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You put on a mountain of influence to bring your sons and daughters into the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And we ask that you be glorified in this podcast and in this interview. Lord, your word says we will open our mouth and you will put words in them. So I just want to make sure that you understand, Lord, that we know things, but we know nothing compared to you. And I want to offer you the opportunity to join us and to disclose what you want to disclose. Lord, I ask that you give us access to the deep recesses of our minds and that we pull out information that not only will teach people lessons, but will captivate them. And, Lord, we bind now in the name of Jesus Christ, the prince of the powers of the air, and decree and declare that you shall not interfere with this podcast or this recording in any way, shape, or form. And we invite the prince of peace into this. and, Lord, the spirits that are contending against my brothers to not allow them to ascend the mountain of influence. As a king and priest of the order of Melchizedek, and one you have assigned to the mountain of influence, I decree and declare they all fall down now in the name of Jesus Christ. I decree and declare the circumstances surrounding them that would slow them down. Every circumstance, the head is cut off of it and the legs are cut off of it now in the name of Jesus Christ. Lord, I ask that you be exalted through their efforts and that you bring souls into the kingdom, that these people that they listen to, Lord, that they be educated and turned into watchmen so that their family members and their friends and the people surrounding them, that they can come into the kingdom and not be deceived. Your word says, be not ignorant of the devices of the devil. Least Satan get advantage of you. Lord, you're raising up men to teach people not to be ignorant of very specific devices. And I thank you, Lord. And we decree and declare victory in the name of Jesus Christ and say amen amen powerful that was a banger man oh nah bro I don't interviews for me bro like when Wes was like hey James you're supposed to be interviewing them I was like okay he was like what's wrong I said no I mean you know we don't Wes will tell you we don't pick who we interview he'll be sitting there and sitting at his computer and something will pop up and God will say hey interview those guys or James needs to go over there and then I'll just go so it nobody encounters me unless god wants them to encounter me so i just whatever it is i love that

i love that's how we moved that is how we move yeah let's we tell a little bit about how like

we even got here what we're even doing yeah yeah yeah well i mean you know wherever it goes it goes uh i'm i'm excited oh it's it's about to go watch this let's get it started record this meeting is being recorded what's up ladies and gentlemen it's your boy the one and only james williams dark waters and i'm back and i got another interview with you guys and i'm excited I'm gonna tell you why I'm excited because you know I do a lot of individual videos where I be talking about strange and weird and freaky stuff that be going on but you got to kind of be a little cuckoo for Jesus to really talk about these things in the public side because you got to deal with all the people saying bad stuff about you and all the rest of this so when I find some people who are excited look at this look at the camera when I find people excited are talking about the same thing I'm talking about then I just I'm happy to have the conversation so right now i want to introduce you guys i have the nephilim death squad podcast on with me and i have david and i have top lobster now don't worry about the top g andrew tate because he's a top loser they got a video going viral with him right now in a casino with a headless man don't believe

me go look it up on twitter oh that's where he's wearing like the silk shirt like see through silk

yeah you saw it moving a little strange clearly the top g right now is running around with a bunch of demons something going on with the top g or maybe he just deleted the head to go viral He's smart enough to do that. But anyway, gentlemen.

So let's let's get the ball rolling. Tell everybody about your journey into not only YouTube, but more importantly, your journey into the understanding of, you know, that that there's some weird, freaky, crazy stuff going on and we need to talk about it. How did you get to the point where you decided, hey, I'm gonna turn on the microphone and I'm gonna talk about this. So make it funny.

It's a it's a long story, but I'll give you the the short of it. I was personally born into a family that I believe was riddled with generational iniquity. And so my grandmother was a alien abductee victim since childhood. And I don't know if it started with her, but she dealt with these things in the incorrect way. She gravitated towards the new age and, you know, sort of clairvoyant practices. And I guess you could call it probably Wiccan. And and the fruits are evident in the generations that follow my aunt, her her daughters, you know, schizophrenic, which I do believe is a spiritual ailment. And there are all these instances in my lineage of people having these strange experiences, myself included, kind of the run-of-the-mill things, shadow people, sleep paralysis. Eventually, these things lead to a much bigger event where I encountered a demon, and I honestly kept my mouth shut about it because it was so horrifying and hard to deal with until my wife and my son saw it as well. And I had to have some sort of recourse. And maybe we'll get into that. But all of these events in my life, they lead me to, you know, thank God for the Internet. Early 2005, 2006, I start looking up the things that my family is experiencing, the things that I'm experiencing. And there's no shortage of other people having these experiences. And that just kicks the door open from supernatural phenomenon to conspiracy. Right. What does it all mean? Why are these things happening? Are these things demonic? And what that ends up leading to is all of the prevalence of the symbolism inside Hollywood and the music industry. And, you know, as far as demonic sigils and symbolism, it becomes very clear that everything is is satanic, you know, in the major industries. And that I mean, that's a lifelong thing now. I'm 36 years old. I started this probably 15, 16 years old. So all the meaningful years of my life have been spent looking into this phenomenon, and it wasn't until maybe 32 or 33 that I started to make content about it because part of the reason was I still wasn't sure. I wasn't sure about the nature of this thing that I was looking at, and I never deigned to be a teacher. I still don't. But eventually I crossed this sort of this line in the sand where I made a decision to start pursuing Christ. And I think that I was always meant to do a podcast, but it was about that. And thank God it didn't happen any sooner. Thank God that God didn't put it on my heart to start making shows about this topic because I would have flubbed it. I didn't know what I was

dealing with. It's funny, as we do like more Bible studies and stuff, you see a lot of people try to push god's timeline like moses goes and kills a guy in egypt and god was like oh 40 years you know like you still got some time yeah or was it was it 30 years before it's like all right now we can start moving so like you said before we we're very similar in the same way where we don't really do anything unless god god like really pushes it yeah and and we're trying our best to understand what that sounds like because it's a still small voice so like we're a lot of times i'm sitting still until we're ready to just bounce and when we bounce we move we really do yeah shake some

stuff i'll tell you what though if if you knew us personally you would say uh there's no way that whatever we've done here with nephilim death squad is even possible without god because uh you know we have our skill sets we're sharp in this department we're we're not in others and uh this thing moves because god wants it to move hey everybody lady luck here and we're

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I'll tell you what, you guys are going to be – that's wild. You guys are going to ascend to a height on a mountain that people are going to dream about. You really are. So there's training that you go through in a secret place. It's like this phase where you're not getting the views, where you're kind of there. You're in secret. And in secret is where you get made. Like you'll be hitting. You'll be doing it, but you're like, man, I'm not getting the traction. I'm not blowing up. It's because you're in secret. And it's in that secret place that God makes you so when you get to the highest heights, you don't embarrass him. So what you're going through is a secret place. And so as you're in that secret place, enjoy the secret place because there's training that come through the secret place. You're there. Then you get a little bit of prominence. Then you get attacked. And then the Lord checks your heart to see, okay, are you going to come back to me and talk to me about people attacking you? Are you going to argue with people who are attacking you? Do you know you're on a mission for me or not? And who are you going to listen to? So you guys are just in a secret place. It's a great thing. But you guys are going to be phenomenal. Even as you're talking, the Lord's just saying, no, they're going to be big, James. And I'm like, well, that's awesome. That's great.

I love that, though, James, that idea of going back, you know, getting attacked and then going back and checking with God. Because we have taken – go ahead.

We're going through that iteration again right now where you just said, as a matter of fact, what Pastor Mark preached on. I knew you heard that. I knew you heard that. He was talking to you. I went – all right. So about a year ago, right behind me is a poster that we did. hold on, as opposed to that we did for Bohemian Grove. Bohemian Grove, four now we're doing? Now we're going number four, yeah. Yeah, so this was three. And that show took a lot out of us. And it came with a ton of spiritual attack. We lost friendships. We lost business partners doing this. We lost a venue. We lost a theater. We got kicked out of a town for hosting somebody.

They wrote articles about us and everything.

Yeah, because we hosted Owen Benjamin. And we had Sam Tripoli, Shane Cashman, Jake Shields. I mean tons of people were here but uh because we uh deigned to invite Owen Benjamin they were like it's an absolute no-go doesn't matter how much money doesn't matter what there's no negotiation so we were kicked out of a theater kicked out of a town lost friendships because of because I wouldn't uh negotiate I don't negotiate with terrorists I'm not going to negotiate with the devil and this was an ideological attack very clear it was a it was a very clear like distinction here like what are you going to do do you want to keep this uh worldly thing and do this thing in this theater or do you want to do it in this moose lodge or we didn't even have a place we didn't have a place we just lost the but if you want to do it there you're going to sell out you're going to sell out all of your principles everything that you've been saying up until now that was the testing ground are you going to do this and to me it was like it was easy it was no question it was like covid where they're like you're going to put that in your arm and that was the easy spot i say no right away how many times can you say no to the system before it starts to get you know like really in your face but uh one of the friendships that we lost actually again so we're doing brohemian grove again next month yep it's coming up next month and we have owen benjamin coming back he's coming back just to hang out and the same person kind of rears his ugly head

the same relationship that falls apart and i think what became clear is like so we had an interaction with this person and there was this opportunity to to reconcile it seemed right turned out uh homeboy's heart is still hardened very hard and now they're publicly saying things and they're not true and it's argumentative the arrows are coming again and and you know both top and i can feel it it's this um this pull into the argument this pull into the fight oh it's strong

i mean i i messaged our our video editor and i said on monday we're gonna make a clip because i'm gonna cut this guy down at the legs yeah so be ready and he just goes okay boss and then we

went to church and i'm sitting next to him and the pastor is talking about forgiveness and what forgiveness actually is and this this letting go of this thing that is corrosive and acidic and it eats you from the inside and and you know to actually let it be because vengeance is in ours it's for the lord we're not avengers was the analogy that he was using and i'm sitting there because i saw that message come into our video editor you know we're gonna we're gonna get him i'm listening and i'm like he's talking to him he's talking to him and uh they did an altar call

I'm like, I'm not doing it. I don't do the whole show thing. Raise your hand. Like, no, that's not for me. But I'm listening. I did tell him after. Oh, did you? Yeah, I went to him and I said, hey, you know, I didn't come up. But I know when they're in their study and they're making these things, they're like, I don't know why God told me to say this today for whatever. Because it is like a bit of a, it's a general message in a way. Sure. But to deliver that, I mean, on Friday or Saturday, I told this to our editor. And then on Sunday, God was like, calm down. Relax. Yeah, yeah. Relax. And it's one of those things, too. It's like over and over again in my life, you hear the call of God. And the great thing about it is you could always tell him no. Yeah, you can. There's a very strong component of free will, which is like how.

how i even got here i told them no yeah i got i got prophesied on at one point 10 15 years ago i had like one foot out of the church because of whatever was going on there and somebody prophesied over me they said you're going to be talking to a million people one day and i was like shut up i'm not i you have no clue i'm gone and i said no no no no no but it doesn't really matter because there's a way of like drawing you back in but yeah again i've gotten to the point in my life where i'm like i'm not i'm dumb but i'm not dumb enough to continue to say no i was like all right that was very clear i heard you fine you know what i mean yeah i would like bro i don't want to i still want to make that video but like okay i hear you fine fine but i gotta let that go so like that's where we're at with this whole thing i'll tell you something that you guys should

