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okay let's get started hey josh welcome to conan o'brien needs a fan hi how you doing hey how are you josh i am fantastic um i'm i'm i'm nervous you shouldn't be no you shouldn't be nervous josh we're just people well david and sona are just people but you shouldn't be nervous because it's two people and a living God. There it is.

Right, right. So no pressure at all. No pressure at all. Just two regular folk.

I've just been a fan for 30 years. Oh, wow. Well, Josh, so nice to chat with you. You're coming to us from Liverpool, New York. I didn't know there was a Liverpool, New York. So that's upstate? There is, yeah. Yeah, upstate, Syracuse. Okay, very good. And you forge blades. Is that correct?

That's true. Yeah, I'm a professional bladesmith.

You're a bladesmith. I didn't know it was called bladesmith. I love that. Yeah. I love a knife. I'm going to tell you up front right now, Josh. I do. I really do love a knife. Yeah, he does. Yeah. I love a knife. I love it when I need to do something and there happens to be a knife in my pocket. You know what I mean? No, I don't know why everyone's laughing. I'm not laughing. I have seen it. I agree with you.

I'm really happy. That seems like the knife that really would suit you. What's that? Well, you know, a little tiny, you know, a little pocket knife, like in a, uh, and maybe like in the nail clippers, you know, you flick out that thing in the nail clippers and he's not nervous anymore. You're complimenting him.

He just, he literally drove a knife through your heart. Yeah.

Yeah. His, Hey, his finest blade is the one he just slipped between my fifth and sixth rib.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

I had to do that. Well, uh, nicely done, Josh, I guess. Um.

I don't want to create an adversarial environment. Oh, you don't? You don't? You don't?

No, I don't. You don't? No. That was a weird choice then. Yeah. I'll get on Conan's good side. Yeah, it was. Okay, let's talk about, because I don't know anything about knives, really how they're made. And I wonder how you got into this. Tell us the origin story of Josh Frost up in Liverpool, New York. What happened? How did you start making blades?

Right. So I was working in middle management, uh, in sales and, um, I mean, it was not that extreme, I think, but, uh, I just wanted a nice knife and I found out that, that I did some research and I found out that really nice knives were between three and $10,000. So yeah.

Why is that?

Uh, for a number of different reasons. Uh, it can be for the materials. It can be for the craftsmanship, the provenance of the knife who made it. but also the difficulty in constructing the knife. Right. There are a number of different materials that you can use and processes that exist, but not all knives are created equal. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Different types of steel make one type or another.

You have to blend sometimes materials. You've got a certain kind of steel in there but then a different kind of steel and then you put a little tungsten in there and then you put a little, right?

You like melt it and stuff?

Is that true? Am I describing this correctly? No, I don't. Hey, Josh, I asked you how a knife is made. And then I go off talking about... I know you guys are trying to figure it out.

my theory of how knives are made when I'm talking to a man who makes knives. You said tungsten. Right. So, no. Can I just say various polymers? You can, actually. Well, alloys. You can say alloys. Alloys! David, I'm an ally. And I love alloys. My problem is... Ally. Go ahead. It can get really nerdy. so i'm just gonna like go over the right place okay so all right you need i i think uh it says in my notes that you claim there's only three things you need to make a knife tell us what those three things are so you need to forge a knife so you can you uh i think any asshole can just put a knife you know put a piece of steel on a on a file and just file the metal away and kind of make the general knife shaped object uh-huh this is one asshole who could not do that Right, but you could. And I could teach you how to do it. I represent a giant swath of assholes, and I would not be able to do that. Right. You would be putting polymers and tungsten in it. Yeah, polymers. Let's put some epoxy in there. I put polydent in there, an adhesive for dentures. We'll squirt some glue on it. Oh, yeah, yeah. That'll help. Okay, so you need a heat source to forge a knife. So you need steel, which is something like this. This is what my knives are made of. And what I'm showing is about an inch and a half by a quarter inch bar of steel. This particular steel is called shirigami white paper number two. And it's probably my favorite blade steel to forge and make knives out of. Is it come from Japan? It does, yes. Okay, that's a guess. Hitachi. If it was O'Callaghan grade seven steel, I've got some of that in my shop. That's a Dublin, that's a Dublin knife. Hey, I gotta have the Okada hands to you. So you need a heat source. And you need a heat source. Because it's got to be heated up to forging temperature, which is about, it varies, but it's right around 1800 degrees Fahrenheit. What's the surface of the sun? What's the temperature of the surface of the sun? I don't know off the face of my, 4500 degrees, something like that. Is it 4500 degrees? Eduardo's looking it up. But I just, I think it's really cool. What's that? It's warm. Oh, that's the southern Illinois scientist over there. Yes, what do you got? 5,500 degrees Celsius. 5,500 degrees Celsius. Okay. 55. So that would be... So we all know. That would be a good heat source, I guess. Of course, it powers the planet. So, yes. Yeah, so you just need a spaceship. Yeah, of course. So you need a heat source, and you need something like a hammer. This is one I made. I like my own blacksmithing, bladesmithing hammers. That's a cool-looking hammer. It's like Lil Thor carries that hammer Yeah there you go Lil Thor I know you couldn't swing this I know you couldn't swing this

