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Hello everyone and welcome back to my show. Guys, I am so excited about this episode because you know I've been doing some research. You will see the episode, what I've been working on and so on in this week actually. So I connected with amazing journalists in Finland to help me with this research and I ended up liking them so much that we had multiple conversations and I was like guys, you have to come on and talk to my audience because their expertise and their knowledge really like shocked me and just made me happy that people like this exist. And independent journalists are still a thing in Europe. Some are knowledgeable, you know, and I found two of them and I cannot wait for them to share their knowledge with you guys. So Lena and Petri are joining me today in this show. Leena and Petri, would you mind just introducing yourself, like full name maybe, and tell them what you do, just a bio of some sorts for us. Okay, yes, my name is Leena

Hietanen, and you know, I'm a retired journalist. I used to work as a mainstream journalist. I was even working in a BBC world for a while back in good days and then I was working 20 years in Estonia just after the Soviet collapse so I became some kind of you know expert in the Baltic states and also the question of Ukraine is that's why very familiar to me because I saw everything happening in in the Baltics when the Russians lost their citizenship and this terrorification process started so nothing what comes in ukraine is is new to me i already experienced everything you know in how the russians lose their language how they lose their church culture soviet heritage everything is forbidden but so i was first working with mainstream media but of course i some when estonia and baltic states when they became to nato members 2004 then i lost my my state status as you know mainstream media and i was free independent journalist i was surviving quite well as an independent journalist yeah yes i was still surviving but then when i came back to finland 2009 then i you know i i was already done then you know then i became this kind of a social media journalist and i became to be very nasty and

We'll talk about that too. So we'll go into how they tried to make you a Russian agent and try to portray you as your Russian puppet. They're doing the same thing to us, all of us. So, Petri, give us your bio as well and then we'll go into these Russian anti-propaganda fighters.

I have been cooperating with Lena for our journal issues for at least 30 years. And in many of the stories we have lena has written so i've been along as a photographer but my main job used to be doing software engineering for nokia the finnish mobile phone giant but but lately let's say for the last 15 years my main presence in the internet has been doing open source intelligence so actually started with the open source intelligence i did work on stores i got here with an american guy adam larson he was in washington state in the u.s when we started first we started working on libu and then we moved to move to syria and actually we were doing the open source research it's something very similar to what the billing cut and elliot higgins claimed to be doing but we always came up with exactly the opposite interpretation of anything well

billing cat is tied to intelligence agencies and they've been tied to them for a forever long time now so we know that's probably why you're coming up with opposite research even though you're also doing open source they are doing open source but somehow they have different conclusions I just love Billinket and this The Insider and this old globalist organization, magazines that are trying to like brainwash Americans. I mean, it's disgusting. I get mad. People tell me, don't get mad. Just have fun. You can't have fun with these people. You have to you have to be upset that this is happening, you know. But anyway, yeah, continue your your bio.

But in the last 10 years, I've noticed that anything I've been saying about geopolitics or open source intelligence work or something, it has always, it has become so-called Russian disinformation. So one of my greatest jobs in the last 10 years has been in fact creating that Russian disinformation. At one point, I noticed that my own base was

many of the or most of the points that were labeled Russian disinformation that originally originated from me, what I have been saying.

So you are saying you literally created Russian disinformation stuff? Yes.

You're the biggest agent. One of the things that kind of came from me and my work with Adam Larson was studying the so-called claimed gas attacks, chemical weapons used in Syria. And we very early found out that there's a close connection between the White Helmet people and the Al-Qaeda people. They usually had the same camera on my publishing of both channels.

So explain that slightly better so that I can hear you better. You said the gas attacks in Syria, they were claiming that Assad guessed his own people. But you said that's not true. He never guessed his own people. It was actually Al-Qaeda and ISIS who guessed them. Is that what you're saying?

Yes, exactly.

And the reason you know it, that Al-Qaeda and ISIS are working together, is because you found out that they had the same cameramen?

No, I was saying that Al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria used to be the same organization. It was this President Yolani who made a split with ISIS, but they were the same organization originally. I was speaking about the British propaganda outfit, the White Helmets, who were these rescue people. They were the same people as Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra Front, Yolani's organization. And they never published anything authentic. Most of their videos were fabrications, and in fact, in the beginning they were involved in fabricating these chemical weapons videos. On the other hand, there was this Elliot Tiggins and this Bellincutt, who were closely cooperating with the White Helmets in producing these outdoor massacre hoax videos or interpretations of what had happened.

So you're saying this so-called independent open source organization that is tied with its heads to British intelligence is trying to lie to people that Assad is guessing people.

Yeah. But it's also this kind of narrative building. Because one reason why, for instance, I first liked Donald Trump. I felt very, you know, much sympathy because he was accused of these Russian connections. Russia connection and he has this Russia gate all the time and he was also using this fake news you are fake news I don't talk to you because you know when you see this narrative building and you realize that you know that truth is always called Russian Russian propaganda or yes I ended up totally to be with the same opinion like Putin that the empire of lies or whatever

but it's impossible to work as a journalist so when i investigated this whole network i've noticed like there's a pattern here they are actually not fighting russian disinformation at all you know how many actual russian propagandists are there there are russian propagandists like every country has a propagandist every country we all know who are paid by russian state to do this they are not going after these people. They don't care about real propagandists. I realized that the pattern is they are going after independent journalists calling them Russian propagandists, while there's like a whole real clan of Russian propagandists and they never touch them. They don't care.

