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Hello everyone and welcome back to my show. I have to apologize. I messed up like a few days. I didn't put out the video, but guys, you know, when I go dark, that means that I'm absolutely investigating something, something big. It's going to be worth it. It's about Charlie Kirk. So just stay tuned for those episodes. Today, my guest is one of my favorite commentators, is like i want to say in the world when it gets to russia uh alexander mercuris is my guest many of you know him really well from the duran um alexander for my american audience uh people who are more charlie kirk oriented they probably don't know what you do tell me um a little bit

about you well thank you very much for those very kind words and those very generous words of introduction um elizabeth well um i um do with a with my colleague and friend alex christophero a uh news site which you can find on youtube which is called the duran we regularly every day do commentary about what is going on in the world i also have my own channel which is called after mine after myself alexander mercurius where i also do one long video every day looking at international affairs and of course the major crisis that's been going on in international affairs over the last few years has been the crisis between the west and russia we've also had the situation in the middle east but russian affairs have taken up a great deal of my time and perhaps it's what i'm most known for um i do cover other topics i am based in london i've had a complex career i'm originally greek i came to britain as a child in the 1960s i've lived here all my life i've been educated educated here i've done various different things in my life i've been a lawyer for a large part of it but now i do commentary and I do it from London so that's that's me basically awesome thank you so much yeah you

guys are one of my favorite when it gets to Russia because well number one number one you're fair you don't lean towards one way or another just like just say how it is which I absolutely ador and love so highly recommend you guys go and subscribe to Alexander's channel so yeah let's dive in what the heck is going on with Europe I mean it's a big question I know and it is probably very complicated but now they want to go to war with belarus i mean these people

never stop it's constant well on the duran we came up with this expression about people both in the united states and in europe who have control of foreign policy and about these people having no reverse gear that they get themselves into a situation of conflict and even as things begin to go wrong all around them, their only understanding of what to do is, instead of reversing, to put their foot on the accelerator. Now, in Europe, this is a very, very dangerous situation, because in Europe, we, of course, have a long history of fighting each other. We've had the two world wars of the 20th century. We've had many wars in our previous history. We have a massive tendency to mess up and to get ourselves into a terrible crisis and war. And unfortunately, we also have this pattern in Europe, which is that when Europe tends to come together, when we sort of coalesce and unify, we tend to then look to the one big major power in the east which is of course russia and we end up getting into a battle with with them and that always ends disastrously it's always a catastrophe for europe it was a catastrophe in the two world wars it was a catastrophe in the napoleonic wars whenever we have peace in europe it is basically a peace which russia is a part of whenever we have war in europe at least in the last 300 years it's always a war in which at some way and in some form we are fighting the russians and unfortunately and to the dismay of many people like myself we seem to have fallen back into that default position again we've had a unification of a sword in europe very unhealthy it's got many many problems

in my opinion is unsustainable over time but one of the things that keeps this project of European unity together is doing that thing that our ancestors also did fight Russia

you know it's very interesting because whenever there's peace it's almost like the peace and prosperity exists in a way because of russia because of cheap stuff that russia gives so it's almost like we hate you because you give us cheap stuff and we can build our economies like germany did on this cheap stuff and then we're gonna fight you and kill you because we can't have everything you have it's like what what is going on here absolute craziness oh you put it

You put it extremely well. I mean, one of the fundamental problems, the fundamental problem in the modern European system is that Europe consists of various countries, some of them quite, you know, population terms, quite big, but none of them matching Russia in terms of scale of resources and abundance and territory and population. So we have this strange attitude in Europe that, you know, we have to be superior to the Russians because if we're not superior to the Russians, well, they are going to dominate us because they're so big and they're so numerous and they're so powerful. So we have this ingrained superiority complex for the Russians. We also blatantly resent their power, which they inevitably have. because they're so big and their resources which explains their power but also makes it important that we maintain peace with them so we have this very strange very messed up attitude to the russians we are never able to sort of sit back relax say to ourselves well you know they are big they are powerful but really do they really want to go to war with us all the evidence suggests no let's sit down work things out with them sort out our trade we'll all get prosperous we'll all get have higher living standards no we can't do that we must fight them we must defeat them we must break them up we must get control of their resources because that's the only thing we

