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ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the my family think some crazy podcast i'm your host mystic mark and joining me today is a friend of the show someone who's been here before you know him from revisionisthistory.org and his many books that he's written particularly some favorites of today's guest who's not joining us just yet but secret societies and psychological warfare twilight language just to name a few so the great michael hoffman is here michael it's always a pleasure to talk to you as I alluded to Kurt Metzger will be jumping in here at some point during this recording and we will be sharing this on his feed so hello to all the Kurt Metzger fans on his YouTube channel but Michael I wanted to start the conversation off by asking you about your latest Substack post and your thoughts on America's 250th anniversary coming up and anything pertinent that you'd like to share with the audience. And thanks again for joining us.

Well, thank you, Mark. You're always very kind. And my Substack, for those who are interested, is michaelhoffman.substack.com. And yes, we are on the eve of the 250th anniversary of Jefferson's Declaration of Independence. And what I wanted to do was something different since there's a whole plethora of various perspectives on that. And one was to get into some of the foibles of George Washington and his alliance with the first Treasury Secretary of the United States, Alexander Hamilton, in something known as the Whiskey Rebellion. And largely, most of the establishment historians just gloss over the Whiskey Rebellion. They largely put the onus of culpability on the farmers, the farmers of western Pennsylvania, and largely exculpate Washington and his secretary of the treasury. And this is typical what I find when we're dealing with the contempt which the professorocracy, as I call the academics, and the media in terms of poor white people in America, because these were the dirt poor whites of western Pennsylvania, whose only currency at that time was whiskey. And it may sound humorous, but it actually wasn't because America was in rather dire straits at the end of the conclusion of the American Revolution. This is 1794, just 11 years after we won the battle and the revolution concluded in 1783. And there wasn't much money around, but what the farmers were able to do was they grew outstanding rye in Western Pennsylvania and they made rye whiskey out of it. This was not the era of aging whiskey. It was just distilleries. And so they were small distillers. And so Hamilton comes along and places an onerous excise tax on these farmers and basically lets the wealthier large distillers with whom he was in contact and actually associated with to receive discounts. The larger you're still, the larger the discount. So this really threatened to wipe out the competition so that the plutocrats could continue to rake in the money because what was known as Monongahela after the river that traversed western Pennsylvania, Monongahela Rye, was renowned throughout the 13 colonies for its excellence. And it was a means for these farmers to stay on their land and maintain their homes. And so they were livid about this. Many of them are actually veterans of the Continental Army having served under George Washington, who will now proceed to oppress them. And they were quite poor, but they were the yeomanry. You know, these are, you know, really rough, tough people. If you look at some of the stories of the militia who were fighting off Native American depredations, and we can get into that issue of the rights and wrongs of that, but certainly the Native Americans did not spare civil

civilians on the frontier. And so the response of these yeomen was very staunch. And they were good fighters, and they just won a revolution against, allegedly, the greatest military power in the West at that time, the British military. And so they weren't taking guff from anybody, least of all their former commander-in-chief, who was now president of the United States. The capital of the U.S. at that time was in Philadelphia. And so anyway, Washington gathers a militia together, and an army. Various aristocratic officers came to help out, for example, Light Horse Harry Lee, who would be the future father of Robert E. Lee, Commander of Confederate Forces in Northern Virginia, and other luminaries and worthies like that, who seemed to not have much reservations about going after their own people in Western Pennsylvania. And there were some heroes here, William Finley, a congressman originally from the British Isles who helped to defend them diplomatically, that is to say, and also Albert Gallatin, who acted as a diplomat and who would be Jefferson's future secretary of the treasury and quite a breath of fresh air compared with Alexander Hamilton, who is fundamentally a tyrant and represented the Federalist Party, which in many ways was trying to reimpose some of the aristocratic privileges that the American revolutionaries had just fought to cast off. And that was really problematic because one of the main claims to fame of the American Revolution was, and it's justifiable in most cases, is that the American Revolution represented the first time that the rights of the peasantry against kings and presidents and monarchs and and top authorities, was asserted, and asserted institutionally, both beginning with the Declaration of Independence and then later in the Constitution. One of the bones to pick that Washington had against the farmers was the idea that they were forming associations, combinations as they were called, almost like corporations.

Unions?

Pardon me?

Like a union? So they're forming unions, basically, in his eyes?

Yes, that's right, like a union, that's right.

is that you kurt yeah hey michael's uh uh thanks for uh being here i just had to take my dog out real quick um all right so i missed the first part of what was the initial question because

that sounded very interesting what yeah hi kurt we're talking about the 250th anniversary more specifically looking back at how america has largely forgotten about some major events like the whiskey rebellion which michael oh yeah right a gloss over of that event and how it sort of relates to this larger point about yeah america's freedom being uh sort of threatened in all these different places and most americans don't even know why or how it got that way well a quick

question is the whiskey rebellion is that when franklin's son like when they immediately went against the first amendment because he was writing about it in a way they didn't like am i wrong

about that uh that's something i'm not aware of you may be right but i um i wasn't aware of that

particular aspect you know because i really talk about the constitution but then when i think about it the thing i like is the amendments i mean i'm not like you know bicameral legislation the amendments are almost kind of afterthoughts with these people what they what you were just now speaking about how some first-time peasants were allowed to be uh you know involved in any way. Is that why they keep calling it the American experiment? Because it was that

it was that much of an insane idea. It was that along with something that Jefferson pioneered was that error has rights, which was even more revolutionary. And we haven't even caught up to that to this day, because many people will say, well, I'm against censorship unless there's an erroneous idea that needs to be exposed. And then we should suppress that erroneous idea. And what Jefferson asked was, who decides what is error? And so he said that error has rights. And when we see so many examples in history, for example, the French scientific board that existed in France in the 18th century condemned the idea of meteors and persecuted any scientist or astronomer who said there was such a thing. Or later on in the 19th century, I mean, we can give many egregious examples of this, But in the 19th century, when we have Semmelweis, Ignaz Semmelweis, the Hungarian physician who was operating in Europe and was the first to point out that women were dying in childbirth because physicians went from autopsies without washing their hands because they didn't believe in bacteria and then delivering the babies. He was driven out of the medical field and was actually eventually consigned to an insane asylum where he died. He compelled to go to an insane asylum. So these are examples where, at the time, the consensus believed that this was overwhelmingly error.

