allen dulles thing you know nothing else to see here and then he's brought in at the same time to the rose crucian operation he's set up to meet with blavatsky in 1875 they set this thing up but they're all talking about ascended masters guiding us yeah guiding human evolution towards this this new super being thing that's going to decide who gets erased who who's not allowed to evolve or who's not not fit to involve evolve and who will be and basically if you're part of their inner club you get to be part of their like madonna said in her creepy you know grammy or whatever emmy uh performance you get to you get to survive and otherwise you don't um if i may say madonna is

01:23:07 - 01:24:11 | Speaker 5:

a cabalist and um which proven by the way in epstein files i mean they literally talk about in the epstein files about uh i forgot uh betty singer whoever the margaret singer whoever the lady is that's like the the gatekeeper for hollywood she talked about madonna and how she didn't like her but now that she's like a good goyim that studies the kabbalah she has taken a liking to her but yeah but to your point about alice bailey uh or about that alice bailey says in her externalization of the hierarchy that because we have a everlasting part of ourselves right and reincarnated soul that goes on forever um you know she says you may say it's unfair that a lot of people are going to die she says many are called fewer chosen many will be called but the second initiation is only for certain people like you're saying and she says uh may i remind you that this is not your soul's one life and that you're gonna ascend throughout your death so when we kill you you're gonna ascend your soul will ascend either way so you should actually thank us for killing you uh so the way the way that they look at this is completely crazy so

01:24:11 - 01:25:00 | Speaker 4:

just wanted to add that to what you were saying there yeah no it's it's really it's so disgusting and like yeah all from that standpoint all abuse that happens to to children is actually a gift because you're giving them the necessary lessons that their previous lives demanded that they learn now as they're being you know abused in epstein island or whatever wow that everything's happening to the continent of africa all the children who have to die for 15 000 children die every day of starvation in africa to this very day all of that is just a beautiful gift ultimately uh for their soul to learn lessons because they must have been bad in previous lifetimes and now they're just learning the lessons they'll need as they reincarnate in you know a thousand years or something and they'll be better people for it isn't that crazy hey yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna abuse you or kill you but it's your fault so whatever you did in your past

01:25:00 - 01:25:40 | Speaker 2:

life that i'm doing this to you for you know what i mean that's a that's a wild way to uh gaslight somebody into uh stockholm syndrome um so great correlation into i think we did discover that correlation of how it did get into silicon valley i mean you've got of course this mixture of like alistair crawley comes from theosophy golden dawn it mixes with parsons scientology the intelligence community and of course the silicon valley um so let's put a button on it what else how else did it kind of infiltrate into silicon valley as it kind of evolves to today how do you see theosophical ideologies permeating uh narratives out of silicon valley well i think

01:25:40 - 01:26:33 | Speaker 1:

that the way i look at is like the cultural driving force of silicon valley really became um it really became esalen so esalen esalen by the early 60s became the the cultural sort of nerve center of these Mithraic high priests that were embedded within, through the teachings of Aldous Huxley, you know, Michael Murphy and Pat Price. Also, Pat Price was, Michael Murphy was also in a, I think we talked about this last time, right, an Aurobindo ashram for several years being trained by the mother, Mira Harifazi, who's a Kali high priestess. And people like Jeffrey Kripal, who's today the official biographer of Esalen talks about how he himself is also an initiate into a Kali Kali worship and Kali initiatory practices. The Kali, you know, the, the crazy image that we find of the Kali deity, Kali Yuga, Kali. Yep.

01:26:33 - 01:27:01 | Speaker 2:

The severed heads and the, if I may say, while you're on this, the CEO of Anthropic just went on Joe Rogan and talked about the old Hindu gods having nukes and, essentially the Kali Yuga for about an hour until he went into talking about how AI is going to take over for the next two hours. So he talks about exactly what you're saying. You see this ideology in Silicon Valley with the CEO of perplexity, right? So there we go. It is there.

