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Alan Lee, my major is drafting and design. In high school, I did it since my sophomore year, and I kind of wanted to continue it. It was the only thing I was good at. I didn't want to move to a four-year yet. I don't think I'm mentally prepared. I found Bishop State. They had the program. I met a few people there. I ended up enrolling. The instructor, first day I met him, I told him about my background. He said, okay, great, you know about this. He built me straight to work. He didn't let me have any leeway. He pushed me to my limits. So I think that made me choose drafting design at Bishop State and stuck with it. But the sport's amazing. All my instructors just want to see me succeed. They want to push me to my limit. They want to see me be the best I can be, get a job, just be as successful as I can be. And I really appreciate all of them. With my degree, as of right now, my plan is to work for the city of Mobile with their urban planning department. And I've already got a job shadow before, and hopefully I will internship over the summer. If you choose Bishop, we're welcome to have you any day.

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I would say Bishop State's like a home for people. It may not be like a four-year where you have a dorm, you have a roommate, you have a rec center, but it's still a place you can go meet new people, classmates, people in the hallway, make friends with advisors on all these teachers and everything like that. It's just a place you can feel like yourself and not try to be that you don't want to be. With this program, I learned networking a lot. We've had two dinners with heads of different companies dealing with shipping or even game design builds, dealing with AutoCAD or 3D modeling. So really being able to meet new people or meet heads of new people has been really helpful. I don't come from a wealthy family, so four years were kind of not out of the picture, but less probable for me to go to. Bishop State, with my scholarship, it cut my price in half and made it way easier for me to go to school for the same 12 credits I would go for a four-year.

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So the only thing that you've done is make a gigantic film that hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people will see. And the only mention that you saw fit to inject of something Christ adjacent was a dismissal of the notion saying that anybody who did express that notion stood in the way of progress. Something that I've actually heard you say on your review of Age of Disclosure. You echo those exact same sentiments. You said that those people who said demonic and demons were misguided. These individuals are misguided. Which is the exact same thing that was said on that documentary. They just said those people stood in the way of progress. they're actually working against the interest of disclosing the truth so what you've done now is to the average person who's not well researched who doesn't have the analytical mind who doesn't even have the time you've subliminally planted a little seed in their head and that is religious people have stood in the way of progress because of things like labeling this demonic or of the devil which means that anytime they hear that in the future they're going to scoff and recoil at that what this leads to according to the new age and a multitude of other things including the bible is a falling away and a consolidation of the religions one world religion under this new umbrella you have to actually get christianity out of the way it's not unremarkable or insignificant that in this gigantic documentary the only thing they saw fit to do was dismiss it in the most flippant ways they're not christians a lot of these guys are christians they're not approaching this phenomenon without they're not approaching this without being rooted in jesus christ as the gospel is what you said right this is the biggest mouthpiece on this phenomenon are not rooted in the bible joining us today is timothy alberino uh before we get into the discussion tim let's let everybody know uh what it is that you do what is your work focused on so you guys

are only going to publish the first 20 minutes of this and then put the rest of it behind your

paywall yes yeah because we're greedy and we're disgusting no it'll be uh we want to give it as

a much of a chance to get seen as possible so we're going to polish it up nothing will be edited of course it'll just be it'll look a lot nicer only the first 20 minutes are going to be

public correct no for now for about a week maybe yeah well i mean when we get yeah it'll all be

all right so you're going to assure me that the totality of this thing can be seen by people for

free yes yes it will be seen for free everything that happens here will be seen for free it'll

just look a little bit better yeah less sleepy because uh it sounded like you're going to just publish the first 20 minutes and put the rest of it behind a paywall on patreon

yes yes for about uh you know four to five okay for a limited period of time okay yes that's right

all right now what

you ask me let the people know who may not be familiar with you what it is that you focus on

uh i don't i don't really have a particular focus i i have an eclectic suite of topics that i'm always talking about um ranging from alternative history to legends of ancient giants uh the ufo phenomenon transhumanism and uh everything in between philosophy politics i'm probably most well known for my work and um in the ufo space and giants and stuff i've done in peru all right

