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Hi, my name is Molly Shannon, and I feel proud and cool to be Conan O'Brien's friend.

Whoa, okay. No, you're not. I don't think I generate a cool vibe Yes, you do Really?

Oh, yeah, of course Are you kidding? The coolest Fall is here

Hear the yell Back to school Ring the bell Brand new shoes Walkin' loose Climb the fence Books and pens I can tell that we are gonna be friends Yes, I can tell that we are gonna be friends

Hey there. Welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend. I'm joined by Sonam Avsessian. Hello. And of course, Mr. Gourley. How are you, sir? I'm well. How are you? I'm really good. Although we did discover recently that the chair I'm in makes noises.

Yeah, it does.

Are we going to oil this chair? What's going on?

I am not the person.

Did we find out what's wrong with this chair?

I'm actually, I will say, Jason Chlemy and I are ahead of the game. We already switched that chair out for you. So this is a new chair that doesn't make noise.

But I just interviewed a very famous celebrity. Yes. And while I was talking to him, I heard,

Yes.

We all thought it was a phone. It sounded like a very old Jimmy Stewart at an auction.

Oh, God. I can't buy that.

But what was going on? Who would allow a chair like that to even be in this room? Well, we're not exactly, we don't test the chairs every day beforehand. This is why you didn't get that job at NASA. We don't test the rockets.

That's why.

We didn't test them. Yeah. I mean, we kind of operate, in this studio, we kind of operate on a oh when it breaks then we fix it versus being ahead of the game we kind

of wait for something bad to happen i don't know i you just looped eduardo into your failure oh no and uh okay fine and that's not no no i go by that yeah let's just make sure we have the proper

equipment for break uh everyone looked at the clock to see how much more time we have during this segment when i started speaking by the way yeah well i do it to just mark when to wrap i

wasn't oh i see yeah blay i like you and i appreciate it i didn't look i don't look at

the clock i just look for something that i can hurt myself with just made it so awkward yeah

like we want you to just stop talking but we tell you that but everybody just looked at the clock

about it literally you all look as soon as i started speaking everyone looked at the clock oh no they didn't i didn't look at the clock you did you all looked over there i do this is on

video we keep her of the time that's my job it's nothing personal okay but now now you've talked a

lot okay yeah okay now i'm looking at the clock a lot apologize your chair is fixed it's fixed but

it did make a big noise and it was a big problem uh-huh another big problem that needs to be fixed right over there i'm sorry you're saying that this institution is literally not a well-oiled machine exactly it is not um we had a topic um and then we went down this primrose path i'm sorry what were we talking about i can't remember why don't we just start over no no this is fine just will you not shut up when did you decide wait when did you decide that you needed to steer the podcast left and right i got this i got this what a madman leave leave the man alone he does a lot here i'm i know he does a lot yeah yeah yeah yeah sort of the unabomber Okay, so we had, I'm talking to you now, Matt. Me. Let's see if Interjectee can just settle down for a second.

What about me?

You're good, okay? We'll get to you. We had a topic that we agreed on before we started.

Yeah, we were going to talk about the fact that Sona's sons have learned to swim.

Oh my God. That was the topic? Full disclosure, we sat around for five minutes. That was the topic?

Are we trying to think of something? That was the topic that made us say, Hallelujah.

She brought it up and you went, okay, let's go.

I know, you did. I just was saying it. You approved it.

Wow. You know what's looking tempting right now? Blaze multi-volume discussion of squeaking chairs. Part four. Chapter one. But, okay, so let's commit to this and see if there's something there. So, Sona, word on the street is that your twin sons learned to swim?

Yeah, Charlie and Mikey can swim now.

Okay.

No floaties needed, baby.

What was the process?

They went to classes and had an instructor one-on-one and they taught them what to do and they did it.

Wow. Well, that's a good story.

I've got a story.

No, but I have one too. Do you want to hear about how I learned to swim?

That's what I was going to say. I want to learn how you learned.

Let me show you how you tell a story about swimming. We went, they made a promise that the swimming would be learned. It was learned and all was done. No conflict. No conflict, no plot point. and then everyone was happy. And then long credits. 40 minute credits.

We did have a little bit of a conflict. Oh, good. This is how you tell a story. You didn't want to lead with that? They were learning how to swim in this one pool and then they thought they could only swim in that one pool. Oh, you took them someplace else and they thought... So then when I took them home or took them to another pool, they were like, this is not the pool we swim in.

They took site-specific swimming lessons.

Yeah, yeah. It only works in that one pool. Yeah, yeah. I can understand that. That's sweet. um when i was a little kid growing up and i think i've mentioned this before uh we didn't have a summer house or anything but we would stay at my grandfather's summer cottage he had a small house uh near the state beach in misquamaca rhode island and so all of us the giant o'brien clan would cram into my uh grandparents house and that was our favorite thing we'd go there for like a month in august and we would go down to the beach and it was time for us to learn swimming how to how to swim and my mother signed us up for red cross classes that they taught in um this marshy area that was near the uh near the state beach you know not the most appetizing body of water

it was like a salt marsh uh this is where you're gonna learn to yeah and you'd like you'd climb

through some, some tall reeds, maybe be attacked by a crane. And, you know, it had that boggy smell, methane-y smell. But anyway, we'd all gather. Of course, my mother, I would burn constantly. And so she would just put white t-shirts on us, which we now know just attracts more sun. And I would get giant blisters on my back. I'm just picturing these little

red children walking into a swamp. I was so red. I don't even think they had come out with sunblock

yet. This is, you know, the early 1970s. So she put, I think she just put mayonnaise on our faces and then I'd be attacked by these marsh animals. So I'm sitting there like cross-legged and this woman would lecture us and then she would say whose turn it was to go in. And the first thing she wanted us to learn was how to float on our back. And I remember she would always read through all our names when we had to say present, but she would always say the same thing. She would go, Conan O'Brien, C-O-N-O-N, Conan O'Brien. And then on the ride home, my brother Neil would go, conan o'brien conan o'brien and i was sit there burning like shivering because you get like blisters and then you're shivering uh and and covered in just like a methane-y bog smell and still like a uh you know some kind of some kind of marsh bird still nestled in my shirt and um that was my traumatic introduction But I do thank the Red Cross for teaching me how to float on my back, which I can do to this day, which I can do to this day. And yes, you have a story.

