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Mojo in the morning show as a kid, one of the greatest moments I think I ever had was when my brother's sisters or my dad or mom would drop me off at the Orland Square Mall where I grew up in Chicago, just outside Chicago. And I would go hang out with my friends and we would run around the mall. We would go to the food court. We do the whole day like a mall there. And this was back when they had pay phones. and we could never call our parents to pick us up because we didn't have cell phones. So we would call collect, and it would be, you have a collect call from, Dad, pick me up. And it would be, that would know how he was supposed to pick up. But I think, I don't remember how old I was. That's what I was going to ask you. How old is Lucy?

So Lucy is 10 and a half. The half, very important always. And I just don't know what to do here. I know what I, my gut is telling me to do, but she was asking me last night if I could drop her off at the mall tomorrow with some friends to walk around. And she said, I could come to the mall too. I could stay at the mall, but the girls wanted to walk around by themselves. And I said, no way, because I, I'm just a crazy person about that kind of stuff. I mean, you guys know this was the first summer I let her go to the dang park by herself. And I know I feel like I'm being overprotective, but I also feel like it's the mall. There are some interesting, tricky people at the mall. And I also know that they're not going to stay in a group. There's like five or six of them that are going to that want to go. And I know what will happen is like Lucy and one of her other girlfriends will break off and want to go to Altered State or Sephora. And then, like, they're not all going to stick together. But she said that all of the other girls' moms let them do this.

Oh, doesn't she hate that?

And that I am so not cool because I said no. And I just said, I just don't feel comfortable. Like, you're only in fifth grade. So, I don't know.

You would still be at the mall.

I would still be at the mall.

And you would be going to do your normal thing. So, if anything happened, you're able to.

But if anything happened.

It's too late at that point.

They're already in a car being taken somewhere else. I know that I think crazy. I say no, bro. If anything ever happened to her, I would never, ever forgive myself.

I don't think you think crazy because that stuff does happen. It's not like you've made up a scenario that doesn't happen to families across the world all of the time. It just, to me, then becomes a question. And I don't have the answer. I'm not going to pretend like I have the answer. I'm not a parent. One of the benefits of this is that I don't have to worry about stuff like this. But how often does it happen is something we have to factor in. And then at what age do you let them go? Because if you never let them go out and be independent. 100%. So there has to be.

There used to be a time, but when is it?

Tend me in. NFA. My babysitter's daughter was just at this same mall that the girls want to go to tomorrow and was followed for two hours before security finally stepped in and did something about it. And this was very recent.

How old is the babysitter?

26. Wow.

Hold on. Jen wants to say something about this. What do you say, Jen?

Good morning, you guys. I just want to say it's cool that she's letting Shannon go to the mall with them and just kind of be there just in case. But it also depends on which mall they're going to, like if it's Somerset Mall or Great Lakes Crossing.

Does it really depend, though? Because I've heard that some of the malls in the area that some people consider the nicer malls have had some issues when it comes to trafficking. I've seen stories before in the news. And I know you're –

I guess that's a fair point, yeah.

But does it also depend, like she is in fifth grade. So I remember as a middle schooler, I was doing this.

Yeah.

But are you still, though, even a year or two years older, are you still old enough, or is nowadays just not the same like it was?

Look, for me, with Luce, it's a flat-out no. I don't care who mama said what. Now, if I were to allow my child to go, I would be there, and I wouldn't be in the food court across on the other side. I would be following their little asses.

i would keep a safe distance that's what i said yeah i keep a super yeah exactly i think that's

the only way to do it i don't remember my first mall experience but i think i was around 13 or 14 when i used to get dropped off at the movies with my friends i used to go to fairlane because it was the movies right there next to the mall yeah and i think that was like let's go pick up girls but it's a different world right now man what's up alex hi hi i just wanted to make a

comment um my daughter is giving me the same problem she's in middle school and i always tell her i don't care what your friend's parents say i'm not their mom i'm your mom oh yeah and i'm going to do what i think is best for you and i would never let her do that either and she's older

than lucy so all well not all of my friends but a couple of my friends are telling me and everybody listening who is in this situation that we need to read the book the anxious generation which actually i just started and i i haven't gotten to this part yet but um and the whole the whole premise of that book is we need to loosen the leash a little bit really um i just at 10 years

old though the guts of the mall i don't know because at 10 years old i was on my bike all day with no cell phone and no nothing driving around or riding around the city and getting ice cream and meeting up at the centennial quarry to go swimming like i know is that book saying that

We've ruined our kids because I've heard a lot of bosses saying that a lot of the kids that were helicoptered so much can't even do things functionally by themselves now as adults because they didn't get a chance.

