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into another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven. That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, a little reminder, patreon.com forward slash Nephilim Death Squad is a great place to be. If you want to support the show, you'll get early access to episodes, ad-free listening experiences, access to communities of dangerous retards on Twitter, on Discord, and on Telegram. And you'll also have access to that weekly Bible study takes place every Wednesday. I actually just missed the last one but the the guys over in the community uh and gals they're all pulling together and they're going through scripture and it's really fantastic also discount codes off of merchandise from toplobsta.com where you're going to get access to not only all of the merch that toplobsta himself designs but you're also going to find tickets to brohemian grove that is on we're going to get that on the thing eventually it's going to happen i swear uh that's on august 8th in wildwood florida and uh it's a seven hour day it's going to be filled with a lot of your favorite content creators all the friends of the show who have been on uh throughout the show's history ed mabry dr heather lynn hidden in plain sight cheney paranoid american donut brian of demon erasers i think jt follows jc is also going to be there the guys from skiba news network laura baker the list goes on and on and on go and get your tickets for the general admission day august 8th there and come be a part of the fun. Joining us today is Leo Zagami. And this is going to be a really fun conversation. Leo's research is, I mean, it's kind of at the core of our favorite stuff here on Nephilim Death Squad. But before we get into that, Leo, let's talk about where people can find you and what it is that you focus on. Well, they can find me on leozagami.com

with all my latest articles as i'm an investigative journalist as well as an author and like you said i focus on topics that are very familiar to you i actually started 20 years ago in 2006 with my confession of confessions of an illuminati first on the internet and then later in a series of books that were published all over the world starting in japan and like i said they focus on my own experience not only on my research because up until that year i was within the fold of what you commonly refer to as the illuminati and then after i exposed my prior friendship and collaboration with these people, because I arrived to a point of realization in 2006 that there was no way of reforming things from within. I tried, though, even later when I went back to Italy, but then I was eventually forced to flee the country in 2019 and to relocate here in California. Incredible. What a roller coaster you've

described there, Leo. I mean, there's so much that I want to get into with you as it pertains to your research especially we talked a little bit before the show started of course you know the alien disclosure and what a fascinating time it is to be alive and to be bearing witness to this thing as it unfolds but i have to just i got to hear at least a little bit i'm sure it's something you've discussed a lot but this idea of previously having been in the folds of what people were commonly referring to as the the illuminati um i mean i you know i i don't know where to start on that i think one of the first questions that popped up in my mind was generally

we'll hear a lot of like people are in freemasonry yes but when you say you're in the illuminati and you're also in italy living in rome at the time is this like the belly of the beast what exactly

are we talking about well we're talking about a country that as you know has a very conflictual relation with freemasonry due to the p2 lodge scandal i was part of the p2 lodge in monte carlo where in 1999 we founded our own branch of the Illuminati called the Ordo Illuminatorum Universalis, and soon after another branch was built and established by the former Grand Master of Luminso and Giuliano Di Bernardo in Rome, known as the Academy of the Illuminati. I can say that this is real because these are real people. When I do my books, I focus on the facts rather than the speculations, So I give photos, documents, and what I try to debunk is that idea that, you know, the Illuminati is simply a myth or a legend. Of course, the Illuminati, as Adam Bishop created in its original format, didn't last that long. But then there was a series of influenced secret societies that sprang up from that idea that Freemasonry could be met with something different, different something that could actually influence even more the geopolitical scenario and that's why from that point onwards you have a lot of also political secret societies you see secret societies can have different aims and in my confessions of an illuminati series which i completed the last year after many years with volume 12 i went directly to the apex of this pyramid there where you have the so-called all-seeing eye of the situation and that's where the Jesuits reside together with the Sabbatean Frankists who then influence everything that goes under this pyramid which includes think tanks, branches of Freemasonry branches of various secret societies because Freemasonry is of course not a secret society you have the symbol on every town you go here in the United States but the kind of Freemasonry that you have here is very different from what we have back in Europe. Back in Europe is connected to the aristocracy, to the royal families. It's a completely different ballgame because it's also connected to the knighthoods, which are also connected in turn to the church. And my experience with the Illuminati started in 1993 when I got inducted into this reality by a family friend, Prince Aliata di Monte Reale, who was also a Freemason because most Illuminati are also Freemasons. However, then there is a big difference between real Illuminati and all these fake Nigerian scams that you find online in the last few years. I mean, they even took my name and they even threatened my own publisher when I published my first book here in America, saying, we're going to publish it in Nigeria. Now, you want $300 or we're going to publish it without the authorization?

dollars okay so so that is really the mentality but um for my own experience of course it was once i started to reveal things very difficult because i was based in norway 2006 soon after i started my website which was closed down and then i had to move to another website the intelligence services threatened me up until the point of being arrested for espionage in 2008 so it wasn't a joke i mean i ended up with an accusation of espionage all my assets frozen for two years i had to i was forced to go back to italy and because at the time had been betrayed my by my then first wife who of course preferred to you know go with the with the money

the power rather than staying with somebody who was opposing the system. However, with my current wife, we went to Japan, I signed my first book deal, which then led to a series of book deals around the world. It wasn't easy though, especially in Italy, when I started to publish my books, the Vatican immediately sent a secret service to offer me to desist from my intention, but I went on, I carried on. So anyway, in the end, like I said, I had to eventually flee Italy, And nowadays I'm a naturalized American citizen.

Let me ask you, Leo, do you think that the timing of all of this happening to you and your ability to speak on it, it sounds to me like something that would not have been possible even if this whole timeline was pushed back by 10 years. It seems like we're in an era right now where a lot of things that were previously coveted secrets are being allowed. And maybe it's not so much that they're being allowed, maybe with the development of the Internet. of course it's very different now

when I started 20 years ago it wasn't very different like I said, imagine when I started my first blog after two months I had actually the PST, the Norwegian FBI coming to my door isolating me and my then wife and then threatening me to take the kids I mean it wasn't a joke when I started this there was a series of threats I was arrested, I was tortured in Italy they broke down from my door My present wife was interrogated with the lights pointed at her more than once like a criminal. So, I mean, it's like things have changed now, of course, where we are in a different era in 2026. But it's also true that people like me who have been doing this for 20 years and 20 years ago, there was not many people talking about these issues. have noticed that with the over popularization of certain subjects comes also the superficiality and also the tendency from people to not take these matters very seriously, which is not really a good thing. So I continue with my books, which become then a depository of real knowledge regarding these matters rather than simply spreading them through the internet, because the attention span on the internet is limited. However, we know that the rich want people not to read any longer. While they, in Silicon Valley, you know, threaten their kids with going on the internet or they even don't give a mobile phone until they are 14 to their own children and they sell them to the world of school for a specific kind of education. We have instead the majority of the population being dumbed down by the eye which is encouraged even at the university level so the the level of stupidity and superficiality is growing amongst the new generations and this is very frightening so i always advise people to choose a book rather than to choose the superficiality of simply accepting my book presentation or an article as the final result because when i went into this you know making this book and i spent of course years of research and then six months for laying the whole thing out i did it with the help of the kuhn which is the italian centrophological nazionale and roberto pinotti who is one of the most eminent ufologists in the planet who was also even invited in washington and in front of congress so i mean he's a guy who has a lot of previous you know also experiences even direct experiences with these beings but at the same time he's a serious researcher in fact last year he was special guest in the soul foundation which is now this new organization that the caa has created to prepare for disclosure

and post-disclosure there is people like gary nolan people like pete sketchfish people like professor pazurka these people are all gatekeepers and so my book is actually about explaining how david grush is a gatekeeper how louis salison is a gatekeeper and who are their handlers and how the

whole thing is handled by the jesuits this has been a huge issue uh for us because we've been watching the development of this and and we've received quite a bit of uh criticism for our resistance to sort of the lou elizandos of it all right um i look at these people as whether or not they're gatekeepers i'd be interested in talking about that but at the very least these are people who may be um if i was being gracious unwitting um foolish pawns in this entire thing they're facilitating uh a government back they're not foolish ponds because louis elizabeth is not

a foolish pond he's a very calculated guy he's a military you know he's gray fox he's a guy who knows what exactly what he's doing i'm a former

military so i'm a former air force guy from the italian airport so i can tell you that these people are not just there speaking about things in a free way they are very calibrated erizondo has admitted that he has security clearance every time he opens his mouth just as david grush so we're not talking about people like from the grassroots ufologic movement of the 70s or 80s that by the way we discover in the end we're all infiltrated because there is no grassroots movement in this field there is always been a interest by the authorities to control the

narrative so i i would agree with that we we kind of just skirt around it because we had some uh we just had some like run-ins with these people and kind of thought that they were full of shit And it ends up to the point where we just go, okay, hey, you know what? Maybe you don't. But I have my own personal beliefs.

