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What's up, everybody? Welcome to Flagrant. It's your boy, Schultze. I'm here at Alex Media, Marky Gags, Miles Media, Shifty's lurking in the room somewhere. We all just saw The Odyssey, except for Mark. Mark is continuing his, I refuse to watch movies. It's not even on purpose. I don't have time. Mark did a whole podcast for camp about The Odyssey, without seeing The fucking

Odyssey. Nobody cares about The Old Odyssey. Source material. Source material. I'm going the ancient sources son the ancient sources are fake too nah that's real to me this this is the

funny thing about like everybody's like oh oh nolan's interpretation from the odyssey is different from the real one and it's like we don't have a real one yeah we have some guy's interpretation of the odyssey like 700 years later now zeus is supposed to be greek bro you can't

make zeus fucking asian or whatever wait was he asian enough but if they did make him different races that'd be hilarious people will still be mad about it they'll be like dude zeus is supposed

to be a white guy did you guys think at all about like all right so alex saw it obviously miles saw it al is al is gonna take the wind right out of his sails i already know he's like i'm gonna be family can i be honest i ran out the theater because i was watching this theater and it was literally 12 people in there and it was a tiny theater it might have been like 60 seats so like the exact opposite of how nolan wanted you to watch this right it could not be more opposite and they all had like cartoonishly gray hair it was all there was like 12 old people that's the theater you go to get some head bro you don't watch movies there so yeah because they would have no fucking clue but anyway they were all watching it right and um i don't even know why i brought this up you ran out oh i ran out because i didn't want to hear any of the old people complain because i saw superman that same movie theater okay and before i could get out and feel the joy of the movie that I really liked they were like oh it's not like the old Superman so I ran out before I could have anybody mess it up so when I hit the chat and then you later that night said to me you're like three and a half out of five stars I was like it's okay I already had 24 hours of enjoying this before Alex

ruins it for me now the beauty of old people watching this is that the cameos don't take them out of it you know what I mean

I'll tell you one thing Lupita Nyong'o took them out of it immediately

probably that maybe a little but like my buddy went and saw with his mom and she was like the opening scene is travis scott yeah and he goes fucking travis scott and she goes what actor is that so she had no idea so all the cameos elliot page they're just like all right these are human my show didn't know that was travis scott until after the movie but everybody got so upset about

the travis scott pick like i get it no they got upset about the black people no not even about the black shit also there was probably mad black people in ancient greece right it should have been born oh really in the movie let's not get carried away what happened to all them when they went to hell the only time everybody's black in the movie is when they're in hades that's kind of fucked up right come on nolan you're better than that but um but yeah like i think i assume the idea was this was an ancient poem and poets back in the day would retell this story to people so they're taking a modern poet and starting the retelling of the story through him yeah is that that far-fetched no that's that's the that's what the defenders would say and that's the only rapper that fucking no one knows probably like i mean i mean dead serious like you would be surprised how many people get cast and things based on like their kids liking yeah yeah so nolan's kids favorite rapper is probably travis scott he thinks that's the only rapper that exists yeah and he's like i got fucking travis scott yeah i got the rapper yeah and everyone else is like oh it's because he likes batman there's nothing there's no correlation whatsoever but yeah i mean that's

kind of how the the odyssey was told there was a bunch of people like adding bars and shit basically back in the day retelling the story over and over big greek festivals and they would like kind of

change it and add their little things, put themselves in it. Also, just want to clarify, no spoiler alerts this entire episode. So you guys, if you haven't watched it, you will be... Bro, you don't have to say that. This is a 2,000-year-old story. Well, I just wanted to say that because we're going to spoil the fuck out of it. Yeah, that's what I'm like. It's a fun little game. If you haven't heard anything about the honesty at this point, dude. Fast forward to this part right

here, if you don't want to hear about this shit.

Don't spoil passionately to Christ. Miles is going to put the timestamp right here, guys. I'm going to put the timestamp where Al cuts something out of the pod. Anyway, I didn't fucking, I didn't have any issue with the Travis Scott, like, opening up. I kind of saw what he was going to do. And also, if you think about it, like, if the history is oral, it's an oral tradition, right? Like, this story has been maintained over thousands of years before people were writing anything down simply because it was a fire story and people like to retell it, right? So kind of the movie is all, not all, a lot of.

of it is told through story yeah you know so it's like Matt Damon's character is talking to Charlize Theron and she's like tell me what you remember and then look at this story and then you heard uh Jon Bernthal's character's talking to Tom Holland and this is what happened so the oral tradition exists within the movie which I thought was kind of fire it was a nice little nod the

story in and of itself is a tall tale like it's all told flashback from Odysseus being like nah the craziest shit happened ever. And then him just making up stuff.

Is it foul to say this is the same way the Bible came together? No. Because isn't it the same? To an extent you could say, yeah. It was just oral for mad long and then eventually somebody wrote it down and then some interpretation of it is different from other people's interpretation.

You could say that. I don't know. The Bible is wholly true and pure. Was it oral forever? None of the apostles were writing shit down? It was like shortly after the death of Christ. They were starting to write down letters and stuff like that. That's a long time. Maybe a decade, something like that, you know? Sources differ on this. Isn't the Old Testament? But then you got the Old Testament. You got the OT. You know what I mean? OT, they're writing that shit down all the time.

No, but like, so what are you trying to say? That it like didn't happen? Which one are you trying to say didn't happen? Which one got higher than starting? Which one's more believable?

It's up for interpretation is all.

Why is everybody saying this story is unbelievable? You don't think a guy who's been away fucking bitches for 10 years at war is going to take the long way home?

Like, I think people, like, when you go home from work. Yeah, you take the scenic route. Fuck, I'm going to take the tri-borough bridge. Yeah. Like, sometimes. You're not trying to get right back to responsibility. No, you got to see the Hudson a little and then come back. Enjoy the spoils of war. Exactly. You win the war and you're not going to celebrate a little bit. Exactly.

It is funny because they're like, dude, the journey took 20 years. It's like, it took a couple and he was on an island banging Calypso for a decade.

That was another thing. And Cersei. They didn't have any, and Cersei, and went back. You know, he went back to the Cersei lady. Oh, I didn't know that. And put a seed in her. This is crazy.

I didn't see that part.

This allegedly happens after, but he gets the pig lady pregnant without even knowing. She is a kid. That ugly bitch? But back in the day, maybe it was different.

Yeah, you're at sea for a while, you know? Sea goggles. It changes things. Ooh. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

so uh and then i guess maybe this happens i learned it from the internet so who knows but uh has a kid kid goes to look for his dad finds uh odysseus on an island randomly doesn't know his dad kills him marries odysseus's wife which is his mother kind of yeah half mom and then tom holland's character goes and marries cersei it's so hot what version is this tiktok bro don't ask questions go see the odyssey it's like people that they write their own versions of fucking harry potter and shit like that yeah yeah this is this that's yeah that's literally what this is okay yeah and the version that we got is just like low-key the original version could be ass i don't know about that it could be ass and the version we got was the first dude to write it down and he might have been the greatest interpreter ever yeah that's why i'm like anybody criticizing nolan is like nolan made it better than the original like this is if you read the original nolan's version is 10 times better because uh odysseus isn't a dick yeah like if he made odysseus a likable character you could root for that was like vulnerable that's not odysseus yeah odysseus was an asshole like the whole journey is him dealing with his pride pride becomes hubris and he thinks he could take on the gods and all this stuff and they're like little glimpses of it in the story in like in no one's version and they don't even really make sense

that was one of the things i didn't like about talk to me so it's like you either have to make him the likable guy or he has to be the asshole who becomes the likable tell me the two blaring moments for you um when he shoots the fucking giant and fuck what was the other one not the for no reason yeah fuck and then i think i kind of felt this when he was like lying to his people even though i know he was trying to protect them but what's the second point why you got to hear

the sirens that's pure ego yeah to me it's pure ego now i get it i get it right like these people

are willing to kill themselves but i want to be the only one to hear it and it's pure ego it's

like i thought you're trying to get home to your wife and kid but you're gonna risk all that just to hear it yeah so no you want to hear it bro i literally you just want to know yeah we all want to do a lot of things you're not supposed to do that's the whole point of the odyssey you want

to hear that's that's the human instinct to be like yo i need to know i want to take the lotus

flower and forget everything that's happened that's given me pain yeah but the only way home is through. Yeah, I know, but Zambars are fire. You know what I mean? Zambars are fire.

That's what the lotus flower is. That's what I'm saying. It's like, yo, you got to go home tonight, right? You got your girl back home. Yeah, but my boy's got, he's going to QB sneak me. Do I stop it? That's the human condition.

Now let me tell you this, though. I think in the original Odyssey, the original fake one that the guy interpreted

for himself, I don't

think he takes the lotus flower. He doesn't. And it doesn't happen with Calypso. Those are two separate things. So the homies all take it because they want to forget what happens.

Yeah, and then he's got to tie him down to the boat and bring him back yeah he's like i'm i'm determined so he's the good guy in that one

yeah yeah also what you give the movie out of five stars let's let's turn i think it's i think it's

i think it's one of the greatest movies i've ever seen i think christopher nolan is the greatest filmmaker that we've ever seen and um i think it i think it's his his best movie bullshit can i can I make a can I make a little argument here okay best movie it's up there movies are back

no in all seriousness um do not believe anything he said this could this could only this guy

function in a theater okay if you put it streaming i think that we would be like scrolling we'd be kind of distracted by shit it because let's be honest it's about an hour and 45 minutes of build-up and then the last 45 to an hour is jordan in a closeout game okay but the first hour 4445, if you're at home with all distractions that you have, you have Instagram, you're Googling shit, your friends are sending, you're answering text messages, you got work you got to do. I don't know if you're hanging out through like, OK, it's a Cyclops. OK, here's some tall giants. OK, here's a girl that turns people into pigs. Like that part, like to me, I was like, you got to honor the story. I get it.

But it really sounds like you're describing the best movie ever.

The last hour, you realize what all that meant. And he edges you for an hour. OK. or edges you for two hours and then the last hour i was literally like getting up out of my seat like i had my hands in the fucking air dude when he strums the bow in that final seat and then it matches up with the music because there's two regular strums then he does the third beat the idea the only other times he's strung the bow in the movie is for what reason to let the you gotta warn your prey yeah the prince is stupid as fuck but go but again this is a version of him being an honorable man which odysseus wouldn't be like the actual odysseus from the odyssey would never show him a bow he'd see an animal and it was like you know feeding its kid and he would crack it over the head with a rock hellfire missile exactly yeah yeah yeah but the uh the fact that he's warning his prey and his prayer all in there and the only person that gets is the person that's seen him do that in the past is rar paths his character and he just dips

immediately because he knows what time yes but it's like he all this time away finally he's getting over his pride and his ego and he's making it home and then i want to take on a hundred niggas by myself that is getting over pride and ego not trying to talk to them first maybe hey do you guys actually respect me if I show you who I am let me lock you niggas in a room and I'm going to take you on 101 is that the actions of somebody who really wants to be with his wife he was trying to die

no why is nobody talking about maybe Penelope's shit stink a little because like there's no reason you're going to war for 10 years and taking the long way back

that's why she need the gate

and he went

It's like, yo, you just need a little distance, but from a distance, I'm a bad bitch, but don't get a whiff of it.

Because there is some, there's got to be some truth to that. Like, that's a crazy, that's a crazy journey. Quick tour announcements. We are about to release a bunch of dates that we're going to in the fall. We've set up this system where you can literally text Schultz to 858-758-2309, or you just go to theandrewschultz.com and drop your phone number in the website and you will be notified if we are coming to a place near you or you'll be notified early when we are going to release those tickets. Okay? I know that we've been playing a lot of these clubs and, you know, the clubs are not that big. So, you know, the tickets might go quickly. This is how we get the hour ready and how we, you know, get ready to do the tour. So that's going to be happening in the fall. I want to give you guys, obviously, the people who are listening to the Soul Asshole Army the opportunity to get them first. So if you go text that.

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touche price line price line and like purposely takes the long way he could have went with agamemnon right agamemnon was taking the trade routes and he goes nah let's just see what's out there in the ocean like no urgency to get back to the wife and kid or the kingdom and i think nolan's interpretation is fire which is like i didn't want to go home i knew what we did we broke zeus's law that's going to spill across civilization we broke the one thing that holds civilization together right this like and some people are trying to project like um kind of christian morality onto it but i think that zeus's law is like xenia or something like that video xenia yeah it's hospitality hospitality so it's basically like you know we're seafare people you're gonna bump into some like town you don't know anybody but you need them to survive let's just make sure it's mutual and we'll all kind of get along yeah works out great and christianity probably in every other culture adopts a version of this treat people how you want to be treated but so like him going back and fucking up all the suitors is also breaking xenia's law

and that's why he's exiled but i think they broke xenia first by eating up all this shit trying to bang his girl so i thought about that i don't think they did they didn't because they

didn't attack him as long as you don't attack any of the people there like no not even him well technically they try to kill his son or whatever but like they held back but they were plotting to kill plotting but then they held back they didn't hold back he held them back he killed them all in athena's tomb they weren't in the house it doesn't matter where you're outside the house the rules don't reply no more now now we boys the zeus's law is like specifically towards eating and where you eat all right so here here check it they overstayed their welcome yes which is arguably breaking the law like as so as a visitor you got to come with a gift and you got to not take too much.

