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Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bone Show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio Music Festival, and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there.

How did Ashes come together, Diplo? I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You were about to jump in your tour bus, and we had like three hours.

It was really cool. He literally just like randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you, and I was like, okay.

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Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer, you know. Yes, he's just straight evil. I was always scared. It's like my biggest fear was being him.

Jeremy Scott was a shadow in Justin's life Always there, but only mentioned in hushed tones Growing up, he'd hear stray comments about Jeremy But the details were always vague A hazy mix of fact and fiction

There's like different stories, like killing two people in one time I was under the impression from all the information I gathered That he's killed at least 12 people

Justin also heard bits and pieces about a true story. The story of the one murder his dad did get convicted of.

Killing this one guy because he was gay. He said that, you know, the dude tried to touch him, but apparently the dude didn't touch him. He just wanted to rob him for money.

Now Justin wanted to know everything about who his dad was and what he'd done, as long as it was finally the truth.

If you really want to make amends, just, you know, come clean and just open, open yourself to yourself.

There are some things, Justin, I can tell you about this murder. Hey, Shane. Hey, buddy. How are you, sir? This looks different. I can tell you about the evidence Kelsey and I saw at the Polk County Courthouse. Same as last time. Don't touch anything. Take some pictures. Correct. Yeah. That we saw the blood-spattered shirt your dad was wearing the day he was arrested. Spud McKenzie's t-shirt or something? Yeah.

Okay.

That the weapon was a bottle. Sparkling white grape juice, that's what it is.

Okay.

The confessions exist on two black cassette tapes.

Testing, testing. One, two, three, four, five, five, four, three, two, one.

I can tell you what's in them, and I will. But there are other parts of the story. Parts I could never have known if your mom hadn't chosen to share her side of things. She's the one who can tell you about your dad's final moments of freedom. Because your mom was there, Justin. And in a way, so were you.

Laughter hides my fears Sorrow's depths are endless In this valley of tears I wanna see your revelation I wanna know who you are I'm reaching out in desperation To the one who's holding the stars To the one who's holding the stars

Bone Valley Season 2, Jeremy, Chapter 2, Destroyer.

I remember him calling and saying that him and Brian were coming. and they were going to pick me up.

Jamie thought she was done with Jeremy. He broke up with her after finding out she was pregnant. But the morning after Halloween, Jeremy shows up in a Chevy Beretta. Brian's in the front seat.

I knew Brian from high school. He was always kind of a quiet guy. One of the potheads. You know, he's hung out with the potheads that smoked out under the oak tree. When I saw him in that car, he didn't even look like the same person. His face was all broke out. It was really pale. I remember getting in the back seat, and we left.

Jamie turns to Jeremy.

Where'd you get the car? And he said, oh, it's Donald's car. Now, I remember him mentioning Donald before. Donald, I think, was the guy that he owned trailers or ran a trailer park or something, and Jeremy would do side jobs for them.

Here's what I learned from police files and trial testimony. Jeremy met 37-year-old Donald Moorhead that fall at a gay bar called Fantasy 2000. Don gives him some weed, asks if he wants to make some money, and Jeremy begins doing handiwork at his trailer. Sometimes, Don would let Jeremy stay overnight if he had no place to go. Don's friends later testified that Don was paying Jeremy for sex. Jeremy denied this.

And it was weird. He said, Don, let me borrow his car. And I remember thinking, why would Don let you borrow his car? He knows you don't have a driver's license. You've never had one.

Jeremy circles the block a few times. From the back seat, Jamie notices both boys are jumpy and nervous. Jeremy looks like he's starting to cry.

He had spots on his pants. He was wearing this white and blue shirt and these jeans, and they had kind of like ragged places, not really holes, but like real thin ragged places, and there were spots all over it. And I remember thinking he just bought that shirt not too long ago because it was the shirt he got with the money they gave him when he got out of prison. He got it from the dollar store, but it had spots on it.

The spots are dark and red.

And I think my brain registered what it was.