You know, I think that it's not the problem if they're foolish or not. It's that they are giving you truth in droplets, in little portions. They are, of course, limited in what they can say. I'm not saying also that their intentions are necessarily evil because if you are, you know, connected to a national security clearance of an upper level you have to simply do your job but having said that there is this hunger for truth that i noticed this year i didn't go to contact in the desert which takes place here in palm springs but i didn't know deliberately because i was exposing these people in my book and i didn't see myself current in going there and face them so i said to my previous publisher who was there don't bother the thing is when I see people like Jacques Vallée, people like Jeremy Corbett, people like George Knapp, these people have had some you know, level of compromise in order to achieve their position, like Jacques Vallée is viewed like the ultimate you know, ufologist, alternative figure that has been there for a long, guys he is the bigger investor in startups, the guy is a billionaire almost, the guy has made money on reverse engineering all the way the reverse engineering of the legacy program is actually bringing him cash in his pocket so it's obvious that these people can only tell you certain things and they obviously eclipse on others and that's why this book wants to ultimately bring you the real puppet master of it all which is the the vatican jesuit astronomers who have been there for hundreds of years leading this sector the ones who actually brought astronomy to the Chinese, the ones who have created the first observatory almost 500 years ago with the first Collegium Romanum in Rome back in the days and that now are directing one of the biggest observatories in Mount Graham in Arizona. So this is the reality, it's not the speculation. So when I go into this book and I expose these people like Al Putov, Al Putov, the guy from the stargate program who everybody's like revering when he's on the age of disclosure the guy's the biggest come back and you know he's classifying reality he's limiting our access to reality and so i don't have any good words for these people they are on my black list not even

on a gray list so let's talk about that because the the age of disclosure was something i had a huge problem with it was a lot of the same regurgitated things that people in this field of research have been familiarized with for a long time and so in that way it looked as if it was preparing the public with government approved talking points you know to say i'm a naval official i've been here for 30 years i've seen these things i'm an air force you know all this if you think

about it all this came from the 1990s where we started to have this kind of whistleblowers from the academic and military field popping up as the voices of reason in this whole topic yeah yeah so

So trust the experts, right? That's exactly what it is.

Trust the experts and trust science. It sounds a little bit like the pandemic.

That is exactly what we, the impression that we got watching the documentary. But my main concern, like propaganda slop.

They say one thing on that document, which is a real thing that I, one of the few things I completely agree with. At one point, they admit that the Vatican knows it all. And that is one of the rare, honest, I think, admissions that was done by a former CIA agent in the documentary, because the rest of it might be garbage and, of course, typical, you know, whistleblower scenario with a few politicians mixed in and the whole thing, you know, trying to admit things, but in a very veiled way without really showing anything. But when you have the legacy program and you have people...

of course like Grouch, Farah and the age of disclosure they are completely in with you know with the narrative so you can't really blame them if they're doing simply their job but I have you have to build like you are doing with your show a you know critical thinking and so when the age of disclosure says that specific phrase the Vatican has irrefutable evidence that non-human intelligence exists, which is stated by the former CA operative whistleblower, John Criaco, I think. Well, it's that moment that makes us understand who really knows it all. And they tell you, but then they move on. You know, it's like, okay, yes, the Vatican knows it all. Let's go to the next subject.

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right at all so the vatican knows it all okay i'm gonna tell you what the vatican knows and

what has been knowing for the last two thousand years so throughout all of this you know soft disclosure i mean i guess it's pretty aggressive at this point we hear quite a bit about technology it's still soft but i mean we're ramping up it's more aggressive than it previously has been

but but then that aggressive mixed up with the psyop that is never ending and with people like Javi Loeb being nominated as the new head of the US Government Resolve, the UAP Mystery Advisory Council, the science. But I mean, Loeb is another gatekeeper. The guy was recruited when he was only 18 years old in the Israeli Defense Forces Elite Talpia program. The guy is an asset of the Israeli intelligence. And you put an asset of the Israeli intelligence heading something that is supposed to be from the united states for the united states yeah so let me let me ask you something i don't

and i want to step on you david no go ahead where exactly is the psyop because we cover this it's i mean it's just almost every day at least every week they're doing more ufo disclosure you have rep luna coming out saying this and that i would love to know about his thoughts on rep luna by the way yeah she's an interesting character another guy matt gates is saying there's an alien breeding program it's like okay cool we have the epstein files what i i address all these

things in my book by the way everything you have this discussed so okay well well perfect i have

to read the book but if you can give us a brief breakdown in your opinion what is the specific sci-up because it's laced with truth i think that's a lot of these things are true but there is a lie that they want us to believe because they want us to move in a certain direction

Okay, first of all, the first lie. 79, 80 years of cover-up. In reality, that is already a lie, because the cover-up starts from 1933 in northern Italy, between the towns of Magento and Vergiate, with the first UFO recovery, the direction that was given by Mussolini to Guillermo Marconi, the actual retrieval UFO that was eventually given to the U.S. authorities by the Pope Pius XII intervention with Marconi, And then just after the war, when they, of course, lose the war, Hitler and Mussolini could have actually changed the course of the war with that first reverse engineering that produced the very early death ray that Marconi had invented. So that is already, you know, a hint that they are not really giving you the whole. then there is always this you know of course they publish lights orbs this and that but they're not telling you about their events engineering program about the bodies they have the experiments you know when they actually admit that they have these beings in a lab interacting and starting to learn our language and we learn their language what kind of psychic powers they have at times superiors to us there is different races of course there is demonic there is the angelic so

it goes beyond the whole Nephilim thing that's for sure, but there is also the Nephilim thing, then you know the Nephilim thing in itself it's theologically something that the Orthodox interpret in one way the Evangelicals in another, the Catholic traditionalists, the Catholic progressive in another then you have the Orthodox Russian it becomes then a competing of people who are making presumptions, because nobody really knows the truth if they haven't experience it so it's like yes i think the angels have the possibility of meeting with women because they have a sexuality then the other big priest with the beard comes and says no that is impossible they can't mate it will be like mating you know a horse with the donkey and you will make a mule with no offspring and so then the and then the debate goes on and on and on but these debates remind me of early debates of the fathers of the church i mean there were debates that today will be regarded as completely, you know, futile, I mean, completely demented. I mean, who will spend a whole book of a thousand pages talking about the sexuality of angels? That was something like when I was a kid, like I explained in my book, there was a movie in Italy that was a comedy movie, but very well done about the medieval times, you know, and then there was this sage that these guys were going to the same saint guy who was living and he said and he says so are you coming here to debate the sexuality of the angels okay and then he takes out like a couple of volumes this big and he throws them to them and i'm like oh my god so we're back to that point now when it comes down to the politicians the politicians are informed on a need to know basis they are basically puppets in the hands of the system we have paulina luna who is dishonest from the start about even her own upbringing when she said i am a messianic jew then the family intervened no she's not uh probably her grandfather was a nazi and then the whole thing sounds like out of a playbook of sabbatian frankists who are trying to hide their roots so who paulina luna has of course hinted on the book of enoch and suddenly a lot of interest on the book of enoch that already timothy alberino of course has been following for years i had timothy alberino in rome with me interviewing even a friend of the late zacharia sichin and making some incredible admissions which i actually bring in this book also so about the nature of the collaboration between Zacharias Hitchin and the Vatica and Timothy Alberino himself after I brought him to the Jesuit headquarters we managed to get him filming there using an escamotage it was all an adventure really with Timothy I wrong but then she was his life was threatened he went in front of

the cameras of of the guys those evangelicals who have that tv channel I don't remember exactly their name, but he went there and said that during the night they attempted to poison the whole family after he came back from Rome. Wow.

