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welcome back ladies and gentlemen to another episode of nephilim death squad i am david lee corbo aka the raven that is top lobster the father of disinformation what's up guys before we get into today's guest a little reminder a great place to support us patreon.com forward slash nephilim death squad sign up there gain early access to episodes before the general public ad-free listening experiences access to communities on telegram on twitter and on discord it's always so hard to remember where those probably probably facebook i don't know maybe they're there too also discount codes off of merchandise from toplobsta.com where not only you're going to find all of our merch but you're also going to find tickets to brohemian grove that is august 8th in wildwood florida performances from all the familiar faces from basically the show's history all the friends that we've made are going to be there it's we may have like some extra extra special guests coming i mean it's just getting well we definitely have an extra special secret guests yeah that we can't uh disclose who they're going to be but you're not going to want to miss this go and get your tickets to the general admission day august 8th wildwood florida bohemian grove on top lobster.com joining us today is william blesch will it's a pleasure to have you before we get into this conversation let's talk about what it is you focus on and where people

can find your work? First of all, thank you so much for having me to begin with. Where people can find me, they can find me at williamblesch.com. Blesch is B-L-E-S-C-H.com. And then on Facebook, I'm like, I just got done telling you guys I'm super approachable. People can just put up my name into the search bar and boom, voila, there I am. So. Well, I'm very excited to get into this

conversation uh almost serendipitously serendipitously that's not the correct application of the word we'll just pretend it is can we all pretend it is uh by by happenstance there we go um this morning i was doing a little bit like really kind of cursory study on uh goliath and how you know can i guess how like this conversation went in your head sure did he say something like i bet you i can kill him no i did not say i bet you i can kill him uh although that was a lot of the conversation i was reading you know posts from people that were saying in some of the earliest manuscripts i guess maybe the dead sea scrolls uh goliath is said to have only been uh six nine while later translations uh come up to nine nine nine foot nine inches and of course if he's six nine then there's a bunch of people on the internet speculating like well i think i probably could have killed him as well uh so you know it's a fascinating conversation and one that comes up often here, but I don't know that we've ever gone into a tremendous amount of detail. So Will, where do you want to start this conversation?

I am okay with starting it wherever you guys want to start it. There's so many different things that I talk about in the book itself that it's a really rich subject for exploration. So

I'm easy. Well, let's do this then. What compelled you to create the book? I mean, what is the seed that then blooms into this this tree that is your book okay so the book itself is

called in the shadow of goliath right and the whole concept it's kind of like um a metaphor for where i think we are today goliath

was representative he was a remnant of the nephilim right and these were hybrid beings that were created through an unholy union between angelic beings and human women and it was not sanctioned by god these were rebels you know basically cosmic rebels uh non-human entities right? And they did something that was against the divine order. And that rebellion was really like, um, expressed verbally, um, in the things that Goliath happened to say when he's standing there against Israel and against David, all this, all the boasting, uh, and all of the arrogance and the anger and the hatred that he was expressing against Yahweh, the God of Israel. It's something that has never actually gone away. Goliath himself was defeated and got his head cut off, but that same rebellion is still here. It's still active in the world today. And all of us have been born right into the middle of this ongoing cosmic war and we're standing in the shadow of that evil that's what that's that's that's the concept behind the the title and the overarching um like direction for the investigations that i undertook that's a familiar concept this

idea that we're almost experiencing the echoes of that very moment um when ecclesiastes says there's nothing new under the sun that's something that we can't get out of our mouths we're saying that constantly on this show in fact recently with the revelations regarding sort of uh ufo disclosure in the epstein files um you know these these ideas ruffle a lot of feathers and for some people it's paradigm shattering to find out that there are those who are in positions of power who are commuting with you know ancient spirits or ancient gods or that uh there are entities and technologies that are being introduced to mankind and i'm looking at all of it like it's not much of a revelation really it's just the world the world as it's always been i think the thing that's happened instead of these things being revealed to us um that's not really groundbreaking what is groundbreaking is that they managed to obscure the nature of the world from us for so long because all of these things that we're being introduced to currently are echoes of the bible these are just things that uh you know the ancient world seemed to be much more familiar with than we currently are so it's a you hide it from us and then you pull the curtain back and for a lot of people it's like i said paradigm shattering but it's always been the world has

always been that way well can i can i ask a question i this might seem like rudimentary or i don't know kind of stupid but uh biblically i think goliath says that he defies the ranks of israel right and uh but but that is like that's extrapolated i take it also as like i defy the

god of israel is that i believe he does yeah i believe he actually says i defy the god of israel

i think that's actually that's actually a quote yeah i'm trying to remember exactly but it's just it's it's funny because that is very much the attitude of the world today like as you're describing it right now every time i see something that uh flies in the face of i mean i was just explaining to my son unfortunately my son's six and in a game that he's playing they had like rainbow flags and stuff and i had to explain to him like well you know now i have to have this conversation about sexuality with you and explain what it is from this point of view and it i don't know it's just it was it's a bit uncomfortable and i like it's not one that i want to have but in in a sense i'm telling them that well the rainbow seemed to be a promise from god and now it seems to mean something else and it it screams that same thing it's it's an echo from that where i defy the god of israel to now i defy his promise like it's it's just a shadow like a sorry like an echo through time and yeah i think you're right we're dealing we're dealing with this all over again or never stop dealing with it possibly i think that's absolutely true

and i also think going back to what you said a moment ago about uh you know it being paradigm shattering the whole idea of disclosure um the only people i think that is really paradigm shattering too are uber religious people that are uh you know whether they're jews christians they come from a judeo-christian background um but that's based on tradition and

And it's not necessarily based on what the Bible itself actually has to say. There are like the whole idea that, you know, we're alone in the universe and this kind of, that's not what the Bible says. It never says that even one time. And it flat out shows that we are, you know, that there are other beings, non-human entities that are, you know, that they have free will. They come and they deliver messages. And how do we know that they have free will? Well, if there's, if you believe that Satan is an angel and that angel convinced other angels to join into a cosmic rebellion against God, unless you think God ordered these angels to rebel against himself, they chose, they made a choice to go against the king of all creation. right and so we have these non-human entities who were around before humanity existed who were around actually before the earth was created because in the book of job it says the morning stars saw the creation of the earth and they sang together for joy when it happened when god created it. So you have these super ancient beings who are not from earth, who are not us, and who are as intelligent as us. Some of them look like us, and you know that they have free will just like we do. So if you understand that, then the Bible itself already provides a framework for understanding the fact that, hey, we're not alone in the universe. So when somebody else comes along and says, you have some president or some other, you have the Pope, whoever, comes along and says, we have indisputable evidence that mankind is not alone in the universe. Okay. You know, that's how I think Christians should actually respond to that. The whole idea of disclosure right now would be like, okay we already knew that because the bible already presents the evidence for it what do

you think then when you hear that that kind of sentiment right so so obviously the bible there's so many different entities in the bible you have uh powers and thrones and dominions and archangels and cherubim and seraphim this like list goes on and on devils demons unclean spirits nephilim if you really started to draw all of the different things out of the bible you would find yourself with a handful uh of different terminologies that have nothing to do with humans um and yet the narrative that's unfolding is resoundingly christians are going to have a hard time with this i mean that's what we keep getting over and over again steven spielberg maybe the best uh example of it specifically christians and it's not like people aren't saying well buddhists buddhists are going to have a hard time with it you know what i mean like it's yeah i understand

what you didn't have but i like i do think some christians not not all christians like i i don't like calling myself a christian i like i don't like labels um but i do consider myself to be a follower of yeshua of nazareth the one in the gospels right not the new age version

one not the christ conscious one that's right did master one specifically under the living god yeah

that's exactly right um but when i like flat out man like there there are going to be some people and i like i said before i do think they are uh more likely to be like the very traditional um christians and jews as well who have been brought up with church doctrine rather than getting into the Bible for themselves, reading the source texts for themselves. And yeah, I think that's the biggest issue. The Bible says that my people perish for lack of knowledge and people rely on their pastors. They rely on their Sunday school stuff. They rely on anything except sitting their butts down in a chair and reading God's word for themselves and getting an understanding of it and asking god to reveal himself to them personally through what they're reading you know and i i think that's a that's a huge problem and for those people it will be a problem when somebody comes around says you know we have evidence that mankind is not the only you know intelligence higher intelligence in the universe they're gonna be like well god didn't say

anything about this in the Bible. God didn't create any other, you know, uh, being to, to rule planet earth. And to that, I would be like, yep, that's true. He didn't create any other being to rule planet earth, but it doesn't say anything else about the heavens. You know, there's, so there's a lot of, of, um, issues that arise from tradition and from church doctrine, things that have arisen over time that Jesus never said, Moses never said, you know, none of, none of the prophets ever said. There's a lot of extrapolation and personal interpretations which have been imposed onto the text rather than letting the text interpret the text, if you understand what