all right i think that's a good overview um if it's all the same to you i want to jump straight into sort of the content or the meat of this uh just so the audience is aware we had a little bit i wouldn't call it a disagreement i maybe took some comedic liberties with uh some outfit choices that you've had in the past and i may be currently doing that but it's just in my nature and uh it got your attention and the thing that you may be currently doing that i might be currently doing that very disrespectful i just i i don't think that it's fair that he has such a stranglehold

on a cool outfit i would also like to know i have never i have never dressed up as a homosexual

version of Indiana Jones. The only thing you have on me is maybe a higher quality hat. I carry a whip in public, which I've yet to seen you do. And I think that speaks to my convictions when it comes to my love. You have me there. There we go. A lot of the topic that we were going back and forth on Twitter about was the nature of the alien phenomenon. And as you said previously, you're you're best known for your work in that field, among other things. And so the sticking point the the point of contention was kind of a verbose a verbose one it was this idea of aliens are demons which is a blanket statement and admittedly very reductive i hope to get at the heart of that today and so the first question that i want to ask you which you are in opposition to right let's just be clear with that aliens are not demons in the blanket sense uh is your position

um yeah something like that i would actually like to hear your guys's theory of the case before i say anything because i don't really understand what it is that you guys believe that's why don't why don't you lay out your hypothesis of the let's call it the ufo

phenomenon in the alien presence that is a a lofty endeavor at the opening of this show and i'll not be allowing you to steer this show mr albarino and so back to my original question which was going to be uh what are demons i i'm just trying to lay the groundwork here uh and then we're going to work up to this because as you probably are aware and will agree with this is a multifaceted subject very nuanced it's going to take a lot of digging through the weeds to get through all this so i thought a good place to be with to be defining what a demon is okay so are we

are we framing are we framing this conversation within a theological context is this are we talking a biblical understanding of demons here? Are we talking a pop culture understanding of

demons? I think we're talking about what you think specifically. This is the entire contention of

this episode. Well, what I think is irrelevant. So it depends on what your perspective is. Now, I come from a biblical perspective. And so I would frame, if you're going to invoke the word demons you're using a biblical term and you have the idea of demons and other cultures and other religions like the jinn to the muslims but but i think what you guys mean is is demons in the biblical sense so if you're going to talk about demons in the biblical within the biblical context then you have to refer to the cosmological worldview of the ancient hebrews otherwise you're no longer using the term biblically. Now we have, the word demons has been mangled and redefined, and it's been, it's in the words of Bilbo Baggins, it's like butter spread over too much bread. It's used very, very broadly today, and it's, it's, The use of it is so broad that it really doesn't mean anything anymore. So the first thing that we have to do is define our terms. So within the context of biblical cosmology, of ancient Hebrew cosmology, a demon is something very, very specific. It is exclusively the disembodied spirit of a Nephilim. That's all it is in the biblical context. These are the unclean spirits, the evil spirits, those spirits that seek to inhabit human flesh, the ones that Jesus encounters and the disciples of the New Testament. You don't see them so much in the Old Testament, although there are some appearances. That is what a demon is. It is a disembodied spirit, the spirit of a dead giant. Now, there's some other terms that people often will conflate with demon. And this term is a contrivance, so I don't like it very much. But people like to use the term fallen angel, which isn't a biblical term. I would concede that it's a biblical concept, but it's not a biblical term. And a fallen angel is something altogether different. These are beings who are extraterrestrial in provenance and who are sometimes referred to, especially in the New Testament, as angels. In the Old Testament, the term angel, the word angel is a descriptor. It's an occupational descriptor. it's not a designation of kind or classification of kind it's just an occupational descriptor it's a job description so these beings you have the faithful angels in heaven and then you have the

insubordinate or apostate angels on earth and we're going to switch the word angel here for much more definitive word, which would be sons of God. So you have the sons of God in heaven who are faithful to the king of heaven, and then you have the sons of God on earth who are in a state of insubordination, insurrection, and apostasy. So they are the apostate sons of God, and a cohort of that group is here on earth. Now, that group often gets conflated with demons, but that's there's a there's a a delineation biblically speaking between the disembodied spirits of the nephilim and the very much embodied apostate sons of god and so this is the problem right out right right in the beginning of a conversation like this we have to accept these definitions or we're going to keep talking past each other do you guys accept those