Jeremy tells her something really bad happened and that he and Brian have to leave town they let Jamie out of the car and they drive off Jamie is terrified she runs inside and calls her friend Jennifer

I remember her calling me and she was upset she was crying and I thought maybe they had a fight whatever but she was telling me that she was worried about jeremy something had something bad had happened jeremy had told her he'd gotten into a fight with some guy and the story was that the guy was gay and made a pass at him and he had grabbed a a bottle and he hit him with it didn't know if he knocked him out or what happened and they got out of there so she's telling me he's telling her all of that and she kept saying i think there's more i think there's more. There's more to it. And she sounded scared to me. And I remember telling her, whatever you do, if he shows up, don't leave with him. Don't go anywhere. I made a promise. I swear to me, you're not going to do anything stupid. You're not going to go anywhere, basically trying to talk her into staying put. Later that night, Jeremy calls again. He says he wants her to lay

low with him for a few days, then make a run for Texas and a fresh start. He's coming back to get

her. I remember going out back to smoke a cigarette and just thinking. And it was almost like I was trying to think of a way to get out of it that couldn't find a way to get out of it. But I can remember smoking a cigarette and hearing the car pull up and my heart just dropping.

And I remember walking around the side of the house, and I figured he'd be sitting in the car. Well, he was already at the front door. And my grandmother was at the front door. Well, he had told my grandmother, I'm here to pick up Jamie. So, you know, he already told her I was leaving. So she's like, oh, okay, we'll come back to your stuff. You didn't tell me you were going.

Jamie takes another look at Jeremy. He's still wearing the bloodstained clothes he had on earlier that morning.

I knew I wasn't coming back

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So how did Ashes come together Diplo? Well I kind of briefly met bailey i think at morgan's show one of them and i think he's just a guy in nashville he's cool as hell and uh i had a new kind of sound i wanted to do and i think he's the one guy that could carry it and i came to his house i had a show i pulled up real quick he's about to leave on tour you're about to jump in your tour bus and we had like three hours play the record for him we kind of like got a scratch and then he handled it on his own on the road yeah it was really cool he really

just like randomly showed up to my house i'm like oh hey diplo what are you doing he's like i have a song did i want to show you and i was like okay and then now we're here playing it live you can

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and so people would ask me well why you knew he showed up at your house in this guy's car and he had blood on his pants why did you get in the car with him I was not telling him no you don't understand and people just don't understand I wasn't telling him no Jeremy and Jamie set off

in Don's Chevy Beretta. As they drive, Jeremy talks about his plan. He's got family about 30 miles away. They can hang out with them for a few days before hitting the road, maybe leave Polk County for good. An hour later, they arrive at a trailer in Davenport. Jeremy's younger brother, Royal Dean, is there with his teenage wife, Anna, and their baby.

The baby was walking, So she had to have been, you know, over a year. And I remember the baby being in a diaper and just dirty, just covered in dirt, and the house was dirty. And the baby was crying, and I wanted to get the baby something to eat. There was nothing, nothing. There was nothing in that kitchen, nothing. And I came out, and I said, there's nothing in this house. What are you going to give her to eat? And I remember Ann getting mad, talking about, don't worry about it, don't worry about it. She's already ate. She's fine. She's fine. And Jeremy told me to go to bed.

Back in Lakeland, Jennifer spent the whole night worrying about her friend.

I remember getting a, you know, took a shower. My hair was wet. I was combing my hair. And I walked out through the kitchen into the dining room, and on the dining room table was the newspaper, Lakeland Ledger. That was normal. And I went over and I grabbed it. I always like to read the comics, you know, so I grabbed it and bang, right on the front page, there's the story about someone found murdered. And the things that they were saying in the news article were, you know, pretty much lining up with some of the stuff that she had told me.