You got to respect the host. They were drinking the wine drive.

You're drinking the wine drive. But here's the thing. They think Odysseus is dead. It's been 20 years. Anybody who doesn't think there's one person that doesn't think Odysseus is dead. The dog. Yeah, Argo. And they got loyalty built in. Also, Argo's.

That was the scene I got.

That little. The little tail.

I fucking started sounding like a doctor. That was the scene I got. That shit was crazy, bro.

That's how fired dogs are. He wrote that 2,000 years ago. 2,000 years ago, we were like, dogs are the only ones that will ride for you forever. And Eumaeus. But Eumaeus believed he was dead. He just rode for him forever.

But the fact that he took him in without even knowing who he was, fire. Think about it because he still has the code. He still believes it's his code. But the other thing is, think about Eumaeus and the dog. They're metaphors for Ithaca and civilization. they're decomposing when you first meet these people right they are amazing warriors the dog's this loyal spry thing and by the end he's just lying in fucking shit

this is what has happened to your great kingdom right this is what happened to your society and the second he comes back i guess there's this like transfer he's like argos knows he can go because you know the king is home this thing i've been watching mad youtube

videos son i love it i love it i think it's just you get why it's the greatest story this is why

alexander the great slept with it under his pillow son it was like it was the undergirding

of all greek civilizations so i like can i just respond to that fucking lie this is the beauty This is the beauty of ancient shit You could just make it up Yeah And we can't say nothing about it Like Alexander the Great didn't have a pillow You know what I mean We're supposed to believe This motherfucker is just marauding all around Why didn't he have a pillow bro Every night before he goes to sleep He says Where's my copy of the Elliot in the Odyssey

Let me put it under here Fuck out of here But he had a pillow bro I'm telling you

You believe Alexander the Great was Greek. I love whatever I'm meant to say. You believe it was straight. Nah.

It's not carried away. It's not carried away. One question about the Cyclops in the movie.

Oh, you were going to say something. I cut you off. This was a movie that it was so long, but it kept me engaged the whole time. I didn't feel like it was so long. Yep, yep. So much so that I had to pee in a cup because I didn't want to miss a second of it, bro. I didn't get up to pee either. I have to be real with the world. I got to get it off my chest. This is the litmus test, bro. I did. Pack theater? In the theater. Pack theater? Yeah, but I was a ****, so it's a separate joint, so nobody can see me. Fire.

Listen, how do you do it? How do you do it? Oh, you pull just... Pulls it out the side?

Hit the side joint. So you pop it all the way out. Pop it out. Is that a felony? Didn't Kiwi Herman go to jail for this? I wasn't stroking it. You had to shake it. You had to shake it.

You displayed it. Yeah, you displayed it. You displayed it, and there was kids in that fucking movie, dude. I'm black. You couldn't see. garnishing right that's technically garnishing i'm pretty sure you can't do that no brandishing anyway you were gonna ask so in when he's talking to the cyclops yeah he says oh it's my name's nobody he doesn't say i know that's like the best part i love that it's so clever there are

versions so one of the things about this is he was the smartest motherfucker right so like everything he did is clever and he found ways to like outsmart the opponents he's not like brute strength like you know like an achilles is or something like that um and his cleverness i think there's is like his downfall in a way because he thinks he's so clever that he can outsmart the gods right and he has to learn that lesson that no you cannot because my understanding from the

original he's talking to cyclops he's like the cyclops trying to get him and all his boys he says i'm nobody the cyclops yells out nobody's hurting me and then all the other cyclopses are like oh nobody's hurting you sounds like you're going crazy they said who hurt you he goes uh he goes nobody yeah so they're like oh i guess nobody and then they say pray to the gods you seem like you're sick yeah and then he leaves he gets on the boat and he goes actually i'm not nobody i'm actually odysseus son of this guy ruler of this kingdom conquer of cities yeah and then that's how the cyclops knows and then the cyclops tells his daddy poseidon who's poseidon And then he fucks up the sails and the seas. Poseidon curses him, and that's why he has to go everywhere. And all that's in the movie. But that, no, that's not. That's the best shot. That's the shooting him in the house. It also makes more sense because he doesn't take the long way home because he's being a dick. He's taking the long way home because the gods are cursing him.

Yes. Well, yes, 100%. And in the movie, he takes, he doesn't take the long way. He takes a different way because he's like, I'm done being with Agamemnon. Like, I think he never wanted to go to war in the first place.

But they don't explain why he would do that. If you're trying to get home to your wife and this is the trade route to go home, it doesn't explain why you would choose to take the long way.

My understanding of the explanation, and I think you learned this when he's kidnapped with Calypso, is that he knew what he did. So let's go back to this Trojan horse thing. when we learned about the i think it's fagels's version of the odyssey i think that's like the most common one that we all do there's another version rachel wilson i think her name is right and i some say that like nolan is working off her adaptation which is like maybe like a little bit more soft you know the internet is it's more feminized or whatever it doesn't matter like he basically has more trauma based on what happened and feels worse about what happened in Troy versus Fagel's interpretation is like he's like I'm the boy did you see what I did so when we read the Odyssey we thought the horse was this genius feat in war that's how I always interpreted what a Trojan horse was they outsmarted the enemy we outsmarted the enemy Nolan's interpretation is you broke Zeus's law. You offered up the horse as a gift. Hospitality. Hospitality. And then took advantage of that. And then in the movie, while there, they cut Athena's head off. And there's a statue of Athena. And when you see Tom Holland's wife, what's her name? Euphoria.

Zendaya.

Zendaya, throughout the movie, she's representative, I think, of like a young priestess, like a young girl that lived in Troy that was, you know, part of the Church of Athena or whatever it was.

Another thing I didn't like. I think she's supposed to be Athena. She's supposed to be Athena.

Well, well, but she is, her look is supposed to represent this young girl that gets beheaded or whatever there. And it's a reminder to Damon or Odysseus what he did. This act, breaking Zeus's law, what he did. And he has to deal with that every single second that he sees her.

And that was another thing I didn't like. I feel like they just wanted to jam-pack this shit full of A-list. Zendaya added nothing to the story. Interesting. the first time i've ever seen her acting where it's like you didn't do anything like she usually blows me away she usually steals scenes she's like an actress i feel like they didn't give her anything to do that's interesting i'm just gonna sit here and remind you of guilt but really not say anything that important anything monumental can you remember a single line she said

no but i do the scene where she's on the cross where they're gonna cut her head off and then they juxtapose it with slicing the head of the statue off. I thought it was acted beautifully. I mean, she's also ethereal. Just the way that she looks, she has this heavenly look to her. So maybe there's part of that.

But it's like the whole time you're thinking, oh, she's just reminding him of one of the people they killed in Troy. But the whole time she's supposed to be Athena. But they didn't really make that.

She doesn't have the death of Damon's character or Anne Hathaway, who's the fucking goat. Anne Hathaway might be the fucking goat, dude.

She killed it. Damon killed it. Damon. Another thing I didn't like, they made Tom a pussy, bro. How you train fighting all this training, and then the two times you're fighting, you're getting your shit pushed in. That's Telemachus. Both times he was fighting, and he was looking like a pussy. And he's 20. But you've been trained your whole life. You should be nice. No, that's what I'm saying.

By that time, he's 20. It's not like he's a little boy. Yeah, he's a prime. Yeah, he's at least 21 or whatever if she was pregnant right before he left. Something like that. Interesting.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I got it. Another thing I didn't like, Helen's supposed to be the most beautiful person who started wars and all this type of stuff. No, no, no. I like the choice that they scarred her face because it's like oh look even everybody was vying for this person who started wars and look at the result of wars and all that shit but then you give her an identical twin sister it takes away from her beauty why the fuck we're all fighting over this one when you got an identical baddie i didn't know this they gave her an identical twin sister you

take away from her beauty in greece they they did that in like the greek version of it i don't know I don't think he's a twin.

No. He doesn't get scarred. I never read that. No, no, hold on. Let's back up. She has sisters, but not an identical. Can we just look? You're sure of that? I'm a hunched that I looked this up. That's stupid.

I mean, I think what happens is he had reached the limit of black people. He was going to put in the movie. Still 10 for 10. Still 10 for 10. She had one sister. But was he a twin sister? Nothing here says twin yet. Come on.

No, her sister was Climenstra, and they were not usually described as twins. Sounds like a venereal dude. she did have brothers that were twins, Castor and Pollux. And in some myths, Leda laid two eggs containing Helen, Climestra, Castor, Pollux, but the exact sibling pair like a parent. Chippin' away, Harry. No, no, I think, I think,

no, no, no, no. I saw that, and I was like, identical twin sisters, weird, because like, why are we fighting over this girl? The way that, the way that Nolan would justify it is, I think Damon says it like, this wasn't a war over Helen. this is a war over shipping routes and they need to break the stronghold like loki i was like is this a metaphor for the strait of war moves like what does this guy predict in the future but remember he said that agamemnon wants to break the stranglehold that troy has over the shipping

routes i get it but the way the way the story has been told for ages is a hundred percent fighting

over a hundred percent but maybe he can justify that maybe that was done on purpose to justify like it wasn't made

over a pretty chick no one right would fucking go to war over a pretty chick to me that's even dumber like there's no girl so beautiful you got to go over war there's plenty of beautiful women everywhere but if this kingdom had control the shipping routes we need a justification to go over there for fucking 10 years straight and bang out i get it but then if that's going to be the reason to do it then her face doesn't need to be scarred i think that the scarring how i would interpret is how you did which is beautiful which is like all beautiful things age and wither or get destroyed and then what was it worth in the

first place like look what hubris does look what pride does look what ego does my understanding is in the original paris takes helen from menelaus and that's what causes it it's not that she's

it is that she's so beautiful take her bro well she won't be taken that's the thing it's disputed

some versions say she was kidnapped some versions say she went willingly but ultimately it's ego

Can't kidnap the welling, bro. Let's keep it a buck. She was tight to be where they were with Jon Bernthal at the end. She was tight. She didn't want it. She wanted to be with Orlando Bloom. Yeah. She was with Orlando Bloom's, Detroit. I get it. I get it. You get it. Yeah, I get it. No disrespect to Jon. Great actor. But Orlando Bloom?

God damn.

Come on, bro.

But it's like, it's ego. It's like Bowser's Castle shit. You know what I mean? Yes. Like, you stole the princess, now I gotta get her back.

And that is, you know, the death of man. yeah it's tied to ego yeah you know and i think like i guess in a lot of ways there is the story there it's like how you can be humbled but i like nolan's version better i like the idea of like yes miles there are some versions that say she was born from the same egg and use the word twin but not a ton it's not very so he grabbed it and went with that but even then it lends itself more to alex's thing which is like you don't gotta fight a war just take your brother's girl be Like, yo, they took mine. Yeah. Swim around. Actually, no, Agamemnon's, Agamemnon also had the equally hottest girl in the world. So his brother, his brother would have to lose his girl and he'd be like, hey, man, this sucks, bro. Yeah, this is what it is. I know what you're missing, literally. I did like how they depicted Agamemnon, though. It's kind of cool. He looked like a badass.

Do they show the land of the dead when he sees his mom? No. No. this is fire from the original his parents aren't in it all really no so in the original he goes to the land of the dead he sees achilles yeah the greatest warrior to ever live and achilles is standing there the land of the dead and says a crazy line he goes i would rather be a farmhand working in someone else's field to instead of being the king over all the dead and so it's just a fire line we're like yeah like all this war and all this fighting is it really worth it and then he sees his mom and this is the most devastating part he goes to embrace her and she falls through his arms three times and says that she died waiting for him to return damn oof and when you have that in the original you're all of a sudden like oh his motivation ramps up he's holding his own mother who died waiting for him and now he's like i gotta go back they should have put that in

right like how beautiful is that they should have put that in to this talking about like parents and lineage uh agamemnon's dad is i don't know his father atreus timothy chalamet and dune is house atreides which is the direct lineage of agamemnon oh

oh shit that's cool that's multiverse yeah i mean it's happening thousands and thousands

and thousands of years in the future but the idea is you are descendant of a lineage of kings i thought that was kind of far and that's also the influence of the odyssey on every story yeah i mean the the coolest thing about like especially the oral traditions that maintain and the bible is definitely one of these is like an oral tradition is only maintained in the same way that like a street joke is only maintained over thousands of years if it's great and relatable and this story is the simplest most relatable story in the world a guy is trying to get back to his wife before other guys fuck her like at its core it's like before they fuck her and kill his son at its simplest you're like I relate to it immediately and I want that guy to get back I immediately want that guy to get back why was he away? Because he had to fight a war he didn't want to fight I want to get back even more yeah like and it really made me think of any story any story how can you what is the simplest version of of what is happening here and like how do you mythologize and how do you mythologize that even things that are happening in in our reality without magical beasts like what is the simplest version of it you know like i know like i i always heard this about like transformers like the simplest understanding of Transformers is just like a boy gets his first car.

fire you know what i mean and like the excitement the connectivity freedom freedom right like okay i can get on board with that and then you make the magic around it like even i made me think of that tom hanks movie big where he goes into the gypsy thing and becomes an adult and like i i don't know if this is it but like as i reflect back on it is it like is it like youth is beautiful and i miss it and it isn't it isn't until you are placed into the responsibility of an adult that you get to go man we really had it fucking good yeah and what we would do to go back yeah you know waste it on the young youth wise yeah yeah so like it's just such a simple idea and then you build in all this like magic around it yeah that makes it relatable to like

the present day but the underlying thread is a human feeling and and the only stories that will

persist out for thousands and thousands of years are that yeah that's the only i i stand by that it's like and it made me think of things that we're working on and like projects that we've written and i'm like what is the mythology of this like if i could make this a greek myth what would it be and if i can't explain it we got to change it yeah like how do we simplify it and And we simplify it in a way where it's like for centuries, people could feel that exact impact. And I think oftentimes like the best joke or the best screenplay or whatever, it's taking something that is very obvious and doing the best spin on it. Yeah. The best joke is not like the most out there arbitrary absurd thing. The best joke is a relationship joke. Yeah. The most relatable stuff.