definitions i think we're all in agreement with with all of this so to be honest most of our understanding of this comes from you um your earlier work and even your more current work so yeah no we're in complete agreement here that i i'd say i don't know the fallen angels would be the parents of these demons slash nephilim well not all of them those so what the bible defines

is the devil and his angels are different from the watchers 200 watchers descended in the days of jared now when those beings descended to the earth the devil and his angels these apostate sons of god they were here already they were here so these are two different groups although in my opinion and you don't have to agree with this but in my opinion these are the same these are the same let's put let's use it let's use this term these are the same species the watchers and the devil and his angels they all hail from what i call in my book birthright the elder race from this this angelic civilization therefore they look the same and there's there's i'll deal with another misconception before we get into aliens there's a misconception that the quote-unquote fallen angels have a different appearance than the faithful angels in heaven again that the that the faithful sons of god are beautiful are these regal beings and that the insubordinate apostate sons of god are these grotesque devilish looking beings uh and that's not there's nowhere in scripture that that that suggests that that's the case and you know people use the verse uh the passage about uh satan presenting himself as a minister as an angel of light well the word there's angel which means messenger or minister he's a messenger of light. He presents himself as a good guy when, in fact, he is a bad guy. That's not to say that he metamorphosizes his appearance from something ugly to something beautiful. There's no reason to believe that the sons of God, that the good sons of God, look any different than the bad sons of God. Now, there's a couple of caveats we could it discuss later if you want in regard to their parents but that's just not the case angels as you guys i'm sure are well aware do not have wings And in the biblical context, whenever there's an angel that's introduced into the narrative, they always look like us. Rather, we look like them. In fact, we find out, both in Genesis 6, but then also, more broadly speaking, in the Second Temple literature, especially in the Book of Enoch, that not only do we look similar, but we are reproductively compatible with them. We can procreate. So we're very similar to the angels in regard to our physiology. We're not the same as angels, but we're similar to them. They use technology.

And I think that we can infer that they therefore manufacture technology. the angels are described in various passages in the old testament as arriving to the earth or flying around the earth at the helms of what i would describe as an advanced aerospace vehicle what the bible calls the chariots of god or the chariots of israel the chariots of fire now i think we can all concede that horses don't fly they're not designed to fly. Therefore, chariots don't fly. Therefore, what these Iron Age people are describing is something much more akin to an airplane or an aerospace craft. Angels eat and drink. They do so on several occasions in the Bible, including with Abraham and then with Lot. And I don't think that they eat and drink just for show. I think they eat and drink because they eat and drink in the kingdom of heaven in fact in the song the psalmist says that the children of the children of israel ate the grain of heaven in the wilderness the sustenance of the angels that of course was manna and manna wasn't bread it was grain that was collected and baked into bread and the the israelites ate that bread in the wilderness and for it to take the psalmist literally, then we're talking about grain that is from heaven. It is literally the sustenance

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That the kingdom of heaven and the beings that inhabit it, specifically the sons of God, are not all that different from us. and there's a stark difference between the sons of god and the unclean spirits the evil spirits the demons there's a very there's an important distinction there they are disembodied demons are disembodied and again their origin is exclusively in the antediluvian world they were the these unclean spirits proceeded from the bodies of dead giants and those spirits Thank you. wander the earth as vagabond wraiths bodiless vagabond wraiths and they have all of the desires of the flesh according to the book of enoch they're hungry they're thirsty but they have no flesh through which to fulfill these dire desires to satiate their appetites and often like to compare this to the the first pirates of the caribbean movie in which uh captain barbosa and his crew are are cursed with this mayan curse and it's very much like the curse of the nephilim and in that they are hungry they're thirsty they want to eat barbosa wants to take a bite of the apple but they can't because they're these wraiths their true natures is is uh disallows them to enjoy any kind of food or drink and that is precisely the condition of the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim. So those are important distinctions. Now, there are, of course, embodied Nephilim, I think still in the world, in Afghanistan, for example. Those embodied Nephilim are encountered in the Old Testament in multiple occasions, especially in the land of Canaan, in which you have clans of giants who descend from the Nephilim, the Anakim, for example, who descend from the Nephilim. Those were embodied Nephilim. Those are Nephilim still living and breathing. And one could make the case that any Nephilim at any time when it dies, its spirit departs from its body and is cursed to wander the earth as a disembodied wraith with all the desires of flesh, but with no flesh through which to fulfill these desires. So it's a very torturous condition. so those are once that that's the parameter of those the parameters of this conversation if we're going to use if we're going to invoke these biblical terms from my perspective okay that's