Oh, well, a year ago when we hired a swimming instructor for my daughter, Glenn. And so it's the first time she's coming over. We've we've never met her. She's a wonderful young woman. Comes over, gets out of her day clothes into a leopard print.

one piece, very attractive young woman. Wow. Sits there. None of us have entered the backyard yet. And she's just sitting there in the pool. Turns out she's in our neighbor's pool. And the mother of the neighbors comes out and it's like, what is this woman? She went to the wrong house. She went to the wrong house. What is this? Is my husband having an affair? What is this woman in a leopard print bathing suit doing in our pool? And she came over, she figured it out and came

over. She's like, I'm so sorry. I just, I just went to your neighbors and the wife was there and she thought maybe I was having an affair or something. Can I just say

this is the excuse I use every time Liza catches me cheating. Every time. Who's this bikini bimbo in our backyard? Swimming structure. Who mistakenly came to our home? I say that every time. And Liza goes, Oh my God. So how did the lessons go? fine after that okay and we're she and i are very close now i bet you are yeah uh listen the important thing is it started off with us not knowing what to say and uh and blay you did try to help and i appreciate that um you know you you stumbled and bumbled as most large forest bears do yes i'm sorry but you did help you got us and then i think my anger towards you caused me to come up suddenly remember this story oh yeah maybe it was me prompting you guys with some

good premise could have been but don't we always say let's just go we'll figure it out but also

it was sona's inability to tell a good story that i think at a panic i rose to the occasion and then you rose to the occasion so sona you helped too you're welcome all right my guest today is a hilarious actress who was a cast member on saturday night live now you can see her alongside will ferrell in the new netflix comedy series the hawk this woman is one of my all-time favorite human beings and i'm thrilled she's back on the podcast molly shannon welcome molly uh listen i've known you a long time you're gonna listen to me now i don't always said listen Listen here. I've known you a long time. Now you listen to me. I'm a huge admirer of yours. You have the best energy. Molly just walked into this building and just made everybody happy.

It's sunshine.

But that's the effect you have on people. You were talking to everyone. You were talking about how much you loved the building. You were hugging me. You were hugging our booker, Paula Davis.

I got a hug. Aw, yes.

Even you got a hug.

Yeah.

Even you.

Come on.

I always feel like we have, oh, here's your coffee. Oh, my gosh. Let's have this coffee come in. Thank you very much, Maddie. Thank you. And you're fired. Thank you so much, Maddie. So I've always felt like a kinship with you, Molly. And I don't know if I'm correct in saying any of this, but we both are Irish stock. Catholic. Yes. Irish Catholic. Yeah. Okay. And I used to watch you, you know, over the years when I first was watching you on SNL. And I would notice that you would just throw yourself around with absolute careless abandon, often into stacked chairs, classroom chairs, as Mary Kathleen Gallagher, you know. And at the time, I remember thinking, well, those must be made of foam. And then I found out later, no, they're just the same chairs they use in a classroom, which are the most dangerous thing in the world you can throw yourself into.

Yeah, yeah.

I would see you do that, and I would think, oh, I too, if I think it will get a laugh, will do something, would throw myself into a pile of nails if I thought people would laugh.

Yeah, yeah.

And I thought, this Molly Shannon, I don't know, it's just always made me very curious about you, and I've always felt like we're quasi-related. Yeah.

Is that possible? I know it could be possible.

How Catholic were you growing up?

Very Catholic. My dad was really, you know, yeah, we went to church all the time and he was very, I would say very religious, you know? Yeah, yeah. He believed that you shouldn't have sex before marriage or you should put your marriage certificate above the bed, like that type of Catholic. Oh, my God. Interesting, right? Yeah, yeah. He felt like you shouldn't live with somebody before you were married. Yeah. Well, that would be my parents as well. Your parents too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

They were both very Catholic. Yeah. In almost a 19th century way, you know, like it felt like. And they were both very smart. My parents were both very smart people who lived in the modern world, but came from this 19th century idea, I think, a little bit of how one should.

should conduct oneself. That's I love that old fashioned values. I was going to say, but regarding the Mary Catherine stuff, I feel at that time I was much crazier and more reckless and it felt a little bit like I didn't care. And I wouldn't even feel pain when I was doing it. I would feel nothing. I would feel it the next day, but I couldn't. Yes, the next day. Isn't that like I wake up bruised and cut and I could not feel it in the moment at all. So my wife would

always notice like I'm getting out of the shower and I would just my whole leg would be yellow and purple. And she'd say, what is that? And I'd go, huh? And then I'd remember, oh, right. We had a water buffalo on set and I jumped on it and I got thrown off of it. You know, I would remember these things and it didn't hurt as much at the time because I was getting all the adrenaline of people laughing. Ha ha ha ha. Orange man fell down. And then you didn't even notice you were bruised. No, you don't really think about that stuff. And then later on, you'd notice this leg won't work. I'm just walking in circles. Did you, I think you used to watch mass on television because I remember that being a fixture when I was staying at my grandfather's house, he would have the mass on, my grandmother and grandfather would have the mass on television. And I remember being kind of fascinated by that because sometimes it was the only thing that came in. This is before cable and you would just watch whatever came in like, Oh, we're getting reception on this one channel it's a catholic mass let's check it out it beats going outside and playing like other

people yeah my sister mary and i would watch the mass for shut-ins they called it and we would count and they would show people going up to communion and we would try to get the wafer to get the wafer we would we would guess how many people were wearing glasses

and so it was i mean today you were you were looking into the future because today that's the kind of stuff people bet online about they can you can make any kind of bet and that's the

kind of thing people would bet online about now my friend's son started polymarket oh you're kidding yeah that must be going quite well wisdom of the crowd right yeah i know it's amazing but i was going to say and then we would watch this other show called Davy and Goliath right after

do you remember that of course I remember Davy and Goliath it was claymation yeah and it was it was a boy named Davy and his dog was named Goliath and Goliath would be like I don't know Davy that doesn't sound like a good idea and they were made I think by the Catholic archdiocese yes and they were a little morality tales and so it was always you know this claymation boy yeah saying I'm going to go over there and, you know, throw paint against that wall. I don't know, Davey. Oh, there they are. There's Davey and Goliath. Oh, my gosh, that's so cool. Yeah. I love that show. So that show was weird. Some of the episodes were very strange.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll have to go back and look at it, but I remember.