Are you talking about Prophecy Watchers?

Yes. He went to Prophecy Watcher and the car exhaust of his car was put on while they were asleep.

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Wow. You can find this on an old episode. I don't know if

you know this, Leo. We got into it with him in a big way because we watched your documentary that you had done with him it was unsolved mysteries the vatican and and you know the ufo uh deception and then i watched him start to align himself with elizondo and um and i started to criticize him and he he it you know he doesn't return my mails anymore

he he stopped strangely you know he he sent me a signed copy of birthright which is otherwise is an excellent book, but I mean...

For some reason, suddenly in the last five years, he has complete... I mean, after the last interview we did together... That's when it started.

This is my problem.

Yeah, three or four years ago. And then after he disappeared. And suddenly I see him with the girl who works with Roscooter. I see him doing all these big shows. He's becoming part of the gay sleeper's world. So I am a little bit puzzled by that. I'm not saying anything, because in my book, I say, I still hope that, you know, he's not like Jack Vallejo, these other people. I still see him as a valid researcher, but, you know.

When we, previously earlier in the episode, when we said, you know, I don't know what they know, they might not. I'm speaking directly to Timothy. I like Timothy. I think he's a good Christian dude. And I had the same suspicions about five years ago. I said, something happened, something changed. and we were online and we're just making this brief overview saying aliens are demons. It's a bold statement, but it's to cause a conversation because we're using Twitter and that caused like the crux of this debate with him. He came after us. The other guys came after us and we didn't back down. We ended up kind of, we ended up

because if you think about it, this position is aligning with the Jesuit position more than the real mainstream evangelicals or even traditionalist catholics or certain orthodox is aligning instead with this more materialistic

yes now regarding leo during during the debate that we had with him it was never like a debate on the points because he's he's a very smart guy but we're like we just want to know what happened and almost specifically referring to your segment with him there specifically your segment what

happened to that guy because he's concerned that the vatican is going to do a deceptive alien disclosure and now he's smoking cigars with lou elizondo and and he's saying that the age of

disclosure is a fantastic piece i i hate bringing this because i like i apologized to him recently i was like listen this is done i don't want to do this anymore like i feel like i'm doing more

harm than good you haven't seen this leo it was a it was a war uh a very public one on this show on on twitter uh i had to have a phone call with him after a couple of months of this and i said you know things got lost um there's so much i do respect about him and i'm also grateful for guys like you and guys like timothy who have this body of research that enables guys like us to now talk about it today yeah uh but there is a massive um inconsistency here where you are saying the vatican is one day going to do alien disclosure and it's going to be a deception and then fast forward to 2026 and you are smoking cigars with the guy who is doing the disclosure with us

when he you know when he came to rome he said you know i align with what chris putham and tom horns wrote in exo vaticana which was rather critical of the jesuit's position and everything now in my book in the first chapter i show the different approaches of the barrier theological approaches of all the various factions and I personally even though of course I've always been saying for decades that there is a demonic nature that needs to be evaluated I stated these are the positions of the various theological factions without of course being biased because that will bring you know my own idea in it and instead I wanted to really portray what each of these gentlemen was saying you know like the little nuances even the differences like for example the Russian Seraphim Rose the late Seraphim who had one position then you have the present Stephen the young with another slightly different position and then you have the various evangelicals and then the Lutheran slightly different but then you have the traditional Catholics who are of course differing from the post conciliar one because my book explains why the Vatican has taken this leading role to the you know to the whole control of a religious narrative that is putting together a one-world religion. And I was, you know, I was very, I mean, I was familiar with Timothy's work because he came to Rome because we, you know, we were together on this documentary. We had lunch, dinner together. I thought he, you know, I could trust him 100%, but something weird happened, and I have to admit it myself. Now, I'm not stating that he's been completely bought out, but I think that for matters of convenience, he likes to have that posture which of course will then make him relevant in all these big shows and you know uh ending up maybe on the joe rogan or whatever but leo zagami who has been shadow banned censored 17 channels removed during the pandemic and have always been ostracized i mean in europe

have the police knocking on my door for a facebook post or i will have them stopping me with for in front of my you know simply taking the car and after two minutes they will stop me and say document things you know this and that and then at one point even broke into my like i said into my home and they locked me up they wanted me to be the crazy guy at one point you know but it was very difficult for them because my father was a psychiatrist he was one of the most the biggest and most known psychiatrists in europe he appeared on one of the list of the most the biggest intellectuals in 1968 on the pravda so i mean we're talking about somebody who knew about the human mind who taught me a few things himself so i i grew up you know in front of my father his studies his research even in the paranormal when in 1980 he started also around 1980 a tv show at midnight with a guy called pietro cimatti who was a really well-known figure studying and also practicing the paranormal within a spiritist group in florence which was very popular at the time so my experience come from a direct experience with people from my family my grandfather was a senator my grandmother from my english side was an intelligence operative you can find felicity mason on wikipedia and she was the woman responsible for encrypting the messages between the president of the united states and the uk prime minister during the second world war so a matter of you know level of clearance which is above than above and so in 1982 when i came here of america i was invited to the first screening of et you know in new york but i mean and i was still a child so the she gave me my first book on alistair cowley i'm not saying that everything was positive that came out of my family background but eventually that is my experience that i bring into the fold and so when i really made you know this acquaintance and then became a friendship with Timothy, at times we differed on certain little nuances and theological approaches that he had that were more evangelicals. Of course, I come from a Catholic background. I'm a pre-conciliar Catholic, which means I'm a traditionist that doesn't accept the Second Vatican Council, because that is when the alien intervention happened. And my book has this witness from 1933 onwards, The Vatican got involved because they had to first block the UFO retrieval program from the fascists and Nazis, taking over and then, of course, changing the course of the war.

But then soon after the war, the Vatican was the one that sent one of the most eminent representatives, James Francis McIntyre, to Roswell. The Vatican sent this guy who then became the Archbishop of Los Angeles with Eisenhower to meet two times the two different species, allegedly two different species of aliens. once while he was alleged, you know, when he was actually here in Palm Springs officially. So all this makes me really come to conclusions about the current narrative that, of course, of complete control, and so I'm not trusting anything that comes out of the screen or out of the mainstream narrative for this reason.

Agreed. You know, Leo, I want to ask you then, And my main concern, we've heard so much about the technology and all these other things. What about the nature of these beings? Because that's almost entirely absent from the conversation, especially when it comes to documentaries like Age of Disclosure or whatever the government is going to do.

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But the Faustinian bargain, Faustinian bargain, you know, you can obtain this technology, but at what cost?

