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I quit in 2017 when I realized it's all corrupt to full-time YouTube, yeah. And I did heaps of party drugs. Always thought psychedelics were like, don't want to be not in control. And then just the universe talking to me and, yeah, now plenty of experiences with mushrooms and all that stuff.

Yeah, I had my, I guess what you would call your heroic dose with mushrooms, and it was manageable. you know a lot of people before you do it you have all these stories that kind of you have these presuppositions what it's going to be like i was like this is actually regular uh not regular you know what i mean but it was like it was not the extreme trying to say he's built different no no no it was i i had conversations with people who didn't know i was on mushrooms so that that's

pretty good so you did like nine years of school it's like because i know pharmaceuticals uh being

a pharmacist that's like intensive right uh five years but um yeah i was always into like natural medicine and stuff as well but um yeah so quick backstory i've been a conspiracy theorist for 25 years um it's an amazing time to be alive right yeah it is so much crazy shit about australia that even i'm like every day you find something new about i might ask you guys about your thoughts on like resets and tartaria but america and australia and the parallels 1776 1778 like it is just there's so much overlap that's interesting yeah yeah yeah anyway but today um when we start recording i want to get into your story and just talk about everything you've learned over the journey of your podcast and um get into all the juicy stuff yeah for sure i'm excited man cool cool and how do you like to be introduced just david and top lobster or i feel like yeah you

could do that that's fine we both have animal names um because there's something wrong with

us but they were given to us uh yeah i guess top and raven yeah it's a little i mean i've already

been docked so it doesn't matter yeah yeah yeah oh you have yeah yeah we cover a lot of pretty serious content on here and when someone hears top lobster from my audience they might be like oh i can't take these guys seriously but no no now you can call me uh well i'll explain the name

it's uh yeah cool it's got an interesting background i guess awesome okay let's get into it

three two one oh sorry hardware issue all right three two one hi guys thanks for tuning in to another episode of nuggets news super special guests and that is nephilim deaf squad so welcome

on the show david and top how are you guys doing doing well brother thanks for uh inviting us

yeah man thank you and sorry sorry about my surname uh but that's what we're gonna go by so if anyone's offended whatever man we're gonna we're rolling with that how you it's nice to meet

you well for everyone that doesn't know you guys um maybe give us a bit of a background to the nicknames how you got the show going and you've been crushing it like you got on sam tinfoil hats

mount crush more so well done on that yeah well thank you very much um i mean as far as the the names um mine's pretty easy i actually go by the raven which is i thought good for marketing purposes branding purposes but my last name is corvo which is just a derivative of corvo which is italian and spain you know that kind of area and it just means

means raven means crow raven you know uh corvid which is just a species of blackbird um but i said hey i might as well use it because once you step into the sort of conspiracy arena um adding a little mystique uh doesn't hurt yeah nice yeah i was uh previously before i was in the

conspiracy arena i was in the like political arena social commentary kind of kind of place and I was having a conversation about some taboo topics ended up getting doxxed so I decided I'll go by I'll go by a nickname and Jordan Peterson was big at the time this was years and years ago so the first chapter of his book is talking about the lobsters and how they stand up straight because they have a similar dopamine system as human beings and every time they win a fight they stand up straighter with their shoulders back and they'll create this posture they're the dominant lobster the top lobster and um i was from brooklyn so it's like a top lobster kind of thing and that turned into uh uh racist clothing brand and turned into uh i don't want to click curse on here but a crap posting twitter account that gets retweeted by elon musk and then that turns into like into the comedy sphere working for uh lewis j gomez skank fest uh legion of skanks and then that turns into a christian conspiracy yeah inside of a coffee shop slash fabrication studio it's been

right it's been a bizarre journey uh that you couldn't have plotted out if you tried

that's awesome well i didn't know about lobster's dopamine system so i've already learned something today and uh my nickname was nugget because i was short up until grade 12 didn't go through puberty till later on in life so i was just short nuggety and it sort of stuck ever since that's

And now you've been, how long have you been doing this? Because we were just talking about that. We're like, Nugget, that's an interesting, and now like, you know, you're.

Yeah, we were searching the email. I was like, what should I search to find the email again? He says, Nugget. I was like, are you kidding me, Nugget?

And you're off and you're soaring now. So you're locked into Nugget, but it's been a lifelong thing then.

Yeah, it has since grade seven. But let's get into all the juicy stuff. So guys, what have you learned over your journey on the podcast from the angle of like demons? And what is this evil force we're up against? For some people who want to talk about aliens, I've had David Icke on the show with his reptilian theory, you've got this hybrid stuff going off, and obviously the mainstream are really starting to push the UFO disclosure narrative. So where are you guys sitting with your thoughts on all that?

So for me, it was I was always kind of into the new age and the occult and conspiracies since I was really young. And I had I guess you could say some generational iniquity is how the Bible would put it. But there were seem to be spirits attached to my my my bloodline. And so I grew up with these stories. I grew up with these experiences. experiences and as soon as the internet came about in any real meaningful way you know when like youtube kind of the golden years of youtube like 2005 2006 2007 where it was the wild west and it was a great place to be i mean the internet was just a great place to be at that time still is you know we're in fantastic times but that was there was something different about it and so um i'm taking all my experiences and i'm trying to find other people who are having the same ones And of course, this leads to the concept of demons, which, you know, is not immediately something that I'm sold on, right? A lot of people talk about shadow integration or the daemon or the idea that maybe the universe is reflecting things back to you or their aspects of the self is a multitude of explanations for these entities that I was comfortable with for a very long time. and um but nevertheless it leads to that sort of uh occult practices demonology and what that springboards into is the fact that you can kind of see the evidence for it all over the music industry all over hollywood right we're talking about the symbolism people like isaac weissip have made an entire career out of occult symbolism in pop culture he does a fantastic job of that And so it's rich and it's constantly giving. And that just becomes what is now I would call a lifelong journey. But it's not until I have my own encounters as a husband and as a father where I realize these things need to stop. They have to stop. And I am desperate and have no modality for stopping them. And so not raised religious, never really, you know, of course, in conspiracy, the Bible comes up revelation more popularly because of all of the things that seem to be prophecy being fulfilled at any given moment. But that's really about it. And I didn't have recourse. I couldn't make this thing stop and my wife had seen it as well and I had kept it to myself and then my son had seen it, and I had still kept it to myself, because as a father, you don't want to. Certainly don't want to plant seeds of fear in your child. You want to be able to sleep at night and not have those intrusive moments where they're knocking on the door because they can't sleep. So I'm really doing my best to keep this under wraps. Nevertheless, they see it, and it feels as though things are evolving so rapidly that I need to do something. I call out to Jesus Christ for the first time in my life, and the entire phenomenon stops on a dime.

And so I start to it's a long journey, a very long journey. Like I said, came from the new age and a cult and all those things. But I start to look for other people who have had the experiences that I've had very similarly to how I was doing when I was a young man. And that's the beginning of getting me all the way here. It keeps bearing fruit. It keeps making sense. And I have this tremendous worldview of, you know, nearly 20 years of conspiracy that you would think the Christian narrative would clash with. And certainly the Christian narrative that is the Western reducive caricature of Christianity, of Christ, of the Bible, that does clash. But not what I was learning. Not what I was learning. And it wasn't some big secret. It wasn't like there was some Gnostic seeds at the bottom of the Bible that I had to – you just start to understand things in a way that is closer to Scripture than what the average person is experiencing, and it all begins to make sense. So to cap that, this show is for me my journey in testing this thing, testing this metal over and over again publicly, and we're 650 episodes probably right now, and it keeps bearing fruit. And it keeps getting stronger and making more and more sense. And so I'm continuing down this path.

