Kev brings up a really good point. So Wes and his ex-wife were getting into the story reminiscing. So they were kind of like, oh, yeah, I remember that. Oh, my gosh. And you're sitting there as the outsider looking at it going, wow, wait a second. Now I wish I didn't like the exes. You know what I mean? I wish it was contentious. And what's going on here right now? That's interesting. Okay, and now I get it. Because before I'm thinking to myself, well, yeah, obviously, they are going to talk, especially when they're recalling Wes's daughter growing up over the years.