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What is she doing to you? She's doing nothing to you You're the one doing it

I'm not talking to you I'm talking to her

Well I don't like how you're talking to her And I don't like how you're I like how you're talking to Elise

I don't give a shit How you think I'm talking to my own fiance This is between her and I

at least has he contacted you has he talked to you no not yet has anybody contacted you or have you been in contact with any family members no all right we we have on the phone with us your sister so she's going to talk to you off the air we we did call her because i want you to be able to have somebody that that's there for you okay all right i want you to thank you i want you to stay right here we're gonna we'll uh connect you guys together and we'll talk to you in a second okay where the roses a fiance finds out that her husband or sorry his future husband is cheating she was suspicious because he kept turning off the location services and then he just goes off nikita it's mojo in the morning show hello

hi good morning um that man is a monster and a manipulator and she's the one the way he

flipped it on her is scary i'm a little worried because of her kind of giving us a little bit more of a i don't think he's in you know ever been like this you know this has never happened before he's okay.

Oh, he's definitely behind him there. He was going to show her his true colors once they got married.

It makes me wonder, though, sometimes when these people are like that, I think they've been that way, and you just kind of looked past some of that. Absolutely.

And he's definitely possessive. I feel like he's the type of person that doesn't want her to be with anybody else, but he could be with whoever he wants to be with. Yep.

Yeah, it's craziness. It's interesting you say something, potentially that was looked past. Because I feel like oftentimes when it comes to relationships, what you ignore ultimately becomes what kills the relationship.

Oh yeah, it becomes the, it's like the cancer of the relationship, right? Or brings it down. What's up, Jamie?

Hey guys, my heart is hurting for her. How does this man act like that when he's the one cheating?

Yeah, he threw it back on her.

It doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, like my heart hurts for her. He should not, oh, I cannot with this man.

man child. It's like all of the words. I'm thinking all of the cliche words. Man child. Gaslighting. Narcissist. All of it. Sociopath. Like he is all of those things. My heart is hurting for her. Yeah.

He's the one cheating but yet he's turning it on her like he's the victim. Like my guy. No.

Knock it off. Thank you for the

call. Sydney actually wants to bring up one section of that War of the Roses that he said. And what was that Sydney?

When he said what are you doing to our relationship it just kind of like set me over the edge like it just goes to show that he's there to manipulate her and how he's feeling like he's trying to blame

her for everything yeah bro i'm literally i literally just google manipulator and it has this guy's picture next to him bro like that's the fact she just said that like you can't whenever you can't take accountability for your action and you consistently point the finger at somebody else like that is the definition of manipulating yeah she hit her right on the head thank you sydney

run away from him as fast as she can uh mojo in the morning hi tiffany hey how you doing good you

actually lived through this huh yes i did 15 years of it wow 15 years together or 15 years marriage

15 years together five years marriage two children wow and what was it that he was doing Anything. Anything and anything you could possibly think of he was doing behind my back. And I always had suspicions. People told me I was stupid. You need to go. You need to leave. Oh, no, like, I can fix it. I can fix it. I can. No, you can't. A person like that is a narcissistic manipulator, and they will never. And she needs to run as fast as she can.

What was the wake-up call for you that got you?

Um, when I witnessed one of my children imitating him, uh, snorting pills. Oh, my gosh. I was always told he was never doing it around our children, never doing it around our children. My 18-month-old imitated him crushing up a pill to snort it, and I was like, nope, that's it, I'm done. Holy God. I called him, and we moved out that day, honestly. I called my parents. I said I needed somewhere to go. I called him. I said I want a divorce, and I moved out with my children that day.

How are the kids doing?

They're great now. My oldest is 18, and he leaves on the 27th of this month for basic training for the Marines.

Oh, that's awesome. What a superstar. Well, we're thanking him for his service, and what an imam you are, putting your kids first. Thank you for the call.

Thank you. Have a great day.

Amy also, you had an ex, Amy, that was like this?

Oh, yes. Yes. We're actually going through a divorce right now.

Really? And would he use the same thing, like blaming it on you or telling you that you were the problem?

Yes. He is very manipulative and abusive, and we've been together for 24 years.

Was it the location thing that got him caught, or what tipped you off that something else was going on?

when we first got together um he would do the same thing he he basically would um like tell me lies and i would catch him in lies and then he would gaslight me and make me think i was crazy and then it started to escalate from there where he would get caught in lies or he would get caught doing something he wasn't supposed to and then he would get very angry like that guy and it just triggered me this morning when i was driving to work i was like wow that she needs to get away from him. And then I had, you know, two small children when I first met him. And then we had a baby together and I was stuck basically. So it took me 24 years and I just filed for divorce two weeks ago. Man, how did he react to that? It was bad. He actually went to jail. He resisted arrest When he got served the papers, everything, I mean, last Saturday, was the most eye-opener for me in this 24-year marriage. And she's definitely in an abusive situation, and she needs to get out now.

Man. Well, please stay safe and don't ever put yourself in a situation where he's allowed to be with you without people there to help you, okay?

I have a team around me believe me this is a blessing

for me so good luck

thank you thank you so much bye bye

appreciate it Natalie what's up it's Mojo in the Morning War of the Roses this morning by the way the podcast is up if you missed it I suggest you go listen to it I mean you can always come back and listen to even this segment if you're listening to us live but you can hear

This guy, from the moment that he picked up the phone and the way he talked to Shannon, you can tell that this guy's got some problems. What did you want to say, Natalie?

Yeah. Good morning, Mojo.

Morning.

You know, just based off of even what the last caller said, like, this is, like, clear tactics of a gaslighter, classic narcissism, classic manipulation. it ultimately leads to you know the person on the other end receiving it to question their reality question their decision making feel as though they can't do something or can't make a decision without the input of their partner which leads to like a codependency which is what he wants right like he wants her to question her sense of self and understanding because even when she was following her gut he was like this isn't happening because of me this is happening because you set me up right like shifting the blame to her completely and honestly like as painful as this is for at least i'm really really glad that this is coming out now you know what i mean because just like this last caller said it can take decades for somebody to get their grips released from their abuser and it just it really bothered me this morning like i don't talk to you guys often i've called on and off through the years but this one really really riled me up like i want her to go now she needs to go go home get your stuff go you know yeah i we're we're having her talk with her

sister and we're hoping that her sister and some family there will help her with this

yeah and also like just so that you guys know there is so many resources in wayne county for domestic violence for mental health like just for all of those things in general look into what our area provides look into open county clinton area you know because we're on grand

rapids and toledo and across the world too there's there's definitely stuff out there and we'll get anybody who needs any help, you call us and I know that we will put you in the right direction no matter where you listen

to us. Absolutely.

Thank you. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. All right. War of the Roses.

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