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When we're obedient to the Lord, or when we follow the Lord's commands, then what it allows is for all obedience to be filled, and then for punishment to go against those who come against us. So the test for you is, and bro, when I tell you, I've been through these tests. Mine has been very public. People who watch me are like, damn, I can't believe you just sat through that. What ends up happening is the Lord is more concerned about you and your heart than your podcast, than your emotions, than your feelings. And if you can maintain the right heart posture, he'll come in, and that tester will come, and he'll say, okay, let me look at his heart. And so he looks at your heart, and he says, okay, there's some bitterness, and he's going to pull that bitterness out. There's an arrow of betrayal. There's this. He's going to pull all these arrows out. He says, okay, now you keep your heart in the right condition, and you're fine. Then he's going to go over to the other person. He's going to say, huh, now you, you over here tripping hard. So let me give you this circumstance, this circumstance, this circumstance, this circumstance, this circumstance, so I can purge your heart of everything that's there. So when we're obedient to him, he punishes the individual that does what they need to do. The longer you're in bitterness, the longer you're not forgiving, the only thing you do is delay their punishment. That's why when people offend me, I'd be like, hey, I forgive you, bro. Don't worry about it. It's cool. They'd be like, what? I forgive you. Because I know you're about to get your behind whoop. I know. Because I've been through the same thing. Yeah. And so you just let it go. And the way that what will happen is you'll get these thoughts that come in. And you'll be like, I can't believe that, you know, he playing with me like this. He said this. He said that. da da da da and that's the spirit of offense coming in and once that spirit gets in then you get tangled up it's real simply lord you know what help him and change me lord i just need you to help that individual and change me and it happens to me all the time you know on youtube i have opportunities to get offended help him change me and i maintain that posture because what happens is i'm gonna change because i can't change that individual and the lord's gonna help him that help don't always look like what everybody think it looks like many times that help seems like a challenge that comes against that person to where they got to change. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, so you guys are going to go high, high, high on the mountain of influence. So we talked about Disclosure Day. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry, we just went full prophetic angle on you guys. Stop messing up, camera. We went full prophetic angle on you guys, but I want to talk to you guys. So you guys went to go see Disclosure Day. I refuse to give this jackbutt any of my money. What are your thoughts on the movie? Well, first off, I didn't see Disclosure Day,

and he allegedly illegally pirated

my cousin okay you didn't give me his money no no i'm not gonna pay him for that like we were actually planning to go see it in theaters yeah just to like review it and then uh it's i guess

it just happened where we were like so what yeah i so what ended up happening was leading up to it got a bunch of bad reviews people said it was slop and it was a little boring and so i said all right you know we'll wait for it to come out but this um disclosure thing is something that i feel as though is it's part of what god is is preparing us for on this show especially because it's one of the longest things that we've talked about and and to kind of frame that for the audience um i don't believe that aliens are uh you know space brothers from a galaxy far far away and a highly advanced uh technological civilization i think that these are a rebranding of spiritual entities

and a rebranding of the same concept that creates a Nephilim. So for the audience, I'm sure they're very familiar with it, but the idea of the Nephilim being the sons of God coming into the daughters of man and producing offspring, they're effectively hybrids. And I think that at the heart of the alien phenomenon is that hybridization program. And I'm not saying that that is definitively true. It's just where my research leads me. The reason that I say it may not be definitively true is because we recently had Matt Gaetz and a bunch of other people come out and talk about, you know, the hybridization program taking place deep underground between aliens and humans. So whenever some big talking head comes along and says it, I'm now forced to check my ideas and kind of.

Actually, at the inception of our podcast, Nephilim Death Squad, I think maybe two months after we had the Nephilim in Miami event happened. So it was like great timing for the branding. And then right after that, Tucker Carlson comes out with like Roseanne Barr and they're talking about the Nephilim. And me and David are like, hold on a second, wait a second, pump the brakes. Why are you talking about it right now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it really makes us suspicious. Like, are we over the target or maybe we're supposed to be headed this way as a people? and people are doing soft disclosure in different directions so yeah that's what disclosure day is it's uh admission of the truth but the direction that they want to point you in is incorrect yes yeah yeah and that's what i'm paying attention to and it was it was really fun to watch it like if i would watch it with david it's more like it would have been us dissecting it but i was watching it with my normie cousins so i'm able to see and like gauge their response to certain things and then ask them leading questions and see what they're yeah where they're at with it but uh it was i'd say it was solid on the alien phenomenon it was well researched they actually recreated a lot of the uh alien tapes that you know have claimed to been hoax okay things like that so they they did a really fun job with that and i was like okay they're nailing the disclosure nuts and bolt aspect of it and and even the nhI aspect like they're they're right on it and it'll probably look a lot like if we get disclosure it'll look a lot like this movie it's in the backdrop of a movie um america is in defcon 2 so we're going through some sort of war and we're at risk which is what the government would do when something like this is going to happen they're going to create a maybe a distract like a a war with iran or something like that world war three so we're

right there something for us to be saved from right oftentimes that's the the narrative it seems like they're going to go with is this idea that we may be on the precipice of nuclear war which if you're into the alien phenomenon and you're observing all the uaps and ufos and you know their comings and goings over the last few decades they have uh an interest in nuclear facilities or you know weapons of war shutting them down i believe there's famous instances of a craft um you know being unable to be intercepted and then shooting a laser and

disarming so it's clear away go ahead right from the jump 1947 the year 1947 that's in the film oh in the in the very beginning and then uh in the middle at the end it continues to pop up so i'm like okay it's well researched at the very least and uh spielberg did his homework so good

for him i think good spielberg good for spiel but i do think they're gonna prop themselves up as a savior figure right um and in fact something that is antichrist something that's in place of christ I think they're going to stay very adjacent to the biblical narrative, but they're going to deviate on really important aspects that are going to lead you to false conclusions about the nature of these things, which is really my concern. I mean, right now, as we look at it on the show, and everybody can see this in regards to disclosure, it's about reverse-engineered technology. It's about zero-point energy, and I don't care about any of that. I care about the nature of the entities. That is my main concern. I believe everything can be chopped up into two groups. It's either in the grace of God and moving for God's will in the kingdom of God, or it's demonic. And I use demonic as a blanket term. I mean against God, against the will of God, against humanity, deceptive in nature.

And that's the deception of this film, that we're being presented two sides, which is a government that does not want to disclose demonic, and then the disclosure side that wants to present us aliens but in a certain light yeah demonic

demonic yeah yeah demonic and demonic you're giving false choices absolutely yes yes or yes

right to the to the audience and the audience goes oh well i guess you know they have nowhere to put this at all and when it's presented to them in real life eventually they're going to think back to disclosure day and that's what it's programming in a sense this is the this is the the entertainment

arm of it, right? There was the more logistical arm, which was Age of Disclosure that came out, a Lou Elizondo documentary that was kind of in the background. The scaffolding for it was the here

Roe's journey. It was Lou Elizondo who has been struggling behind the scenes to finally gain credibility. And now he's here and he's going to, you know, do what he has to do for the American public. One of the things that they do really early in that documentary is they plant this seed of doubt because they say flippantly and then they move on with no real context. But it's, you know, read in between the lines. The viewer can fill in the blanks. They say there is an old guard within the Pentagon who wants to frame these things as devils and demons and they're standing in the way of progress, which is insane to say that in the Pentagon, who else calls their negative spiritual entities devils and demons besides Christians?

Christians, yeah.

So you're alluding to the idea that in the Pentagon, there's a body of Christians who are doing what? Standing in the way of progress? Which is very slippery because if you start to paint that narrative, what happens is people like us come up and sound the alarm as we get closer to disclosure and what are we doing we're standing in the way of progress progress for what well it highly advanced technologies and systems that'll create a veritable uh utopia on on earth and much like arthur c clark's uh childhood's end childhood's end if you ever watch that i didn't read it but there is a a amazon prime adaptation and the long and short of it is a alien species reveals itself craft first yeah basically basically they're demons in the end but until they reveal themselves their visage uh they introduce systems of politics and and you know uh uh technologies that do create a utopia on earth for however many years people are so grateful for that fact that when they eventually reveal themselves to be giant, greasy demons, nobody really is too upset about it. So I wouldn't be surprised if we get something similar to that. If we stand in the way of that.

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If they're introducing technologies that are, you know, reforming transportation, reforming the oil oligarch's grip on the energy sector of the world, And we're changing that rapidly and everybody is experiencing what is effectively a miracle, right, for humanity. And Christians are going, no, these are demons. That's not going to be a great place to be. I mean, it is ultimately.

It makes a lot of sense when you read about like losing your heads and persecution in the book of Revelation. You're like, yeah, I could see how that –

I could see how you might want to cut my head off because I'm talking crap about your hoverboard or whatever it is.

Yeah, yeah. But in the movie, an interesting part there – well, even before that, a lot of the interviews that Spielberg was doing, he was saying that this will shake the foundation. The movie is going to shake the foundation of people who are Christians, not believers in God, not believers in Judaism or Islam. Not Buddhists or anything like that, yeah. In Christianity specifically. So I'm like, okay, I understand where you're pointing your gun. That's fair. Yeah. So coming into this, I'm very skeptical of what you're going to be pointing at. And there's a point in the movie – I forget the woman's name. She's the girlfriend to one of the protagonists. He's the male protagonist. Spoilers. Spoiler alert. I don't care. Whatever. I pirated this. She's been watching that crap anyway. Yeah, it's slop anyway. She's the girlfriend to the protagonist named Daniel, and she's an ex-nun, which is very convenient. so she has a background in christianity catholic christianity which is also uh it's interesting because catholic catholicism is the only denomination that to my knowledge is sort of

friendly to this oh yeah the vatican in particular the pope saying he's going to baptize our space

brothers and such yeah right i mean because he's a ranked devil uh-huh yeah the vaticans uh

apparently uh we had leo what was his name zagami oh leo zagami i believe yeah yeah fantastic uh character very spooky but he's saying the vatican is also recovered craft too because they're they're

sort of they're like a

pseudo uh governmental entity as well yeah they're their own thing they also have their own science and astrology wing and all kinds of stuff so yeah the vatican is they have a big telescope named

lucifer but whatever that's neither here nor there no big deal um during the film she's struggling with god and at one point she says something like uh i believe in god but i don't believe in his divinity so it's like uh i believe in water but it's not wet right it's like interesting yeah it doesn't make any sense uh to me at least and the viewer is kind of like a lukewarm take but it's just a i think it's a splash doubt on on this character and on on god you know what it

could be his power i'm just gonna inject it really quickly if we were created zachariah sitch and anunnaki style by a race of you know ets they genetically altered us they could be our creators god um but they're not necessarily divine because they're just another alien species right right and since this whole thing is alien you know uh oriented maybe maybe that's kind of

the thing that they're doing it's meant to yeah that's like a small stripping away of uh the sovereignty of god you know the first first commandment no gods before me and she says this uh she she's arguing with daniel and uh the quote that i wrote down while he's he's hell-bent on giving disclosure he has uh usbs full of uh all the governmental tapes of craft and aliens and things like that and he wants to show this somehow he doesn't know how and she goes you may not want to tell people about the existence of aliens because it would disrupt a social order built on belief in a supreme being by showing them actual supreme beings so do you see where we're

going with this yeah i see where we're going let me say this guys so what i saw the movie being and everything going on is there's two different priesthood you know in revelations 5 1 or 6 1 And it says, for we have been made kings and priests unto God by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. So there's the kingship and priesthood of those who are in Christ. And then there's these other kingships and priesthoods that are rising around us. And so that kingship and priesthood, meaning the influence of Nephilim and UFOs, and then the worship of Nephilim and UFOs, it needs reinforcement. And so what I saw it as was, okay, this narrative of UFOs and aliens is constantly getting reinforcement in the news weekly. So you'll have J.D. Vance come out and say, well, you know, there are things out of the Book of Enoch. And then you have Paulina Luna, what are pretty behind, come out and say, well, yeah, you know, we think that these are interdimensional demons. And so what we're seeing is the bolstering of that priesthood to where that what I would call false doctrine or doctrine of devils It's getting the support that it needs to get to sustain itself because we had this and we still have this great revival happening. If you check, really check the news, you see thousands of people getting baptized. California people getting baptized on the beaches. I hung out with some people this weekend. They just had a camp, a summer camp for kids where they was like, James, we had 5,000 kids go to California for a Christian summer camp. Normally we get 1,000. We had 5,000. so you have these priesthoods that are battling each other out but it's not really it's a it's a public battle if you know where to look but the average person doesn't know where to look and so we see these people who are high priests of this religion of fallen angels like you i'll take like the very first person that came to my attention that stood in the spot was as a christian that spoke about it but maintained his loyalty to jesus christ was steve quayle and then we saw steve quail come out steve who's still there professing jesus he blew up and then you had all these other people that spawned off of him like timothy albarino timothy went on to just be a high priest of nephilim i'm sorry guys if you like tim cool but the dude's a high priest of nephilim you can go back and you will find very little where he talks about jesus he exalts those entities and creatures and so we had these various different so you have that priesthood and you have these other priests that spawn from each other so you got the lineage that came from steve quail which of people who will talk about it but they'll talk about christ yes you got like a timothy and then the people that talk about it and they're obsessed with the entities themselves yeah so we're dealing with this battle of priesthood that's playing out in the public's eye and if you tell people hey you know why are you learning about ufos and aliens and nephilim and you don't know anything about jesus they'll be like well james you know you need to read the book enoch i said no i don't the book enoch was in my mama bible what i need to know is the power and authority i have through christ jesus so when a nephilim a alien a demon a lizard person which is real pops up at my house

i'm just gonna sit there and look and be like what the hell made you come over here because god must not like you he sent you over me to kick your butt yeah but people don't understand that they focus on the entities so that's the worship you know what i'm saying so these guys are bringing