01:27:01 - 01:28:49 | Speaker 1:

It is in the, in the, again, the disastrous train wreck that is modern quantum mechanics, which is not a science. It's, it's an alchemical, it's a, it's, it's, it's an alchemical ritual masquerading as science that grew out of the the 1928 Solvay conference on science where all of the people who discovered made real discoveries like Einstein and Max Planck and Madame Curie and all of the Louis de Broglie they were all iced out they were the ones who made the discoveries of the quantum realm they were all iced out because they believed in causality they had a method of thinking that we're not allowed to that's that's forbidden and then only the mathematical probability theorists around the Copenhagen School of Niels Bohr were permitted to be the ones to control the models of acceptable scientific methodology that were then given Rockefeller funded grants and things like that, that were then turned into things like CERN, right? So they were building decades of energy intensity, very expensive machinery around tokamaks and particle accelerators modeled on a, um, an incompetent notion of what is the atom? What is science based upon very kinetic ideas of, of making things, making particles like hit each other so that you could like just measure the trajectory of the shrapnel pretty much to come up with new theories like Higgs bosons and subparticles. All of the shit is, are all theoretical too. Yeah, and they have the big Kali statue in their real heart of hearts. And Shiva and Kali have strange overlaps as well. Oh yeah, yeah, they're the same. Shaky Shiva, I think, yeah. And the Shaky version is just the male, female uh shaki shiva version of the same sort of uh unification of opposites of of sexualized opposites of genders but um and there's more to it i know people who are into this stuff are probably yeah yeah by what we're saying what i just how i just bastardized it but no man i mean

01:28:49 - 01:28:58 | Speaker 2:

i i don't think it's much of a bastardization you can split hairs and go into semantics and say how they're different for this or that but at the end of the day they are very similar

01:28:58 - 01:29:59 | Speaker 1:

entities and they think so in i think the inner sanctum not not most of the scientists probably have no clue they're just like materialist standard model brainwashed human automatons working on uh on cern but in the inner sanctum like the uh the openheimer level crowd that's actually organizing this thing they are obsessed with opening up a portal uh to channel archons to bring in the archons to bring in whatever the demons are to invoke like this uh so that's what the new horizon right they want it they want the event horizon of sam harris died died this morning by the way um what yeah sam harris yeah no way the c the ai's ceo no sam harris oh no sam um did i say sam harris not the event no the the actor who played jurassic park and event horizon sam not harris what's his name sam uh blind jurassic park yeah i forgot his name but yeah he's the og jurassic park guy right yeah yeah yeah his name is uh sam neil sorry sam neil okay All right, peace.

01:30:00 - 01:30:15 | Speaker 3:

Sam Neill, man. RIP Sam Neill. We won't even mention Lindsey Graham's name on here. I got nothing to say about him. I've never been happy about anybody dying, but I did get a little smile on my face for that one. But anyway, yeah, that's crazy. He's got a little bit fuller. Yeah. RIP.

01:30:15 - 01:30:46 | Speaker 4:

RIP. Yeah. Well, yeah. So all that to say, that's what they think. They think that they're invoking, they're participating in either the end of the Kali Yuga age now to transition now to this cataclysm that's necessary for the new cycle to begin uh after everything because in the Kali Yuga sort of philosophy everything is decay everything is entropic everything of that is it's very much in alignment with the the the traditional school that presumes that all modernism all all scientific improvement is actually decay is all worse and bring us to

01:30:46 - 01:31:18 | Speaker 3:

this maximum singularity oh I see the connection there now why Bannon and all them that makes a lot of sense and that's why they just keep hammering on this like hindu uh kali yuga concept but also it's coming from guys who are trying to open portals and connect with these uh said archons and things like that so it's a very clear correlation uh with the narrative man i think that we did cover a lot of the connections here i mean is and what else you got i think i can see the picture hopefully everybody else can that i think it's there hopefully when people think about

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No purchase necessary. VGW Group Ford were prohibited by law. 21 plus. Terms and conditions apply. The whole Stargate thing was overseen by followers of a guy who was doing a Babylon ritual with Jack Parsons in 1946 to try to invoke the Antichrist. That guy who created the entire Scientology movement was doing Babylon working rituals. I think he was playing the role of the scryer, the Ed Kelly to the John Dee of Jack Parsons, doing sex magic and probably other things to invoke the Antichrist.