I mean. Do you think that that's done, I agree with you, you think it's done purposefully or do you think that the modern church has just kind of slid into that over many years? No, I think it

is a development that that began um a long long time ago and i i think honestly that it is uh the result of some you would say in like traditional church circles you'd say it's demonic i would say it's probably some angelic you know fallen angel uh on orders from the main rebel dude began talking or whispering into the ears of certain theologians and their interpretations of scripture began to change and there and when it changed those things became popular and they you know they'd be trying to eat healthy our fresh daily

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They became doctrine. And for an example, on the Jewish side of things in the Middle Ages, you had this particular rabbi who today is considered one of the towering figures in Orthodox Judaism. His name was Moses Maimonides. He's or he's also called Rambam. well he was very steeped in greek rationalism and he got he he like that was the zeitgeist it was like people were tired of having these supernatural explanations for everything and they wanted basically to to have a more rational explanation and so if you couldn't see it touch it you know hear it, whatever, it's not actually real. So then what he does is he began writing biblical commentaries and he's taking a look at, uh, scriptures of, you know, like when, uh, Abraham had the three guys who visited him, uh, at the Oak of Mamre, right? You have these two angels and the Lord. Well, according to him, according to Rambam, like these kinds of things, they didn't actually really happen it was a vision or it was a dream or it was something caught you know god caused abraham to have this revelation inside his mind or it was all allegorical it didn't right none of it actually really happened right and he began writing these kinds of things he was majorly influential because he took these greek ideas about angels about the supernatural uh the greek rationalist thought in particular and he began writing all of this stuff in hebrew so it began to be like um he gave it a kind of legitimacy by taking these pagan ideas and then presenting them to the jewish community in some in the language that they're familiar with and comfortable with right then other certain other rabbis began saying some of the same things interestingly though there was he had a major nemesis named nachmanides who was who called who basically said that it was forbidden to believe anything that rambam wrote because it was so he recognized it for what it was right it's like this is not that's not the right interpretation that's not what

the bible says i mean it dramatically changes fundamentally changes everything it's absolutely

how important this guy was and i'm realizing it now i was born in a hospital named after him really yeah in brooklyn so he's still yeah i guess yeah rambam he'd be he was he was declared

a heretic during his own lifetime and so it's super ironic that he went on to become one of the most influential uh rabbis ever since the since the middle ages well around that same time on the christian side of things some of the church fathers began doing the same thing people like thomas aquinas they began right in their writings they began saying some of the exact same things that rambam was saying on the jewish side of things and so what i personally think was going on is that there was a spiritual influence. There was a spiritual move to begin obfuscating what scripture actually says. And the lay people, nobody goes around and actually studies this stuff for themselves. They're like, well, what does the commentary say? And so they'll go and they'll start reading the church fathers, or they'll start going and reading the Jewish sages. And instead of, and there, don't get me wrong, I do think that there's value in commentary on both the Jewish side and on the Christian side of things. There were guys who did listen to God, and there were guys who had very logical explanations for the things that they were commenting on within Scripture. But not everybody was like that. And there were guys who inserted particular theologies into the theological stream of thought that was going on. And those things began to sway the—it was like a wind that began to sway the opinions of the masses until you had these church leaders and synagogue leaders who solidified into church doctrine particular ideas that are just flat-out not biblical whatsoever. And so today, you have ideas like, by the way, I go over this in my book, I actually show like, you know, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, tuck, step by step by step. uh you know church doctrinal statements across the board from the catholic church to the eastern orthodox churches uh to the coptic churches the ethiopian church uh charismatic churches protestant churches like tons and tons and the doctrinal statements across the board agree that for example uh angels are completely incorporeal in nature yeah and they are without and not this the second part is not across the board but it's it's in a lot of churches

and seminaries the idea that angels don't have free will but it's part of church doctrine in lots and lots of places and those those two those two things right there are flat out contradicted in scripture itself over and over and over again and i i go over that in the book as well and i basically lay out a case for that and that's actually like really important it's important to understand where uh tradition and doctrine actually does contradict scripture because what scripture provides is an accurate picture of the reality that we all exist in that we were born into and what these church doctrines and synagogue doctrines as well have done uh you know they they have changed things to such a degree that we have an a false view of the world that we live in in the universe that we live in and so what i wanted to do is you know set out to correct some of that stuff how can you fight a war how can you occupy yeah how can you stand firm and lift God, you know, lift high God's holy standard. If you're busy trying to do it with a worldview that is just, you know, you're going to have the enemy just standing there

laughing at you. Yeah. Cause you're not, you're not effective. That's looking at the situation. It's, I don't want to attribute malice, right. To these, to these church fathers or these, these intellectuals who, you know, interpreted scripture that way. I don't think it's any one man's fault i i go more to what you were saying where there is this spirit um that whispers in the ears of man and and it's it's actually quite clever because what ends up happening is you strip the supernatural worldview entirely and

You know, we are in the West in a materialistic paradigm with the sciences and you almost have cast the same spell over the biblical narrative. Is this more materialistic view? And the world never stopped being supernatural. In fact, what drew me to the Bible was supernatural experiences. And I would go out and find testimony from other individuals who had supernatural experiences. And through that, I was able to parse together this greater picture that pointed to the Bible, that pointed to Scripture. And the reason I say that it's so clever is because if you can do that, well, it seems that we're in this time where we're going to reintroduce the supernatural. But you first had to decouple it from the biblical narrative in order to cast this great illusion over people where once you reintroduce the supernatural worldview, you know, in a really aggressive way, if they're going to do disclosure or any of these things that are going to come to pass. Or let's say you've got, like we talked about earlier, the Epstein files and and what's going on. Are they worshiping Moloch? And that's a little bit hard to decouple from the biblical narrative. Right. Because obviously you have Moloch in the Old Testament. Yeah, mentioned directly. So that's going to be a hard one for them to pull off. And to me, these spirits that they're worshiping are directly connected to whatever we're going to get in disclosure. But my point is, if you can decouple it, make that supernatural element absent in the biblical narrative, reintroduce the supernatural, people are not going to be able to bridge that gap. i mean some will obviously but it's going to be very advantageous for the enemy uh to obscure its origins and to give us something entirely different through the lens of sci-fi or whatever

this is a again i hate bringing up this this argument we had a debate with timothy alberino recently and we got sidetracked uh with i guess the physical nature of angels like we we asked him to define uh define a demon i think and that took 45 minutes yeah that was a whole thing but But it ended up where you were talking about here with this materialistic view of what the prophets were seeing at the time, whether it's Ezekiel's wheel or maybe even he didn't discuss Abraham seeing the three the three angel God and the two angels.

I think we even got onto that idea of the angels and a sexual drive and whether or not that's even possible because they're non corporeal. I forget exactly how that went.