It's the most fundamental thing done in a new way.

It's the most fundamental thing done in a way that you've never seen before. You're like, how the fuck did I not point that out?

Yeah. I mean I think that goes across everything like any type of art design like think about like Virgil's shoes right it's like okay this is a relatable thing I've seen a Jordan but he's done it in a way I've never seen

yeah whereas like the super abstract weird thing you're like okay that might be cool for a little it might trend for a little it's pushing too far but we're never going to remember it we'll wear the fucking Jordan ones or Air Force ones will go in and out of popularity for our entire lifetime a version of it will exist for our kids their kids like yeah so so how do you simplify everything that's that's me literally i went back to like projects that we're working on and i was talking to guys and i'm like what is the mythology of it yeah i

mean even like the bible if you look at it just purely as fictional mythos it's like a perfect person sacrifices the most valuable thing his life for people that don't deserve it yes it's like the most fundamental like the most beautiful thing you could imagine a human being doing and

like and i would be honest i think there's even like a more simple version of it like he doesn't have to be the most perfect person it's just like sacrificing yourself for someone else is just and then what is the heightened version of that is the most perfect person sacrifice

himself for the most imperfect people and then to add to it a father gives up his child to die for those people that don't deserve it.

You know what I mean? So now you just build. Yeah. The Bible's a trolley problem? I know. At its core. What irony. Alex O'Connor is obsessed with philosophy and trolley problems and has used a lot of his professional career to debunk the Bible. Yet the Bible is the greatest trolley problem that's ever existed.

There's actually a beautiful short film. If you're interested, you're 100% going to cry. It's like 20 minutes. Yeah. But it's a train conductor. That's literally a train bridge operator. Yeah. and his little son is playing he's like six years old playing near the bridge and the train's not supposed to come and the train is full of a bunch of people doing drugs and like sex addicts and like just like heathens and like they paint them in like a very poor light and then the train takes the wrong diversion and is going towards the track that his bridge is on and the bridge is up and his son is underneath the bridge and now he's standing there like what do i do do i lower the bridge and kill my son to save all these people on the train or do i leave it up save my son's life and let the people on the train die and they're not even supposed to be there in the first place and it's just like a beautiful metaphor and uh save my son not even a question well you should watch it because it's pretty crazy i won't spoil my fucking question

they're not supposed to be there no train takes the wrong uh the wrong switch oh the train took

the wrong like the train is supposed to go this way towards the road instead it goes this way

towards the mountains where the bridge is up oh so it's the train and the conductor did that it was his fault yeah so it was the conductor's it was someone else's fault not the guy controlling the bridge oh my god okay now it's getting a little bit more i thought that they were just

like vagabonds in the middle of the track no no no oh god these are people on a train they're innocent too crazy but i have a question about the other stuff that's in it yes the sirens

yes how are they depicted no uh you you see them in the distance real distance yeah they're like Aren't they supposed to be a bunch of...

baddies yes but there's like different interpretations i've seen like birds with

like a human that's like the og depiction which is hilarious yeah that they're birds with human heads oh really it's so funny og mermaids yeah and then they're later depicted as mermaids yeah but the interesting thing that i didn't realize from the original is that he's not seduced by their beauty it's a sound not seduced by the sound oh what is it they offer him truth they say to him through song we'll tell you everything about what happened to troy we'll tell you all the secrets of the universe. We'll tell you everything if you just come to us. And so he's ultimately seduced in the story by truth. It's almost like Garden of Eden type shit. Well, that's a better

explanation for why he himself doesn't put the beeswax in his ears. Because he wants to hear the truth.

And so they offer him all the knowledge that's ever to be had. And he's like, oh, I want to go. And then you see bodies of people piled up. Other humans that did it, but he's so seduced by it. He's like, I want to go. Despite all the bodies like he's almost like in this illusion not thinking about his imminent death even more i'm hearing this version i'm even more upset that nolan kept this stuff out of it i i agree because

it just did seem like selfishness yeah why he did it but like there's another funny thing with calypso oh wait tell me before we go to calypso i want to just go to this that one thing about because what he said the dialogue in that moment they're like what was the song of the sirens like his uh his like first mate on the ship who's going to be playing a greek soldier and didn't do a single push-up for six months of preparation and you got some nerve and hathaway learned how to sew a fucking thing like she for mad damon learned how to shoot a bow and arrow the indian guy couldn't do a curl he knew he was going to be in the movie he wasn't like a late addition you got Street Fighter coming up I asked them if I I asked them if I should get buff and they said you're a comedian he's a Greek soldier cause he knew so the guy goes what was the song of the sirens like and Odysseus goes all the things you wanted to be and then all the things you wished you never wished for it was a delicious itch you want to scratch but you find it under the skin and can't reach it so the delicious itch becomes unbearable I told you what you most want is what you most can't have, and that what you most can't have is what you already had and lost. It was a song of all the promises I failed to keep, and it told me I don't really want to go home. and the same song you hear at the sirens is the one you hear when he sees his wife whoa what does that mean

like he didn't want to go back no it is like

this is the thing I desire the most

I see

this is the thing that I need

this is the thing that I want partial truth partial lie from the sirens

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The thing with Calypso. Yeah. He's on the island for a while. Yeah. There's a hilarious line. One, there's a few. It says that she no longer pleased him.

Smashed the shit out of Calypso in the real version. This is why it's like he's way more likable now. You want him to be like a faithful man.

Yeah.

But he was fucking the dog shit out of Calypso for years, got tired of the pussy, and then went home. Which is hilarious.

That makes way more sense. It says she no longer pleased him. Yeah. Which means that at one point she was pleasing him. Yeah. A lot. A lot. And then there's a hilarious line where she goes, don't leave. Why are you going to leave? And he goes, I got to go. I got shit to do. And she goes, I'll make you immortal. So gives him a deal that if he stays, he'll basically become a god. And then he has a line and says, I know my wife Penelope doesn't stand up to the beauty of Calypso. Oh, shit. But I must go back anyway. It was my honor to go back.

First of all, top tier gaslighting by real Odysseus. The fact that he just threw that in there. No, but let me ask you this question. I mean, this is going to be a little trickier for you to answer because you are like the real Odysseus. No, you're not real Odysseus. I'm a gay Nolan Odysseus. You're Nolan Odysseus. You're committed to your wife no matter what. Yeah, I'm the fake Odysseus. But this is something that's going to be more relatable to Al and definitely to Miles. To you, nigger. Okay, and to me. Fuck out of here. Check it, check it. Imagine, imagine you're with a girl, okay? That you are locked on an island with her. that you got tired of and then she offered you to live forever kill me that's what I'm saying being with a girl you don't want to be with you already want to die and then she's like you can live forever bitch kill me now if I can't go it's got nothing to do with Penelope I don't want to be around you anymore the only saving grace I have is I could die one day you about to take that away from me Get me off this fucking island. No, we've been on a safe boat. When he said that, I was like, who the fuck wants that? That's torture, bro. Once a dude's brain switches, like he had a good six and a half years with Calypso. He was like, this is lit. She's doing shit my wife would never do. Bounce on a crazy style. Bounce on a crazy style. That was a long honeymoon phase right there. I mean, like so many different things. Yeah. And then he got tired of it. He's like, all right, I'm good. I'm done. The chat is garbage. Like, we don't have anything to do. I'm bored. Then she's like, I'll just make you live forever. He's like, this forever. Put me back in the horse.

Get me the fuck out of here. In your version, did he know about, did he remember his wife and kid the whole time he was with Penelope or whatever? I think so, yeah. Because he wasn't on the Lotus.

He was even way more of a piece of shit.

It's how he can survive, bro. It's the only way he can survive. Yo, that's crazy.

Like, how do you know that your wife and kid

waiting for you back home?

The whole rest of the army. Let's do another year. Let's run it. The whole rest of the army went home. And he was like, yo, we're going to go check out this bar over in Hoboken real quick before we go back.

He wasn't ready to go home. Nah, Nolan's interpretation of this shit is. I think he's still on the boat the whole time.

It takes him seven years to build a boat in the OG. Is that what it is? And also Hermes. Oh, that makes sense. He was grabbing the pieces of the boat. He doesn't even go home after Calypso. He goes back to Cersei. But in the OG, Zeus goes, yo, you got to go get our boy. Sends Hermes down there. Hermes goes, yo, you guys can't be doing this. he gets let free

also in the original one time when he went to Cersei the pig lady he smashes her for a year and then his boys go yo it's time like we got it we're not pigs no more we gotta go yeah like please can we go home we got one

He's like, yo, stop hating, bro. Like, just because I'm getting sucked. Quiet, Piggy. Yeah, go on.

It's super ambitious because it's like, there's no way you fit all the stories in a movie's time.

Yeah.

And so you have to pick and choose what parts you keep in or whatever. And it's like, you have to change the story in order to even make it cohesive. Yeah. Because I do feel, even though it was long, it did feel a little rushed. I'm like, every time we go back to Matt Damon, there's another fucking big situation you're going through.

it's a 24 book story yeah this is this is the i forget who said this i want to give credit to them i don't know if it was uh trey parker and matt stone or uh the rick and morty guy i think it's trey parker i know what you're gonna say right it's like one of the the tricks to sell telling a story yeah it's not and then it's therefore it's something i've always thought about after seeing that like even when i was doing life it's like nothing should be like and we went here and then we did that and then we did that no this thing should force the next thing to happen so there and this is i think there's a little bit in the odyssey that feels a little bit and then it's like we got the cyclops and then we got this and then we got the whatever whereas when a story is really moving there's no in then the cyclops is causing is forcing you

into the next thing. Poseidon fucks up the sails and the wind takes him somewhere else.

That sounds like the greatest movie of all time you're describing.

I'm just saying. I'm just saying. But this is my feeling about it when I was watching it and I knew going into it because I remember reading it going all right, all right, all right. And then you get to the last when he gets home. And I'm like, all right, this is the greatest filmmaking that I've ever experienced in my entire life where literally the sounds of the movie make me want to get out of my

fucking seat. Now, can I ask you about when he goes home? Yes. There's something in the original from Homer. He goes there, kills everyone.

Homer. Yeah, Homer, whoever Homer is. Kills everyone. Odysseus is a dick. What he's going to say, I just want to let you know, he's a dick. A modern society is not ready for Odysseus. They're ready for the new Odysseus. They're ready for Nolan's

Odysseus. Go. Odysseus, his son, Emmaus, another shepherd, they kill all the people, right? Okay. And then he calls all the slave women that are working on the property and says hey clean up all the bodies wipe off all the blood and then he asks his boy I think it's Emmaus he says or maybe it's one of the other women he says who are those slave women that slept with the suitors and then he takes all them hangs them kills them in front of everyone and goes these women dishonored me they dishonored my kingdom they slept with the suitors in my home takes them all out he did he did he kept that with the Mia Goff.

So just imagine there was a bunch of Mia Goff. Okay. Got it. So he does include that. There's a Mia Goff character that was fucking Robert Pattinson. Also, in the real version, Robert Pattinson and a few others get in the guts of Penelope. Penelope was not faithful either. Is that true? Yeah. Is that true? Look that up. Yeah, I don't know about that. Look that up. That kills the movie for me, because it's not about fucking. It's about ascending to the throne. I hear you, but come on. Like, tell the real. All right, I'm asking to drip it right now. He made this shit fucking rated G. Well, what he did is he made it a love story because that's what's going to connect to our civilization. We're not ready to accept that Odysseus got back home after all that time, immediately left so he could go rob a bunch of other towns so he could refill his coffers, and then immediately left again because he realized, I'm bored at home.