Yes. So what in your research have you made then of the nature of these things? You mentioned demonic and angelic. How do we parse these?

You know, it's very easy. You know, the universe reflects the two, you know, the binary reality of good and evil and yin and yang. This is reflected all over the universe. So automatically, every race that we have out there, in one way or another, would be influenced by these two factions. They could actually be free of choice, you know, free will, like we allegedly have this free will. well if you are christian you believe in that because it's your own will to decide if you want to go towards the abyss or you want to join the heavens we have been given that now we are not sure that all races have been given that choice there is though in regards to the actual discussion regarding the nephilim a very indicative thing here we had a guy this guy here who is now the director of the Specula Vaticana foundation up until last year he was the director of the Vatican astronomic sector and the Specula Vaticana himself now the new responsible guy the guy who is now responsible his father de Sosa but he is the the guy in charge of the foundation why this is important because Guy Consolmagno came to prominence in the ufologic world about his book that was written would you baptize an extraterrestrial yeah now this concept is actually a concept which like i described in my book is much older he's ascribed to his own mentor father george coin the guy who eventually forced the opening of the observatory mount graham and and so and there was an article demonstrating that it was entitled would you baptize an extraterrestrial 30 years ago on the new york times dedicated to father so it's not a novelty but the thing is in this book like there is also a preceding book that it wasn't it was immediately taken of commerce if you want i can show it to you we could do is to maybe i can share the because this is a book that now if you purchase my book you can get the link to this book here it is it's been brought out of circulation it was published a long time ago as you can see it's an official catholic publication cts and it was published in london and as you can see it was published with the support of the catholic you know of what are the members of the catholic trust society now this book is about describing the aliens as savers of mankind so it was quickly taken out of commerce and eventually instead we know guy console manual from this other book. However, when Tom Horne and Chris Putnam managed to get hold of

that other book that we have just showed, they eventually published it on their own website for the people who had bought Exo-Vaticana. And so they forced, in a way, the Vatican to acknowledge the existence of this book. And eventually, in 2023, they included this book in a link that you can download from the official Vatican Observatory site. So they changed after 20 years, their narrative is surrounding, almost 20 years, the narrative surrounding this book.

Does that tell you about what they're trying to do then? Are they, do you assume that they're trying to run with that narrative rather than hide it? Or why do, why do that thing?

Okay. in my book I explain that the narrative is built out of a long discussion that arised after the direct experience with the retrieval of these UFOs in the 1950s you had also you know all these UFOs even over Washington in 1952 over France and Italy later on 5354 this led to the real birth of the Vatican exo-politics, because at that point the Vatican also started to increasingly address it under theological perspective. You know, a theological perspective of, you know, it sounds crazy, but for the Vatican to become irrelevant.

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Is the problem. And so the first people to discuss this whole thing in the Vatican were saying, well, if these beings are not the sons of Adam and Eve, obviously they don't have the original sin. And this discussion, which was actually brought by Father O'Connell, redemptorist and published in 1952 on the Times magazine became a matter of concern for the authorities even the Jesuits published an article later with Father Domenico Gras on Civiltà Catholic about it and so they had to intervene and eventually they will rely on the new theological perspective of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin now people say who the heck is Pierre Teilhard de Chardin oh who is the guy who basically is the protagonist of the exorcist is based on him. He's the guy who inspired 2001 Space Odyssey because he inspired Arthur C. Clarke's take on the whole matter. And he's the guy who the wire that acknowledges as the inventor of the internet with no spear. So Pierre Terre de Chardin is not just a guy. He's an extraordinary Jesuit who was initially positioned in conflict with the traditionalist Vatican, the preconciliar Vatican. Okay, then something happened. Something happened because the Vatican started to know that this reality was real. So how to address it in terms of theology became their first matter of concern. But then later on, when Pope John XXIII, who during his period as ambassador of the Vatican and had a direct experience in a lodge because he was a Freemason of contact with these beings. And later on, he will have an encounter of the third kind in July 1961 in the gardens of Cattel Gandolfo. Well, at that point, then when the Second Vatican Council kick-started, it wasn't anymore just a matter of reforming the Catholic Church. It was a matter of reforming all the religions of the world in time for disclosure. And so from there on, it started the mission of putting together this one world religion in time for disclosure and at the same time dictating the narrative, controlling everything because they rely on the military industry complex and on the people who have put together the legacy program, even those defense contractors involved. So, that is how things have matured and evolved, and then you have, of course, the gatekeeper of gatekeepers, Daniel Sheehan, he is the legal representative of Luis Elizondo, he's the legal representative of Stephen Greer, he's the guy who used to represent for 10 years the headquarters of the Jesuits on legal matters.

He was himself a former Jesuit novitiate, and he admitted this year at Contra in the Desert, if you go on the video that is put there on one of the few public videos, he admits that not only he has been involved with the UFO grassroots movements from the very beginning, which means the Jesuits were involved, But also, when asked about how currently the Vatican is operating in this disclosure, he said, well, Pope Leo XIV has invited me to Castel Gandolfo. So he admitted it. Now, if the aim of Timothy Alberino is to get invited by Pope Leo XIV, he's, let's say, on a good path.

I look at it like you nailed it earlier. I think much more his drive currently is to get on the Joe Rogan experience because I look at Joe Rogan as if he's sort of the modern-day Laurel. canyon um is a cultural manufacturing machine uh that podcast is and i did recognize that um timothy was posturing himself to be one of the talking heads as we move forward in disclosure and that it would be advantageous for him to get on rogan's and he had even made a few mentions here and there where it became obvious to me and he's he's doing a fantastic job of it i mean like you said earlier you see him everywhere right now on all the major podcasts um and so the timing of our dispute was not really to his advantage because we uh we deal heavily in comedy we made a lot of fun of him on these platforms getting ready for his media tour and um and then sure enough right after the smoke kind of settled with our you know back and forth uh all of a sudden he

starts popping up on all these major things i don't know from from my assumption like i said and i don't like to even bring this up but like it seemed like he was ready to take off and do a thing and we were for whatever reason the sacrificial cow that he picked but the cow had teeth i guess he didn't assume that it was going to be uh you know well bad for him what it was

was the issue that i was having was he was saying that um instead of looking at the expression aliens are demons which is inherently reductive it is far more complex than that yeah i mean that

is far more complex i i agree with that point it's far more complex but the fact that you have a poster and you say simply the aliens are demons shouldn't be regarded as you know a matter of of interrupting your own friendship with a person because from the moment i stated that then timothy absolutely ignored my emails and and went another way and i was really puzzled by the whole thing because yes we can discuss there is many races many realities interdimensional extradimensional extraterrestrial some can be uh interdimensional and extraterrestrial at the same time and all that but you you know when you have a friendship and you have met in person that's a different thing you know i kind of like i'm from rome i'm not from uh you know another country where you might have that kind of usage i mean for us friendship is a serious matter if we have you know had food on a table you know at a dinner it's it's not the last dinner of jesus christ but it's still a very important element of our you know social let's say uh interaction and and and so it surprises me that you know but it's not the first time i've seen this kind of attitude in people that have made a choice i remember i was in the music business i was a record producer and i saw many times people who from one day or another you know they want they might be you know destitute and then they become number one in the charts and they don't even say hello to you anymore or answer your phone calls because they feel themselves as like these big shots well that is an ego problem but i think with timo there is something else

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21 plus. Terms and conditions apply. I believe we discussed with Tim this idea that there is built within this narrative, right? You have the idea of the Galactic Federation of Light, which in my estimation is some sort of a psychological operation.