Yeah, I've got a heap of thoughts on that. But Lobster, any thoughts on the demon, alien, what you think is at the top of the evil chain before I sort of expand on the Bible and that?

Yeah, I got some thoughts, but I'm kind of curious. I don't want you to lose your question there because, like, David just gave you 15 things.

I know. I gave you – I got a real problem.

we can talk about aliens aliens are in the news every day now so it's like we're not going to forget about it's honestly it's it's kind of exhausting to a degree yeah well cool yeah let's

keep with the flow then so i think i agree with you after being in this field for so long at the bottom of the rabbit hole it's like this this satanism and all these secret societies that are influencing running the world and so we're already starting to see people go well if this level of evil exists out there towards what they're doing to humanity and children then the opposite must be true and why is there such this huge attack on christianity and all these things so i i think there's there's very something to that that more and more people are realizing it's not the oh you have to go to church and the corruption in like the catholic church or whatever it's oh well which sections of the bible have they rewritten and why it must have been important to cover it up and so when i get what you're saying because when someone says i'm a christian well that can mean 30 000 different denominations or spins and crazy new modern churches and all this stuff so i agree with you that yeah deep down i think the spiritual war we're in is really on like morality and christianity brings back a lot of that morality and just good principles to people and that's what satanism is trying to destroy right that's kind of how i view

it but what what are your guys thoughts on on all of that um so as far as like the christianity thing we we come at this from a a slightly different standpoint and it's not like we're not your orthodox christians and not not meaning like the orthodox church but like the regular christian that you'll meet and uh encounter oftentimes when christians that are in the church meet us they're off put and we've already been kind of like shunned and because listen in reality david was a uh you were a welder and a metal fabricator i used to work on the tracks And I used to drive an 18 wheeler for a living. So like working on the railroad, you know, we're just blue collar dudes. So I'm going to talk how I'm going to talk and I'm going to say what I'm going to say. And usually when I say stuff, I just say exactly what I mean. And people don't like that. They want to, you know, I guess be fluffed a little bit and I'm not here to cradle you. So we come at it from a slightly different perspective. But like upon further review of the Bible itself and like rereading this, I'm like, oh, no, no. Like all this fluffed up worldview that were generally presented as like what Christians are and how they're supposed to act is not how people acted throughout the Bible. So coming to terms with that has been a little bit easier, obviously cleaning up a lot of the things that I still need to do.

um have been important but understanding that like okay no no you're being genuine you're being yourself you're searching for these answers and let everything else fall by the side and fall fall where it may after that so that's that's like been our journey in a way yeah and uh we also have a proclivity to look into like this weird like these dark places that other people don't really want to, I mean, I guess the common Christian wouldn't look at. Exactly. The common Christian

wouldn't look at it. And the problem is whether you're into the new age or you're into the occult or any of these things, for very many people, it's because they had an experience. And even though I believe that the Bible has the answers and Jesus Christ is the truth, the modern Christian is not armed for the reality of the spiritual warfare that we're engaged in. So someone will have an experience, and they might end up going to Wiccan, or they might end up going towards the occult, because there are answers that are seemingly readily available. And the community of Christianity, the people that are just going to the church on Sundays and going through the motions, they're so detached, for the most part, from anything like that. And that was very much my experience, is you have something strange, and it drives you to seek answers. And when you look over to you know modern christians you go there's no way and in very many ways you would be correct

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To be perfectly honest, the element that keyed in and changed the whole worldview for me was the concept of the Nephilim. And I don't – obviously, that's the show's namesake.

We didn't even really talk about it that much anymore because it's –

We beat it to death in the first hundred episodes or whatever it was. But this idea that there's extra canonical text, right? Some have been removed. people, for the most part, seem to understand that in Ethiopia, their Bible still contains the book of Enoch. And Enoch is a strange one because the first one seems to be just an elaboration on elements of the Bible. And then two and three depart in a really crazy way. And so you have to kind of treat these things as interesting, but they're not salvation issues, So don't hang your faith on them. You know, Enoch 3 goes on to say that Enoch became the angel Metatron, I believe. And the giants were like 400 feet tall. Which maybe, you know, people go on and on. They say that pink Himalayan salt is actually the petrified remains of giants. That's a lot of fun. I've stopped eating pink Himalayan salt.

Dude, the devil's tree.

The devil's tree is a crazy one. You know, so there's a lot of stuff that point to not just megalithic structures, but megalithic beings potentially and and um i'm a big fan of it i don't discard it but it's something that i don't hang my faith on but this idea in enoch that the disembodied spirits of these nephilim when you know most of them died in the flood their spirits uh they don't ascend

and we're going to get into this idea by the way let's explain what a nephilim is a product of a fallen angel and a human woman so biblically genesis 6 is saying that the fallen angels saw the human woman, they saw that they were good and they procreated with them and they begot the Nephilim. Which is not

actually something that the church is unified on. A lot of people will give pushback and they'll say, it's not the sons of God, it's the sons of Seth.

And the translation, I have like a little, this is my Benihana sign, but it says Benihah Elohim right here. It's a, that means sons of God. That's the Hebrew translation and it comes up in Genesis 6 and I believe it's referring Thank you.

to the sons of god being angels these elohim angelic beings other people will say no no they're the sons of a man named seth who's a descendant of adam but uh elsewhere throughout the bible the beneha elohim is referred specifically as these heavenly entities that are in the presence of god if you read the book of job when job is going to be tempted god is chilling with the beneha elohim and satan approaches he walks up and he says yo oh, could I tempt this guy? And then the story goes on. So God's not hanging out with human men and delegating and, you know, talking about what he's going to do next. He's hanging out with the

angels. And in fact, I think the Dead Sea Scrolls do a good job of, because that translation is specifically the sons of God. And so that's the oldest one that we have right now. And that's also where you get the book of Enoch, which is fascinating, because in the beginning of it, it talks about how this is for the fig tree generation and that is prophecy from revelation um you know end of times prophecy so this idea that uh you know a series of scrolls were discovered i think it was like 47 or 48 very among other things yeah very interesting time

the cia uh roswell comes about shortly after paperclip it's like everything just kicks off institution of the state of israel yeah i've read i've read a lot about that i watched the

documentary how they might have even been forged the dead sea scrolls and stuff but there's a i mean it is suspicious it's a suspicious time yeah but one thing i do i'm really on board with you like the science background is the offspring being giants and we see like a liger with a lion and a tiger right and so i really like this theory that if we were genetically tweaked or a hybrid or whatever and then we have the same number of chromosomes and then humans second and third chromosome has been fused like there's all this kind of scientific evidence to back up this biblical myth but i still kind of wonder like what is a fallen angel and isn't it isn't in physical form and are they actually having sex or is this referring to like genetic or scientific impregnation do you know i mean like any thoughts on all that that i say yes yes and yeah yes and

that's see now you just opened up an entire rabbit hole but you want to can i just tell him about the science part of it because i think he'd like this part um so uh in in the bible there is a nimrod and nimrod's a mighty hunter and people speculate that nimrod was a giant he was a huge dude and they would call him nephilim but that's not the correct term he the correct term is uh gibberim and it says specifically he became gibberim now in uh in the book of enoch i think it's like Enoch 1 7 or no no sorry Enoch 7 chapter 7 it talks about when when the watchers were taking the wives of men what they taught these human women as they like so there was a relationship meaning like they took them as wives meaning there's like a covenant there so whether we're talking about sex I don't maybe but there's like a dowry there's a dowry there's an exchange of uh technology or knowledge to the fathers of those daughters in order to get them so there's

