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my birthday july 1st i'll be 28 like 28 how are you feeling eating it down okay is that what we're calling it yes 28 i'm even getting myself a cake that says 20 ate tell me how you're feeling i'm feeling really good okay like before like top of the year i was like oh i'm getting a little up there but i'm like you know what i am feeling really good i've been working my ass off and i'm like seeing the fruits of my labor but i'm also realizing what's important and what's not and what makes me the happiest and i'm feeling pretty good i'm healing i am doing self-work so this is

like a birthday celebration yes yeah also i love how you're like i'm getting up there 28 is so young but I'm two years from 30. And 30 is not old. I know, but I'm 30 flirty and thriving. I get it. But we convince ourselves that we're old. Yeah. And then you like sit with your parents or something and you're like, oh, I still have a long way to go. I feel old when I watch like the

reality TV show. I'm 22. I'm 21. But I feel mentally 21. Okay. Even 19. Well, you look perfect. And no makeup. I look like 16, 15. People are like, oh, you're so kind. I was on shopping and she's like your mother raised you so well how old are you 15 i'm in high school i was like i'm 27 she goes and that it happens all the time it's so crazy how women we just it's like

the understandable constant fixation on what age we are i know and then like it slowly is nice i will say i remember when i turned 30 and i was like okay actually everything i'm alive i'm breathing everything's actually feels like it's still only getting better like this is a good sign because we think as we're getting older, we're like, it'll decline. But it's only like getting better. Yes. Do we have birthday party plans? So I really want to be in St. Lucia for

my birthday and I'm obsessed with the water. I'm a water baby. I love the ocean. I love swimming and I haven't jumped off a boat in a long time. So that's what I will be doing when this comes out.

Jumping off boats. Yes. And then I'll prove pictures if I actually did it. Perfect. Okay. i know you're someone that kind of manifests is there anything we're manifesting for 28

uh just to be a better human being anything that you know because hurt people hurt people so anything that might be in the tuck somewhere i want to get rid of that that's what i that's

what i want i also love how i feel like you're someone that when you man

manifest it happens because you basically manifested getting signed to Beyonce's label

at a young age and it happened let me tell you I wish I had my positivity and confidence that I had when I was younger because it's true anything I put on my mood board any like I would tell because I was like number one beehive I would tell Halle I would tell everybody we're gonna be the first artist signed to Beyonce and she used to say this is how you know I'm true beehive she used to how she was gonna sign a boy band and i was like no she's gonna sign us hallie she's gonna sign us we're gonna be the first and i would just always say that and literally it happened and then it happened and then i even put um like grammys on the mood board i put a script next to donald glover's face years because ahead because i loved atlanta i put so many different things have come true from those and now as we get older we kind of get a little jaded little yes we kind of erode away little by little so of course self-doubt creeps in but if i had you know the belief that i had i'm sure a lot of things would come quicker do we still have a mood board to this day oh yes i do it more for like artistic vision okay okay aesthetic yes aesthetic like i made like six or seven for my third album that hasn't come out yet but like i already knew what i wanted it to say and so i i was with my family it was over like holiday break and i just had like

15 magazines and i was just it it's nice i need to go home and make a mood board also to anyone else like go home make a mood board and like put beyonce on it oh yeah and just looking at her will embody like confidence yes can okay we need to go back okay you that's not the first time you met her you're three years old which is this like kind of a crazy story you're three years old and you played a younger version of beyonce's character in a movie so technically you met her when you were three yeah do you because i know three is so young do you have any stories that anyone has told you from that time in your life on set i faintly remember i have a pretty good

memory from when i was that age which is weird tell us but for me there was one of my favorite like yellow pink sunflower dresses that's what i wore to the audition it was my very first audition so I was three when I auditioned and we shot it in July and I think it was like a couple days away past my birthday so it was like top of July that's what I remember and I remember I used to hate mints right so I started at the top of the scene and I had a little cute boyfriend on the steps at the top and I hated mints so we had to wrap them in strawberry candy for me to continue filming that I remember how disgusted I was with the mints I remember Beyonce picking me up and holding me I remember fangirling because I love Destiny's Child. Then I remember at the wrap party because I had a little fighting temptations camera they gave everyone. I still remember it. She was dancing with me at the wrap party, picked me up, swung me around. Then I remember, sorry, now I'm five. Now I'm five. And my baby sister, Hallie, she was three. And my sister, Sky, I think she was, how old was she at the time? 12. She even had a black strappy dress. See, I remember specific details and we went to crawl well my sister crawled and i but mainly her she started it to go see b and i think she had like this diamond dress on at the premiere and my sister's baby locks got caught in her hair and dress no her dress yes those i remember specifically and i

will never forget you have a really good memory yeah so after that moment you're 10 and your sister's 8 when you guys start uploading covers to youtube whose idea was that it was our older

sister skies and any like we were singing around atlanta in our church dresses at clubs at venues at anything we could be at and this was around the time when justin bieber was popping on youtube i think grace and chance was popping off of youtube so sky was like hey maybe you guys should post stuff on youtube and you know other little people around atlanta were like yeah that'd be a good idea we were always like no no and of course best thing i never had came out we were singing it around the house we were like this is the one this was around the time where we had to burn the instrumental on a cd we had to put it in a stereo it was red and black plug it in put it in there we had the camera uh sky had to press play with her toe while she did the camera and sis and i we put on our dressiest shirts because we're showing up and showing out on youtube uh we ended up having to change it to more simpler tank tops and that is the rough imaging that you see of chloe and holly really doing the thing the video i watched it again this morning just so i could

like relive it and the videos are so precious and it's so og youtube it makes it even better like i forgot how just genuine and organic the internet used to feel it really felt like just like a home video right and then your cover of pretty hurts gets 23 I agree. million views on YouTube. And maybe more importantly, it gets Miss Beyonce's attention.