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This is hugely important. And you know what? We've apologized to Daddy. That's right. And we have apologized. Call no man Daddy. That's right. Unless it's Timothy Alvarino. Unless it's Timothy Alvarino. We did apologize to him because we went insane on him. But also it seems like it was at a bad time, too, because he was trying to do a little press run.

To call back to the beginning of what you were talking about, we do a lot of comedy, heavy on comedy. He wanted to debate us, and that doesn't mix. I understand debate versus—

Yeah, that's going to end bad.

It's going to end bad for him.

It was real rough for him.

Right, because we're doing a thing where we're playing peekaboo, and it's a bit unfair, like the tactics, but it got to a point where I was like, I don't like this guy. I interviewed him.

And then I start wanting to like, you know what I mean? Or debated him while I was dressed like Indiana Jones and I had a whip.

If we could share a screen, I'll show you in a second. What is this one? Let me go back to just real quick, just the disclosure. Sure, sure, sure. One egregious moment in there. She talks about the supreme beings, because that's like an idea. basically god or lowercase g god is what they're talking about when they say supreme beings sure so uh they're gonna do the anunnaki thing this is probably so boring yeah uh do it again though i guess so the the ex-nun calls her uh a nun that still is in the you know whatever in the church okay and she's asking her questions about this stuff and she goes well could it be that god created more than us because genesis said that god created us and gave us you know and the nun goes uh she says genesis well the woman says genesis says we are his supreme creation and then the sister goes genesis says that we're his supreme creation on earth and then i start thinking so i look through the bible and it's genesis 126 127 it's where they're saying god created man and then he gave dominion over the animals and the earth and all this stuff he didn't it didn't say supreme creation it didn't say on earth so it's a miss it's a mistranslation it's a misquotation on purpose on on on a very well-researched movie yeah this is like the telepathy tapes thing where they're like oh there's a ton of telepathy in this as well they can't stop themselves with

telepathy mk ultra techniques uh that's another thing james some of some of our most i would say our most important work was on the telepathy tapes mk ultra and and how it ties into the spiritual realm and if we have time maybe we could touch on that a little bit but um um this albarino thing so so the way that that ended up unfolding was uh i kept noticing him and a couple other guys in his circle say if you think uh aliens are demons you're an idiot and while that is reductive in some sense it's really not i mean it arms the individual with how to operate when it comes to these things right these things are adversarial and and

deceptive but what it also does like james told us at the top of the show he's like i want you guys to plug nephilim desquat say it at least 15 times but don't make it egregious and i said all i want to do is say nephilim desquat podcast over and over and apple music so uh i get it we get to a point with tim where tim's saying this stuff and we we've had him on the show before and we actually butted heads with them on the show that was adversarial yeah and it was like because we're dumb we had no business doing that that early on in the show but we're like hell hold on a second It was like episode seven. Yeah, I'm like, wait, what did you just say? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're calling him out there, and he goes, hey, if you think that Nephilim are demons, I think he said—

No, he said, if you think aliens—well, actually, the thing he said was—basically nailed all of our branding, but more or less, it was, if you think aliens are demons, you're an idiot, and— No, you're retarded. That's what he said, yeah. And he said it so many times that I was like, you must be talking about me. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's talking to you on your podcast. That's exactly—yeah.

So, well, here, look, I mean, right above our little Nephilim skull says retard Dio. It's a little joke. Retard means return and Dio means to God. So, like, return to God. Like, be retarded enough so, like, that, like, you're not thinking. Yeah, we don't lean on our own intellect.

We don't lean on our own understanding of things.

Let the Holy Spirit work through you. Return to God. And it's a joke that we say to our fans, and I think they like it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what ends up happening is eventually this thing reaches such a critical mass, he keeps saying it. and I'm going

Hey, the phenomenon have so much overlap, demonic encounters, alien encounters. Once you start to recognize patterns, they're strikingly similar in testimony. When people are saying, this is what happened to me, you go, well, that's very similar to when people say, this is what it was like when I got abducted. And you keep scratching at that, and it yields an unbelievable amount of overlapping patterns. So I have a problem with saying if you believe they're demons, you're an idiot because research will show you – well, actually, they're very similar. So we cannot throw this out. In fact, the idea that they ever flee in the name of Jesus Christ, that aliens ever do that, and they do at a huge percentage of testimony, that needs to stay the center of focus. Yeah, Joseph Jordan, MUFON investigator, he does a great job of that. So my response to that, even though he's not talking directly to us, is to dress like Indiana Jones and get a whip. And I cut this video where I'm like whipping my mirror and the caption says, if you believe that aliens are demons, you're retarded. And did you tag him? No, I didn't tag him. OK. And then what happens is he eventually shows up in the comment section and he goes, maybe we could have a discussion like adults about this. And I go, why would you think this is about you? I was going to think about you.

That's when the nail hits the nail on the head.

So what ends up happening is he challenges us to a debate. I've never done a debate, and I don't even really know where we deviate, you know, because I don't absorb his content. So I'm now forced to do a series on my show, and I do it dressed as Indiana Jones the whole time, and we're watching all these documentaries. and I start seeing something very strange where it's like this guy, this is in a documentary series. I forget what it is, but the second one is about the Vatican and how the Vatican is going to create this gigantic disclosure deception and that it is demonic in its nature and it may even bring about the Antichrist. And this is what Timothy Albarino is saying. And I'm looking at this guy and I'm going, yeah, yeah, that's fascinating. I agree with that. This is 10 years ago, this documentary, right? so during the same moment age of disclosure comes out and i see timothy albarino has done a review of age of disclosure so now i'm going to watch that on my show hey everybody lady luck here

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And we get to that part that I talked to you about, James, where he, the Elizondo or whoever it is is saying, more or less I'm paraphrasing, Christians are standing in the way of progress. Alvarino gets to that part and he echoes those sentiments. He goes, yes, there are Christians that are standing in the way of progress. Trust the science. They're calling them demons. Their heart is in the right place, but ultimately they're incorrect. And I'm going, how is this not a deception? How is this not demonic? When 10 years ago, you're standing on a megalithic structure saying the Vatican is going to create a disclosure that the Antichrist is likely going to come from. I couldn't square those things.

So, James, if I could share my screen, I could show you the first like 15 seconds of or whatever it is of this debate where it kind of gets to that the heart of exactly what you said. And again, I feel bad about like bringing it up.

It's whatever, because this still stands in my opinion. This is still my gripe.

We have to say I don't care about I don't care about people feelings. I'm a priest of Jesus Christ and he's gave me kingship. I don't care how people feel. Go ahead and show it.

Well, don't don't make fun of my hat. Keep in mind, I'm dressed like Albarino.

know i mean uh but he should have known by listening to you guys talk that he was not going to be able to debate and talk out talk like i know from listening to you guys in the first five minutes that the anointing on your tongue is one that'll clown the hell out of somebody i would have been like okay i'm gonna be careful with these two dudes because they'll cut me up this

i would have to turn on let me tell you i prayed about this because i don't want to cut down somebody who's in the body of christ but i needed to there was something that i saw and i and i Thank you.

Aim upon it. God showed me this thing, and it was a real problem. And so I didn't care about the entire debate. He wanted to talk about whether or not angels had wings and all this. I don't care about any of that. What I care about is you spreading a seed of doubt about Christians standing in the way of disclosure. That's all I cared about, and I prayed in almost desperation.

Stop, stop. Before you start this, is it the lighting that's making him look pale and green and demon-possessed? or is look at you is it because i'm not look at my studio my studio sucks so let's be clear you you guys know lighting is the lighting that's making him look pale i don't know so what i think

is going on and demon possessed his demeanor his demeanor was like this the entire time and i think it was early he's got a bad set i think he's got a camera up here and he's looking at a laptop down here and he's got bad lighting and it was early he was tired he was also pissed off because i had clowning him yeah all over twitter he came in not happy to this debate he was not pleased i gotta see this come on come on let's go let's go let's go so the only thing that you've done is make a gigantic film that hundreds of thousands no sound no sound here let's let's fix that up share you

got to click the share sound click share again and then click the right hand oh so the little

thing down there um also share system audio perfect got it okay let's go let's go let's go Let's go all right. Let's see if this works Maybe millions of people will see and the only mention that you saw fit to inject them some of something Christ Adjacent was a dismissal of the notion saying that anybody who did express that notion

I'll tell you what I'm the way of progress. Wait. Can you hear it? Oh, you can't hear it?