Let me refresh your memory.

Okay.

I'm glad you brought this up. There's one. My brother Neil and I howled for days about this. We were watching it. And Davey and the whole family is on a camping trip. And Davey finds this beautiful spring, like a little watering hole that all the animals are drinking at. And it's just beautiful. And Davey finds a can of red paint. And he pours it into the watering hole and says, look, I made a giant strawberry shake. Ha, ha, ha. And of course, the dog goes, I don't know, Davey. And then you see all the animals. Yeah, you see all the animals try to drink out of it, and they can't.

Do they die?

And I think they're going to die. And the father has a stern talk with Davey. And I thought, Davey's a sociopath. That's amazing. That's really messed up. I'm going to put plutonium in this water supply. So no one in New York can have a drink of water. And anyone who does will die. I don't know, Davey. That's an act of terrorism. Anyway, I'm sorry.

I went on a jag there. I love it. Wait, Conan, do you, are you like, do you consider yourself an extrovert, extrovert? Or do you ever have time when you're not performing, like not being bruised, waking up bruised, where you're just like, have to be quiet and just reading or are you? Well, I do like to read. I was just curious about that. It's a funny thing where I want to

say I'm a, I'm, you can be both. It's a weird thing, but you can be an insane extrovert, which I can be. And then there are other times where, you know, people come to the door and I just kind of want to stay in my room because you almost feel a shyness. Like, I don't want to turn that guy on right now. But I would say most of the time, it's weird. You can be both. I'm guessing

you're both. I'm both. Jack Nicholson used to say when he would go out in public, he would have to be the mayor you have to be the mayor oh hello everybody you know like really and i'm like that's a good way to put it yes i'm definitely both i love being around people i'm like you and i i get energy from people but i can be by myself for hours and be completely entertained hiking and being quiet yeah so i think i'm an extrovert introvert maybe yeah i think you can be both

i just spent a weekend and it was my wife was out of town and i just it was me and my two dogs because my kids are both you know uh out of town and i just spent my whole weekend either reading a book or walking with the dogs and then i came in today and i can't stop talking i know that's

amazing and it's been a problem they want to sedate me you've been alone yeah so do you feel like giddy when you're by yourself at the dog's house like i'm really happy myself yeah i'm really happy i can do whatever i want yeah and how long do you sit and read how long can you if you have

the luxury of time oh i would read for hours if i could you know i mean with breaks yes with because uh and i blame apps apps have shortened my reading uh time but um as long as i take a little break um i can i can read a lot and i like it makes me really happy yeah the world cup is all about what's next the future of the sport the player nobody saw coming who suddenly becomes a star very exciting hyundai official partner of the 2026 fifa world cup believes the next starts now yeah yeah you ever think about that how the next starts now i think about it all the time me too now personally i don't know what's next for me i hope it's that i become inventor of some amazing piece of tech oh boy and uh yeah it explodes and i become this legendary tech uh ceo giant okay but i'm just waiting around for that to happen yeah i'm not good at tech and i don't know anything about it you have trouble with all tech yeah i do but for hyundai they're not like me they're not sitting around waiting for some impossible thing to happen They're building it now.

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With a little bit of a glass of milk.

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He was like that. No, he just, he really thought street smarts were like a great thing, you know, learning how to make a buck and make it in the world. And school, he would say, if I had a big exam and I was stressed out in high school, he would say, can't you get a, call in sick and get a copy of the test so you can go in the next day. So he really did not care about school. He was so laid back. And, yeah, he was much more into street smarts. Isn't that interesting?

It's fascinating.

And then, yeah, so he didn't mind. And then if we went to the amusement park, like, he's like, okay, if you guys clean out that backyard, I'll take you to Geauga Lake, this local amusement park in Cleveland. And then, but then when we got there, he was like, I don't really want to have to pay. So he was like, can you guys sneak in? Oh, my gosh. Hop over the fence. And we were like, but there's barbed wire to go around. and he was like just do it do it it'll be an adventure you know what it's so funny because he didn't want to pay

it's funny that he's defining this as street smart I know these are just crimes these are crimes these are just crimes these are crimes this is all illegal

but it must have

I mean

he was wild he was fun or we would go to the movies right he didn't I've told these stories before but we would we would go to the movie and then after like the mall or whatever they would have those gates that they would pull down like at Spencer's Gifts or the wig store or whatever and then we saw a wig store coming out of the movies at the mall and he was like stick your little hand in there and try to pull out

of the wig

and it was like Molly you have a little wrist to it

he thought it was the claw game that you'd get in an arcade it's like that you just reach your hand in it and if you can get it you can that's a jewelry store but if you can

get your hand in there you get to keep it so I'd pull like wig wig wig from me and him and my friend Anna and we'd put them on and we'd die I'm laughing, running out of the mall with our wigs on.

No one will ever catch us, they said, leaving the mall wearing three crazy wigs. Arrest that man in a beehive hairdo.

No, there is 100 crazy stories like that. He was wild. He was a rule breaker. But yes, he was traditional. But understand, the Catholic stuff was a little messed up because he ended up admitting right before he died, I said, have you ever thought you might be gay? And he was like, most definitely. Oh, wow. And, um, so I think he was conflicted with his, what he's not alive to say what he would have been, whether it be bisexual, homosexual, but I did say, have you ever thought you might be gay when he was dying of cancer? 72, we were sitting at the Four Seasons Hotel. I was on a press jacket. He's like, most definitely. And then we talked all about it. So I think the closeted homosexuality or bisexuality was mixed up with the Catholic stuff. Does that make sense? Of course it does. Yeah. Because he couldn't fully be who he wanted to be. So I think he had anger about that, not being able to express himself.

