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It's Mojo in the morning. I actually think this is interesting. Kev's been talking about something with us, but I mean, have you talked to everybody on the air? With everybody graduating and seeing the pictures of all these people graduating, it's made you actually rethink going back to school?

Yeah, a little bit, man. And not only that, but seeing my mother on Mother's Day, I took her to the DIA, and when we came out, there was two young ladies who I guess graduated from Wayne State, which is not that far from the DIA, that same moment. So we saw these two young ladies walking by. They got their cap and gowns on, and we greet them, say hello, and then you drive down the street, and I'm one of the guys that beeps the horn once I see a graduate wearing their garb and everything. And I know for a fact, I love my mom. and one of the things my mom has always talked about is wanting to see her children cross the stage and get their college degrees and that wasn't and hasn't been my testimony and for a long time like I don't and I know people believe you know college isn't for everyone and when I was in high school after 10th grade my dream was Juilliard and then some things happened in high school and that dream no longer was the dream and I'm not gonna say she isn't proud of me I don't want to say that, but I know for sure she still wants me to walk across that stage. And if I do it, that would be the only reason that I did it. You want to do it for you? I don't really care about it. Two things I would do. That's a lot of work. Yeah. I mean, so I've gone to college, but I think I have enough credits to consider myself to be like a sophomore. Like somewhere. Where'd you go? I did some time at WCC, WC3, Wayne Community College, and did some time at Wayne State University. so got enough credits for like a late sophomore maybe an early junior and two things two reasons i would do it is for my mom and then for josiah because i'm pushing his ass to college he's smartest you know that he's gonna do that regardless but just to show him and show her um but yeah it's

a real thought i don't think honestly uh you graduating or not graduating is a is a big deal unless it's one of those things that you really want yourself that's what i'm saying i don't think that you do it just for your mom?

There has to be a part of you that wants to check that off your list as well. Because like I said, it is a lot. Like, that's going to be very time-consuming. You're already a busy guy. And if you're just doing it to do it, it's also a lot of money.

Yeah, I don't think it's as hard as people, like, make it seem, though. Like, especially with all... online classes okay i don't think it would be as difficult as maybe it has been in previous years and sure there may be like a very very very small piece of me that wants that moment of walking across the stage and doing it like i think that's more so what college is is to show that you can complete something you can set a goal work your ass off and like make it happen um at least for me but it literally would be for my mom has your mom talked about that recently because i wonder if

Like, you know, Lucy's in fifth grade. College is a long way away. But it's definitely a goal that I have for her right now at this point in her life of, man, I hope she graduates from high school and then goes to college and gets her degree. But now that that time for you has passed in terms of if you were doing it according to the quote unquote timeline, you are an incredibly successful human being. So I wonder if you talk to your mom now and she was like, well, you know, back when you were in school, that was my dream. But now look at you. Well, I made something of yourself and you didn't even need to walk across that stage and get a diploma.

I appreciate the compliment. She hasn't, though, super recently. I would say a couple of years ago, like throughout my life, she's dropped little hints like need to go back and get your degree. Need to go back and get your degree. Like that is something that she's wanting. To your point, since I was in fifth grade, she's preached that my entire life.

What if we did this instead? What if we got a cap and a gown and we pretended that you graduated and got you like a honorary degree somewhere?

His mom is not dumb.

No, but we get like a school or something.

I bet you a school would give you an honorary degree. Don't you have an honorary degree?

I don't. I tried to. I actually, they wanted me to do commercials for Davenport University and I told them I would do it on one condition. I had to get an, because I, like Kevin, do not have a college degree.

I thought your alma mater was going to give, well, the college you went to for a little while.

No, they said that they would give me work experience, but they wanted me to finish classes, but they wanted me to pay for the whole thing. They're like, yeah, they wanted me to pay. But a lot of schools will do that, like if you're working in the field that you were working towards and you've never graduated. But maybe you'd speak at a school and get like one of those honorary degrees.