The headline in the Lakeland Ledger reads, need

numbers and investigators mystified by Lakeland man found dead in home. Below it, a photo shows a sheet-covered body being wheeled to a van. Jennifer skims the article, reading that the victim, Donald Moorhead, died from a head wound and that police believe his Chevy Beretta was stolen. Jennifer's thoughts jumped to Jamie's panicked call and to Jeremy Scott.

so i started freaking out like oh my god he killed this guy you know so i called her grandmother's house and she was gone they didn't know where she was she'd left with jeremy and at that point i kind of freaked out because i i'm reading this he's obviously murdered someone in my mind obviously murdered someone and now my friend is gone my pregnant friend is gone somewhere with him. I went and I found my mom, and I went to her crying. I had the paper in my hand and I took it to her and I told her what Jamie had told me, and I showed her the article.

That same morning across Polk County, Jamie wakes up in a trailer with Jeremy.

And I was starving. I was so hungry. Now mind you, I'm six months pregnant and the baby's still crying. That baby was always crying and I know she was hungry. You can just tell she was hungry and I remember coming out and the keys to that car sitting on this little table thing that was sitting by the door and I didn't care what they said I was going to get something to eat and I knew from sitting in the back seat that that center council thing had a bunch of change in it And I grabbed them keys, and Jeremy said, where are you going? I said, I'm going to get me and this baby something to eat. And I walked out the door. And I made it maybe a block, maybe two blocks, I'm not really sure. And all of a sudden, all these cops came flying from nowhere. and I can remember just sitting there petrified and thinking in the back of my head the first thought I thought was I knew it I knew it my gut knew when he picked me up I knew it I knew something was wrong and I remember putting my hands up and them all getting out and they all had their guns pointed at me and I can remember hollering out the window I'm pregnant please don't shoot please don't shoot I'm pregnant I'm pregnant And I'm just bawling and bawling. And they're like, where's Scott? Where's Jeremy Scott? Where's Jeremy Scott? I'm like, I'm alone. I'm alone. Don't shoot. Don't shoot. Please don't shoot. And I remember this one cop, and he came and he grabbed my arm, and he held it out the window, and then he opened the door, and I can remember him yanking me out and putting me across the hood. And all I kept thinking about was baby. And so I was grabbing my stomach, and so then they got really mad. And so they're grabbing my arms, and all I kept hollering was, I'm pregnant, I'm pregnant. And this one cop got down on my face, and he says, if you care about your baby, where's Jeremy Scott? And I said, I'll tell you where they're at. I'll tell you what they're wearing. Just let me get off my baby. And so he let me stand up. I said, they're that house. I told him the description of the house. This is what they're wearing. This is how many people are there. But I said, there's a baby in the house. And I remember this lady cop being there, and I can remember, I looked at her, and I was crying, and I said, please take some food for that baby. And she just looked at me, and she said, what? I said, please feed that baby. And the tear, and I mean, she started crying. They did put me in the back of the car, and they told me they were taking me to the station, and I said, okay. And when they shut that door, I could breathe.

It was like the whole time I couldn't breathe. Like I was underwater. And I think that's when it finally hit me that I was free, that I was finally going to get away. And they took me to the station and they were asking me everything. and I told them everything, everything I knew. And they were asking me about calling Jennifer, and then that's when I knew Jennifer had called the police.

I was scared, and I was upset for her, but I was also mad at her because she promised me that she wouldn't go with him. She promised me.

So Jennifer saved my life.

I'm telling you right now, I still...

firmly 100% believe if he had not been arrested, I'd be dead. It was getting more and more violent each time. And the look, when I first met him, he was intense. And you could just feel him. By the end, there was nothing. There was nothing in his eyes. And he would look at you and you It would just feel like ice water.

Hey, it's Bobby from The Bobby Bone Show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio Music Festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there. Check this out.

So, how did Ashes come together, Diplo? Well, I kind of briefly met Bailey, I think, at Morgan's show, one of them. And I think he's just a guy in Nashville. He's cool as hell, and I had a new kind of sound I wanted to do, and I think he's the one guy that can carry it. And I came to his house, I had a show, I pulled up real quick, he was about to leave on tour. You're about to jump in your tour bus, and we had like three hours, played the record for him, we kind of like got a scratch, and then he handled it on his own on the road.

Yeah, it was really cool. He really just like randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay. And then now we're here playing it live.

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When Jeremy and Brian are arrested, they eventually tell police everything.