01:32:58 - 01:33:39 | Speaker 3:

three months after you have trump born right on a blood moon eclipse which is weird and nine months later nine months later you had michael aquino born which is odd too so it's like you got two of these guys who are like chaos magician mind war guys that are helping accelerate this coming of the uh matreya or whatever you want to call it right this world teacher that's going to come and initiate the world into this new one world religion yeah government whatever yeah and yeah isn't it interesting they're both connected in a weird way uh both with three and nine to this uh babylon workings that's uncomfortable yeah it's uncomfortable yeah i mean not to make excuses

01:33:39 - 01:33:50 | Speaker 4:

out of it but it's just like yeah it's like what the fuck for me it's up there with like trump offering his uh you know the devil's advocate movie with uh al pacino and uh uh yeah uh what's

01:33:50 - 01:33:55 | Speaker 3:

his name the uh christian bale is where no no no no no no keanu reeves keanu reeves yeah yeah

01:33:55 - 01:34:40 | Speaker 4:

where he's the lawyer he's the lawyer right yeah he's the lawyer i can't believe i thought that was christian bale yeah keanu reeves literally the son of the devil of al pacino's the devil he's the son of who's being recruited to be a part of a new babylon working where he's expected to have sex with his sister to invoke the antichrist i gotta watch that again yeah and it's been too long that's exactly it the scene that takes place there's there's literally a trump character who's a billionaire real estate magnate of new york who who does this brutal murder on a kid and two women and he has to be defended he clearly did it yeah but he has to be defended by kiana reeves who's selling his soul and and the the location where this is being filmed is trump's gilded apartment in on fifth avenue yeah it's like a beautiful loft like i remember this yeah you know because

01:34:40 - 01:34:59 | Speaker 3:

they were in like a huge loft yeah it's this greco-roman apollonian yeah dude holy shit and you know his grandma and his dad's middle name was christ yes come on like you can't i mean there's so much there back to the future with the biff guy i mean there's so much there uh with tesla

01:35:00 - 01:35:27 | Speaker 2:

the JPL get JPL where Jack Parsons work getting Tesla's equipment from Trump's uncle it's like how many connections can you have here you know don't even talk about the airship from the 1800s don't even talk about you know all these different other connections that predate him even being born that seem to talk about it the airship thing just have been a blimp or something what had Trump on it you know where it said 47 on the same it's artistic in the 19th century there's an artistic

01:35:27 - 01:35:33 | Speaker 1:

painting of the of the airship of an airship which is like oh or like yeah it's like it's a

01:35:33 - 01:35:54 | Speaker 2:

it's a airship but yeah it's a it's a renaissance style airship let me pull it up okay and it says trump 47 on it oh yeah dude that's not ai that's like legit no like as far as i know it's legit uh let me it's even got like this artist name and everything i forgot his name i will i want to look into that oh yeah because then you got the the weird thing you're right because there's a lot

01:35:54 - 01:36:12 | Speaker 1:

is narrative serving you you good good good instinct yeah my i always go to but i mean shit's crazy man like i'm prepared to uh maybe so you have arrow trump arrow trump yeah and then

01:36:12 - 01:37:40 | Speaker 2:

you have on this one trump and there was another one that had 47 there's 45 here what are these things and he's 45th and 47th president so you got 45 so these are like old renditions of airships let me see if i can find better yeah like who did that um what is this guy's name dude somebody in the chat might know this guy's name he's got like a french name let me go to daily here we go we'll go view this page it's an article about it trump's airship appearing in a hundred year old sketchbook oh wait I gotta share this screen oh yeah yeah it's I haven't looked too deep into it but I do as far as I've seen this is like a legit artist who legitimately made this 100 years ago okay so Charles Delachau that was his name Charles Delachau a Prussian immigrant who came to the US in 1850 died in 1923 mysteriously contained the word Trump and even featured 47 the number of the president and in 45 was in there too i showed you that yeah uh they go instantly into ingressol lockwood's book about baron trump they don't even really delve into this painter so you might have something there with that instinctual question you asked because let's look up this charles dell's show i mean i wonder if they just stuck it on him and said you know i wonder yeah you gotta it's always it's always you gotta be very