I hate the helicopter word. I get it.

Overprotective?

Yeah, but to me, this is...

Smothered?

Jesus, Lord above. I just feel like I'm being a mom. Yeah, I still think she's young. Middle school? Yeah. I'd probably think about it, but fifth grade, can I know? I don't know.

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Good morning, everybody.

Morning.

Morning. Good morning. So I have a 13-year-old daughter, and I refuse to allow her to go to the mall by herself. It's not that I don't trust her. I don't trust the creeps out here. And it's the holiday times, too. It's so much that could go wrong. I just don't trust other people. now with you being in the mall with her i would keep a close trail if that's the route you decide to go but i wouldn't do it and it's not about not trusting my baby it's the people yeah do you think

do you think though that are the people any different than the people were when we were younger or is it we watch too much dateline nbc or something more though they're snatching people

out of walmart these days yeah but they were doing that in the 70s and the 60s they were We're snatching people in parking lots and malls.

I think a lot of stuff is that we're more aware of what's taking place. When we were younger and we didn't have cell phones, we didn't have 24-hour television, some people didn't even have television to know what's going on. Now that you're more aware, when you have information, you don't ignore it.

But sometimes we're hyper-aware and then we fear something that is not common and we perceive it to be more common than it actually is. And I think that's what this book is.

I don't think this situation falls in that bucket, though.

And I know we're talking about kids and I know we're talking about safety and I think that makes it very difficult but it's it's very hard to be like yes there are children that are kidnapped but now no children can ever experience any sort of freedom because some children get kidnapped and i i see that point and that's why i'm saying i don't know what to do in this

situation because i feel like a crazy person all

the time i get it and i get yours i get what you're saying and it's the same like the question i wanted to ask you before we went to that call was what happens and again i'm not pretending like i know what the right choice is here but like what happens when your kids stop getting invited to hang out with your friend group and now you're affecting theirs and i'm not saying well just because they might not get invited to the next thing you should let your kids jump off a bridge like that's not it either but where's the balance look though i wish we could cuss because

I don't give a fluff what's going on outside the house. As long as my child's safe, I don't give a damn about these little parties he ain't getting invited to. It'd be all right. How many people you still talk to from middle school? It ain't important.

Well, the other thing, too, is that the kids are that mean to not invite you just because your mom's protected.

But if you're not allowed to do anything with the friend group, they'll just stop asking now because they hate you, but the answer's going to be no, so why would I invite you?

But at least your kid's safe, then. I would rather have my kids not have any friends live with me forever.

But I don't think that's healthy either to not have a social life.

We're just talking about the mall, though. We ain't talking about life.

Hold on. Hold on. Is this really your name or are you setting me up for like a D's nuts type joke? No. Is your name Dunya?

It's Dunya.

Dunya. All right. Dunya. What's going on? How you doing?

Good. How are you?

Good.

Shannon, first off, I'm the opposite of the book. Parents need to parent. Absolutely not. Fifth grade is too young. I work at the mall. I see what goes on on a daily. I'm 44 years old and I get hit on by the creepiest looking men that you've ever seen in your life. Do not send your daughter to the mall with her friends. I promise you she'll live to tell about it. Parent and don't be afraid to parent. She's too young.

So when you say you work at the mall, what do you see there that would be something that would not be something good for Lucy?

Kids getting themselves into trouble by stealing, just doing dumb stuff throughout the mall. Yes, I'm sure it's innocent. the girls just want to go and shop but you know what unfortunately there are people out there that do not have the best intentions for your children or mine and mind you i have teenagers that are in college high school and an eight-year-old so i've seen it all throughout the years okay not be afraid to tell your daughter no she will live to tell about it all right it's way too young because

remember i'm already not cool because she doesn't have yeah you know what you need to do you know

what add it to the list well that's the other thing too she doesn't have a phone i think that

She doesn't have to watch.

Yeah, but that still worries me. You know what I mean?

I promise you, if she hates you right now, you're a good mom. You're doing your job. She will love you later. But she doesn't hate me.

It's just this.

I'm not cool. Whenever she's upset with you, she'll be fine. There's nothing good out there that she needs to be doing in fifth grade at the mall. You need to, at the very least, at least be there with her. At the very least.

Thank you for the call. Appreciate you.

No problem.

All right.

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