That the murder happened the morning after Halloween night. that they were drinking and smoking in Don's trailer. Jeremy knows Don's got hundreds of dollars on him. He wants the cash and Don's car. And when he sees Don asleep in the recliner, Jeremy smashes him over the head with a bottle. When Don doesn't die fast enough, Jeremy wraps a telephone cord around his neck and watches Don take his final breath. From the tapes, it's clear the murder, like so many of Jeremy's violent acts, was completely senseless and not well thought out. He kills Don to give himself time to search for money he knew Don was hiding in the trailer. But the murder didn't bring him any closer to finding it.

Jeremy gave up looking for the cash

and left a fake note on Don's door to buy themselves time to get away. It reads, Friend was in trouble in Orlando. Went to help him. Be back in a few days. Don. That's when Jeremy drives over to Jamie's with blood on his clothes and brings her to the trailer in Davenport.

When police pull Jamie over in the Chevy, Jeremy hears a dog from the canine unit from inside the trailer. He sees the helicopter circling above. With nowhere to go, he and his younger brother, Royal Dean, take off into the woods. Dean's got a warrant out for his arrest. It's an unrelated charge, but he doesn't want to be thrown in jail either. They wade into a creek, hoping the water will mask their scent. but the helicopter stays fixed above them. They sit together on a log, and Jeremy finally tells Royal Dean what he did to Donald Moorhead. They're after me, not you, he says, watching the scene unfold through the trees. From where they sit, Jeremy sees the officers putting Jamie in the back of a cop car. And then, he does something that, for me, looking at it now, reveals what a complicated and conflicted person he is.

My brother said he was going to turn himself in, so that's what he did.

Jamie had nothing to do with this murder, and he doesn't want her or Royal Dean caught up in it.

He gave me enough time to get away, and he turned himself in.

What I know from police records is that Jeremy walks up the hill toward the waiting detectives. Are you looking for me, he asks. His voice is calm, almost resigned to his fate. He's been behind bars ever since. Somebody told Jamie that you were going to kill Jamie. What? Yeah.

I'll take my own life before I kill her. You know, that's the only girl I ever really loved.

And she was pregnant with Justin at the time.

Yeah, yeah.

On March 5th, 1989, while Jeremy is locked up in the Polk County Jail awaiting trial for Donald Moorhead's murder, Jamie checks into the hospital with her mom.

I was petrified. You know, you see movies about evil children, like Damien and stuff, and I'm not going to lie, I had those thoughts. I had those thoughts that what if this kid is just like his father? When Justin was born, the day he was born and the way he was born, I had a really rough labor. He was in stress. It was just, it was scary. And he ended up being in the hospital for like six weeks, and I couldn't hold him, and I couldn't touch him. And I would sit there, and I would look at him. And I remember telling my mom, this baby's not going to love me because I can't bond with him. I can't touch him. And I can remember him just looking at me and my mom saying, you see how he's looking at you? He knows who you are. And I just fell so in love with this baby. And I just knew. I just knew he was mine. I didn't care who his dad was. I didn't care how he came. That was my baby. That was my child.

By the time Jeremy's trial began, his son was six months old. This trial was not a whodunit. Both Jeremy and his co-defendant, Brian Hall, had already confessed to killing Donald Moorhead. Even though the jury recommended life in prison that Jeremy sentencing, prosecutor John Aguero convinced the judge to send him to the electric chair. So Jeremy was shipped off to death row at Rayford to wait for his execution date. And while he waited, he could not stop thinking about his son.

He would write, I mean, at first it was like almost every day. I would get a letter, get a letter, get a letter. And then I can remember him begging to meet Justin, begging to meet Justin. I wanted to meet Justin. And I wouldn't write him back. I wouldn't respond. And I kept thinking, if I don't answer him, he'll quit writing. He's gone. He's gone. Don't answer him. But he kept asking about Justin, and he wanted to meet Justin.

And I finally broke down and I thought, okay, I'm going to let him meet Justin one time.