later on, we find out that it isn't true. And so that's Jefferson really pioneered that notion. And today, we have so many problems with, for example, the attack on social media coming from the legacy media, which says, well, there's all these errors there. And again, Jefferson wanted to know who decides what is error. So it's a fundamental attempt to suppress the whole concept of inquisition. And that was very revolutionary, along with, of course, the fact that Washington had turned down accepting a crown when some of the Americans wanted to make him a king. But what I was talking about at the time that you joined us was that he was opposed to these unions of the rebellious whiskey farmers of western Pennsylvania, and yet he himself, as Congressman William Finley, one of the first populists or most prominent populists of that era, called the father of the House of Representatives because he was one of the first leaders, he pointed out that Washington himself was a member of an elite union or society called the Cincinnati Society, where it was for officers of the American Revolution to come together, allegedly as sort of like a drinking society, but there was much more to it than that, just as the many tavern meetings of the revolutionaries in the 1770s were actually at more or less quasi-Masonic temples at these various pubs or taverns, as you may call them. So anyhow, yes, he said that this was a horrible conspiracy, and what I was pointing out was Albert Gallatin, along with Findlay, was one of the diplomats who tried to defuse the forthcoming war between Washington's army and the ragtag farmers. And Gallatin would go on, ironically, to be Secretary of the Treasury under Thomas Jefferson, and a much better one than Hamilton had been. But one of the things that most struck me was, is how oblivious Washington was to the suffering of these poor whites at the time when he seized as many as he could, as his army grabbed as many captives as they could and marched them back to Philadelphia. They basically were barefoot, stripped of much of their clothing, paraded before Washington at Christmastime in Philadelphia. and he was asked about this prior to that, that both Gallatin and Finley tried to reach out to him and say, this isn't how you want to treat these people. And he just more or less was sarcastic about it and said, this is what they deserve. So the level of contempt here is rather astonishing. And what I was telling Mark earlier was, is that establishment historians, when they treat this, are largely on the side of Hamilton and Washington, with some honorable exceptions.

And the problem with that is, is that I think that when they see that it's poor whites who are on the receiving end of this tyranny, they seem to have a, they exculpate Washington and Hamilton, whereas in other matters, for example, with relation to black slavery and the treatment of the Native Americans, they're much harsher. And I found that across the board in dealing with these areas where so much of the enslavement of whites, which is an actual fact, not just so-called indentured servitude, where they polished the master's silverware for seven years in the big house, but was actually much more tyrannical than that. and it certainly wasn't always, or even in most cases, limited to seven years, that's always glossed over with these euphemisms of servant and indenture. And actually, I mean, the original white slaves worked alongside black slaves in places like Barbados and in Virginia, where there was no cotton yet, it was tobacco. And that's where they got the names Scotland Johnnies and Hillbillies and things like that. So all of this is part of the contempt of the American ruling class both then and now for the white proletariat we uh okay i don't want to forget this but when

you when you brought up the cincinnati uh what'd you call the cincinnati society cincinnatus yes okay so i mean just recently i found this out from matt eric but uh edgar allen poe was in that and he was uh waging like a culture war against like these other later i guess i don't know if they're, uh, a worst secret society, like the Arthur Coney and Doyle and them. Have you ever

heard anything about that? Well, um, I, I don't think that a poll could have gotten in because the Cincinnati society was for officers who had fought in the American revolution and their descendants. Uh, well, no, actually, actually, no. Okay. Yeah. His, um, his grandfather was quartermaster general, uh, uh, for, uh, George Washington. So I correct myself there. That may have been the connection um but he himself was you know anti-masonic as you can see from his uh his story the cask of amontillado which is all about ensnaring a freemason and then burying him alive and that's the freemason what's that that's a freemason that he buries alive in cask oh no kidding yeah

montressor yeah montressor against fortunato and then also in another less well-known story it's unfortunate how the teachers teach uh the pit and the pendulum and things like that rather than teaching some of the stories of poe that have a lot more um are a lot more relevant to some of the things we're dealing with today and the other one is never bet the devil your head which involves a masonic theme so yeah i mean i he certainly was something of an aristocrat and had in terms of his sensibilities and had contempt for the cult around the founding fathers but then he was an obstreperous personality anyway and not exactly easy to get along with so it

might have just been a personality flaw well i matt i matt just sent me his book in it but it was it was all really surprising because I really just knew the stories you said and I was like whatever I had no idea there was all this elaborate but I had no idea how early they were trying to do full spectrum dominance across the culture and every aspect of everything like even when you just described in Washington you know I'm on Jimmy Dore's show he has a saying of whatever we're doing to other people to other countries they're going to do it to you whatever contempt they have for other countries don't think they're not going to come back they probably tested it out on you first or whoever they thought they could and they're going to do it here so uh washington i've never been to his plantation uh uh but shane gillis my friends the comic went he's got a funny bit i don't even think he he knows what he's saying with it because it was very funny you go underground where you see here he kept the slaves it's like an underground tunnel that you would say is a conspiracy nowadays if somebody had and uh they have people acting like it's the time period so there's a black guy down there she said making him feel okay imagine making him feel guilty and he goes oh yeah i forgot the founding fathers are human traffickers and it's such a funny line to me because they are they to parade those people back that's the way a cartel boss does things or any other bad guy that we would go invade their country that's how they treat the peasantry right and and and so the