Actually, I don't even think that they are Russian propagandists, or at least there are no good ones. russians are very bad in any kind of uh they have stupid propaganda for sure yes yes but they don't have the manpower to influence anything in the in the west

i was once giving an explanation for this why russia is so bad in information war and this ambassador here in helsinki pavel kuznetsov he told me that we don't have any media in in the west everything is closed we have no media where to tell anything of our side

yeah we can we cannot have a voice well that is true because when this war started you know how they went after rt and all of the

Russian, real Russian state funded channels, they just cut it off. Even though we had state funded media channels everywhere from BBC to the US, everyone was state funded, they were okay to operate, but only Russian state funded needed to be cut off. So obviously, yeah, there's a there's this beef they have against Russia. I came to believe they have this beef because Russia is the only country right now fighting this globalist saying, I don't care about your globalism. We are Russians. We're going to have our own country, our own people. We don't want your GMOs. We don't want your shit in here. We are going to do things in our way, right? They just cannot have that. Going back to Russian disinformation, I agree with you, Lena. Russians don't know how to talk. The biggest problem that I realized that Russians have, even in personal conversations, they don't understand that Americans need this ass-kissing part of things, okay? So when you go in an american store the first thing you're gonna hear is i love your nails i love your shirt and then you know this is the culture here politicians are born into this culture they like perceive the world like that they grew up here so then you have russians brute force like they just they are brute force they go in they're like we don't care but like that's the disconnect

When I was in Estonia I had a lot of you know both friends from Americans and Russians and actually it is like that they are like you know two big elephants they always love each other you know and then the small ones you have to just go away that you don't get hurt because they actually you know you cannot yes they always find each other and I simply I think that they actually like each other you know in those kind of connections but the Russians They liked me, they loved me, like, you know, because I was always telling to the Americans that don't believe these Estonians, they are just lying to you. Because I was just, you know, because they wanted to peace. Estonians, they were giving lies, they were thinking that Americans want to hear. Yes. And you Americans can never get to the truth because you are always lying. There are always these guys, you know, who are like telling us, oh, it was so horrible in the Soviet times. And then Americans come and say, you saved us, you saved us, you know, this is horrible.

I want to tell you something maybe even personal. But anyway, the fact is that Americans and Russians are very similar. The people are very similar, basically they have a very similar worldview. And also they cooperate very much with each other. and in for the for the last few months i've been in a hacker group we have been uh hacking nvidia's gpu firmware to try to break their product to different space different stations where they sell the same thing for cheaper price to consume are you sure you can say that on tv do you do you think it's going to make some problems but anyway we are working it's half american half uh half russian the cooperation is very good there's no animosity yeah good

and can work very well i agree with you culturally so the only difference is, like I said, Americans love their niceness and overly smiling and all that. And Russians are more like brute force. But when you go down to core of the nation, they are most similar. Like they both love their freedoms. They are just similar human beings in terms of how they do things, what they like, how they perceive the world. And I believe that is the biggest danger for countries like Britain, for example. Because imagine if Russia and the United States unite. Then where does that leave Britain?

Where does it leave Europe?

Exactly. Where does it leave Europe? So all of a sudden, Britain becomes an unimportant little island that no one cares about. and europe either becomes dependent on britain or vice versa because these two are always like kind of in this relationship where i'll take care of you and you take care of me and that kind of stuff right and honestly lana and fetri my honest opinion is let them f off in a way like british

I mean, I'm up here with them. Like, I just don't understand why they can't chill. Like, why they can't chill? Like, give up this freaking idea of an empire. You're not an empire anymore. Enough. We don't care about you. British empire is dying. Get on with that idea. You know, make yourself comfortable with it because you're done. Like, that's my idea of how I see Britain. But they don't seem to see themselves that way. They just keep pushing.

But you said somewhere that all the evilness in the world comes from Great Britain, or is it MI6 or something?

I stand by it, yes.

Yes, because you are not the only one. This Vanessa Beely, who worked in Damascus, but now I think she's in Beirut, she also said something that all evilness comes from Britain.

His father was the British ambassador to Egypt.

yes somehow like she was she was here and you know yeah she knows everything because she knew this white helmet story in syria and everything she was very you know so talk to me about this

syria thing so what what really happened to syria and then we can move to libya because that's very interesting too so okay they said assad is guessing his people no doubt in my head that Assad was a dictator because I saw that he did have torture camps. He did. But I mean, we did too. John Kiriakou went to prison saying Bush signed on torture and we tortured a bunch of people. So if we're going to demonize Syria, which we should, then we should demonize everyone else as well because we have to collectively agree as people that torture is not acceptable and we have to punish everyone who does that not just Syria and then just pet ourselves back when we do it no if that's a standard that's a standard for everyone torture is bad move on right so they tried to get Assad out um as I understand Americans didn't want Assad out per se and neither did Israelis but British Empire wanted Assad out right yes so what happened yeah What happened in Syria? Walk me through.

What happened is, of course, the American press, like the Washington Post and the New York Times, mainly they produce their same narrative day after day. But every once in a year they publish something interesting that is true. But once it is published, it is forgotten and never integrated into the official narrative. One of the interesting stories in the New York Times is, of course, what they revealed afterwards. First of all, the weapons shipments. Americans sent billions and billions of dollars worth of weapons to the Syrians, to these, well, Al-Qaeda terrorists. And of course, one of the interesting stories, was it in Washington Post or where was it, that they had this title that the rebels funded by the State Department are now at war with the rebels funded by the CIA.

America is on every side.