It's crazy. What do you do? I was freaking out, jumping up and down, screaming. We get a response. They were like, bet. So maybe it took about a month. We ended up seeing Bea in a warehouse. Sis and I, it was dark. I think she was shooting some commercial. It was dark. She was in this white jumpsuit, looked like an angel. And, you know, she saw the picture that we had when I was four and i think she's like early 20s and yeah she was like oh my gosh and it was like a sign and then she told us before she wanted to sign us miss tina sent her the video and was like you need to sign these girls and she was like mom i already did it's too good also like the

warehouse and her looking angelic and getting to see her in her element when you got that recognition from her what do you think that changed within you and your sister from just being like okay we're singing youtube covers to like beyonce knolls is acknowledging our existence not only but also blessing us and saying you are talented it felt like uh you know when you're

younger and you don't really know all that you have to do it felt like the i made it moment

in that time and like little did you know how much more you were going to go on to do but in that moment it was so validating yes okay then you guys casually end up opening for her formation world tour that is that doesn't even go on people's mood board because that's not like the stadium was on the mood board beyonce is selling out stadiums how big of crowds had you

even performed for prior to that same oh nowhere near that are you kidding me and it was the europe leg and it was just i had my beat machine it was so hot sometimes during the summer that it would overheat and it wouldn't work and that i was triggering our songs from there we had some tacky outfits but we were performing our little hearts out we did not care dancing choreography

everything Hallie had her guitar we were giving it our all I think also the trajectory from YouTube to then working with someone like Beyonce like that is the dream of all dreams were you nervous

to be in front of such like huge stadiums kidding me I still get nervous I have bad nerves even to this day but I feel like I'm an adrenaline junkie and it's kind of fun in the moment it feels like you're paralyzed like it gets so bad for me to the point of almost like wanting to throw up like I remember there was this BET performance I had uh to honor Usher and it was a good kisser and I'm in my bedazzled jumpsuit and I'm like bent over so there's this stool that I had to start you know perched up on but before they opened up you know the stuff the platforms or whatever i'm sitting there doubled over because i can't stand straight without falling over and then all of a sudden the song comes on and i'm going boom boom boom and you just turn it on yes so you're just like a real

performer because i also think there's something weird about youtube right it's like you're in front of a camera but there's no behind the camera and so it's similar to now like almost like people on the internet when you are getting famous on the internet no one is in the room with you and then when you actually have to go meet people and perform live there is this element that you have to retrain your body to be like oh my god I'm not just doing it for the internet anymore I'm doing it for the world and now I'm doing it in a stadium with Beyonce coming out after us no pressure yeah is there any advice that she gave you in those early days that has just like stuck with you

throughout your career the early advice she gave us she used to call us her little aliens because we were so like different and like she would say like out of this world and she would always say you know the world won't get it yet but don't dumb yourselves down for the world let the world catch up to you and even now as i'm 27 going on 28 it's still that way with my music like i'll release it oh yeah we don't like it then months later oh this is a bop so i'm like it just just

trade your ear a little bit i mean i i think also someone in her position who has gone through so many different iterations that's such an incredible bit of advice to give you of like almost just like having resilience also to just be patient yes because in our careers you want to just go go go especially as women and we feel like we have this tiny window oh yeah but it's like we have time it's so true what a concept call her daddy is brought to you by the united states virgin islands where every moment is naturally in rhythm whether you're exploring the historic sites in saint thomas snorkeling in the crystal clear waters of saint john or exploring the cultural twin cities of saint croix you'll find yourself swept away by the rhythm of the islands. So why wait? Start planning your escape today and visit usvi.com. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Stouffer's. Let me tell you something. hungry and I am trying to figure out what to eat, sometimes you can just actually become so you're angry. You're like, I am busy. I'm hungry. I'm getting hangry. I'm getting angry. What can I eat? I need something hot and delicious and low maintenance. Well, introducing Stouffer's dinners are not only delicious, they're done in a flash. Serve up their classic lasagna, chicken pesto, or carbonara for two. Whatever you're craving, Stouffer's is your hot, delicious, easy meal fantasy when the clock strikes dinner think stouffer's you can see all the delicious options at stouffer's.com you and your sister obviously have had so many milestones i feel like in those very beginning days you became almost like known as this unit right yes how would you describe

your dynamic with hallie so i'm the cancer she's the aries we are like the complete opposite yet we are just the same this is how I could describe it so we have cats who are brothers Poseidon and Apollo they're actual brothers and Poseidon he's very demure very to himself he doesn't really like people he likes his space don't bother him Apollo clingy all up in your face constant zoomies loves the cuddles everything like that so that is Halle and I in cat form wait wait which one's

paulo me oh my god you're saying you're clingy yeah you want to cuddle up on your sister and like be near her and she's like leave me alone yes i guess that is so you being like the older

sister and she's younger she's too cool yes that is exactly us in cat form they embodied our

spirits you have said in the past that you've always taken on this like motherly role and feel really protective over hallie very how has that shown up through your just like different stages

of your lives and your career it's so funny because sometimes i have to tell myself okay chloe dial it back i think because growing up in the house ever since we were little girls i always felt like i had to protect her and that still hasn't gone away and with her becoming a mother i'm not a mom there's a new level of life she unlocked even before i did so i have to be like Chloe you all have different journeys she is raising her child this is not she's not your child so I've had to do a lot of letting go because Hallie's always been my like my little doll baby and I'd always put her before myself through everything in life and so it's like I have to retrain myself to be like okay we're both our own individuals and our own adults let go Chloe