Conan but I've got a smaller one Like this where it would probably be easier for you to Swing Josh what's going on here What's going on I came to you in friendship You say you're a big fan And yet the disses are flying You always tell people you're looking out for your girlish figure So I want to make sure that I That I that I uh that I uh you know cater to that desire I understand well I so yeah yeah what I'm saying is I'm looking out for a girlish figure you know what I mean okay um so yeah no you need an anvil you need something to smash the steel yes you need a hard surface uh a couple of hammers uh uh heat source now you have risen in the ranks you are proud you're a master bladesmith how do you become a master bladesmith i am not oh you're not a master bladesmith unfortunately no i'm a i'm a journeyman you're a journeyman bladesmith oh i see this is my fault this is not the researcher's fault uh you you present you have to in order to become a journeyman you have to you're rated by master bladesmiths is that correct right that's correct so after you uh you join the american bladesmith society as an apprentice and you have to go through schooling and learning and all that other good stuff and then you have to test to see whether or not you've acquired enough knowledge and skill to proceed to the journeyman bladesmith level so the the tests are are really rigorous what you have to do is you have to build a knife it's a 10 inch long blade actually i have mine um let's check it out this is the this is the test knife that i made oh it's got a curved it's like a scimitar it cuts around corners now but yeah yeah if your foe is just if your foe or right or the watermelon you're slicing is just around a corner this is the blade for you but i did i didn't make this uh curve myself deliberately so oh that was a mistake was that a mistake that no

No, that was from the testing.

Oh, I see.

So what you have to do is you have to make a blade that can first cut through a one-inch rope in one swipe. Then it has to chop through two 2x4s entirely. Oof. Then it has to shave hair after because, you know, the chopping of the 2x4s would dull a knife with a bad heat treatment. And so you have to shave hair with it. And then— What hair do you choose to shave? I chose my arm hair. Can you choose any hair to shave?

I think so. You could, yeah. Could you, in front of the master bladesmith's manscape with your blade? It's a question. It's a valid question. Drop trow. It's a valid question.

Time to test the knife. Drop trow. It's a show of confidence. Yes, it's a show of confidence. I think that would be a great strategy.

I would drop trow and I'd say, it's time to go to work on the old Don Johnson.

All right, watch this. I'm not scared at all It might not be that kind of crowd Bladesmithing folks are

Boo Bunch of squares

You just want to see a bunch of dicks at this thing Hey

If I go to a journeyman bladesmith contest And I'm not seeing dicks Something's wrong Something's wrong But I say that about everything I watch the great British

I think there are dicks there, there's something wrong.

No, I watched the Great British Bake Off and I say, where are the cocks? What, no dicks? They're making scones and I'm not seeing cock? What the fuck? Okay, so. All right, let's reign it in. And Josh, Josh, you took us down a really dirty road there. And that's what I do. That was all Josh?

Who brought up manscaping? Anyway, he started it, he started it.

He started it with his little knife comments. Now we know where he is. Here we go. So you got to shave.

You got to be able to shave the hair.

Okay, got it.