I can't even see it or hear it. It's not shared on us. Oh, that's what is happening. Oh, I'm sorry We thought we were we were all I thought you and everything okay We'll try one more time and then share here we go. There it is. Okay. Pull it back get it okay so the only thing that you've done is make a gigantic film that hundreds of thousands maybe millions of people will see and the only mention that you saw fit to inject of something christ adjacent was a dismissal of the notion saying that anybody who did express that notion stood in the way of progress something that i've actually heard you say on your review of age of disclosure you echo those exact same sentiments you said that those people who said demonic and demons were misguided. These individuals are misguided, which is the exact same thing that was said on that documentary. They just said those people stood in the way of progress. They're actually working against the interest of disclosing the truth. So what you've done now is to the average person who's not well-researched, who doesn't have the analytical mind, who doesn't even have the time, you've subliminally planted a little seed in their head. And that is religious people have stood in the way of progress because of things like labeling this demonic or of the devil, which means that anytime they hear that in the future, they're going to scoff and recoil at that. What this leads to, according to the new age and a multitude of other things, including the Bible, is a falling away and a consolidation of the religions, one world religion under this new umbrella. You have to actually get Christianity out of the way. It's not unremarkable or insignificant that in this gigantic documentary the only thing they saw fit to do was dismiss it in the most flippant ways they're not christians a lot of these guys are christians they're they're not approaching this phenomenon without they're not approaching this without being rooted in jesus christ as you just said rooted in the gospel rooted in the gospel was what you said right this is the biggest mouthpiece on this phenomenon are not rooted in the bible he kind of got in his ass there that was a little crazy he didn't like that oh wait

we're muted okay okay can you hear us now wait yeah i can hear you guys so so so so that whole time see i thought you were clipping him in at first so that whole time he's sitting there like

this uh so there no no he it's just like this is right now where we're having a conversation there was moments where we clipped him in only to show that was from saying it like saying the things i was accusing him of from his age of disclosure uh review okay so when he's saying you said this i just clipped in here you saying it yeah yeah so nobody thinks i'm making up anything but then he does start to try to rebut see he does a thing and and god bless him i hope he figures it out i i hope he's not so close to the phenomenon and has good intentions but got deviated i i agree with a lot of your assessment james um but he does this thing where he will speak in convoluted platitudes he'll use like every i just use some five dollar words there but he will use every $5 word at his disposal to make something that should be easy to understand incredibly confusing, and then what happens is the average person will just lean on this person's greater understanding, right? Because you've used so many words, and you must have it all figured out. But he's almost like a wizard in this way where he takes a thing and he makes it seem so complicated when in reality it is in some ways complicated. I'm sure there's a vast array

of entities but they're either demonic christ says you are either with me or against me right there is no you're you're you're hot or you're cold even lukewarm is is spat from his mouth right we had somebody on our show recently dr heather lynn who said she was a fence sitter for a long time and then she said satan owns the fence right so there is no in between here um you're either with god or you're against god you're with jesus christ or you're against jesus christ and um so So so making any effort to make this more convoluted than it actually has to be, I think, is also. But he will do that. He'll get in your way and he'll cut you off and he'll speak. He'll what's the the expression of filibuster for. He didn't like when I said that. An hour, an hour. We said, what is a demon? We wanted to start off with laying the groundwork. What is a demon? Forty five minutes. It took him to say what a demon is. And so, you know, it was one of those things where you're watching that clip. i was done already letting this guy go off for as long as he had and muddy these waters like we needed something very clean and very clear to cut through the confusion for the audience and i needed to pin him against the wall and have him answer for something which of course he really didn't uh it was another let me ask you a question i'm gonna cut you off what happened when you mentioned the

name jesus did you read the reactions on his face as you mentioned the name jesus during the conversation because what i'm gonna tell you guys what i saw just just and i'm not gonna beat around the bush i saw a man that's extremely demonized or even possibly possessed every time i've dealt with someone who's been possessed and they've had that greenish like lightish it's like just you can have white skin but then it's green and pale and nasty and then you look in their eyes and there's no light within their eyes you ever seen billy carson like if you've seen billy carson look at Billy Carson's eyes. Billy Carson is demon possessed. You can see it because it's almost like the eyes of the guys who I grew up who were murderers, but they haven't really murdered anybody because you know that's not what the cloth they're cut from, but it's still that same dead look in their eyes. It's the same thing I just saw in Timothy Albarino. It's the same thing I've seen in him from the beginning because I was around on YouTube when Timothy Albarino blew up with Steve Quayle. And it was this time period where he was with Steve and it was all good, and then there was this split and then it was like pew and he took off and I was like this is weird and I look up for Steve and where's Steve at Steve is sick and Steve is losing his influence and this guy is skyrocketing and I said oh these are two different altars, two different spirits that we're seeing playing out and so now he's erected this altar to the Nephilim which are the fallen angels which are basically the little G gods and now you're getting promoted but you pay the price for it and you can look at him and tell that he's paying the price for it I'm sorry I'm too old to be playing games That boy got demons on him or he demonized him.

We did a show. He accused us of that, I think. Oh, yeah, yeah. He accused us of behaving demonically or something like that. But we told him that we would milk him for all of his cat milk. Yeah, yeah. We said he's a cat man. We crossed the line. We crossed the line. We did insane things to him on Twitter. And it was really bad because our read was this guy is trying to position himself currently so that he can be on. Rogan's disclosure is coming soon. He wants to be an associated talking head. He's smoking cigars with Lou Elizondo and everything. So I did recognize this was bad press for him at the time. It was going very viral, what we were doing to him. But we did an interview recently with a guy. What was his name again? I'm sorry. Leo Zagami. Leo Zagami. I really hate bringing this because it's like, ugh.

I know. I know.

It is.

But the thing is, this won't go away. It won't go away because. I think we nailed it. That's why it won't go away. We saw something. And Timothy, the person, I've apologized to him, and I said, listen, I'm done. But the narrative, it's still living. Yeah, yeah, disclosure's still going. I just watched Disclosure Day, and it's what you're saying. Yeah. It's what you're pushing at. So there's still a big problem. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know how to square that circle.

It's hard, yeah. I don't think you need to square it. I think it's two different kingdoms. That's the problem that we make as Christians. You see, we don't understand that there's two completely different kingdoms, and there's one mountain of influence. And so God puts his sons, the sons of God, on the mountain of influence. The Bible says as many as have been led by the spirit of God have been given the power to become sons of God. So you have a power to be a son of God, to represent the kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ on the mountain of influence. And then there's other people who have a different spirit that elevate them to the mountain. And then what Christians, what we do is when we have a contentious conversation with someone from a different kingdom, then we feel bad. I'm sorry, I don't feel bad. I like that. Here's the thing. The Great Commission is to bring people to Christ. So if you're not pointing people to Jesus Christ, then you're pointing them somewhere else, and more importantly, you're sending them to hell. And if I have an opportunity to talk about it, then I'm going to talk about it, and I don't care how you feel about it. You know, we can box it out, stab it out, shoot it out, whatever we got to do, but I don't care how you feel about it because it's my job.

to point people towards jesus you point them towards somebody else yeah so essentially i'm just going to let you just run around and take all my brothers and sisters in christ to hell because it's christians who have this they want to know about these things they want to know about the invisible things from uh colossians i think it's 5 15 through 16 where it talks about the things that were made that were visible and invisible but they want to know about those things because it's a supernatural aspect of our religion and our faith but there's nobody there to explain it to them so they go to a ranked devil yeah they get laid in the wrong direction

so i don't worry about that's exactly that's exactly it go ahead a fair assessment that i've been doing though like because i agree what you're saying is like i i am i'm binary and i think that is biblical it's like uh you know god separated life from darkness the ones and zeros very clear yes or no i'm just a guy though and i know that i miss sometimes and i do that all the time i'm like i'm like all right we're going to separate and there's going to be clear definitive answers because working in the gray is very strange for me. Like, I don't, this doesn't work with me. So after I have separated and I go, okay, you're on this side, you're on that side. Afterward, I will go back and I'll look at it again and be like, did I mess up here? Like, let me just make sure because I'm just a guy still. I'm trying my best. But did I miss? Yeah. Did I push somebody into a corner that didn't have to go into that corner? You know what I mean? Well, this is the thing. It keeps coming up, right?

So we had this conversation with Leo, Leo Zagami. Yeah, it's like I didn't miss. I know. He did a documentary with him, and it was the documentary we were watching. I didn't even recognize Leo Zagami. He reached out to us to come on the show, said, fantastic. I'm looking at him, and I'm going like, this guy is very familiar. And I realized in the documentary when I watched it, remember I told you we were watching Timothy Albarino documentaries. I made fun of this guy because he looks like Dracula or something like that. He's just a really crazy-looking character, really fascinating guy. And he starts to talk about the Albarino thing. By this time, I put two and two together. I realize who he is. and he says you know so take this up with leo zagami it's public information it's on our show but he says that uh there was this time number one they had a falling out when leo came to him and said aliens are demons that drove a wedge between them now he doesn't hear from him anymore but he says that uh he said it like this was just known information uh that when they were going after the vatican and they were making these documentaries um i believe he said his car was tampered with so the the brake lines in his car timothy abarino's car uh i believe he also said that his wife got sick like like in other words alluding to this idea that he ruffled the wrong feathers which 10 years ago before this was sort of um a free-for-all in regards to content creation and talking about the matter and i and i really do tip my hat to all the people who were in this for for years before we were because it's very dangerous for a long time now we could pretty much get up and say whatever we want in great deal thanks to the people who came and said it while it was still dangerous it seems that that was the case for timothy albarino and he goes away for a number of years like two and a half years and then he comes back and then all of a sudden he's on the biggest platforms in the world and so i don't know what happened there leo will say and this is you know his words i'm paraphrasing that he also had terrible things happen to him and he suffered the consequences, but he stood on business and let these things happen and kept saying what he was saying and eventually had to flee Rome and all these crazy things happened to him. He said more or less that Tim folded under the pressure. I don't know if that's the case. And I don't envy anybody who's had to be in those types of circumstances. I like to think that if anybody came and tried to pressure me, that I would continue doing exactly what God wants me to do but i also see you know any number of ways that they can try to get you to fold and you start

messing with the man's family maybe that's what happened how many times did peter deny christ and christ is in front of him so it's like that's another one of those things where i'm looking at

and i'm going that's heavy i try not to think about i just try to keep moving and keep moving and yeah and when it shows up when when that kind of thing shows up at my doorstep i i usually just ridicule it and you know thank god for comedy too thank god that he's made us funny because that

helps a lot the problem with what we're doing is that we're consistently over a target and we don't know what it is and and you brought up uh what's his name the telepathy tapes no billy carson oh billy carson we have a story with billy carson too um accidental story but it's like i think that's again like holy spirit and just being over the target in general yeah we're on luke rudkowski show we're in in luke's house at the time when he was still doing for rumble or whatever and uh we do the show great show at the end of it luke goes by the way the whole show is about aliens or

rebranding of the nephilim and the fallen angels that's the whole show this was two years ago

yeah and at the end he goes we do a cool thing where you can ask a question for the next guest coming and we're like can we ask who it is

And he's like, yeah, it's Billy Carson. But, like, at the time, like, I don't even know who he was. Yeah. So we go, ask him why aliens flee. Aliens and demons flee in the name of Jesus. And he goes, okay. And he, like, writes it down. He doesn't know. You know, Luke is a political head.

That's a fun question to ask anybody, though. Like, I didn't know who Billy Carson was. I just want to give whoever's coming next, like, one of my more interesting topics was, like, why does that happen?

You know, it just happens to be the guy. The guy.

The guy. The Emerald Tablet, you know. Yeah, man. he got emerald tablets hanging out his butt yeah he does yeah he does so he he did some sort of word salad you know ninjutsu to get out of it or whatever and and kept it moving but yeah we ended up touching that guy with something i mean that probably disrupted the flow of his entire show i would imagine you know like oh these guys called nephilim death squad were here before they want you to answer why aliens flee at the name of jesus christ and he's like oh shit i'll tell you

something guys that maybe you should be aware of you know on the mountain of influence there's people who like they pay the price and they go through the persecution because jesus said we would be persecuted for his name sake yeah and then there's there's people who are on the height of the mountains of influence when you get to those peak top heights of the mountain like alex jones is one of those i remember billy carson went on alex jones's show about maybe a year ago or two years ago i remember watching him sitting there talking and he's talking nephilim and he's talking and he's talking emerald tablets and i'm like god why is this dude on the show and he said because he about to get judged i said oh my god he said because alex jones is a christian altar a hundred million people listening every day and you know like the month after he left that show he had went to the hospital got sick almost died and all the rest of this stuff and so people don't understand this about the mountain of influence just so you guys know there'll be people who come to you for you to hold a conversation with and then to the lord will let them bring him there for you to contend with them and then he he uses that juxtaposition as judgment so one person gonna go up the other person's gonna go down yeah so when you see that and you experience it man don't trip on it it's just a lot of people coming to to to to bold righteous men to hear what has to be said because nobody else can tell it to them so nobody else could tell timothy alvarino this because they're not bold enough to tell him because he's timothy alvarino nobody had james

nobody had done that nobody had done that especially not the way that we did it it was

we also have a very bad name in this crowd now of i suppose you call it christian influencers oh yeah pod pastor whatever a lot of them don't like us the message goes out and the message is clear they put out a little bat signal on us and but it doesn't really matter because we're doing our thing and you're gonna have to deal with us eventually down the line yeah at some in some