Can I tell you really quickly? what it is i'll pull this up but here's a tweet from uh anna polina luna oh my goodness there it

is yeah influencer disclosures are coming what is influencer who is that i'm sorry how fucking gay is this it is it sounds like lord of the rings kind of uh yeah i mean but that's what they're

doing what are you but what are you really doing what like look at how they're doing it they're Doing it in the worst, in the most cringe possible way. Something that could be really cool.

It is the same thing that happened when they gave those influencers.

On one side of the government, you have Trump trolling everybody with aliens in chains, Nordics in front of the world and all this BS. And which really and then, of course, even using the official website, talking about illegal aliens. I know. I mean, that the whole thing is really despicable, because if we want to be serious about this topic, you're not there laughing it off or making jokes about it. You are doing that if you want to cover your friends in the military industrial complex. Of course, Lockheed Martin and everybody else, Palantir, that now is, of course, using reverse engineering and technology. Yes, of course, you are compromised. Trump is compromised. He has made a lot of promises and never maintained one. And that is honestly disappointing for everybody who has voted him, including myself. It was the first time I was actually voting here in America. So very disappointing. And I even gave my hand for the Coachella Valley event. So it's like my error, but the error of many Americans who thought that, you know, a billionaire could be different from his political pals in Washington. In reality, they're all the same swamp and they all want to, you know, just take advantage of when they finally sit in a position of power. Now, from my own personal experience, my grandfather was a senator, and I remember he did a lot for the city of Messina after the earthquake that was still, you know, felt decades after and people didn't have a home. The earthquake of Messina was one of the worst events that could ever happen. It destroyed the whole city. And he made an effort to always help people, meet them once a week. He used to have a bar in Messina where he used to meet the people who would go and elect him. And he really sacrificed himself to a level in which at the end of his career, he would be poisoned and take out of office, thanks to trickery and betrayal. And eventually he died in front, you know, when he crashed, he was a tall man, taller than me, he was 195, 192, but he was very tall. So he falls in front of me because they poisoned with arsenic, his spine crashed. So the politics is a dirty game. You can compromise. You can accept these compromises and go forward. You can then not accept them and be eliminated. And, of course, the current government is compromised. So we can't expect a disclosure that is genuine and honest in any way.

That's what they're doing now. So, you know, the reason you would do it to politicians is because of the influence that they carry that that terminology influencers, which is kind of I don't enjoy it. It's a it's a crappy word. But right now, average individuals who are authors or documentarians or even people like us with with microphones and podcasts, we have a certain amount of cultural influence that i wonder how much individuals that maybe you wouldn't previously have thought are now susceptible to those same tactics i mean we're talking about albarino and whatever he may have gone through that changed his mind i don't think

that's out of the realm of possibilities at all this year this year we had a whole bunch of panels of people who were all a bunch of gatekeepers here after the contact in the desert from Bassett to everybody else who was there and they have taken over the scene so now they are the ones that tell you yes we have this, we have a body we have a body of this, we have a reverse engineer of this I mean Gary Nolan who goes there and pretends he is, but Gary Nolan is the biggest gatekeeper and anything that comes out of the Stanford University of Stanford Institute should always be analyzed with a sense of criticism yeah in my book i also reveal how you have china russia and america competing on that competing when they were competing on remote viewing because all of these countries are remote view and at one point ten years ago the wedding and got involved with the head of the russian remote viewers which is this gentleman lieutenant colonel sabin this is during his time and in this next to him is the guy who collaborated with my book roberto pinotti so and and they actually offered pinotti who went there if he wanted to participate to the remote viewing program and he refused and then at that point he broke with the academy of the illuminati because what happened was this i am of course still in contact with people that i've known my whole life so at one point i was in the mountains in north of idoli one day with my wife doing a tracking with and of course in a situation when you do tracking that is not really ideal because you're climbing on top of a mountain and at one point I received a phone call and it was the Vice President

of the academy say can you introduce me to roberto pinotti i know he's your old friend and i said okay no problem i didn't know what it was about but soon after they created a website for him and they got him involved in this whole disclosure organization that they wanted to set up which is becoming the builder of ufologists and there was john podesta involved there was a lot of important people in major podesta actually in the summer of 2016 while he was chairman of the hilary campaign flown to rome to meet with pier giorgio bassi and and georgio bassi is the guy who takes care of disclosure in the vatican in fact i show in this book a picture of him and the and cardinal parolin who is the vatican secretary of state who is actually currently apparently in a state of panic about the whole disclosure thing this is actually the one that you see holding that that is uh uh freemason and then vice president of the academy of illuminati and the and the guy you see there is cardinal pietro parolin who is the most important and relevant figure in the vatican after the pope the secretary of state and and apparently You know, they are all involved and they created this organization for the International Organization for the Destinies of the World, which was headed by Vladimir Putin in Moscow. And then when this whole Ukraine thing erupted, they had to put everything on hold. But the offer that they gave to Roberto Pinotti, he refused it because he, like me, was a military once upon a time, served with NATO and said, what am I going to do? I'm going to go in a Russian remote viewing program. They're going to brainwash me first of all. They're going to maybe, you know, plant things in my mind. I don't want to have anything to do with that. You know, I also had to do, like I explained in my book, I also related some information of a prior encounter I had to the GRU, which is the military intelligence in Russia. Now, of course, that was done simply on a matter of mutual interest and concern over a topic. I wasn't revealing any state secret, you know. But, of course, people will then say, Zagami, are you yourself a gatekeeper? No, because I'm still alive, because I actually have done a lot of sacrifices in my life. Starting from the sacrifice I did almost 20 years ago when I had to give up my only son and never so again. And now he's been brought up by a guy into the world who is the head of the muslim section of the world economic forum so i mean just to give you an idea of what i have to renounce to i was imprisoned i was tortured

you know and so this is you know for me a very personal matter it's not just a intellectual matter so when timothy came to rome i introduced him to my reality and i showed him and he got a bit scared when things started to become so, you know, threatening even for himself. So, I wonder if then, you know, you take a more tranquil posture, a more convenient posture, once you are threatened. I didn't. I renounce, you know, I actually lifted my hands, and this is a signal that the Freemasons use, in front of the judge in Norway, in the same room where anders brevik was judged and i said well you can bring up my son i'm not gonna compromise and you can you know they wanted to use my son as a blackmail to silence me i said there's no way you're gonna silence me keep my son bring him up do whatever you want i'm gonna continue with my mission it's a mission that comes with a cost it's not just a mission that that's why when people zagami is again no it's like i'm somebody who has addressed the cost you know before you know moving forward in my life i had to pay the consequences of my disclosure actions when

they take your son like what is that they just they take custody of him from you yeah basically

then ended up marrying with this guy from the world economic forum she was part of an organization which is headed by a guy called Fethullah Gulen, which lives in Pennsylvania, protected by 50 Turkish operatives. He used to work with the CIA, people know that. Fethullah Gulen movement is one of the most powerful religious Islamic movements they are in the world. And eventually she had to leave Turkey in 2016 when there was that attempted coup d'etat of Erdogan by Fethullah Gulen, that didn't work out, and so they had to go back to Norway. Thanks, go back.

i was never able to contact him again or have any contact with him they forbid me from doing that still to this day still to this day wow and he's 20 years old so i don't know i mean i don't know if they're holding a gun over his head or it's just simply that he's been probably brainwashed wow wow wow wow i mean you're actually the head of a section of the world economic forum working with klaus schwab but you are a pretty powerful individual so i mean and i explained that in volume 10 of my confessions which i dedicated to the islamic secret societies and the reality of

eternal conflict in the middle east well i mean if if they uh threatened his family let's say timothy which i'm very empathetic to and and uh maybe that speaks to the magnitude of the endeavors he didn't realize how much was on the line you know somebody like you had yeah i think that