Americans were very much involved. And of course, there was this huge claimed gas attack in Gauta, that is the neighborhood countryside around a city, the Damascus Gauta, which was held by the rebels. And supposedly Assad had fired these gas rockets with sarin and killed 2000 people or so on. so this was without any criticism the day it happened the same the the the following morning about this is horrible horrible massacre that assad did we need to we need to attack immediately and in fact i what i believe happened it was in today in august 2013 is the american navy was prepared ready to launch missiles and bombs on Syria and it was in coordination with the rebels who were then outside Damascus and the plan was to take over that over the city with the help of this with the American air support but this attack was cancelled at the very last moment by Obama and the main reason i believe and some other people israel samir has written written about this was that

The Russian Navy had been patrolling outside Syria for one or two years. And the presence of the Russian Navy, the Moskva Cruiser, was one of the ships. There, on the Syrian coast, prevented Americans from attacking Syria. But this whole thing was coordinated.

Yeah, they would end up directly at war with Russia if, you know, Russian Navy was there and they carried out this mission. So Obama made the right call to cancel because, you know, it's one thing to overthrow a regime in a country like Syria and it's all another thing to start a war with Russia and direct attack. So that was a that was a right call.

But Syria is also, you know, victim of this media manipulation because the whole media has been very anti-Syrian and anti-Assad and you know it's again you know we are ending up with Zolani and you know we are changing you know some kind of a humanist dentist to this kind of

throat cutting Zolani one of the one of the organizations that the corrupt organizations the major one was the organization for prevention the prevention of chemical weapons which is headquarters in Haag, the Hague. It's so crazy. They were producing fiction about this. They were kind of cooperating with Billingkat and making these fake accusations against Nassau.

These Billingkat, the Insider, and these organizations, in my opinion are specifically created like other media to like you know lie to people and spread disinformation but but they did it more smarter way this time okay they said it's an open source investigation and then you get things like you can tell that their intel is coming from intelligence agencies like it's very simple to watch how they operate and they're like oh we know this oh how do you know this because for unusual journalists to get that type of information you have to directly be tied with intelligence otherwise you can't get it period you can't so the same goes with um what's his name kristo groznev their their golden boy from bulgaria that is like just a random bulgarian journalist and he's like i catch russian spies like shut the f up like you know I mean it's so sad um like watching him for a smart person would be insulting in a man in many ways and here here's our what I have to say about this billing cat that Christo Grosne works for and all this stuff so this is what I think they are trying to do and you tell me what you think about this in my opinion they set up this open source investigations because they don't have to write the name of who provided the information so it can come from intelligence agencies directly to their table and they will go after and say oh we are journalists we're just badass at our jobs and we found this okay so crystal grozny claims to go after and find russia's spies great if listen i'm all for finding spies like in my country if there are some spies there's an institution called the FBI, counterintelligence, who should do it. So there are special institutions who are specifically designed to find spies. We don't need fucking Kristo Grosnev doing anything. But the reason Kristo Grosnev is doing it is because of only one thing. If you put a journalist in front of a public, and then you give this journalist pretty stories, some kind of cool investigative stories right he gathers audience and all of a sudden you sadly but surely poison people against only russia because he's only finding russian spies he somehow fails to find indian spies or other spies it's just russian spies he wants so it becomes a story a spectacle like kardashians or you know dateline or whatever and kristo goes out and tells these beautiful stories about how he finds these russian spies and it gathers audience and it's a way to propagandize people to hate russia because they think oh my gosh they are everywhere russian spies are everywhere we should be aware of this every other episode he has a oh we found this spy

we found that spy why do you need a journalist for it because in back in the day we did it pretty damn well when we caught russian spies through fbi why do you need a journalist you need a journalists to tell the world look how bad russia is it has spies everywhere now do that for india can you do that for china so it is again the form of propaganda kind of putting it out there the way in fact operates it is just it's it is a front for

intelligence organization yes yes and they never write who wrote the article if they want to publish

something which might be true but most likely untrue they send it to bellingcat and have belling and Bellingcat spread it as a fact. It was revealed in one email, which I had saved, where they said that it was a leaked email, and it said, the action plan, do this, do this, and then we publicize this thing by leaking it to Bellingcat.

Wait, what?

Leaking.

email was that sorry so there was an email saying do a b and c and then go through billing trade

give it to them so i showed it to you but anyway it was somehow i think it was related to the integrity initiative when they had a big leak with uh with yeah yeah so for sure

and i wanted to just you know ask or wonder they said what happened to the media that how did it lose totally its basic functions like already you know the the destruction of yugoslavia was this kind of a first when you used the media just you know to pull up to push up stories i i heard today there was a youtube video about serbia how milosevic was destroyed and totally false education, one after another. The rest is capable of using, you know, this kind of media everywhere is echoing the same story. But how do they do it? When I was in Estonia, I was sometimes, you know, complaining to Petri that why I don't get my stories through, that what is the wrong? And he said to me that we are having hornets on our sky. We are having American airplanes in our sky. You cannot tell any other story but American There's one aspect that some 10 years ago, maybe 15 years ago, I got these comments from people in Europe,

meaning not English speakers, but from different countries, Germany or whatever, and they have started noticing a phenomenon, something happening, is that in mainstream media in one country, one publication would publish a story, maybe build research, but maybe not actually accurate. And at the very same time, this very same story was published in a different, maybe French paper, maybe German paper, so on. It kind of came up in all the countries. But all of these newspapers claimed that they had done independent research and independently found out, but suddenly at the same time. So what actually happens is that these intelligence organizations or some other propaganda organizations, unknown, acting in secrecy, are sending their journalists, paid for journalists, these talking point papers, where they fill out everything that needs to be stated in this news story, and with the special clause that you are free to publish this, and in fact, you are supposed to publish, expected to publish the story, just as you wrote this, but you are not allowed to reveal the source.