form or fashion i don't like to i don't like to be um so so oftentimes our audience knows so much about our thinking process and and you know the way we frame things within the bible that we'll have people come on and and i'm not going to challenge you on every little thing you say you know and especially if i feel like your walk is your own you're figuring it out um and if i recognize like if i'm going to challenge you on this little thing it's going to derail the whole conversation but we had a guy come on and he was practically begging to get on and um and he was getting you know recommended by personal friends of the show and he's a buddhist and i'm going i don't have any desire to talk to a buddhist but um our friends kept saying to have him so we go okay fine and that was one of those two where i always pray that the holy spirit joins us on the show and that whatever we say because i don't really plan anything i don't plan anything i i research whatever i feel an unction to research um but i'm not really doing anything sometimes we'll go on a show and we go like what are we going to present and i go i don't want to present anything i whatever i move to talk about is what i'm going to move i don't i'm not going to do that but um i prayed heavily on that because i don't want to mislead anybody and have them start moving towards buddhism and misrepresent that's like that's a tricky one yeah yeah so so i'm i'm praying that particular day you know guide my words reveal these things to me and and and put on my heart whatever it is i'm supposed to say in these moments that guy you know he he was fine he was a nice guy but and he's trying to basically say buddhism is the same thing as christianity and i let him do his thing and then all of a sudden i started hitting him because i'm like well what about salvation what does it say about repentance what does buddhism have to do with sin Like all of these different things started coming out of me and you could feel it wasn't it wasn't like it didn't tank the episode, but everybody was like, oh, no, we've stepped into a place now where even some of the friends of the show were there helping kind of help this guy along for whatever reason. I don't know. You know, that's that's between them. But afterwards, they were like, that was incredible. And it wasn't me. It wasn't me. It was just like God was putting on these. It's just simple questions. What about repentance? What about our...

sinful nature what about salvation like none of these things are addressed sacrifice of jesus christ none of these things are addressed buddhism interesting like oh well buddhism likes jesus too i'm like yeah yeah yeah so does islam so do all these other things what about these these unbelievably important uh tenets of christianity what are we to do about our sinful nature what are we to do about salvation like nothing there was nothing there was no answer to that whatsoever So I go, okay, so it's just like Christianity minus those incredibly important elements. And then I said, so why would anybody be Buddhist when they could just be Christian? And it was like you could hear a pin drop, and he had nothing to say. And I was like, I don't want to do that. But what I want more is to not mislead people, and I don't want to play around with the Word of God. That's what I want above all things is if I'm going to pray to be a servant, if I'm going to serve the kingdom of God, If God has a plan and I get to be a part of it and I get to do whatever God's will is, I don't want to play around with that. I don't want to mess around. We're very funny. We do the comedy thing. But, like, when it comes to issues of salvation, like, I'm not playing with that. You end up like Ananias and Sapphira. That's, like, some real stuff right there, man. I'm good on that.

You just fall over a boom and you're dead.

Yeah, yeah. No, thank you.

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from my experience and i've been like in a public sky way longer than i started with youtube i was on radio for a long time before i came on to youtube from my experience when it comes to those type of issues and dealing with the spiritual nature of things you only have one choice if you are part of the kingdom of our lord and savior jesus christ and that's to tell the truth and tell it boldly yep and then to hell with whatever comes next i like i did alex's show where the battle act showed up a couple of weeks ago i saw that there were helicopters flying around my house wow around my house for three days like i'm outside in the backyard doing my prayers and the helicopter flies i'm like okay they got a helicopter whatever and it circles again i'm like okay and it circles the third time i'm walk out and i walk out till i can see and i look up at the helicopter you can see the guy looking down at me and i said oh this is wow this is brand new so you okay i started praying i just stood there put my hands up and started praying i prayed for like five minutes then he circled one more time and he looked and he darted off the next morning they came at like five o'clock i went outside i prayed the next day they came i just stood there and i just looked and i was like okay lord can we get this helicopter to crash right now it was almost like as i was praying the god looked down and took off fast and i was like okay so this is it's the price that you pay yes on the mountain of influence but god is there to defend you and to take care of you and look out for you so it's just one of those things that we have to and ladies and gentlemen i've been saying this those you watching this this is we talk about the information war where it's talking about truth and you know what's going on in ukraine what's talking about what's going on in russia but then there's just other spiritual informational war that's going on at a level beneath that actually it's a level above that that talks about the things that create the issues in this earth that we're dealing with and that's where you should be interjecting yourself like if you got the ability to talk you should be talking about it it don't matter if you get five people to listen you should turn on your camera and start talking about it because that's the next phase of the information wars the spiritual information war and that's where we're in that's what we're fighting against right now to try and wake people up and make sure people don't burn in hell yeah that's what it's about guys that really is

about that that's huge you know you're talking you're saying talking about it right we've been given the ability to speak and uh one of the friends of the show ed mabry who really helped me understand the bible when actually we got his new book right oh that's right yeah he's uh he's an author and uh and he he does almost strictly biblical content and uh he's been a tremendous help for me in particular i know both of us but i wasn't always christian i was a conspiracy theorist for a long time didn't become a christian like i said maybe till like 32 33 Thank you.

And that was such a slow go. And and he helped me so much. But one of the things he says is you you speak a thing and it happens in the spiritual realm and then eventually it takes place on Earth. And this is what the New Age calls manifestation, which is real slippery. Right. Because these Gnostic ideas, occult ideas, New Age ideas, they're operating on a lot of truth, but they're fundamentally incorrect about the nature of things. So it's we say like nine truths to sell you one lie, one lie. And that's above, so below or as in heaven, so on earth. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. So but that idea of speaking is huge. It's actually kind of relevant to what we're talking about before with the telepathy tapes. Everybody in the new age and everybody who's, you know, into the telepathy tapes or whatever, they think that telepathy is this like unbelievable gift. And I actually think it is it is a step below, maybe significantly below speaking. Right. God uses the word to create all things. And through our research, it does seem that frequency and vibration are maybe there's more to understand about them than what science is currently allowing. um this idea that everything is made up of frequency and vibration and everything is mostly empty space and all this stuff it gets tossed around and it sounds really woo woo um and and of course a lot of these new age ideologies grab onto that and they'll use it for whatever narrative they want to propagate but i do think that it's rooted in scripture i mean to use the word and then for jesus to be the word made flesh like i think the word like

speaking is actually incredibly powerful well i mean a quick example that goes biblically and also on the new age side new ages will use uh i don't know let's say a rife machine or some some sort of frequency technology healing which it possibly could work if it's dialed in correctly but on the side of it uh biblically israel is using a shofar they're walking around the walls of jericho and blowing that for seven days and the shofar when you look at the when you look at the construction of this instrument it's i'm going to even call it an instrument it has so many turns in it that when you blow air through it the frequency coming in it's creating uh levels of uh dissonance and by the time it comes out it has this wacky sound it's you've heard it before right it's like it is crazy it's disruptive to the environment around it what you're doing is disrupting at a frequency level at an atomic level with vibration and sound and they did this seven times and they still do this and the walls of jericho crumble yeah the enemy's walls crumble so there's something to the fundamental structure of how we live and the atomic structure of things this table whatever it may be and frequency and the effect that it can have on it especially if you really believe that god created the earth by just speaking into exist that's frequency i actually

think one of the things that um makes that more fast vibration i'm sorry wait wait wait i gotta

cut y'all off right here go ahead let me cut y'all off and i'm gonna call bullshit on the frequency stuff okay this is why i'm gonna call bullshit on the frequency stuff part of my language ladies and gentlemen now we know that there are frequencies don't get me wrong and we know that spirits travel on sound so if you if you recall in the book of revelations it talks about the horns that blow and the seals that are being opened and you notice that all throughout the bible spirits traveled on sounds you're the mighty rushing wind the holy spirit coming in is a sound spirits travel on sound so it is what it is when we start talking about people who manifest things the bible says you shall decree a thing and it shall be established unto you so when you decree a thing as a christian that thing is established unto you so making a decree and declaration is I decree and declare the name of Jesus Christ that the Nephilim podcast shall be successful. You pray that every day, every day. You're downloading a realm of something from the spirit realm into this realm by decree and declaring it, right? The problem with the frequency stuff is that these guys have taken this narrative. Because when you start talking about frequency, then you're going to get into people saying, well, you know, the chosen ones can use different frequencies. Then you go from frequency to the chosen ones. And when you get into the chosen ones, now you're starting to get into people who have pride in themselves, like, I can do this. Yes, yes. The basic nature of dominion that God gave when the Bible said, let us make man in our image and let them have dominion. There's a natural state of dominion that you have in this earth. So the average individual who never accepted Jesus Christ, they're protected by that natural dominion from being made in God's image, right? then there's those who accept jesus christ and have been and been brought into the family of god so now they have authority so we got dominion we got authority and so when you're functioning in authority and dominion you are powerful to do anything so healing is commanded when you have the power i mean authority and the dominion going back to them walking around the uh what was that the walls of jericho yeah the walls of jericho before they walked around the walls of jericho you remember um he went out and he met an angel and he said yeah do you be for us or do you be for the enemy the angel said i need for neither one of y'all i'm for the lord and he talked too much and angel said you're gonna be quiet for seven days and you're gonna march everybody talks about the the shofar blowing but they don't understand that when they marched they marched with angels and that city was a cuboid you know if you got a cuboid no matter what you do to a cuboid when it falls it's going to fall and still be a cuboid so they marched for seven days they blew the shofar and the angels stomped the walls down to when the city fell down into the ground and see that's the problem and i'm not talking about you guys but that's the problem that happens when people don't really go deep into their bible study you neglect the the movements of angels like when we make a decree and declare declaration it's angels that go out and make those

things happen those are angels that are equipped the bible says the lord will give his angels charge over thee so that you don't dash your foot on a stone and so you'll find these people talking about frequencies they're talking about all these different things but they are absent all the rest the knowledge of the bible and so it becomes its own thing and then they become prideful in that thing like yeah james you don't know nothing about gen the the book of enoch like one of the things that's most interesting about the book enoch if you ever read it was it talks about cain and abel it talks about abel being in the holding place where they hold people before they go to heaven and it says that abel was petitioning the throne to the lord making suit against his brother cain in his bloodline day and night, which lets you know that...

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Abel was filing a court case against his brother in the courts of heaven day and night. He was filing suit against his brother day and night in the courts of heaven. But you won't see that unless you actually read this stuff with the Holy Spirit. So we got a lot of people who just like they're pulling things that just don't make no sense, man. It makes no sense at all. And it's absolutely crazy, guys. I mean, it's insane.

I agree with you. I'm not trying to attribute too much power to these things. I'm just trying to establish that there is something there. Yeah. There's something to do with this idea. But I agree with what you're saying. Absent of God, which is what they've done, the New Age movement has taken the frequency aspect, the vibration aspect, and they've removed God from it. Now the power is upon themselves. Yeah, yeah. And this stuff does work. What did you say?

They're like special, special, special boys, special boy.