That's actually, you see, when I saw a recent interview, you know, they asked him, when did you start this whole adventure? And he said 10 years ago, 11 years ago. Well, in reality, that was the time when he was in Rome and he actually did this first documentary, you know, coincide. And at the time, he was maybe more idealistic. He was a young individual and, you know, he was daring. Then he went to Peru. he did all kinds of research and things and you know I thought you know this guy is doing quite well but when those threats arised when he went back to America what happened with this strange you know threat to his family and stuff and his fear for his life and then things got a little bit weird

yeah I mean yeah that'll shake any man right I mean that's

It's a choice. I had to give up something. I know that it's not an easy thing. It's not an easy thing to give up your own son. I mean, it's the most hard thing you can, you know, and it kind of like I tried the first couple of years, I will have nightmares every day about when they arrested me because I was arrested. I was arrested by the Norwegian PST after, locked in, threatened. even when I was on my way to the child custody thing, they actually used that to arrest me and then put on me an accusation of espionage and threatened me while I'm actually attacking. So then at that point I said, do whatever you want, guys. I'm just going to go back to Italy and screw yourself. I mean, I'm not really here to sacrifice my mission. My mission is very important because as you will learn from the end of this book, It's a mission that starts in 1993 when I was both initiated by Prince Aliata, but I also had my own encounter of the third kind, which completely changed my life after.

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can we talk about that encounter yeah i will not disclose the whole thing because of course i don't i want to spoil it you know it's a little bit but i can summarize it was an encounter with a probe from mother ship which was located on top of the vatican with other ships that apparently are constantly located on top of the vatican because 52 miles of research 53 miles of research to attend with all of the vatican apostolic archive and apostolic library which is another 23 miles so that is their ideal internet look it's like their own internet no like they want to grasp of the knowledge of mankind but in any case this orb a blue orb had a conscience, a non-human intelligence conscience. So it was also a very shocking experience because at the time I was practicing the magic of Abramel in the mage, I was somebody who was deep into a cult. I never had any ufologic aspiration or any interest towards ufology. It was like a subject, yes, of interest, maybe. a movie maybe when you are a kid you can have some interest about things but it wasn't like a priority in my life to study ufology or to have an interest towards the subject but that encounter changed my life because it was an encounter that then channeled transmitted downloaded as they say these days now you download the stuff from that encounter and that stuff was then classified by italian military intelligence sees me and this is the first time in my book that i disclose some of the subjects that were discussed and the interlocutor which they claim they be to be nomos so to be actually from that the same star system that then it was narrated by the dogon and thus next year starts the seven years ritual in alignment with serious which apparently now will be in alignment with the takeover of the planet by the grid that they have put together so the experience i have it was a direct experience it was done in a specific place which is also very interesting in the story which i narrate but i didn't you know expect that to happen because i was actually doing a ritual to encounter my holy guardian angel because that's what the magic of Abramelin is a six-month ritual that people like Alistair Crowley did thanks to his mentor McGregor Matters who was the guy who first translated it into English. What was the name of your angel that you were trying to encounter? Well, it was my personal holy guardian angel.

Eventually, you know, I came into contact with something that was non-human intelligence, of course, and then it signed itself as this norm. I didn't know anything about this normals or anything about this old doggone thing and but in this book then i explained how i then came to because at the time there was no internet like we have today you just go and surf and see what is this so what is that you know and it all led to a series of of very interesting events that then i had to leave italy and then i lived in london for a few years in london i established myself as I was the director of the Aula Lucius Cagliostro, which was part of the Fraternitas Rosicruciana Antigua of Arnold Krumheller. I was, of course, regularised into the United Greenology of England. I became also part of the team to investigate certain things for the Società Rosicruciana in Anglia. So I was a Rosicrucian, and that is another element of interest in my book, The pope who had this alleged encounter of the third kind was a Rosicrucian, but also J. Allen Aenec or Jacques Ballet claimed Rosicrucian links, and very much are into that Rosicrucian posture, which is very important to understand that this kind of context existed for a long time. And so the Rosicrucians themselves were also very acquainted with this kind of entities, though you can describe them in various ways.

So, all right, I want to move on to a question that we don't have you for too much longer. And I find it fascinating. You've been looking at this phenomenon for so long. And now that we're sitting.

Well, to tell you the truth, also, it's the first, you know, when I wrote my confession series, I disclosed only part of that encounter in volume three, the esoteric part. I never disclosed this other part, which was previously classified by the seismic, because I had just came out of the air force. And when I had this encounter and I channeled 44 pages of material, which I could hardly understand what it meant, there was very complex material in it, I simply called my friend from the military intelligence, a guy who was actually working as a security detail of an important politician who had dealt with the UFO phenomenon, Giulio Andreotti, and who himself was connected to the Vatican. And then they classified this whole information after verifying it. And then they gave me also the passport so I could leave Italy because at the time I had some problems. So it was an experience that I never really made public up until now because I didn't want to. And even in this book, I left it right at the end as almost a side note to not disrupt from the rest of the book. then you have at the very end an interview with roberto pinotti an exclusive interview with him also so before that they have my own experience which i i hope you will read and maybe you will

have some questions maybe that that experience did it change in any way your understanding of

the nature of the phenomenon absolutely absolutely i mean i like i said my background was occult I didn't have

anything to do with this. When I saw that this phenomenon had a military structure, a military setup of a squadron communicating their serial numbers and things to me, I was like, what is this? It wasn't like, you know, when you are evoking something, you are evoking an entity and you are evoking or invoking something. You are invoking something that is, yes, non-human intelligence but this was different this was a military non-human intelligence who had that military kind of way of transmitting things and of acting which I immediately recognized because I just came out of the military you know so I was like wow this is familiar but it also made it for me paradoxically like I say in my book it actually made the whole thing better for me because it was no longer, you know, you were not evoking, you know, one of the, you know, legionnaires of Satan, you know, Belzebue, Lucifer, or whatever, Leviathan, or you were there, you know, contacting some beings. These were beings that were manifesting, you know, that manifested in front of me, and they were very coherent about everything, very linear about everything, and I could understand And also their way of operating was not occult. It was pretty much technological. And so it opened me really a complete new idea of how should I approach the occult. Because at that point, the occult was like simply an insert point for me for something else. It was really like I was aiming from that point onwards to do something pioneeristic for science. i didn't feel i was anymore you know dealing with your card what year was this 1993 and since then

have you had any meaningful interactions with i suppose that side of the veil that was the main

interaction face to face which frozen me i mean it was just like an experience out of this world of course and it was and it's been a very scary experience also for somebody i mean i didn't thank god you know meet a gray but when you have a big orb of light surrounded by a bluish light materializing in your living room that is actually why today a lot of people are critical about and even myself you know i don't like this uap terminology uap but in reality it makes sense because you can't materialize a UFO inside your living room, but UAP phenomenon, yes, an orb, yes. And so when I started to see lately with this latest bunch of UFO disclosure, the discussion around the orbs and orbs that were guided by a mothership, and then I was like, oh, I already wrote this in my book. This is like, you know, connects perfectly with what I wrote. So I think that there is, of course, the possibility that these beings could have manipulated my mind or could have actually inserted some negative elements. But from what happened in the years after my rapid rise in certain secret societies, the fact that immediately, you know, I mean, in the Memphis and Missouri, we even have a Sirius degree dedicated to Sirius. And these beings were claiming they were from the star system that, of course, was connected to Sirius A, Sirius B, and they even claimed Sirius C. So this discussion that, of course, Carl Sagan, you know, was the biggest gatekeeper of them all. Carl Sagan was the guy who had the courage to criticize one thing while he was then believing another. And he was absolutely critical of the whole doggone mystery. But from my own direct experience, this was a real thing.