Yeah, yeah, that's the, yeah, totally. That's what the insider does. That's what the insider does. So they recently wrote a piece about me through a raging Zionist, Ryan Morrow, and they called me rising MAGA influencer. Elizabeth Lane had, they called an FSB agent in her show. So get this, guys. I do a show when war started like I want to say maybe a year in or so I reached out to Dimitri Greed I don't know if you know who that is Dimitri has like a public profile on Instagram so I reached out to Dimitri Greed he has former Spetsnaz officer now does like training and stuff like that usual like a CO would train like after the service so I reached out to Dimitri Russians don't like to talk so i reached out to other people as well like hey guys like come to my show ukrainians are talking all the time you should talk as well we want to hear your perspective everyone declined except for dima dima was brave enough to say yes i'll come to your show and

said, listen, I'm going to have a Navy SEAL with me. I want you and American Special Forces to kind of connect and see like, what do you guys agree on? What do you disagree with? And so on. It was an awesome show. I loved it. I mean, I had so much fun. They started talking about their ex-wives and it was funny. So anyway, and I see like an article on the Insider saying Elizabeth Lane had an FSB agent on her show so first of all i had a navy seal and the former spitznaz officer but how do you know he was fsb that's the question so they were so sure they were so sure dimitri grit worked for fs you know russians right you guys know russians better than me in a way because you interact them uh with a lot so which russian would call you and say oh yeah i worked for fsb sure yeah yeah sure so so i want to know how michael way is this little globalist uh the cockroach knows that dimitri grid was uh was an fsb i want to know oh maybe just maybe you called up your intelligence guys whether it's sbu or you know the british intelligence and that's how you know or you lied because they say in this article i reached out to no they say we reached out to dimitri greed okay so dimitri failed to tell me he worked for fsb why would he tell some michael ways or ryan or somebody that he worked for fsb and these people are they dumb they always sell themselves out guys always they are so spiteful and so ugly inside they can't wait to trash somebody or smear somebody and they they do it so much that whoops and we know now that how do you know dimitri grit was fsb i didn't know that how do you know that so of course nothing no comments no comments at all and no name on the article no name at all but listen when we were talking about

these influencers let's say like Timothy Snyder or Anne Appelbaum or Edward Lukas some of them are journalists but I am thinking that they might even have another role somewhere else because you know they are that kind of a propagandist that their main role is not the journalist. Timothy Snyder

I said this almost what is it four years ago I said this Timothy Snyder is an agent in my eyes timothy snyder in my opinion is a direct cia agent and his role is to propaganda students that's my idea personal i can't prove it but you know how like sometimes you just know you know know like that he's he's an agent he's an agent and every single time again in my opinion what i'm saying is in my opinion he's an agent this was the guy who was on georgian tv all day long during uh russia ukraine war every single day you would see michael uh sorry timothy snyder on georgian tv who the heck is timothy snyder to be on georgian television no one in georgia knows who the heck these guys yes georgia the country yes so i even back then i was like why are they hard like launching timothy snyder in georgia right now he is also in the georgian

TV. These three persons are very well known in Finnish TV too. They are used as experts. They are giving, you know, the big news. I'm totally an astonished how do they get so far and so quickly.

Elena, it's very simple. Did you see the charts that got hacked with what Petri said, Integrity Initiative? They have their designated people everywhere. It's a full-blown Epstein media network. I now call them Epstein Media Network, because that's what they are. And what they do is they have their people that they constantly refer to. Imagine one expert from the United States that's not even popular in the United States, guys. He's not even popular here. Ends up on Georgian TV and Finnish TV. How? And I bet, I bet Georgia and Finland is not the only one. I bet we can find him on Estonian tv as well let's search if we can find him in bulgaria and i guarantee you we will i guarantee

we will find both yeah did you mention that michael weiss attacked you yes yes yeah michael was uh he was very active on active in syria uh 10 years ago one of those uh al-qaeda uh ali Yolani supporters, along with Yihadi Julian, Julian Röpke from the Build side.

Wait a second. Michael Wise was supporter of what?

Of Al-Qaeda in Syria. He was active on the war 10 years ago. And of course, representing this anti-Assad narrative, which I consider to be mainly falsehoods.

This is the globalist network, Petri, the Michael Wise guys and Peter Palmerancev and these guys who are secretly working behind the scenes. And then all of a sudden, these absolutely unknown journalists who are not even American, by the way, Michael Wise is, but Peter Palmerancev is not. So all of a sudden, they end up with all the medals. By the way, did you notice that if you speak against Russia and you call Russia demon and all the horrible things you get a ton of medals as a journalist did you notice guys yes you know

what in finland all those our union of journalists it gives you know honors after honors to these

prices up prices to these the first propagandists it's horrifying yes i don't know this finnish uh propagandist uh she was supposed to receive some very prestigious human rights in the u.s In the US, awarded at the White House. And at the last minute, it was canceled. Because Trump had come to power and Trump had realized or the White House had realized that Jessica Aro was very, very, very...