Yeah. And then it comes out your elbow. This is a phrase I've always thought that I've heard used, which is, if you can't admit some essential truth about yourself, you think you can suppress it, but it's coming out in some way.

Yes, yes, exactly.

And that means stealing wigs through a grave.

Exactly.

You, I heard one story that you and one of your friends used to go to a hospital to eat food for free. How would you do that?

That's so fun. Well, that's kind of like.

Oh, this one's fun. Oh, yeah.

No, I don't think we did it. No, we didn't. We would pay for the food, but it was kind of like, I still feel that way. It was if you've kind of felt in a little bit of a rut, I would do, I would try to throw myself into a different atmosphere. like oh let's go let's just go up to the hospital and we'll get lunch and we'll get like cream of broccoli soup and a split of tuna fish salad sandwich and we can watch the doctors and it felt inspiring to be in a different type of atmosphere I still feel that same I still feel that same way and when I would when I was first in LA and I was struggling as an actress I would get kind of depressed because I was like oh this is so hard it's such a hustle I didn't realize how hard it was so when i felt in kind of a blue mood i would drive to ontario california and i would go to the wilford academy school of beauty and let the young students do my hair and i would get breakfast at molly's and then i would feel better kind of throwing myself in a new atmosphere right i think it's traveling but like little cheap ways to kind of Thank you. open your mind. Yes. There is this concept among neurologists, you have to just keep challenging your brain. You have to just keep changing it up. And then one of the problems is people get into a rut and they're not challenged. So it sounds like almost the ultimate way to say, I'm going to go to, I'm going to hang out with some scuba divers just to see what that's all about. Exactly. Even though I haven't passed any classes and I could easily die underwater. I'm just going to try it. Well, I love reading about brain science

stuff. And I do think if you do feel in that state, sometimes an action can help you kind of get out of your head. And I think, yeah, so I love reading about that. Also, if you ever felt like, you know, angry or something, if you do, or kind of supercharged, if you do a math problem, also like a subtraction problem in your head, that can also calm down your amygdala. Or if you, I just love the idea of thoughts and how you can change your thoughts and stuff to do to help you get out of a little rut or something. Does that make sense? I love reading about that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Every now and then I'll be doing something and a friend said, well, this doesn't seem very like you. And I think, well, that's good.

Yeah, yeah.

Because I want to try.

Like what kind of thing, for example?

Well, I don't talk about it much on the show, but for years I drive a motorcycle. I ride a motorcycle and people don't know that. And I do it kind of like, I just like, and you can be another person, you can put on a helmet and then you can just go. And as long as you have a credit card in your pocket, you can pay for gas and you can go anywhere. And sometimes I just feel like I'm a different person when I'm doing that. And I take off for most of a day and come back. And I, it's very therapeutic because I'm being someone else for a while, which I really like.

Yes, I love that.

I also kill people at random.

Oh, my God.

No, you can. You can. If it's completely random, nothing links you to the crime. And then you get away, but you have that feeling of like, I'm choking the life out of you. You know what I mean? And then you run a little quick burial, shallow grave, and then you run away. And then you just feel like I was just that guy for a while. I've done that second one a lot.

Oh, my God.

And I lied about the motorcycle. I mostly just killed. Oh, my God. Anyway, try it. You're going to really like it. Okay, okay. I know that you were here to talk about this project that you're doing with Will Ferrell. Yes. And you two have such a unique chemistry and relationship that just goes back. Yes. Had you worked together before SNL? No. Or was SNL the time that you came together?

Oh, that was the time we came together. I worked at Melrose Baking Company, and Will was in the Groundlings Comedy School across the street. And we had a mutual friend named Patricia Cotter, and she said, Molly, I really think you're going to get along great with this guy, Will Ferrell. And I was like, bring him over to the coffee shop. So he came over, and I was like, nice to meet you, and what do you want? And he was like, I'll have a scone and a latte. And then we just started talking, and we became friends. We've been friends for over 30 years. We did click right away, just like she said. And I got on SNL first, and Will came shortly after. Yeah, we just right away was like clicked so much and have been really close, close friends for so long.

And then you're on SNL together and everything else happens.

Yeah. And I really did feel like the press was kind of behind. And when we all first started, all us newcomers, they were kind of like, you know, really hard on us. And I remember thinking, wow, the press is really behind. They're just kind of copying old press. And Will, to take the, like, to not feel bad, he would hang up the worst reviews about himself on his office door. Oh, man. Isn't that wild to just kind of take the, you know, to not feel ashamed about it? Sure. And I was like, God, good for him. I could never do that. But I remember thinking they're wrong and they don't, these people are really good. I'm like, this is good. So it helped me understand the press a little bit where I was like, wow, they're like outside and haven't caught up yet.

I remember first hearing about Will and someone said, oh yeah, I've been hanging out with this new cast member, Will Ferrell. And at the end of the season, he was dressed as a character on some sketch and he decided to just keep wearing the costume. Yes. And I don't know if it was like a, you know, like a boiler suit or some kind of over-the-top weird costume, but he wore it for weeks and weeks. And a friend of mine said, yeah, I saw him at the National History Museum, and he's still wearing that outfit. And I said, I don't know who that guy is, but I love that guy.

And this is before I knew him. Yeah, I'm thanking the character. I know he loves doing that kind of stuff, and it's so – he's really just entertaining himself. And it's just so he is so fun. And he's so creative. And I think Will, too, is more serious, too, than people would expect. Like we know his big comedy. Yeah, but I know his more serious side and it's so nice. Yeah, it's a real drag. Yeah, it's awful. No, I know what you mean. Do you know what I mean? I think what's tough and I think it's the same thing with you too is people would assume you or Will are just kooky all the time and over-the-top entertainment machines and both of you are very soulful, real people. You have a very serious side to you.

Yes, yes, very.

And do you find that there are people when they first meet you who think they're going to meet the Molly Shannon who's going to throw herself into a bunch of chairs and then they find someone who's really talking to them seriously about an issue?