There's something there's levels of like low level magic. And you're going to tell me that this stuff doesn't work. Witchcraft is real. They can do this stuff. But there are also levels of power that are above that we're talking about authority and dominion that we've been given. So, sure, these things do exist. And I feel like when we're talking to like new age parishioners or people that are coming from there, if I tell them like, yeah, that's all. No, like, no, no, no. For sure. What you're doing over there is real, but it's not it's not real power.

you're you're also misunderstanding the nature of it yeah and it also comes at an extreme cost you know so so james a couple things you said there that i want to touch on um but i do like

that i do like the walls of jericho thing i'm gonna go have i'm gonna go back and uh research

that a little bit more so check it out you'll see it so uh james said um that demons travel on sound which i would yeah that seems to come up over and over again and then of course uh the special boy everything I think that relates directly to what I've kind of been researching lately I found myself in a gate program a lot of people are familiar with the gate program uh Facebook group and I entered it to kind of see like what are these people talking about what do they think what do they make of their experiences and and you know the kind of the bigger picture of things and I started to have this theory that you know the gate program was maybe a selection process for mk ultra which

MKUltra, as far as like demons being on sound and things like that, like they're obsessed with frequency and disassociative states and individuals. And, you know, they're really dealing with demonic possession and things of that nature, trauma that allows iniquity to enter a bloodline. So I start to have this theory that I think if the gate program was a selection process and it's a big topic right now, you'll see this going viral on TikTok and it's kind of like exploded. If it was a selection process for MKUltra, what are they selecting for? What are they looking for? So it seems pretty obvious that MKUltra figures out, as far as inducing a state of disassociation, whether it's by trauma or psychedelics or any of these things or a combination of them, some people are more receptive than others. So that's what the GATE program is looking for. Who are these more receptive than others? And I think they're looking for generational iniquity. I think that part of the process of, let's say, even the headphones that you put on that emit different waves or frequencies to see if you can perceive them, I have an idea, and this is just a kind of crappy idea on my behalf, but I think it starts to get some legs the more I look into it, that you said demons travel on sound. Well, I said spirits, so it's all spirits. All spirits. All spirits. Demons but angels. Go ahead. Correct, correct. so um i think they've probably mapped it out i think that certain spirits are on certain sound waves certain frequencies and i think they've mapped it out and i think they have more interest in some than others and i would imagine that the intelligence agencies have more interest in demonic ones than than angelic ones and they can then isolate and show those to And if you can perceive it, I think that that might be a testable way to see if you have generational iniquity, if a spiritual entity has a legal access to your bloodline because of the iniquity that was caused when your ancestors dabbled in witchcraft or occultism or Freemasonry or you name it, that that is a road that is legally developed between that bloodline. And we know as Christians that debt has already been paid. We can call upon the blood of Jesus Christ to break those bonds. But you have to do that. But you have to do that, right. So – but I think there is a perceivable way to identify whether or not that bond has been created between your bloodline. And that is maybe as simple as can you hear this thing? Because if you can perceive this where the vast majority of the public cannot perceive it, there's a high likelihood that that means this entity by whatever goofy name actually has access to you.

So in Disclosure Day – sorry to cut you off. Go ahead, go ahead. Very interesting because, again, another principle that they do nail is this one. um one of the government agents is using uh i don't know some kind of like alien tech it's like a crystal yeah of course it's a crystal to uh astral project or remote view but it's also a form of possession like he can be inside of the person paralyze them and then like project himself across the room and have a conversation with them it comes at a great toll to him but

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They mentioned that they can't do it to the two protagonists because they have been inflicted with the previous trauma. So it's a bit of an inversion to what you're saying. Yeah. But the principle is still there that like they can go out and reach you, but not if you've been touched in a certain way. And I think that the inversion would be if you're covered, If you're filled with the Holy Spirit, you can't be filled with anything else. Yeah. So it's just funny that they understand that principle. And they invert it. That's what they do. They invert it.

That's what they do. So, you know, I have this theory that I'm developing. And I go, we've done this show for, it's almost three years now. And I'm a big fan of shows like The Confessionals where Tony is having these people come on and they're sharing their experiences. And through that, you get to see some patterns overlap between one person's paranormal testimony and another person's paranormal testimony. And to me. what becomes very clear listening to those experiences and we do a fair bit of that on our own show as well people will write in and they'll tell us their stories that i believe so much of it can be filed away under generational iniquity these strange things are happening to you and have happened since childhood because there is something that has access to your bloodline almost always someone will say well actually yeah uh my grandfather was a freemason or my my grandmother was an occultist or something of that nature or a witch or what have you so So you also get a bunch of elements where my own stories are not dissimilar from other stories that you would hear on shows like that. Sleep paralysis, shadow people, ancestors who have dabbled in the occult, alien encounters, on and on and on. And I kind of develop like a framework. I found in this particular instance 17 elements that were worth mentioning. And I go into this group and I say, let's play a game. These are all alleged gate program experiences. Now it's a Facebook group, so there's no way to vet and know whether or not these people are actually. But it's not very often that you get that kind of a group to kind of run a test on. To run a test on. So I go, add a point for every one of these that apply to you. And I go down this list. Alien abductions, UFO sightings, ever see a cryptid, sleep paralysis, demonic encounters, you know, grandma or ancestor was into the occult, you're a practitioner of Wiccan, new age ideas, Gnostic ideologies, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. 17 of these. And my theory is that most people that respond will have an overwhelming amount. Not just like a quarter or a third. I'm saying half or more of these boxes checked off James it was insane number one it resonated with all of them they all loved this thing because it spoke to them they've all had these experiences and I think it's up to like 200 comments now uh over 200 people are all saying I've experienced a majority three quarters if not all 17 of these elements and it doesn't prove anything but what it does is it starts to make me go this generational iniquity thing might actually be what they're selecting for like this this element um might be what mk ultra and all these other programs adjacent programs are fascinated with because throughout our research it becomes overwhelmingly obvious that the intelligence agencies there are subsections of them that are

dedicated to communicating with the spiritual realm but they're not they're not it's the same way disclosure if these are spiritual entities if everything can be chalked up into demonic and angelic the government's not going to disclose angelic beings to us they're not going to expose us to beings that are still in the grace of god just like these programs i don't think they have the right to they probably they don't have the right to i would agree with that that's that's on god's time you know if there was going to be anything else that they could expose it could be these demonic things and they could repackage them but i think that these these mk ultra programs are not going to be um interacting with entities that are still in the grace of god they're going to be interacting with demonic entities and so i think that that makes a lot of sense as far as the iniquity thing and i think it makes a lot of sense as to why they can perceive these frequencies why they've got these headphones on why that's part of the the fundamental testing ground one of the first things i mean we've all had i remember the headphones i don't think i went anywhere with it but i remember the headphones um in elementary school i grew up in elizabeth new jersey they put the headphones on me drink the drink the pink drink can you hear this tone can you hear that tone can you hear that tone and i think they've probably got them mapped out and if you could hear these couple of tones okay there might be something there there might be a line we might have access and they're doing it to children too right so it's like before anything we have we're born with a sinful nature but i think that children who are really experiencing you know paralysis and the hat man and and all these crazy phenomenon at a young age these things have access to you from that young because of iniquity because of something that is in your bloodline and so that's another thing that by the time you're an adult there are all kinds of transgressions that you could have partaken in that would make you accessible legally accessible by the demonic realm right um but as a child that really narrows it down it's probably iniquity which is why you're

experiencing these things no that's a good point i think there's a little bit more to that too so the the gifts of the lord he gives without he doesn't repent of the gifts that he gives to people like me growing up in new orleans like i tell people all the time i have a very distinct advantage because new orleans is a marine kingdom territory so you i was in high in elementary school with kids that would see spirits and hear voices, but they thought the kid was crazy. And the issue I see is this. The kingdom of darkness, Satan can't really create anything because he's not a creator. What he does is he steals, he kills, and he destroys. So what they do is they go out and they test people to see who God has given gifts to. So you've got seers, you've got hearers, you've got people who have the ability to transport themselves. And those are the gifts that have been given by the Lord. You can go find the scriptures in the Bible where there are disciples that were in one place, and then they transported themselves to another place. I think it was Elijah or Elijah that knew what his servant was saying and was doing. He was like, was I not there with you, even though the guy was 500 miles away. It's gifts from the Lord, and what they do is they find those people who have those gifts, and then they move them into programs. And then either they traumatize them in their programs, they buy them from their parents, and then they take that gift, and then they harness that gift for it. They test everybody. I remember I was tested as a kid for stuff. but also then there's a test like if you ever been a kid and you've been to church i never forget i was i got saved at 12 years old um the day i got baptized at 12 i'm sitting in the back of the church and this lady just walks up to me and then another lady walk up and they both put their hands around they're doing like i'm sitting there they're doing like this and the lady says boy she say uh i don't know what the lord has for you but the lord has put a powerful for anointing on you and on your life and you can't run from this and i never forget she said no matter what happened you can't run from this because he gonna get you to do what he wants you to do you understand i'm like the what this crazy old lady talking about but at 12 years old now mind you i was recruited into a government space program united states space and strategic defense command when i was 19 early 19 years old put into real underground programs to do missiles and whatever i'm not gonna talk about that because i'm not trying to get my head knocked off my But the point I'm making to you is those are gifts that come from the Lord, and then they harness those gifts. And they may use the corruption of the person's soul by doing stuff to them to get them to where they can infest them with demons. But all that comes from the Lord. All power comes from the Lord. That's, for example, Daniel was talking about the lesser powers of people who practice witchcraft. The temple of a witch is nature, because nature in itself has inherent power from the Lord. So the moon has power, the sun has power, all that's power that's been gifted to the moon, the sun, the waters, everything else.

So their whole temple is nature. And so what happens is, is it effective? Yes, because that water has power because God gave it power. That moon has power because the Lord gave it power. The sun has power because the Lord gave the sun power. But then there's the power and authority of Jesus Christ. And so when someone who's been practicing witchcraft actually comes against someone who has the power and authority and dominion of Jesus Christ, then there's this conflict and somebody has to learn a lesson. And typically it's the person who's practicing witchcraft. Depends on whose altar is the strongest, who prays the most honestly, who has the most sacrifice to their God. But it is what it is.

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I think at the end of the day, go ahead, Daniel.

Because that reminded me, and it's always been perplexing as to whether or not this person was telling the truth, but this lady, Kim Walker from Jesus Culture, it was like a band back, like, I don't know, 10 years ago. She had a story where she mentioned they're doing worship in the front, and I guess like a Holy Spirit-filled church, and it's like, you know when you can feel it. like he's like oh man something here is like static um and she said somebody in the back was there and the guy started like levitating and the church this church is uh i think it might have been like a hillsong type church or one of these and they're very open with what kind of worship they allow again denominations get weird but uh they're like what we don't allow is levitation so they went they pulled the guy down like you got to come down they kicked him out and I'm left to wonder

about that because like you know you know the devil goes to church and is he are these people going there and feeding off of this and because there is an energy that like you know when the musicians are playing in there ushering in the holy spirit and things are actually moving and you could see people you you can feel it i'm a musician myself so like when you're doing this thing you're like okay there's something here we're playing in a chord there's like there's something going on i don't know what it is and i'm directing it at god but who knows what the piano player's doing who knows what anyone's heart is at is is it possible that like because of the energy just in this room there could be somebody there with a completely different intention just soaking it up like this guy's there doing whatever it depends on who's leading that church so for