a trade-off which by the way is consistent through most mythologies right there is like this god that imparts various technologies or teachings whether it's agriculture or metallurgy or this thing like you know like what what the hell is this or if it's recovering the crashed craft of roswell and getting new technology there is seemingly an exchange uh they call that sometimes they call

it a gifting ground oh it's interesting right like the the crashed uh the crashed ufo sites people will go there and they're called like gifting grounds and you can go and they pick up like weird medals and stuff but uh anyway they teach the woman a number of things when something like makeup they teach the men you know uh metallurgy and they mentioned that they teach them the cutting of roots and we get this from uh sean from kingdom and context who's who's great he's fantastic yeah so the cutting of roots is an interesting one because now we're dabbling in in pharmakia like that's that's your lane so one of the chemicals in miracle grow is gibberellin and gibberellin actually like it retards this uh it retards a hormone in the plant so that way it can have indeterminate growth and nimrod became gibbereme so it it leads you to think i was like okay so they taught them everything about cutting of roots was there some sort of genetic manipulation where they were manipulating something in human beings to let them continue to grow and

then you get these giants like that yeah it results in stem and shoot elongation yeah and i do believe that it is if you were to extract it from anywhere it would be the root system of a plant uh gibberellin um is commonly used right now in in miracle growth so i mean there's the there's these things that are

um little hints it feels like and once again this is not something that like you're to hang your faith or it's not a salvation issue it's none of these things but it feels like i mean that's incredibly rich this idea and it's in a text that i i don't want to disparage you know the church or the people that are going through it but it's no secret there are folks that are moving through that system like zombies they show up on sunday and they go through the motions and they leave it there and they go back to their lives for a remaining six days and uh and then of course all of the corruption that exists in any of the church systems because we are men and we're fallible so anything that we create is going to have rot in it because we're flawed but this thing it's been reduced and it's been made a mockery of um especially here in the west it's

probably the most important part because the bible is describing a battle it's describing a battle between the seed of man and the seed of something else. Seed of Satan, the seed of this.

That's the first prophecy in Genesis is that the seed of the woman will crush the head of the serpent. And then that goes on and on. And, you know, all of the Old Testament points. That's one of the things that gets me is there is this big Gnosticism movement towards the idea of the Demiurge and Jesus Christ becomes debased in that way because now he's open to interpretation. The Bible is very clear. Who do you say Christ is? And Christ is the son of the living God who came and died for our sins. And God, you know, resurrected him from the dead and he ascended. All of these things. That's that's who this character is. This guy is Jesus Christ is still prevalent in a lot of other teachings. Right. If you go to the alien thing, he is Pleiadian. If you go to the the the Gnostics or the New Agers, he is an ascended master who's reached a state of enlightenment that you, too, can reach. And it's like there is similar within Islam. Yes. Yes. Where he's just a prophet. Yeah, he's there, but he's just a prophet. And even in the Bible, it warns in John that, you know, if any even an angel should come to you and preach any other gospel that is not this, then you're being deceived. Meaning like, yeah, an angel can come and they will tweak it because Christ is such a central figure and such an important thing. Here we are 2000 years later, haven't shaken him off. Now it's like he's getting co-opted and he's getting changed ever so slightly. um but if you read the old testament it's a direct through line this god of the old testament that's supposed to be the demiurge that's imprisoning us here is constantly pointing over like 300 times in all this different prophecy to jesus christ it's it's incredibly consistent from i mean like i said the very first prophecy in genesis is pointing to the coming of christ you can't get even to the next book in exodus without having shadows of christ the archetype of what's going to come all over exodus all over genesis it's happening constantly um but i think we just get into what i found alex is it's almost like it's almost disappointing it's like um wow in some ways this is actually very simple and i never thought that dude i never thought that this

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What's, like, super disappointing is that, like, you might say, all right, the Nephilim are interesting, but how does it pertain to right now? Well, I don't know. Matt Gaetz is saying that he's spoken to some, you know, government suits or, you know, army dudes that are coming in and they're rank and file and they're telling him, yeah, there's a breeding program happening. And I'm telling you that, you know, we're reading an old book and it says, yeah, there's a breeding program happening. Yeah. And I don't know exactly how it's happening, but we've spoken to a number of different people. As a matter of fact, shout out to Nathaniel Gillis, who was just on Danny Jones.

Yeah, I've had him on too, yeah. Nathaniel's fantastic.

Nathaniel will tell you about the phenomenon, and, I mean, this is, like, physical, spiritual, however you want to imagine it. But one of the techniques that they'd use is, like, maybe even, like, necromancy or this, like, spiritual implantation, impregnation into the woman. So if you're asking, did these guys bone down these girls? I don't know, man. Maybe. Maybe, but it seems like there's a lot of ways to skin this cat. Yeah. The government does this with MKUltra techniques. You use SRA, satanic ritual abuse, to do the same thing. The telepathy tapes, for instance, seem like they're getting at the same thing.

Yeah, that's actually one of our – I think that's probably what landed us on Mount Crushmore was we did a breakdown of the telepathy tapes and how actually nefarious it is because what it amounts to, I think, is a free-range version of the MKUltra program where in order to induce a state of dissociation – Dissociation. I always go back and forth. I found it both ways. Disassociation and dissociation. He's a doctor. He probably knows. Which one is it? Do you know? I think it can be both. Disassociate or dissociate. Yeah, okay. Well, everybody knows what we mean. Keep going. So in order to create that state, because we're used to MKUltra with it. And by the way, as we sit here today, the first hearing since 1977 just took place on MKUltra, led by Anna Paulina Luna. a very sketchy woman uh in my estimation but here we are it's really strange because um but you said earlier at the top of the show or maybe it was off air of like what a what an incredible time it is to be doing this and it's like it's constant man every day it's just a never-ending stream of alien disclosure and mk ultra disclosure and um yeah that's right he's like do you want to talk about that i'm like not really we talk about everything dude yeah we talk about it every day like seven seven episodes a week but um we're used to the idea of clockwork orange where you strap them in a chair and you peel their eyelids open and you subject them to traumatizing you know images and you dose them with psychedelics and everything is to to withdraw away from this stimuli right and gain access i think what i've perceived is gain access illegally to these spiritual realms and this is coming from somebody who's done a fair bit of psychedelics i think i understand a little bit more now and um now that it's viable it works it yields a bunch of things right programmable personalities that emerge states of dissociation or disassociation that allow the individual to remote view or astral project or this and that there's so many fruits you could say fruits that uh have been bore from this kind of technology like you could call it a technology of teaching um now it's in the free range stage so we are actively dosing ourselves we are actively traumatizing ourselves on a daily basis with these little black scrying boxes that we have scrying mirrors and i think that i'm going to use people have to read between the lines i don't want to get you dinged for for the language here um but there is a medical intervention that results in autism and things of that nature and that is the ultimate disassociation these individuals cannot even engage with their physical bodies yeah this this show um as it was like

really picking up one of my friends was like you've got to watch it this is a it's crazy it's right up your lane and he he was right but like for the wrong angles he just thought that we'd find it interesting but immediately these kids start talking about like the the state of disassociation that they're they're having every day and then they talk about uh things like spelling and they and i think it's called like assisted uh i forget exactly the term but like the mother or caretaker will put like an arm or hand and even a finger on the kid just so that they can understand where their body is in uh in comparison to where their spirit is yeah it's like

the physical sensation like it's it's like an anchor point right like here's your it's almost

what they're doing is like here's your body kiddo yeah and they're like from what from what they're explaining these children that are sentient that are in their body but don't have control of it are almost like pulled away from it have you ever seen venom um no the spider-man uh dr strange wax him and the little spirit comes out that's like i sometimes i like that yeah yeah yeah i was i was thinking about the spider-man 3 or whatever where he hits the the poles and the frequency makes the venom come off of oh yeah yeah it's it feels like that but yeah very much like uh out an out-of-body experience is what these kids are having so in the physical they're throwing tantrums they're wearing diapers they're pooping but mentally they're actually there and this this uh podcast series goes through this idea of these kids having telepathy and being able to communicate with their parents and it's actually very interesting everything.