It wasn't a joke. Have you seen this recent revelation about Mauro Biglino, who was a translator? Mauro, sure.

I know Mauro. I did conferences with him in Italy. I did a lot of work with him because he's also a Freemason, by the way. He never says that. Mauro also worked with Roberto Pinotti. I talk about him in my book due to his interpretation an orthodox interpretation of the scriptures I remember the one point I had of course my own political organization in Italy that also we were trying to get this whole matter like you are doing now in the UFO disclosure circuit here in the United States with the government people going on capital in a small way we tried in Italy We did our first law proposal.

with Giuseppe Vattino and Barbato in December 2012. But then that led to threats to both the politicians involved, who were my friends. And after Biglino came into the fold supporting us also, he received some bullets, like in an envelope. Oh, wow. Actual bullets.

Yeah, yeah.

So I remember he was one day came to us in Rome and it was me and Giuseppe I think me and this politician receiving him and he said guys I received this thing in the post, what should I do? And I said well you should go to the police but the thing is that probably the people sending you this is the military intelligence so it's not like you're going to find probably a lot of help from that side. So Mauro though then the problem was he didn't want to you know publicly discloses masonic you know we were both in the same we were both in the same publishing company that first published my confessions of an illuminati uneditori back then and we were the biggest names in this publishing company of course my book had become quickly a bestseller when it was published in italian his books of course were bestsellers already back then but then we entered in in a conflict politically with the publishing company that was obviously supporting this five-star movement or whatever, you know. And so I said, no, I don't want to have anything to do with them. And I was like, you know, give me my money, liquidate me, and I'm going to move on, which I did. Instead, he wanted to stay there, and eventually he ended up being frauded of hundreds of thousands of euros that he never got from this company. Now, and so I didn't, you know, then he also influenced this movie that was supposed to be made. That actually was made, but never came out with very big names. Names like Gerard Departier, the Star Trek guy. What's his name? The guy who went with Blue Origin up.

Oh, the guy that went with Blue Origin from Star Trek. Yeah, yeah, I know who you're talking about.

Yeah, you know, the guy who did the first Star Trek. He was involved with this movie. There were other actors who I knew who were involved with this movie who actually worked also with Oliver Stone. Is it Shat? Yes, yes, yes. And there were also other actors. And this movie was based on Biggino's books. They did it. They spent millions. Apparently, they spent something like seven or eight million dollars to produce this movie. It's not a big amount of money by today's standards. 8 million euros. But the movie never came out. We don't know. I mean, the actual film director of the movie never discussed anymore this whole thing. And when I pointed out on this whole thing, actually, a few years back when I got here to America, in one of my shows, I started to, you know, focus on that. i started to receive phone calls from some of the actors from hollywood saying i don't well i don't know something strange happened there interesting i wonder what happened there

well um i want to ask you as we as we come up towards the end of this do you have any you're so close to this situation do you have any predictions as to how you think this is going to play out because it's very clear they are doing something we have dates said supposedly july the trump administration is going to do something um do you have any ideas as to what form if we do get disclosure it's going to take hey it's ryan seacrest here and if you're looking for some

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Well, you see the difference, for example, in the way Guy Consolmagno in this book talks about the Nephilim, but he talks about Genesis 6, but in both of his books, he never talks about the book. Enoch. You know that there is a big difference in the way the Book of Enoch perceives these beings and in Genesis 6. So it's like they don't want to go where there is a threatening posture. Or, for example, what happened a month ago with Monsignor Rossetti, a former intelligence officer, who suddenly in the archdiocesis of Washington DC, after 19 years of being an exorcist, got kicked out because he said that the aliens were demons, but we don't have any dogma on that. Why did the Vatican do that? What is the justification for it? Absolutely no justification is given. So that means that they claim they already know they are not demonic. And what gives them that certainty? So here we are really in front of a Vatican that currently, like I stated just earlier, regarding cardinal parolin is very scared of how things are gonna develop in this disclosure so they are really with pope leo the 14th on the country of pope francis that was you know even you know hypothesizing on if the martians climb down i'm gonna bless all that kind of bs with the popular the 14th he has ordered everybody silence complete silence on the topic everybody no more discussions guy consulmanio even went on on the air and said uh some people took advantage of what i said i don't want to discuss this topic any longer so it's like censorship and but it's not really censorship it's like just preparing for disclosure means that you cannot say anything in the meantime but then we see that the current pope like i explained in my book has moved to Castel Gandolfo after the previous Pope had transformed Castel Gandolfo in a museum and that place is the place that is connected worldwide with all the observatories of the world and of course Mount Graham. That is the headquarters also of the Vatican Jesuit astronomers where the Pope is spending more time than he's spending in the Vatican. So why is he doing that? Is he preparing for another landing because that is the gardens where the UFO landed and spoke with 20 minutes with pope john the 23rd is he preparing for disclosure like danny sheehan said this year the content in the desert that he was invited to castel gandolfo so i mean there is something big about to uh you know uh be announced but all this paranoia of these evangelics or these other religious denominations that are facing uncertainty the vatican doesn't have that because they have been preparing since the 1950s on having their i mean it might be bs it might be

completely false but they are ready for it right so they are not in a state of fact it's it's not

necessarily like the other denominations that are worrying it's more like spielberg and the people who are in the know saying that those denominations that christianity should be should be worried should be worried because whatever is coming will destabilize i'll tell you one thing spielberg gave

his screenplay to david coib he's a catholic jesuit agent and the film is in three is fueled with catholic elements the former nun is one of the protagonists the nuns and monastery even talking about the aliens at one point regurgitating something that was originally said by some saint padre peel regarding the fact that they are ready to embrace the extraterrestrial so their position which has always been the position i have put here in this this is the front cover of the observatory romano which is a official newspaper of the vatican and in that article it says l'extraterrestrial and mio fratello the extraterrestrial is my brother so here we we have it more clear the extraterrestrial is my brother is that that's what it says yeah and that is the official newspaper of the vatican and in my book i explained the whole history of how they embrace and why they are embracing so it will finally make you understand who is in charge of this disclosure and why the vatican is heading the whole thing in their own way it's fascinating right now

you know the vatican has been such a big player in this for so long maybe the key player and that you're right they are shockingly silent i mean there are these things that are coming out um that are fascinating to look at but for the most part very quiet from a from a previous institution that said they would baptize them you know it's interesting you think that they would be talking quite a bit right now and while that's happening the world is looking at uh the jews in israel which is like you know there's a lot of issues going on there with that situation

what in the world is that that is allegedly something that was found in the 90s in the

vatican archives the vatican archives inside the day under the pavement fascinating fascinating i think we're experiencing something right now where the the greater i don't know what you would call it conspiracy community truth or community all of those words are are pretty distasteful but they're looking at one thing while something else

is about to happen yeah no i mean you know when they are telling you look at the light in the skies but don't look at the actual computer that is driving your life and at the alien you have in your pocket because you have the ai fruit of reverse engineering which is guiding your life they are telling you look there don't look here and yeah you know and while they're closing the grid their plan is very clear by 2030 they will close the grid then they will announce of course there is this alien this other alien but at that point you can do whatever you want because they going to simply call a robot drone come to your door and you will be arrested, microchip and silence forever and your internet tool will no longer be available so I mean, it's like, you know we have the credit score system already in China, which is connected to the way you think about certain things, well, the same thing will apply here to the United States in a few years those aliens are demons, okay stop that guy, close his internet channel and that's it, let's move on

Where do you put this against biblical prophecy, which I'm sure that you're familiar with, like the book of Revelation kind of stuff? Because as this plays out, it sounds a lot like biblical prophecy, but it seems like the powers that be are aiming to push this in one direction. And then the Bible says that it goes in a completely different direction. What would your prediction be?