I have it here. Correct me if I'm wrong, Miles. In Homer's original Odyssey, Penelope is faithful to Odysseus. She does not sleep with any of the suitors or choose a new husband while he's away. Why are you trying to make on Penelope, bro? There were later non-Homeric traditions claiming Penelope was unfaithful or had a child with Hermes or one of the suitors and a different record, a local story in which Odysseus expelled her for encouraging the suitors, but that's not the version

in the Odyssey. Wait, Hermes is the god?

Yeah, yeah. He's like a little messenger. That don't count.

But that's a later version. That's a later version.

it's like a vibrator you don't want

no God dick come on you need that God that's nothing that's nothing

but I think that's a version told by like a different bard in a different festival that's like a red pill guy so he was like nah fuck Penelope yeah he was

he was riffing a little bit yeah exactly he was on stream just letting it fly

so I don't think that's the OG so you're Mr. Prisoner of the Moment we all know this that's why you think it's the greatest movie of all time when you really put this up against all Nolan's films there's no way you say this is the best one. You can't say this is better than Dark Knight. You can't say this is better than Inception.

say this is like

fuck, what's the one in space? No, Interstellar is unbelievable. Come on, son.

You're going to say he's better than those three right there?

Interstellar, Loki, the Odyssey. They're all Loki. I know they are. And that's can I just I get what you're saying. The reason why I put so much credence on the Odyssey is because I am prisoner of the moment. 100 percent but all those other movies are the odyssey so he just redid his old shit no but like give the credit to the old shit no to me to me it's like give the credit to the source like if you're doing the odyssey with all the other movies every movie is the odyssey okay like everything is the odyssey and there's like a hot take that's kind of going around where it's like what was the nuclear bomb movie? Oppenheimer? Oppenheimer and people were like Oppenheimer is the same kind of does this take off where Oppenheimer is or this is inspired by Oppenheimer? It's like no everything is the Odyssey and that's why it's so prolific. There's really like five stories. Like most movies are just ripping off a version of Shakespeare or a version of the Bible like Neo is the Jesus story in the Matrix so you get to see the guy who was clearly inspired by the odyssey and use that as like a reference point for all his other movies make the og i get that so there's a part of me it's like i'm watching batman but i'm really watching the odyssey now i get to see the movie that he really wants to make and that's why and along with my recency

bias one thing i saw a clip of odysseus going back as the old man he just has a hood on like

How do they not know? Oh, he's got this beard is long and white. Also, he's been dead. Like, if you're dead for 20 years, you're not even thinking about it. You've got to understand how long 20 years is, bro. 20 years, you're dead. They didn't really age him that much. They wanted to keep him looking good. He's got to be handsome. He's ripped. He's a little too ripped. So the day before Matt went to go film The Odyssey, he filmed our promo for the life special oh wow so wow and and and i remember seeing i was like damn you look fucking lean he goes yeah i gotta go tomorrow to go film i was like we filmed he was uh the odyssey i was like oh shit why are you here um anyway in this scene when we're eating at the diner matt only eats the bacon because he hadn't had a carb in like six months i know that he only eats he only eats the bacon and and but you have to understand this guy had a carbon six months and i just have a plate of potatoes and bread sitting in front of him about to ruin

fucking homer's odyssey nah i thought he knows a real actor you know he got on that crazy stack before this shit oh he has come on fuck i was looking like 20 because he's in real life he's

like what 50 something years old yeah what and he was just shredded yeah now there's an alternate ending of the og odyssey hit me the alternate ending so most people consider the source where he sees penelope olive tree bed i made the bed you're my husband the end right yeah there's other versions that some people still attribute as like credible where they say all the families of the suitors yeah they come knocking on the kingdom they're like yo you killed our boys okay These are supposed to be the heirs of our kingdom. For doing nothing wrong. They were just posted up. They didn't do anything wrong, and you killed all of them. So now we've got to settle this. So then a massive civil war happens in Ithaca. All the families are killing each other. Like, Athena comes in. It's like, yo, guys, chill. Zeus comes down, throws a lightning bolt. Everything stops, and then Athena drafts up a peace treaty. Says, all right, look, here's how we're going to settle this. Everyone on the island is going to have their memories wiped from what happened. And then Odysseus is going to be the king, and you guys are going to be ruled by him, and you're going to like it. The end. leave that part out

that's true whoever added that sauce on it what is that term in filmmaking or storytelling? deos ex machina yeah the hand of God

yeah but that's a lot of the Greek mythology like the Iliad starts with the gods arguing about who's the hottest

sure sure sure but having just God come in and just save the day at the last moment is just like the laziest form of storytelling after arguably the greatest story of all time exactly that's Calypso

So it's too much to hand to God. Also, talking about this, I know it's, you know, half way through the year. Oscar winner for the best picture. Yeah. We have Odyssey. Oh, 100%.

Kelsey is the Odyssey of 50%. 100%.

We got Fune Part 3, and then we got a movie I can't say. Al, maybe you can hit that one. See, it's racist that you say you can't say.

Because you're just thinking of your favorite word. Look at it.

Like, no, I see it. Because if I would have said it, if I would have said it fast, you guys would have got on me. I think every word coming out of your mouth is now. Whoa, if you say it three times. Don't say it three times, bro. I'm trying to say it three times. Do not say it three times. You got to be careful about the come out of the corner right now. Like, that was crazy. Yeah, it felt a little weird, right? You said it three times. Thank you, Al.

That was crazy. dude part three could be gas like i don't see why it why i won't but come on we're not playing around did you a lot is being made over the fact that he shot it practically practically

meaning like without cgi love that a lot but then the cyclops scene took me so far out of it talk to me it just looked too fake compared to the rest of the day but like the scene when they motherfuckers come out the ground and that was shot practically i'm like holy shit that was what about the monster when he's on the boat so so yeah the monster on the boat looked fake as

fuck dude i didn't think so so real quick about the uh so a couple things one what was the first one that you mentioned the cyclops cyclops i hear what you're saying the cyclops thing was a little bit peculiar because like there was like a character issue that we don't really understand like why he's spiking the fucking ball in the end zone like it makes sense um sheep even kind

of look a little fake i like the sound for real no i think part of it like when they were first coming in it was like it was fake sheep no everything's practical i'm telling you i bet

you look it up i bet you part of the sheep is cgi there's no cgi no the cyclops is cgi no no no the Cyclops is a puppet you didn't know this let me blow your fucking mind the Cyclops looks pretty fake the Cyclops it's yeah because it's fake no I know that but it like it looks no it is an actual practical puppet oh really and that's what's so fascinating about it and I think that and I think that's why it looks a little bit fake is because it's literally a gigantic animatronic that they're using so they're using a puppeteer okay in the same way like with interstellar remember tars remember remember the robot yeah yeah so look that's actually what it looks like ah but you see they put sauce on it actually i think it's lighting so what they do is they keep him kind of like absconded in the dark look at the left look at right i don't know if this is a robot oh just uh just to clarify he's not against using cgi to soften things or remove things. But the actual thing that you're interacting with, he wants to be real so that you have this real interaction with it. You'll get a massive object, your eyes dilate, you feel the... It's called invisible CGI. Exactly. So for example, in the scene where they're all, where the dead is buried, they were all buried. Yeah, I know. And they use like little snorkels to breathe. And then you can remove the snorkels. But if you also think about that scene, they film it in almost pitch black because that's the only way you could get away with burying 300 people and they said an interesting thing about that scene like if you put a little inch of soil on top of somebody or sand they can get up whenever they want a few inches and all of a sudden you can't get up out of that bitch so it was like a very delicate you know scene whatever but so yeah so this is all and then like this version of it I imagine that you're looking at right now since they're close up and there's no one else that you can see is a person wearing makeup It's the same guy that was in TARS. Oh, really? Okay. Inside. But there is invisible CGI. They had to paint out wires. They had to paint out the things that are making the world move. You ready? You ready? The whirlpool.

Yeah. Practical. That's easy. Just a bunch of niggas just running around the pool. We've done that before. You ever do that hot set? That's so fun. Yeah, that shit's bad fun.

Son, yes. Yeah, I know. They took jet skis. Yeah. Oh, really? Drove them around a circle. Oh, good. created the outer ring and then i'm sure they cgi'd the middle of it yeah but what you're dealing with now is you're on a boat and you see this fucking you know water going whatever and it

kind of like feels real oh another thing i don't like when they're getting around the whirlpool and then all they break all the fucking paddles on the side yeah but then they're still able to continue going you don't have a bunch of extra paddles yeah but you have the other side's paddles yeah so now you're half paddles you know you just and they broke a bunch of paddles throughout like all of a sudden they had a brand new row of paddles let's say you got 20 let's say you got 20

paddles on each side you break these 10 now you got five on each side you're going half the speed yeah but every time they got into some shit that's the most unbelievable part of the whole

i just didn't like it i made one kind of interstellar i said one thing about interstellar and you gave told me i was a dumb idiot because you are a dumb idiot but this shit if he's all Come on.

continuity, practicals and all that shit. They should have had like one paddle.

You ready for the shit that's going to fuck you up? Yes. Yeah, fuck them up. You ready for the shit that's going to fuck you up? Yeah. Fuck me up. The scene where they turn the people into pigs? Practical. Yes. You think I'm joking. Wait. You think I'm joking. What do you mean?

Done practically. Explain. Because a human can't just turn into a pig. So. Well. I mean, it's some girls in a pad.

But we got no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, sculptable mannequin, whatever, where the actress, Cersei, could shape their faces and she would start to shape them and morph them. And then eventually you get the more pig looking like things. But there's no CGI in the scene at all.

They're all eating the shit. I think it's a little bit of the invisible CGI shit. There's no way that's out.

The very cool part is the camera's moving and there's wipes using, like, bodies and stuff like that so that they can switch out the head they're using to get closer and closer to the pig.

Yeah. So watch them talk about it right here. This shit is cool. Yeah.

Like, we were there. We were a part of it. Sometimes we participated in the shots, and then we saw it, and we're like, how did he do that?

Yeah, like, when they turn the people into pigs, that's all real. The people into pigs?

Wild. It is. Like, all of that sculpting that she's doing, it's all animatronics. That's not CGI.

What do you mean? She's like me right now, that's fine. I know, exactly. That is a practical effect. It's not CG. It's an animatronic head. She's like going like... Yeah.

And she's like putting their jaws apart. That's real. They worked with an artist to create something that Samantha could sculpt with live on camera.

Okay, you just blew my mind. That's what I mean. That sounds so adorable. You must have used CG then. And then the movie ended and Christopher sat behind me. sat behind me i literally turned around the first thing was like how did you do that thing with the pigs and he was like oh it's just camera angles and animatronics and a bunch of actors that were

really getting to do so crazy so so pause right here a lot is being made of shot at shooting things practically and i and i and i want to point something out and i think this is like when the movie came out marvel dropped its newest like doomsday trailer and i think maybe dune had already dropped their trailer or something but specifically marvel and like one of the things about cgi and we kind of like grew up with cgi being implemented you know what i mean like cgi was mind-blowing to us yep because you took things that literally could not happen and then you created worlds out of it so every time we would watch like a huge action sequence or something like that it blew our fucking mind because we're like how are you creating this these are impossible things that you cannot create i know i can't create it at all i can make anything on my phone now i can do any tsunami wipes over new york city destroys everything uh iron man defeats something rips his head off with one prompt with one prompt on my phone so now it's not as impressive now i don't think this is why nolan is doing it i assume he's doing it because he thinks actors acting with the things is the more realistic version you get the best performance whatever but secondarily the the value of cgi is useless like if you're a porn star and you were able to like stay hard for an hour back in the day no i mean that this will make sense that was like you were like yo like how is he hard again like like you were blown like you couldn't believe it you're like you are the fucking you're a god now with bluetooth or whatever like it's nothing to be i can be hard for an hour like that's now being soft is cool but like so so to me it's diminishing returns for anything you do and see like doing special

effects in a movie is like nah i won't go as far to say that it had the value of it has lessened but they're still like marvel still blows it out the park every time i'm not saying

that they don't blow it out the park but i'm not shocked that they can make a building get destroyed oh yeah i'm like okay but back in the day michael bay exploded a hospital son michael bay exploding some shit or blowing something

up or anything. Yes, Miles. Christopher Nolan, he's thinking The Dark Knight. I'm sorry, more generally speaking. I know what he's thinking.

I know what he's thinking. We just kept moving. Michael Bay did do a lot of explosions.

He's known for it, I think.

And it would be crazy. The Transformers, seeing the thing transform, you're like, this is my one. Christopher Nolan. I can do it.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

I apologize. I took you off track and you're on a great point.

Does it make sense what I'm saying? I don't think he's doing it to shit on them, but it's already unimpressive. The story is what's going to win, and now, weirdly enough, the effects are going to win because you know it's real.