seem to know how to do. You're absolutely right. And, you know, it's so frustrating watching this game that is unfolding right now in Europe. And you know what's interesting? Europe is absolutely happy, excuse my language for such expressions, but they're absolutely happy being America's bitch. I mean, they are absolutely happy with it. And they are not happy with it being anyone else's bitch i mean you you saw that trump humiliated every single european leader in the cabinet every single one of them yet they meet putin and they are treated nicely it's always very diplomatic it's always very interesting conversation they don't want that but they are okay they hate trump secretly they all hate him but they are okay to tolerate all this that only shows me that there's much more going on behind the scenes. This is entrenched elites, you know, Epstein-Kloss, I call it, that are operating to finally get Russia under their control so they can control Russia's wealth for sure. But if you were to explain to my audience what the situation is today in Russia, because I know that Putin was just recently traveling in Belarus. So what are we facing here? Do you think that Russia is kind of bracing themselves for war with this psychopathic

maniacs in europe well first of all can i just say that's a very insightful set of points that you have just made because because of this hostility to russia this hatred of russia which at the same time we all know in europe that we don't have the resources to take them on by ourselves that obliges us to look to the americans to uh support us and to get us out of trouble when we do eventually get into trouble with the Russians. So that inevitably makes us exactly what you say, this very bad, unhealthy attitude of one and the same time dependence on the Americans and deep secret resentment of the Americans and of particularly their leader, Donald Trump. and by the way this is an ex extreme expression about how europeans always feel about

I mean, Donald Trump has a particular personality and we particularly like to dislike him. But I remember how in Europe people talked in very, very uncomplimentary ways, for example, about Ronald Reagan and other leaders in America, too. we've never really been comfortable with this situation but because our hatred for russia is so important we can't we can't let it go and we can't let america go and it'll probably be america eventually that lets us go but anyway turning to russia i was recently there i visited moscow and i visited skorf which is a city quite a long distance from moscow and one of the poorer cities in russia by the way and you have to reach thereby road and i have to say and i this is something that is completely new in my lifetime certainly if you are talking about moscow we are now in a completely unique situation in modern european history where living standards the general standard of living in Russia has at the very least equalized with that in Western Europe and in some categories might even have surpassed it and I think this is this is actually a revolutionary moment in European history I mean we always up to now in Europe whatever's gone wrong in our relations with the Russians we've always been able to tell ourselves well we are richer than them we are more advanced than them we have better technology than they do none of that is true anymore in in terms of technology the everyday use of technology they are well ahead of us now that is an astonishing thing and it's something that i think european leaders probably sense and understand and probably that makes them even more frightened and even more angry and explains an awful lot of what is going on now right yeah yeah now just to quickly say on the russian side the russians can see how hostile we are becoming i noticed a major shift in russian attitudes towards us and i'm not talking about elite people i'm talking i mean i spoke for example to workers who work in a bread factory they are now convinced that the west that europe at least is looking for war with russia yes and they're starting to make preparations they're preparing themselves

psychologically and they're preparing themselves materially for this war which are disastrously they now believe is going to come isn't that crazy i agree with you russians were never

anti-western like russian people always wanted to be just like americans and you know i i'm georgian born so i know russian really well and i understand russian nation really well so they were always almost like mimicking them and they wanted to be part of them but i think they got to this point where last hope was donald trump that trump was going to turn things around and he absolutely fails them again so now they are like okay well um i believe uh they called catherine uh catherine austin fitz told me uh lavrov said west is agreement incapable that's right which is true they are agreement incapable because every single time we invite russians on the table whether it's alaska or wherever we say things it's never gonna happen russians live up to their end and we completely fail and then we bamboozle our own nation here at home in america oh it's the russians we don't know what's wrong with freaking putin like what does putin want no he's very rational it's just what do we want is the deal we cannot figure out one day we wake up we want peace with iran next day we're bombing them again then we want peace again it's it's unreal alexander and even i who i i consider myself to be very knowledgeable in georgian affairs ukrainian affairs and russian affairs i just cannot freaking figure out what does the united

states government want anymore yeah yes now i get it just i just got to add something to that and i think it is important to say this which is that of course when i was in russia i talked about i talked to russians about europeans and i talked to russians about americans and