fair um i will disagree that uh angels look just like us the bible number of times you well you said they don't have wings but i know in the bible a number of times it describes them as having wings where sometimes six the sheriff i mean there's multiple passages specifically seraphim

and cherubim but i think timothy alberino is just referring to common angels that don't have wings

like the seraphim those are angels but if we're if we're talking about this uh this vast plural plurality plurality of angels we have to talk about all of them so they're no you're biblical

i'm going to save you i'm going to save you those references you're all of the references with angels having wings are within the context of prophetic iconography, all of them. And scholars are unanimous in their description of angels in regard to them not having wings and looking like us, and they disregard those descriptions which are found within the passages of prophetic utterances, of oracles.

So they disregard the Bible. Okay. No, no, no, no.

So they disregard those descriptions as being literal anatomical descriptions of angels. There's only a couple of them, and they refer to cherubim, seraphim, and then there's a passage in Daniel with these two stork-like beings. All of this is obviously symbolic. The cherubim, the way that they're depicted is clearly symbolic because cherubim are depicted in two different ways. And so if you're going to invoke a cherubim, then you have to tell me which one you're talking about. In one case, the cherubim have four faces, the face of a man, the face of an ox, the face of a lion, and the face of an eagle. And, of course, they have wings and eyes all around. In the other case, they are a composite of four creatures. They have the four parts of a lion, the hind parts of an ox. they have um the the wings of an eagle in the face of a man so which cherubim are we talking about clearly these are symbolic creatures and the these are not anatomical descriptions of literal beings anything that is no i disagree anything that is anything in the in the scriptures that is that is beheld within the context of a vision or a dream because that's what the that's what the the prophecy the prophets when they have these experiences and it's within the prophetic material that you find these the the depictions of wings whenever a prophet is having a prophetic experience he is either dreaming he's either asleep or he is in a trance but in there's not a single occasion not anywhere not anywhere in the bible and not anywhere by the way in any extra biblical texts well let's be more specific not in the book of enoch where a prophet or a patriarch is physically taken to heaven there's that's

the case, even with Enoch in the book of Enoch, he never goes to heaven. He's always dreaming, always in every case. So the prophet is asleep or he is sitting by the river or what have you in a trance. What does that tell you? That tells you that the experience is perceptual, that this individual, be it Isaiah or Ezekiel or any of the prophets, Jeremiah, their experience is happening in a perceptual world. They didn't go anywhere. You could walk up to them, and they would either be laying in their bed completely asleep, you know, in deep-rim sleep. You could poke them. They're right there in their bed. Or they'd be sitting somewhere in a trance. And so they're having a perceptual experience. They're not actually going anywhere. And we know, we would all concede, if you had a dream, if you had a really profound dream, let's say you had a dream last night, it was a very, very profound dream, and so profound that when you woke up this morning, you wondered if you actually had gone somewhere, or if you were just laying in your bed dreaming, and you saw all manner of strange things in your dream. You saw centaurs flying around with wings and fawns and all kinds of mythological creatures and rainbows and all different kinds of symbolic images. When you woke up in the morning, you would not assume that anything that you saw in your dream was literal. You wouldn't do that. You wouldn't go meet your friend at the coffee shop and say, hey, I saw a centaur yesterday. I saw one. It was there. I saw one. These things are real. You would never do that. You would always preface that statement with, last night I had a crazy dream in which I saw these things. So these are perceptual experiences, and the material, the information that is delivered to prophets through a perceptual experience is symbolic. It's meant to convey information, and that is the case with cherubim, that is the case with seraphim, and everything that is beheld within those kinds of perceptual experiences. it is a world of symbolism and it has to be it has to be um interpreted as such or you'll make the mistake of attempting to derive literal interpretations from symbolic iconography from

