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the morning phone number 844 mojo live the text is 95500 to get in touch with us um so we were having the discussion before the the show about this next topic and um shannon was telling a story about a particular couple guy uh specifically and i'm gonna have you tell the story on the air and then i want to see what listeners feelings are about this a girl that i know introduced me

to her husband recently for the first time i've known her um not well we see each other very infrequently, but over the past couple of years, I've, you know, come into contact with her a couple of times. I've known about her husband. She's obviously shared stories and I follow them on social media and stuff, but I've never actually met him until recently. Met him for the first time. And I mean this when I say this, the nicest, most personable guy in the whole entire world. Just really enjoyed my conversation with him. But the whole time I'm talking to him, I'm going, I think he's gay like I was so confused and yes that is being yes that is being judgy and I know I shouldn't be but I couldn't help but think I feel like he doesn't like her

what was it that made you think that

the stuff that he was talking about the way that he was talking mannerisms just a lot of things really and i was trying not to think about it the whole time that

i was talking to him but were you talking to me i was you know what's funny is uh i was saying to you this morning before the show i was telling you that i know a few couples where the where we're when we know we're our acquaintances and friends and stuff that chelsea and i will go it just feels like interesting like you know what I mean

like one my eyebrow was right

and then here's where the gaydar comes into play because I have the worst I can't figure it out

I will say that too I have the worst gaydar

our gay son will then say you know he's gay and I'm like how do you know he's gay and he's like he can just sense it right away and so that in one particular couple he kind of said that but they're still married to each other you know what I mean Man, some people, they get married, and they ain't always in love. Yeah. So it's a possibility.

It's funny because how old are these guys? I would say late 40s. Okay. Yeah, late 40s, I would say.

I think that you see that in people who are maybe in their 40s or so or 50s, like that generation, only because they're...

wasn't gay marriage like when they were younger and I think that there's a lot of people I think that want to have kids and their families want them to have kids and then I think that when it ends up happening is that they kind of hide a little bit of their you know being gay in the closet you know what I mean and then eventually I think it comes out I really do

I hope it comes out you hope so are they just get tired of hiding or their family has expressed

Which that is so incredibly sad to me But this was just It caught me off guard Because I had heard about him I've seen pictures of him And then when I started talking

I feel like I know a lady with a gay husband But what do you say They not my friends or nothing I just see them out sometimes I'll be like your husband gay I don't know how you don't know You don't say that to her though No I say it in my head Or I say it to the people I'm with Like look at her gay husband do you sorry why i'm laughing i just want people i really just want people to like live their life

and i agree with you like be happy but i know that in some situations that's more difficult than just you know being able to to live their life do the do the wives of guys that eventually

came out do they like say oh yeah i knew all along i just didn't want to say anything to anybody and i was just kind of happy and comfortable um do you think they knew they know all the time or

Some of them in denial, some of them just completely unaware.

I don't know. I don't know how you could know. I think you have to know.

Do you feel like it's harder for a man to, I guess, pretend not to be gay than a woman in a relationship with a guy?

You know what? Honestly, I think that it's got to be tough for both. But I think that women who are gay cover it up sometimes way better than guys. they just happen to be like the more masculine maybe in the relationship or the more domineering

in the relationship sometimes um because we always talk about the guys being gay in the marriage i would love to hear from like a lady who like who's like truly lesbian at the core i actually know

somebody who was married and had kids and then she is now divorced and with a female was she always very very happy i don't know i don't know her well enough to know the answer to that but Did you ever catch her looking at your booty?

No. Did you ever, did you ever? I haven't. Did you ever think that? No, I really didn't.

Was it a surprise to you?

Yeah, it was a surprise. I'm always surprised more by the women.

That's what I'm saying.

Like I'm, it becomes a shocker to me. Esvaldo is on the phone with us right now. Did I say that right? Or do I sound like I'm an idiot for saying it like that?

No, you said it all right. What's going on? You said it all right.

Wait a second. Is this Esvaldo, or is this Michael Jackson? What's going on?

I'm doing all right. How about you guys?

Good. What's up, man? What do you want to say?

Well, first of all, first line, first time, long time. I don't even know what to say. Esvaldo's on the phone. Yeah, I was just on here to say that I agree with Shannon. Like, sometimes there's so many signs that you can't even ignore. Like, you want to ignore him, but, like, man, like, they just make it so hard to not make that impression about them.

Do you have friends that you're talking about, or what are you talking about?

No, I have people that I know that aren't, and people that I've, in the past, that I've, like, made that impression, and then they end up being it.

Okay. Okay. And are they in relationships with, uh, you know, with in heterosexual relationships and they're just kind of going along with it?

Um, well, I, there's this one, um, I won't say names, but particular, um, that I feel is heterosexual, but hasn't said. Yeah. And it's just, like, you can tell, but you can never say it because it's always, like, they're going to say, you know?