Probably, yeah. I think I am more serious. I really like to get to know people and if I have time. And I think I'm more a one-on-one and I think I'm shyer than people would think, too. But, yeah, I do feel that a little bit, too. yeah and the whole thing too with critics like what you were saying too i feel like i'm very conscious too of like god you could so easily you know the whole like showbiz is such a hustle and i just don't like getting into that thing of like going back like you're good you're bad you're good you're bad i think i can really repeat like childhood patterns and so i try to be healthier you know when you think about life and how lucky we are to be healthy i just i just don't i don't really worry about i try not to get into that too much don't you think having a family helps oh my god it helps so much it's just my everything like i'm just so glad i'm alive to be there and do it it's it affects every decision in my life my children i want to be there i love being a mom that's my number one so it may it makes showbiz less ah i'm very real i'm pretty late

very laid back about it i would say you have yeah yeah you have like a solid foundation like a solid basement foundation of this is what matters yes yeah other stuff can come and go yeah and i feel

Like, I just don't want to do that to myself, like rile myself up like that, like never feeling good enough or that you're only as good as your last thing. I'm like, oh, enough. You know, I want to I feel like I'm proud of myself and I try not to have to need that so much from the outside. Does that make sense? Yeah. Otherwise, it just feels so unhealthy. And I feel like there can be a nice place to be healthy and be creative and not like not not worry too much about that. Yeah. I worked hard in therapy to not rile myself up like that.

What kind of therapy did you do?

I mean, I've done EMDR. And do you know what that is?

No, I just said, look like I know what's going on.

It's more for like trauma where you do like bilateral stimulation. So if you were nervous, you do the beep, beep, beep, beep, like the little, there's like a buzzer where you would, you would hold the buzzer and you go back into, you would, you could pick like supercharged moments in your life. like a top five where you're like, and feeling scared or whatever. And the bilateral stimulation kind of will bring it from like a 10 to like a three. So you slowly kind of can reprocess this trauma. And so it really, it's great. Did you ever do cognitive?

Cognitive? I mean, yes, yes. Cognitive is so fascinating because they say, if you have a good imagination, it can be great. Or you also have a great imagination for bad things yeah my my career is over i suck i'm terrible yeah all these things david writes

to me every day yeah every morning just little memos yeah but i start to spiral and go down

and one of the things i learned is write it all down on a piece of paper walk away from it for 10 minutes come back and then read the piece of paper during a worry time yeah and you read it and like i'm the worst person who ever lived and i go well no stalin was bad Hitler I mean yes I'm bad but I'm not that bad and then you know you find evidence contrary to the beliefs but also a lot of the things you've written down just look silly you know like they just look ridiculous and so I find that to be um and it's helped me talk to my kids if they have anxiety that's all these little tools but I'm always looking for the another thing you know because you okay I've got those tools but I'm always looking for the next thing yes I love that

I love that kind of stuff, though, but that does make sense, the act of writing it, that you can put it aside, and then when you go back and look at it, you're like, yeah, I just read a great book called Social Anxiety for the Overthinker, and it talked about that same thing, and I love that kind of stuff. i talked to myself out loud one of my kids overheard me i'm i don't want to talk they're private and stuff but i was talking to myself in my office and that one of them overheard me and i was like just going through these files it was kind of a tedious and i was like you're doing a great job malls out loud and one of my kids heard me and they were like yeah they yelled up in the house you're doing a great job malls but i i wasn't aware that i was doing like a kind of Long Island.

coat talk literally talking to myself out loud telling myself i was doing a good job lady i don't know it just came out you're doing a great job malz but no i love i love positive self-talk creative visualization i feel like life is hard like any tools that can help you for me it's exercise like i have to i feel like i'm in great shape but it's not really about exercise it's about. It just makes me feel so happy. So good. I sleep better. It just makes me relax. Do you do

this? Because exercise releases all these endorphins. And so what I have found is I'll get on a treadmill and I'll run really hard. It's like, wow, I did. I just did 40 minutes on the treadmill. Really, you know, really going all out and I'm sweating and I get off of it and I'm, I'm euphoric. I am euphoric. And when I've been on the treadmill, I've had all these ideas and It's like, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to learn how to play the oboe and I'm going to become a really good oboe player. Like I'll come up with all these ideas for what I want to do and I'm going to take a woodworking course and I'm going to build a sideboard and give it to my wife on our anniversary. It's going to be made out of maple. And then I'll play the oboe while she's open. I'll have all these ideas and I'll start looking up stuff online like oboe classes, carpentry classes. And then I get in my car, I drive here to the studio I get to work and I think I don't want to do any of that. I don't want to do any of that because my heart rate came down and all of this great stuff that gets released. So I have learned don't make any calls. Yeah. Don't make any plans after the exercise period. Just wait a little bit. But

it feels so good. Yeah. Yeah. That is so I love it. That's great. That I love that you have that

inspiration, though. And while you're if I ever call you right after a workout, just don't listen to me because I'm going to say like you and I should get married we should leave our spouses and marry each other and I'm going to take a woodworking course and I'm going to build you a house Molly it's going to be the bestest house you ever saw that is so funny and then I get to work and your husband's like what the fuck man I'm sorry man I just had a really good exercise

session and I love Molly Conan where do you get your work drive from like how did you speak to me directly when you were fresh out of college like is that from your dad or your mom

work was prioritized when I was a kid, but I don't think all of us learn that lesson in my family, but I certainly, I don't know. I, I, uh, I decided, I remember kind of thinking like in fourth grade, like I'm just gonna, I didn't know what I was good at. I had no idea that I'd be good at anything. So I just decided, well, if I work really hard, that'll make up for the fact that I'm not good at anything. I remember thinking that. And so I just started, it's not a cool, you started off by saying, oh, I feel so cool. I'm not a cool person. I just worked really hard when I was a kid in a way that makes me a little sad now. I'm really worried about stuff. And the way I combated my anxiety was to prepare really hard for things. And then that yielded these benefits. And then people later on said, you're really smart. And I thought, I think I just work really hard. So, but I have, I have a work ethic, uh, and I like to make things and I like to work with people and make things. And, um, so I think that's, that's kind of just part of who I am now.