hypocrisy is, is that the academics have really taken the side of the persecutors of those white peasants or farmers, and at the same time are hypersensitive to any type of slight or, you know, the situation with black enslavement, which, of course, you know, what we have to understand was is that the founding fathers were hypocritical in terms of preaching freedom for whites and not for the blacks who they enslaved. But at the same time, I think as certain dissident historians have pointed out, the constitution was set up, for example, in banning the international slave trade, which went into effect in 1808. And later on was really had enough openings in it that that's how we were able to, that Lincoln was on firm ground when he emancipated the slaves and found inspiration from the founders, despite the hypocrisy, in terms of he knew that they saw, and almost all of them were troubled in conscience, especially Jefferson, who he said we have a wolf by the ears, knew that this had to go. It had to be eliminated. So long term, the Constitution, and this is a controversial subject, but I believe the Constitution was set up so that eventually the manumission or emancipation of Black people would occur. At the same time, however, I want to point out a couple of things. One is that Washington certainly during the American Revolution was a noble leader and kept the military together in fighting one of the most powerful militaries in the world from the British crown. And he certainly deserves our respect for that. Also turning down a totalitarian kind of rule by turning down a crown and making himself a king. So these things have to be pointed out that he was certainly a worthy man at that time. But, you know, over time, our rectitude decays and this is what happened with washington we need to point that out also i just want to mention and it's sort of like a part of my principles that freemasonry in that era has to be understood because so many were masons jefferson was not washington was for a time and later on seemingly repudiated his masonic service although that also is controversial but We have to understand that masonry got launched in 1717, so at the start of the 18th century, and it really was the hippie movement of the times. That's the analogy I like to draw. And so we know so many people, at least me being a child of the 1970s, you know, a lot of my friends who had long beards and long hair and everything else went on to eschew all of that and get into the corporate world for good or ill.

and other types of remunerative areas that were based on raising families and so forth. And so you can't say, well, they were hippies all of their lives. It was an experiment. And the same thing was true of Freemasonry in that era, because Freemasonry presented itself as a lie as being a tolerationist society where free speech and an end to the fratricide of the internecine warfare between Catholics and Protestants would be ended. And Freemasonry offered that. And that was very appealing to people who either experienced as children before they emigrated to the U.S. or their parents experienced the slaughter that went on between supposed followers of Jesus Christ. So that was the lure there. And many noble people were attracted to that. Now, as it turns out, Freemasonry was a far more was a far more oppressive church, if you will, because it had all the trappings of temples and a priesthood than the church itself. For example, the murder of William Morgan in 1826 in upstate New York. And prior to that, Benjamin Franklin implicated in the murder of a dissident Freemason in Philadelphia. And of course, most notoriously, Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormons, was assassinated by a mob of Freemasons. So also Freemasons are guilty of burning presses. William Morgan, the company that was about to publish his book, they had their press burned down. So Freemasonry's cover story is really threadbare in terms of that. But it was accepted in the 18th century. And then later on, for example, Washington distanced himself when there was all of that agitation about the Illuminati. And that was brought forth in different books at the time. And he was confronted with that. And he said, I haven't been in a Masonic lodge in more than 50 years so he whether that was true or not he he had to at least put forth the idea that he was embarrassed by his service and so i think that needs to be understood that that you know jesus said that by their fruits you will know them the fruits of the american revolution have been outstanding and we're enjoying them to this day so we have to really get a proper perspective on

that i think oh i think it's a great point because i tend to get overly negative about it and and you know there's so many uh i forget all about the whiskey rebellion actually i probably haven't thought about it until you brought it up since i first heard of it there's so many little interesting nuances in it by the way do you know edgar allen poe died he was wearing the wrong clothes that weren't his and he was muttering reynolds it sounds like some kind of poison matt well i'm the reason i really i'm glad to have you on the show is because i i bought i got um um twilight language because i i've been trying to figure out what in the heck you know uh kathy o'brien's story she talks about the guy who sings i'm proud to be an american saying he knows the twilight language while dealing with yeah and i've heard it come up a few times like what in the hell is a twilight language and uh your book with in fact i've been trying to find the quote and maybe you could remind me now because duncan is borrowing the book after i finished it um what is the quote from rabbi shmuley about how we need to relearn hate you have a great part in the beginning of the book where after 9-11 and i i don't know maybe it was even later but he was talking about like why it's righteous to hate he wrote a whole essay

like that's how about do you remember what that's from where he wrote that i don't i try to avoid uh rabbi shmuley um for rather obvious reasons because he's so such a repellent personality so i don't but it doesn't surprise me that he would be celebrating hate yeah it's uh

anyway the nlp the twilight language thing is so uh i don't know once you see it you can't unsee it and uh what i'm curious is is since you can see when they're doing that we keep having this thing come up on jimmy's show where it's like at first people were saying trump has bad information coming to him but i i find that to be impossible because he said all these really smart things just before he got in about stopping the slaughter and this and that and all of a sudden it's like a gaslight there's another trump all of a sudden there's the janus the two-faced god um how how could it be but this is why i always wonder because there's no way this is possible like i'm getting better information the president that can't possibly be true so he's got to be lying but do you think there's a degree that it's so compartmentalized that you know like fox news is just for him to watch really everybody else can watch it and everybody is so being programmed in their own separate box that that

could be possible or am i far-fetched well uh i paid attention to joe kent the former counter intelligence officer and director who resigned uh at the time of the invasion of iran and he said that uh many of the anomalies associated with trump's behavior are due to him uh being under press. of assassination, he understands that the Mossad is one of the most efficacious and competent assassination bureaus in the world, and that he has a fear that what happened to Charlie Kirk will happen to him or to his relatives. And so according to Joe Kent, and I certainly pay attention to a guy who was director of counterintelligence and had access to so many of the secret files, that's what's really motivating Trump's schizophrenia. On the other hand, we see that Trump did lash out at Netanyahu and turn around and actually make a statement that the legacy media has never really been making clearly, is that he actually said in that offhand reckless way that he tends to speak, he said that here Netanyahu bombs an entire civilian apartment building in order to kill one Hezbollah operative. And that is such a core truth of what's been happening both in Lebanon and Gaza. And the fact that he would articulate that, it sort of shows that he's so impetuous that if Joe Ken is correct, he's willing to throw off his fear of assassination in order to blurt that out. So he's certainly an interesting study. Of course, I have no use for him because he's betrayed so much of what he promised to us. I didn't vote for him. But nonetheless, the Epstein files were supposed to be completely released. And we were supposed to have a non-interventionist foreign policy both of which he has betrayed it's the biggest rug pull