If I could get an honorary doctorate and get a commencement speech, it would go crazy. or I could just throw the grab party because I know you like to give out checks.

No, this is about your mom. This ain't about you. We're not working for you getting presents out of this deal. This is heartwarming for your mom. Tina, what's going on? Hi.

I think if he wants to go, he should. I'm 36 and I just re-enrolled. I'm pursuing my BSN in nursing. Good for you. Good for you. But he doesn't want to go.

He just wants his... He says his mom wants... He wants to do it for his mom.

Yeah, and I'm the opposite. I started off wanting to do it for myself, but now I'm trying to make my mama proud. So it switches.

Can I be honest with you? I think that it's wonderful that your mom would love to see this happen, but I think your mom should look at everything that you've accomplished, Kevin, without a college degree and go, you know what? There you go. I think that the problem is, did your mom ever graduate from school? Yes. Oh, she did. So she has a college grad. Because I was going to say, a lot of times parents, like Chelsea and I don't have college degrees, but when we saw our kids graduate, we were really proud. Now, looking back on it, it was a waste of money for Joe to go to college. The kid's in radio, for God's sakes. The kid should have honestly gone right into radio day number one like his dad did.

I don't know. So my mom is almost 60, so y'all kind of like are the same generation. And then I think some of it is based on how your family was raised and what was instilled in you and put into your mind. And I think that has always been the conversation for generations. Like, this is what you do. You go to college, get a degree.

When I dropped out of college, I was going to Columbia College in Chicago, and I dropped out three and a half years in. I literally was going in my last semester of college, could have graduated. And I told my dad that I had an offer for a full-time position. And my dad, who was a doctor, said, an immigrant doctor, literally came to the United States to become a doctor. And he told me, he goes, you can't pass up that opportunity. Take it. You can always go back to school. And I've never had the interest in going back.

And or the need.

Yeah. What's up, Fabiana?

Hi. Yes.

Hi.

I just wanted to make a comment. As a college graduate, I think it's worth it. If you want to go back, whether it's for yourself or your mom, I think it's still worth it. I think walking up that stage was like a goal for me and a goal for my parents. It was really good, so I think you should do it.

Okay, well, there you go. Last couple of callers being very encouraging of Kevin going back to school. What's up, Tamika?

Hi, you guys. I love your show so much. I was going to say that. I love you, Pam. And I love Kevin. But I'm a mother. my son would

He went to college on a full-ride football scholarship to Western. Come on, Browns. And, you know, and he was there when they won the MAAC. So it was a big deal, and a lot of them were doing the pro day. That's when Corey gave us, and a lot of them got, like, they went pro. And he could have went to his pro day, and he ended up sitting with me and was like, I don't think that's the route my life is supposed to go. And we had a lot of people in our family, the kind of family I had on both sides. that looked at me like, you didn't push him to do the, bro. He said he didn't want to. That wasn't his dream. Whether I wanted that or not was another thing. And I just wanted to support my son and what he wanted to do. So he now teaches where we live in the city, and he's a teacher, and he's going for his master's to be certified. That's amazing. So that's what he wanted to do, and I supported that.

So it's not what your mom wants you to do. It's what you want to do. and it will make a mom happy.

Yes, I didn't want him to do it for me and he kept saying that. Well, I wanted to do it for you. No, do you want to do it? He said, no, he didn't want to do it for a day. I said, okay. And I left it at that.

Do you ever, though, look back on it and go, that dumb son of a bitch. That kid, he could have bought me a house. Now he's a teacher, you said? What is he, a teacher? Making a teacher's salary? Tamika, let me talk to that kid. I'm going to knock some sense into that kid. Hold on. Nico, are you there, Nico?

Hey, what's up, man?

What's going on?

Nothing. I just wanted to say, Kev, college is a scam, bro. Don't do it. I want to tell you right now, okay, I went to college simply because my dad and my grandpa, my papu, it's what we call him in Greek. We, you know, they wanted me to go, so I just went. and let me tell you, now I'm stuck in debt with a useless film degree. That's why I'm a bus driver.

