Then they said, you know what would be cool? It would be cool to blow up a synagogue. You want to do that? And he said, no, I don't want to do that. The FBI started pressuring him. What kind of Muslim are you? I thought we were friends. I vouched for you. The guys in the militia, which funny enough was called the Pineapple Militia because it was based in South Florida, allegedly. Of course, no such militia ever existed. You're making them angry. They thought you were part of the team. They thought you were a brother. Finally, he said, okay, okay, I'll do it just to get the guy off of his back. As soon as he said he would help them to blow up the New York Stock Exchange, they grabbed him and arrested him. They charged him with six separate felonies, all of which carried a sentence of life without parole. He was charged with two counts of conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction, conspiracy to commit murder by terrorism, and conspiracy to murder federal agents. Haroon is homeless and he's broke and he couldn't afford a lawyer. So he was assigned the federal public defender. I have a great deal of respect for federal public defenders. I've known a lot of attorneys over the years. I've employed a lot of attorneys over the years. The federal public defenders work as hard or harder than any other attorneys I've met in my life. The federal public defenders reached out to me just two weeks ago and asked if I would read the discovery in the case, and if I felt comfortable, testify as an expert witness on how to recruit an agent, how to carry out a recruitment without the person realizing that he's been recruited. I agreed to testify on behalf of the defense. Haroon's trial was the last week of june i testified just a few days before the end of the trial i did that via zoom as i was overseas for another event i testified for about three hours without stopping the government's questioning was brutal really all they wanted to talk about was my own whistleblowing and my own conviction of violating the intelligence identities protection act but i frustrated them because I had an answer. Whistleblowing is a defense. And I kept coming back to my whistleblowing. The federal public defender later told me, you couldn't see the jury on Zoom, but they were laughing at him, meaning the assistant U.S. attorney. He said, they loved you. You aced it. I kind of thought that I had aced it because the last question that the prosecutor had for me was, and I quote, at the end of the day, Mr. Kiriakou, you really are just a convicted criminal, aren't you? I answered, okay. And he said, not a yes or a no? Oh, I'm sorry. I thought the judge said we're not supposed to answer rhetorical questions. And the judge said, move on, counselor. He said, I have no further questions, Your Honor. And then the public defender jumped up and said, redirect, Your Honor. And this is exactly how it went.