i think i've ever seen of someone going reversing like i just blatantly reversing it and then i guess uh it was probably people still wearing covid masks like the mask never did anything it turns out anybody that bothered to you know you shouldn't do your own research obviously but people that did found that out um and i was like this is a test to see how obedient everyone is because that's how it seems with this trump thing it went from uh him mocking i'm with her the hillary slogan and he would go i'm with you and then within like a month he gets in and all of a sudden are you still loyal to trump like i was never loyal to trump i thought it was he's with me and they just flipped that and that's some kind of twilight language thing there's something going on that that they're linguistically and you hear you know a phrase repeated and then i'll talk you know i'll talk to people that i think are smarter than me and they repeat the craziest we have the you know the ice pageant where they kill them people and they have mass mass cops should be like everybody should be up in arms about that you have a secret identity as a cop people that are smart go well they might get doxxed you think about that for two seconds like i don't know is how do you like make uh how do you break uh the trance effect of that i i guess did you ever see any way of breaking the trance of these repeated phrases well one of them would

be to um fast from all media i would say it doesn't mean that you have to break away from it and live like the amish for the rest of your life but i think that a uh interregnum where you're taking a break and fasting from that would help people a great deal because otherwise we're in one of the final aspects of the rosicrucian alchemical game plan which is the revelation of the method where they have taken the pulse of the American people and decided that we've reached a stage of such degeneracy in terms of our humanity that they can reveal to us what they've done to us and we won't do anything in response. In fact, our mental enslavement will be exponentially increased as a result of our apathy. And that's what I'm seeing in terms of them. And they don't do it in all cases because obviously they still have secrets to keep. But in many cases, they have revealed to us that they are the ones, our leaders are the ones who are actually our worst enemies. And this gradual, which is now speeding up, but when I first noticed it under James Shelby Downard, my mentor in the 1970s, it was gradual, but it sped up to the point where they're almost openly thumbing their noses at us. And I think that's a very powerful psychological method of enslaving people. You find out what's being done. For example, they couldn't have done this 150 years ago because people were in such form that they would have simply attacked the White House or the Pentagon or whoever they saw as their oppressor, whoever had revealed the facts about what's been done to them. And instead now it becomes grist for the conspiratorial people's mill that what they're really into, many of them, I'd say 90 or 95 percent of conspiracy theorists that I've known, they're not into it for actually trying to not just reveal the truth, but also bring people to prosecutorial justice, like Jim Garrison attempted to do in the early days of the aftermath of the Kennedy assassination. And we've actually heard this said, where the prop Thomas Massey has said, where are we going to have, and Marjorie Taylor Greene, where are we going to have a prosecution of the Epstein conspirators? And it doesn't happen. Instead, it becomes sort of like an adrenaline thrill. You know, we think about the massacre of people at the uh

in front of the iconography of Egypt in Las Vegas there. I mean, that was done right in front of a setup of ancient Egypt's icons and pyramid. And it's so obvious that that was a government setup that the alleged perpetrator was simply suicided, killed, made to look like a suicide. And so, you know, there was a burst of conspiracy analysis of that, whether helicopters were doing it, who was involved, different camera angles. But ultimately, nothing happened. No one was prosecuted. And there's a large segment of conspiracy theorists who are just seeking an adrenaline thrill from that. And then a week or two later, that's faded into oblivion. And they want to know what's the next thrill? What's the next conspiracy? That is very deadening to what we're trying to do here in America to make our lives better and for our children and grandchildren. And that is to bring these people to justice. Because one of the ways the cryptocracy recruits for its crimes is to point out to the recruits that no one's ever been prosecuted from this, from Kennedy on downward, from the assassination of Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy's father, and so forth. And so without that, we're stuck in the revelation of the method where they reveal to us what they're doing, we don't properly react, and we're that much more

under their thumb. Yeah, it's shocking. Well, I didn't know. The Rosicrucians really lay it out like that because on jimmy's show i go if you guys don't acknowledge this epstein thing if everybody just lets this go you're telling them that's cool it's going to be so much worse now

so that's literally a plan they wrote down yes absolutely yeah it's called must be and also um i i'll just show up here this is from twilight language page 247 which is one of the important uh icons of the movement at that time uh the two-headed being possessing both male and female genitalia depicted by michael mayer and emblem 33 of his atlanta of fugins atlanta fleen and this was a whole twilight language uh manifesto that was done uh way back in the 17th century and i'm not saying that it's a careful precise plotting because a great deal of this has to do with psychodrama i mean one of the ways one of the best ways you define that please psychodrama So Psychogrom would be one of the best ways to bring people into programming and processing by telling a great story, which is what we see, for example, if you look at one of the early entries in Steven Spielberg's Ouv, which is Amazing Stories. It was an anthology series for television. And at the beginning of it, he shows a tribesman sitting around a campfire telling stories. And then from that, it morphs into the television set itself and some people sitting around there. So he's saying that the old saw is tell me who writes your stories and I don't care who makes your laws. And so they're in charge of writing the story. They're in charge of projecting a science fiction future, which is basically been confected by them. It doesn't necessarily have a basis in reality, even of projecting the future. But because we absorb that image, their dream and their narrative, we end up acting it out because we believe that it's an inevitable process. And so all of that comes together for a psychodrama, such as what we saw with the killing of the king, as Mr. Downer pointed out, King Kill 33, where you had the creation and destruction of primordial matter at the Trinity site in July 16th, 1945. And then you had the killing of the king near the 33rd degree of North Parallel Latitude in Dallas. And if you look at the Golden Bough by Sir James Fraser, you will see these things in ancient paganism. And here they were acted out. Kennedy, the three unworthy assassins. Remember the three hobos who are picked up and people try to identify which CIA agent was. Oh. But actually, that was a repetition of an ancient Masonic notion of the unworthy assassins, the three unworthy, the bum, basically, hobos who had killed Hiram of Tyre, the architect of the Temple of Solomon. And their names were also found in the Jack the Ripper killings, having been written on a wall.