But he was he was just saying that that's every time that that happens, that's purely allegorical. allegorical and i was like yeah i don't adhere to that because i read the bible and i believe what the bible says i don't pick and choose when there's allegory and for me i'm watching people

in modern time have supernatural experiences that i do not believe are allegorical in any way shape or form and i believe there's biblical context for those experiences yeah so okay trying to eat

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like a tug with him but it does make sense because then he went on to explain that there was an example that he gave which was interesting and it came from a jewish rabbi uh discussing miraz oh yeah yeah okay so yeah his interpretation from uh this this rabbi was that miraz was a planet and the planet decided to remain neutral in a battle against israel but the commentaries that i've read and from what i understand it seems like mirage is a place and they just remain neutral and god was like yeah it was like neutrality yeah yeah okay so that there's there's actually two

two things here all right um first of all i i'm not i'm not exactly familiar with the the conversation that you guys had with timothy albarino but he is right there is a rabbinic precedent for the idea that mirage is either a planet or a star system okay and that is inhabited by um intelligent beings that are not human okay and the truth like the the second thing is that there is also commentary that makes mirage just a you know there's debate over whether mirage is a physical location somewhere in the levant somewhere probably around where i live um with like near the quichon river um there's also debate about whether or not so basically it was like uh

It could have been a village, like a town or whatever, where its citizens did not come to the aid of the Lord in battle. The problem with that view is that there is zero archaeological evidence for this particular – if Meraz was a town within one of Israel's locations, nobody has ever found it, right? and there's no found no uh mentions of it nothing it's like a ghost on the other hand the uh there's a ton of commentary surrounding the idea that this was a planet or a star system there's stuff written about it in the talmud there's stuff written about it in commentary and i believe there's also i don't quote me on this one but i also think there's some stuff about it in

mystical texts as as well yeah the rabbi he referred to was uh like a he was into jewish

mysticism i believe he said kabbalah might be talking about aria kaplan maybe rabbi aria

kaplan i'll get back to you on i don't want to butcher the name it was okay no no worries on

that. But the truth is that there, there are multiple interpretations for, uh, what mirage is or where mirage might happen to be, um, what that reference is talking about in the book of judges. Um, and also within, in the prophets, there's references back to the book of judges, um, which is like the whole reference. It talks about how the stars fought in their course. uh and the stars fought from heaven and that's within the song of deborah um so there there are hints that there is you know potentially other inhabited stars somewhere in our 3d universe that we all know and love and there are multiple um jewish organizations today that have that you know i actually talk about them in my book as well uh that some of them are uh ash.com um chabad talks about it um there so there's there's num you know a few different places where you can get more information about that concept do i say that this is like hands down for sure there's you know aliens around a star named miraz no because i like it everything that that uh is there is that that's within scripture um those are potential hints but there's there's like to me you would you'd have to have more evidence to be able to concretely say one way or the other but i do say i do think that there is you know i think it's there's enough there that's worth another, like some deeper exploration. Like personally, I would love to,

sorry, go ahead. No, because I'm just, my, my holdup with the idea that we were going back and forth was not necessarily that it's a planet or anything like that. I think it's, even if it is, maybe, maybe it's a, like kind of a King of Tyre idea where it is a planet is a place. And it's like a, an example used to talk about neutrality with, with between God, when he's at war. I was just wondering if like that idea of taking interpretations from mystical text or extra biblical text, then leads you down the road to looking at angels as being allegorical. You see that kind of like...

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No. For me, I don't see angels as allegorical at all. That's actually something very interesting is that there are particular streams of Christianity as well as Judaism that are – I hate to say this because it makes me sound political. But most of the people who tend to view these kinds of things as super allegorical.

metaphorical blah blah blah and not actual literal beings um they tend to be on the super left end of the political spectrum and are you know you have uh like certain progressive christian churches these days unitarian churches there's like a lot of these kinds of things that that deny, um, the, the corporeality of angels, but also of like tons of other things, you know, like miracles and that kind of thing. Um, and on the Jewish side, the reform movement in the United States and the UK, uh, and in Germany, they are complete. It's basically like the whole thing, the whole Bible, everything is just there to help you lead a good moral, ethical life. And that's it it's just a bunch of cultural you know cultural stories i've been telling david the last couple of

weeks and don't worry about getting political this is like a conspiracy show or whatever but there is an interesting correlation between right wing left wing um christian even like pagan ideas and and you can almost extrapolate from where you land on the political spectrum maybe not even democrat or republican or whatever you want to call it but progressive versus conservative it does lean toward certain ideologies, and they're actually quite predictable. So what you're saying is spot on. I don't know why. And it's not for me to make the assumption why,

but I do know that. Well, it does seem that if you can loosen up the Bible to be mostly allegorical, then you can bend the rules. Yeah, you can make it mean whatever you want it to mean, basically. Yeah. And that's where you get, you know, phenomenon like, you know, I'm sure it's out there i'm not making a particular example but like an all trans church or something you know insane like that these things do exist statistically statistically it's got to exist at some point so um and you see these videos all the time uh uh of of the most insane sort of ideas i forget

one of them i just brought an nasb bible because i don't read what's nasb uh new american standard it's supposed to be like the closest word for word rather than king james yep that is actually

what I quote almost, almost exclusively in, in my book, precisely for that, for that reason.

You doing the 95 or the 2020? 95. Okay. That's the one I brought accidentally. So good. I was reading through it and I was like, this one seems like, you know, versus the NIV, it's, it's easy to read. And the King James is a little bit, it could get a little poetic, but this one seemed more, it seemed to resonate with me but yeah reading the bible and understanding what it says not just scripture by scripture because i could open up a you know the bible right now and read one scripture and it could mean 15 things but it's like well what was the context what was said before and after and what were the the authors actually trying to say to the time period people that they were writing it to

it's absolutely absolutely so good good job man we're trying we're trying well i want to i want

to ask you something because of a tweet that i saw of yours um not too long ago and i might be misremembering it but it was this i think it was on the topic of of jesus's uh jewishness and what i've recognized recently is this phenomenon that i've been watching from a distance and initially i was in it and so so what i mean by that is um the jews are a hot button issue. Suddenly the crimes of Israel or the Jews are on full display and everyone is acting as if this is a new thing. Whereas biblically speaking, there's no shortage of the Jews going towards the Lord and then going towards paganism or adhering to God's will and then disappointing God. And I think that's really the story of humanity. But it took me a little while to get there, I was on this sort of train for a little bit where I'm going, wait a second, they're doing what? They're controlling this. What about Israel and the disproportionate representation in American government, all these things? And then I pulled back. And the reason I pulled back is because I saw all of these masses suddenly moving in that direction. I said, no, this doesn't feel organic. And I thought to myself, why would this be happening? Why would this be happening? And then i saw a very interesting phenomenon take place in the last year let's say and that is well now jesus since he is jewish right since he is in the line of judah um and since he is called rabbi therefore this entire thing is a psychological operation it's interesting right because jesus is

completely inseparable from his Jewish heritage as a human being so it's like now these people that really have this

against jews either have to make him irish or yeah uh yeah i know but you have to do something with it you have to or you have to or the even worse right they just they discard completely

exactly right so you either change who jesus christ is which then throws the whole bible out or you you go in rebellion against him because therefore he is part of this the machination of the great jewish psyop and i went oh my god is that the is that one of the points is that the i mean i can't see a greater um sort of deception that that would serve than to have people fall away from jesus christ because you know because he is jewish or to change him which is effectively the same thing, right? That is Antichrist. To have anyone other than Jesus of the line of Judah, of the house of David, the son of the living God who came and died for our sins and overcame death, like anybody other than that guy is a total miss and therefore is Antichrist. Are you seeing this

or are we being hyperbolic? No, I don't think you're being hyperbolic, but I also don't think that it's something strange. I think the Bible says this kind of thing is going to happen in the last days. You know, the world is going to turn against Israel at some point, everybody. And the nations are going to come up against Israel. And Israel has got to learn that its only hope is the Lord. You know, leaning on America is exactly the same. And I don't intend to insult anyone. I like, I believe America has been Israel's greatest ally since it was reestablished in 1948, hands down. But leaning on America is exactly the same thing as when Israel leaned on Egypt. One of the, one of the prophets, it says that, you know, you're leaning on Egypt, trusting in Egypt's strength, but Egypt is a reed that's going to break under your weight when you lean on him and when he breaks, it's going to wound you, you know, and the Lord alone is supposed to be our King, our salvation, our shield. And most, most Israelis, um, don't understand that they'd like, you got all the tradition and everything, but, and there don't, don't get me wrong there are some who do get it but there's a lot most and most don't most people right now see donald trump as like this almost a messianic figure and there i'd like i've i've talked to um my family back in some of my family who still live in the states and i was like man you didn't see what i saw in 2016 there were billboards in jerusalem that had trump plastered all over it with the words in hebrew israel welcomes the man of peace there was that song the super trump song it was like yeah and there and there there there are tons of of people who see um you know what what trump has done what america has done in helping us against some pretty bad odds uh from the countries surrounding us and they're like he man he's you know he he's king cyrus who by the way is he's like the reincarnated king cyrus kind of thing you know He has the spirit of King Cyrus, who was a Persian king who allowed the Jews to move back from Persia to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, right? And let him come back to the land of Israel.