She was bashing Trump, wasn't she? I looked at her publications and stuff, and they probably looked at it and said, why the hell would we give this woman anything? Like, she's literally hating on Trump. Like, why would we do that? Psycho. That crazy psycho. No, this is the Trump I supported. I supported Trump who said, let's leave NATO. Let's focus on the United States. Globalism is not our deal. And this is how powerful they are through Atlantic Council, through NATO and these organizations that they completely like got Trump into their orbit. So they are the ones providing information. Trump knew Putin before he got into power through business circles, right? Everyone knew that Trump knew Putin. Trump talked about knowing him. And then he said something that I just remember so vividly. He said, I don't know what the hell happened to Putin. And Putin is over the other side thinking, I don't know what the hell happened to Trump. And what happened is they bamboozled Trump into this globalist agenda because they are everywhere. They dominate. Guys, look at our media. Michael Weiss kind of people and this Peter Pormerantsev and Applebaum with his very Polish freaking husband. He's global as Bilderberg as they're trying to bring about this one world order. Somehow they always either are part of Bilderberg or these big organizations, but they have one more thing in common. So Applebaum's husband, Sirkowski, was actually a British citizen. And then he gives up British, yeah, he gives up British citizenship to go back to Poland, acquire Polish citizenship only, and becomes a Polish minister. you know what's very interesting about this this is a lot of this kind of

diaspora diaspora people are a lot here and they usually come from America of course also from Britain but this Canadian American Axel is very you know often at least in Ukraine but

in my opinion it still is driven through Britain because look at Carney's wife Mark Carney's wife is British and has a very...

Canadian Prime Minister.

Yeah, Canadian Prime Minister. So, Mark Carney's wife is British and has a very questionable past. That's number one. As I understand, your president's wife is also British and you guys said she's possibly MI6. What made you think that?

This is a story going around in some Finnish media. But... What was the name of this lady who was exposed? It was some kind of... Valery Plum.

Valery Plum?

Yeah, yeah.

The one you told me about, right?

Yes, who was kind of... By the later Bush administration, some people there turned against her and exposed her as being a CIA, which of course they shouldn't have done. But it also turned out that that has her role. previously had been to act as some kind of a matchmaker in British universities. And it is believed that she was the person who put Alexander Stubb together with his British wife. Ines, yes.

You know, this dear Ines also speaks like, what, five languages? For a British person, that's unusual. I can tell you that is very...

But some prestigious education, maybe ETH or maybe where do all the MI6 people study?

Yeah. Well, the thing is, when you are from a small country like Ukraine or something like, well, Ukraine is not small, but relatively like weaker country, you typically have to learn languages. Like we spoke three languages in Georgia just in school, but that's not the same in the U.S. They don't teach you three, four languages in school. Like you have to actually pick it, right? You have to actually make that choice. And the same with Britain. so for this woman to learn like four or five languages out of nowhere and also i looked at her past and all this like employment history is a is pro very questionable and then it goes to show that finland finland was always independent up until stop and isn't up until today your president today stop right yes yes yes yes yeah so so then stop is talking directly with lindsey graham

and he's very proud of it really horrible horrible yeah horrible that gives you know you don't need to know more should we talk about what happened happened to finland yes please please do i would call it uh call it the state capture and it started uh well of course 10 20 years ago 15 years ago but the last the last 10 years when americans take over a country they usually do not take over the old organizations they establish new new shadow organizations that kind of replace replace the older organization in any target country like they have this nabu in ukraine that is kind of an american foreign influence organization in finland some 10-15 years ago we suddenly kind of secrecy nobody nobody knew about it although it was uh it was public an organization called uh uh state security committee actually the same initials for KGB in the Soviet Union, Security Committee. And this was a very strange organization. First of all, it was kind of completely outside parliamentary or even any political control. Then its only publicly stated goal was harmonization with the US and NATO, some kind of harmonization then of course it wasn't the committee actually the organization was the permanent secretariat of the committee and this was the this was the working group meaning that it was it had an upside down organization on top there was us nato then there was the secretariat and then below them below them there was this committee But, of course, the committee did not give orders to the secretariat. It was the secretariat that was giving the orders to the committee. The committee contained all the power people, meaning the heads of all... What's the name in Russia when they speak? Siloviki. Siloviki is the name in Russia. People with the fire department, the police, whatever. all these people they were getting their NATO marching orders through this committee how to implement this integration into harmonization into the Finnish society. This was 10 years ago. Then later on some of the roles of these organizations were switched over to other organizations like the hybrid center, the center for

target uh uh the center of hybrid warfare hybrid warfare yeah which was a censorship propaganda anti-disinformation organization but anyway what this led to is of course finally the finnish uh Finnish membership in NATO, if you can even call NATO a membership organization. I think it's very similar that the...

In modern days, Estonians, the Baltic people always say that they were occupied, but the Finnish members in NATO, well, of course they were not occupied, formerly they volunteered to join the Soviet Union, so this is what is in Finland, we volunteered to join NATO, but in fact, I and many other people feel that it is in fact an occupation. And of course, the aim result of all of this is that there's something going on and Europe is preparing for a war with Russia.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

It's not a membership. Maybe it will be taking in a few years Finland into a greater pan-European war.

