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All right, it's Mojo in the morning. So I know you probably hate this. When people ask, hey, what's Wes's son deciding to do for college? Or what's he going to do next year?

It is the question that gives me and I know especially Wes so much anxiety right now because my stepson is graduating in June and he has not yet decided for sure what he's going to do and where he's going to go. And Wes and I are both type A individuals like through and through. And so when you compare it to your own experience, like I knew where I was going by Christmas of my senior year, because I can remember Christmas morning, opening up sweatshirts for Butler University. You know, I had already made that decision. Everything was planned out. My summer was planned out. I knew when I was moving in, I knew the whole thing. And Kieran is still evaluating all of his options. He got accepted to a handful of different schools. He got, you know, academic and athletic scholarships for different schools. And then he also threw around the idea of maybe I don't even know, do I want to go to college? Maybe I want to do a trade. And so we're kind of letting him, we've been letting him decide. But at this point on April 24th, everybody's asking. Everybody's, we're already getting the beautiful photos and cards in the mail for graduation parties and celebrating, you know, this person's going to Michigan State and we want to send them off right. and Wes and I are looking at each other going oh my god make a decision it is so hard as a parent

to not have that to not have control over that yeah is is he is he deciding that between a couple

of schools yes what is he okay yep he's trying to decide between a couple of schools okay um and it like every day I feel like it's a a different I didn't.

different school or a different decision or a different path and so it's just like it is the

topic of conversation in our house right now so can i tell you something though i think luke uh decision came right around now or later because he was he was all set on going to um he was going to go to to university of kentucky and because he uh wasn't hearing from michigan state and then all of a sudden he got to hear from the school that he really wanted to go to and then he got it and it kind of changed things up a little bit so maybe maybe is this one of those things where he's kind of like hey i want to kind of wait a little bit just to see or is he still waiting on any schools

uh he's not waiting on any schools but what's happening now is um michigan state was actually one of the schools that he just got accepted to but now what's happening is um drives me nutty but he'll he is figuring out like okay now this school is offering him a scholarship for this much money and then a week will go by and then he's like okay i'm gonna go there and then something also comes through and that is enticing to him yeah so it's just the decision is so up in the air

and we want to plan you know what's the interesting about this whole thing like i look at these kids now and how different you know it was i mean the last i feel like in and now it's starting to get even more competitive again because for a while they're covid they didn't look at any of the test scores for a little bit for a few of the years and i think now they're going i think i read just recently that the university of michigan had the highest number of applicants that they've ever had in their school's history with the highest grade point averages and act scores they had they had

more people with a 36 or higher that that's insanity that's a perfect score a 36 30 36 uh

At least it used to be. No, I think it was a 40, isn't it? Or no, is it 36?

I think ACT is 36. It used to be 36.

So they had more people with that high of a test score than any other year that they've ever had.

There's like one girl this year who got a perfect score on the ACT. Didn't miss a question.

Well, the problem is when you're competing against all that, it's tough to get into school. But then the other thing, too, is there's some kids that I have always said this, and I know a lot of kids do the gap year, and some people look at that weird. i think that your first i think you should do a year of stay close to home do like your

prerequisites kind of get your feet wet a little bit yes could not agree with junior college or

something yes if they made it like if they made it like all right you do this for a year we'll give you more money towards the next three years it would probably be something that i think more people would do but i think i think in it's karen right yeah in karen's uh uh case i think you guys he's cool i think he's chill i think you guys yeah i've never seen wes like this

he is a stressed out anxious mess as a dad and secretly i am too but as stepmom i'm like shut

up shannon as a dad as a dad who's been there before i think it's a lot of stress for them because i think it's a big move man this is like to you know either the you know some of the schools may not be around here like you got to do i move away from family yeah do i stay close to home uh Do I even go to school? I feel like we never even talked to these kids about going to do trades or anything like that.

It's all about to change in the next five to 10 years. Yeah. I'm telling you. I hope. The fact that you got to go four years to do one thing is kind of insane. It's stupid.

The fact that we have to get 60 grand in debt for a minimum wage job is wild.

I feel like these companies, man, when they start figuring out, like say, for example, I'm working in Stanley and I got kids coming out of high school and I'm like, listen, Say, I'm going to give you $100,000 a year to train and come straight to this program, sign a 10-year contract. And you hear, why would I go and be an analyst and go to school for four years and do all this crazy stuff? And I can just go to the company I want to work for anyway.

But the problem is, you mentioned that as your example. How about the kid that could do HVAC or could be a mechanic? And the problem is we made those jobs look like they're not glamorous.

Yep, we made it elitist.

And that you had to have a college education. And a lot of people, like, I didn't graduate from college, so I don't have a college diploma. But when Joe graduated, it was one of the proudest moments that Chelsea and I had. And to sit there and think, I think we made it too much, like, oh, we're excited. I would have rather had, knowing what Joe's doing right now, doing radio, I would have rather had him start at a radio station at that age and do what he was doing. I think it's great that he's got his degree, and I don't know what he'll ever use it for besides, I don't know, like to put a drink on so you don't actually have rings on your coffee table. But I think that it's one of those things where it's like, it doesn't make a difference for that. But I know some people will be upset with me for saying that, but I wish these kids would. Steve Gabar was telling me that it was so difficult for him to try to find mechanics.