And Sir Charles Warren, who was one of the highest Freemasons in England at that time and who had done fundamental archaeological research on the rebuilding of the Temple of Solomon in Palestine earlier, had those words erased. It said the Jewese will be blamed. It will not be for nothing that the Jewese will be blamed for this. It wasn't a reference to the Jews. It's J-U-W-E-S, Jubilo, Jubilem, the three unworthy assassins, as they're called. And so that image was recreated in Dallas that day as a kind of imprinting on our group mind, what Jung would call the subconscious and the Jungian archetypes that they're trying to draw out of us. And we also saw this in The Son of Sam Murders, where a very inarticulate and semi-literate person by the name of David Berkowitz was accused of writing letters to Jimmy Breslin, which were filled with eloquent references to ancient pagan killings and demonic spirits. And one of them, he signed himself as Wicked King Wicker, rapist and suffocator of young girls, which, by the way, should have tipped off the New York City Police Department that this was outside the purview of Son of Sam, who only shot people with a Bulldog .44 pistol. What was the reference to rapists and murderers of young girls? Well, that was actually to Rochester, New York. But anyhow, what I'm saying is that signing yourself Wicked King Wicker was actually a throwback to one of the most basic and fundamental of all of the twilight language words because the root of the word wicker, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, is the bending of reality.

Really?

Yes.

Wow. um have you ever you know that um the the nine you came up in new age stuff and dr puharich and i'll see people making rounds now talking about it and gene roddenberry he he uh was channeling the nine i think when he's making the first movie you've heard of this this thing right and then oh i think uh at least one israeli x something talked about ufos has brought up the nine um i i found that book uh this dissipation of the darkness the one from 1910 where it claims masonry not freemasonry was from herod agrippa and his eight friends calling themselves the i mean the book i would probably just dismiss entirely except for they called themselves the nine and the chain nine i do you ever hear anything about that or or have any idea if there's any is that is that book even should i even consider it uh i'm not aware of the book but

I'm certainly aware of Cornelius Henry Agrippa, who was actually a Roman Catholic and part of the Neoplatonic Hermetic conspiracy, which seized the Vatican in the late 1400s and early 1500s. But that book itself and the concept of the nine, I'm not aware of.

Well, it's a claim that they call themselves, I guess, Christianity was spreading very quickly. so the nine i think you're saying wait did you talk oh that's weird i thought uh i'm getting

like a delay or something yeah i was gonna just maybe like yeah there might be a little bit of a delay i was maybe trying to jog hoffman's uh memory are you familiar with peter lavenda's work at all michael hoffman he wrote about the nine um and this sort of channeled deity that uh You know, they claim had some sort of influence over what became some of the Majestic 12 material and other Project Blue Beam associated stuff going on in the government. But it was essentially like what you talk about when you reference the psychic highway, these spiritualists who are, you know, doing seances and connecting. They were all talking about disembodied. Yeah.

Yeah. well the book here's the book dissipation of the darkness it came out in 1910 i don't remember the guy's name it's free online uh and it's all about how christianity was spreading so fast and herod agrippa the the son or grandson of the guy who was trying to kill jesus in the beginning of the story he assembles eight friends one of them named hyrum abuel who ended up being killed by like wild dogs or something unrelated and as a tribute to him they put that in the story as a biv and um they couldn't understand why it was spreading so quickly so they called them i think they called themselves the the mysterious force and they go or the chain nine they made a they made a uh an oath that they're going to be chained to this thing just to infiltrate and do whatever so this guy and he died it says in the in the beginning the guy died after giving the book in so it's set up in a very like pulpy kind of way like i said i would have kind of dismissed but the thing about the nine and and that particular agrippa who was good friends with caligula and he's the one that you know like worms ate him from the inside while he's coming out in his finery and everybody says it's god uh i don't know it seems like there's a real strain especially with steven spielberg of some kabbalah thing through all of this alien talk i mean it that goes back like i know kabbalah is only supposedly goes back so far but there's something babylonian that they're basing that on.

isn't there? Yes, yes, of course. And the most powerful and influential of the different Talmuds is the Babylonian Talmud, which was written in Babylon between the first century A.D. and probably completed around the third or fourth century A.D. And you mentioned Gene Roddenberry. It's interesting when Elon Musk was asked about what type of future we want, he said, We want a Gene Roddenberry future, i.e. Star Trek, rather than a James Cameron Terminator future. So he's he sort of regards Roddenberry as being benevolent.

We get a nuclear war first. You know, I don't forget Star Trek. They don't go to space until the I don't know, some eugenics war. We're going to get both. That's what they're saying is going to be both because the whole, you know, there's going to be a big cleansing. And then, man, this is what really burns me up every time I see this alien shit is, you know, these are, to me, extradimensional sex tourists, if they're not completely made up. And they're like, so after you get assaulted, then you get a lecture on, like, don't pollute and nuclear weapons. Well, if it's before 1980, you get a lecture on nuclear weapons as if you control that. You know, we have a president you could probe and tell him that. or after that interestingly it's all climate change stuff and environment so you could see the marketing you know in the as soon as i hear the aliens that were concerned about the environment i'm like what why and also why would they go to zimbabwe that sounds like you're experimenting with a new doodad on some kids in africa where you could get away with it more than an important message for the world regarding you know how much this stuff is is uh what do you

call it psychotronic weaponry well it's like spielberg's new movie disclosure day which i think is riffing off revelation of the method and and he posits the idea that benevolent aliens are are being held by the government well if they're benevolent why haven't we seen the government change its ways you know and the whole issue you know and the whole issue of ufos and space aliens and everything, I think is an enormous chimera. Because one of the aspects of it is, is that if we look at it, it's existed throughout history. If you were in Ireland in the 18th or early 19th century, you didn't see a UFO, which the concept of a disc like that actually begins in 1947, when it was first noticed in that particular regard. In other words, in a high tech kind of vision. Whereas in the late 18th and early 19th century, when unidentified flying objects were reported, it was a sailing ship with masts. And instead of little, little aliens, they were leprechauns or they were fairies. And so this is a sort of a universal hallucination, which we can track across time. And I don't believe that it actually has anything to do with anything physical. So that, for example, in cryptozoology, when have we ever found the corpse of Deadfoot, of Bigfoot? And when have we ever actually seen these alleged flying saucers, I mean, pounded on them and hear the sound of it and actually look at the aliens? Because they're not corporeal, in my opinion. They are evanescent. And so we had a professor of mathematics at the University of Oxford by the name of Charles Ludwig Dodgson, who's more commonly known as Lewis Carroll, who formulated this in his Alice in Wonderland books with the Cheshire Cat. The Cheshire Cat looks like it's corporeal. And there it is talking to Alice and looking at Alice. And yet at the same time, it becomes evanescent so that he eventually fades away. And that I think is the phenomenon. I think that that great mathematician Carroll was presenting that to us. And I believe that's what is really represented by so-called space aliens. It's an evanescent phenomenon that pulls from the archetypes in our subconscious and then brings it out, it brought out. And I think that that's a function of the spirit world and all of this other stuff about aliens and everything is a great distraction. So much of what the sorcerers of our time are trying to do to us is to misdirect us, to take our attention and push it away from that, which is vital to our survival and for us to prevail here on this earth as we were intended to do and to distract us into these various rabbit holes, which end up being sterile and a waste of time.