You know, they successfully managed to poison Europe against Russia. this globalist cabal that we just talked about, that in my opinion, Michael Wise and all these people are part of as the media aspect. I always say there's a financial aspect, there's media aspect, and there's military. Your military is NATO. And somehow this NATO evolved into this entity that now they have communications. What are you talking about? Why are you employing journalists in NATO and researchers like you're a military organization? Stay the hell out of everything else. But no, no, no, it's not a military organization. It's a globalist entity, and it's there to enslave rest of the world. That's what NATO's purpose always was. So again, Trump had all the right instincts. He always had the right instincts. Get out of NATO, dismantle USAID. He failed to dismantle Atlantic Council. He should have, because in my opinion, in a way, Atlantic Council is actually way worse than USAID, because Atlantic Council is, in my opinion, way more tied in into intelligence than this globalist part of intelligence. And again, I'm now, like, I no longer say the CIA because CIA has gotten all this freaking crap about everything. And I realized that CIA is a big organization. It's a very compartmentalized organization. And there are parts of it that's absolutely horrible that belongs to these globalist entities. And there are parts of it where there are good guys working, have no clue what's going on in the rest of the departments of the CIA. So a friend of mine who worked for the CIA and now is like retired 10 years plus now. So he always says, like, I learned what this agency did when I got out. Like, I really learned this agency when I was out. and that says a lot that says a lot because when you're in you're like you have a tunnel vision that's your job you stick with your job don't look on the side right and that's how they get away with things these globalist entities that are not there for americans they're not there for you know greater good for america they are there to tie america into this globalist agenda so what is the goal guys like what do you think they want this one world order they're not going to get it they are not going to get it no matter how much Bush senior wanted it and coming out and saying you know we will be successful yeah yeah sure you will be successful is it so to you what do

you think that like this America great Britain and Israel these are the three major operators in this in this world UK US and Israel yes Israel maybe on the top but so it means that first they are against russia russia is their first enemy or because i i am always thinking that china is only an enemy of for americans i don't think yes yes for all of us europe europe

used to have very used to have very good relations with china some 10 years ago but now american anti-chinese have inflated well become the mainstream in europe and europe is very strongly

turning against against china yes well the same here it's always they couple china with russia all the time so when they want to lie to people how china is horrible even though china is not intervention like they don't like intervention they stay with their lane they they only care about china 80 of china cares about china okay and there's maybe like 20 who care about well what else can we do in africa and these places right so china gets tied in with russia all the time they're like these monsters now right the problem with that is china is huge and if they wanted to create this globalist entity like one world order of some sorts or something They can't. If they're not going to involve China into this, then Russia and China will never decouple. Because Russia will always find China as a partner because Russia will be up against the entire West and it will be by itself and they will find China and China will always find Russia. The problem is, I think what the goal is here is if they get to somehow dismantle Russia into pieces, thank God that Russian people know it. So hopefully they won't get to see that day ever. but worst case scenario let's say the lucifer won the devil won and they got in and they dismantled russia i think they are saving china because they will always need an enemy so you know what i mean like they can never come out and say well that's it guys now we have no enemies there is no billing cat disinformation agent anymore like what are we gonna do now right so i think they're putting china in the corner as like a future possible fall and we saw the same kind of scenario unfold with turkey right so first it was iran and now they're slowly talking you know what turk is also a problem even though turkey aided them with with the you know al-jalani and all this whatever happened now turk is a problem so every time it's like i'm gonna use this guy, then I'm going to turn on him, kill him too, and move on.

Yes, exactly. There was this Brookings Institute report, I believe it was Brookings Institute, which passed to Persia, which says how to go to war with Iran. And the plan was that the road to Persia goes through Damascus. You first have to conquer Syria, then you can attack Iran, as it's happening And of course, in the larger geopolitical game, Russia and China understand that the next target after Iran would be Russia, and then the West would go after China.

Exactly. And finally, they will, in their twisted, rotten minds, they will bring about this one world order. it's just so crazy like do they really think that entire world awake you know people who are awakened will just roll over with it yeah many will you see that you saw that during covid many will but you don't need many people you only need a few rebels you only need a few people who will say no we choose god we choose jesus if you we're gonna fight like there will always be the resistant part of things and i think they hope they can handle it i really doubt that so guys tell me what you think about this um their idea of depopulation did that come to finland yet because you know the prince came out prince philip talking about i think the the biggest problem in the world is like you know it's overpopulated so do you think that are these talks like still going on in finland at all did it ever happen or they approach you in a different

way again that is very strong and europe is uh hysterical about the uh carbon dioxide it's so much and every every product you buy buy you always get this information that if you buy this you will be maybe if you buy something that is used you will be saving so many grams of carbon dioxide or if you take a bicycle you will save so many so and so many grams and so on

it's kind of it's a state religion so what um so let's go back to libya guys because i want to cram everything in this episode like we talked about syria we talked about globalists we talked about Finland's takeover. So now let's talk about what really happened with Gaddafi in Libya.

Yeah, so I was telling that we were doing this open source investigation, open source intelligence. So this was in 2011 and at that time there were many sources of information. Of course, Of course, we didn't have anybody there on the ground, but what we did is that we did crime scene analysis. And the tools were, of course, eyewitness reports, but then we had videos, YouTube videos, plenty of YouTube videos, and we had satellite images. But the first thing on anything, if the mainstream media claimed that something had happened, the first thing you do is to, you need to geolocate it. You need to know location, location, location. Where did it happen? And then you need to do the, find the timeline. In fact, on the geolocation...

believe that we were the uh the first one to do this to modern methods of geolocation looking at videos drawing and maps and drawing these colored lines against buildings and so that you can be they can be matched so this was okay so we could uh locate them put them in a timeline and then start reconstructing reconstructing events and and basically what happened is that we found out that whatever the mainstream media was telling it was the opposite had something quite opposite had happened and this kind of opened my eyes into seeing the media and the world very different i understand that we are in in fact living in an information bubble and it's almost impossible to

see outside the bubble and what is the reality. We're living in a Truman Show.