the ancient near east well to be fair though like it's not just a vision where elisha's servant shows up he's surrounded by the camp of uh the syrian army they look up into the mountains and there's horses and chariots of fire like i agree like if isaiah in chapter six he's seeing these sixth wing seraphim there's flying around they're saying holy holy holy and they bring this uh coal down and put it on his lip i see what you're saying we're like that's like in a vision that potentially those six winged creatures don't exist i don't know that's i think there's maybe some debate on that but i think that's going to take the conversation sideways because what we're really discussing no no i think this is what hold on but it is like the hebrews passage it says be careful entertaining strangers unaware because some have entertained angels and i think that's timothy alberino's point is that they are this elder race that we're so compatible with we look so much like there can even be intermingling of sex but this is the type of angel that we're

talking about is the ones that do look like humans okay but i i do want to make the point because i think it pertains to the overall argument that david is proposing with timothy alberino there's multiple scriptures where they're described in the same way and whether this is an encounter in a dream realm or in a lucid state or waking, which is up for debate. It's still over and over. So we have a couple of testimonial accounts in the Bible itself, which I adhere to firmly. And it's describing these guys as having wings. I have five scriptures here. And we're just talking about just the cherubim. We're not talking about the seraphim as well. By that same logic, then, if we're talking about aliens, grays, most of these encounters that we're going to, I'm sure you're going to produce evidence. Most of these come in states of sleep paralysis, deep sleep, REM sleep. I totally disagree. Oh, well, I don't. I mean, all right. So let's, I think.

We want to go. There was a question that I did have, though, on, you know, just in the nature of the Nephilim. And I know we conventionally describe them as giants. I wonder then if you could surmise it quickly and i know it's a big ask because it's a big topic but how then do you interpret the chimeric creatures that were part of various pantheons like the greek pantheons for example where you have half man half animal gods are these physical entities in your opinion are they a byproduct of uh you know fallen angels or angels that were cast down mating with human beings or

Are these strictly spiritual entities that are not a byproduct of inner species, you know, mingling and are just these things that exist in the spiritual realm?

Well, first, I guess in the first place, I would I would contest the idea that there's a spiritual realm. um but the these composite beings from ancient near eastern and greek mythology are i believe and this isn't going to surprise you symbolic and there's a lot of there's a lot of indication and in fact i would say evidence that they are in fact symbolic now whether or not any of these creatures actually existed whether or not centaurs were real i don't know um well it's a lot of people like to think that these were the result of like a like a watcher copulating with a horse um there is there is an indication it could be interpreted this way from the dead sea scroll book of giants in which there's mention of watchers selecting each of them uh selecting a particular kind of animal to copulate with or you could also interpret that because it's highly fragmented the text you could also interpret that as these angels not copulating with these creatures but engaging in what we would what we would today call cross species genetics now it should be noted that the book of giants there's no there's no way to know if the book of giants is an authentic text that was taken as veritable history by the hebrews certainly the book of enoch was portions of the book of enoch let me be careful they're the earliest portions namely the book of the watchers the historical portion i would also contend the book of parables but which is within first enoch but they're outside of that one reference in the book of giants i'm not convinced that the watchers were producing these chimeric creatures in the antediluvian world. I'm not opposed to the idea. It seems rather fanciful. If you refer to Greek mythology, if you refer to the iconography of the ancient Egyptians and the ancient Near East in general, clearly these creatures are symbolic, just as they are in the Bible. And much of this is astrological. In fact, I would say most of this is astrological. And because we've lost this body of information, we don't think like ancient people do. We don't understand the heavens the way that they did. We miss the astrological meaning behind all of this.