yeah well i mean the it really is amazingly the way the the surface images change of the thing because you can see how you've been i mean everything from my old childhood was just grooming like they were grooming my brain so that this disembodied thing could have a pathway to hijack my own my own uh you know i don't know causing the wave function to collapse or something and to give it a form because it doesn't have one and then those sigils there's something with those sigils where that's almost like a compressed part of the entity and then there's the plasma blob thing and then you're the you're the medium a big bag of water and blood and whatever that it could filter itself through um i i've been uh my girlfriend had an experience of that and with these orbs you know i know people that were doing this stupid ce5 thing and like calling orbs and they're talking about he i'm like what what actually did it do it sounds like you're a cat looking at laser pointers like what okay i'm gonna do i'm gonna use my cell phone as a ouija board and call orb now what like what does that and uh it's really accelerated like have you seen that guy jeremy corbell you know that is he was he was going around bob lazar real energetic kind of hipster looking guy so he did an episode of my other podcast that i do with that duncan called mystery boys and and i mean boy he drank the kool-aid that it's been elvin all the way he's like was it good to have new experiences i'm like you don't understand there's a whole other aspect i i actually had someone tell me because i asked uh my friend uh gray who was uh x mk monarch or so he says but i do kind of believe him i used to be jehovah's witness and he was in the uh the left hand path one let's say which i didn't know we had in jehovah's witnesses until very recently until i met blair white you're blair white russell the trans uh online person her name is blair white russell her whatever relative invented jehovah's witnesses charles taze russell she went to school in a black pyramid in northern california much like the one on charles taze russell's grave it's just creepy as hell but i asked him i go hey i mean what are those great and he goes the way he put it back to me he's like well where's their consciousness come from or where does the body come from because nobody asked the question like that and the consciousness i think they're all coming from here i don't think they're coming from outer space but you know the physical uh i forget what it oiketarian or whatever that that could be from anywhere right it's really these they classify consciousness is what they've classified

i wanted to mention if you don't mind if you remember back in 2020 a monolith mysteriously appeared in utah uh do you remember that uh it had been set up by somebody well it was it made big headlines oh yes okay okay okay yeah and it and it resembled the mysterious structure in kubrick's 2001 uh and kubrick associated that with the speeding up of human evolution i actually associated it with the devolution of humanity. But at that time, it was so I look forward to getting down there and taking a look at it. But it was actually dismantled by the local one of the local Moab guys called Andy Sketchy Andy Lewis of Moab, who took responsibility for tearing it down. He said that it was polluting the desert there. So he was on a campaign to render the desert pristine. But however, he is one of the base jumpers and mountain climbers and high wire walkers who also deposit a great deal of junk in the desert there. So that seemed to me to be a cover story for something else. And the interesting thing about Andy Sketchy Lewis, who died this month, by the way, in Utah, was that he appeared with Madonna in her highly occult ritual at the 2012 Super Bowl pageant at halftime. He actually walked a slackline, and he was a brilliant and courageous sackline performer. Madonna appeared in a gold-colored cape wearing an ancient Egyptian headdress. Do you remember that? And it was watched by 100 million people, and that's part of the psychodrama that I'm talking about. It was a really weird image, and she's there nuzzling up to andy lewis so in my view he would almost have to be an initiate it could be innocent that he was just a dupe but he'd almost have to be an initiate he's dressed in a toga from that era and now in in june he was base jumping with it he has a business of base jumping and slackline walking and uh earlier this month he died um they were trying to parachute off of part of the mountain And I don't know what happened to the parachute or whatever, but he was killed. But I thought it was something that piqued my curiosity because of his former role in Madonna's occult ritual. And as if that wasn't enough, then he's part of dismantling this mysterious monolith, which we never found out who put it up, or I think it's still held by the park service. But so, again, you know, they're always getting rid of the forensics so that after 9-11, you know, it's all of the.

The remains of the 9-11 towers are carted away much sooner than they should have been, which is actually a kind of interference with the investigation. The same thing happens with Ted Kaczynski. I was on the scene for Ted Kaczynski in the aftermath of his arrest, and I was in Lincoln, Montana, and his cabin was carted away and put on a highly secure part of an Air Force base. Why that had to be highly secure, I don't know. and then the media proceeded to claim that all these things were pulled out of that little cabin i mean it was he would have had to have the size of walmart for what they said was inside that cabin but again we don't get to examine it to this day i don't think anybody has unless they

i've seen that picture of the of the cabin in the in the uh air jet hanger i was like was he yeah no maybe it was uh bigger on the inside than the outside like and that's why they have to lesson yeah the uh car charlie kirk they paved the the whole you know the pentagram they killed them on they paved that over uh like immediately like i've never seen well maybe it's the first time i noticed or because this charlie kirk one seems even sloppier than those but you know what i might have just not been looking back then do you do you notice like a declining quality of

cover-up exactly thank you for mentioning that that's exactly part of the revelation of the method. It's deliberately declining cover up. Again, giving us, in that particular case, a peek out of the corner of our eyes. Many times it's very blatant what they tell us, you know, what they're doing to us. I mean, beginning with the assassination of President Kennedy, just a little after high noon in Dallas in front of the public. And, you know, the whole story about the lone nut assassin, which has really become threadbare because we saw that repeated again and again with Bobby Kennedy and with Martin Luther King and others. That's just, to me, it's revelation of the method very blatantly. The American people in 1963, I was a little kid then, but a fairly precocious one. And I had a sense of how cynical the people were about Kennedy's death and sensing that there was a lot more to it than simply Lee Harvey Oswald, especially when Jack Ruby shot him down. And then later on, Ruby spilled the beans to Dorothy Kilgallen, the New York journalist, and also the What's My Line participant. And then she's, of course, assassinated as so many of the witnesses to the Kennedy conspiracy were killed. And way is it, as you say, a declining cover up there. And so that's all the way going back to 1963. If we don't have a greater sense of justice then we're just not going to be compelled to do anything than be spectators at our own demise uh what guy de board wrote in his very seminal book and i highly recommend it to you the society of the spectacle which is what we have become spectating at our own demise and that's exactly part of the grand conspiracy in my view um hold on i saw right down i remember i had