that is really sweet and I think anyone who's watching who has a sister because I do I feel that I'm the youngest and then my sister is the oldest so I'm feeling that energy of like my sister's like that to me too and even though sometimes I'm like oh my god leave me alone I actually really don't know what I would do without her because I'm like wait no but it's like I don't want you there but like I know you're there and it's like a nice feeling I also remember which makes me so sad for you guys like reading you know understandably how disturbing you found it when people would try to pit you and your sister against each other which is they already try to do that to women all the time every day but to do it also to like sisters where you're like that is my blood like where are you going with this is pretty crazy yeah when was the first time do you

think you became aware of this i think after after best thing i never had came out our very first cover and we got posted on world star and you know of course world star lethal lethal yeah and i think that was the very first time but like the thing that people don't realize with sis and i is that we are so different like my sister she grew up loving jazz she still does jazz neo soul you know the vibes you know she plays the guitar very boho me i'm like i love the pop lock and drop it the heavy drums you hear it in my production and that's that was the beauty of Chloe and Halle that is what the beauty of Chloe and Halle is because we're bringing two different sides of ourselves but I think people wanted to see either all of this side from both of us or all of this side from both of us and you can never please everybody so I mean of course there are groups like all groups you all have your favorite or whatever but it was it hurt us sometimes like when we'd see certain comments like Hallie and I we'd talk to each other like oh my gosh is this true about me and then she'll say is this true about me and we'd be like no it's not and it's like we'd have to uplift each other I mean even today like they'll say I do too much or like my sister does the opposite or things like that but that's the beauty of us

were like fire and water did they ever go for it was it just like career do they ever

go for your looks or your yeah i mean we're two black girls with locks in the industry it's not i mean now it's becoming more mainstream and i'm really happy to see that i really am but like it wasn't cool to be young black with short little locks like i remember sometimes being in school like it's funny there's a self-portrait of me i was four and you had to do a self-portrait and i drew myself like i had like this straight ponytail and i'm like chloe now i can laugh at it But it's funny how we see ourselves when we look at our friends and we're like, that's what I'm supposed to look like. That's what I'm supposed to be like. So we definitely had to pull our self-confidence from inside because it wasn't that accepted. And even like when we would go on auditions when we were younger in Atlanta, our acting agents would be like, oh, you know, you might get more roles if you have regular hair. so we even invested in getting these terrible lace front like really curly wigs and I remember I even went to school orientation in it they're like oh my gosh your locks I said yeah I combed them out then a week later it was first day of school I was back with my locks and I was like I put them back in now child it's so funny but yeah those are different things we went through and I remember I went through a time I think maybe 18 19 before I started really styling my locks in different ways I was like I want to get rid of my hair like I want to switch it up but then I got introduced to wrapping my locks because I won't ever dye it because it'll kind of break them off and like adding hair and things like that and I love my locks I'll never change them

well first of all I'm so sorry you had to go through that because you're right like hearing that also from young kids your same age I cannot imagine being in a position where you are authentically showing up as yourself and you are being judged for something that is just who you are and something you're like wait I can't control this little children as little children that's what gets me right and then to look for a solution because had those people not gotten involved you would have just still thought I'm beautiful and I'm with my sister and when I'm in my household I feel so confident like that's the part when you're a child and you're put into those situations with other peers it starts to be this like horrible self-doubt that you have and you're so critical of yourself and it takes a really long time I'm sure to then get to the point where you're like wait maybe I am okay as I am yes you don't need outer validation but it doesn't make

it easy no because you're growing up thinking that your self-worth is dependent on what you

can do and what you bring do you think though it made it easier having you and your sister

be together in that situation we clung so tight to each other and we weren't alone like we weren't going through the criticism even the positivity alone like we were rejoicing together and we had a partner to celebrate with and even cry with i'm also thinking too about you know coming up like

you're having such success because you're naturally talented and then I do feel like we hear about this often becoming in this industry everyone wants you to have a very recognizable image right and you're talking about like as a young black girl like I'm trying to figure out who I am and then add on also being in the entertainment industry adds another level of complexity because everyone's going to try to change you regardless regardless so it's like how did you work through the essentially dichotomy of like merging two worlds from already struggling with something and then it blowing up even more as people were like we need you to look like this

we need to pose like this I think the care and the love for the art overshadowed all of that so the joy that we felt when we were creating the joy when I'd be nerding out by my computer with my beats to like four in the morning in like our garage studio the joy of listening to it back the joy of knowing that we did have fans because at this moment we're very underground like we're like two black indie girls at this moment so the joy of that the love of it that is what overpowered it

all I also love what you you know were saying where you have people comparing you and this is your sister and you're like we're so different but in the best ways that's what makes us us and then eventually you do decide to go and explore a solo career was there any part of you guys that had conversations of like what will the world think because are we almost like like is this going to fuel more rumors yeah you know what i mean yeah so the funny thing is that