That's great. Sometimes I think about show business. I'm like, you have to be crazy. It's like, I think like, you know, you're from Boston, I'm from Cleveland. Like, I just think, oh my God, what did I think coming out here, not knowing anybody? Like, you have to be kind of crazy to think that you're going to, come on, let's, you know, you have to, don't you think? Yeah, no, I do. I mean, if you really were to, if I were to really have known how much work it would be and what I would have to do in the somersaults and backflips and what was going to, I'm like, oh, my God, I can't believe I did it, you know?

No, when I look back now. Do you feel that way? Yes, of course. I look back now and I think we graduated from this really good school and I did well. And I was like, okay, well, I'm going to L.A. with my friend Greg. Like, we took a People's Express flight out there. Oh, my God. I don't know if you know. People's Express was like, if you had no money, you flew People's Express. You gave them some cash. There was no, you know, it was like flying.

You gave them the credit card on the plane.

Yeah, it was like flying a barn. You could get on a barn and fly. They put wings on a barn and you flew to L.A. We took a red eye and Greg Daniels, who's gone on to create every great show. He did okay. He did fine. Yeah, he did fine. I go to Greg for loans. um we just had this goofy existence but i the only thing i can say is it was like a salmon

swimming upstream yeah and did you come out you guys lease an apartment for a year and just did you take jobs while you were taking comedy classes we did uh well we

had a we had an entry-level job we had a job at uh this show it was on cable was on hbo back when if you wanted to watch hbo you checked into a hotel or a motel because no one i knew had hbo but we worked on this show called not necessarily the news and we had a sort of a entry-level job at that but then we would take other jobs um i took some kooky other jobs so did you come out

with just a small amount of money, too?

I love your podcast. This is fantastic. I know. I love doing the Molly Sennem podcast.

I was like, I have so many questions for all of you.

Did I do what?

Did you come out with like $3,000 or did you have this? How much money did you come out with to LA?

I can't remember what I had. I don't, I didn't, we knew that we had this gig. We just didn't know if it was going to last.

Okay.

So we were under the impression that we were on like a three-week tryout, I think. We just didn't know. Yeah. And so we came out very ready to leave immediately or that was what we kind of told ourselves. This isn't working. We can do something else. But I remember thinking, I'm not leaving.

That's so great. I love that. I didn't know all that.

And I kept thinking, I just want to have a girlfriend. That was the part. Yeah. And no one would talk to me. That's so sweet. Well, it's just very sad. Let's talk about the hawk because you and Will Ferrell are together.

Yes.

And again, which is as it should be, will is out there doing all kinds of insane stunts which i love this is the will we love to see he's out there 100 committing to being the hawk yes who is this down and out aging pga golfer yeah and uh you are his ex-wife and tell us a little bit about that relationship i'm kind of

frustrated with him because i feel disappointed i'm like oh these nutty golfers and you know i i kind of regret i'm like i just don't i'm being very hard on him and he was great in the past he was great in the past in his glory days but now i'm like oh god i'm so sick of your bullshit you know i'm really tough and i kind of want to do my own thing and not rely on him and i want to pull myself out of this these world of golfers these crazy it's all consuming that world yeah how they can compartmentalize things and and um but we have a son but yeah so but we really do love one another We're just kind of in a little rocky period, but we truly do love one another deep down. And yeah, it's about our relationship, our family. And we have a son who's a pro golfer.

And who's really good.

Who's really good. Yes, he's excellent. So yeah, so it's just that whole world. And yeah, we had a blast shooting it. It was so much fun.

I am just going to imagine that when you two get together for a project, it's right back to could be the third week at SNL that you're together.

Exactly. It is like that.

There's a lot of tomfoolery, chicanery.

Yes, yes, yes.

Skullduggery.

Yeah. We had one day where we were shooting and there was a little stunt woman who was hired and her name's Sandy Gimple. But Will said, he was like, Molly, did you see when Sandy was taking a rest on the ground during when we weren't shooting? I was like, well, of course I noticed. You know, she's like flat on the ground sleeping. And we notice the same things that we think are funny or, you know, it's just it's an absolute joy. We talk about our kids. I'm really close to Will's mom and dad. Will was really close to my dad. It just feels like family, in all honesty. And Will is so professional. This is what I always tell people. He is the most professional, most prepared, most thoughtful. You know, just like, he's just the best. You better be on your A game because he, Ferrell is ready to go.

But see, that's another misconception. People would see a Will Ferrell or you, Molly, and they would think, well, they're just wacky and they get together and they're crazy together and then they roll it. they don't understand that there's just an immense amount of preparation and professionalism that's required to get to that space and then there can be some improvisation but that's like the frosting

on the cupcake yes exactly he's sitting there and he's like looking at his uh-huh and he can look at the scene and go yeah we could lose that i guess i could cut that you know he's looking at the writing very technically and excellent you know so it is just all those things but he is there before everyone ready to go and memorizes really fast too. Like he'll have these giant scenes where I'm like, wow, you, you, you started memorizing that last night. That's hard. You know, he's just a pro. And, um, so it just feels so fun. It's just working, working with your friend and it's just, it's the greatest. I feel like there's no greater joy than when you get to work with people you love. It just doesn't even feel like work. That's truly how I feel.

Well, that's how it, you know, it's so many people in the world have to do a job that they don't maybe love or have a connection to.

Yeah, yeah.

And anyone who gets to do anything like what we're doing, and it's not just in the arts or in comedy or entertainment, it's just, you know, people that really love what they do. That is the ultimate gift.

It is the ultimate.

Greatest way to go through life.