Yeah. Are we talking about ourselves, Osvaldo? I don't know. No, no. I'm, like, thinking to myself, he's talking hypothetically, I know somebody, his name is Osvaldo. Right. That's why he ain't care how you say his name. It's made up. Right. I'm thinking to myself, come on. His real name. Come on. By the way, it's a texter 248 says it's called a lavender marriage. I've heard that before. I've heard that term before. Sarah, what's up?

Hey. Hi, people. Hi. Love your show. Aw. We love you, too. Thanks. So we have really close friends who have children that got married, and they were high school sweetheart. and they were together for about 11 years.

in total marriage and uh pre-marriage and they got married they had a hundred thousand plus wedding um and then like three years after no i'm gonna say six it was six years they got divorced because first she came out and uh was lesbian and then a year later he posted on his facebook the gay pride frame, and now they are both in a gay relationship. Wow. See, I like that.

I actually think that that's actually nice. I like they ended up having kids together. I think that that's nice that they do it that way.

They did not have kids together. Oh, they didn't. Okay. They had kids with their significant others outside after. Oh, they had kids. So we definitely think that they were not, I mean, I think that they were trying to deny it.

That's very rare That you would ever see a situation like that Where you see a gay man and a gay woman Get together and marry And then eventually they both come out as being gay I think that's how I do it No, I think it's usually one of them is Shocked by it I've heard both Using each other as That's a lavender marriage

I just looked at the definition It's an agreement that they're both concealing

I like that more than somebody's heart getting broken and then it turns into bitterness and and sadness and i've been

duped you know or lied to uh river what's up river hey first time caller hey river river's on the phone what's happening this is the thing that i had to weigh in on so i am a bisexual individual and we exist and so like it's not saying that obviously it doesn't happen where people get into marriages and realize that, oh, I'm not attracted to this gender, like at all. But also, you could just be picking up on, you know, the gay half of somebody. The gay half.

Everybody's got a half, you're saying.

Well, not everybody, but anybody who says sexuality is a choice, maybe it's a choice for them.

Hey, quick question for you, River, on this. Yeah. I've heard this argument before that it's something where a woman can be bisexual, but a guy cannot be bisexual.

That is scientifically inaccurate. I'm also a psychologist who studies this. So that is absolutely no supporting evidence for that.

So the reason why I've heard that before is because, and I've heard it from my gay guy friends. I have a gay guy friend that always says, once you actually have the act, then you realize that, you know, women are in bisexual relationships. They may, you know, test out or dabble in both. And then the guy, once the guy has it, it's like, no, he's gay. Like, I've heard that from.

Maybe that's just like a societal. well that's that's his belief standpoint but yeah quick quick question quick question for you though

should you say it should you tell the person that your relationship right away because i think that if you get married to somebody if you marry somebody and then all of a sudden halfway through the marriage you go cheat at all no matter if the person's male or female you go cheat at all that's hurtful or you go other things but if you go out and then have like a full undercover type of a life I think that's got to be even more hurtful well cheating is cheating and doesn't

really matter who it's with like nobody should be doing that to anybody that is not okay and I'm wondering why people I mean some people don't figure out that they're attracted to the same sex right away like that because society says it's wrong or whatever like they don't figure it out and so maybe as soon as they figure it out they tell their spouse like hey I'm kind of attracted to these people but I'm still monogamous with you so like I'm not going to cheat or whatever yeah just something to know um but if you're married to somebody i would hope that that was a part of your life if you knew about it you would be willing to share with them like we should be

marrying people we're open with how many times do we ever see a woman who is attracted is gay and attracted to women and then gets married to another woman but leaves the woman for a man does that ever happen or vice versa two gay or two gay men together i've never heard that and they're they're you know happily together and then all of a sudden they cheat with a woman you know like that's got to be very i want to see that that's equal you want to see that i think we need to see that that's probably i want equal opportunity for everybody i want to see that

you know what mojo i think you're right that once that kind of thing starts happening we have reached a level of equality that nobody has assumed to be straight.

great then then people then people will understand it quick question for you do you think because all of us in in this studio call each call ourselves straight do you think that that's all true or do you think any of us are actually maybe bi and we're just hiding it and if so who

do you think is most bi i think that sexuality is a very personal journey so i'm not putting Come on, come on.

If Mojo was an Olympian, he'd be a pole vaulter, I'll tell you that much.

What's wrong with him?

Come on. Have fun with him. That's all of the time. Have fun with him.

Lucky wife. You got a lucky wife, all right?

Do you know how many women in Detroit, Grand Rapids, and Toledo are praying that you would say that Shannon is in the closet as a bisexual woman?

if shannon wants to figure that out about herself she can't do you want to help her

say that courage she starts giggling on that one hey it's ryan seacrest here and if you're

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