We have an appreciation for how difficult it is to do shit. Thank you for wording that beautifully. This is kind of my thing with AI art. Now that you can do AI art, seeing a sculpture that someone handcrafted has almost more power because you're like, wow. someone spent years working on this piece of marble that's phenomenal and maybe there was a time where painting was seen equal but now that you can do ai art it doesn't have maybe the same

the same for the idea that one mistake and yes there are little ways to patch things up but one mistake on this massive piece of wood or marble would ruin the entire thing like the level of perfection that you have to operate at to create these sculptures back in the day with like rough tools too we're not talking about like electric chisels and shit you know you're just banging away at something and to make something smooth. That fucking, what is it, Benigni or something like that, where he creates the... Oh, the veiled virgin? Yeah, he creates the sculpture and then puts a veil on the sculpture. Have you seen this? Benigni, is it?

I think so. Giovanni Strazza is the one that I'm talking about, but there's another one, I'm sure. A few famous sculptors have done this kind of thing. Oh, I've seen this before.

He's making a veil out of the same piece of marble. It's like... No, that's phenomenal. Yeah, that's... I thought I was about to shit on him.

No, no, no. No, this is... I can recognize Rip, but... My point is... It's good that he's finally seeing it.

My point is getting the fucking... Getting AI to do that or CGI to do that is unimpressive.

Yeah. Because there's something representative of human hours. Yes. A human being doing something... And problem solving.

Yeah. Like, this is an insane problem. guys the way that 3d printers are becoming everywhere now yeah even that is going to be

something that people can just but no it's not the fact they can do it it's the fact that this one was done without it oh i get what you said okay and then you go oh there were hours poured into this that is impressive to me that someone was able to do this but i think even painters now

today it's harder for them to like really break through or be huge because it's like you know the

same shit you can paint i can make that like this to an extent but like there's people even now like modern painters that are doing caravaggio's or a caravaggio style and people are buying it for big money because they're like oh this is impressive but yeah i get you there's a japanese

thing saying where it's like imperfection is more beautiful the gold cracks yes yeah where like you lean towards the things that are imperfect because they're more unique and their imperfection makes them more beautiful. And in a world where you can make perfect things all the time, the things that are slightly off and imperfect are actually more unique and more special. Kintsugi. What is it called?

Wabi Sabi? I saw it in Wabi Sabi. Kintsugi, but yeah. Same shit. But it's this idea of like you highlight

the imperfections. So they highlight the cracks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They highlight the imperfections because that's what makes it unique. And like back in the day when they were doing like Cowboys vs. Indians movies, there would be like one scene in the movie where like a train would crash going across a bridge and they would do it practically because back then they didn't even have it. There were versions where they would make like a smaller miniature thing of it, whatever. But like anytime they did like a real one, it would like make waves in the industry. Like they spent $500,000 on this one fucking scene and then people are excited to go see it because they're like, how the fuck could they make a train crash? Because their brains couldn't conceptualize CGI or anything. Our brains are so used to CGI, We can't even conceptualize practical.

So when I told you it was real, you're like, what do you mean it was real? I mean, you've seen this before, right? This is like super famous Buster Keaton. Oh, yeah, the ledge. This is done practically where he's standing there, and they have to measure it to like an inch. Or he dies. An inch or he dies. He's got a nail on the ground, and it's holding his foot in place. And he goes, okay, I'm going to stand here, and then this whole thing is going to collapse on me, and I hope that I don't die.

if you guys like this kind of stuff there's a great channel called Corridor Crew and they do breakdowns of all the CGI every week, it's the great great show and they're fans of Flagrant, I've seen it in the back her teeth are practical this is a fascinating practical effect, have you seen this before? it's from a 1937 movie all done practically no post oh that's cool that was fire crazy and then they explain how they do it they basically put like makeup on her and then they change the camera lens exposure right yeah yeah like changing the color of the camera there's a red filter on it if i'm not mistaken and they pull the red filter away and then all of the blue or the green shadows. That's dope.

Crazy. Yeah, that's dope. Anyway. All right, one more thing. Yeah, go. Guys, I do like the movie. I do think it was good. I don't think it was.

You're offering good perspective to bounce off of, yeah.

This, what's it called? IMAX shit? Stop it. Like. Did you go to it? I didn't, but all it really offers you just an extra inch above an extra inch below like yeah i think they're putting they're going a little too hard because first uh what's his face from sinners he made everybody go crazy he's like oh my god i shot this in imax and like it brought a lot of people out because of that and that's why this one right now if you try to buy an imax ticket it's sold out for like eight weeks or something like that but it's kind of annoying it's like bro i i want to see the whole movie the visuals and i'm sorry you might disagree they were good they weren't outstanding that's they were good they weren't outstanding i mean this looks pretty outstanding bro so

sinners was better avatar was better i mean yes but that's a whole different avatar versus this are completely i'm just saying it's like okay sinners what was better about sinners

Visually, I think it was more compelling. Like what scenes? The cotton field scene? No, everything. That was, whoa. Thank you.

To me, that's the one that everybody talks about, right? They're like, we actually are going to shoot practically on a gigantic field and you're going to need the entire, like we need eight miles of this field

to really show the scope of work that these people were doing. I think there were just way more scenes than Sinners that I was like, wow. This looks like visually stunning. I was never.

What scene specifically, like, not to knock Sinners, but like what scene specifically was like you need IMAX for. Sinners is beautiful, no doubt.

Yeah, I'm just talking about the beauty of it. Because I'm against needing that extra top and bottom. I don't think it's necessary. Like, you enjoy the movie just as much. I don't think.

Yeah, I didn't miss anything because I don't know what I'm missing. Exactly. If I was the average person, I would go see it on a regular shitty screen. And then when IMAX is available, you're going to want to see this movie twice. It's one of those types of movies. Then you see it on the IMAX and you have a somewhat different experience the second time.

Like, that's how I would do it. If anything, I think I missed out on the sound because IMAX even has, like, much better sound. And that's something I wish I got to experience IMAX. Sound design is unbelievable. But I'm saying two things. I'm saying let's stop being extra because the way to shoot this, you only get three minutes of actual shooting. And then they have to wait 15 minutes to change the fucking tape. and they had to create a whole new type of camera just because the old ones are too loud. They didn't have to create a new camera. They had to create a casing for it. A casing of a limp.

Because you can't record dialogue in the IMAX cameras.

Just shoot the shit, regular.

Stop being that. Stop being that.

Just shoot the shit, regular.

It was funny because Nolan told, I guess, Anne Hathaway she couldn't wear Uggs to set. And his logic was like, we're making a, you know, a film set in, like, early antiquity. Like, there's no elves back then. So, like, exist within this world. And it's like, well, there's also an IMAX camera. And the characters have to perform into a mirror because the IMAX camera is so big, it's getting in between the characters for certain shots. so it's like this is like the classic like daniel day lewis thing who like i love you know like i'm filming this movie right now with the this guy janish kaminsky is is the dp of it so he's spielberg's dp and like so he has all his guys so i'm like talking to all his like camera guys and yash and like you know they work with daniel on on lincoln oh wow and like it was daniel day lewis is like exists within lincoln and like if you like he didn't like tape he didn't like blue or green tape these are the mark things because he that didn't exist for lincoln back then yeah like so and like he would be like like move that like he but he didn't know what it was because he's in character he's like and it's like yeah i get it but at the same time like there's all these black people working on this do you know what i mean like lincoln might have liked what are we doing with the black people like you know what so like there's a certain amount of suspending disbelief and maybe maybe they're just like hey i'm already suspending disbelief with this much shit don't make me do any more

Maybe that's the version, which I kind of get.

But there is also this performative nature. Yeah. I don't know how you can be Method like that. If I was Method Lincoln, I would just be such a dick. Bro, apparently it's like the chick from Twilight said this.

What's her name? Kristen Stewart. Yeah, apparently she was like, it's only guys that do Method.

There's not one woman. It's just guys being gay. She's like, I literally think it's guys' egos. They don't want to be told what to do. So they'll be like, in character, you can tell me what to do, but you're not going to tell me what to do. There's not a single female actress, and there's brilliant female actresses. Like, I have to be fucking Harriet Tubman all day.

Yeah, I don't know. But yeah, still, Nolan, he could do no wrong. The film was great. I just think people overhyped it a little bit.

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We did address two things. Yes, go. People online, of course, were really mad about Elliot Page and Lupita. You don't even think about it. you don't at all you don't even think about it i actually think actually doing lupita

having her be like one of the only black people in the movie to me makes it stand out as the most beautiful girl in the world more because it's because what is exotic what is different the most unique person yes if you just have another beautiful

beautiful white chick in a sea of beautiful white chicks there's gonna be someone watching that movie like yeah she bad but she not that bad like yeah there's a bunch of other ones that look just like that yeah so so the uniqueness i could make an argument for me and then the elliot page thing is like it's like a nothing role right people were saying that ellie page is going to be achilles and like that was floated out there it's literally just like the daily wire saying shit so that they can react to it yeah i don't know if they actually put it out but it feels very like daily wire like i'm gonna be angry about this movie oh no yeah the right was they

was hating on this shit before he came out and they were like it's not even gonna do well and

now they gotta eat their words also you can put whatever characters in shit i actually really believe that like as long as it doesn't feel forced like if the elliott page character was like as a trans soldier for the ithican army everybody'd be like what the fuck am i watching but just as some little twink soldier that's running to the horse that gets killed immediately you don't think people on the right were like well they found good use for that

a little force what was she's not a size of a fucking army person but that was the point yeah but it's like would they even let her put on armor like you're just wasting armor

kids fight back then you know they didn't let an 18 year old get in there Well, they did, but like the point of that character was Antinous. Robert Pattinson's character was supposed to go to war. And then his family bribes their shepherd's family to send their son instead of him. Yeah. So I imagine he's supposed to represent like the weakest, most defenseless parts of society that are taken advantage of by the wealthy to die in their place. So you have this, at this point, it's this tiny little boy. Yeah. He looks like he's 12 going out. And then by the time you see him as Elliot Page, she's just getting fucking brutalized immediately. And it's like it actually looks – if he's this big monstrous soldier and he gets killed, you don't feel as bad. Oh, okay, okay. But if it's a defenseless little weakling and they shouldn't have been there in the first place when this perfectly capable person should have gone. Okay. I assume that was the logic. I don't think it was like, we've got to get a trans person in here, so we win an Oscar. And even if that was the thinking, they found a storyline that I thought made sense. And the Trojan horse is kind of trans anyway. Exactly. Right?

It looks like a horse on the outside, but there's a man inside trying to get out. That's the trans experience, you know? Yeah. But yeah, I'm going to go see it. I'm going to see it this weekend, I promise. You know you're not. I will. I'm going to. This is right in my alley. I'm going to enjoy it, despite what you've done.

All right, just last thing before we go. the idea of like there's this one part at the end where i think calypso reminds him like beside you have to submit yourself to the gods stop fighting the gods something you can control everything like this is not up to you he constantly trying to control constantly thinks he's more cunning and witty than the gods and then she goes you are not and you have lost all of your men because they too thought that they were going to do it you are the only one that's going to survive if you submit yourself to poseidon zeus will not let him kill you he will fuck you up but he's not gonna let you kill you and like it was this really interesting message where like you can fight back constantly but at a certain point submission is the way through and like there is a version of forgiveness like the gods forgave him for breaking their rule as long as he was willing to submit and understand what he did and like that being the pathway through acceptance yeah it's kind of beautiful you know like you just project i don't know did you find yourself kind of like connecting to stories within this and like projecting your life onto it yeah i mean even in

reading it like reading like the abridged versions i read i was like oh this is my experience with this thing this is my relationship with this person like it's so so tangible and that's the

thing like that i left from it i was like every project that we put together it has to be on this level of like human introspection because each character you have to painfully see yourselves in in a way you know like your hubris has to be represented in their hubris and like you might not be them on their journey but there will be decisions that they make that you know that you've made that you either regret or are proud of and that you if you are living through them that's how you create connectability or connection whatever with that with the story. Yeah. And I think that's like Bible the Odyssey Shakespeare. This is why reading religious history is like my favorite thing ever. Just like reading like the Ramayana. This is like the thing that like Marvel's based on.

maybe i actually don't know the indian yeah yeah this is like arjun is like trying to like fight this battle and he's been approached by a god and he like talks to the god about what it means to fight like it's just a thousand two thousand three thousand year old story that persists

because it's awesome i think it look it up but i think like marvel they make the argument that marvel the universe is uh i'm gonna use the word inspired by let me see interesting or something i

don't know or maybe dove was wanting to develop i'm excited for a marvel issue we got spider-man coming out soon and Doom. Oh, it's going to be fun.

It says Marvel's mythos is heavily inspired by Hindu epics. Marvel directly features the Hindu pantheon in the realm of Nirvana. Yeah. Anyway, fire. Should we rip some feelings and facts? How was the World Cup final?