but you know what i watched it um i don't know you guys would i had a european doctor on who's reversing autism you guys should chat to him reversing autism that sounds like a curse that's incredible so he was getting because again i'm very much into what you've just described there and i watched the telepathy tapes and but he was getting into like pulling all the heavy metals out of the brain yeah and he also had a had a theory that these people could be stuck in a trip and what he found was that they had high levels of serotonin and dmt that their body couldn't break down and so once you give the enzymes to break that down some of these people were adults that were non-verbal that are now normal functioning oh my god that's incredible yeah i'll tell you guys up with um dr christian bogner if you want but yeah it's kind of another good segue into do you view things now like meditation or breath work or psychedelics as like bad and evil because They're not in the Bible or, you know, some people say, well, maybe Jesus did eat mushrooms or like where are you at with this other stuff that some maybe traditional Christians say, oh, that's that's where that's witchcraft. You can't have plant medicines or anything like that.

So for me, with meditation, go ahead. Meditation is an interesting one. David meditated, but in the Bible. Yeah. Biblically, not him. He doesn't he doesn't shut up. Can't quiet my mind. David meditated, but when he did, he said a lot. It's like, think on that, which means that he still has an aim. And I think that's, you know, when you're talking about aim, we're talking about sin. And when you're not aimed at a thing, you're sinning. So specifically for me, I'm sinning if I'm not aimed at God. Now, if I meditate and they say, clear your mind, clear your body, clear your soul so that you're an empty vessel. Even Bob Lazar touches on this on the Joe Rogan experience where he goes, yeah, they just see us as containers. Yeah, which I would agree with. And he's correct. Like people are containers where we're meant to be filled up and poured out. Like we're just instruments of worship, whether it be to God or whether it be to, who knows, this sign over here, whatever it is. You worship something. So when we're meditating, I would just be like, be careful emptying yourself out and not being aware what is filling that because you're going to be filled with something. Yeah. So whatever you call in or whatever is around, I believe in localities as well. Like that leads into the psychedelic issue. But yeah, if you're emptying yourself out, I would be aware what you invite to fill you. I would ask God or the Holy Spirit to fill me rather than another entity or idea or presence because that's the realm we live in, I believe. I think we live like the upside down, you know, stranger things kind of nails it. There's something happening on the under tapestry of this carpet that can interact with us in a spiritual way and where we don't perceive it.

Yeah.

Unless you take drugs, DMT, psychedelics, where you can peel back that veil. But now we're talking about issues of legality. Now you stepping into a realm that you don't belong in and know nothing about. And you're just going to go ahead and interact with you. You're swimming with sharks.

Yeah, well, that's and people will accuse Christians of being like fear based. And it's like I I just understand it now as if you want to use a new age principle, this idea of like the fractal nature of reality or even like as above, so below. Like we have laws and systems and inhabitants in this physical realm. There are laws and systems and inhabitants in that spiritual realm. And many of them are, if you don't want to use the term demon, because people get all wrapped up in that, you could say, speak more to their nature, which is parasitic. These things are parasitic. They will influence and whisper to you things that will put you in a state of depression, anxiety, fear, anger, and they will feed off that. Everybody's familiar with the concept of like Loosh, as Robert Monroe puts it. Um, so that's a huge issue right there. And I think that at any given moment, we're giving consent, legal consent, access to ourselves, to things that we can't even perceive. I think when Topps says we're swimming with sharks, in very many ways, that's, that's true. Um, we cannot perceive it. We're in the ocean, we're treading water and around us is all manner of life. Uh, But some of these things don't have your best interest. So as far as these meditative processes and everything, I don't think it's inherently bad. There seems to be a function that people can access these realms. And fasting. Fasting is one that will tune you into the supernatural realm, the spiritual realm, much more so than in a different state. We have a guest that comes on the show, Seth Kicklighter. He wrote a book. it's

a lengthy one i don't think we have it in here so you have to forgive me for not remembering the title of it but a lot of it is based off of realm shenanigans spirit realm shenanigans and a lot of it is based off of analyzing the the writings of robert monroe and coming to a conclusion that these entities that are outside of our physical realm can manufacture entire experience experiences for us so they do this regularly can do this regularly in this uh in the dream state but um in psychedelic induced states or even remote viewing or uh or astral projection many of these experiences uh real you're going through something you're experiencing something you're perceiving something but almost like um people think that this is a simulation right simulation theory in that way you can superimpose that idea over your experiences in those realms in that there's a bandwidth thing there's uh there's a um they're rendering and generating potentially and he makes

a really really good case for this and you're you're actually feeding it the story you told at the top where uh you were saying that your wife is having this experience and your kid is now seeing this thing i was feeding it he was feeding he was going through like a time in his life where he's experiencing a lot of rage, rage, bottling stuff down. And it was, it got to the point where something actually manifested and he was like, yo, this thing was rage embodied.

Oh yeah. Yeah. And that was the impression, which I think counts for a lot when you have these experiences, the impression that you get, uh, this thing was, you know, rage incarnate and, uh, it wasn't too pumped to see him. So when my wife described the same thing and then my son describe the same thing uh this was you know it was a problem you fed you in in a sense like

you're feeding a thing to a point where it has the power to manifest yeah in whether i don't like

yeah this is a good segue into parasitism which you already touched on right and like we spoke about morality and satanist running the world one thing that i try and frame it and honestly if you guys kind of agree with all this is these spirits or entities whatever we want to call them if someone maybe has an affinity for alcohol maybe it's an alcoholic spirit or sex or whatever it is so the more that they can degrade society with like filth and get everyone doing this it's the low level satanism that the public and people say oh they're an mpc or whatever but i don't believe that people don't have souls i tend to think that we're all victims of programming and not knowing the truth right but do you guys where are you at with the whole parasitism like fading different addictions and all the way through to possession.

I mean, I think that even the idea of parasites, it comes up so often in demonic encounters.

You want to tell them a story about Marzinski? Because that's an interesting aside. Oh, dude, yeah.

Have you ever talked to Jerry Marzinski? No. Okay, you should. You'd love him.