I found that there is a distinction that whilst the Russians, as a nation, have basically given up on Europe, they are very angry with Europe now. With America, at some level, there continues to be some residual hope that eventually some way forward will be found, despite all of the things that you've just discussed. And I got the sense that the Russians who know that they are a great power see America as another great power and that there is that still that level of respect that you find from the nation of one great power to the other. So there is that difference. But of course, what you just said about what is the United States doing? I think that's a very good question that Americans do need to ask themselves. Because what is happening is that America is being drawn into involvement with European quarrels and obsessions because the Europeans have a big issue with Russia, which is, as I say, a historic one. Because the Europeans have all sorts of, you know, psychological problems with the Russians, because the Europeans have all of these problems sorting out their own themselves. Why must that draw in the United States? It's not as if Russia is a communist country anymore, seeking to expand its ideology and anything of that kind. And it's striking when you are in Russia, the extent to which that is absolutely in the past now. So why is the United States getting itself involved, dangerously involved in what is ultimately a European quarrel?

You know, looking at the U.S. establishment, I always want to tell Russians, stop hoping. stop hoping because you know we are we don't belong to ourselves anymore i really believe that if there's not serious like revolutionary changes in the u.s nothing is going to change they i don't know whether trump was always part of them or somehow they managed to put this guy in a bubble where they control him completely but he's completely controlled that that's undeniable absolutely undeniable even with his out outbursts like he gets upset he gets mad but then he does exactly what they want so you know it's really hard to determine whether he's like playing the game or he just simply doesn't understand like who's in charge and in control i can tell you one thing though i had joe kent in my show and i asked him a very simple question Joe, who was in charge? And the answer was, that's a good question. I mean, when the head of counterintelligence says that, that says everything, Alexander.

Well, it is. Well, you're absolutely right. I mean, when you can't answer who is actually in control. Well, can I just say something? As a student of history and a student of politics, there is always someone somewhere who is in control. There is no, politics does not function inside a vacuum. And what you are describing is I think what many people can see, that the American government that we have today is a very layered thing. It's not what you see. That is actually what the government is. You have the president, you have all of the institutions that are created by the constitution but there are real processes of decision which are made elsewhere and i think that is a major problem and it is the key problem that america faces today when you say that unless there is a revolution in america which of course revolution can take many forms it doesn't have to be a violent thing right when you say that there has to be a revolution in america for things to change and for the foreign policy to change i think you're right but it it has to happen because the american government is structured in the way that it is which does not conform to the original principles upon which it was founded so americans do need to go back to those principles to own them again and as i often say to leave the republic

the empire behind them and to bring the republic back so true you know i always say the u.s was

meant to be the greatest country in the world it really was and kennedy was going right there and that's why he got killed i don't see another kennedy coming anytime soon unfortunately but you know i want to run a theory with you because you're british and um with all the respect to all british people britain is one country that i boycott i i always say i'm never gonna go to britain i was there but you know since i got into this political game i absolutely boycott britain i say in my opinion this is a country that lost itself you probably know this you live there and it is oppressing now its own people and um it's a dangerous game pms are not in charge they They're also replaced, you know, faster than babies' diapers, which is crazy. But, yeah, and I want to run something with you about Britain. Again, no hatred towards British people. Hatred towards the establishment, though, a lot of it. So everyone thinks for some reason that Israel is America's creation. I disagree. I believe that Israel is British creation with American help. And, you know, and I also believe that in a way, British Empire controls Israel so that Israel can blackmail and control the United States. That is something that I personally believe in. I don't for a second believe that this tiny little Israel has so much power that they somehow corrupted entire Britain and they corrupted entire America. I believe that no one has ever been better at spy games as Britain. No one in the world has ever been better than Britain. And I believe that they created Israel as their tool, as a middle management, that they can utilize against Americans in time they want. And if someone gets burned, it's going to be always Israel. No one's going to trace bed crumbs back to Britain. And we know that MI6 had a lot to do with Mossad. And whenever people tell me, yeah, but Mossad is so corrupt, they are always like everywhere. Yeah, they are corrupt. But let me remind you, Rabin, do you remember Rabin PM, Israel PM?