Well, you majored in film. I majored in film, I mean. Hey, Papoosh this!

Idiot number one. That's why I'm a bus driver. That's why I'm a bus driver. Hey, you know what? Nico, that might be my favorite call of the day. Did you see this story? A Grand Valley senior senior, GVSU senior, graduated and walked across the stage with his mom. This could actually, maybe Kevin could do this when Josiah goes to college. He'd go back to school and dad and mom. But I heard this story and I saw it on the news and I'm going to play it for you. And I got a thought on this whole thing. Think of this. This could be like Kevin doing this.

For college senior Sam Cooper, graduation day was more than a personal milestone. It was a family affair.

I would be graduating in two years, which would be graduating with Sam. So it was, I've been looking forward to it for two years.

In college, you usually graduate with those who've seen you grow over four years. But Sam walked the stage with someone who's been by his side since day one, his mom, Christy.

She'd moved mountains for me and for my success and my educational journey. So it's really cool just to really finish off that journey with my mom.

This wasn't Christy's first time in a cap and gown. In fact, it marked her fourth degree. Sam earned his first bachelor's a moment of mutual pride.

I was choked up for sure, you know, just seeing him like the whole, you know, the week before graduation. And then I hear, you know, the commencement song, the march.

I was like, you know, just teary-eyed, but so, so happy for him. Sam says he's not done learning yet, especially with the bar his mom has set.

I would like to get maybe like a master's or an MBA at some point down the line. Maybe not get four degrees, but I'd definitely like to continue my education at some point.

They studied together, survived cram sessions, and motivated each other through finals. And while most people cook with their mom or watch a movie, Sam, he graduated with his.

Isn't that interesting?

Why are you, I feel like you're going to poo-poo on this story and it's very sweet.

I just have a thought.

What?

But Christy got her fourth degree and had to take the spotlight away from Sam's first degree.

He did not seem to mind.

By graduating in the same graduating class at GVSU with mom. I mean, I see that, but he sounds like he loved it. Who needs four degrees? Huh? What do you need four degrees for, Christy? What are you doing with four degrees? We got to talk to Christy. I think it's a wonderful, heartwarming story for everybody but Sam. Which we need today. But everybody but Sam, poor Sam, this kid, Sam, Sam got nothing out of the deal other than his mom was there at graduation and C-blocking him from party life on Gambas. I'm just kidding. Congratulations to Christy and Sam. What's up, Shayla? What's going on?

Hi, Shayla.

Yeah, let's go on first time in a long time.

Hey, Sam.

What's going on?

But no, college is a scam. I think about this aspect. As a person with human resource background, I look at all these different people that I'm, are staffing for. A lot of the times we're not looking for the degrees or your certificates or your licenses. We're looking for your experience. Yeah. The workforce now in 2025, I bet you right now, they will choose the person that has had 15 years in nonprofit versus a person that has an ethics degree or a human resource degree.

And no work experience. Now, that's an interesting point. I will tell you this. I think the thing that's underrated and we need more of is internships. We've got to bring internships back.

I agree.

I think that's a really important thing to be able to have people get experience. And the only way you get experience is through internship.

And also not crap on the trades. I think that there are so many times that a kid is like, oh, I'd rather go into the trades versus going to college. And parents are like, oh, no. And that is, I mean, that's a smart idea. And there's a lot of money in the trades, too.

I wonder if I could qualify. Somebody text in 231. I wonder if I could qualify for like a Detroit Promise or a Michigan Promise. What's that? I've lived in Detroit my whole life. You know, when you graduate, if you live in-state, you can go to college for free.

Oh.

I wonder if I could qualify for that. That'd be great.

Yeah. That'd be fire. Like U of D or Wayne State or one of these schools here in town. Yeah, that's cool. We should look into that. That'd be great.

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