I got a gold coin with Trump on one side and King Cyrus on the other. Oh, wow. Okay. Somebody sent it to us, and I was like, this is actually really great.

That's pretty cool. but like uh that you know king cyrus is the only non-jew in scripture who is called a messiah who is called the lord's anointed and people look at donald trump and they they have the same attitude about him and right now people are pretty ticked off because they were like we should have gone in And we should have ended the, you know, the Iranian regime. And because we didn't do that, we lost. And I that's honestly the way I see things right now, too. It's possible Trump will pull something off, you know, after the midterms in America. And there will be some like really.

amazing deal. Who knows? But the fact of the matter is that at some point, I think even America is going to turn its back on Israel and Israel will have to go it alone. And some really bad stuff might end up happening before people turn and say, blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. And because when that happens, the real Messiah is going to come and all Israel and the rest of the planet that has put its trust in him, they're going to everybody that that's when salvation actually happens. Right. That's when the redemption actually occurs. And right now, Israel doesn't recognize that.

so yeah it's it's painful man we were we were just reading well i was reading through that also uh the uh the gen in genesis uh story of joseph where his brothers don't recognize him you want to tell

that like that allegory it's just oh it was an interesting thing i'm sure people have addressed this before but i don't i don't make a habit of looking at scriptural scholars or or anybody yet be you know my walk is is new i guess you could say in in the amount of years that i've been here

i guess yeah i can't i'll tell you this before you tell the story but like i've been a christian my whole life i kind of came away from uh the church and christianity because it just didn't make sense but honestly the the nephilim stuff the supernatural stuff brought me back into it because it made it more uh understandable and real especially the old testament and david wasn't a christian at all so the last three years that we've been doing this show it's been like a a rapid developmental growth and uh it's like a hyper crash course a crash course

yeah yeah because because we decided or not that we made the conscious decision to do it but what

ended up happening because of this show is that well our first episode right we had a guy coming on saying that the bible is just like a zoroastrological yeah and it's like christ consciousness

the 33 vertebrae christos all that and it was a fun episode but we had a decision right there

we were like okay uh we can go this way we can go that way and i was like i don't really like what

that guy said so let's go the other way yeah for me too i had so much to learn i wasn't ready to just say okay it's allegorical it's just about the stars just because of one episode would have

been foolish i think it is about the stars too but yeah i think because everything that's the

nature of the reality that we inhabit is is god's word is you know in a lot more places than just

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This book, but, you know, as soon as you start reducing it in any way, shape, or form.

Can I say just one thing to go back to what we were talking about? In terms of this movement of even, you know, a lot of Christians right now are questioning whether they should be supporters of Israel and blah, blah, blah, and that sort of thing right now. And one of the things, and I'm not going to argue that you should be. I mean, I personally am. i consider myself a zionist uh but the the bottom line okay whether you think israel is controlled by fake jews kazarians uh any any of those kinds of things or jews control the banks or the jews control this government or that every government on planet earth. It doesn't matter. What matters is what Jesus did. And every single one of us should be focusing on that. And not, you know, you should also be remembering that as believers, there's not any other human on this planet that we are supposed to be considering our blood enemy. right there we wrestle not against flesh and blood you know there's against principalities and powers and against the rulers of this present darkness and there's not just that, but Jesus died for everybody. He died for the Kazarians, you know? So if I'm a Kazarian and I don't know it and I'm just totally deceived or who cares? Yeah. He's the, he's, he is the reason any of us have access to the throne of God. And you know, that that's, that's the bottom line. He is, he should be our focus, right? We shouldn't be focusing on who we think is doing us wrong by the way pray for your enemies you know turn the other cheek do good to them who despitefully use you this kind of thing even if you think the jews are your

enemies you should be praying for them and well the god you know brings them to himself the problem in not being rooted in scripture and thinking the jews are your enemy is like okay go ahead then play that out where does that go what what are you gonna do they're the root of all the evil and they're okay so what are you gonna do next because that's that's the question that nobody wants to ask themselves yeah and the other thing that i've realized is you know when it comes to this idea of like blessing israel um i don't uh i'm not a political person you know i i never have been uh and i'm not going to uh fund you know willingly i mean i went over my tax dollars or but i'm not going to say like the government of israel can do no wrong and benjamin netanyahu is infallible and yada yada yada like i pray i don't think anybody should say that i mean i don't say that i i pray i live here um you know everybody this is blanket doesn't matter if it's israel anybody i pray that they realize that jesus christ is the way the truth and the life and that they come into a relationship with the one true god and like that's that to me that is that's the definition of a blessing right to curse you would be to say i hope this happens to you or that happens to you or the government of israel or the people of israel like no no i pray that everybody finds that jesus christ is the truth and is the son of god and is the way to salvation and that's the same thing for anybody that's in israel it's the same thing for anybody who calls himself a jew you know whether or not it's messianic jews who believe that jesus is the way and they're you know out trying to preach the gospel to uh the ones who don't but that's that's like you know when they say to bless israel like that's the ultimate blessing is that not is that not the ultimate blessing is for you to come into a relationship with the one true god like that's

you know like you were saying i mean that's that solves a lot of these problems it solves all the

problems it solves all the problems so i think i think there there is there is like a caveat to that, I think, because there's people like John Calvin, for example, who, you know, that, excuse me, not John Calvin, Martin Luther, who was, when he was young, he was very into, you know, missionizing the Jewish community. And he was very, his early writings were very loving towards the jews and and this sort of thing but when many jews you know rebuffed him and that sort of thing he became extremely angry and bitter and his later writings were so vitriolic that the nazis ended up using them as part of their propaganda uh when they came to power and so you have i i think that there's a danger in thinking that uh you know missionizing jews is the only thing that we got to do and then when jesus saves them everything's going to be hunky-dory the truth is most jews are not going to until god pulls right the veil away from their eyes and that's something that he has to do it's not something that any one of us can you know it's it's not within our power and the truth is it's not within the power of any of us to to actually save any other person jew or non-jew that's up to god himself and so i i just think that's one clarifying

well that's like you plan to see but god determines whether or not it grows can you

yeah so the story of joseph is what you're saying where when when you were reading it to us i was like man this is like an old testament story that we know is read by jews but they miss it and it's

Like it's a shadow of Christ. This idea that that Joseph, you know, when he when his father, when Jacob thinks or when Israel thinks that he is dead because his brothers sell him into slavery and they, you know, they bring back his robes and they're covered in goat's blood. And so he's under the impression that his son is dead. And it's fascinating because when they meet Joseph again, all those years later in Egypt, much like Jesus, they didn't like the disciples didn't recognize Jesus. They didn't recognize their own brother. They didn't recognize.