Of course.

As soon as Rabin starts talking about peace, he gets a bullet in the head and no one can explain who the hell killed him. It was certainly not Netanyahu. Netanyahu was actually worried that he would not get to lead ever because they would blame him. But in reality, I think, in my opinion, Britain was very much behind this, in my opinion. And even like I listened to Rabin's lawyer and, you know, the stuff. And my understanding is that Britain was hard launching Netanyahu back then, and they needed him to end up in the power somehow. Anyway, those are speculations. I don't have the evidence for it, but I want to know what you think about this theory.

Well, I'm going to say a few things. First of all, the biggest single fact about the modern world, which people hardly ever talk about, is the existence of the British Empire, which reached enormous power and brought in a quarter of the world, controlled a quarter of the world, and controlled the world economy, and achieved all of that extraordinary level of control in the 19th century. Now, if you are talking about today's Britain, today's Britain, its tragedy is that we are the product of the British Empire. Our institutions have been shaped by it. Our attitudes have been shaped by it. Our political class has been shaped by it too, our financial system. so that means that the political class in london and you know i'd speak of what i know what i speak of because i've been here and i've worked with you know right at the center of the if you like the establishment i was um in many very deep inside it they think very much in the same way that they did before i mean they they see britain as continuing to play what they would call a global role as it did previously and they have not been addressing the domestic problems in britain itself which as a result have been accumulated

So the institutions are archaic and they're broken down and the political class itself is fundamentally uninterested in what happens outside London, in the rest of Britain, outside the parts of London where they live. So that is Britain. Now, Britain as an empire was extremely clever. I think this is the thing people do. I mean, the British had a gift for empire. The Americans, by the way, don't. The reason the Americans don't is because they were a republic. And a republic is something that is hostile to empire. In fact, the United States was created as a reaction to the British empire and an escape from it. So the Americans don't do empire very well. The British did empire extremely well. And everything, everything dovetailed with everything else. And of course, Britain was a relatively small part of this empire itself. So how do you control all of these various people that you have around the world? First of all, you create a hierarchy of nations. So the English are at the top and others come further down. And on top of that, you also create problems, divisions, which enable you to, well, divide and rule, as the British would say, as the Romans used to say. and if we talk about the middle east and about israel there is one point only where i would strongly disagree with you which is you said that the americans helped the british to create israel the americans didn't help the british to create israel the british did it all by themselves and it was the british who controlled palestine they had the mandate they they offered they told the Arabs the Arabs when they encourage the Arabs to rebel against their Ottoman rulers that they would have it all and they would be able to have a Arab state and simultaneously they tell the Jewish people you know this is your homeland why don't you come here and the British knew exactly what they were doing they were creating conflicts and they did this in many places. They did this between Muslims and Hindus in India. They did this in many places in South America, between Guyana, for example, and Venezuela. Tensions there. They did this all over Africa. They did this in many, many places. Many of the problems that exist in the world today certainly the middle east problem is a direct legacy of the british empire and of the

way in which the british as i said carved up the middle east so i mean they created many of the arab states that we see today iraq for example is an entirely british creation libya as we know it today is a british creation um egypt was completely occupied and run by the british for years and years and years and many of its problems come back to the way in which britain ran egypt ultimately for its own benefit so the british are there at the boat you know the beginning of an awful lot of what we of all the problems that we see today yeah and they always come out dry on the other

side i mean look at what's happening with iran americans are dying israel is gonna get like israel is their scapegoat that's why they built israel up like it's like if someone has to pay for everything it's gonna be the jews in israel it's never gonna be britain like that's the goal right and of course americans are dying in our economy guess what's gonna happen this is what people never speak about so take this hormone situation right war with iran actually hurt in a way helped british economy if you think about it you know i mean domestic oil prices shoot up right so they they are they know they are in serious trouble when it gets to economy and of course they maximize their like they fed their you know military industrial complex as much as americans did but again like americans are also eating this shit excuse my language and britain is not in many ways well the establishment is not and you know it's um it's a funny thing i know if you remember this but um i forget who told me this so uh margaret thatcher came to russia and um i don't know exactly what the conversation was but i remember she was saying to russian leaders that you know russia and britain we we don't have much you know a part we have a lot of things in common especially the fact that we are a failed empire both of us are failed empire and we suffer from it she said and you know what's funny russians don't suffer from it speak for yourself lady you suffer from it like russians moved on they literally built a new russia from soviet empire but you are certainly suffering from it well absolutely let go you know well