it was never planned and and we're not broken up we're just like on a cute little hiatus yes and my sister booked the little mermaid as arielle yes she did and she had to move to london she ended up filming it for about three years because it was in the middle of covid so we had our album on godly hour done we had the visual shot and every but we didn't have a release date so then sis went off to london and we didn't know when we'd ever put out the project so covid happens she comes back home we get a release date so then we started doing tennis court performances and everything during covid and ungodly hour kind of took our group to the next level so it was never planned in that time to like kind of go like that but of course during the pandemic it's hard to travel I couldn't even visit her in London after that because of all the travel restrictions so I'm just with my little beat machine in my bedroom just making ideas you know I'm not with my other half so I'm like okay this is three years I'm like okay had that been the longest you'd been apart also yeah okay we wouldn't even yeah we didn't even spend a week apart and when she first went to London I went out there with her for two months because she's like Chloe I don't think I could be without you so I went out there and anytime she'd go to set you know with rehearsals I'd work out with her in the morning with her trainer and then I'd be in her trailer the whole day while she was rehearsing and I'd just be making beats in the trailer until it's time for her to come and we go home yeah and the days I didn't go I would do SoulCycle but that was like maybe once or twice but I would always go to set with her just so she knew I was there when she'd come in for lunch things like that you are such a ride or die that's when the idea came out okay i'm making all these ideas maybe i should just put it out because i'm just like like building and accumulating all this music throughout three years so this opportunity for this like um it was juneteenth actually juneteenth is a special time for me i mean anyways come to think of it so i wanted to do a cover of feeling good by nina simone i love nina simone i always have since i was a little girl I think that's where I get like my lower tone register inspo from her and Toni Braxton love it so you know me with my little electronics I did it from you know I wanted to use my backgrounds almost like a synth and of course heavy 808s gotta have that it's a little weird alternative I turned it in and they're like oh you want to do this late night performance of it I was like sure yeah we didn't have a place for the late night performance so this would have been my first performance without my sister I'm like hold on wait a minute now the two of us between the two of us I really love dancing like all of our ungodly our performances and everything because we couldn't see a choreographer I would come up with the dance moves and I teach it to her so we had like our little dance studio in the house so I was like okay Chloe what am I gonna do so I was like I want to dance for this performance so I practiced I even sprained the left side of my neck because I wanted to really just do whatever the heck on the floor I was like let's just do it

let's just go all out and you know i shot the performances and we didn't really have a place for it and they're like oh well it's gonna go uh on the juneteenth special i think it was nbc one of those like news ones i'm like because it was a little you know but at that moment it was already shot money had been spent you're like we can't i was like i'm still proud of my performance yeah it was meant for late night yeah it wasn't really meant for like daytime television the the moms in America just be like yeah but I was like you know what it's already done so it airs a huge uproar this is too sexy this that my job fully clothed but yes I was gyrating around I'm not gonna lie it's not for daytime television but you know I'm moving I was just really giving it my all so it made this huge uproar online and I'm like whoa and anytime i would post you know myself or my body or anything like that they would freak the heck out and i was like why at this moment i think i'm 21 like i'm like i don't get the big deal why everyone's freaking out so this performance freaked everyone out i was getting so much shit so much i ended up getting this beat because i was posting my beats on my instagram at the time from murder beats he dm'd me yo let's make some beats together i was like bet mind you i would never answer dms because there are a lot of creeps up in there so i'm like but he was really about the music that's how i got metro's contact too they were really about the music so murder had sent me about 10 beats at this time he sent me this one booty so big lord have mercy i'm like oh i like this i'm even getting chills talking about it i still remember i was in my car listening to it i turned it off because if i hear it all my mind will immediately start coming up with creative ideas and it won't shut off so if I know I like a beat I'll turn it off until I'm ready to create and I was like I really want to talk my shit on this it's talking about booty so big but I don't really know if I had the balls to write like that yet so this guy T-Ron amazing writer has written so many hits it was our first session together it was me him and my engineer he comes in and you know he's like what are you going through right now and I ended up saying you know I'm really upset because people aren't letting me be me and body that i have like first they tell me oh she's amazing she's being restricted then they tell me oh she's showing her body too much all of this and i was like i really just want to use this song to just get my feelings out and talk my we wrote it that day the scratch demo then i ended up uh actually recutting it with just me and my engineer and i added my backgrounds and everything like that and i was like gosh darn it this feels really great i knew this was the first song i wanted to put out so all this is happening all while my sister is in london you see the little mermaid and you're like so did you see that daytime tv thing yes so all of this is happening

in conjunction with one another so it's not like i just went on my own you know what i mean what did she think about the daytime uh television she was like chloe it's great i love it yes the moves we're on facetime and you know she had her cute little extensions the red and you know she'd always wear head scars because she couldn't show that she had the red hair because no one really knew what her look would be just like oh girl yes yes just like that so it was really great because at that time i'm working with murder i'm working with metro i'm working with all these heavy hitters in terms of production i'm like they respect my work they respect what i do like and it was my first time actually believing in myself as my own because i didn't think i had worth or value without my sister so even now like because we were like this it's you it's like you know you're special because i can look over at my sister and i know she has a phenomenal voice i know she's beautiful but it's harder to look in the mirror and say those things to yourself yeah it's almost

like you guys had each other as this crutch yes that you came up in this industry together so to remove that you're like wait what am i without her where's hallie and it's like no no time for you both to soar and fly on your own and you're like still grabbing for each other but it's like you're getting farther away and it's like yeah go go do your thing I'm gonna do my thing and

we'll meet back up later yeah very scary but what I loved about those lyrics it was like why do I keep bossing like I do flossing like I do and I was just I was talking my shit like you know he liked my Laffy Taffy because all these guys were online talking about my body or whatever I'm not all my body yes that's a part of me but i'm this nerd really smart funny girl but yeah i'm showing a little booty and what about it and what about it yes so i was really that's what it was so i put that out on my birthday it goes viral everyone's doing the challenge the booty's so big lord have mercy the song isn't even out i'm like whoa whoa whoa because my sister and i we weren't mainstream we were like indie underground girls so i wasn't expecting much from this going 100 000 200 000 videos 300 000 friends i'm like whoa so now everyone's like put it out put it out put it out so i put this song out through columbia that we were assigned to you know in conjunction with parkwood and we release it i think september 5th and because the song was so viral vma's called and asked me to perform even before it dropped so i'm in new jersey rehearsing for my very first debut performance this is crazy my very first debut performance and the day the video drops we're sitting on the ground in rehearsal and it like had four million in one night

