where and it was so accidental how it happened i had to discipline loose in front of everybody so we're sitting in this little teeny teeny tiny very warm cabin that smelled like reptiles because that's what they were doing was learning about reptiles and like passing these snakes and lizards and turtles and things around in a circle and the the camp counselor dean who i just mentioned who was in charge of us kept telling the kids you have to talk with quiet voices because the animals get really scared. Obviously, they're used to being handled by kids, but they still get really scared. And the kids were excited, and this was like right before dinner, and so everybody was like bouncing off the wall, and they were being so loud. And they had been asked several times to be quiet, be quiet, be quiet, some of the other parents. And finally, I was like, you guys, we need to listen to Dean and be quiet. And Lucy looked at me, and she goes, geez, Mom, you don't have to be such a Karen. And my immediate Knee jerk response Was to say to her very tersely Lucy Grace And everybody got really quiet