Yeah. Then you stick the knife into a vice, and you have to bend it 90 degrees. So the blade has to be in a knife, and you have to take the handle and bend it over. That just ruins the knife, doesn't it? Well, no. I mean, it doesn't. It does if your knife is a piece of crap and breaks. But this, I mean, I kept this just for nostalgia purposes. I could heat this back up straighten it out and refinish it and it would be just fine there are no cracks in it there's no there's no other stresses in there so but I choose to keep it like this obviously for sentimental value sure I'd straighten it if I were you

I'd straighten it

it's a nice blade and you've got it you know

cool it's a cool memory I have other

straighten it out fix it fix the knife okay

cool memory it's nice

I literally do have an OC thing going on right now where I'm like, I want that knife fixed.

But it's a nice memento from when he had to do this test. Isn't that cool?

Oh, yeah, yeah. You know what I did? I was, someone let me borrow a BMW, a really nice one, and I backed it up into a fence and it cracked it up. But I keep it that way just for sentimental values.

Not the same thing. It is the same thing. That didn't make you a journeyman.

I'm just saying, fix the knife.

It bothers me that right now it's bent. You didn't crash a car. i'll make i'll make a deal with you if you come out here to my forge and and get your hands dirty and get in the fire i will let you hammer on that knife and straighten it okay okay that's a good deal

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No, you will straighten the knife Okay That sounds cool I'll put it in the fire You will take this hammer Well, I do have a smaller hammer again You know, in case you have the problem Thank you Oh, my arms are so weak.

Yeah, my tiny hammer.

And I'll teach you how to do it, and you can straighten the knife out for me, thereby alleviating all of the OCD problems you have with my bent knife. Yeah.

Josh, the time has come for you to tell me, do you think I'd be any good at this? Could I learn this? Because I think it would be nice to have a manly skill. At the moment, I do not have any manly skills. I have some unmanly skills, but you know what I'm saying? Is this something I could learn? Do I have the qualities of a good bladesmith?

Absolutely. Absolutely. And it's shocking how many people have a natural aptitude for forging. I was just teaching a student three days ago who was worried, scared of the forge. It's a big hot.

scary thing you know and you're beating on this glowing incandescent piece of steel and you know what the hell you're doing but with just a little bit of instruction it just comes out i don't know there's a weird thing it's one of the reasons why i really like the anachronistic stuff of pre pre-industrial uh you know humanity yeah um because i i don't just do knives i'm a beekeeper i i weave my own yarn i crochet i knit i i mean the list just goes on and on burn witches um i don't i like witches all the old fun stuff all the old fun stuff but yes absolutely you can do it you absolutely can do it so if you don't if you don't if you don't do it with me do it somewhere else no no i i like what you're made of see how it come out i do think that you know a guy who

comes to mind uh who i admire greatly is nick offerman a talented uh actor just a wonderful man he's really good at making things that he can make a canoe yeah he can uh you know he can build a house he builds beautiful furniture i've been to uh his house and and he just will point to some of the furniture that's just gorgeous and he's like oh yeah i've made that i i'm just so uh

you know well there's something cool too like when he said he made swords i was like is it like back in the you know yeah you're banging yeah they're wearing an apron and they're just banging

on it. It sounds like it's the same. Do you wear an apron? That's exactly what it is. Yeah. Is it a leather apron? Yes, it is. Yeah. I thought and I made it myself. Yeah. Oh, my God. So yeah, it's a leather apron and I made it. But yeah, my my swordsmithing is is I do it. I do all I do bladesmithing and swordsmithing and and tool work and tooling, blacksmithing. So, OK, I am into

knives and uh if i was going to get a knife purchase a knife from you do you sell them yeah i do okay if i was to purchase a knife from you which i think is highly uh probable i want a knife what kind of you can't have a knife what kind of knife do you think i would be

looking for well the if you were to purchase a knife from me we would have to all all the people who buy my knives are collectors and and i make them custom one at a time i don't i don't just uh I don't make one-off knives, although I do have my signature knives that I make. You don't have an Etsy store? I don't, no. Oh, okay. All of my business is word of mouth. All of the work is done custom, so I would talk to you about it, and I would say, you know, what are the qualities of the knife? How are you going to use it? That's very important because you could have, like, kitchen cutlery or a camping knife or, you know, a fighting knife if you want to get into that kind of stuff, which I really highly doubt.