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Dr. Jerry Marzinski is a clinical psychologist. He's retired now, I believe, an author, and he worked specifically with schizophrenic patients for like 35 years and he worked with them in a hospital setting until that hospital got shut down and then he moved over to a prison setting now in the hospital setting there's all these rules and regulations you cannot feed into their delusions stick to the book because you know malpractice all these different things um but in the prison setting they kind of don't care uh eventually marzinski comes to the conclusion that these things that the industry is labeling auditory and visual hallucinations do not behave like hallucinations. Hallucinations would be random to a great extent. Of course, they would be flavored by the individual's experiences and belief systems. But he discerned, I believe, up to 23 reliable patterns that these things adhere to, which is not behave like a hallucination would. And so he started to suspect that these things were external to the individual and not just a result of some sort of chemical imbalance in the brain or what have you. And he began to advise these pages.

that they treat them as if they're external, which is phenomenal because the industry takes away that agency, right? It says there's something wrong with you. The only way you're going to fix this is by the pills that don't have a great track record at all. Well, it's kind of what

you were talking about, this idea of the NPC. When we're talking about pills, we're dealing with a society of people that have this blanketed serotonin level. Yeah, they're muted. Yeah, everybody's muted. And even if you're not on pills, like, I don't know, I read some studies where it's like people that take pills, they piss in the water, the drinking water comes back into the tap. And like, to some level, we're all participated in this muted, like, ringing of

what is what should be society. Yeah, yeah. And burnt out of dopamine circuits, and people can't concentrate or think critically, even if they're not on any medication, right? Yeah, yeah. So,

you know, the patients start having success in dealing with these things as if they're external. And some of them are willing to have conversations with them. One of the things that he discovers is that the drug use, so almost every schizophrenic individual that you're going to come in contact with has a history of childhood trauma, which I think is, it swings the door open and it allows this thing that I described as generational iniquity to take place. This thing has legal rights over your bloodline because of this great sin. Now, in the Bible, it says Jesus Christ has paid the debt. the blood of jesus christ has paid that debt because this is all legal it's all a legal

exchange it's it's funny right there's like science articles now saying like oh it seems that mothers can pass down you know certain traits for like seven generations from trauma from trauma yeah says that in the bible but you know congrats on figuring out i guess which is

so often the case um but this this debt has already been paid a lot of people aren't aware of that they don't understand that legal aspect right we're talking about the spiritual realm There is a lot of legality going on here and sacrifices, which we see this occult side doing all the time. The purer the sacrifice, the more effective it is at transmuting reality. This the purest one has happened already. And the debt has been paid to wipe the slate clean for any of these iniquities or or, you know, accesses that have been given over to the spiritual realm over us.

Even that idea, sorry to interrupt, is very interesting because from a Christian standpoint, people wouldn't want to even discuss the death of Jesus Christ as this – they wouldn't want to discuss the similarities of that sort of sacrifice to what we'd see like maybe at an Epstein Island. In Satanism, yeah.

Yeah. They don't have a stranglehold on those operations. They cannot create anything. They only invert God's laws and his own building blocks to this realm. It seems like that's how it works. That's how it works. And the best one already happened. And the thing that it was trying to buy was us. Everybody's sacrificing things. These Satanists are sacrificing things. These occultists are sacrificing things to buy something.

What's the rapper that had a closet full of dead chickens?

Oh, I forget what her name was. But yeah, it's some female rapper or R&B artist who's showing off her chicken killing closet. It's actually fully out on display now. so many people in the hip hop industry in particular are showing you that they participate in in santaria or santa muerte and they're sacrificing animals to this deity for wealth and that deity for romantic success and they're doing it like it's mtv cribs like they're just showing you on the internet it's crazy as hell um i actually saw that clip if it's the same one that

you just described i saw that it was gross in a random documentary i was watching she had like blood and all that in the corner of her bathroom and said she hadn't planned in years or something But there's a crazy synchronicity for you guys.

Yeah, that's how it goes, man. So these people are doing that to do what? To buy things. This is a currency. This sacrifice is a currency. The purer the sacrifice, the virgin sacrifice, the unblemished lamb sacrifice, whatever it is, the purer it is, the more that it buys. People don't want to see that. Yeah, you're right, Top. The average Christian doesn't want to say. It's uncomfortable. Because that's effectively what happened. But what was bought was us so that we could have salvation so we don't perish. So, anywho, anyway, so going back to this Marzinski story, you know, they say a number of things to him. And like I said, the drug usage beyond the childhood trauma, the drug usage was another one. He said certain drugs kick that spiritual door open. Some put a doorstopper in. One in particular is methamphetamine, said it was so hard to close that door after stopping the usage of methamphetamine. And that door being, I think the way that Marzinski described it, we all have this. We all have these intrusive thoughts that feel uncharacteristic of our own nature or our own thing. thinking processes. You see an old lady, you're like, I wonder if I should punch her. I wonder if I should punch her. And you don't do it, but you have other ideas too, right? Like sometimes ideas pass across your awareness and you almost interact with them, right? So there is the thinker, the thing that analyzes the ideas, but then there is the idea that almost feels alive. Like it landed in your lap. Like you didn't think about it. The muse. The muse is a great example over and over again. I mean, we have no shortage of people in the industries, you name it. That's why i said the industries any of the arts who are channeling to get their ideas so it seems that ideas in some great way come from something external to the individual david ike for instance channel i think he channeled some of his books well i mean if you look at his uh i think it's his own biography he says that he had what he thought was a stroke at first um and he channeled the uh disembodied spirits of ancient atlantean masters right which you know is fantastic yeah and i don't think that i don't think that he is lying i don't think david ike is lying it's just oftentimes when a spirit comes to us and it shows us anything it's so profound dude it's so unbelievable that this is even happening that we mistake that for the truth and i think

just to yeah just to jump in with the you said that you mentioned the methamphetamine leaving the door open so i i broke my back playing aussie rules football and ended up getting addicted to oxycontin okay opioids and i likened it once i got off them and got clean and stuff i likened it to being possessed it's like it's like it's just so hard to describe to people and so when people see other addicts like doing these things that they'll never normally do right harming family members yeah blah blah then i think we have to start thinking like it and again i think know how magical this realm is in pharmacopoeia and i think it's so much more advanced than it's just oh it's a tablet that's kind of hijacking your brain a little bit so that's um yeah i really

think there's a thread to pull on there i mean tucker said it right we're we we've been stripped of our understanding of the spiritual realm we live in this materialistic realm and we've tossed out the idea of the spiritual realm much to our detriment i also don't want to strip it of the

this materialistic part because you know as a pharmacist there is a chemical component to these these things and that chemical component makes us susceptible to the spiritual things so right now as a as a i guess as a race a human race we're dealing with them like two separate things like oh there's a spiritual rum and some people are very woo woo you know maybe they'll put crystals in their butt and go do ayahuasca in the forest and then you have guys that are very serious and they're like no no there is a chemical scientific explanation i'm like these things interact with each other and the big trick is that we don't want to put them together or look at them on the

same table that's like when you have the alien disclosure thing and they're talking about reverse engineered technology and zero point this and that and i'm like what are the nature of the entities what do they want you know um but i think that over and over again in our research it appears that our our brains are a sort of frequency receiver and it's a highly advanced form of frequency receiving that it does and it's altered it's it's frequency dial is changed by chemicals so various chemicals will will alter the the the waves or the frequencies that we can perceive and these entities over and over again seem to exist in frequency it actually goes back to the telepathy tapes thing um which by the way one more little thing on the on the marzinski note he did have a patient who said the voices want me to let you know that they said you have no right to interfere with their way of life over and over again their way of life seems to be parasitic and they operate best when you don't perceive them as external when you think they are you when you identify with the thoughts they operate the best as soon as you start to treat them as if they're not your own thoughts it's like i caught you like you shine a light on this and you're like what a second they're actually very weak right so once again christianity is in its form that i've come to understand it is not fear-based we don't have anything to fear if we're with god these other things are parasitic worms just to use the you know the analogy for real life parasites biological parasites um they can be dealt with there's nothing to fear i don't walk around in my everyday life with fear people will hear this worldview and go oh my god you must be so scared christians i'm not scared of shit ever dude like literally never i do not i don't issue black pills there's no doomer shit coming from our show at all it doesn't exist uh whatsoever so i just want to lay that out but um going back to the telepathy tapes wait a second i think uh