That shit was unbelievable. Fire, right? I mean, like, outside of going to see the Knicks, outside of going to see Knicks game 3, 4, 5, even just 4, 5, maybe there was like a UFC event that I went to but that was like the greatest athletic experience I ever had and like maybe it's different yeah yeah yeah let's go maybe it's different watching soccer live you know certain sports like watching NFL football live sucks yeah it's horrible yeah yeah because it's a game of inches that you're watching from you can't see the inches yeah so you don't know what a three yard run is

yeah And for me, I need someone to explain what's going on. They're like, oh, this rule was violated. There's a flag on the plate because of this. And now they need to do this to win.

Yeah, but I'm straight. So I understand more or less what's happening in the game. You sound like a girl right now.

It's a little helpful. I'd be like, oh, this number guy did this. No, I don't relate to that at all. Because I like girls. No, we all need that.

For me, I understand when I'm watching the game. But I could totally imagine if you like stuffing cocks in your butt, how you would be confused when you watch soccer or football. Yeah. Anyway, that was crazy you just said that. I can't believe you just admitted that. That shit is hard to know.

We don't even watch soccer.

I know all the rules of soccer. No. How does offsides work when the goalkeeper comes up? You can't pass the line. What if he becomes the last man? It's not offsides. Yeah.

If it's in the box. No. But that never happens. With football, you know what's happening. He hands him the roundish looking thing, and he tries to go forward. That's good. When he goes back, that's bad. Yeah. Yeah. That part, I guess. There's no other rules. What's a tush push? What is that even? No. How many times has that happened that you got to worry about? Who even knows? I don't even know really what's going on. Exactly, it never happens. You just read that on internet. Okay, so there was criticism about the game because it was like low scoring or whatever. And again, maybe being there, when you watch the sport live, you really enjoy it or something. Maybe it's just a very enjoyable thing to watch live soccer. I haven't really watched it live, so I wouldn't know.

Oh, I like live. Live is fire.

I was mesmerized. I was mesmerized. Just seeing the buildup, like the tension. You have to appreciate almost, you know, the best guys with women are the guys that enjoy hitting on them, even if they don't get them because they enjoy the soccer of it. They enjoy almost scoring. That's fun to them. Like the guys are the worst women. The guys that like need to score. Yeah. But the guys enjoy the chat. They enjoy the game. They enjoy the buildup. They're the best.

That's what soccer is.

It's all tension and buildup. You know, I fucking even low scoring games.

It's like when you have sex, there's only one nut, maybe two. Exactly. You don't need much more.

Yeah. But the whole experience is fire. When you understand a sport, it's like boxing. It's like you can watch a Mayweather fight. Some people think it's boring. Right. I'm like, no, that's exactly impressive. Yeah. Yeah.

So the similarities with boxing do not end there. You can absolutely dominate a fight on points in boxing, meaning like your Mayweather style out boxing the opponent. But there's always a chance you could get knocked out. And when a game is 0-0, even though Spain was dominating them, all it takes is one header off a corner, one header off a set piece, one missed. Anything. One mistake. There was still excitement in it because even though Argentina was getting absolutely dominated. Belt to ass. Belt to ass. They were in it. And you knew if it went to penalties, you're like, these motherfuckers are going to win.

right you knew it it's like a villain that won't die yes it's like they keep on squeaking by every single game are they gonna be able to do it again yeah i miss the words villain yeah people are not happy about it did you see the fight afterwards like you saw the brawl no we dipped bro oh you

missed the best bar we left the halftime we missed the best bar we watched the whole thing but the second it was over we we fucking got up out of there yeah it was the true winners of the world

Look up. America. Israel. Tell me why. What country do people hate more right now?

I think they hate Argentina, so they handed off their hate to Argentina. Open up your timeline right now.

Nobody cares about what Israel's doing.

How do they hate the team they lost?

Because, I mean, they fight. They're sore losers. They're rough on the field.

All of a sudden, we all know about Argentina in history.

We didn't know about that shit before. We didn't know none of that shit before. I'll be honest with you. There wasn't a single Spanish fan in that motherfucker. the whole thing was Argentina and then people who hate Argentina there was maybe one section where I saw a lot of Spaniards and they had some drums going outside of that it was white and blue everybody

and then just people who hate Argentina I know there was that many Argentinians here like I was walking around New York I'm like where the fuck I think it's like when you see people wearing a

Steph Curry jersey they're not really Golden State fans Messi fans, that's what I was assuming. That's what I assumed it was, because I was like, ain't no way. And the vibes there, it wasn't what I imagined a football game would be. Like, I thought it was going to be a lot of chants going the whole time. Maybe it's just Argentine fans, they don't really do that as much. No, they be chanting. So they tried to get some chants going, but you couldn't really feel it.

It's like Miles chants. Whatever Miles would say, they be chanting like that. Really? What the fuck are you saying? Yo, Al peed in a cup illegally at a theater in New York City.

I said that myself.

See, now you snitching on a black man. Damn, bro.

I think the price point probably made the chanting a little hard, if I had to guess. Got it. Like the folks that are spending 10 grand a ticket. Yeah. I don't know if those are the chanting types.

There are some people in my comments upset that I went because of the cost of it. Like I paid. i don't care about soccer that much to pay for that shit why would they be upset no i don't know because it's like a ridiculous amount of money to go to these games it's like going to the super

bowl it's like yeah you know you're gonna spend a ridiculous amount of money i don't think anybody

was upset that i went to the next finals uh they're like oh you don't care about this and

you're taking up a spot that somebody else could have had yeah yeah i see that but you weren't

really taking a spot. I wasn't really taking a spot. You know what I mean? Shout out Kalshi, bro. I had some opening in the booth and it was fire. It was stacked, bro. We have Martha Stewart up in there. Martha's the goat. Of course, I chopped it up, man. She has vibes. And then Martha came back to chop it up with me and I had just eaten a blackberry or I put it in my mouth and my wife was like, there's a whole disease with fucking fruits and vegetables. Why would you'd be eating blackberries off of this tray. And I was like, I didn't know there was a disease of fruits and vegetables. So I spit it back in my hand. Second, I turn away to go throw it in the garbage. Martha's coming over trying to chop it up. But I got a mashed blackberry in my hand. So I'm like, I got to get this shit out of my hand before I can have this conversation. You weren't all white, too. No, it was bad. So I fumbled that, but she's the fucking bomb. I also have no clue how to operate in a box. Like, when you're in a box, you get a ticket still with a seat. so I'm trying to be a rule follower because I don't know how to operate in a box so I got to my seat and it's Miles Garrett and Chloe Kim Miles Garrett is the NFL player and Chloe Kim is I think she's a professional snowboarder there are a couple, Miles Garrett's huge Miles Garrett's shirtless I got a Miles I said hey man, pleasure to meet you this is look, this is what my seat says you know i'm like i don't want to get in trouble over here i don't know i don't know i don't want to get in trouble okay okay serena williams walking in with her husband that started reddit i almost had to you know be like yo you caused a lot of pain for me on this fucking app you made you know what i mean like i almost had to check him on that shit it turns out he's fucking six six armenian i was like all right man you got it he would have sent serena to take you You know, Serena might have been able to do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Might have been able to do that. Anyway, so I say, hey, guys, like, you know, we got to be in our seats. We got to follow the rules. it was zeus's law and uh so they're looking at me confused because they've probably been in boxes and the rule of boxes is you sit wherever like this is this family dinner there's no assigned seats so we go we go okay blah blah you know you got to go there and it's better seats by the way i didn't want to take the better seat it was in the front row oh wow so i'm in the last row i'm like i don't want to take anybody's good seat so they switch with us and they don't really seem that excited about and i realized why is because the front row was the only row getting blasted by sun and it was like a hundred degrees oh shit bro i started to feel bad man chloe was going to get water bottles and putting it to miles's neck oh no miles the only black guy in the box so he's absorbing the sun from everybody else she's a snowboarder she just

cold conditions she's asian they hate the sun like she is is the worst nightmare so i felt bad and at the first hydration break i was like yo guys i didn't realize what i was doing like if you guys want to switch back you guys absolutely can but now with me now they said are you sure

they hit me with the polite yes we'll do that immediately okay so we switch back and let them was that a real offer or you were just i was a real genuine offer like i spoke to him about i

was like yo i feel bad like we didn't know the rules here like and it seems like we wanted the shade like they probably think we wanted the shade not that i don't know how to exist in these spaces

so uh so it was just vibes that's all you gotta become a official soccer fan like i like it bro

i like it i like soccer you need a premier league team yeah who do i go with fc barcelona but that's not premier league yeah i was always a barca fan okay yeah always loved barca you don't even

watch this i think you need to get i think we need the audience to give you a pitch yeah who should i go with man like i've seen a bunch of flow charts about like if you like this if you want to win trophies if you like history and it tells you what team you're on yeah but i think

you just need to get pitched from the audience yeah yeah yeah tell me which team i should get guys i gotta know i feel like you're a man you fan but isn't man you like the front runners Not lately. Like, I kind of want a Knicks. Like, I want a team with, like, legacy and pride, and then after decades, finally wins the championship again.

Okay. Is that Arsenal? Why are you accenting? Yeah, I'm not a Premier League expert, to be honest with you. Arsenal went to the Champions League finals, so they're pretty good.

What league expert are you?

None, bro.

What do leagues need to see, bro? Maybe some history. Mark has PTSD from getting one soccer thing wrong. Yo, soccer fans are ruthless, bro. All we do is get shit wrong. Yeah, I know. That's the mythology of our podcast. Yo. So just say some wrong shit. Who cares?

No, but soccer fans are ruthless. What happened? Son, we watching the game, Spain versus France. Mark, David, they go for France. I'm going for Spain. I'm talking shit. I'm a shit-talking New Yorker. I don't give a fuck about this shit. They were exalty. What did I do? They was getting in their feelings. David was upset.

Yo, David takes it serious.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. David, get in here, David. Ever since then, Mark been chipping at me, like, just every time. What did I do?

No, no, you guys were getting a little...

Yeah, he was just chipping at me. I'm like, bro, I'm rooting for my girl. I'm almost trying to get it up.

I don't need to be sensitive about this shit. Alex, you got to keep your jersey. How fire is that? You should keep your jersey. Nah, nah. Mark is being passive aggressive. He does this fake little shit. And I'm like, Mark, we don't... He had the tag on his jersey. I was like, bro, you got to keep that. It's part of World Cup history.

Were you bad because you wear T-Mu jerseys? And you're bad that I have to wear them?

All my jerseys are fake, for the record.

Yeah, but you don't have to. Like, I don't care about this. No, you should keep the jersey from the World Cup. But soccer fans, you see, they really into this shit. I want you to be a fan. Y'all need to be nicer, bro. That's all I'm saying. It's not that serious.

My point was that I want you to be a fan. You have a jersey from a team. You can't be mad about a sport you don't know about. And I'm like, bro, you should become a fan forever. Keep the jersey for the next World Cup. And then you have the OG. Yo.

Hold on. I'm trying to find out. Forgive and forget, man.

Forgive and forget. Jesus. I love when Al. You know Al's been drinking. Oh, my God. He's in the group. That's just fucking excellent. Son, I'm getting random shots at me because y'all mad y'all team lost. Random shots. He's out. Oh, this is the thing that fucking infuriates. Here we go. Here we go.

Now we're getting into it. David about to be Ecuadorian again. Was that it? Miles?

That was me. Yeah, him. You were denying your fucking Spaniard history, and then all of a sudden your team lost. So now it's like, oh, I'm a Spanish fan now.

Exactly. That's how the World Cup goes. You just kind of root for a team as they go.

He said he was about to fight me when we was outside. He had to come over to me and apologize.

No. I'm still expecting an apology from you, man. For what? Christian. You're a Christian or a Catholic. What did I do? You know what you'd do.

I put my hand out and said, hey, great game. And then Al goes, I'm a bad winner. And then all the comments flame him. And he's like, what? Nah, bro. You were being a little sassy, bro. He does this little thing where he's just like. He asked you if you still had the tag on your jersey. Yeah. Out of nowhere. Because he was going to return the jersey. And I was like, no, you should keep it. It should have this four years. It's part of the history. You see? I know. He's doing this.

You're doing the Southern bless your heart. You're doing the bless your heart passive aggression. And I know he does.

What did Al-Sane respond? France sucks. I was like, yeah, they lost.

No, no. And then he points out a spelling typo.

I mean, you can't. Oh, yeah. You got to spell it.

You got to spell it right. You know you tight. You know you tight when that's the room.

You're still tight right now, bro. What?

Oh, the hands. We got the hands. And then the next thing you guys are like, name a player on a team.

No, I didn't say it. That was David.

That was David. That was David.

Hold on, I got to get on that. He was like, yo, baby. I played on a team. I'm like, bro, I'm just rooting for my wife's team, bro. It's not that serious.

It's fire. They was in their feelings.

Nah, you don't think it's fine. I know.

No, 100%. I want everyone to be a soccer fan. Next World Cup, everyone has a team. And then as it goes, you pick a new team. Wait, what do you mean? He did it again.

Wait, what? He did it again. He did it again. I'm so glad this shit is over, bro. So, hold on. Let me understand. It almost broke us up, man. No, hold on a second. It's love here.