Yeah, I don't think, I mean, I would like, I don't want to fight someone else who has a knife. I'd fight someone. Right, so like this. I would fight someone if I had a knife and they didn't.

You'd have, that's a cool knife for you, Cones.

This knife is a fighter. So it's one of the, this is one of my signature blades. Beautiful. So that's a fighting knife.

And because it's a podcast, tell us it's a, it looks to be, it's smaller than a Bowie knife, right?

It's about, it's about the size of a Bowie, but it's a fighting knife. So the, so the, the taper is, is tighter towards the, towards the tip for better penetration, I guess you would say. It's got a, a coffin guard, a stainless coffin guard and nickel silver bolster. it's got koa uh handle with a nickel silver pin uh for the mechanical connection between the

handle and the knife thanks but see that's a knife that uh that's uh that's it's a fantastic knife you want a sword no i don't want a sword um and i i'll just reveal this now my friend Joel McHale uh wonderful fellow um beloved by all by some um Joel loves knives swords all kinds of stuff like that and so for a long time he's been gifting me the most dangerous things in the world I think sometimes they're illegal yeah he'll gift me like a switchblade that shoots out of the handle which I don't think is oh yeah in the United States but I love it and I have them I always you know, cause I have had young kids for a long time. And I, so I would hide them all over the house away from kids. Um, and sometimes to fool the kids that would put them in the chest of toys. Cause I think that's the last place you're going to look, which turned out not to be true. They would go to their toy chest all the time. So there were those murders to clean up but i i uh i have a ton of knives from joel and i can see the appeal uh but i do think the most useful thing for me is a blade that can go

in your pocket it's because i'm not someone who wants to be carrying a knife around in a sheath you know what i mean that's just not going to happen right that's well if i was walking in a forest that was filled with bears then maybe or how about your belt look i make these little guys

oh that's cool and this this is a is what's called a blacksmith knife so there's um there's no like handle material this these are the kind of knives that blacksmiths would hammer out just as like whittling knives or you know whatever the case is it's got a metal

handle it's got no wood it's got a little

loop it's all one piece so it's all one piece so this is the this is the blade part and this part right here I don't know you probably can't see because my camera's crappy but it comes all the way down and then it loops up and then there's another curl right in here it's a very sweet design to facilitate you being able to hold it in your hand and so it doesn't cut you when you stab somebody with it does that did I say that not stab somebody no you said it when you use it to poke at things you said when you

when it's when you it's a good it's anything to have when you kill and kill again is what you said

let's go stabbing

over a wide swath of the Pacific Northwest yeah

Sona would have a totally different knife though what would you Sona would have a different knife yeah okay so I think about Sona as like this you know beautiful dark curvaceous person easy buddy easy buddy that will literally slice you open and shit inside your heart. Yes!

That really just is exactly... Oh! That's cool. That's good for shitting.

What? What are you talking about?

Good for shitting? What are you talking about?

Because he said I sliced a guy open and shit in his heart. So I'm just saying that's good for shitting.

The amount of thought that would have to go into, I'm gonna kill him, but first I need to eat a big Thanksgiving dinner and wait about nine hours and have a lot of coffee.

I know.

You stay right there. Yes. Is this Boston market? I would like a three Thanksgiving dinners brought over. Eat immediately. And some coffee, lots of black coffee. And you stay right there. Hey, victim, stay right there. Oh, I got some shit coming your way. So, Josh. But yeah, anyway, a Karambit. That's the knife. Oh, that is a cool knife. It's a cool knife. And it looks like a feather. I mean, you're very, you're an artist. You are an artist. So cool.

Very, very cool.

Do you? I'm honored. I mean, yeah, I just think, here's the thing that's been deadly for your business, the TSA. So many times. Right. So many times someone will give me a knife and I, what I don't want to do is, uh, you know, forget and it's in my pocket and then bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. And then you have to either you're tackled or you have to give it to them and they take it. I mean, there was a period of time there where I would forget because I used to, I loved carrying around the knife and it comes in so handy, but you know, you go to the airport, you're in a hurry. Um, and it's like, oh, shit, you know, I've got my knife. I forgot I have my knife with me and my gun and my sword that I hide in a cane. You don't want to do that. My ninja throwing stars. I mean, I would forget all that stuff's in my pocket.