Well, because we've never had the kind of political transformation that the Russians had in 1989 and 1991. That has never happened here. So we still have all of the imperial institutions still in place, still weighing down. We still have many of the policies still in place. And, of course, we still have the old establishment in place. I mean, this is the thing that, I mean, there is a direct continuity between the people who were running Britain in, say, 1920 and the people who are running Britain today. Not so much in the world of everyday politics, but certainly in the institutions of the civil service, the foreign office, the intelligence agencies that you were talking about, the military. They are basically the same, the great-grandchildren of the same people who've been to the same sort of schools and have inherited the same kind of mindset you know you're you're absolutely correct i mean we if you're talking about iran you mentioned iran why is america got all of these problems with iran because iran became a part of what the british used to call their informal empire the british ran iran uh they ran iran um from about the first world war all the way up to the 1950s and there was a reaction against the british control of iran which basically amounted to british control of iran's economy and oil industry and um when there was this reaction when there was a political movement a democratic one to change that in iran the british came along to the americans said you've got to help us to keep control because if you don't the communists in iran are going to take over and uh the americans let themselves be influenced by this oh my gosh and they ended up getting involved in iran and they ended up supporting the shah of iran whose father was basically installed as ruler of iran by the british so again you have this whole story of the the british there they are always there at the beginning again one point i would disagree with you is that britain as a whole doesn't come out well from these things if you look at people people of britain the state of the country it is one of continuous decline and it is partly continuous decline because as i said the policies never change and we don't ever rethink what we've done um the establishment of course that's a different story they do come out fine and well

and that is the great problem that britain faces today so true and um yeah i want to ask you now

about this whole like pm situation in britain it's almost like it doesn't matter who's the pm britain it really doesn't matter the the status quo never changes britain's gonna do what brisa is gonna do but the banks own the votes they control everything city of london is a devil inside this country and controls everything so now kirsteimer is out my guess is he's gonna join rest of them in nato and all these institutions because when someone serves these people well they always get rewarded either they go somewhere in european union on the height position or they join nato or something so that's coming right and um i guess i could before i move on i want to ask you why do you think your timer got ousted what was what was the reason well before we start with

that and about your point about these people who was failing and always being promoted The moment it became clear that Starmer was leaving, I actually said, and I said this on the Duran, by the way, that what we would probably see is Starmer angling to be appointed a secretary general of NATO. And then yesterday, what I was reading, he wants to be appointed secretary general of NATO. It was not difficult to foresee that that was where he wanted to go.

Now, why has Starmer fallen? Well, we have had six prime ministers in the last 10 years, which is what the British want to tell you. But what they never say is that out of those six prime ministers, we've actually seen four of them over the last four and a half years. and what started four and a half years ago the conflict in ukraine and the economic war that britain has been waiting against russia not just britain of course but the whole of the west exactly the british have played the very prominent very key role in this now what has that done it has deepened the difficult economic situation that britain faces it explains why britain the the trend of decline in britain has accelerated since 2022. i mean energy prices here in britain are four times four times greater than they are in the united states for example and remember that um incomes here are much lower than they are in the united states that's true what a heavy burden this is for people so what that means is that since 2022 as people's conditions of life have got worse they become angry and they become angry with the government so what is what does the political class do in order to appease this anger they present us with this game of musical chairs they put up one prime minister wait for him to become unpopular get rid of him bring another in but as you absolutely rightly say the policy the actual policy which is the cause of the decline and of the unpopularity the the economic war against russia and of course the other war the one we're helping the ukrainians to fight that never changes