01:37:40 - 01:37:57 | Speaker 1:

careful when we're living in the magic trick like the magic trick those who control the levers of mainstream media and have for quite some time um so it's it is they're participating in the magic trick so but not to discard things that sound crazy just because they sound crazy because they

01:37:57 - 01:38:26 | Speaker 2:

might actually be here we go you know what dude i think you're on to something look at this little is known about charl del shaw's life i want to know what del shaw means what does that word mean because i you know a lot of times though especially with people that are huh might be a joke right because especially people's names that are faked or put into stories like this they'll use a name where if you look into it you're like oh the name means this and it's like perfectly aligned or whatever all right let's primary sources are scarce it says so yeah i

01:38:26 - 01:38:36 | Speaker 1:

don't know man maybe it's interesting all right well not to be ignored i'm gonna definitely look of this today uh yeah give me something more to add to my my spooky book yeah hit me up by whatever

01:38:36 - 01:39:05 | Speaker 2:

you find there and uh let everybody know where they can find you find your books uh great wealth of information you have i need to get some signed copies of books from you bro because i really do think you're one of the best and not to glaze you but you're one of the probably top thinkers i've ever seen like in our current age talking and i know man because i hear a lot of people act like they know some shit and talk a lot like bigger you know big platforms the whole deal wealth of knowledge right here for sure so yeah thank you very much no that's thanks man um no this is fun

01:39:05 - 01:39:59 | Speaker 1:

dude and just like having good conversation with somebody who knows their shit is just such a pleasure it's such an enjoyable part of my day um and i'm looking forward to here to reading your your book i guess you're gonna put it out in installments so send them my way as well i'd love to to give you feedback and talk about plato's republic and plato more generally as much as you'd like it's a absolutely big passion for me look forward to um so yeah thank you and for anybody who wants to pick up the books um yeah rose crucian golem the i'll show them what this is what to look for it's edgar poe's final mystery is volume three and other tales of ratiocination there with alistair crowley looking at you creepily over sybil's cave which is a location of one of poe's lesser known but important stories that take you into the tapestry of something very evil very ancient that ran the witch covens that had penetrated into the colonies and that Edgar Allan Poe was doing battle with before they killed him um so there's that and then again people saw already the cover for volume

01:40:00 - 01:41:16 | Speaker 2:

There's also the Clash of the Two Americas book series going through the Venetian origins of the British Empire and America's deep state. So how did the Venetian, Anglo-Venetian system penetrate into and create this deep state apparatus for like the last 300 years inside of the United States and Canada? All of that stuff. And the last thing I'll just say, too, is there's a book called that I did a few years back called Science and Shackles. uh restoring causality in a world of chaos so for people who like this discussion around the how darwin was concocted sorry not darwin yeah darwin actually have a chapter on darwin uh but how isaac newton was an artificial creation how science really evolved in a in a healthy way and that was co-opted and destroyed by these royal society freaks and neoplatonists uh this book goes through a lot of that story there so uh yeah there's all those books are on canadian patriot.org um that's that's my main like website but it's not just canadian don't let the name fool you all of our documentaries are on there too my wife's books and her work is also uh easy to find on that website and and lastly i have my sub stack so i put up things every day on sub stack you can check that uh match eric.substack.com yeah i'll be following that up i didn't know that

01:41:16 - 01:41:58 | Speaker 3:

uh or maybe i did from last time but i totally forgot i'll be following that for sure i just kind of launched a little sub stack too just for a little just a little practice in writing but yeah awesome thank you so much and i'll be actually live for anybody that's still here any late joiners that are like oh man you guys are done already i'll be live in 15 minutes we'll be getting into anthropics ai god cult if anybody wants to check that out we're gonna be deep diving into terrence mckenna esalen institute and how it all kind of connects it's really a continuation of this connection uh conversation and how it all connects into the silicon valley uh so theosophy Theosophical Technocracy continued in about 20 minutes. Thank you very much, Matt. I'll be watching that. All right. Hell yeah, dude. I look forward to it. Thank you, guys. Bye. See you later.

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