Because I think that, yes, we are not alone, but also regarding those different races, demonic, angelic, more structured towards us, embracing us as being of this universe, others that want to actually limit us, dumb us down because they're afraid that when we become finally space travelers, we have this potential that could really jeopardize them. We have a mind that if it really was fully operative, we'll jeopardize a lot of this less developed, these races that have given up even on creativity. Because imagine this, you know, we have the AI now and it's damning down people and it's not even started. In a million years from now, how will a race react to things when we're no longer able to even think with our own brains? And yes, we might be advanced. we might have all kinds of technology like these alien beings often have but we are not creative any longer and that is a big problem so they come here still because they need our creativity they need, you know, even when we reverse engineer we put some element of that creativity within it that is not alien but is human so that is the problem here They will not reveal us the whole truth because of the Lockheed Martins of the situation, because of the usual excuse of the, you know, national security here, national security there. But we as human beings inevitably will be eventually able to know the truth because the advances in technology make it impossible to hide this reality much longer. and they know that. The Disclosure Day narrative of Spielberg that brings the Disclosure Day, you know, on TV is already something of the past because, I mean, who cares about the TV station in Kansas City, you know, because the point is to actually, you know, put out this truth any way you can and today you could do it simply through the internet without, you know, considering even going to one of these mainstream uh newspapers that or or new services which are now being you know they're so dated that they are losing you know even relevance in the whole discourse so they know that we are in front of that kind of thing and that's why they're accelerating at least the disclosure in a soft way and they're giving us these hints that yes they exist yes this this but they're not gonna tell us you know we are because the moment they admit the reverse engineering then we will have a lot of questions yeah okay you reverse engineer this thing and what

tells you that they actually because the biggest thing that i review also here is the scientists like gary nolan and others they don't call them ufo crashes they call them gifts why do they call gifts. They are Trojan horses. And the reality soon is about to the great close.

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And then at that point, once we don't have that level of reaction that could jeopardize their intention, you know, that's why they're so scared. That's why Peter Thiel is scared. That's why they are building the Palantir control all over us in every single state of the planet. This big brother that is overly obsessed with control. It is overly obsessed with control because the moment in which the disclosure is finally revealed, there would be problems. Now, in my book, in chapter 4, I revealed the surveys that were conducted. You know, in the 90s, you have the Alexander religious survey. It was conducted, though, by who? By John B. Alexander and by his wife, the abductee, Victoria Alexander. You know who these people are? Alexander is the guy from the Man of Stair of Goats, one of the guys from Project Stargate. Colonel Alexander. his wife did the serbi and we should you know the serbi said that there will be no problem because the americans are you know good enough to take that revelation with the no they went into the specific of every single religious denomination then in 2008 reverend peters from the lutheran american church did another serbi it's called the peter serbi and same kind of result officially But then non-officially, the same people and their friends are claiming there will be a great danger for them, especially, I think, once the truth is revealed. So, yeah, the Serbis now are actually used by the Jesuits. A month ago, when Guy Consolmagno did a video about Disclosure Day of Steven Spielberg, he referred to the Peter survey of 2008 and said, Oh, well, the Serbis states that in the end, people can take this revelation. There will be no problem for the religious, you know. The thing, though, is that, and they all admit that, that once the disclosure is in effect, people will not go to their political leaders. They will go to their religious leaders. That's why this book is so relevant.

Excellent, man. um man i want to i gotta ask the well we're bringing in for a close leo and i have to ask you this is a question that we ask everybody it always actually yields it's a simple question yields fascinating responses um given how long you've been doing this given where we are now all the things that you've been through all of the work and the time that you've dedicated to

this topic are you having fun currently i'm free free of doing my work which is for me fun In the sense that when I was in Europe, I was, you know, currently, I'm free of writing, I'm protected by the First Amendment, I'm now an American citizen, and I'm also, you know, I can have with the Second Amendment, I can carry myself again and not have any problem. in Europe I didn't have these freedoms and so I'm currently happy because I'm free of doing my work I don't have the limitations I had back in Europe, the persecution and that makes me of course happy when you are locked up tortured and literally threatened left, right and center and you find yourself in America in America you can really appreciate real freedom if you are not American I guess when you are American you are born in it and so you don't really get to appreciate it I appreciate it because I saw what it means to not have that freedom in Italy they think they have freedom but there is a series of laws that have been kept since the fascist times even after the war you can get arrested for simply writing an article that goes against a politician or the Vatican you can get literally arrested for writing a book in Italy. Imagine that. It's like, you know, during... the pandemic fortunately i was here in california i was watching people that in the center of rome were said that they had to walk in this way rather than that way by the police not driving their car but literally walking in a direction rather than another or when they went out of the house they had to write to where they were going this kind of things north korea i was like and i was like saying to the Italians, you're insane. This level of control is insane. You should overthrow your government tomorrow morning. Nothing. Passive. And now that the whole pandemic is almost forgotten, and when, you know, Tulsi Gabbard comes on the last day and says, well, Fauci is involved, deep state, they invested in one, and nobody says anything. It's like, okay, yes, let's move on. Let's move on. There is people who died. This is people who suffered for this biological warfare. And you are telling me, ah, okay, nothing to see here. It's really, I mean, I'm happy because I'm alive. That's it.

Yeah, yeah. I love that, man. I love that answer, dude.

Well, look, Leo, this was a fantastic conversation. I want to thank you for your time that you spent with us here and for the work that you've done over these years. and before we get out of here I want to be able to remind everybody who's listening where they because you've said a lot of fascinating stuff and you've told us chapters and things of that nature where these things are talked about in your books so where can people find these books?

Okay, you can find of course all my latest book and my latest articles as you're showing on Leo's which is my website and of course you can also find the links there with all my latest books which are provided at the end of each article and of course you can also find them on Amazon so I think you will find a lot of food for thought in my website which is now actually celebrating 10 years it was open originally much earlier but then it suffered a series of consequences because of my disclosure work wasn't really aligning with the powers to be So they tried to shut my website over and over again. But it's been now 10 years that and I hope it stays there. But if not, you have my books. They are always there for you. And I said, you get them on paper. Now, this book you can get on paper, you can get on hardcover, but you can also get on Kindle. The problem with Kindle that I have is, yes, I'm always wanting people get also a backup on paper because we don't know the future of Kindle with the AI and being scraped off the map from one day to another. So I'm glad that you gave me this possibility with your audience because I tell you there's very few shows, even though it's quite weird. Now, this book last week at one point was number one in the bestsellers of UFOs. You know, you expect all kinds of people to invite you on their shows. Very few people, except for my friends. Interesting. Okay, well, we'll refer you to some people. The situation never replied.

very interesting i'd like to see a conversation between him and uh paranoid american that would

that would be fantastic also we'd love to if there's anything you'd ever like to discuss again i mean we only had you for an hour and a half and and obviously you know you're dealing with decades of work here um so we'd love to have you back this book is you know the rising

fall of frankist monster is you know about jeffrey epstein and the sabbatian frankist it was the first book to ever discuss his alignment with the sect and his involvement, the family milieu the background, you know which by the way in the end connects with this book because the megagroup of Les Wexner Steven Spielberg was a member

well we'll have to send you an email because I'd love to have you back to discuss this it was a pleasure out there, Leo. It was a pleasure.

Please send me a link when you post it all over the internet. So for the great success of this show and you carry on yourself as you're doing because you're doing a great

job. Thank you. Same to you, Leo. I appreciate your time. All right. Have a good

day, man. And guys, until next time, don't forget to obey, submit, and comply. We'll see you later.

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