it was just everywhere hearing you talk about making a moment for yourself and going for something you love and like you saying like you're such a creative you hear something you're like i need to get i have a vision i want to do it but leaning into the commentary about your looks and your body i think as women it's so relatable it's like if i i'm gonna call it what it is and i want to own it because you're why do you all get to talk about it but i can't talk about it let make it make sense thank you you get to tell me oh she got a nice ass but i can't go in the mirror and go i got a nice ass so like why can you it's like everyone feels like they have ownership over women's bodies and except the one who owns it chloe no no no we're on to something here chloe no no and it's it's so infuriating and so i remember because i had written down like i remember when people called you like too sexy and they were insinuating that you're using your sexuality to force a rebrand and it's like wait a second who was the person that sexualized me in the first place all of you and so here i am now celebrating myself who i am

i'm coming into my own and now it's upsetting everyone yeah i didn't know why it made such a big deal because I have I'm in this skin all my life and to be honest like we can like ourselves but it's hard to really dive into the self-love thing so for me I just I was confused I was like whoa what is happening so when that happened it was like almost taking something bad and making it good and because of all that negativity I got my first platinum single my debut solo single turned platinum yes you And that's insane because even talking about it now, that's a huge debut. And I think I have to remember that and celebrate myself in the times where I don't feel like I'm good enough.

I think that is so relatable as women where we I was talking about this with my friend the other day. I'm like, whenever one of us has a win, why do we not pause and celebrate? Because the mood board has always been there. like if you told young chloe this story she'd be like huh excuse me no we can retire we're done that's perfect that's that's all we could have ever asked for and when you're in it it's so hard it's like what where can i go to next and we're so hard on ourselves and so the fact yes you could let's take a moment right now where it's like look at what you did in that moment from that young girl on youtube to then having that moment with mercy you're like it was crazy platinum and after

the vma's performance i just broke down crying on the side of the stage and that hallie even came back from london so she was there all my family was there my god mom my god brother my younger brother we were all there and i just broke down on the side of the stage because there were so many people who told me I couldn't do it, that I wasn't good as a solo artist. People that I knew personally would tell me that and I just really didn't feel like I was worth much. So to know that I had that moment at the VMAs, I just literally broke down crying on the side of the stage because it was like I got to prove it to myself that I was good enough. Chloe, that makes

I mean, there's so much that you're saying that I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes for women. And I wonder if you have any just like opinion or take now of where you're sitting and looking back on yourself like why do you think people are so uncomfortable when a woman especially a black woman is so confident in who she is as a person and her sexuality because there's too much power

in that you can control people and confine them when they don't know how special they are

you can keep them trapped in that box it's so true it's like there's two they don't want us to recognize our worth because once we do i saw something where people like oh my god the older women get they although they're devaluing us we actually only become more cognizant of like who we are and what we want and so they act like we're only worthy at 18 and 19 and 20 when really they know that's just the like when we're the most vulnerable and the brink of it right and so to hear you lean in to your success and your power in that moment and to see it go platinum like that's so rewarding I'm so it's still crazy to think about it's incredible thank you um in the midst of all of this yes you said that being in the spotlight for most of your life made you tie your happiness to your career and your public perception when do you think you came to that

realization years ago but even more so now like i'm such a huge advocate for therapy and i say this all the time like we're taught to work out and work on our bodies and watch what we eat but our mind is a muscle just the same and we have to do that as well there might be some on habits we have to learn we might have to figure out how to squat the proper way mentally so we don't hurt ourselves uh things like that but I think because I started it so young it's like it's rewarding when you get an applause for hitting the right note it's rewarding when you bring in some money for this deal it's rewarding but that's not what's all that

special about you. It's a great point. So do you think a couple years ago, was there a moment or was it kind of creeping up on you where you're like, why am I feeling this way? I think it creeps

up on you. And even now I'm very cognizant about it. Like, I don't think that ever goes away. It's hard to unlearn something that has been your blueprint your entire life. But I think when surround people surround yourself with people who don't need a damn thing from you you realize wait you actually keep me around because you like me as a person not because of what i can do for you so for me it's very freeing and i think that's when you get closer to the self-love journey but

But what I can feel behind that right now when you just are getting a little emotional.

is it takes though realizing oh you're so a priest of those kind of people because you had the other kind of person in your life yeah who was using you or made you feel like oh my god my my worth is all wrapped up in what i bring to the table and so i have to work and i have to work and i need to succeed and i need to succeed because if all this goes away all these people will go away and then what am i worth exactly how did getting stuck into that cycle a little bit of like your career and it really getting enmeshed with your self-worth start to affect your mental health?

I think when it started to affect my mental health was around when I, after the Have Mercy success, I have all these eyes on me. And I think because people were waiting on what I was going to do next. And everyone around me was like, no, we have to make sure the next one's perfect. So even though I was creating music, we waited like eight months till I put out my next single, which if I could rewind it I would have just kept the momentum going because it's hard to build it back up so I think when I actually released my first album and it didn't sell the great amount that people wanted to but it's the normal amount today it was 10k everyone was shunning me I was like oh my gosh I am I not as great as I thought or everyone thought like they thought I gonna be this big thing so it was around the same time the best thing that my manager shermaine could have done was book a tour for me a week after the album came out and that was at that time it was kind of unheard of no one goes on tour to tour an album nobody knows so as i'm on tour as i'm in press interviews they're like oh how do you feel about the low selling numbers all this stuff blah blah blah but then the first night everyone knows the song the song's word for word i'm like hold on meet and greets the whole tour was sold out so i'm like wait i'm confused let's see this online then i see this in real life what's happening and i think it was really getting to me i think it was the show before philly and i always get nervous before every performance this specific show i think it had gotten to me and i was just like you know what and that show i had no nerves it was like i was watching it happen in front of me in the audience and i was watching my body and my arms and my legs and seeing everything happening in front of me but i wasn't there and I hope she doesn't mind me saying this um after that I go backstage uh Charmaine was my manager I call her mommy because she's my god mom she takes me to the dressing room in the back I think it was like two of like the glam team were back there she goes looks at me serious she goes Chloe if I ever see you like that again I'm gonna fuck you up don't ever let no motherfuckers take your joy from you something that God gave you that gift if I ever see you like that again so from that day she would always be at the front of the stage because I was just not there I just was like okay I don't feel that strong enough mentally to give off to perform songs that people say oh it didn't feel well whatever blah blah blah so that's when I attached it to my self-worth but then I was like wait and after that it marked from Philly to the rest of the tour i was on cloud nine and it didn't really matter first of all thank you for sharing that because