joseph and when they start to you know when they finally do realize it's him when he reveals himself to them and you know they're all wrought with emotion because of this thing that they they've done to him he tells them that they did not do this thing that that god allowed this thing he made this thing happen so that joseph could go ahead into egypt and and make the path for his

family which is very similar to jesus christ saying no man well jesus comes out of egypt as well it's it's it's just bizarre there's so many shades and shadows of this yeah it's like how do you continue how do you miss this but there has to be a veil but when jesus says no man takes my

life i give it willingly in accordance with the father you know to to do what to make a path a narrow path for his family for for us who are onto the vine for everybody so it's like it's the same exact not the same exact thing but it's so i somebody even brought to my attention that when joseph is is imprisoned um that he is in there with the cup bearer and a baker right the wine and the bread which is foreshadowing of of two of jesus's so it's like there is uh you know there's prophecy that's obviously pointing to christ but then there's prophecy that's not so obviously pointing to Christ. In fact, I don't know if you would call that prophecy. Is it

foreshadowing a prophecy? I don't think it's a picture. I think it's a, it's a, it's, it is definitely a picture of, uh, something that's mirrored, right? Yeah. And there's things there, there are, uh, historical events that do get mirrored throughout scripture. And I, I, I'm not exactly sure what you would call that either but i do think it's a very fascinating sort of thing

it's incredible i mean i i'm sitting there reading that and i'm like oh my god like that's you could read that and it goes right over your and i'm sure people have picked that out before um but there's so many people contributing to the conversation there's so much that you could miss at any given time but yeah it was directly foreshadowing uh the coming of christ and everything that christ was going to do you know preparing the way for his family and and the bread and the wine and and not being recognized by the disciples like it was and and in some ways i mean how long is the story of joseph really it's a a couple of few chapters yeah it's very short and um so you know in the grand scheme of things such a short story about such an important moment and that's what god saw fit to preserve um that you know that chunk within those chapters that's hugely important i agree it's just very interesting so i want to um i want to move the conversation back to uh back to your your books um okay and we were talking about this this idea of the shadow of goliath and how it is the shadow of so many things that we're currently experiencing right um the echoes maybe when you hear you know and i know these are a bit unfounded it's unproven but not long ago we had um this moment a couple of weeks where suddenly the internet is erupting with this sentiment of hybrid programs taking place deep underground right so um matt gates famously brings it up and then i believe anna paulina luna goes on to expand on it um she is one of the main characters that are moving the ball along down the field when it comes to disclosure but that idea of hybridization programs in deep underground military bases once again is something that

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gig speeds and gig unlimited mobile taxes and fees excluded from price lock mobile data speeds reduced after 20 gigs the average person might not connect to scripture uh but in my opinion what else is a nephilim if not a hybrid and so i think that that hybridization element is biblical and has been a constant and is now re-emerging you know under the guise of uh of alien phenomenon what do you make of it well i think first of all i think we should back up just

a little bit because there are so many people out there who have this idea that when there is this when there is disclosure that whoever these aliens are the vast majority of them anyway are benevolent There are space brothers. They are you know, they just want us to ascend, you know, and this kind of thing. And it totally flies in the face. It's like people, for whatever reason, completely ignore things like the idea of these women who are being forcibly bred underground and deep underground bases for the purposes of uh you know creating some hybrid species um first of all that's rape if that's actually happening right assault you know and all the people who have been abducted the hundreds of thousands of people who claim to have been abducted throughout the last 50 years alone to me that's that's not that's not benevolent that is somebody else treating you like you're a lab rat or treating you like uh they don't have any respect for your autonomy for your agency for your uh free will you know they are uh that that's that is an act of violence against our species right and it's something that if any one of us did it uh we would be incarcerated and then taken to court and judged. So I don't think any of that is of these particular experiences or beings who are conducting these kinds of things. I don't think there's anything good that's part of that. I don't think that they have any moral lessons to teach us if they are actively engaged in these kinds of things. But in terms of specifically the Matt Gaetz thing, I watched the video where he was talking about that. And one of the interesting things that I noticed is that there's this guy who apparently comes into his offices or whatever, and he's wearing an american army uniform and he does this whistleblowing thing but you know and whether you know matt gates is protecting the guy the dude's uh you know identity to you know so that he doesn't you know accidentally commit suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head four times um you know if if uh if that's what was going on great but the issue to me with that

is that there is, you got, you got this guy who was a former representative who's had kind of a shady, um, stuff surrounding him, um, before he, he got, you know, before he left office, et cetera. And now he's trying to be back in the news and create, make himself more relevant. I don't know if that's what's going what was going on either but it seems possible to me um the whole thing is that there's no evidence for it's just hearsay right you have some guy that's not even named who comes into his office who he says is a whistleblower so it's all like second or third hand testimony yeah right and to me if you don't have some kind of primary source like what does the bible say let let a thing be established in the mouths of two or more witnesses and these are not anonymous witnesses okay they're they're people who are like i'm staking my reputation on it this happened right um so for me that particular thing about the government being involved in hybrid breeding programs first of all again the whoever the aliens are they're douchebags and second of Well, if our government is complicit in that, who are they?

Cause they're an enemy of the state. Yeah. They're an enemy of the American people. Right. Those, those would be two great questions that, that I would have, which aliens are involved and which government entities are involved. Do you, which individuals do you know, you know, is there any information on that? And if there is, maybe there should be people who are really investigating that. And if there's not, why not? You know? um but for again for me because there's not any like primary sources i tend to be like okay we'll set that on the shelf until there is something more that corroborates that i think that there is way more uh evidence for the fact that people have just been abducted taken on to various craft and that sort of thing because there is hundreds of thousands of people who have made that claim so unless you think hundreds of thousands of people across all socioeconomic lines all demographics um and geographic regions from around the world it's not just in america um if you think that all of that is you know a mass hallucination um or you know a bit of bad mustard somebody ate i just you know it really i think there's more evidence for something like that than there is for a specific claim like matt gates's at this point

yeah the problem with these these kind of claims is that they border that line of like what we want to hear sure versus what the actual truth is so like yeah there is there is possibly a genetic breeding program going on with aliens that are abducting people we know that they're doing a lot of weird stuff with men's semen and anuses and the black eye children yeah i mean yeah well no

you know back in the 90s there was back in the 90s there was a whistleblower for a an air force serviceman named james hall jay charles james hall something like that and he was really uh and i talk i talk about him in in my book but he he brought up this alien species which some have said is maybe like a subspecies of the nordics or you know maybe there's some other species altogether but they're similar in appearance and they're called the tall whites right and they were uh supposedly in the americas before the euro americans called you know colonialists came over um and they set up shop in nevada and there may be the pilots etc of the tic tac um craft or maybe the yeah you know that sort of thing and one of the things that i kind of thought of is because they a very interesting thing is that if you look at any like specifically like reptilian aliens or nordics um not only do people claim that they are from either you know like the the draco star system or from the pleiades um this kind of thing but you go to new age sources and they these same beings are also interdimensional so you have these extraterrestrials who are from a different star system who won't oh by the way they just also happen to be interdimensional and they occupy both spaces at the same time but that's not the case with the tall whites you don't have any kind of uh lore surrounding them that says they're interdimensional it's like they're stuck in this 3d space just like we are and one of the things that i was thinking about and this is just pure speculation on my part but if there is like a hybrid you know uh program that's going on what if they're not from somewhere else what if they're from right here what if the tall whites actually are a hybrid species between us and maybe the nordics or you know something like that um because they again they don't first of all they don't act like us but they have kids and according to this whistleblower you know that he saw them men women or you know male female and little kid tall whites right so if they have biology similar enough to us uh to us um you know where they got to get down and jiggy with it to have kids um that that doesn't sound like at least the traditional um ideas of an angelic species

anyway right so i have some other thoughts on that but in

bottom line is either they could be, uh, an extraterrestrial species. Like maybe they could be from mirage, who knows, or they could be a hybrid species and they are actually from earth,

just like we are. So what do you think about the idea that it's, it's been so long that there would have been a, you know, some measure of success when it comes to diversifying the species. so if the name of the game is just hybridization well then you've got all the technology that you need you've had all the uh the the experience beforehand and to me a lot of and it is speculative it's not strictly biblical speaking um but when you get into this idea of what the earth was like before the flood and and all the potentially different species that inhabited it if you look at all the different pantheons of uh different pagan mythoses they're filled with all sorts of creatures and i just wonder if maybe under cover of darkness the the species that you know are non-human that are i would label them as demonic you know unless it's an angel of the lord coming to you that's identifying itself as such um it seems that over and over again these other experiences they're like inherently deceptive they're spreading them new age uh gnostic gospels they're giving them predictions and their abduction experiences about raping them they're raping them that's a huge one taking them against their will telling them about calamities that are going to come at this date that never come to pass i mean since the 70s 90s yeah bled so once again yeah there's so many of these things um that i i just can't help but wonder if you gotta

of ask why, why, you know, the, the aliens that are channeled, et cetera, why, why are they so concerned with our spiritual evolution? You know, it's a, it's a bit, it's a good question. Why? And how does anybody know that these beings that they are channeling are who they say they are? What's, what is your litmus test? You know? Yeah. These people don't have one. I mean,

I don't think that people are routinely testing these spirits in the name of the Lord. You know, Who do you say that Jesus Christ is anything other than the living God, the son of the living God is is going to be bunk because they do have something to impart. Well, Jesus is real, but is, you know, an ascended master. Jesus is real, but he is a Pleiadian.