sorry you were trying to say i was just gonna say the way you frame that then is just know know thyself right and all this effort to deceive us about who we are and this perception on our reality, people are lost. don't know themselves and so when they don't know if that voice is internal or external that's really i haven't heard anyone frame like that before but it's so sneaky it's it's actually

very weak there's even like more layers to that because the know know thyself thing is a it's a it's an interesting starting point but in a way like who are who are any of us we're like one of a billion people just passing through this thing and how however long this world's been going on And if we're lucky, we get 120 years. That's pretty much like the max of what we're going to do. What the hell could we know? So like I said, we're containers. I agree, Bob Lazar. I'm not going to be discouraged by what you're saying here, but it's like, well, what am I filling myself up with? I can fill myself up with something that's going to deceive me and lie to me or maybe give me these short-term gains, or I could fill myself up with the thing that I think is the absolute truth. And whatever that is to you, I know what it is to me. so if I know God

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it's like it's like my compass so i cannot stray too far from whichever way i'm headed so knowing myself is good but a lot of people that know themselves like we were just talking like talking about one of our friends they're like yeah the world is like objective and i'm spinning up there's no up there's no down it's like he knows himself right no no no there has to be a clear objective we have to know what is up what is down which way we're headed and then and then we can start to trust ourselves but always have that connection to where we're going

yeah you have to be oriented towards towards the truth and i think that's like when the bible says jesus christ is the way the truth and the life and the now the path is narrow like yeah dude yeah people people have gotten up into this thing where like truth if you look at the let's say culturally speaking from like the left truth becomes uh you know subjective and and it's debased and there's multiple truths all at once like no no there's not there there actually is one and this game that we seem to be existing in is one where these gigantic systems will give you a lot of truth dude like there's a lot of truth in wiccan there's a lot of truth in paganism there's a lot of truth in the occult there's a lot of truth in all these things there's a lot of truth in the telepathy tapes like the but they use that delivery vehicle of all this truth to trojan horse you into into one lie one fundamental lie that'll exist in there and then that lie will change but it's usually you know pretty similar like i said the one that i've really zeroed in on is like this redefining of christ that happens pretty consistently i bet

you he doesn't know this but what what do you think the main point of the telepathy tapes was like at at the very end of it what what was the focus from kai dickens

i i think they were trying to frame like that we need to like kind of towards humans can be more or that we need to upgrade or unlock more superpowers kind of thing right we need to ascend

right we all need to like so they they framed the autism that these kids were suffering through through like what seems like mk ultra techniques free range mk ultra techniques as a gift when i'm listening to it i said this seems a little bit like a curse um but the main sorry i well

yeah this ascend thing right you can be as guys it's the same it's the same lie that the serpent cells in the garden you know that we can ascend and we can be as gods effectively when i saw yeah

I picked up my thought where I wanted to go here, but an interesting tidbit there that's like not many people know. I think episode six of that season one, she had Dr. Joel Enfranco.

Oh, Joe Enfranco. Joe Enfranco.

Joe Enfranco. And he was the—

He's a pastor.

He was the pastor, and he was the guy that was talking about—he worked with kids like this nonverbal autist where they were doing spelling, and he's figured this out on his own through his Christian ministry. we had him on the show and

And he's just like he we were talking and he was like, yeah, one thing I was really confused about is like they removed like every mention of Jesus Christ.

These kids are interacting with Jesus Christ in a heavy way. That's all redacted.

That's pretty much his entire experience. Every single one of these kids is interacting with Jesus Christ on the hill somewhere doing something like this. But during the telepathy tapes, when they were aired, they were edited out completely. And he was like, I just can't figure out why she did that. And I was like, hate to break it to you, Joe, but it seemed like there was a little bit of a narrative here that they were pushing forward. And that narrative was a new age one. And we're talking about ascension. We're talking about enlightenment, hiring your frequency or whatever.

When these kids are all injured, they're all injured. Like this is a terrible thing that has happened to these children. And and we want to talk about it like it's the next stage in human development. I think telepathy and these other faculties do exist within us. You know, maybe if you want to get highly speculative, that's what was happening at the Tower of Babel when we were all of one language and all of one goal moving towards something, you know, getting into these heavenly realms. And God seems to have confused us, confused the languages, scattered us. Maybe it's old factory settings. Maybe there's something in the human DNA that still has access to that. But the way to get it is trauma.

We also communicate kind of telepathically with our wives. oftentimes like you know there there'll be times where i'm thinking a song in my head and she continues to sing it at like right at that at that point yeah i think that's just like being together a lot so there is something about human beings that we do have this but the more we uh extrapolated on this and thought about i'm like telepathy seems like a low level version of communication or a version that we perhaps shouldn't use and a way less powerful version so we have the largest podcast in the world telling us that we have to ascend so that way we could be like these guys and imagine if we could all be a hive mind and talk to each other in our heads all the time you can have any hidden thoughts and we could just be communicating because that's another thing the kids they couldn't lie right because they're always they didn't have the the

cultural you know yeah they one they could perceive each other in such a way as they could not lie but also they didn't have the societal and cultural baggage that made them lie they didn't have any life experience that would be conducive to lying um because of their state yeah there'd be the

there'd be the wild west these days with the the thoughts going on in everyone's uh heads around the world yeah you could read each other's minds so humanity wouldn't be ready ready for it at the

moment anyway well we're talking about frequency right and and in the bible it says god used the word to create the universe he spoke the universe into existence i think that something powerful about frequency about speaking and i think that when you look into again sounds new age right like manifestation because it's dude it's there's so many truths there's so many truths in all of the things that they're talking about the new age movement is talking about like it's not all inherently evil it's just like what conclusion do you draw like that's the problem it's like you look at this universe and you realize that there is frequency and spirituality and and you know psychedelics can have this experience and that experience and you can commune with different entities that are not in the physical yes yes yes yes dude spot on a hundred percent and you're having profound experiences that are leading you towards conclusions. It's like, what are these conclusions? But if God spoke the universe into existence, like maybe speaking, maybe using the word is more powerful than we understand. We have a kind of a guy that appears on the show. He's almost a mentor of ours. And he maintains that when you speak a thing, it happens in the spiritual realm and then eventually manifests in the real world. And that's a New Age principle in a lot of ways and one that i do not disagree with and so on the flip side of that coin every demonic encounter that anybody has every alien encounter that somebody has every even cryptids for those of you that believe in those these things are all speaking telepathically these low vibrational parasitic nightmare creatures are speaking telepathically yeah just like a a recent story

that director he said he encountered a gray at uh some island in like an alaska oh no that was

the nordic he encountered a nordic island is is it a tall white or something and been like maine

or something like that yeah the guy knew who he was kind of like read his thoughts and then told him to turn around and go home and they were not within speaking distance and he said the guy's lips never moved but he was like eight feet tall blonde hair so he's communicating telepathically