Jamie drives north to Rayford to visit Jeremy. In the visitation area, death row inmates are separated from visitors by thick glass. When Jeremy's escorted in, he's wearing blue prison pants with an orange shirt reserved for death row inmates. Jamie is seated on one side of the glass Jeremy sits down on the other side

I let him see him for it was like five minutes it wasn't very long

Jeremy can't take his eyes off of Justin

and I remember him starting crying and I told him this is the only time you'll ever see your son I think me being able to finally tell him no without the fear was what I needed. And I remember leaving and the relief that I felt and knowing that I'd never have to see him again. And it was just so much relief, so much relief. And I can remember going out and sitting in the car And I know I sat there for probably an hour, and I just cried. And a part of me felt guilty because Justin was going to grow up without a dad. But I wouldn't want him growing up with that dad. And the letter stopped not long after that. They got less and less, and it wasn't much longer after that that he finally just gave up. and stopped rioting.

Jamie tries to move on, to forget. But every time there's a change in Jeremy's status, the DOC notifies her. Like a few years later, when the Florida Supreme Court overturns Jeremy's death sentence, citing all the physical and emotional abuse he suffered as a child. She's told that his sentence has been reduced to life in prison. When she gets these calls about Jeremy, she has to start forgetting all over again.

I used to have some of his clothes and stuff that I held on to for a long time. I got rid of all of that. To try to get rid of demons and it didn't work. Yeah, I had a really rough time with nightmares and stuff for a long time. And that didn't help. It didn't help.

But then, she also has this little baby. And as he grows up, it becomes even harder to forget.

From the day he was born, he looked just like Jeremy. Looked just like him. Especially when he reached those teenage years. And when he first sprouted up, and when that voice changed, and he started getting the little scruffy hairs, and, oh, God, my heart would just clench. You know, it would just clench. And see, Justin doesn't have the dark hair. He's got the blonde hair, so he would look like Jeremy when I first met him sometimes, the way he walks. He's got Jeremy's walk. He walks like Jeremy. And those blue eyes and, you know, the Jeremy I first met. and it would make my heart hurt.

But she doesn't talk about it, doesn't share the hurt she feels, not with her son as he gets older or with anyone else.

As I'm getting older, one thing I'm realizing, humans are very fragile. They're very emotional creatures, all of us. I'm a human too, I promise.

I fly down to Florida to visit Justin about a month after our first phone call. First thing I notice is how much he resembles a younger version of his father. I've seen Jeremy's mug shots and the photos taken during his prison transfers when he was around the same age as Justin. Both father and son have the piercing blue eyes Jamie talked about. Justin isn't as tall as Jeremy, but he shares the same thin build. Even their voices have a similar tone and cadence. the other thing that stands out about Justin is his nature he's a real people pleaser thoughtful sensitive he tells me that for as long as he can remember he's yearned for a strong and stable family

I did have Sometimes when I would see families and I would, you know, cry in my head type thing because I would always want a father, and that goes for a mother too. Like, I wanted a happy mother type thing.

There were years when Jamie couldn't care for her son. Justin spent time living with his grandmother and then an aunt while his mom fought to push away her painful past.

I never talked to anybody about any of this. I bottled all that up and put it away. Well, the way to keep it put away was to do drugs and to drink and get in these bad relationships, and it was just recycling and recycling.

Even as she tried to avoid talking about Jeremy at all costs, he had a way of resurfacing in her life. Like how, in 2005, Jamie got an unexpected knock on her door.

When those detectives showed up, it was like somebody just took a bandage and just tore it off and everything just came out. They just said, we need to talk to you about Jeremy Scott.

Investigators had just learned that Jeremy Scott's fingerprints were identified inside the car Michelle Schofield was driving the night she was killed.

And as soon as they said that, I hit the floor. And I just started crying. And I said, how did he get out? Because that's been my biggest fear. He's going to get out, he's going to find me, and he's going to kill me. And they were like, oh, no, no, no, he didn't get out. We just need to talk to you. And for him to still have that hold on me, 16 years later, I thought I was over that. I don't even remember most of that interview. I'm going to be real with you. I don't remember a lot of it. And when I left that interview, and I'm just going to be honest, I went on a three-week binger and pretty much disappeared.