Can I can ask you a question? So for people, for for Jewish people that that follow Judaism, how do they how do they?

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perceive aliens how do they even perceive demons in a way because in the old testament demons are never really manifest that's right testament they manifest and then they get kicked out a lot of in a lot of the stories but in the old testament they're kind of behind the scenes like it's mentioned but we never really get witness of it so how do they how do they view that and then how would they view aliens today well i think first of all there's two different

categories okay that you're you're talking about the aliens too in in jewish thought they're they're not demons okay i don't think that they're that they're demons either um and there's very specific reasons for that demons according to jewish literature uh not just the the hebrew scriptures but the like second temple literature especially um you have first of all there you you have the scripture itself from genesis 6 right where the talks about the nephilim and that sort of thing then you have the enochic literature which greatly expands on that

story then you have jewish commentary and you have uh midrashim which are also they're like a way of interpreting scripture that also expands and like provides an a like a deeper view and all of these have references to um the nephilim and where evil spirits and demons actually came from there they According to that literature, demons are the disembodied spirits of the dead Nephilim, okay? They were not—they didn't go to heaven. They've never been to heaven. And in the New Testament, when Jesus kicks out the legion and he sends them into the pigs, what did they say to him? Did you come to torment us before the time? And then they beg him not to send them into the abyss. and they said and like so he you know they asked to go into the herd of pigs and he's like all right he basically has he kind of like has a little bit of mercy on them actually yeah and you're like he's like okay going to the pigs which really is an interesting thing because where they were in israel at the time was near the uh i believe the eastern side of the sea of galilee which was going in towards an area where a lot of non-Jews lived. And the Jews who lived in that area were doing the same things as the non-Jews. They were farming pigs, which was not kosher and was basically against the law of the land. So when he sent the demons into the pigs and the pigs rushed off the cliff and they drowned themselves in the sea of galilee um he kind of like did two things number one he kind of cleansed the land of something that was considered uh an abomination and not just the demons but like physically the pigs the the guys who were farming them were doing something illegal so he got rid of them and that's why all the people in the town were like go away they were pissed off at him because you know he just ruined

half of their livelihood by sending a funny idea to be like well i put the demons in the pigs and

the pigs ran off the cliff so it's interesting i know i don't know the veracity of this but i i have some uh thoughts on why that was a a law in the first place because like if you do eat under under prepared pig there's a risk of trichinosis or different types of uh parasites that you can get and i i think that parasites in your stomach oh yeah can influence your brain your thoughts and that is like almost a form of demonization i would go a step further it's

probably gonna sound crazy but i've come to this conclusion that i think parasites are like a biological conduit for uh demonic possession or oppression like they somehow facilitate the process on a biological uh uh level only because the correlation it comes up you know we get into a lot of testimony um when it comes to supernatural experiences and such uh we have them on the show i make a great habit of listening to them by this point it's been thousands of hours uh that i've been exposed to in one shape or another and the correlation between parasites and demonic oppression or possession comes up constantly then there's some relationship there and i don't think that it it all uh reduces what a demonic encounter or what a demonic uh possession is i don't think that it reduces it to strictly some biological function that is maybe part of a series of hallucinations that's not at all what i'm saying but i am saying there is some coupling there um that that is uh very interesting in fact we have um a company that we used to work with in the past we still do work with them uh it's a parasite company purge store and the owners i've had discussions with the owners and they're right there and they've actually said it uh oh yeah we have some of their stuff here uh they've actually said it to me uh i said i wonder if there's a connection between parasites and demons and they go we wonder that all the time because

that comes up all the time and i go as they produce this stuff yeah there is something there

i'm telling you one of those little threads if you pull on it bears fruit and you and you don't know you don't know what to make of the fruit like no it's kind of like a it's kind of like a

you know like a tangent or a rabbit hole or whatever but there there is something interesting about that and what i think it is if there if like if there is any kind of a connection one of the things that i think most people would agree is that uh you know when god says not to engage in sorcery like that's like using plants or other substances to alter your perception, right? Or to put you into some kind of altered state of consciousness. And why does that, what does it do? It kind of like, it switches, those chemicals switch like a tuning, you know, like tunes your brain into a different frequency something in in uh you know in reality so that you can perceive different um aspects or elements of reality um graham hancock talks about that you know his experiences with um using ayahuasca and in his book supernatural i don't know if you guys know who graham hancock is or have read his books but he's really gotten i think he's done something like 11 uh ayahuasca ceremony trips and in some of them he has experienced entities uh you know these non-human intelligences that look serpentine that are you know very um dragon-like or reptilian and but not just that he's also experienced other types of beings insectoid type beings and uh alien greys and he's so he's seen all these different kinds of things right my point is that there's something physical that actually can tune your brain you know into something else and honestly i think that people that that you know become uh possessed i think they do something to allow themselves to become possessed. And it is possible that there is a physical element to that, at least in some cases, because I think if you're tripping out on something and you don't have any kind of control over that trip, you know, you're dealing with stuff that you have no power to protect yourself from whatever it is you're experiencing. It's happening to you no matter what right and the and they're these beings that occupy this other dimensional space could very well be some of them anyway could be demonic and if they hijack you while you're while you are in this other space um you first of all you did it to yourself but

second of all the the main point i guess that i was getting at is that you know what maybe they're I don't know if, if parasites could do that, but if there's something physical in your brain that when it's switched can put you into touch with an alternate reality, Hey, it's, it's a possibility that I, you know, I wonder if anybody has ever thought to, um, conduct a study on that. Like they do with DMT. Well, over and over some parasites in somebody's brain, man, see what see what happens i'm sure for sure somebody's done that you can probably go to most of america

and they're already parasites yeah we get it from eating whatever fast food that we eat uh but i that's another thing that comes up in our research constantly is frequency it seems that these things you know these disembodied spirits because i would agree going back to the alien conversation we've used the terminology aliens or demons in a hyperbolic way to draw in a conversation but as

soon as you get into elaborating on that yeah yeah he just named you named a reptilian species and insect island species uh grays other angelic beings i on this show i constantly tell people there's people that watch it and uh they they maybe they watch joe rogan too so they have an inclination to do some sort of uh psychedelic to to interact with this other realm and i'm i'm against i guess i'm against mushrooms but i tell them hey listen i'm not i would never tell you to do this because i don't know where you are physically i don't know where you are spiritually mentally but definitely there's a locality to it so when graham hancock is doing these ayahuasca trips i wonder if he's in different locations and if these locations are specific to the entities that he's encountering like do they inhabit this physical locality on the other side you're great

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And when you do that there, do you then see them? Right.

You had a friend that she was saying every time she did it, she saw a jaguar woman.