You want credit for liking the best team in the last 20 years? No. No, no, no, no. You've always liked the best team. No. So, like, what credit do you want? 2010, they were terrible. 2014, they were terrible. All right, so you had two World Cups where they weren't the frontrunners. When you were five. Yeah, yeah. Every other one, they're in the finals. I can't choose where I'm born, bro. We don't get to choose these things. This is just fate. This is Zeus, maybe a France fan. He was so tight, right? Why are you angry at Al? I'm angry that Al's put it on me when I was trying to be supportive. You were not. You told him to return the jersey. No, I said keep it. He was going to take the jersey off and return it. I was like, no, you've got to keep the jersey because it's fire. It's history. You, you. I tried to get him a Spain jersey. I literally had my friend drive from Bensonhurst to try to bring him a Spain jersey. Is that true?

A T-move, used, smelly jersey. Yes, you did try. From the last World Cup. You did try.

Because every tournament you go to, you wear the old jersey. And then it's like, oh, I've been a fan since all the way back.

This was before Spain bust for its ass. that was and then it was all a sight to me

it was before that game I was like bro you gotta represent Spence oh so you wanted him to be in the loser jersey and then wear it and have the stench of loss and then it backfired he won and now you're tight

exactly you see but I'm glad it's over we're family now are we though I feel like Mark is still tight hey now I don't know maybe I gotta wait four years and run it back or something like that man we good I love you brother

it's honestly annoying when he's like flipping it okay and i'm like bro you gotta keep your jersey he goes man why are you so tight and i'm like so that's not how to come away no it's fine the annoying thing is al is so blatantly fake yes and and i want him to be real no you don't no you need to keep the jersey you no you don't wait why you why don't i want to talk in new york about some shit i don't give a fuck i don't know if you want him to be real or not But you wanted to acknowledge that he's being fake. No. I want him to become a Spain fan. Why would I not want this? Every World Cup that goes forward, we're all fans of a team. I don't understand. I want to help you here. Don't help me. Don't help me. Yeah, but once you start doing the fucking...

What do I want for Al?

That's up to you to do soul searching. You got to be on the island with Calypso.

He's going to be playing poker and start buffing like this.

So, in an ideal world, you would like Al to be like, I don't care about any of this shit. Nothing matters to me at all. No. And the way that when the Knicks were winning, Al goes, yo, you need a Knicks jersey. I was like, yes, dude. I think I'm a Knicks fan. Seeing the Knicks win is so cool. Being in New York, the energy's fire. Are you Al in this circumstance? For the Knicks, yeah. So what you're trying to say is Al's not really a fan. and he's jumping on the bandwagon of the Spain. No, we're all bandwagons. If you don't grow up watching soccer, eventually something gets you and you're like, wow, this is the greatest game ever. Like when you went to the final. Yeah. And then I want everyone to become a fan of the greatest game. Yeah. I mean, it is an amazing game. It's the best. Yeah. And so I want Al to become like a Barcelona fan. Go to the game. And then every time they're in the Champions League, it's like, oh, fire. We get to watch an awesome game and actually feel it. And that's the beautiful benevolent side of you. That is the only side I'm texting. But I don't understand how it's a diss to be like, hey keep your jersey but the dichotomy of man well well how would you interpret it if it could be a diss like let's say that was he interpreted as hey return it then it's a diss well let's say that you got a piece of dialogue written by christopher nolan and christopher nolan said you're a bad guy how would you mean this exact line as a bad guy i would mean you're a fake fan return your jersey because you don't even care now do you find it odd that literally everyone but you interpreted that line in that exact way. As I'm saying it, I can realize how it's interpreted that way. But you're saying in your core you did not mean it in that way. No.

Oh, shit.

Why would I take a shot? I'm not a shot taker.

I'm not a shot taker. Did you take the tag off the jersey? That in itself is like... Even if he took the tag off the jersey, he could still return it. Why are you so worried about the...

You gotta resell the whole thing. You can't return it without the tag?

Yes, you can. David, would you like to chime in here? Yeah, the day after Spain and France played, I apologize to you I apologize to you and I called Mark to apologize for my emotions and he goes nah honestly I wanted you to go harder at Al

oh there we go why lie to our friends there we go why lie to our friends so now you just delighted us this whole time look at how You read it at Miles when he says the N-word, so this shit is crazy, bro. Why lie to our friends?

Why can't we just enjoy this moment? When in that moment, Al was being annoying. What was annoying about Al? That he was intentionally trying to rile up me and David. In what way was he intentionally trying to do it? He said, you guys suck.

Damn. Yeah, I don't know how you can recover from that. It's not like we're watching sports and you root for the team. It's not like you talk shit about the other team.

Anytime France made a bad pass, we would go, ooh.

I was like, oh, that's annoying. Oh, live. You guys were watching it live.

Yeah, but once I know I'm under your skin, oh, I am going to work now.

Yeah. Yes. But then after the game, I was like, hey, great game. Gave you a handshake. But I know it's fake. It's not. It's a great game.

Fuming. I mean, I didn't shake your hand.

Well, also, that's David. David is fuming at the smallest. Why were you not rooting for Spain?

He's a traitor. No. I love Mbappe a lot. And I love the French team. They're amazing players. Also, if Mbappe got his second World Cup before 30.

Yeah. Crazy.

Who's the trans from Euphoria? Hunter Schaefer. He loves her. Mbappe.

Oh, Mbappe stole your chick? It's a hell of a choice.

Launch a thousand ships, David.

Launch the ships. Talk about Yamin LaMalle's girl. Heartbreaking. Heartbreaker. If it's true.

Yeah.

If it's true. We don't know if it's true.

None of this is true, bro. Come on. Get out of here.

But allegedly, she was with a guy three weeks before the World Cup. And was like, I love you, baby. And then during the celebration, she's with LaMalle.

Man, whatever. Have y'all seen Temptation Island? These Spanish women leave for less. Okay? Shout out Montoya. Montoya knows. Montoya? Montoya knows. Montoya knows what these Spanish women will do given the right circumstances. And it's not even for the best player in the world or the best young player in the world. So come on, chill out with all that. I mean, he's up there. Is he not the best young player in the world? Lamine? Yeah. You said he's up there? Oh, you said he's not.

No, I said he is. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he is. He's the best young player in the world. I was upset he didn't really show out in the World Cup. Because they'd be talking about what he's doing in Europe, but he didn't show out in the World Cup.

Yeah, in the final.

Like he came in with a hamstring injury. I thought he was doing work. He only had one goal and then zero assists. Oh, in the whole World Cup? Yeah.

Oh, in the final, though, I thought that he was doing, like, there were moments in the second half where I thought that he was kind of, like, fading from the moment, let's say, if I was to be hypercritical. But, like, they were working through him, and he was guarded well, it seemed, and he was, like, kind of creating opportunities. It's not like Spain didn't, Spain could have won that game 5-0, given the amount of opportunities. Like, the goalie did an unbelievable job.

like un-fucking you didn't think so he had one good save every other every save off every shot

was right at him the free kick save was amazing sure sure sure but still like we're talking about save off of a header right like that ball can go anywhere also the whole tournament if you count

the whole tournament i mean divu conceded like three goals a game in that tournament oh are

they talking about the spanish goalkeeper no no no you're talking about i'm talking about it was to Emi Martinez or whatever his name is. But, like, I don't know, Spanish goalkeeper, too. I don't know, Spain, this is what we were saying before, like, he's just realized how far behind the U.S. is. And low-key, everybody's far behind, you know, because, like, Argentina looks far behind. Like, Spain made Argentina look like the U.S. Yeah. Like, literally, like, Spain's the midfield play, and I say this as a complete soccer casual, complete and utter control whenever they got the ball it was either direct pass or one touch when the guys in the u.s midfield get the ball it feels like it takes five seconds just to corral it before they then start and you don't have a chance to build a play if you don't have the midfield setting it up it's like having a point guard with no handle in basketball that's what it felt like like when you have a point guard that can get the ball up and then set up the offense you're in really good position for your star players to score if you can't get the ball up how are you going to get in the hands of your star players yeah and like i don't know maybe

that's just a specific spain thing but it's interesting in my experience it falls apart for america at like 17 18 years old like from like 14 to 15 you can get a collection of american players to play some of the best clubs in europe and like it's competitive or they win it's when you go to college you're trying to play in the mls that's when it falls apart you get a young Lamina Mall playing for Barcelona when he's

what, 17? Yeah. 16? 15, actually, yeah. 15? Yeah.

So he gets called to the first team at 15 years old. By the time he's 20, he's had five years on the greatest team. Against, like, real pros. Against real pros. Whereas you have our guys spending a year in college. Maybe they go play in MLS, and it's like, you don't have the level.

does that affect the touch you have the issue is that i think in the youth system in america they focus more on athleticism and like durability rather than technique like brazilians when they grow up they play in indoors like five a side they play futsal it's also a big focus on game winning

like when you're in the youth program in america it's like you want to be on the best team that wins all the time and that often can be from a coach that has a great system but not necessarily developing the best individual players yeah and so as a result like they'll win games against great competition but then you get old enough lose the decision making and the speed and then

it falls apart i mean i was watching that the spanish midfield none of them seemed like athletes rodri when you see rodri it doesn't look like he's the greatest player with no disrespect to them at all yeah they do not seem like athletes but they did this thing that like it doesn't really exist in like the sports that i care about where simply holding the ball is an act of aggression simply holding the ball and making the defense chase you is an act of aggression because you're not only making you're not really making like the defenders chase you you're making the midfielders run around yeah and now those same guys have to go set up offense after they're fucking exhausted from chasing you around because you've been holding 70% of possession or whatever. Sometimes this works in football, like American football, but it's different because the defense and offense are completely different players. Yeah, your defense can be exhausted and then the offense can impose their will, but once the offense comes back on, they're fresh because they've been sitting down the whole time. Soccer's not like that. That midfield got to play fucking D. And then the second shit changes, Now you're just out of breath. You finally get the ball back, and then you have to go and start to mount this comeback. I thought it was so impressive. And even though there was no scoring, just the way that they would methodically build up a play and then use their offensive one-on-one players, the way that they use Lamine or Nico to set up offensive strikes. Yeah, maybe they didn't execute but one. They had 20. It felt like they had 10 that were like legit this could go in. Maybe that's a lot. Seven, I don't know. But, like, it was beautiful to see.

So can we talk about the corruption because everybody's talking about that? I don't know the game well enough to be like, oh, yeah, that should have been called this and wasn't called.

Let me explain it. We lent Argentina $100 billion to stabilize their economy. We need to make sure that they made that money back. So they made the final, and now they made enough money where they can pay us back the interest or whatever the VIG is on that money. I think it's that simple.

But, I mean, this has been the case for a while now.

Well, we've been bailing them out for a long time. You know, this is what we do.

Argentina is the only team to make it to the semifinal without playing a top 10 team. This one and other times or just this one? This one is the only one. The group stage was super easy. Yeah. Egypt, Cape Verde, great teams, especially Egypt, but not a top 10 team.

Yeah.

Whereas Spain is playing France, Portugal. Like, they're playing some of the best teams in the world. Yeah. Crazy.

I mean, America, if we beat Belgium, had to play Spain. What the fuck is going on? How do we have it at home? How do we not have the easiest bracket? That's insane. Like everybody made this big deal about like Trump asking Balogun to be brought back on. It's like, put us in the fucking right bracket. I don't want to play Portugal, Spain, I don't want to play France, I don't want to play any of these.

Real corruption.

Real corruption.

Yeah, we didn't corrupt.

There is a conspiracy theory going around about Argentina. Yes. So, this is a couple little layers here. Scaloni, the coach for Argentina, arrives at the stadium and gets off the team bus in tears. Yes. Allegedly. Messi misses every single shot in the warm-up. I saw that. Messi's family didn't come to the stadium, allegedly. Whoa. The entire squad walked out of the dressing room with their heads down completely shaken. Enzo and Lichard both seen crying, allegedly. Messi's heard saying, let's forget about everything. Let's just play. Forget about everything. Everyone around him looks very somber. Scaloni abandons the tactical approach that had worked throughout the tournament, leaving the midfield exposed against a team whose midfield is their best strength. Argentina had zero shots in 90 minutes. and Latoura, one of their biggest attacking weapons, never comes in. Kuti Romero and Lissandra Martinez asked to be substituted because of injuries, yet, according to this, neither of them look to be in obvious pain. They're two toughest players in the tournament. Spain commits over 20 fouls without receiving a card. Allegedly. Cucurea somehow escapes a red card after covering his mouth, which is bullshit. Bullshit. Spain's celebration feels subdued, and they're suggesting that somehow they were talked to before the game. Saying? Hey. You guys got to give it up. This is the conspiracy. Can I just say something? I don't believe this. I'm just floating the conspiracy.