No.

And that's a big...

Put it in your check-in bag. You should put it in your check-in bag.

I try not to check. I almost do carry on.

I know, but you can't have knives and weapons and stuff.

No, no, I'm, listen, I'm totally down with the TSA and TSA, I salute you. It's good work you do. And you know what? Sometimes I go back again for an extra pat down, if you know what I'm saying. and you know, a man gets lonely. No, so I've said, you know what? I'm not satisfied.

So sad. I am not satisfied.

Sir, I am not satisfied. I'd like you to work me over one more time and really get in there.

Put the glove on, let's go cabbie.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Buy me a drink first. All my TSA stuff is so good. All because of your clock at night. It's all so funny. But I think you are very talented. These look like, and I salute you because you know how to do something. We live in a world where increasingly people don't know how to do things other than scroll their little devices. And I'm so impressed by that. I'm so impressed by what you're doing. And how do we, do you have a website or anything? How do people find, look at your wares?

I do, but it's a janky website. that's old that doesn't get really updated very much. Yes, it's from Medieval Times. Do you have a gram? Right, pretty much. I don't, do I? Yes. Can I say you're a terrible businessman?

Yeah, this is awful. He's giving you an opportunity.

I speak to a huge audience who has a very successful podcast. I'm asking you, well, how does one get these? I say, well, that's a whole other story.

Let me see if he can help you. You got to go up there younger where the crick is. It's a Wix site, so it's J. Frost Knives. Let's see. Let's see if I can find it. Oh, he forgets it. You're trying to find your own site. You can't remember your own site. Yeah, I don't have it. Okay, well, listen. You know, somebody wants to You're going to be dead in that house six weeks before they find you. I think it's frostknives.com, I think. Frostknives.com. It's J. Frost Knives. Is it J. Frost or Frost Knives? J. Frost or Frost Knives? Wix site. J. Frost. You know what? Anyone listening, don't even try to look these up. Do not buy these knives. You have to be punished for your... And you know what? You're going to learn over time. I was handed an amazing business opportunity anyone else would die for. Yeah. And you were like, I don't know. Website, hmm. Well, there's one. No, that's not it. I don't know. It used to be. Let's see. Okay, it doesn't matter. What's he doing now? Now he's just looking at pornography. Oh, yeah, I really am. He took a break to look at pornography. Kona's upsetting me. I need to...

This is knife porn.

Yeah. Ooh, good knife porn. There must be knife porn.

It's people being sliced open and shitting in each other.

There is knife porn, and it's not fun. Okay, Josh, your time is up. Don't do it. Josh. I salute you. It's so nice to meet you.

What is your website? He was looking for it.

Yeah. When a man can't find, that's like you can't find your own asshole with a map, you know? If you can't find your own website, it's come full circle now for the fingernail clipper knife poke I had at him earlier. It's a full circle.

You can't find your website.

You don't deserve to have a room. Uh-oh, look at him. Look at him drinking his bad businessman juice. Oh, here we go. Josh, I salute you. I really do. I think you're funny. You're a cool guy. and I think these knives look awesome and if I ever find a way to look at them, I might buy one.

Yeah.

I really thought you guys had a link already. Oh, is that our fault? We'll do a pickup. Okay. Yeah. Well, the fact, no, we won't. Okay. Let's not do a pickup. No way. But I want people to hear what a terrible businessman Josh is.

They will. We'll find it.

Touch nothing. You know, we show people every wart. Josh, you take care and continue your fine work and I'll see you on the flip-flop. I hope we meet in person. I hope so too. Thanks very much for having me. Take care, man.

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If you're not laughing listening to Conan and Sona, then enter the Super Troopers to the rescue. Vermont's finest and most shockingly offensive highway patrol officers return to the big screen in Super Troopers 3. In this latest installment of the cult comedy classic, Rod Farber's engagement to Thorny's sister spirals out of control. A debaucherous bachelor party, a wedding that Thorny's desperate to stop, and a dangerous drug smuggling ring all threaten the troops' friendships and future. So if you need laughs, don't listen to us. Fill your liter of cola, grab your buds, and roll up to the multiplex for Super Trooper 3 only in theaters August 7th. Get tickets, meow.