No, she went to Costa Rica and did it. It was like a general white woman retreat. and she did ayahuasca and she had a shaman and she and afterwards she's like oh the grass was talking it was wonderful and uh she says that she saw a woman with a jaguar head and she told the the shaman that was walking her through it and he goes oh yeah yeah she's here we know her yeah we know so like that entity just hangs out here yeah that's the one specific to that location i was like i would never do that again if i were you because you have you're swimming with the sharks right now and everything is consent based everything is consent based right so well you've consented once you once you've taken the drug to go there and i've heard people put it as

you're entering these spiritual realms illegally and you are yeah you are maybe where okay you're gonna do that and god kind of goes like these things now have access to you everything is consent-based and you have uh you know consensually broken into uh you know a spiritual realm these things are allowed to access you now that's on you yeah speaking of consent-based stuff i mean

doesn't it sound kind of like the the vampire myth yes it does you guys um something else i see on youtube a lot are these like reiki asmr videos where i have like these uh reiki asmr practitioners with you know they're just doing their healing modalities and blah blah blah but if you if you really dig into reiki like one of the main things that they always say at the beginning of their videos is either say out loud or just think to yourself i accept no and and when you do that then the reiki which is self like flight like it's it knows where to go yeah how does it know where to go are you directing it no no no i'm not the one doing i'm just channeling this life force energy i'm channeling healing energy yeah so where does this energy come from they say it comes from the universe you know it's like a universal life force energy it's the force from star wars no yes anyway it's it's a uh this thing that it was discovered by a japanese buddhist monk um and he like discovered this healing modality while he was meditating and then he began teaching it to his students and it's become like this worldwide thing now it's really big and it's all throughout the new age community and but that's one of the things that really struck me is that they're they're always saying that it respects your free will and how really how does an energy that has no consciousness respect someone's free will that to me that sounds like there is someone or some intelligence behind that and it's not you as because you know they're like

no it's i'm not i'm not the one directing it okay many of these um new age practices they rely on not having strict definitions which i actually think is a really fascinating you see that mirrored in the left right so we're talking about this left versus right sort of a deal and with the left it's really a war on definitions if you can uh disrupt what a word means then fundamentally everything is in flux and everything becomes chaotic and you can never even get past just agreeing on like what a woman is or something crazy like talking about the idea of source rather than god exactly rather than god god who like the god of of jacob the god of the bible like like that god no no no source the universe love and light and if you open it up to these really vague definitions then all of a sudden these things can operate but it's weird because they do have you know what you're talking about which is uh they they accidentally slip up and throw a fundamental spiritual law in there which is consent it's like well that's that's actually pretty rigid if you think about it um but but we have to do that we're gonna be very free here and open sign the dotted line yeah interesting they that but but they they love that where it's like spirituality without any definitions and i go well certainly this has to be defined right certainly this thing has if it's ancient and it's intelligent it's outside of the human experience you know outside of our own intellect then then it does have some sort of boundaries it has some sort of definition it has maybe even a name or or more importantly a name

Which is also going back to this alien conversation where everybody wants to talk about the reverse engineer technology. Everybody wants to talk about how great this is, zero point this and that. I'm like, what about the nature of the things that you're interacting with, whether it's the grays or the things or the inside? That's why I specifically used the word demonic earlier instead of just saying demon, right? Because we talked about that. That is a disembodied spirit. But demonic, meaning deceptive in nature against humanity and in opposition to God. And over and over again, every encounter seems to be demonic. These things are deceptive. They're doing things against, you know, your better interests. And, you know, but nobody wants to talk about that. Nobody wants to talk about the nature of the spirit that's healing you in Reiki. Nobody wants to talk about the nature of the, you know, the entities that are facilitating the tremendous leaps in, you know, technological advances. I don't care about any of that. I want to know about their nature.

Yeah, me too. Because if there, there is such a thing as Trojan horse gifts, you know?

Yeah.

And people don't tend to be, you know, I don't know that being suspicious and being like paranoid, like I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. But I do think there should be some critical thought. And I do think that there should be a standard, a litmus test for literally everything that, you know, is trying to tell you anything about anything that's existential, right? Anything that matters to you spiritually long-term, to your final destination, or that is telling you about the world, the reality that you exist in, if you don't have a reason to trust that entity, and that reason isn't very good, than if it's all just based on your feelings yes which is you know that that's not a good that's not a good litmus test i feel great about this i felt so much love there was this one uh ufo you know whistleblower or whatever talking about jake barber i don't know if it's this guy or not but he was talking about how he felt this feminine yeah okay so i'm like you can't how you however you feel who cares yep how you you could be made to feel anything you know

isn't it funny that we live in this paradigm right now we're like you know the the left that has been the status quo for some time and i don't even mean that once again not in a political way i mean in an ideological way is about feelings and so is this entire new age movement is about

feelings well you know what there there is like this desire for you know being blissed out it's why people take drugs you know they want to want to have like this euphoric feeling and it's why people are addicted to things like sex sex is great and being able to have like the the this uh emotional attachment to something it's i mean that's normal there is something normal to you know that's intrinsic to our species about that we are emotional creatures and having something that makes us feel happy and and joyful and those kinds of things those those are not necessarily bad things, but they can also be deceptive. How many people have gotten into romantic relationships that they never should have gotten into ever, you know, just because they're, they had some awesome butterflies for a moment. Yeah. You know, the, the same, the same thing holds true. You're getting into a relationship with something, you know, if you're con, if you're, if you're in touch with any entity no matter what it is that's a relationship and if you can't trust that relationship if you have no good reason other than how it makes you feel there's something wrong with

that it would make sense to me if the spiritual realm is as legal as it appears because the more i've done this the more it seems that way um that definitions would be important and jesus christ explicitly says he is the way the truth and the life and in matthew 7 13 through 14 um it says enter through the narrow gate for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction and many enter through it but small is the gate

And narrow is the word, the road that leads to life. And I'm doing like a little bit of jumping back and forth. Narrow is the road that leads to life. And Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life, right? So if these things are synonymous, life and the truth, and the road that leads to life is narrow, that means that the truth is very narrow. So it needs to be defined. It needs to be defined. It needs to be understood. this is all very legal and new age practices occultism and everything so much of it is blown wide open absolutely wide gate it's a wide path and people really don't like that man and i i get it because in some ways you want to lean on your own understanding the bible warns against that but you want to you want to feel wise you know in your ways so to say something that sounds profound

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We're prohibited by law. See terms and conditions. 21 plus. God is love and light, man. Or like, you know, the universe is, it's you experiencing itself subjectively and all these different things that sound really profound. You experiencing you. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And God is in all things. So worshiping a tree is like worshiping God. It's like, no, the truth is narrow and needs to be defined. And that means that the truth isn't dependent on you, which that's absolutely right.

it sucks for a lot of people. There is an objective truth. It's not all subjective. Speaking about Jesus being the way, the truth and the life and the way being narrow, I was like going and exploring some old like Christian rock and some basically some stuff from like the late seventies. Right. Okay. And there was there's this guy named Keith Green and he had this, I saw an interview with him. Like he, he died in a plane crash, uh, like in 1983 or 84 or something like that. Um, but he did this interview and he came out of a very like, uh, new agey kind of background. And they were talking to him. He said, why, why did, you know, why did you, you know, decide to follow Jesus? And he said, well, you know, I was looking at all these different streams of, of, you know, theological streams. I'm looking at all these, uh, basically like ascended masters, you know, I'm looking at Buddha and they're, they're all saying that they are a way and they, they are saying, well, there's this way and that way. And we all get to the same place in the end. Um, but you know, it was like they, they, and they all, but they all have an opinion about jesus and they're like where this is a way and this is a way and jesus yeah he he's also a way he's jesus is a way right but then i then i got to the bible and i started reading that and then i found out that jesus said about himself that he is the way and there's not any other way he's the you know all these all these guys the buddha confucius all you know all these all these different ascended masters whatever they they all have good things to say about jesus and then you read jesus and jesus said about himself i am the way he said once i found that out i was like okay of all there's all these other guys who say there is a way or they are a way and jesus is good and you should listen to him because he's also a way but jesus is the only one who says something exclusive. And he says, I am the way. Well, I gave up all the other ways and I started following Jesus. I was like, rock on, dude. Well, that's the thing. We're doing a study on Hebrews and

just the first chapter of it is like, when we're talking about the way, the definitives that are being spoken of while describing Jesus Christ, it's like, I mean, if you believe these words, it's very hard to uh turn away from it like it's saying without a shadow of a doubt seated at the right hand of god he is the only son of god and it's not saying if maybe uh

there's a couple of ways like no no no this is it yeah and for people like me like dumb people i'm like give me the answer and i'm gonna follow that and i've you know we've seen something convincing i'm like good all speed ahead let's move in that direction yeah i love that but that's

the that's the beauty of it like that goes back to what we were just talking about the truth being you know having to be defined and being very narrow in its nature is like thank god thank god it's not because that's really that's so simple that's so simple like just follow jesus christ Because if it really was up to, I don't know, the subjective opinions and, you know, wisdom of a bunch of a-holes like us, things would be really bad, like really bad. You know, like, thank God somebody's in control and has bothered to simplify this for us. Because if we were still trying to, you know, be saved by the law, we couldn't do that. We couldn't do that. That was far too difficult. thank god that jesus christ came and simplified this entire process you know that well he said