absolutely it's not just economic war they are raging information war with russia and that is something i was investigating what's going on on x and i don't know if you use x as you know uh much as i do but all of these troll farms from ukraine georgia these places guess where they go to they go to nato statcom that's one and atlantic council both heavily funded by britain like heavily and both led by british people that's the crazy part it's actually led even though dod from the us is funding atlantic council it's it's an american think tank but majority of people on it are freaking british and they're letting it it's crazy yeah i mean i i absolutely agree with you and this theater that you talked about like this uh you don't like this premier minister don't worry about it let us give you another one and another one and i don't know how how long this continues alexander but at some point this bubble will burst and people will be just done with it and then what's gonna happen then they probably will attack russia and they will start the war declare that hey we are at war shut the up people like we are we are in conflict right now i mean

what what you're saying unfortunately uh does carry something of the quality of truth about it the level of what war psychosis here in britain has now reached unbelievably it's crazy high levels and um one of the reasons is precisely because as the economic situation deteriorates and i mean the economic situation for for every day for for people every day deteriorates the one point of contact between the elite and the people as the elite believes is the idea that we might be at war with russia because of course coming back to what you said the point about troll farms the point about information control information control in britain is extremely strong we we do not have in britain the kind of very vigorous independent media that there is in the united states for example i mean that simply doesn't exist here and we don't have um you know personalities like yourself like tucker carlson whom i know you've interviewed like people of that there there aren't people like that in britain who can put forward alternative arguments and alternative voices so media debate political debate is still very very shaped by the established legacy media outlets the BBC the big newspapers those kind of things many people in Britain young people especially are deeply skeptical about this but they have nowhere else to go they've got nowhere else basically to gain their information they're soon going to be prevented from accessing social media if they're under 16, just to say, and there'll be more controls before long.

People are arrested for social media tweets, right? Absolutely.

In Britain, this happens continuously and all sorts of things happen. So people are stopped at airports. They have a reputation of saying the wrong thing on social media. They can be stopped at British airports. I'm talking about British people. They can be held under terrorist registration. They can be questioned. and they have to answer every question because if they don't, they're deemed to have committed a criminal offence. They can have their property taken and searched. They are denied rights to speak to a lawyer.

What?

Absolutely, because they're not being arrested.

Wow.

It's not formally arrest. Alexander, you will not... So we have a lot of this going on in Britain today.

Yeah, you will never... I shouldn't say never, of course you will see that, but you will not see this as a normal thing in Russia. You ask for a lawyer, you're going to get a lawyer. You are not going to get arrested because you tweeted something in Russia against Putin, and you know this better than I do. You cover Russia way more than I do, that there's a huge part of opposition in Russia funded by West, and Putin just lets them be. I mean, he does. He lets them be. Yes. Navalny was a direct operator with MI6. You probably know this very well. And that's why he got what he got. But I mean, there's a ton of youngsters. I watch them all the time, opposition of Putin. I don't know. These people trash Putin every single day, every single day. And they think they are doing the right thing, by the way. I don't care what what's going on in their heads, but there's a there's a real opposition in Russia and they are funded by West by real opposition. I mean, it's not natural. It's funded by NGOs and similar organizations. But Putin doesn't do this. And Britain is a complete tyranny today. It's crazy.

Well, we're not a complete tyranny, but we are certainly heading in that direction. I mean, it's becoming more and more difficult to argue and speak out and say things. And one has to be extremely careful what one says and use very careful language when one says things.

So it's like you're to a degree of dictatorship moving to this.

Well, we are heading to a situation where, I mean, things are very, very controlled. and um i mean when i talk about people being held at the airport this is before they cross the british border because when they get through passport control then the full panoply of the english law comes in and there are protections but until you pass passport control they're able to do that to you they can deny you a lawyer they must can insist that you answer questions they can take all your things and if you don't answer questions they can bring uh they deem that an offense under the terrorism acts so that is going on and that's that's the problem that we

all face today in britain so alexander when are you coming to the u.s when are you leaving well

well i mean this is it because uh with all the things that i have said i love my country i mean i i i lived here all my life i came here in the 1960s i love the british people um i don't want to leave i'm married here my child my wife is english my children are english um i can't myself leave them but i'm glad that you bring up the united states because this is a thing again that takes us back to the united states and that is the constitution of the united states britain does not have a written constitution in practice we don't have a constitution i mean what we have are a system of rules and i do mean rules which everybody knows and is supposed to work under but which are never written down we call them conventions so we don't have the kind of protections that the constitution of the united states and the bill of rights