example um so for example when you there's songs that i'll do when we get off when we get off is i'll i'll drum some angels in there's songs that you can sing that'll drum angels into a room with you immediately they coming like what's going on who we fighting right and so you can drum angels into a room by singing certain songs here's what has to be understood if the angels of the lord are there in that room the demonic entities or spirits that's trying to attach or do something they got they're gonna flee they're gone they're leaving now what a problem comes in is you there's certain churches you can go into and it's imposter worship to the lord and it's all about it's a church full of witches and you'll go there and you'll be like uh because i've been in churches where it's like yo something strange in here this they singing to jesus they praising but this is weird something's wrong and then you see people looking drained and tired i'm like my holy spirit the holy spirit's like hey uh james hey son this this is not the place for you and then you leave but then you later on find out that that church was ran by a coven of witches and so it's darkness cannot exist in the presence of light so when real light is there darkness it's not like it's a battle you the dark room the room is dark you turn on a light darkness is gone right so there's no battle between the two and so you just have to discern what is there if there's darkness there then yeah that's possible but it's not going to be that they're praising and worshiping and praising and worshiping now the other thing is and can and you got to really talk to like some of the guys i've dealt with out of africa there's been times where people have been praying in africa and they've been singing and praying to the lord and people levitated dude just lift up out the chair and be up in the air just just sitting there you're like okay what the hell what's going on but it's a spirit-filled holy spirit-filled church no different than somebody sitting there who has crutches or in a wheelchair they just get up and start running so there's a supernatural aspect of our kingdom and then there's supernatural aspect of the kingdom of darkness and so there's times when supernatural things will happen in the kingdom of light we're just so unused to them because we don't practice in that and we don't work in it because our faith is to be practiced on a daily basis whereas witches and warlocks they practice their faith so when something really really weird happens it's like oh my god that that's out of bounds but people don't practice their faith that's why i love like my mentors out of africa because i can sit and talk with them and be like hey da da da da this is this that no no james go outside and tell a storm there's a tornado come and go outside and tell that tornado you're in covenant with jesus christ and it has no legal authority to come here and if it contends with you then read hebrew 12 to it and explain them that you are on mount zion and you reside on mount zion and i've done it tornado coming walk outside hey excuse me mr tornado i know you're going where you got to go but you can't come over here when you got to go the other way go around go around the whole area where i live in but those things are things that we have to learn by practicing our faith when a christian talks

about that that christian is said to be a witch or a sorcerer when the witch or a sorcerer talks about it people like oh my god you know he's so powerful he did it he he controlled the rent in the rain so it's it's a deeper level of walking as a son of god that the lord is trying to take everybody to he's trying to get us to where we just beyond just sitting in a pew yeah and talking to where you actually exercise your dominion over the earth you guys should interview dr francis miles that's my big homie you should check him out francis miles we want francis miles thank you

for that man because that's a story that i heard for a long time and it always sat strange with me didn't know exactly where to put it especially like the like yeah all right so you're okay with people falling out and all this stuff but levitation's where you draw the line i'm just like okay i don't know but i i this makes a lot more sense and also i think that church might have folded that's one of those that like you know mega churches that kind of go sideways around anymore if they are there i mean or at least they're disgraced i do have happened you know a lot of people that i've i've met um the the the status or the the condition of the modern church is such that people will have a remarkable experience and or maybe let's say gleam the power that is presenting

in witchcraft or something like that and there seems to be no foothold in christianity for that no frame of reference in christianity for that um much of what we've done in in the west to christianity is reduce it yep to the to the extent that it's almost laughable it's when people look at the state of the modern church and they they criticize it i mean it is obviously worth explaining to them a criticism of the church is not a criticism of the power of god that's those two things aren't mutually exclusive and in very many ways you know the the some of the churches do deserve ridicule but people will go over let me ask and they'll have let me finish this thought

real no no this this is important okay all right go ahead do you think do you think that certain songs so you said certain songs bring in an angel uh do you think certain songs bringing demons well oh yeah can they be like pat even though like strip scripturally sound even like uh like you dissect it at the musical level and you go okay musically this makes sense and it's harmonic and it it it matches it's uh it's similar to other ones you think that they could still be like i don't know sigilized or for a lack of better terms like and then sung in other churches and spread or spread that same spirit or like do you understand the question

what i'm saying so what you're saying is if from a christian perspective because someone create a song that sounds like a christian song but be inspired from a different spirit that carries a spirit into the church yeah right right because because any the think about it like this the every song is downloaded from a different realm the take rap music for example right my wife and i were watching a video the other day and it was the song supersonic and i was like babe look at this song this rap video supersonic and the girls had on biker tights but they had clothes and it was covered up she was like yeah that's before we got into the gangster rap and all the foolishness then i clicked one of the gangster rap videos as soon as the music hit boom i felt the spirit on the music it was the spirit of murder and i said oh that's wild okay and i turned it off because i don't want it in my house so yes music can be packaged with a sound that transmits the spirit and carries the spirit when it comes to christian music some of the most like there's a guy named nathaniel baizey if you want to listen to somebody just go check out nathaniel baizey what nathaniel baizey does is nathaniel baizey literally opens a portal to heaven when he sings and when he plays and he worships and that's how you know how powerful music is so could it happen in a christian church yes absolutely it could happen in a church could somebody disguise it and and and download a song from the kingdom of darkness and and then disguise it and put it yeah absolutely it can absolutely happen i told people before i was 100 certain that the covid vaccine the concept and idea of covid vaccines was downloaded from the spirit realm uh as a hellish disease to kill people and then later when people passed and started talking about it was like yeah that thing came straight from hell yeah and everything associated with it came straight from hell so we got to understand that there's this realm that everything exists in that people are pulling things out of yes for themselves all the time yeah one of our our favorite examples of that

is uh carlos santana um right and he goes in his time magazine interview might have been uh another one but i'm pretty sure it was time and they're asking him like where he gets his inspiration from and i don't know if the interviewer expected him to say like oh well you know it comes from my roots or my family or the culture i grew up in he goes i get my music from metatron and the interviewer just kind of like goes wow that's fascinating and just keeps it going but there's no shortage of that all over the music industry anybody who's being honest and it's not just the music industry right uh it happens in technology as well people will say this idea came to me in a dream um or i downloaded it uh there was a individual there's a movie

as well of course yeah yeah yeah a little bit of our story was uh we were as we were doing this event we were about to open up a studio podcast studio above a coffee shop in the town that ended up kind of they didn't kick us out but you know the theater did so we left um and and we're like yeah this is a great idea all falls apart and uh maybe four months later i walk into the coffee shop that i'm in now i'm i walk and get a coffee and the thing too is like this is right this coffee shop is right behind a dunkin donuts you would never know it's the worst place in the world but it stays open he does well um yeah and i had my nephilim desk watch shirt he's what do you know about the nephilim you know and we start chatting it up a month later he's like open up a

podcast studio here he's got a christian library in the back a christian library in the back i had

no idea and it's like it's yeah it's like uh i guess a download of god saying like yeah yeah podcast studio yes and then coffee shop and we go yeah that makes sense let's do that and we try to

force it we try to force it to happen and we're just butting up against something and then you you kind of throw your hands up and you go all right well that didn't work out but whatever god

wants next and then it just like it happens no no podcast studio in a coffee shop it's so much

better when God does things too because

the in some ways the amount of effort like look i'm not gonna get it wrong i mean there's there's labor involved right we we painted and decorated and and and put up wallpaper and and did all this stuff in here and there's like real labor like it is work but it happens without resistance without resistance it's it's almost like you couldn't um slow this thing down if you wanted to the momentum of getting everything done we made a studio in three days and and then and then what it does is it's it's remarkable since we're in this christian library um and it's a coffee shop people are coming through here all the time we're having conversations this isn't unlike anything because i wasn't raised christian and i i wasn't in the church um but my life is such right now that all i do like the people that i talk to in real life it's all about the the truth the nature of reality the nature of god you know like like that's the conversations that we're having on a regular basis here with people we don't even know with with complete strangers in many cases and um and i couldn't have planned this he couldn't have planned this like there's no way but we had some some unction some idea of like yeah this like this studio in a coffee shop and but in that town it would have been like liberal and it wouldn't have really worked out i'm sure we would have worked but it wouldn't have worked yeah it would have been contentious uh but here it's like if it was left up to us we would have tried to make it work until it just you know because we are we are hard-headed yeah so we would have like kept pushing in this direction but when god wants you to do a thing like it's not without its work it does require labor but it opens up and you just are are almost like in a river and the river is taking you in this direction and and sure like you've got a paddle and you've got to you know get the whatever the raft together and do these things but like the river is taking you and it's so much better when god when god has his hands on a thing like yeah he does things that um that we can't do

that that's you guys are so massive it's ridiculous you guys gonna be massive has anybody ever got ladies and gentlemen we this interview is going long but now we just talking so i'm just gonna let all the talk and just stay guys i'm gonna tell y'all a story just share something personal There was a time period where I came through this period, this time of spiritual warfare, very intense spiritual warfare, and I'm sitting outside smoking a cigar talking to the Lord. And he says, hey, James. I was like, yes, my Lord. He says, will you build altars for me? I was like, sure. I'll build an altar for you, but what is an altar? He says, I'm going to take you on a journey. I said, okay. He said, get in your car. I said, okay. So I get in my car. I'm driving up Veterans Boulevard in Metairing. And he says, go get your car clean because your car is dirty. Okay. So I just go to the car wash. and at the car wash you got to get out the car and they clean your car so i get and go inside the car wash and i said as soon as i walk in the door i'm like man it feel real good in here he says yes look around and tell me what you see so i'm walking around i'm looking around and i see there's this whole wall where they have scriptures on the wall there's crosses there's little bibles that you can take and he says this is what an altar looks like in business he said this is a place where my spirit can interact with people when they're getting their car washed and i'm sitting there like this is crazy sit down so i'm sitting down waiting on my car to get washed and this lady walks up to the counter you could tell she's like you could tell she's burdened she walks up and the young lady behind the counter says hey ma'am how you doing how you feeling but she just chipper and cheer lady's like well i've been having a bad day you know my son is doing this this this and i'm like okay what's about to happen here and the little girl just touches her hand and says, it's going to be all right. We're going to get your car clean. You're going to have a much better day because God loves you. The lady instantly kind of like moves her shoulders and then straightens up and smiles. I said, I'm sitting there, bro, and I'm trying not to scream. I'm like, Lord, this is crazy. You trying to tell me? He says, yeah, there are altars that are built unto me and there are businesses that are altars to Satan. So my car gets watched, right? I'm like, this is exciting. I'm going to do this. He said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, before you make the agreement, we need So he said, go get your oil change. I'm like, well, Lord, I ain't got no money to get my oil change. I just spent all my money on this car wash. I'm driving. Bring money. Come into my account. Ding. I go to the oil change place. Go to the oil change place. There's this girl with this bull ring in her nose. She got tattoos all on her neck. I'm talking about like a septum ring. Yep, yep. And I'm in it. And it's just the shop is just dead. It feels void. There's no spirit in there. And I said, okay, what is this? He said, this is a business that has no spirit in it. yep he's like this is just the business i said okay so i get my oil changed i'm like all right well i'm about to go back home i said no you ain't going home he said all right i want you to go to the mall i'm like lord i don't go in malls because you know crazy he said no i want you to go to the mall so he said go in the mall so i go into the mall i'm like well i'll go to get me a little cigar from the mall because they got a real nice cigar shop so i'm on my way no you're not getting a cigar go in this store and it's

one of those skateboarder stores where they sell kind of like skateboardy grunge stuff so as soon as I walk in the door boom it's like I hit a wall I'm like what is this he said this is an altar to Satan do you feel it and I'm like I don't want to go in there he said no go in you're gonna be fine so I walk all the way in I'm walking around and you can it's like something's pressing on my shoulders and I'm like this is crazy he said do you understand what altars are I'm like oh I understand he said build them for me and so I'm thinking okay you know I'm gonna build altars like i'm gonna go start a hotel and and me and him hash out this deal we're talking he said i want you to know this is a long process because you got to understand them and so i'm still going through the process of building altars but you build people as altars first then he lets you build physical altars what you guys have done is now you've went into business inside an altar to the lord and so now you're engaging with people inside of that altar which means that the level of spiritual protection that's there is even stronger because the business owner serves the lord yes now you're it's double businesses serving the lord inside hold on hold on are you going where