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Well, can I say one thing really quick? Because again, where we're having, I see where we're having this butting of heads. I just described to you four passages.

the bible that describe an angel or a cherubim as having a pretty crazy description you contend that that's only within this uh i don't know i guess you but you're not even using the term spirit realm symbolic you're saying that that's symbolic but it's mentioned four times by different

within the context of of prophetic iconography within a prophetic perceptual experience okay so that's where those references come from and i and i it has to be that way though but i told you there's two different descriptions of cherubim in the bible they're not the same and i was just about to use the cherubim as an example so you take the cherubim and you look at the four faces of the cherubim or if you're reading the verse in which it's a composite of four creatures same four creatures it doesn't matter let's take the the description where the four faces are different so you have you have the face of a man then you have the face of an eagle then you have the face of a lion and then you have the face of an ox okay so is there a correspondence to something in ancient in the in the in the ancient near east in the iconography of the ancient near east do we have a correspondence because the bible was written by people from the ancient near east it was written in that culture to that culture using the symbology of that culture and the ideas from that culture and that's a broad we're broadly speaking of mesopotamia and the eastern mediterranean in general uh the ancient egyptians and the ancient greeks greeks and the persians and so forth that's what i mean when i invoke the ancient near east and the canaanites and within the midst of that the the israelites themselves and remember abraham came from Mesopotamia. That was his culture. So as it pertains to cherubim, we have to ask the question, are cherubim unique to the biblical text? Are they unique to the Bible? The answer is clearly no, they're not. The cherubim are prevalent all over the ancient Near East. You have to this day depictions of cherubim on the ancient walls of Babylon and temples of Babylon. These are ubiquitous across the ancient Near East. They're symbolic of throne guardians. That's what the cherubim represent, not just in the Bible, but in the ancient Near Eastern context, generally speaking. They're throne guardians. That's how they're depicted. Sometimes they're They're depicted as a different composite of creatures, but in many cases, they're literally what the Bible describes in Babylon. And there's some Sumerian depictions of this kind of thing as well. So we have to concede that these creatures are symbolic in the ancient Near East. This is iconography. and in the bible it's very specific in both references to cherubim in the multiple references to cherubim these four composites i mean the composite of these four creatures so when we take a look at the four creatures we realize that there is a correlation to what we call today the

zodiac and when i invoke the zodiac people think immediately that we are now we are now in a pagan arena. Not so. The Hebrews have the Zodiac. They called it the Matzeroth. In fact, were you to go back in time during the time of Christ, if you were to enter a synagogue, many of the synagogues had a depiction of the Zodiac on the wall, which is called the Matzeroth. And the Matzeroth appears in the Bible in several passages, a couple in Job and elsewhere. In fact, there's many passages that reference the signs of the Matzeroth, the signs of the Zodiac, those appear all over the place. And I would contend that the depiction of the cherubim is an invocation of the Zodiac. Why? Because again, you have the face of the man. The face of the man is representative of the sign of Aquarius, which is a man carrying a pitcher of water or pouring out a pitcher of water. That's the sign of Aquarius. That's the man. Then you have the face of the eagle. And by the way, these are the cardinal directions of the zodiac these aren't just random random zodiacal constellations these are the cardinal constellations of the zodiac aquarius is the man the eagle the eagle is scorpio now scorpio most people think scorpio is a scorpion and it is but it's also an eagle it's one of the only it's the only zodiacal constellation the only zodiacal sign that that has a dual aspect it's a scorpion and an eagle you can find it represented as both a scorpion and an eagle in the um in various places throughout the middle throughout the ancient near east so the the face of the eagle is scorpio then you have the face