i think something that is really difficult to talk about especially with social media these days is what does success actually look like and when we look at social media we are inundated with they got the job they sold they went platinum or like people see you in public and they go what are you up to yes what you up exactly like living trying to be like get my mental health together like leave me alone but it's there's so much that we are seeing constantly of people's wins that when you are having what you would consider like oh I actually think this would have been good but I guess by that standard it's not great and therefore it's complete failure like we've lost the barometer I genuinely believe of like what success actually looks like for ourselves and the fact that like you're on stage you are on tour you are performing that seems very successful to me but understandably you're like oh my god but everyone had this idea of what I was supposed to be doing yes but that wasn't your path at that moment and like and this is still a win And I look back at videos and I'm like, oh, my God, I missed Tor.

But I wish I appreciated it more in the moment because I was so in my head. And now I'm watching videos. I'm like, oh, I was getting it. And so that's what I now I am learning to be more present in the moments because tomorrow isn't promised. All of these moments are fleeting. Sometimes I'll be like.

oh my gosh, I'm so tired. Press book back to back. There's some days there's nothing. It's like, oh, I miss that. So now I walk into spaces with a different sense of gratitude, a different sense of appreciation and knowing that this is my job. And yes, I'm happy this is here. But the same people cheering me on now, they were quiet a month or two ago. So that shouldn't really validate me because it's a facade.

Right. It's going to come and go. Yeah. How do you feel? What makes you feel fulfilled? And when you're looking back at yourself and you're realizing, how was I not happy in that moment when that should have been such a great moment? Yeah. It's almost you have to start re-regulating how you operate and look at success for yourself. And I think that's applicable to everyone probably watching this show of like, whether it's your job or your family or your relationship, like we get so in our head comparing everything around us that it's like, girl, you're missing the moment.

It's so true. And I used to, this is how I know I've gotten thicker skin. i used to like crumble with people online about me all this stuff when people talk or have a discourse now i'm like thank you so much for giving me great interaction and engagement thank you because you're impenetrable now yes and guess what you're running my numbers up brand see that are you putting bread into my account by talking shit like no it's just like a comment i'm like i'm grateful you have me trending oh baby thank you yeah that's how i look at it now Like people could be tearing my name down and I'm like, I'll be home like, yeah.

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i don't like people being upset with me i don't like knowing people think i did something wrong to them i just love to people please and sometimes when you people please you leave yourself out darling and I've learned it's okay to say no it's okay to say hell no it's okay to say I'm not feeling that right now maybe come back to me next week but I think because I've been such a people pleaser all of my life when I did start vocalizing and standing up for myself people were like whoa who is this and as a woman you should be able to speak your mind without being

labeled as the b word well that's what i was going to ask you like how did you navigate that because i think that's where all of us struggle where it's like oh my god she's finally standing up for herself and what should be celebrated is actually a lot of people who have been able to weaponize your people pleasing to their ability of oh my gosh i'm getting more out of her i'm doing all this and the minute you actually put boundaries up to them they're like she Thank you. such a bitch now yeah it's like they'll if you think about it like this they're taking rocks and pebbles and throwing it at you and the second we pick it back up to throw it back at them it's

like oh oh my god with you and you're like what you've been doing this whole time here's a taste of your medicine babes huh interesting yes did you but did you worry though like as a woman like they're getting labeled that how have you navigated being more in your power and owning it and trying to not people please without fear of judgment from other people i just am learning to care less

it won't erase anyone's reaction but if you care a little less it'll get quieter and smaller and you won't even notice it so if you don't notice it it's invisible you don't see it you don't hear

it it's a great point yeah okay a few years ago you talked about how hard it is to accept love from others when you don't fully love yourself first looking back let's talk about romantic life how do you think that affected past relationships that you've been in

i think to be able to properly love someone you have to do the proper self-work or you will love them in an unhealthy way because you're loving yourself in an unhealthy way so you're only doing what you know you know I think the hard thing too is like dating in the public eye anybody I would stand next to or be next to oh this is who she's dating this is her man this is this and it makes it hard too and then you'll go out to events and the guy's like oh you're with this person it's like huh I don't know him so then sometimes it'll cock block and I'm like I be gosh

darn it. I feel like that's not my man and I don't claim that energy. Yeah. Yeah. So sometimes that's frustrating. But what is something that you used to put up with that you would never put up with anymore in romantic relationships? Disrespect. Disrespect. Yeah. You're getting blocked. Oh, we're hitting them with a full block. Oh, yes. I'm great at it. Give me an example of

disrespect like talking out of turn like if you speak to me in a condescending manner or as if I'm less than who you are don't do that and the thing is is that I can't get punked out because I have my own you can't punk me out buddy we're sitting at the same table

so treat me like a human being it's so crazy though when i feel like when i was younger the disrespect and like making you feel less than sometimes it's so subtle that at first you don't really see it and it can start to wear on your self-esteem and then it takes you being like wait and sometimes it takes you getting out of the relationship to look back and be like how long had that been happening that this person was doing this to me but then the next relationship you get in your antennas are up a little bit more because you're like wait a second this is a pattern i'm recognizing from that one in the past it just did that to me and i see this and although it's familiar and i know how to do this dance because sometimes we can like keep repeating it does become more clear the more you go through the steps yeah sometimes people like to humble you