Yes, exactly. But once you have these eyes outside, you understand that you need to be very critical of anything that is told in the mainstream media. Basically, mainstream media stories about targeted countries. They may contain factual information, but they are governed by narrative. The narrative comes together from small pieces of facts and falsehoods. And the falsehoods that usually are included in any newspaper story about the target is somebody, the original term was factoids but maybe it's better to call about falsehoods meaning that you have a small piece of information or in fact disinformation that is so trivial that nobody will ever bother to negate it to prove that falsify it prove that it is false so you have these claims you have to claims about about Assad or whatever about Russia put in the story and even if the main story is the main claims may be true but you have these falsehoods everywhere wrapped around the story okay so I understand and I understood this and I became very critical of the mainstream media I totally lost my trust in anything okay so that was that was of course what happened is that people were killed and then the narrative well let's say from the very very beginning there was supposedly this huge massacre uh gaddafi had murdered 300 of his soldiers

that was the claim that gaddafi so is absolutely a terrible terrible dictator because he murdered his own 300 soldiers. That was the claim, right?

Yes, because they had refused to shoot our unarmed protesters. And there were two videos that were circulating on YouTube that were supposedly the proof about this. So this is what happened in the beginning of February 2011, and this led to the first UN Security Council sanctions on Libya. They confiscated 100 billion dollars of Libya's foreign investment. They still have not returned them.

On a fake claim, right?

Yeah, the fake, this claim was propagated by all the Western human rights organizing.

Some Americans have no clue what's going on. So you're saying there was this whole story that Gaddafi killed his own soldiers because they refused to shoot at the protesters. But then you said in reality, these 300 soldiers were actually captured by rebels.

Yes, they were 300, they were 50.

Which rebels?

Let's call them Islamist rebels.

Okay. The ones against Qaddafi.

Yes, against Qaddafi.

Yes.

Supported by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Of course, the biggest supporter, why is it always Qatar and Saudi Arabia when we get to, you know, these freaking terrorists? We'll get to it, but yeah, finish your story, we'll get to them.

The Saudis had a catastrophe in the different sides and in some cases you had the Qatari rebels and the Saudi rebels fighting each other. And of course Libya now is divided. The old god still has power. in eastern Libya, which was first taken over by the rebels. So what happened is that Gaddafi sent these Libyan soldiers from the southern Libya with a dark skinned by airplane to eastern Libya. When they arrived, the airport had already been taken over by rebels. 23 Libyan soldiers were captured, taking prisoners.

Wow.

There was some film going around about these captured soldiers. They tried to flee, but they were captured again. And then they were executed. And these two videos of the executed soldiers were floated around and over the internet on YouTube. And the claim was that Gaddafi had killed these people, and there were 300 of them as well. But how did the Western human rights organization turn the story around? There was this call for a no-fly zone over Libya. And the motivation was that these African mercenaries, Gaddafi is flying African people, African mercenaries from around Africa to northern Africa to fight rebels. Yes, because they were black. This was a racist claim against southern Libyans, dark-skinned Libyans, for being African. okay then there was another story that Gaddafi is giving Viagra to all his soldiers that they can they can rape their victims it turned out that when these 23 soldiers were arrested it turned out that one of them had a pack of Viagra with him and the rape the proof of the rape was that each pack i believe contains two pills

One of them had been used. Out of 300 soldiers, one had two Viagras for a poor guy and then they claimed... One was used, one was used. One was used and out of 300 soldiers one guy was on Viagra and used one and the entire claim was that like Gaddafi just gave Viagra to these people so that they could rape people. These people are mentally ill. I'm telling you, they are mentally ill to come up. Can you imagine what kind of person you need to be for this idea even to occur in your head? It can be a normal propaganda. You can say, Gaddafi killed them because of X, Y, like you can make up a normal human solid propaganda but no that's not who they are they

are perverts listen i was first like looking this amnesty international when it started to point out these human rights violations and and it was very often you know russia it was very often those enemies of america or this you know westerners so it it looked to me that they okay first of all these collective rights they always you know want to destroy the collective rights they are having this okay it was also american journalist this mark ames who brought about this you have very good journalists in america also but amnesty international was was the first one because i met them in Estonia and i really got very angry with them because they did not take into consideration of this Russian population when they all lost citizenship and so on because you know Finnish amnesty told me that we don't deal with the neighboring countries we don't take a side on you know cases in neighboring countries but they don't do anything else but they are always poking in russia they are they are always looking to russia and yeah so that

they were totally you know lying to me and so on in fact in fact estonia has or at least had a concentration camp where people would be would end up only for being russians okay but anyhow

this this first experiment on my own with amnesty international was very bad and actually it ended up like that that estonia has to have two amnesty internationals russians have their own and the the Estonians have their own and that cannot be a human. right case anymore, and so on. But also this human rights watch is something, but then always this free press. The first is the free, where is the most free press? And it's always Finland and Iceland. Because we don't have any foreign journalists, nobody's interested in our things. So we are having, you know, we are always on the top of the, you know, freedom of the press. And also, they have these categories that they don't accept state-owned media in Russia. If the media is state-owned, it can't be free. But also, these human rights organizations, usually when I hear that they are involved, I always think that America is coming to bomb you to the Stone Age. But they are just preparing the ground. The human rights organizations come and you know it's the same as you know in Hungary when this Samantha Power or somebody came from America with US aid and everybody said that be prepared and now the color revolution is coming. America is coming to make a color revolution because some of the power is already there.