of the lion. Well, that's Leo. That's the zodiacal constellation of Leo, the house of Leo. Then you have the face of the ox, which is, of course, Taurus. Those are the four cardinal directions of the zodiac. That's not coincidental. That is not coincidental. That is intentional. Furthermore, the cherubim are covered in eyes all around, it says. Well, the word for eyes in, and I don't have in front of me here but the word for eyes see if i can remember if it pops into my brain the hebrew word for eyes is is used interchangeably with the word for stars because the eyes twinkle the eyes glisten like the stars so those words the idea is interchangeable between eyes and stars again your eyes glisten they glean um and so if you if you think of the eyes as stars then if you look at the zodiacal constellations if you look up at the night sky at the at the constellation of leo what is it full of what is that constellation full of stars in other words it's full of eyes these this is a clear indication that we are this is astrological information being conveyed and when you invoke astrological information what you're talking about is time so the the zodiac is a clock, and it's a clock that I could prove from the Bible, was created by God. And we know that the heavenly bodies were created for signs and seasons. The zodiac is very ancient. It goes back to the antediluvian world. I believe the knowledge was given to Adam. And what it does primarily is it calculates cyclic cataclysm. So it's very, very important. The ancients thought of it as the great mill in the sky it is ubiquitous across the world and what we've just we've forgotten this information but it was very well known in the ancient near east so an ancient near eastern astrologer if they were confronted with a with the symbology of a chimeric creature again let's use the uh let's use the cherubim as a reference here they would they would automatically interpret that chimeric creature in astrological terms and they would derive from that interpretation a very uh particular meaning they would never take it literal and and and again because these visions of these creatures are in the bible are of these chimeric creatures are perceived within the context of a dream or a trance in other words this is a visionary world we know that it's symbolic and it has to be unpacked it has to be deciphered decoded there's

no part of your theology that includes the idea of let's say a spiritual realm i saw that you had some contention with that or let's say like a michael heiser's unseen realm where these beings exist in a reality within this spiritual realm these are spiritual beings let's say they don't have to be flesh and blood um some sort of chimeric creature a creature a mix-up of fallen angels and something else do you at all subscribe to that ideology of the unseen realm as as specifically michael heiser puts it um and that these old gods were not just symbolic um maybe they were part symbolic but actual creatures that did exist in a realm that parallels hours or overlays hours um but are actual creatures not just pure um you know metaphor or or symbolism for the zodiac or otherwise no no i would think that the the the cherubim for

example are symbolic of real creatures but not their anatomy is not representative of those creatures rather the cherubim represent i believe the cherubim represent the the princes the sons of god the highest order of sons of god so when you when you let's let's invoke the word watcher uh egregori the watchers in the greek the watchers what the term watcher can be can be thought of as it's this is an occupational descriptor just like the word angel and it can be thought of as a being who watches, obviously, but the word watch or to watch is also synonymous with to watch over or to guard, right? So if you're looking at beings who are watching in the sense that they're watching over, they're guardians, then now you are deriving the same meaning from watcher as you would from cherubim, a throne guardian, based on the iconography of the ancient Near East. So these are the same from my perception.

perspective these are the same thing the cherubim represent watchers and watchers are guardians and what does it mean to be a guardian in the kingdom it's a prince this is the bishop statement at

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princes, it's talking about very high-ranking sons of God who are imbued with authority to govern in the kingdom of heaven now when you invoke a a a spiritual realm you have to define your terms here because heiser i disagree with heiser on this point heiser uh would would invoke a spiritual realm but never defined it except to say that it's a disembodied realm well i don't see any evidence whatsoever that there's a disembodied realm would you prefer the terminology dimension

alternate dimension other dimension it seems like a popular expression within ufology today that these entities come from an alternate dimension or a portal i'm also having a hard

time how how you're completely disregarding that term when i mean like in popular culture today we have means of getting into this extra dimensional realm interdimensional realm uh spiritual realm just through like the means of dmt like joe rogan made this fairly fairly famous people go in there they all experience the same thing what is this where they're going they're going into some kind of under tapestry of of a realm wherever they're going you were

to walk up to a person which i've done go ahead if you were to walk up to a person which i've done who's under the influence of dmt let's say ayahuasca ayahuasca that individual hasn't gone anywhere have they did they go into a different realm or or are they just there you know puking in a bucket or are they did they go somewhere what round spirit goes somewhere

can their spirit go somewhere can their spirit go somewhere like elisha so now now now we're now

we're see what i'm doing is i'm forcing us to define our terms here well if i could just talk