This is the most Argentine conspiracy that could ever be concocted because it plays into their arrogance. The only way that they could...

lose is if they had to give it up yes like the only way they could conceptualize their team being outplayed is if they said okay we'll just let them beat us there's no fucking way they're

saying that the malvinas protest that they did like holding up the sign that like that the falcon islands belonged to argentina they said that was in contempt of fifa's official rules they should have been fined and so they should have been fined so they were told that like hey you guys got to pull out these players the two players holding the sign were the two guys were

subbed off oh how how uh how much corruption exists in soccer at the highest level it seems

like a lot like real corruption not like behind the scenes there was the whole set bladder thing um you know rewarding the world cups to qatar and russia and there was later found out that

he was bribed for so to me that's not that's corruption but it's not corruption it affects

play for like match fixing yeah well there are examples in the past i feel like if you don't call a foul that's clearly a foul that's corruption during the gameplay that it would

be corruption like this would be the argument they would make for the nba that the nba controls which refs go to which games it's not random and that they might throw in a ref to extend a series because it makes more money for everybody involved so that to me i'm like okay this is corruption that affects the outcome of the game. Playing in Qatar, to me, it's like, yeah, it sucks,

but it sucks for everybody. It seemed like every single Argentinian game, people were pointing out calls that weren't made, like fouls that they committed that weren't being called. But then this theory was saying that, hey, Spain's calls weren't getting calls. So I'm like, it's really just who makes the story.

Did you really think that Argentina wasn't trying? That's the allegation.

Argentina is the worst team to make the final in my lifetime. Like, truly.

Yeah, so, like, they were never going to win that game. They got there luckily, right? Like, they were getting outplayed in most of their games, and then in the last few minutes, they find a way to pull it off. So, like, they luckily got there, and then they went against the best team in the world. Like, I don't think anybody would question that, right? Sorry, Mark. Gang. Gang. But it is, right? Are they not the best team in the world? It's, like, unbelievable. balls so that's what happens now what i mean it was miraculous that they were able to like stay in

it i think america would have done better yeah i don't know better but also like stay in it i mean like it was one nil and i don't the game never felt close like i don't think argentina were ever going to win that game even with the late pushes at the last five they could barely get the ball

past the midfield yeah they were never going to win that why what i didn't understand is like why and i was texting the group and also mark about this like why not feed it to messi every single time and just let him do something that's a lot to ask for a 38 year old messi against like the best defense in the world it's the last game you're gonna play leave it on the fucking pitch

even though like he was just shut down like if you look at every time he gets the ball there's three guys yeah pressing hard go you're already doing nothing you can't do less than nothing

it's not like they were doing anything it's not like they were getting shots on goal or anything if i'm not getting anything at all what it felt like is since it was zero zero they're like all right guys we're gonna play for penalties certainly after the red card that was their even before the red card they i felt like they just submitted they were like all right guys we're gonna play for penalties because once we're in penalties it's even again because they're absolutely whooping us favored in our okay maybe they're favored but like in my mind i'm like it's zero zero we can't get the ball past the midfield just give it to messi let him draw attention because naturally he's going to draw more attention than the other players and then see what happens with that attention why the fuck wouldn't you at least try that the issue is that

they weren't even given the opportunity to collect the ball and then give it to messi you know what i mean like building out if spain lose the ball they're going to press you high they're not going to sit back and then let you like so then have messi pull back to the midfield

that's what he was doing pull further back get in the goal get in the goal like literally hand the ball off to him at the goal and then just let him cook on the way up who gives this is your last game i'm sorry like i know that there's a lot of people who love messy etc but like if i knew that that's my last game if jordan thought that it was his last ever game playing for your international team in a world cup final do you think he's walking around counting blades of grass for 120 minutes like messy was no give me a rock every single fucking time but that is how he plays

it's like that's how messy he plays he just stands there and then eventually he gets into the game once the ball gets near him but when he when the ball's not near that they don't do shit well

he need to be there bro i'm sorry like i think you need a ball hog a little bit unless they told him to stop i mean listen if we're gonna get into it would ronaldo

let that happen no would he let it happen oh that's your guy he would be probably a little more tenacious.

Certainly. He'd be at least more mad. He would yell at his teammates more. Yeah. Get in there. Make it happen. There's a famous match fix, Argentina-Peru. Yeah, but wasn't this about both were trying to lose or something? Well, that was a different one. That was Algeria. They knocked out of West Germany and Austria.

So what happened with Argentina-Peru?

Argentina needs to beat Peru by four goals to overtake Brazil to get to the final. They have to score four goals. The way the brackets were set up, it was on a differential. Argentina was ruled by a military dictatorship that wanted to win the World Cup at home. The World Cup's being played in Argentina. Dictator Jorge Vedea visited the Peruvian dressing room before the match, and then something happens. Argentina suddenly achieved exactly the huge victory that they needed, and then later accounts allege diplomatic, financial, or political pressure on Peru to throw the game.

Fire.

That's leadership. That's leadership. Not, oh, I'm going to get Balogun back in the game, and then we still get our ass kicked. This is leadership.

Or Diego Maradona putting sedatives in the goalkeeper's water. Yeah. Is that real? Yeah, he admitted to it. I think in 2004 or 2005, right? That's fire.

That's you really want to win. That is.

If you're not cheating, you're not trying. Yeah, bro.

These are rats we're dealing with. This is bad for the game. Yeah, but Rats don't die. Rats will be here.

They'll live through a nuclear holocaust. You watch a sport where they fake cry on the ground to get a call. Like, where's the integrity?

Who's the MVP of the league? In the NBA. What? Shea. He flops every possession. It's the same thing in every other sport. Yeah, but we don't respect that. Yeah, we don't respect that. We complain about it. We don't respect that. In basketball, you exaggerate contact. And we don't like it. We call it out. You guys are like, oh, it's the best. But you're making it seem like it's exclusive to soccer. It's not. It really is exclusive. They get defensive about this shit. I know. That's why I just kept doing it. I was taught as a kid to always die. That's why I kept doing it. I remember I had a practice before with this big tournament in Germany, and I got hit, and I didn't go down. And my coach stops the practice and goes, if you ever get hit like that again, you fucking go down. You get a penalty. Really? Yeah. Because if you're trying to win the game, you got hit, go down. Get the penalty. We're trying to win this game.

So they taught you to suck meat. Yes.

Like, that's the thing I don't get about. Part of being a great player, you've got to be an actor. It's part of being a great soccer player. He's got to be an actor.

Well, Lamin Amal, he sees that Dine is going up for the kick and he jumps in the way to draw the foul and get the penalty.

Yeah, but I'm just saying, they all do it, but that's the fact that it's part of the game. Not Haaland. Haaland doesn't go down.

Yeah, he doesn't. It's fire. And he gets buckets. Well, I told you he's going to be the greatest ball of time. But he fucked up because in the Premier League this year, a player headbutted him. He doesn't go down. If that player were suspended on Arsenal, Gabriel Magalich, they probably wouldn't have won the Premier League title. But that's the if. Who wants to win like that? It's hypothetical, yeah. No, that's a very, very real situation. But who wants to win like that?

You want to win on your feet.

I won the Premier League because I pretended to get knocked out. No.

You would rather win by putting sedatives in a goalkeeper's bottle

than diving one game the fuck out of here.

But doesn't every sport have that to an extent? Like, even, like, not drawing fouls, but, like, if someone has the ball, you foul them to, like, put them at the line to then shoot. Yeah. It's like, all right, well, now you're just winning who can shoot the best free throw. Yeah, but we think that that sucks, too. Yeah. I think diving sucks.

Like, this is a good part of the game. But it just is. Yeah, but you guys don't point it out that it's a bad part of the game. I think it's bad. Eh. Do you?

Yeah.

You're embarrassed. I don't think it's bad. You're embarrassed by it. But you're being defensive and you're... To lose on a dive, I'd be pissed. I'd be like... Well, now with VAR, there's no dives.

Here they are.

They gave a guy a fucking red for a yellow for diving.

Okay, there's a difference between diving and exaggerating. He got hit, right? The yellow? Kubarsi. On the second yellow. He got hit. You think he simulated that? I think he definitely exaggerated the flip, but he got hit. No, that's not the one I'm talking about.

They gave someone a yellow in the final for faking a fall completely. I think it was an Argentine player.

Oh, no. They gave Enzo his first yellow card for descent. Yeah, he was yelling at the ref. He was yelling at the ref.

Oh, really? Yeah.

It wasn't diving.

Oh, they did a review, and it was completely fake. No, it wasn't even Enzo. It was a different guy. I don't know. Are you talking about the game against...

No, there's one that I was just at. It was a complete dive. The Switzerland-Argentina one. Switzerland, Argentina, a guy dives and then gets a card for that sent off. Okay. And that was bullshit. Anyway, look,

soccer's fun. Last thing. Yeah. This was funny to me. So Dove has an Argentinian jersey on. Yeah. And he's like, yo, I can't fuck with Spain. They kicked my people out in 1492. But then you're rooting for the country that accepted the Nazis. It's a very difficult situation.

I think that was kind of worse, right? Also, Spain has a Moroccan player.

Yeah, it's a very difficult situation. Rocking a hard place, yeah.

But listen. Well, aren't you going to, like, that means there's people that come from the descendants of Nazis. But there's a lot of Jews in Argentina. So. He's like, all right, if I'm going to go to a country right now, they'd probably be vibing more with Argentina. 1492, so long ago.

1491, 1491. Whatever, yeah.

What happened to 1492?

Well, no, it's very important because in 1492, Spain becomes a global superpower. Maybe a coincidence. Yeah, it's obviously a complete coincidence. Obviously a complete coincidence. Literally a year later, they sail the ocean blue and then dominate all of Central and South America. Which is bad. And parts of North America. Maybe that's bad. Which is bad. Maybe the Jews would have stopped them. They were like, don't do that. Don't do that right now. Too much infancy going on. There's a lot of infancy. Yeah, yeah. But there's, look, there's a lot of beef, obviously, you know, in Spain, even between like the Moors and the non-Moors. Yeah, but the Spanish beef all the time with each other. That's just a part of being Spanish. Yeah. Everybody in Europe does.

The Bilbaños and the Basque and the Catalonia.

Yeah, it's part of, it's we don't get along. that's a very that's a normal thing out here yeah very american of them yeah yes i feel like we get along better yeah we're not trying to succeed all the time because we don't have as individual identities like the only people in america that have that are like texas and and oh new yorkers no new yorkers don't think that we're separate from america we think we're the best Texans in their part of their ethos is like we are our own and we could be if we wanted and you hate to admit it but like they could I think they have like the largest military complex in the world like including America or something like that like it's in they could easily I think we would play this game before but like Texas versus any country in Europe militarily Texas wins yeah but Texas

versus the rest of America No, no, America wins. Oh, okay, okay. Of course. So just stay in your place. Of course.

And that's what we say to them. Yeah. But like, they're the only ones in America. They're like, we're not, we don't have to be America. We have our own identity. And they weren't. We had to like pull them in. I forget who went down there, Sam Houston or something like that. Sounds right. But like, so yeah, but like in Europe and even within Spain, it's like the idea of Spain is kind of novel. It's like a new thing for them. There were all these little kingdoms and they're like, all right, we'll want to just fucking like bunch together and then we'll become a country yeah and that's kind of all of europe yeah italy italy italy just became italy like 10 years ago yeah no not 10 years but like in the 1900s yeah i thought that shit happened in like 1600s it was like 1978 yeah that's recent like there are italians in america did like have a lineage to a country that didn't even exist and now you get why they're all like oh i'm sicilian i'm venetian because you weren't italian i'm from the people of states or whatever like italy was well when did they become actually italy 50 something yeah i think it was like 56 around mussolini after mussolini it was post

world war ii yeah that they became like the unified whatever they later became a democratic

republic in 1946 but they were a country under the kingdom in 1861 still but 46 is when america's

than them yeah america's older than italy think about that sorry respect right 250 respect fire yeah i'm glad this world cup is over why no imagine it just happened all the time every year but that wouldn't be a special and they're expanding to 64 teams which i'm a big fan of oh more teams like i want random matchups more teams yeah like what random i mean i want north korea versus vatican city fire right like how sick would that be like i did i want random ass teams you you would never expect. I completely agree about more teams. Maybe Italy can get in.

No, that won't be possible. That won't be possible. But like, yeah, more teams because stretch it out, make it go longer. Yeah. We like this. It's only, it's also one out every four years. Yeah. And the perfect timing for Americans because we have no sports that we care about for another few months. Yeah. So this is the gap. But can it go on for longer

with all those other leagues? Yeah.

Then other leagues don't matter. And also like, it's not like every team manages to make it through.

once you're out you go play in your other little league yeah what if you in so now one team might be missing their best player it is what it is bro i don't know what to tell you like this is what

matters fighting for country right the league shut down no they keep playing there's only one

league that's in the summer europe european leagues are off from may to august but like south american mls yeah mls they pause when they play oh whatever none of them matter so just do

Do it all through and through. Yeah. Yeah, I think we need something. Right? Anyway, fellas, we appreciate you. We love you. We see you next week. Peace.

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