an ex-girlfriend that read it and uh but she's like an idiot she's like all in on like one of the parties and i think she just like and i remember dismissing you know back in i was in new york for 9-11 and and uh this is amazing to me like i i didn't know until a couple years ago that building seven was a third building and i asked other people i knew from the time and they didn't know okay so anytime i bring up tower seven for years i i i don't know what i was thinking i mean then and somebody must have mentioned this but they must have not mentioned a lot on the news the reason we know that those guys the guy flew the plane that they say is because they found his passport after a crash into the building now i'll bet you i might i probably would have been too stupid to to have a problem with that at that time even because if you think about jack ruby and not now the idea of that just yeah there's another uh low nut shot that low nut like that's so preposterous of an idea but i would have never seen it yeah the pet

The passport story is also revelation of the method. Who could possibly believe that? And, of course, most dramatically, the controlled demolition, which brought down the two towers, which we've seen repeatedly, which is a classic of controlled demolition. And they're told us that the jet fuel did it when jet fuel has never done that with any structure that size ever in world history. Again, revelation of the method. They're telling us what we did to us, what they did to us. And instead of seeking the prosecution of everybody involved from George W. Bush on down, we move on.

Well, we were mad at my I have a friend, Stephen is easy that was on it because he lost his Buffalo Wild Wings endorsement because his story about he was working and he didn't go. He decided to do comedy instead of go to his job. it was made up and he had made it up a long time ago and somebody brought it up to him so he just stuck with it and then he got exposed i've actually seen people like i can never forgive him for that really like you can forgive the people that actually did 9 11 i guess because of steve's lies we went to 20 years of bad wars in iraq so he is to blame that's great but the people are trained in a way i've never maybe i just did notice it every time i because i have to learn current events non-stop and and that wouldn't be so bad i mean i like to learn but trying to tell people after that's where the trauma comes in and the responses i get are like i mean it's like i'm in a fucking twilight zone they they blankly say the most the dumbest shit i've ever heard even if like look if you i don't care about anybody's if i like them i'm sure everybody's nice okay so ducker carlson right now he's saying things that i go okay the only guy i heard to apologize for all that iraq i'm sure he has a cia background this and that but when people go he's just apologizing formally supporting it because it's a psyop what what would the psyop of that be like you know i mean like you know i don't i don't get it um everyone around me on this and doing podcast well not everyone like a few people are tell the truth but for the most part i see a bunch of people that don't believe in anything anything at all and they are literally looking at that trend and it's always shocking when i realize like how prevalent it is but i would say it's like 80 of the people doing podcast stuff have no fixed especially if they make money at it they have no fixed positions really on anything and they sure as hell don't want to

keep going on about epstein and they want to spread confusion and i think also a kind of paranoia which is not productive so that taking a look at tucker carlson again the criteria should always be what are his fruits what have been the effect of his broadcast they've been very good i mean he's largely exposing the system i mean he makes some mistakes and there's some uh aspects of it that i don't agree with which is you know true of any speaker but he's really done a tremendous amount of good in terms of exposing both Trump and the Iran-Israeli project in some remarkable ways. And yet there's people who invent out of thin air, in my opinion, that, you know, he's some kind of also conspirator. And I've also heard remarks about Thomas Massey, who to me is a great hero. If we don't have heroes, if we're suspicious of everybody, then we will go down into despair and to a kind of paralysis which is exactly where the cryptocracy wants us and they will continue to march forward and we will continue to spectate at that uh i like cryptocracy way

better than like deep state as a term by the way that's like a much i think it's such a better it's such a better way to think of it because i mean deep state kind of refers just like administrative doesn't it i mean it's a much deeper uh how much of the founding fathers that hippie analogy is is very helpful but you know some of them are part of that east french eastern order right that like some of them were in on or some kind of a cultist i i always thought and i could be totally wrong that i was getting this from uh larouche some larouche stuff so that could be it could be good or bad i'm not sure but but didn't he have a picture like francis bacon and some other occultist or isaac newton and somebody else i thought jefferson was like a big time kind of rosy cross guy am i wrong about that yes absolutely he was an enemy

of the occult um i i i gave a speech in colispell montana a few years ago delving into that because i did the research on his criticisms of the talmud and the kabbalah and that's really um you know that's that's a red red line when you see that that that's an indicator that he was independent of that never was a member of freemasonry and in fact among the most admired of all the founders in terms of popular culture. Benjamin Franklin is actually the one I think who was most deeply implicated. He was the grandmaster of two different Masonic lodges in France, and Masonic lodges in France at that time were fairly sinister, and also implicated in the murder of the dissident Freemason in Philadelphia. That's never been properly investigated. I've taken to task some of his main hagiographers, that is to say, people have written biographies of him where he's portrayed as a saint, and they haven't been able to account for it either. No one really wants to look into it and do the kind of on-the-ground research that needs to be done into that murder. And maybe later on, you know, Franklin reformed. He said some wonderful things. We've given you a republic. Let's see if you can keep it. But that's basically boilerplate. I mean, in terms of his actual involvement, a lot more investigation has to be done. but As I said at the top of the broadcast, I think that the effects, the fruits of the American Revolution have been overwhelmingly positive. And so many of our own ancestors came to this country for the opportunity that that revolution created. And, you know, this American dream continues on. People say it's no use. It's too late. That's paralysis talk, OK? It's never too late. Tell that to the cryptocracy. Tell them it's too late for them. For us, we have a future to win and it can still be done. And the First Amendment still lives. Otherwise, you and I wouldn't be chatting here today. We'd either be in jail or Mark's program would be shut down. Now, I myself have been banned from YouTube and PayPal and things like that. So I'm well aware that there is this banning aspect to what's going on. But the First Amendment remains something of a bulwark in terms of the rule of law, whereas in Europe and Great Britain, you see almost none of that. It's it's it's heavily obstructive, our free expression.