Yeah, and you should never.

think it's so important to not but to enjoy where you are and not be like oh i'm only as good as this last thing it's it's it's just i i try to come with age though it comes with age i try to just enjoy like i'm like if you can't be happy i i had a you know when you think about life how precious it is and health i just think i don't want to live like that anymore i i had a my childhood was up and down you're good you're bad you're good you're bad it's like i'm not gonna do that anymore i don't like that this life's too short so what i want to say is yes it makes you appreciate i don't like buying into that you're only as good as your last thing i think if you do work that is meaningful to you and you love it that's all that matters because like i said i've seen people become superstars who feel like they're only as good as their last movie and i'm like i don't want to live like that like if they're like that i should just enjoy my level where i am

because there is do you know what i'm saying of course well there's also there's a lot we can't control yes so if you're quote only as good as your last thing that you did you have very little control over that yeah you know there have been things i've been involved in that i thought were just the most amazing thing ever and it didn't no one talks to me about it doesn't go anywhere and then there are other things where everyone just loved it and i don't remember the difference there's just other currents things that are happening this is a very this isn't i'll say this you came in with this energy okay this i'm not you're not being punished you look very upset no no you can't you come with this energy that i'm just going to call this is going to sound very la and crunchy but you come in with this energy that's very healing true and and very positive uh and i just absolutely uh love talking to you uh you have always been i mean you you came on my show so many times through over the years you would always come on and be just outrageously entertaining but i also knew that you were the highest quality person you really are and so to have you and and you coming in today and just everybody is irradiated in this molly shannon glow yeah it's a it's a lovely thing well you know thank you conan that

mean so much well i i feel like i could almost get choked up you know that i feel the same way about you and i remember two years ago you were so nice conan's exactly the same all the time like you treat everyone with respect and kindness and you make everyone feel good you have that ability that gift you were that way with my father but i wanted to say too that um if i get fucked up about comedy or thinking too much about competition or sure everybody has it when he's doing that i I just think when I really want to get back to be grounded, I think really I do it to make people feel good. Like I like when people feel happier. They're like, I love that. That is really all it's about. You won't get fucked up. It's a it's I'm an entertainer. It is a giving. It is. Do you know what I'm saying? And if you think about it that way, like a service almost, then you're not going to be so self-centered about it. Does that make sense? Yes. And I want to enjoy my life on earth as an artist, not be like, you know, I don't want to be that way.

competitive or you know what i mean exactly i do know what you mean um but i still want others to fail you know i'm saying i want people who aren't me in comedy to fail wait is that not that is the complete opposite i agreed with what molly said and all i'm adding is no no no but i want others

to fail no you missed the point completely i want to do better because not because of my own

abilities, I want them to fail so that I rise. I see. You see what I'm saying? No, still completely.

Okay, well, whatever. I think we pretty much said the same thing. It's okay. Conan, listen, getting back to the Irish thing, because my Irish thing was that my dad could be tough, you know, this and that. My mom died when I was little. So much of me getting into it was a bit of a painful thing. Like my dad really would have loved to have been an actor. My mom died. I thought, well, if I get famous enough, I'll bring my mom back from the dead. It was very sad stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I still have to ask myself, do you really still want to do this? Is this really you? Do you, do you, you know, I really have to check in with that, you know. But that's my point going back to the Irish stuff of it was it had some dark stuff. Of course it does. You know what I mean?

Really dark.

Do you relate to that?

But also, of course I do. Yeah. Yes. There's also the, am I doing this because in some way I'm not well, like what's the whole wanting to make everyone laugh is there an unhealthy part of this is there a part of this which is uh revenge like i can make everyone happy because maybe some people weren't happy but now i'll make everyone happy and is this unhealthy and if you get healthy does that mean you can't do this anymore all the dark stuff i had i just got my star on the hollywood walk of Yes, and congratulations, and Will gave the speech.

Will gave the speech.

But I was going to say, I get very shy when people have to show up from me. That makes me shy. I can go be a celebrity by myself, all alone. But if people have to come for me, I get like, oh, God, I'm going to disappoint you. Or even at SNL. Will would always bring tons of friends to the show. He'd have like, oh, you know, he has so many friends. And I was always like, I would prefer strangers because I felt like if a friend's going to come, they're going to get disappointed and they're going to want to leave.

This is me. I mean, everything you're saying is if there's a thing where people, which hasn't happened a lot, but something like the Twain Award where people come for Conan O'Brien, I was mortified. Really mortified that like people, I don't want people to have to get, no, they're flying in, they're flying in. No, and they're going to prepare, they have to prepare stuff. And I had done it for other people and felt fine doing that because I loved the people I was showing up for. Yeah. But I couldn't see it the other way. So I was kind of mortified. Yeah. And then everything you're saying, I always, when I was doing the late night show or any show and people were like, yeah, and guess what? Your friends. I'm like, no, no. What do you mean they're here? Oh, no. Now the show has to really be good. Yeah.

Because if it's a stranger, it's like there's nothing. Yeah. Yeah. When I would do SNL, if I did invite a friend, I have to give them a list of rules. I was like, don't, you know, because they'd be like more Molly. And I was like, oh, my God, like, really don't. If you knew a hard about it, you're just going to make me feel bad. so I had like a list of rules like save it you can't save this like I already am hard on myself like so no more more Molly in the show it's like the love course

my least favorite is occasionally there's an etiquette when you come off a show I know first of all you're always going to be great but no matter what oh my god great show Molly that's what you do and that's what you would say to me if I came off stage I love people that come up and go how do you think it went oh my god is that right yeah I've had it going How do you think it went? I don't know. How do you think it went? I'm just curious what you thought. Oh, well, I guess I should get out of the business. All right, we have to wrap this up. Okay. But Molly, I adore you. I love you. You're so great. And you live in this neighborhood. So can we get lunch? Wouldn't that be nice? Let's do a lunch sometime.

Yes, it will be very serious.

Serious lunch.

No joking, Conan. No bits. So serious.

I'm going to break you down, baby.

No bits.

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no bits no bits

it's like a it's like a no shoes no shirt no service no bits

can you do it I think I can do it deadly serious so get ready

it's gonna be my dinner with Molly like my dinner it's just gonna be the same thing like serious all right

this was a joy a pleasure I love this office Conan what could be better everyone loves you I mean this is thank you so much That is so nice. Everybody loves you. Thank you. That is so nice. Molly Shannon day is a fun day.

I've tried to start shit, you know, start saying, I've said shit about you to try and get negative stuff out there. And it doesn't take.

No, no, no.

No, when people, I'm just like, you know, Molly Shannon, I think she's kind of like, no, what?