to the american people and that is basically what americans must defend and hold on to it is the guarantee of your liberty and it is the pathway back to getting back your republic if you want to see how dangerous it is if you don't have it come here to british

i absolutely agree with you and i wanted to say so when trump came to power he had all the right ideas he wanted to get out of nato which was a great idea unfortunately i think he saw the entrenchment um you know what was really going on and he was like okay i i don't think i have a chance here so we are still in nato we are now funding ukraine a british project by the way Ukraine was always a British project. I believe that Georgia was American project and Ukraine was a British project. And Americans are not as imperial. Like you said, Americans are not good at this game of empire. So they failed in Georgia big time. So, yeah, but I mean, Ukraine, Britain succeeded in Ukraine. This is why they are gun honed. Zelensky, they are protecting him with everything they can, which I will never understand why Russia is not eliminating Zelensky and finally getting over with this situation. I understand Putin too. He doesn't want to get into another war with Britain because he knows that that's what Britain wants because Britain is an island, they're going to be protected and Europeans are going to eat all the shit there. That's what's going to happen. And they hope that that will be the case. That's why, you know, I was talking to a journalist in Finland and I was asking about Finland because I don't know much about Finland. Like it's not my area. Oh, my God. The things these people told me, like not just one journalist, but multiple people. So it started with information where they said what you guys are experiencing in the U.S., like these targeted attacks on journalists. We went through that already. So we know the game. we understand it and now for the first time in a very long time finland has um president stop uh they they said not my words that is married to an mi6 agent so i was like okay they believe that he's married to an mi6 agent that's what contributed to Finland joining, you know, this country that was always neutral, all of a sudden joining the Wolfpack. And what are your opinions about this?

Well, I think that's right. And I think you're absolutely right about a lot of what is going on in Britain and in Europe and Britain's very, very major role in Ukraine. I mean, just to give one example, I mean, Zelensky regularly comes here And the extent to which our king has constantly expressed sympathy and support for Zelensky as an individual is extraordinary. I mean, that is most unusual. And again, when the war ends, it's going to leave a long series of problems between us and the Russians. i mean how can the king for example or his family have interconnections with russia and you know the king matters in britain i'm going to say this it's about russia actually now i said i was in russia one of the things that you have i've always found when i've been to russia is that every russian remain remembers second world war every russian has lost people in the second world war

by the way i'm sure the same is true in georgia just 27 million my great-grandpa died there

i know all these stories my grandma so there was always a very very strong feeling that you know war is something that we must avoid we mustn't get into another war again we mustn't experience those losses this time when i was in russia i sensed a change the memory of the second world war remains as strong as ever there is no desire for war but there is a growing sense that war is becoming inevitable and if it comes they must resist it so there is a shift it's not a very you know noisy shift but it is there and as i said i found that also amongst working-class russians who was i said we're a we're a demographic i've never reached before yeah no i agree okay i

want to be very honest with you

please don't get mad at me. So, um, I like to have honest, like conversations because most people avoid it. They are scared of it. Um, and I, I'm just not, you know, and, um, I'll talk as long as I can talk. And when they shut me up, like, you know, they won't shut me up other than, you know, killing me or something, but anyway, um, so I, I agree with you with, with this war, you know, spirit on both sides. I think it's a huge mistake for Russians to ever get into war with Europe because it's an orchestrated war and it is orchestrated to kill more Russians and weaken more Russians. Ukraine is a project to kill more Slavs just to weaken Russia. There's nothing else there other than Ukraine is a profitable place for the globalists. They know, you know, Ukraine is a rich country as well, but it's mostly to kill Russians, you know, weaken them even more etc so that being said i think this war is going to be absolutely horrifying and detrimental for both parties again maybe not for england because you know this second world war everyone was in shambles but britain came out of it pretty fast you know again it's an island so um that being said alexander i always say if it gets to that if if it gets to that okay i believe russia should go with the nuclear option because you know let let me let me say why i say that when hiroshima nagasaki happened america's biggest excuse it's it was a stupid excuse at that time because situation was different war was already ending so and japan was giving up but their excuse was well we needed to end this war so we decided to nook them so that it could be ended and less less life would be wasted right that argument