Yeah. And I'm just not so caught up. I think when a thing is profound and it's new, we do a mistake, we make a mistake, and it is therefore good and the truth. An entity appears to you. You think that when Aleister Crowley communed with AWOS or Lamb, that the profundity of that experience didn't make him go, this is good and true? you know now we understand crowley is doing sex magic and he's in alter

states constantly and calls himself the wickedest man and i know that a lot of that was kind of a trope because that's what he was being labeled as um but you look at lamb and it looks like the visage of a modern day gray alien there's so much that seems to be wrong there i don't think that crowley thought he was wrong i don't think that he thought he was doing evil i mean he's he made these proclamations of being the wickedest man but i think it's because well obviously his upbringing and the loss of his father, who was, I believe, a pastor or a priest, and it pushes him in this direction, and then, you know, sort of society labels him this, and so he embraces it, which is something that I think we're guilty of, too. It's like, you want to call us this and that? Fine. We're this and that, dude. So in that way, you know, Crowley is, you know, almost a rebellious individual that you can't blame, but I don't think the dude genuinely thought he was doing evil. I don't think anybody who is doing that, there's very far and few in between, in my estimation, that are engaging in, let's say, like ritual and ceremony and things like that, that aren't justifying it.

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And it's rooted in some good in their mind. You know, so we have this thing by nature of seeing something that the materialistic realm says does not exist or interacting with something that doesn't exist. It's so profound, changes the paradigm, must be good and true. And that's a huge mistake. And I think telepathy is one of those things where it's like, yeah, man, it's a reality. It's a reality, but I don't think that it is – I think it's far in second place, third place, whatever, to the spoken word.

Well, also on the idea of telepathy, if we can go back a little bit more where you were talking about that doctor that found heavy metals in the brain. Dude, you're good. that were removed that it the telepathy tapes led us down such a crazy path because i think in episode two they they mentioned uh man what's his name is it buharage yeah they mentioned buharage yeah yeah dr andreja buharage who comes around in like 1947 and starts getting patents for uh his dental tooth implant and basically it's like a metal dental tooth implant and they were using it to do voice the skull technology so think about um you you're familiar with like those headphones that will go on your like right here on your head and it'll vibrate but it'll create the sensation of sound same thing in your tooth yeah it's a really famous instance of lucille ball

who um you know she had and i don't even know how she got this it might have been i don't think they were free-ranging it you think they were yeah it's possible and they're doing it Hollywood too they need evangelists a lot of this experiences that people have part of the point is to go on and evangelize and it's usually to evangelize like a Gnostic gospel or something like that but they want people to spread this information one way or another that they're getting from these deceptive spirits but in the case of Lucille Ball she goes and has routine you know dental procedure done and gets this implant and starts picking up music in her head as she's driving we've all seen that trope like Looney Tunes used to do that they would get braces and pick up frequencies and such. So she's complaining about it to somebody and they say, did you get dental surgery recently? She said, yeah, I did. So he explains that there's heavy metals that are put in the tooth. Metal is a conductor, a conductor of what? Frequency, right? So I don't know if you see where we're going now with these kids, but it goes to such an extreme that Lucille Ball ends up thwarting a Japanese insurgency because she hears their communications in her head. So it's this really famous story. Oh, how quirky. They realize that it works. This tooth implant works. Now, the nervous system that's attached to the teeth goes directly to the brain. It's like the shortest route. That's why it's so dangerous if you get like a tooth infection and you don't, you know, take care of it because it can go straight to your brain. So what would be better than the teeth is the brain, but you have the issue of the blood-brain barrier. How do you get these implants in living individuals? Well, what if you have a procedure that is elongated over time in youth, right? Happens a little bit at a time and it deposits heavy metals in the brain, directly in the brain. Now, not only are you in this state of disassociation, you can't engage with your body, you have frequency conducting heavy metals directly in your brain. These things we've... already talked about exist in frequency when people are channeling that's where they exist

some another tidbit of information i was just looking up the exact uh air uh uh sorry uh naval base our army base that puharch was located at because he was in the army while he's doing well he gets out of the army then he starts developing these patents but he came out of edgewood arsenal and edgewood arsenal is directly connected to a lot of mk ultra experiments so now we're dealing with different chemical formulas we're dealing with different techniques of how to basically how to get stuff inside people and see what happens and now at this point you know

we talked about the free range aspect before you're traumatizing yourself with your little scrying you know box or scrying mirror um we're all on low grade ssris probably at any given time we're using psychedelics to do this that and the other thing to commune with the spiritual we all have doing heavy metals in our brain that's the other thing yeah rogan is a whole other i love joe rogan but there's something really strange when it comes to promoting psychedelics and float tanks and the john c lily sort of dolphin experiments with the float tanks with psychedelics that mk ultra becomes very fascinated in and if you look at laurel canyon and the popularization of the psychedelics movement that was manufactured by military intelligence then joe rogan comes along and he creates another psychedelics experience resurgence you know culturally speaking um it to me it seems too serendipitous to to be um uh innocuous but yeah i mean they're getting these medals into your brain directly much of the programs that came out of mk ultra you know they say mk ultra went away whatever year it's like no it it was viable and it went to the free range state and it was implemented implemented at scale and i think a lot of it is to like the gate program the gifted and talented i think the selection process is for these programs that's what the gate is it's it's to find candidates that are suited for

because they discovered some people are more receptive to this think about the severity and again like for uh youtube's sake but like i went from 16 when i was a kid like that's what i got the schedule's crazy now my kids 72 something like that yeah oh absolutely yeah and i've obviously

got the full indoctrination when i went through uni and then i've come full circle and realized the truth now that yeah there's no safe amount of heavy metal in the human body which is like all things in nature right yeah but um well i'm not sure how you guys are going for time but um i'd love to know what's the most interesting conversations you've had recently or rabbit holes you've been going down things that blow in your mind change your opinion yeah um for me

um this is just coming to the top of the head so if anybody hears this and they're like what about me if forgive me but karen wilkinson we do so many interviews we do so many i mean we're doing like seven episodes a week karen wilkinson um is an author and she's a christian she works with uh la marzulli vicky joy anderson they do a fantastic job of looking at sleep paralysis demonic encounters alien abductions karen wilkinson is an abductee victim who recalls a lot of her experience and one of the more fascinating things she said she has children that would fit the black-eyed children kind of paradigm so for people that are familiar with the abduction experience there seems to be a phenomenon of impregnation and then you know the baby mysteriously disappears only later on to be reintroduced to the mother and in the 80s they looked like kind of grotesque grays mixed with humans big black eyes pale skin um and that's kind of refined over time the more you look into the testimony the more the children bear a greater resemblance to human beings instead of grace she's had that experience she has children that she's been introduced to that felt like her own children but were uncanny and and barely responsive and lacked any of the social um elements that you know kids of their age would typically have the other thing that she said was that in one particular instance she saw the greys discarded in a heap on the ship