Yeah. He talks so much shit about you. Yeah.

And it doesn't take. It won't take.

That's hysterical.

I'm going to try again later today.

Yeah. Good luck. All right. Thank you for having me. Wow. Yes.

my assistant david hopping has entered the room and you have an announcement to make you said

yes so um i do not know what this is by the way oh you're i think i think you're gonna like it

so your doctor just called every once in a while he says the tests are back and you're hilarious

no um okay so every once in a while i will get tagged in different tiktoks about conan and last night i opened up tiktok and i had like a bunch of notifications so i clicked it and we all know toy story 5 just came out and you play smarty pants there is an entire side of tiktok that find themselves attracted to smarty pants and it's not like just a few these videos have like over a hundred thousand likes each and all the comments are about how weird it is to be attracted to a potty training toy and i sent eduardo some of them to pull up to show you

let's check this out multiple levels hold on

oh god it says it says hear me out a hundred and forty eight thousand likes on that video

Oh, my God. Excuse me.

Does it not occur to you that maybe this was my intention when I brought this character to life? No kidding. Yeah.

Walk us through your process.

Well, I have a lot of riz, I think is what the kids say. Is that right, Sona?

I don't know. I'm not well. You're not well? This is so gross and disturbing.

I didn't see this one coming. I have to be honest. I tried it. You guys say I tried for a second to go with it. Yeah. I'd be like, yes. And then I realized I can't.

Oh, there's more? Oh, here we go.

Here we go. Here we go.

You want Smarty Jam? Oh, God. No. The internet needs to go away.

I know you're not supposed to kink shame, but shame on you.

No, yeah. For this, we can kink shame.

Really? This is kink shameable.

This is kink shameable. You are a potty training toy in a children's movie. And people are like, what? Like, what? What are we doing? Like, there's so many hot cartoon characters out there. David.

Oh, you do tell.

There's a lot of hot cartoon characters out there.

Are you saying, so you're saying it's not just that I'm a cartoon character, it's that there are other far more worthy sexual characters. Yes. Let's hear who they are.

Off the top of my head? I mean, this is not in a cartoon, but recently I was reading a comic book and I was like, when did Superman get like this hot? Like, there's been a lot of illustrated characters I have responded to recently. I just, I can't think off the top. But not fucking Smarty Pants. Not that. That is ridiculous. I'm sorry.

You can't see it. What about the, there's a section where Smarty Pants has my hair. You know, it's a dream sequence, a fantasy sequence.

Are you asking me if them adding one of your characteristics makes it more attractive to me?

That's my, yes. Yes, Senator. That is my question.

The answer is a hard no. and it's uh it's even the gentleman from boston will yield his time

i yield my time and i also asked for a weapon to kill myself i know that doesn't usually happen in a senate subcommittee hearing no but if there's a weapon present i will use it we'll go into a warm bath arrested no this is weird okay so i don't know no uh david give us your thoughts because you know you discovered this i was shocked whenever i clicked on it to see what this was yeah yeah um well uh i don't know

what to say uh the world is not well no i mean there's hot cartoon characters again you keep saying that i think we can all agree jessica rabbit is a hot broad we all want to bang right and then i like even me and i think that there's hot cartoon characters oh yeah no i want to bang her but i'm saying there's hot cartoon characters you are a pot we gotta think of another one who's

another hot cartoon character david you're probably thinking of someone uh any of the

like well i'm now i think i just had a stroke now we're gonna take a look in your psyche

Well, like Skeletor.

Skeletor. Like He-Man can get it.

He-Man?

Yeah.

He can get it?

Sure.

Scarlet from G.I. Joe.

Are you saying He-Man fucks? I think He-Man fucks. Guess what?

Skeletor fucks.

Skeletor doesn't fuck.

Jared Leto playing Skeletor?

He fucks, unfortunately. Skeletor is DTF. He bones. He bones. There you go. Nicely done. Nicely done, Blaine

No, I remember my friend had a thing for Gambit from X-Men That, like, he's hot

That's a cartoon character?

Yes, from X-Men Gambit But I just This is one of those things where you're like people don't need to post everything on the internet Because he's not a human That's the problem You're not a human

He's a machine

He's for kids Is he kind of a childlike? Well, I think he has many of my qualities So yeah, probably a little bit childlike It's just on many levels

I would do Woody before I did Smarty Pants, I think. Or Buzz Lightyear for sure can get it.

All I know is that a Vance... Well, you know, you can get him if you just go to the store. I only know...

For raking the Toy Story.

All I know is that a minivan packed with Disney lawyers... On their way. ...is driving from Anaheim to this podcast studio right now at 110 miles an hour. Absolutely.

And you know what?

Anyone who goes to see Toy Story 5 the day after this comes out is going to see just pixels where I used to be and a burn mark on the screen.

I think that's for the best.

We lost any chance of you being in the sixth one.

Actually, anybody that goes to see the movie is going to be put on a sex offender list from here on out and has to go door to door in their neighborhood.

No, they're going to stop the film the minute my character's about to come up and go,

All right, you perverts. We got you. Clear out. Clear out. Raid of Vice Raid. Clear out. You in the raincoat. Get out. Oh, man.

Oh, my God.

No, even Wall-E before Smarty Pants. I have a list.

I have a list. Now you're just being mean.

No, I'm not. Wall-E? Yeah. Wall-E is, like, sentient. And he got Eve.

And sensual, apparently. Yes.

No, he landed Eve. There's, like, a thing to him. There's a sensitivity. You know what? There's nothing about your character. That's just...

What are you talking about? I'm adorable.

I mean, you're talking about pee-pee and poo-poo most of the time. A lot of your humor is like pee-pee and poo-poo humor.

I based him on you. I saw what the character was and I said, oh, you want the Sona.

That's why this is happening. Those people up there putting this up are into some weird shit.

Well, listen, I think the only way to decide this matter is for everyone to go see Toy Story 5 in theaters now. And guess what? The van just turned around. The van just turned around. It just did a hard 180 and it's headed back to the Magic Castle.

Oh my God.

All right. Peace out.

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