alexander has never been more true than now for russians yeah well i i i find the idea of using nuclear weapons an absolutely terrible one i mean i was born in 1961 um many people were alive at that time who remembered hiroshima and nagasaki it was you know the shadow that was there over my childhood and my life and it still affects me but i got to say something else here if there is a war in europe i have absolutely no doubt at all the nuclear weapons will be used right i say that without any uh you know pleasure quite the contrary on the contrary with deep horror but i have absolutely no doubt that nuclear weapons will be used and um we might use them in the west but the russians will certainly use them and i i i don't have any doubt about this and the fact that this isn't understood in amongst the european leadership or that they are completely reckless about this absolutely horrifies me i mean it's one of the things that i find most shocking and that in britain we never talk about this possibility we write off the possibility of nuclear war as a trivial one and think that we can do anything we want we can launch missiles into russia we'll get the ukrainians to do it for us and kill russian officials and do all of those sort of things and there will never be any consequences and none of those consequences will come and strike home at us here in Britain. I find that unbelievable. And that level of complacency greatly, greatly disturbs me. Now, as to what you said about having to have the courage to come out of what you say, I agree. That is why I do what I do. As I said, I've told you how difficult the situation is becoming in some ways in prison, but certainly I'm not going to stop whilst I can, because I love my country. To repeat again, I love my country, and I feel I need to tell my country and its people what I believe to be true.

i agree i agree i couldn't agree more and when you do that like i am doing because i love my country here you are the the anti-patriot you are the problem you are the terrorist you are absolutely advocating for the worst no no no let's make it clear i do this because i love my country that's the answer so smart people understand that um alexander they will always have your back. Unfortunately, the world is complex, you know, and inhabited more with stupid people than smart people. This is why we are where we are, I guess. But lastly,

my last question to you um your thoughts on putin i think he is an exceptionally capable leader i think he was absolutely the leader for russia at the time when he took over back in 1999 2000 i think he's been very steady and has read led things uh you know in a very steady way And to repeat again, I went to Russia. I was there two weeks ago. And the level of modernization, the improvement in living standards in life. And by the way, that includes the institutional improvement, the ability to express oneself, to do things which have never been possible in the same way in Russia before. That has been extraordinary. That does not mean that he doesn't suffer from certain weaknesses. I think he is extremely good at diplomacy. And I think the result is that he over emphasizes diplomacy. I think he has been altogether too trusting of the West. I think he's assumed that there was a place for Russia in the West. And I think he's been very, very slow to understand that that wasn't so. I think he's making certain mistakes in economic policy, but they in no sense undermine the achievement that he has.

What are those mistakes?

I think interest rates are too high. That's basically what I think. I think this is a problem and I think it's slowing growth, but it's a big subject and perhaps not a terribly important one in a programme like this. But I think his great big blind spot for most of his time as leader and to some extent still now has been the West. I think he's assumed that the West is more rational and more understanding of realities than it actually is.

Which is crazy because he was stationed in freaking Germany. He should have known. You know, I would understand why he keeps hoping that Americans are going to wake up and somehow extend their hand. It's not going to happen, Vladimir Putin. It's not. Unfortunately, I want to. I think Russia is our natural ally. Tucker Carlson said this many times. They are more like Americans than they think. And we are absolutely, in so many ways, similar to Russians. But that's probably why they are keeping us divided from Russia. Because imagine America and Russia ever getting together. That's like the world peace right there.

It would be. And you're absolutely right. Americans and Russians would very, very, very quickly find a common language and would quickly discover that they have much that brings them together and they would very quickly become friends. But, of course, everything is being done to prevent that happening.

Of course, because then once that happens, I mean, you know this really well, I know you have to go. The British Empire is not going to benefit from that, so what are we going to do about it? Well, thank you so much, Alexander. Everyone, go subscribe to Alexander's channel and the channel The Duran. It's called The Duran, correct?

Yes, absolutely.

I'm a frequent listener to you guys. Whenever I have time, I always tune in. Thank you so much. Such a pleasant conversation. Hope to have you here again. Thank you.

Excellent. Thank you very much, Elizabeth. And I very much look looking forward to coming again.

Thank you.