he said anybody if you if you can't come to me like a little child right you're you're not going to be saved and what do kids do you tell them the truth and they believe you they they don't immediately throw up walls and be like well that sounds kind of right but you know what i've got this objection and this objection and this objection and you know i don't think i'm gonna do it until you can prove every little thing to me and, you know, and, and, uh, black and white and, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah. You got kids don't do that. If, if they trust you and they know you're telling them the truth, they just, it's, it's like when you're in a swimming pool and you tell your kid, all right, just jump to me and I'll catch you. Yeah. And you know and the kids are all right you know without hesitation and that's how believers should be and that and people who come to to the lord that you got to have faith like a kid that's that he just flat out said it and that but it is it's so simple that kids can

grasp it so you're right about that well as we uh we're getting a little towards the end of the episode but i have a question um in living in israel is there uh when you're walking around there in in some of these like biblical spots um do you are you yourself able to act like feel something special about the land because it's one of these places that it's like it's constantly fought over and it's got to be constantly fought over for a reason you know jesus died there but we had abraham all these people are like moving through this land when you're on it when you're actually there uh is there anything actually is there anything special about this specific geographic location not just to you but like in in general objectively objectively yeah because

there is so much archaeological evidence for the stuff that's talked about in the bible it's unbelievable you know there's there places that that you wouldn't even think of you're you're like driving along and then you're like oh you know there's that's that was where they believe Sodom and Gomorrah might have been or oh my gosh you know Jerusalem just around in in the Jerusalem area you know there's the pool of Siloam who would have thought you know people didn't actually even believe that it was a real place until archaeologists uncovered it not that long ago which actually provided you know physical evidence for something that the new testament talked about you know remember there's a angel who went and stirred up the pool of cylon yeah yeah and whoever was the first one to jump in after the pool was agitated or whatever would be healed of whatever do you

think that was true that like that was that actually yeah absolutely yeah i mean the new

testament said that it happened so i i literally believe if it says it yes i i believe that um what else i mean there there's tons and tons of things like that you know there there you can walk through the valley uh where king david and the army of israel stood against the army of the philistines and where the tomb of goliath is supposed to be you know there's like this gigantic uh tell which is like a gigantic mound right and nobody will excavate it the israeli antiquities authority won't do it because there's there's there's like some religious reasons involving like the fact that there's human remains on the inside sure but from traditional like uh stories that go back to the byzantine era there's like a ruined byzantine church nearby where uh christian pilgrims. to come from europe traveling down they'd go through this the same valley and they'd go to this byzantine church and the the priests there would be like oh there's the tomb of goliath right over here we know that it is and like whether they really knew or not i don't know but there is a giant tell there right giant cairn and for like a thousand years more it's like nobody has disturbed it I'm like I would like to do that let's see if Goliath's bones are actually inside you know but like there there is tons of those kinds of things now I will say you know before I became a believer um there was like it was special to me because hey this is Israel this is where my my people came from it is the land of the bible that sort of thing but it It didn't matter to me in the way that it has come to matter to me since I did become a believer. And once I began following Yeshua as my Lord and Savior, as my Messiah, everything began to matter to me. Like I said, if it says it in the Torah, if it says it in the Tanakh, the first five books of the Bible, the writings, the prophets, the New Testament, if it says it and it's considered scripture, then it's something that I believe. The more I read it, the more I ingest it, the more I begin to understand God's plan and purpose for the Jewish people, for Israel, for the entire human race, and what his plan is regarding redemption, not just for all of us. because I don't remember if it's Paul. It might be Paul, but it's in the New Testament. It says what Jesus did, it's basically universal salvation.

It's to bring all of creation, all of creation groans until the redemption, right?

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me it's like so i can't wait i can't wait for it to happen i can't wait for yeshua to come back and for all the wrongs to be put to right kind of like in c.s lewis's the chronicles of narnia you know uh all will be all will be made right when aslan comes in sight something like that yeah but it's the same it's the same concept you know jesus comes back right everything is made new yeah and

so that's yeah it's well you know what it is i don't know if i answered your question yeah i mean you think you did yeah when you're seeing these places or any evidence that like you said specifically these first five books were true it just like it strengthens the entire thing like you can see it you can you you begin to not only um imagine it but um i guess internalize the reality of this situation and if this is true it helps you understand true it helps you understand

absolutely absolutely the thousands of years of warfare yeah over this place because a lot of times from a secular point of view like you guys are fighting world war three over a state that's size of new jersey that's not here in america it's it's maddening and it's like what are you doing but there has to be something going on there yeah there's something it is it's a spiritual

like the bottom line is there is a spiritual war or interdimensional war whatever you want to call it right there's a war between god's forces and a smaller rebellious force but that rebellious force has access to humanity and to our planet until god's plan is finished and it's not it's

just not done yet well i want to ask you a final question in in closing here uh will this is something that we like to ask our um our guests on the show everything that you've been doing in the books that you're writing you're living out in israel you're experiencing this uh you know firsthand you're able to to walk these streets and put your hands on these things um and every that God has you doing right now?

Are you having fun? Wow. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. There's a lot of challenges to being a believer here in Israel. I imagine it's the same pretty much everywhere in the world right now, but it can be kind of difficult sometimes. um and i would also say like like i have plans for some what i think are some pretty awesome stuff that i that i want to do that i think god is leading me towards um man that's a hard question it's like a very hard question am i having fun um there there is what i do think is fun is discovering the things that that god has for me to discover that part is fun because it's like what uh king solomon said in proverbs that it's basically the honor of kings to seek a thing out you know just that god hides something yeah but it's like it's like a dad who goes and he like hides a present for his kids and he's gonna go find it you know and that's that is kind of how i feel so from that perspective yeah i would say i'm having fun that's great that's a great that's

a great way to put that i love that david references that that uh scripture constantly because it's like that's in essence what we're doing we're constantly scratching the surface

the glory of god to conceal a thing yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's um people that don't life is this like mystery and and god has done these things he wants you to pursue him he wants you to pursue him and and that is like the great mystery that is the great it's not really hidden because he wants you to know him he wants to reveal himself but he wants you to be a participant in it and um and yeah that is fun that's a lot of fun absolutely you know one of

the things that speaking about himself he he does hide himself and he wants you to seek him out That's why the prophets say on the day you seek me with your whole heart, you'll find me. And that's, so it's, it is up to us. Like you, you go and you want to know him, go look for him and don't stop until you find him, you know?

and that's fun that's really fun right because what's the alternative the alternative is is the drudgery of a materialistic paradigm that nothing matters and you're here to grind your yourself into dirt and hopefully maybe you leave something behind for another like no no there is the the creator of the universe your father is is beckoning you and the cool thing is like the interesting

thing is always that obviously god knows exactly what you need you don't and he's almost like go ahead and ask me for it go like figure it out and ask me for it and then i'll give it to you and i'm like well i don't even know i don't know what i need and it's but it's this fun game of like he's like he's there waiting but are you going to approach or are you just gonna you know be complacent about it it's like that's well that's our job to continue to search these things out and And obviously you're doing that, man. It's been a blessing to talk to somebody that's doing that.

That's all we can do, though, right?

That's what we're supposed to do. We're supposed to try. And we're going to suck at it from time to time. But every once in a while, we do something super cool. And I think he's pumped about it. Look, Will, let's remind everybody where they can find your work. And thank you so much for your time. It's been a wonderful conversation. Thank you.

Thank you for having me. So people can find me at williamblesch.com. that's uh and blush is bl e s c h dot com uh and then you guys can anybody can come and find me on facebook friend me we can talk awesome excellent you know what i'm gonna pick up one of

these uh one of these books and uh we have a christian library in the back oh yeah that's right that would be a great addition so we're we'll put this in the library and uh people could

check this out man and we'd love to have you back sometime talk about whatever you whatever you want I mean, all these things are unfolding and we kick him off the stage, uh, all these things are unfolding and, uh, um, you know, you've got this body of work and I'm sure you've, you've got something to say about a lot of different things. So we'd love to have you back sometime.

Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

All right.

I would be honored to be back.

So excellent.

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