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Um, they smelled foul like sulfur and

and uncleaned you know unwashed and um and they seem to be suits almost in their in the way that they were discarded they had no life in them um and it led to this speculation of hers that i think has some real legs that the grays are automatic automatons which is pretty consistent with people's experiences no uh reproductive organs no emotional range just sort of a hive mind worker bee um kind of a feel and in that way it's kind of allowed us to speculate you know in the in the greater hybridization program nephilim aliens what's the connection here demons are spirits then how are demons aliens how are they the same thing i think the array that is demonic has been so diversified there's so many different things now um that are biological or or technological or otherwise that are in that camp and i think that there's a chance based off of her story that these things are automatons that can be inhabited temporarily by a spirit that have very limited um capacity they just do a thing or maybe they just get turned off and left in a heap But, you know, her stories and her estimation of the alien phenomenon have really informed my worldview and helped me to put these things together in such a way that when Steven Spielberg comes along and says Christians are going to have a real hard time with their faith when they watch Disclosure Day or people that say when aliens reveal themselves, what are Christians going to do? I am so firm in my position, not that I couldn't be introduced to information that wouldn't make me move things around and see how they fit, but the Christian worldview accommodates all of this in such a way that I look at these people who say, you're going to be shaken up, and I go, we talk about this every single day, and there's nothing that doesn't fit. There's nothing that gives me pause. I come from a line. My grandmother was an alien abductee victim, and her life was cut pretty short because of the stresses of that and the abuse, the alcohol abuse that she went into. My bloodline is filled with iniquity. My aunt is schizophrenic in the worst possible way. All of the kids of my generation experience all of the things, the strangest things. and where i sit now because of conversations with people like karen like none of this is even remote i feel bad if if you're a christian and you're just going through the motions because yeah you will be shaken up you know if you if you don't yeah that's pretty crazy i haven't

heard that that take before either and it kind of gets me thinking about when we hear stories of military bases where they're growing things in tanks whether it be grays or hybrids or celebrities um and then you see like the eyes change or something are they like possessed or or whatever it all kind of ties into that one thing what you just described yeah by the way i

do think that a great deal of alien abductions are an extension of that same kind of mk ultra style um project because so often military personnel are present in in these people's stories uh medical personnel are present scientific personnel are present among this array of so i think there is There's a chance even that many of the things people encounter are just kind of nightmare chimeric creatures that are cooked up in a lab and meant to maybe create a screen memory for some nefarious intelligence agency operation that you actually went through. And you're meant to remember this automaton or, you know, so often people will describe cryptids, Dogman being one that's pretty famous right now, in and around military bases. That's where the encounter happened within a radius of only a few miles or even right up against the gate, let's say, of a military base. I've heard hundreds of these to the extent where I don't think people are lying anymore. You're just collecting data and patterns, and I think that, yeah, they're probably cooking up things, and I don't think it's any different than what used to happen.

There are people out there like Albarino that are fighting for disclosure, and I guess their reason is to expose a lot of these crimes because in a sense, they're just straight-up crimes. If you're going to be taking people from their homes and impregnating them against their will or performing experiments on them, wiping their brain, and the government's implicit and involved with this, it needs to be exposed. On the other side of that, when you do expose it, what happens? And we're living that right now. I don't know what's happening in Australia, but, like, there's a slow drip here before the dam breaks. And who knows?

Are you guys getting disclosure in the same way or is it? kind of people watching the american government oh and in terms of like alien disclosures yeah yeah there's been a big push um yeah there's a couple of aussie guys on like journalists on 60 minutes like the mainstream ones the last few years that have really been ramping it up and stuff and we've got a long history here with pine gap and our nuclear experiments and um but yeah australia is a very very weird place with heaps of conspiracy and occult stuff as well i'm I'm not sure if you guys have ever been down the Australia rabbit hole much.

No, I honestly would love to have you on because I don't know anything about Australia. We'd love to have you on some time to talk about it because you kind of alluded to that before we started the show, too. And, you know, the kind of correlation between America and Australia.

What I do know about Australia is that it seems like most of it's not inhabited. It seems like a lot of it is kind of like a desert or something.

Seems like there's some some folks are drinking gasoline. I mean, you know, I think a lot of what happened, especially, you know, during the pandemic, was like they were testing it on you guys. You guys were almost ground zero for some of the most egregious government overstepping.

We've been ground zero since 1778, which I'd love to get into with you guys. You guys are the Petri dish. They're testing it on you.

That's interesting. Everything. That's interesting. and pine gap might be the most important military deepest military base in the world from people that i've interviewed that said i've been there and stuff so you're talking about deep underground military bases like that style have you heard of pine gap it's like in the middle of it's the middle of the outback of the desert and it's the the key of the five eyes alliance and people like victims that i've spoken to that have been to underground military bases said it's like it's that deep and it's connected to everywhere around the world and that's incredible we'll we'll talk

after the show and and get you booked with you know see what you're scared i'd love to talk about

can i can i say what my uh favorite and not favorite episode but like my favorite thing it'll be quick i promise uh on a recent episode we were talking with uh rob skeba's son jeremiah skeba you know who rob skeba is he was like um maybe he's like a og uh nephilim dude like he knew flat earther too flat earther yeah anyway his son's out there doing great work and we found out that elephants have breasts did you know that have breasts not like not like udders like they

have like tits breast yeah i didn't know that like a lady they got two hang hanging heavies

and i i think it might be a mandela effect because i don't remember that as a kid you think everybody would know that but yeah if you google that uh listeners at home elephant tits elephant tits is crazy and they look like they look like boobs yeah like you could put a bra on

an elephant and you would be like damn you know i had no idea i would have imagined they had udders like uh why even put them on there this is very strange actually yeah you'd imagine there'd be better ways to feed. There are non-canonical Jewish texts that talk about at the Tower of Babel. It elaborates this idea that when God confused the languages and scattered the nations in these Jewish texts, it even claims that some were turned into animals and the elephant is one of them. If you look at the structural design of the foot, yeah, it looks just like a human's

It doesn't look at all like what you would think, given the it looks like a human's foot on a high heel and then standing on like a thing of blood, which is not the pig conspiracy as well.

Yeah, I think that is in there. But the idea that that pigs were well, it goes both ways. Pigs are either a byproduct of us or we're a byproduct, a genetic, you know, deviation of pigs, which is very fun. That's why we're so compatible when it comes to, you know, I guess in some cases how we should get them. raiders over this oh that's interesting too that we shouldn't eat them because they're riddled with parasites so are we so are we we all have uh parasite issues well guys i could chat to you

for hours i love it anything um i'll put all the links to follow you guys on all your socials down

below but any final thoughts from both of you um not not necessarily a thought but we do a live event i don't want to get out of here without mentioning this we do a live event i know most of your audience is likely in in australia but um we do a show called brohemian grove and um last year we had sam tripoli and owen benjamin headlining the event and uh we get everybody together you know in this kind of conspiracy community who can make it and we we just come down and it's it's heavy on the comedy um but we talk about all sorts of things and you know it's it's a fantastic time we're doing the next one brohemian grove is happening here in florida uh on august 8th so if anybody's interested if you have anybody that's in the in the area that would like to be a part of it we have so many people coming out i can't even name it i think the list right now is like there's like 25 different podcasts that are coming out to hang out with us um toplobster.com uh my co-host namesake just go there and that's where our merch is going to be but it's also where the tickets to

uh brohimi and grove are going to be awesome i'll link that for you guys but any thoughts from you

lobster on anything at all before we wrap it up i have very few original thoughts and the ones that i do i'm not even sure on my own as we've discussed like just floating through the ether no i mean this was a great time man i i appreciate you uh you having us on yeah thank you alex i do have a

question what what time is it right now for you uh it's quarter past 12 and this is the latest podcast i've done in a few years but uh it's it's what we're gonna do right when we're on different

sides of the world wow well thank you for making the time for us dude this is a pleasure i really

appreciate it i do appreciate that man thank thank you for having us dude no stress it's great to get

you get to know you guys properly as well and um yeah well done only success and we'll probably collab again in future so take care you too cheers guys cool need better internet

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