Justin learned not to ask too many questions about his dad.

The only time anything was mentioned, It was either when I was in an argument, you don't need to be like your father, you don't blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Anytime they ever talked about him, it's you're not like him type thing. So I wonder how much of my life I followed in his footsteps. Because if you keep telling someone they're not something, they end up being something. Like, I got to make sure not to do that with my kids.

What was it like when you found out you were going to be a father?

I was scared. I was, well, I'm still scared. But it was just more or less me being scared about anger issues.

Justin doesn't have a criminal record. He's never gotten into the kind of trouble Jeremy did.

You know, if I'm going to be like my dad, which I'm not, because I don't even know what my dad would be like in a dad role.

The first time Justin heard his dad's voice, he heard him confessing to a murder.

because I have to live with this every day.

Can you describe that? What is it like to live with it?

It's not a good feeling, but it's funny. Just put it away. I dream, I wake up, I turn over, I see a dead body sleeping next to me. I sleep with dead bodies every night when I go to bed. That's my punishment.

because i was expecting i was expecting someone cold i was expecting like a like someone that really don't care and then i heard someone genuinely crying and so i'm like all right so it makes sense his demons finally caught up to him he was forced to break and he didn't know

how to handle that jeremy can never set things truly right he can't bring back the dead or erase the ripples of pain he's caused for so many, but he can set the record straight, which he hopes, and Justin hopes, and I hope, will one day help to exonerate Leo Schofield, whose conviction for the murder of his wife still stands today. Justin wants to support his dad through this struggle. He wants him to be honest about his past.

My dad was a destroyer. i'm a healer type thing so in the beginning is to heal what my dad had broke and i feel like if i do that then i could unlock the power healing that's how my mind frame works

Justin tells me he wants to talk to his dad.

I want to be able to talk to my dad because I don't even know how to take the steps to talk to him.

He wonders if this will help him be a better father to his own son. So he can someday show him that even broken pieces can be put back together in their own way.

I know that if anything, I have to help my dad. How can I be a father to my son if I can't even stand up to my own?

I tell Justin I'll try to help him. we can definitely help you with this. We've been corresponding with him. But deep down, I was unsettled. Connecting Justin with his father means bringing him into the chaos of Jeremy's life. I knew what that was like. But Justin is his son. How would he respond to getting a letter like this one? Mr. King, I have no hard feelings toward you. or to society. I'll make this short. This will be my last time writing to you. They are going to lock me away for a long time. The monster in me is coming alive one last time. Hope everything works out for you. Goodbye. That's next time. Bone Valley is a production of Lava for Good Podcast in association with Signal Company No. 1. Our executive producers are Jason Flom, Jeff Kempler, and Kevin Werdes. Cara Kornhaber is our senior producer. Jackie Pauley and Hannah Beal are our producers. Britt Spangler is our sound designer. Marianne McCune is our editor. Fact-checking by Dania Suleiman. Jeff Clyburn is our head of marketing and operations. Our social media director is Ismadi Guardrama. Our social media manager is Sarah Gibbons and our art director is Andrew Nelson. Additional research and production by Kelsey Decker. Additional sound recording by James Johnson. Bone Valley is written and produced by me, Gilbert King. Follow us on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, and threads at Lava for Good.

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Hey, it's Bobby from the Bobby Bone Show. I had an incredible time at this year's iHeartRadio Music Festival and even got the chance to hang out with Diplo and Bailey Zimmerman while I was there.

How did ashes come together, Diplo? I pulled up real quick. He was about to leave on tour. You were about to jump in your tour bus and we had like three hours.

It was really cool. He literally just like randomly showed up to my house. I'm like, oh, hey, Diplo, what are you doing? He's like, I have a song that I want to show you. And I was like, okay.

You can listen to the full episode out now wherever you get your podcasts. And big shout-out to my friends at Hyundai for making this possible. Had a blast cruising around the festival weekend in the all-new Palisade Hybrid.

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