oh yes they do chloe in the very subtle small ways and it's like is this my lover or a hater

it's so subtle yes like you can't you almost couldn't sit here and give me an exact concrete it would you be like you'd have to i'd have to put the puzzle together for you because on this wednesday it was like a little comment about this and it was like a little comment about like my makeup that day yeah and it was like a little backhanded but i thought it was like oh and then a month later it was this it continues to escalate and it's like no you're my biggest i keep everything

you're full up living in my house yeah i'll keep everything i might not say it in the moment but i'll just i don't forget i'll calculate on your new mixtape resurrection there's a song about

catching someone cheating how did you find out let me tell you so this has been a while ago

because i've been like on my own for a minute through dms they'll dm my god mom even sometimes the girls the girls or just a random fan and it'll be all the information i've seen a lash extension and i didn't have them in the like on the tile of the shower floor or like a hair tie this man

was having sex with these women in your home not my home oh but his home yeah yeah okay excuse me

you don't have the keys you're like that's why we don't live together

hair tie that's not my hair texture and in those moments Chloe what do you do do you collect it as

evidence put it in a little Ziploc or are we are we going on it depends on how I'm feeling okay okay and what did you do when you found the eyelash I kept it internal and I took a picture of it and I texted my god mom and she's like my voice of reason Hallie she'll have me crash out

your god mom's like put it in the evidence file yes get him when he least expects it or or just walk away do you think that was the same girl i have no idea but i do know i peeped

it and i kept it quiet till the next morning and then would you and then i walked in the bathroom like it was brand new like i just saw it because i still wanted my night of cuddles i'm that i'm

that toxic no there is nothing better than seeing the text or seeing the evidence and you're like uh-huh and then using it to your advantage when you want to bring it up because now it's on your timeline chloe so it's all it's up to you okay the fact though hold on you cuddled this man and in those moments this was me looking up at the ceiling in the dark he's like dead asleep and you're like this is me you're like i thought i want the cuddles but now all i can think about is the fucking hair tie and those lash extensions like you have to bodily get to a place where you can hold that in and then the next morning you confronted yeah did he lie of course okay deny deny deny deny i do remember at first you did write um music in the past about wanting to get revenge by cheating back oh yeah did we ever do that it depends on what your

definition of cheating is chloe well give me give me your definition my definition is like i'll just start responding to people i never responded to no the literal and then once i'm out of it i just won't text them back that's my definition i'll be

like yeah take that chloe that is so relatable where you're like watch this and then literally you wake up the next morning you're like i don't know why did i even answer yeah like ew yeah get away from me okay so you just need to get the rage out i want to ask you some questions about dating deal breakers okay i'm going to give you a scenario so tell me you're giving this person a shot or you're breaking it off okay okay your sister doesn't vibe with him i'll give him a shot

wait wait wait older or younger sister both okay we don't have a say even with my brothers we don't like of course we'll say a little something but we don't dictate like we just want them to be happy we'll just peep from afar does Hallie in the past have a big opinion on the guys you date of course okay my sister will vocalize it louder than I would she'll tell me and I'll be like oh why do

you think that I'll tell her she'll be like girl don't talk about my man like that and do you feel like when she says things you probably go the opposite direction of her when she's like I don't like this and you're no I'll just continue on the path I was going on collected as evidence yeah okay perfect he says I love you a month in I my first instinct is to say not but I am a sucker

for love and a guy has said that to me a month in and I fell for it no Chloe you got so happy for a second i was like he loves you and you're like okay wait i have been like oh my gosh it's love at first sight you just have this strong emotion towards me of course it's real but that's

also love bombing that is love and then you're like stop out of it yeah yeah yeah you're like but it is not oh my god okay so we're like we're working on that he says he'd rather stay in with you then go out in public ah shot because i'm not going out with him in public love that for you he doesn't introduce you to his family until a year into dating not i'm a family girl i want to

be around your family i don't want to feel like i'm hidden from your family like the public is different but your family then you might have one two or three around them it's a good point yeah

it's like a year is a little long like what are we doing like if i don't meet any of your family within the three months what are we doing yeah he has cheated in past relationships but says he has changed shot i feel people will change for the right person i don't agree with the whole like once a cheater always a cheater i don't agree with that either but if it's been multiple relationships you got to keep an eye out sometimes or they just might have not been the right one so it depends okay he won't share his location oh shot i'm not sharing my location you're not

going through my phone i'm not going through yours this is the thing about me i set boundaries for myself if you give me your location i will be looking every moment i can get and i will be freaking myself out if i see you down the cbs that

the street and i'm like oh he's with such and such at cvs just don't give it to me you're like just help me help you yeah don't give it to me i'm not giving you mine oh i like that i work i don't want you popping up on me at my place of work trying to be romantic got it oh i like that we obviously

been referencing the mixtape resurrection producer timberland first of all congratulations thank you um we've been talking about success and what success looks like but that is just like it's pretty freaking cool insane what was the inspiration behind this mixtape so it's crazy