i think we're probably not but uh damn the guy the guy that emceed brohemian grove uh shane cashman he was a writer for tim cast he's like he wrote a great piece on kanye and a bunch of other people but uh we we invited him to come down and emcee and we put him at a hotel about two miles down the road and this is before we were ever here we didn't even know this place existed no because we were trying to do stuff in in the other town and then we ended up in another venue and uh he was writing out his his set and like what he was going to do and say and i was going to present the stuff and he came here to this shop the standard coffee shop in uh lady lake and he was sitting at the the black table the big black table in the front there he was there all day writing and the bizarre part is the hotel we put him in overlooked the town square that has a coffee shop in it and he walked past that another mile past two more coffee shops yeah and then another mile past that got to the dunkin donuts and then went behind it to this place walk right to it yeah sat in here for hours did what he had to do came and then he lit he lit it up he i mean he was tremendous he

was fantastic by the way shane cashman is a guy who you know one of his big moments recently was being on a show with a guy who was an occultist and a numerologist and it was a big show he was on tim cast with tim pool and shane cashman all he did for that whole episode was answer in scripture he only read scripture on that show he didn't say anything else that wasn't the word of

god you want to talk about it was an incredible moment station on this guy oh that guy was

uncomfortable man he was he was not all right um but the reason shane did that is because in the green room leading up to the show the guy was kind of dunking on christians and saying like oh I hope you guys don't have any Christians here and you know Shane Cashman overhears that and then gets on the show only only responds in scripture really fantastic but you know you were saying what this place is built on and and who we went into business with James it's actually incredible because you know we were making allusions to the idea that that last event we we lost some some friendships and some business partnerships and the one guy we were going into business with we were going to go into business with it was going to be like a one-third contractual split you know live events and all this other stuff and it falls apart magnificently to the point where you couldn't even salvage it no matter how humble you tried to be and apologetic or any of these things there was no way to salvage this thing and uh listeners of the show one guy in particular shout out to scott if he's listening um he showed me in corinthians where it talks about not being yoked with unbelievers and i said wow i was about to talk about being yoked that's a contractual relationship with an individual man i'm getting a little bit i'm trying and um and so i go wow man like it feels like god removed this thing where it wasn't going to work out i wasn't

going to remove it and the signs were all there i knew for years but we're just dummies and i i've got really good discernment yeah yeah but this guy um i i like him you know he's a good guy it's just that the signs were there the flags were there but it was my unwillingness to be like i don't know you know i don't know if you've ever had that in your life oh yes yeah i i got the

price for it well me too yeah i mean we paid a price during that time uh hey everybody lady

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god has given me it's it's dreams i get things in dreams um that are really crazy and and you know this falling apart was so adversarial and it was so volatile and venomous and um you know because one party's saying things that are untrue and they're saying them in a public platform and and you have this desire to set the the record straight and i had this dream that i was on a on a ship on chaotic waters uh it's like a storm and and uh and there was in the dream i thought was a vampire an ancient vampire but i realized later on this was the adversary this was satan and he was this kind of sleek looking older man um and he was dressed well and there were people who were sharing in this vampirism i think maybe that's why the dream did vampire because they're sharing in the spirit with him um and there's like a floozy kind of woman and there's like you know that's just the one that really stuck out to me i can't remember the other characters I just knew that they were sharing in this spirit. And some of them are tumbling overboard into the chaotic waters. And I know about this ancient vampire that this is where he's going to. And I also am aware that he's kind of almost remorseful that he knows that he is bringing people with him into that abyss. But he's doing it anyway. And he's also upset that I won't share in that spirit with him. And that's it. It's a really straightforward dream. It's choppy, crazy waters. The ocean looks black. The sky is black. There's a storm. These people are tumbling overboard. But I'm not doing that. I'm not sharing in this spirit with him. And I realize I have an opportunity to share in a spirit. And it feels like vindication. It feels like, no, no, no. I'm correct. You're spreading false information. And I can get whipped up in the spirit of resentment and anger and rage and all these things. I choose not to. And instead, I apologize. I try to reconcile. It doesn't work out. But man, after that all falls apart, I mean, we do go into business. The guy who owns this shop, his name is Matt Heppner. He does a show that I guess is on our network. It's called Straight Bible. I don't think you could actually see it. Straight Bible is right over here. um and it's just it's all scripture it's all scripture and he's been another tremendous help

in my walk yeah that show that show that uh we were doing a show with the guy that left and we had another comedy show and it was like these were things that i really enjoyed doing and it was like stripped away from me in a day yeah in a day gone it was crazy like we even did an episode and then like right after that was it was it was insane the way it fell apart but it was it was kind of like restored to me in a way because now uh matt heppner the guy he's he's also a great order and he's a great fantastic he's like sharp as sharp as attack on the bible and he has a spirit like he has a real heart for for bringing this and he's good at it and i said you know we'll develop let's develop a show i mean if you want to do it you're you're just a coffee guy but you want to

try he's bringing the gospel you get a coffee and he's bringing you the word of god while you're

getting a coffee you know what i mean like that's awesome we get to do this thing now the show is called straight bible so another plug uh straight bible go check that out because that's like that's something that i'm building that like i think is like that's it's so important it's so important i get to sit in i sit on it and i get to like put my talents of like i'm a graphic designer and i like to uh i like to put things together so i get to produce this show and also participate like when when i'm needed but he's leading the study we also get to present it to

we've accumulated these people who who love what we do and who believe in us and they and they've been around since the beginning and i've been struggling because i've not been raised christian and i'm my walk is new and i'm still trying to understand scripture and and how do i provide this for these people i can only do whatever's true we have a specific skill set a very specific skill set yeah but now because of that because of his addition to this because of of being yoked with him not only do we have the physical thing that is this studio in this unbelievable place that God has facilitated, but now we get to bring this, not just for ourselves, but to all these people who have supported us and been here since the beginning. I mean, the communities come together, and they're doing weekly Bible studies independent of us. We have nothing to do with it. The fan base is getting together and doing Bible studies on their own, and it's like it's injected. scripture straight into the heart of everything that we're doing and God first removed this thing that like it hurt James it hurt like hell to have that happen in the way that it did and only a few months later God did this and and I I got it you know what I mean like I think if there are times where I listen well and it was like okay don't be yoked with unbelievers you know what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever okay okay and and also don't share in this spirit of of anger and vengeance vengeance isn't mine like that's that's got nothing to do with me forgive and move on and i think like i don't know if we talked about this earlier right but yeah you forgive and now it allows for this thing to happen you know so for me it was like i i had i had my moments where i think god was was talking to me dave was actually very good on this i missed

it the first time and god's great graceful so he gave me this is the second go around and i'm like okay yeah i got it i got it this time like now i i understand i'm stupid this is how i learned though like i got i got to do the mistake david you got it right the first time we had an argument about

it it was crazy i i was i was getting this right this notion to go and talk to this guy he still lived in the area and i was gonna go talk to him and it was like something that just kept it was just an intrusive thought and some intrusive thoughts are bad right like somebody cuts you off in traffic you have a bunch of intrusive thoughts this one was go and talk to him get a gift bring a gift go to his door he doesn't live that far he moved since then but like go and and do this and i was i was so undecisive about it and then one day i'm sitting at a at a red light with my wife and i'm going i gotta go talk to this guy and she's like what and i go i don't know how to explain it to you but this just like keeps getting put on my heart and my mind to go talk to this guy as i'm saying this he pulls up at the opposing light and i see him and i go this is unbelievable and instead of listening and this is my fault too um i sought counsel i sought counsel in in top i sought counsel in in the pastor and and i knew it i knew i knew what this was i knew what i should have done and then because of that i i think i suffered some spiritual attacks because of disobedience. And I don't know if that was at the hand of God or if it was because of that disobedience, you open yourself up. There is now this drop of iniquity. And I had to repent for that in order to get it to stop. My life has been, in some ways, I'm kind of blessed when my iniquity comes about. It is spooky as hell. So it's very easy to see. And I knew something was happening that came out of nowhere and was kind of getting worse. And I repented. I went through a deliverance session. It stopped on a dime. It was all very, very, very, very obvious to me. But, you know, eventually I reached out. I did a sheepish kind of thing where I reached out on the phone and, you know, that was never reciprocated. So I think I missed an opportunity there um but yeah i mean this is this has been instrumental that moment that we're talking about losing that friendship and then losing that business and then starting up here and getting yoked with matt and all of these things have been uh when you zoom out very very clear god has his hands on this and i would say that the only time it runs into a hiccup is when we're hard-headed

and disobedient that's for everybody bro that that's for me it's it's a thousand times worse that for me he'll say hey james do this if i don't even when he says do it i just be like okay it has to make no sense it could be because the opposite is you don't do it you know you're getting ramsack like i know i done punched satan in the throat i done poked him in his eyes i'm like nah whatever you say do let me just do it because i don't want to leave give satan no legal ground to touch me yeah family anything like that and so um but that's how we learn and he knows that's how we learn he learned we learn by being hard-headed he knows that we're hard-headed and we're prideful, and that's how it works. All right, guys, we've been going for two hours, man. I got to tell you. Whoa. I'm just going to keep it real. I do a lot of interviews, and I don't really enjoy it. I stopped doing it. I did hundreds of interviews over my time. I stopped doing interviews because I didn't enjoy talking to people. I really enjoyed hanging out with y'all. This is a pleasure, James. This is a pleasure. An awesome time hanging out, man. Now let's do the shameless plug where you talk about everything all at once.

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because sometimes the rss feed will put the ads on uh we we have all of our merch and uh and tickets to brohemian grove that event that we're talking about on top lobster that's with an a at the end.com you'll find all of our our shirts and you'll also find the link for brohemian grove next one is coming up in august 8th uh so we're real close in florida if anybody's out in florida um you know come and see us it's going to be a bunch of different people i mean the list is almost too long to name but it's a bunch of big podcasts and we have owen benjamin coming out which was supposed to be a surprise not surprise anymore um and by the way we said it earlier we are in the standard coffee shop in lady lake florida and our studio is very public if any of your listeners are in florida and want to drop by and and hang out and chat or or you know get access to the christian library that's in the back or just be a part of of this community um we we encourage you come by come say hi you know it's uh it's always an interesting experience when people do but we're not afraid of that uh lady lake standard coffee shop in florida right behind

the dunkin donuts and uh yeah if you guys are interested too check out straight bible that's something that uh we've been working on really hard it's grown exponentially in just a short time that it's been like moving and i think it actually like it provides a really good resource

it does it provides one for me you know in the in the times where i we had one here we had the the whole uh coffee shop was packed out there was like a hundred people here and we did a live bible study and it was incredible it was incredible it was it was all about um you know the the fool and the wise man the fool building is uh his thing and the wise man building his podcast studio in

leesburg the wise man building it in the coffee shop on a foundation of jesus christ yeah so um

you know that was a really cool episode but yeah guys please uh come by and see us listen to the show let us know what you think and and come be a part of the uh community thank you james thank

you it was a pleasure man listen guys i'm doing you know i don't really give endorsements of stuff that you should listen to i'm telling you based on this conversation man you should go take a listen and subscribe and follow these guys um there's a lot of people come on and they talk about jesus and they act like they use jesus kind of as a a net to catch people the name of jesus a net to catch people and then they dump them in this filthy pond and it's like you get oh this guys believe in jesus then they dump you in the pond of nephilums or they dump you in the pond of ufos or they dump you in the pond of demons this is not what's going on right here ladies and gentlemen so i'm gonna ask that you go ahead and show them some support show them some love and head on over and subscribe and then follow their podcast and i'm telling you every time i've ever said this about people it happened remember i told you guys about tony merkel 10 years ago when tony merkel came i said tony's gonna blow up and be a big podcast tony blew up to be a very big podcast you know i was one of his earliest guests on his shows he was like man you know So every time I've ever said this, it's come to pass because there are certain anointings that the Lord put on people and you can see them. So get in board, get on board now early while you can so you can be an OG with them when they get to where they're going. You don't want to be the people that come on later on and ride the train late. All right, ladies and gentlemen, the one and only James Williams, Dark Waters, and I'm out of here. Thank you.

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