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oh joe in the morning as you're waking up this morning we will have the latest on tragedy on campus at michigan state university a shooting last night that has left three dead five in critical condition right now at sparrow hospital and joe you're an msu student who where

were you when this was all going on joe oh hi sorry um i was in class when this happened i was in the abbott building so just just if you know where that's at it's just right at the end of grand river uh like next to the target on grand river so you so you saw the police action quickly going down that street yeah i mean i called one of my friends immediately when i uh when i heard what happened because i i was in class and one of the people logged out and said there was a shooting on campus and that they had to they had to evacuate their building so i was like i didn't i didn't see anything on my uh my timeline on any of the news sources so yeah i immediately called my friend he had no clue what was going on so how did you get the majority of your information because like you i ran so throughout my time i've learned that if you go to twitter and you just go to the latest it's like you can instantly find updates it may not always be credible but you can at least find like instant updates that is mostly factual so that's

how i had to get my information because like you i went directly to the news and they weren't covering it for like 45 minutes. I was just sitting on Twitter trying to see if anybody was talking about it.

And I'm sure for you, because I've heard this from multiple people, the way that they knew something crazy was going on is the, like Spike said, the police sirens. And the immediate call to action that was going on, and you being right there by that target, I mean, you're virtually across the street from everything that's going on at Berkey Hall in the Union.

Yeah, so I'm in the military right now, and about halfway through my time in the military, I got PTSD. So my fighter flight usually kicks in in situations like that, and I get really, really anxious during those times. And now I'm still in the military, but I'm labeled as non-deployable, so I'm in a non-deployable unit now.

So what did you do then? Did you just get as far away from this as possible?

I usually, like, I'm kind of just, like, in my own head. I get really anxious. You know, people around me, I don't really hear people around me. I don't really, like, listen to people around me. I'm kind of devising my own escape plan and trying to do whatever I can to get everybody to safety. Especially when I have no clue what's going on. That's the scariest moment.

And it's an interesting time, too. This is the other thing that we should talk about is when there has been these shootings at schools or even in businesses, it's never at night when it happens.

It makes it even that much more difficult and scary in the situation because it made it harder for them to be able to figure out who it was that was doing this and also to be able to capture, in this case, he ended up killing himself, the person that was the shooter. So at night it makes it worse. And that was the part that I think was, for a lot of people, including first responders, was very difficult that it was taking place at that point. But there's less people on campus at that time that are out and about.

Yeah, but it's still a lively campus. I mean, I've gone to Michigan State four years now, and I'm a senior. It's a lively campus. Even during this time of the year I feel like there's at least enough crowd To make it really hard to distinguish people Amongst each other at night

Well that was the other thing too And you can maybe verify this for us But I understand that when the police All kind of got out and about They were stopping everybody And making everybody go

Yeah, they like locked down everything I mean even all the way down Towards Spartan Stadium They were locking down all the dorms there They were just telling people like stay inside like it was ghost town for a few hours i mean i didn't even leave campus until like 2 a.m uh i got i got back from campus at 2 a.m and now i'm just on the way to work wow buddy i uh

i almost wonder if you should take a day i really do i know that obviously campus is closing down they say just for two days i don't know how they're only doing it for two days but um i just

It's funny that you say that, too, because I actually still have class tonight.

Well, I think classes are canceled on Michigan State's campus.

So I tried to confirm that with my class, and as of right now, and obviously this is still subject to change, but as of right now, our professor for one of my classes still say that since it's an all-virtual class, that it's still possible that it'll be up for the night, but I don't know.

Yeah. Honestly, I would double check that. I don't think you're having class, but Joe, we're thinking of you, man. I know that, uh, that this is, uh, is even tougher for, you know, somebody that, that has the PTSDs and going through the military, but you, uh, you are a brave guy to be getting up and about today because I'd be crawled up in my bed right now.

Yeah. I mean, I gotta do what I gotta do, man. Gotta, gotta get out there.

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