Zot Ford that they're paying these guys crazy amounts of money. All of the trades. All of the

trades come out of school with little to zero debt, little to zero debt. And then they're usually unions. So they're making more money than people who have college degrees and they can usually retire earlier, have pension plans. Like it's literally so much better. Yeah. And just,

just so you understand the spectrum of what is happening in my household right now, we have one that we're trying to get him to figure out the rest of his life and we have one where i'm like please like let what can we do about your handwriting so that your first grade like that's where we are in our household every day it is crazy uh cohen is 19 and can give you a perspective

on maybe where your stepson is what's going on cohen yeah so i didn't know what i wanted to do

and so like my junior senior year in high school and I knew it wasn't college um but I don't think kids that don't know what they want to do should just immediately go to college and figure it out along the way because that's just like a lot of money or you know yeah so there's an amazing high

school in uh northwest Ohio it's called Penta Career Center I'm wondering if there's something in the area up here where your sophomore year you do an exploratory program and every couple of weeks you change out the programs and then you can pick from culinary preparation to cosmetology school to vet tech to pre-med to construction. They have all of the trades in this one high school and you can go from your high school to that one and then graduate with your trade certifications. That's cool. Do you have one of those? We have some go lightly. They have an operational restaurant in their high school.

You know what I think that Karen should do? He should do like the LeBron James when he was going to go down to Miami to play for the Heat. He should do a whole thing where he gets the hats, puts them all together of the schools, and then he like surprises everybody and say, I'm going to take my talents too. You know what I mean?

Well, they do that now. All these kids do signing days. And it's this big thing with like the backdrop. Really? And like a shirt. It's because these kids are getting paid in school. And then there's a social media video, but not even, not even that. It's like just for choosing where you're going. It's like a thing.

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What's that? I said the trades are definitely where it's at My son is 24 He's an electrician We have little to no debt As far as schooling goes He just had to work under a Mr. Electrician For four years And then he's got his journeyman What kind of money will he be making

In his first couple years Out of being in the trades

okay well he went to the union and literally he made 125 000 next year oh my gosh and he's

and he's how old 20 years old 19 years old something like that 24 he's 24 how much nice

and no debt how much no dad and no dad literally five thousand dollars worth of schooling debt

total i'm telling you if you're if you're with uh smith smith don't worry about handwriting Let's go right in. No, no, no, no. We need to worry about him right in. We're going to put Smith right in the trades right now. Here's a screwdriver. If I had another kid, you know what I would do? I would never waste money on travel sports. I'd let them play like fun YMCA ball or something like that. And I would get them prepared to learn how to like screw light bulbs in or something or screw in, you know, screws. I would make, that kid would be supporting me when I'm older. I think that we screwed up our kids by saying that everybody needs a college education. And now a college education is like, okay, whatever. What are you going to do with it? I don't know. Sarah, what's up?

Hey, guys. So I've been kind of waiting for like a topic like this to be discussed. So I actually went to a community college, got my agendas out of the way and everything. I took a gap year and a half to explore like what I more wanted to do and everything. it's so much pressure like going into four years and just like not really knowing what you want and it's a waste of money um but now actually this sunday i'm graduating with my bachelors

so congrats awesome that's awesome good for you huge congratulations to you where did you go to

school, Sarah, where'd you end up?

Eastern,

michigan university for recreational therapy go uh what is your name what is your name eagles go

eagles go eagles yeah that's great i'm like i push for like i think it's great to take like a gap year or whatever it is and everything and i feel like it shows that you do have motivation to go back when you you know take that step i've explored so many different routes and everything and I did not know what recreational therapy was before I found it. So I 100% love it.

That's great. Congratulations to you. What, without brying too much, where proximity-wise? Is it some schools far away that Karrasim are?

Well, I mean, as far away as Alabama, as close as, I think maybe Michigan State might be the closest.

Can I tell you that if I was a kid nowadays, if I was a kid nowadays, I would go to Ole Miss where the hot girl was that was fooling around with her dad.

Okay, that was not true.

But every time they show them SEC schools and they show them football stadiums, they put it right on the right piece.

I know. Like, you know, what's funny is I wonder how many times people choose a school based on like college football season or choose a school based on the NCAA March Madness brackets or something like that.

I feel like Arizona State, when they used to say that was the biggest party school, like when I was in high school and stuff, that's the only reason I thought about going there. Story about Arizona State and the Dirty.

You're going to get $200,000 in debt for that education.

I know. You're paying for the experience. But you know what's funny, Megan? When Luke was looking at schools, those schools were offering more money to get Midwest kids

than our schools. It's actually cheaper for him to go to Alabama than to go anywhere in state. Why? That's how much money they are shelling out in scholarship money, both athletic and academic, to get kids from out of state to go there. Yes. Why? I don't get it.

Because you want to have a well-rounded, well-versed school that has alumni all over the place.

Why?

Because it's important for the future. Like the school, they bring money in that way. Can I tell you something interesting? They, in North Carolina, we went and visited down in North Carolina, one of our friends. And the kid was going to school in University of North Carolina. They make it that you have to accept 70% of the population of the school's admissions has to be in state. I think school I think Michigan schools need to do that yeah and Ohio schools too yeah you need to take in-state first before you start taking out of state or out of country I agree with that and I think that they don't like to do that because they want to be you know like we just talked about well-versed all over but also a lot of times it's more prestigious or smarter kids are coming from other places I'm sorry we're paying the taxes for them they should be the ones going to the school

I'm sorry I'm so nerdy I love discussions like this and I have never googled stuff like this i'm kind of surprised i thought like i just googled it right osu in-state versus out-of-state population 70 percent of them are in-state students is that not the case in michigan

i don't not at university of michigan google it real quick university of michigan university of michigan is tough to get into if you're a local kid i know that i've heard that it's one of the

hardest schools like worse than harvard to try to get into uh you get it you get into central It's about 50-50 at U of M. 50-50 is ridiculous. That's crazy. OSU is 70 versus 50. That's crazy.

I'm going to run for governor. I'm announcing my candidacy after I have shoulder surgery. That's going to be my at-university. Who knows?

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