So these are, I'm sorry, these are human rights organizations saying that? This is crazy.

people already know people really you know get scared when they hear that comes you know

some people are coming that you know no because they because they train themselves and they are right they saw what happened in ukraine in georgia in these places and they're like okay so now usa atlantic council all these people are prepping another revolution and again who like the question that we need to ask is these are typically NGOs, non-governmental organizations, yet everywhere they go, revolution happens, okay? Like they directly aid revolution. We know they fund people who go out in the streets to conduct revolution. So that tells me without a doubt that these organizations belong to intelligence agencies. If it has good intentions for the U.S., how is it that all these revolutions end up bad for us can i can i comment on this yes so before

the uh during the cold war in every country there was the u.s ambassador and the cia stations here and they had two different roles the cia station c was responsible for regime change and it was the role of the ambassador to report the facts, the actual facts that send the information back to Washington. But after the Cold War, these roles were respect. It became the role of the ambassador to organize the regime change. And the CIA station was the one reporting the factual code. And the way the organization was reorganized, well, the U.S. CEI was reorganized. The role was taken over by the State Department, and then it was subcontracted to something called the National Endowment for Democracy, which is an organization that stannels money to foreign NGOs, independent NGOs. And of course they work in close cooperation with the Soros Foundation and what's the name of the Open Society Foundation?

George Soros, Open Foundation, Open Society Foundation.

Yes. In fact, in Ukraine they were the main parties. The Open Society Foundation had already set up their headquarters in the, what's the name of the hotel, the Ukraine Hotel in Central.

Oh yeah, yeah, I know it's just called.

Kiev Hotel, Kiev Hotel, Kiev Hotel. And they had these snipers inside the hotel, which was controlled by the Maidan rebels, shooting at people and killing these 100, the heavenly hundreds.

I believe some of them were Georgian.

Yes, exactly. They were Georgians, which have confessed to being...

Are you born in the Soviet Union or in Georgia? Georgia. I told you, okay, because I was thinking, just commenting a little bit further when you were talking about this, what is the aim of globalists, and you were talking about dismantling Russia and so on, so I don't think, it's not only dismantling Russia, but destroying the heritage or the legacy of Soviet Union also, because all this,

and so on, and intelligence agencies, they are really after the international labor movement. They want to destroy the left-wing thinking in the West. And that is also, you know, there is also this Amnesty International and all these individuals who are pressing on individualism against collectivism. But so that there is a lot of, you know, in this state that it's not only Russia, but also this legacy of Soviet Union. And that's why we don't have any resistance because we don't have any left.

Well, they want to destroy good legacy of Soviet Union, not the bad one. They want the bad one implemented because you remember this Trotsky and all these people who were part of them, like globalists. And then Soviet Union was many different leadership, many different times. And they were different. all like stalin was nothing like trotsky completely different and of course then they chose khrushchev and everything like all this ukrainian nationality and this kind of started with that and this trotskyian ideology was implemented again so yeah they brought the communism on russia but then in my opinion stalin took it away and made it his his own thing and then they killed Stalin, implanted Khrushchev. And I remember this from my grandparents, because they said, they always said, during Stalin, we had different communism. I'm not saying Stalin was an angel, far from it. But they say that Stalin was its own thing. He was not part of globalists. He didn't want anything to do with it. He was a, in my opinion, I call it toxic patriot and he did everything for Soviet Union and for Russia but then they kill him and this Khrushchev guy comes in Ukrainian okay it's not a coincidence and I remember my grandparents telling me the first time after him coming to power he traveled to Georgia you know what he did he closed down every factory he could every factory yes because he was not for its own homeland and and you know soviet union he was pissed that georgians had more things and he actually closed it down and every georgian i can tell you this with absolute confidence

every Georgian hates Khrushchev because when everybody who understands anything about

Solid Union hates Khrushchev no you are absolutely right yeah yeah so Lina you were saying something

about um just to like rip up with this uh international organizations and human rights because I'm interested in it we never have these conversations in here in the U.S. only Candice is talking about it so your personal experience was that they are corrupt that they are also a tool

against russia is that what you were saying yes but they're a tool against of course third world countries china also everything they are just you know western tools for for for the rest of the world definitely you know i i don't like this kind of idea that you go somewhere to tell how do you have to leave or whatever they have these standards of western standards how you should live and what should be good life or democracy and so on. So I am very much against this way of thinking. I guess I have no trust in this human rights organizations. No, sorry. So we know it already that we have also done the same same operation.

Wait, what happened? Sorry. So during World War Two, what happened to children?

85 years ago.

We sent 70,000 of our own children.

Finnish families, Finnish mothers, mothers sent their children to Sweden for safety. Some of them returned, but in quite many cases, the children never returned to Finland. The families in Sweden who are taking care of them, adopted them, and these children became Swedish.

What? I mean, in that sense, you know, in that sense, Finland has no right to say to Russia or to say anybody that there happened a crime or something because we did the same. We used this opportunity to send our children to safety.

This was so amazing. Thank you for taking this time with me because even, you know, I didn't know, I consider myself American, but I grew up in Georgia. I was born in Georgia. Even I didn't know this stuff about Finland and European politics. So please tell my audience where they can find your work and where they can follow you. And I'll put down all the links below. Usually I am in Z's studio, we make streamings, but in Finnish, so that I very, very little do in English.

I have European followers, they might be, some might be from Finland, and we do have people from anywhere, so you are saying, how do you spell that?

Z, Z, like Operation Z in Ukraine.

Let's say it was the leading opposition talk show in Finland on YouTube. 10,000 viewers every episode, but it was taken down by YouTube, was it a year or two years ago? Most likely by orders of the Finnish government. there's no new channel but it only gets five thousand five thousand wow that's amazing well

thank you guys i will put down all your links below so my audience can go and check out your work you're wonderful thank you for all your help about finland i really appreciate it thank you guys

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