easily worse than russia by a lot as far like i know they don't have a i don't like that trigonometry uh dude constantine but he was right they at the time he was they're talking to sam harris that luminary and he's talking about how how bad putin is there's yummy people in prison for tweets in uh great britain right now four thousand and putin has about like 200 i mean it's not even close and the they keep pushing this with those stupid uh ai data centers uh do you want china to win that it's the lamest uh fear-mongering the china thing since i you know we make our shoes and uh phones and viruses there i don't see how they'd be our enemy at the end of the day are do you think um i don't know i don't know how much time you spend online i i don't go on twitter i had to like turn off my twitter notifications because i don't trust that the the responses i'm getting are so stupid sometimes i think they're like a bot i think it's like just somebody's got an army of bots to to that are trained to like ignore your point and keep you engaged and arguing you know but do you think the majority of people are falling for this still because i i sometimes i think not but then i realize you know i'm i'm in a bubble of not

believing in that stuff so i might be wrong about that well i'm here in north idaho um where we have a baseline of people who are pretty much aware of what you and i are aware of and willing to take a stand to do something about it but that stand is a little bit different than the one scripted for us by the cryptocracy which is uh their infiltrators want to tell us to take up guns and form militias and get ready to uh proceed with violence and the cryptocracy loves violence Whereas what's happening up here is many people from all over the United States, particularly California, Washington State, Oregon, and others are moving here in order to raise large families and to train up those children in the way they will go. And without that root, without starting it from families and families that are as strong as our grandparents' families, then we're lost. And I'm seeing a real revival here. Very happy people. my sister came from New York to go to church here. I'm Catholic. She's Catholic. She came to the Catholic church and she couldn't believe how many kids were in the church. I mean, just overwhelmingly. And parents with four or five kids, not just two, which is great. I mean, any child that anyone's willing to have and raise and invest in is a wonderful thing. And so that's what gives me hope. And many of these people are, they're highly aware. They're open to my own work here, although I don't do a lot of organizing here because I'm largely just a historian and a researcher and that's my, you know, my main activity, but where I can speak with people and encourage them, I always want to say, you know, if you don't have a family yourself, why don't you be an honorary aunt or uncle to someone who does? We can all play a part here. So I realize that that's fairly prosaic in the minds of people who are more interested in the hair-raising experiences of conspiracy theory. But nonetheless, I think that's where it starts. And I do think these people are aware they consistently vote for pretty good radical populist candidates here who have stood the test of time. In fact, today, the Supreme Court, as you know, has upheld the idea of banning female impersonators, they're not women, from women's sports, which I don't understand why feminists aren't behind that. But anyway, that happened. And I think that that's something that I, you know, it's Idaho was Idaho and another state were the ones that initiated that movement at legislatively. And so that's an affirmation, a very positive affirmation of fundamental biology. When we can't get the X, X, Y chromosome differentiation established, then we're really showing that we're completely disconnected from reality.

so i can't even believe how far that i mean like people go about oh they couldn't hide this or that i'm like they somehow we haven't had disclosure of what a female is somehow we lost the ancient knowledge of if women have dicks or not

um i know you gotta i know you gotta uh go soon and thanks for coming and doing uh uh doing i your books are great i recommend to everybody and i know you took a lot of flack for nonsense reasons over the years certainly before i discovered your stuff um uh will you just tell me one time that quote from jefferson because i want to make the title of this episode mark uh what is it the fundamental right of error what is it yes error has rights error has rights yeah that's probably the best jefferson quote i've ever heard and i i've never

heard it until just now so um it was about my my statement about that was about to be published in the wall street journal i knew the editor of the letters section and um he he had my phone number he called me up and he said that's going in i've never heard about error has rights and i think it's important and then he called me a couple days later and he said over the weekend i had um i don't know who whether he meant a cia agent or an editor of the wall street journal he said I had him come through here on my desk and he saw that I was about to submit your letter for publication and he spotted your name and said that I shouldn't do it. Anyway, Thomas Jefferson in his first inaugural address, March 4th, 1801, he said, and I quote, error of opinion must be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it. And those to me are immortal words and he'll always be a hero in my mind for that reason alone, but also the fact that he was unwilling to adapt the Presbyterians' demand, which is still being made by, for example, people like Douglas Wilson, Reverend Douglas Wilson, who is Pete Hegseth's spiritual advisor, who has stated that when Presbyterians, or not specifically Presbyterians, but the people he certifies as Christian take power in America, Catholic ceremonies such as parades on behalf of the Blessed Virgin Mary or the public celebration of the Catholic Mass will be banned. And so we still have this going on. And Jefferson is a bulwark against that, because both in his inaugural and also in Virginia, when he was governor, he pushed through the idea that there will be no religious test for anyone to hold office. Wilson wants to ban, for example, Muslims from holding office. And that runs completely contrary to the very best sentiments and principles of the American Revolution as espoused by Jefferson. And people can say, well, we hate the Muslims. Yeah, right. But as the old saying, you know, the Nazis first came for the Jews and we did nothing. Then they came for the communists and we did nothing. Ultimately, they came for us. So if you're going to allow a government to come for the Muslims, ultimately, they're going to come for you. And that's why Jefferson created that fence. And not enough people know about that. They should read the first inaugural address. They should read his writings to the house of burgesses and uh he remains to me a hero and he certainly was anti-occult he excoriated the talmud and uh it was a very interesting fellow the hidden side of thomas jefferson still really

isn't largely known that's very interesting all right well thank you very much michael hoffman uh check out revisionist history.org and uh i would say what are michael's books i i first time i tried to order twilight language it was like sold out then i got one i got more of them

or something uh i want to thank you my children my boys listened to uh joe rogan and they came to me and they say hey dad this guy kurt metzker uh mentioned your book twilight language on joe rogan so i thank you for that very great yeah yeah i try to get it uh and the address for me to get out because i'm trying to grow my audience of course is michael hoffman.substack.com thank

you okay cool in fact i'll subscribe right now all right well that derp with gerp uh you got you You got derped.