it always starts with me posting my production videos online have mercy this I've always been such a huge fan of Timbaland and even on my album in pieces I got a Missy Elliott feature and I've never been shy of crediting them to my experimenting with my production it was around a quiet time I was just making music and the momentum kind of died went away and I was just doing Legos making beats at home my god mom again she goes all I see are pictures pictures pictures why don't you show what I see you doing online she's like what happened to your production videos I'm like you know what you're right fine so I start posting my production videos again I post one you know I'm like oh let me write a couple lyrics to it you know I'm making music anyways I'll just do this for Instagram I made this rough song called keep watching I posted got like 12k comments went around Timbaland comments oh this is hard something like that he DMs me oh are you doing something with this I'd love to hop on it I was like I'm not it was just for Instagram but if you want to do something else I was like let's do a beat video together so I sent him a beat he gave me his number I texted him the beat he sent me his back a month later we filmed the video people were like tripping out he facetimes me while i'm in saint lucia making music yo so i have this idea how about we do a project together would you be down for that and we could make it just like this i was like yeah keep sending me whatever i make music almost every day so he'd send me the beats i'd write to them he'd send me the beats i send it back to him and we made this full project even like probably 10 more songs along with this in two months all not in person oh so you guys have

just been vibing like sending it back and forth and just coming up with this like incredible piece

of art uh-huh congratulations that's really incredible thank you and the crazy thing is the guy who mixed my very first solo album chris i didn't know he mixed all of uh timbaland's records so he was like i have this guy such and such and i was like he was my mix for my first album so it kind of like brought all of us back together and he's currently mixing my third album right now so but everything just sonically sounds as one because one is the same mixer two it just was free-flowing we didn't think anything was really gonna come of it he he called sherman he's like yo you think we could get this done blah blah she's like yeah she put it together and here it is

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cultural twin cities of St. Croix, you'll find yourself swept away by the rhythm of the islands. So why wait? Start planning your escape today and visit usvi.com. Okay, so you're just making music every single day casually. You're also acting. Like, you have your new movie that's out called Strong. What can you tell us about this movie?

I shot this movie in Cape Town in South Africa for three months and I'm really proud of this movie like I'm the one who likes sitting at the edge of my seat I love the mess it's a little bit of

all of that plus music I was gonna say there is a lot of um deceit and lying in this movie that I feel like that's why I was like asking you a little about deceit and lying I love it because it's like there is a little bit of overlap what drew you to the role i loved the role of layla

it was also the mess am i even gonna lie i was gagged the twists and the turns my whole team

and i were talking about it we were like so then you think you know what's happening and then you don't and then and then and then and then and then what was the most fun part of filming in cape town

the stunts i'm an adrenaline junkie girl i've always wanted to be like a superhero or just a bad you know like because I love doing the stunts I'm an adrenaline junkie for real I think that

was my favorite part I think it's so incredible when I get to sit down with women and it's like you started in this industry doing what you loved and just doing it like I'm gonna you know throw our videos up and you know your sister was like we're I'll press record hope this works for you guys and then to see literally you like slowly just continue to establish yourself and yes you've had so many high highs but i think what's really impressive about you is like kind of what we talked about today which i think is really relatable it's like finding your balance though in the midst of the high highs or the low lows is how you can sustain in an industry like this which clearly you are finding your way and you're doing and so to be an actress to be a singer um to have a very famous public relationship with your sister and also to be able to both individually have solo careers like you're navigating so much and you're doing such an incredible job thank you

and you as well though like i'm so proud of everything that you stand for and the platform that you give women to speak on and what kind of makes me feel less of like hmm like oh it's my life in the public whatever everyone's going through shit everyone has problems and sometimes i'll hear them and be like and i was upset about this so i think it makes me feel better knowing that when i'm walking into a room i'm not the only one going through something and it makes me appreciate people more too such a good point and if they do hurt you you can kind of understand where it came from and realize that it wasn't you it was something they were dealing with internally because a lot of times our first thought is it's me i'm a burden i made them react this way i'm not good enough and okay my therapist told me this before and i share it a lot with all my people i'm close with is the stepping on your toe analogy have you heard that no okay if you're walking and you step on someone's toe you don't go oh my gosh i'm horrible i stepped on someone's toe i'm a piece of right you know you don't go get out my way you were in my way that's why i stepped on your toe no you go hey you know what i'm really sorry i stepped on your toe i can't promise it won't happen again because accidents happen but i'm really sorry that wasn't my intention and you keep it pushing right that's how i've been approaching life now because i used to be the the person to be like oh my gosh i'm horrible nobody likes me this the world is ending so now i take life at the stepping on the toe analogy and sometimes it's hard don't get me wrong like

i'm mentally there but my emotions won't catch up yeah but i love it because what you're also saying and it goes all the way back to the beginning of our conversation was like in you turning 28 and in as women us just continuing to it's not even about getting older it's like learning more about ourselves experiencing more life getting to know what we like what we don't like learning our voice and how to use it like we just said like we talked about going from being a people pleaser to like actually being like wait I can say no and even if that makes people uncomfortable those people probably shouldn't be in my life like there's so much that we continue to gain as we just continue to go through these experiences, even if they're hard.

And I think your life and your story, and I just wanted to say thank you for sharing today because so many themes that we kind of tapped into, I think are so applicable for a woman watching today and just everything that you've done. Like, I can't wait to continue to follow your career. Thank you. I'm so happy for you. We're all going to keep following and with the movie and the mixtape and then the album. And like, obviously, we don't know if, you know, you and Hallie will be doing another thing together at some point but there's so much good coming for you and i wish i receive that oh i wish you the best 28th year thank you you are really gonna eat 28 28 thank you for coming on Call Her Daddy. Thank you for having me. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Bright by Scotch Bright. Daddy gang, a lot of us obviously take pride in where we live, right? We want the decor to look good and then we want the lighting and the cleaning and all of it. And you want it to look spotless and you want it to look really nice, right? So level up your clean routine with Bright's line of sponges. Use the palm scrubber with a comfy grip for serious scrubs, the easy to fill leak-proof dish wand to keep hands out of the mess or the scrub and wipe for a scrubbing side and a sud-sing side. All three look good, scrub great and they come with handy drain and dry stands that are super compact and cute. Hook yourself up. Boost it with Bright. Shop now.

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