about this passage where is it namen that comes to get healed from elisha he comes from syria he gets told to go dunk in the jordan river and then gehazi runs after him and says hey man actually my master changes mind we do want some of that money and then elisha specifically says my spirit went with you are you are you saying like no that's not that's not something that can happen and if your spirit goes somewhere is that not a spiritual realm this is this is a a

okay this is an important distinction that doesn't mean there's a realm okay so um when you let's go back to the dmt thing because this is a good example so when somebody's tripping on on psilocybin or ayahuasca they're there their bodies they're just like a person just like a prophet who's having a trance right just like you when you're dreaming and you're in deep REM sleep having very very similar experiences when you have profound dreams there's really no difference between a profound dream and somebody tripping on dna

Now, I would say there are some differences, but the experiences are very, very similar. This is like a dreamscape. So obviously, these are perceptual experiences, the person hasn't gone anywhere. And, and to say that their spirit departed and went into some like, different realm is an extrapolation. uh that so you might say spirit i think it's huh you might say spirit scape instead no i don't think that i think it's a perceptual world does your does your spirit go somewhere when you dream does it go to like the dream world does it go to the dream world when you're dreaming

i would say that for lack of a better vocabulary to apply to the situation that's an apt way to describe sometimes yes sometimes no i think there are varying levels of it yeah okay so well first

of all um we know that dreams are product of the brain we know that we can induce dreams we can interrupt dreams dreams are product of the brain you have different kinds of dreams based on different things that are going on in your body chemically speaking um the same thing applies to DMT. The same thing applies to psychedelics. Something is happening in the brain. This is a perceptual world. Now, I will agree that within this perceptual experience, DMTs, dreams are like this too, but especially through DMT, you can make contact with other non-human intelligences in this perceptual environment. But I like to think of it as an internet of consciousness. So just like you and I, we're talking, we're not in the same room. You guys aren't sitting here in my room. I'm not sitting there and you're not here in my office. I'm not there in your studio. But yet here we are interacting. You can hear me and you can see me. me to so so we're having this very interesting interchange even though we're not physically in the same place and we understand that this is happening because of technology basically fundamentally because of electricity right that's the agency through which we are able to do this is electricity well in the same way when people are under the influence of narcotics especially psychedelics prominently especially psychedelics let's put in those terms um although this happens when when people are sometimes you can have a lucid vision where you're where you're not under the influence of anything right so that's why there's a caveat there that when that's happening fasting comes to mind yeah yeah you can have a lucid or or if you're by the way near-death experience or if you're dying of thirst or if you're totally if you're completely dehydrated you start to hallucinate um so you can have these perceptual experiences and when you're in this perceptual mode just like we're communicating over the internet and i'm going to say again especially through the agency of of of psychedelics i think you can plug into something your brain connects to something and it's it's it's what i like to call the internet an internet of consciousness to where other beings are also plugged into this internet of consciousness and and just like we're each plugged into the internet we can communicate well when you plug your psyche into the internet of consciousness you can you then you then become open to communication from other intelligences that are there and that's not a realm this isn't a realm would you guys say

that there's a realm of the internet is it a realm um that that's hard to define i mean maybe a better question would be if it happens exclusively in your brain then how are people having meaningful near-death experiences when they're declared brain dead uh because it's not just it's not

exclusive to the brain there's a mechanism in the brain but the consciousness is outside of the brain

so there is nobody really understands like your spirit consciousness is consciousness is connected

to the body in some way and the near-death experiences which is a different topic but near-death experiences um are are variegated they they they vary wildly based on a person's cultural background based on their own uh religious theological perspectives you know if you're a catholic i i talked to a guy that was dead clinically dead got blown up and you know i think it was iraq um and he's a he's a catholic and he had a very catholic experience where he saw like i forget the name of the statue where um mary is holding jesus that's famous uh carving where mary's holding jesus in her arms and he had an experience very very catholic experience in which he was dead and there he is seeing mary holding jesus and then suddenly he realizes it's him mary's holding him and all the Thank you.

iconography of this experience was, as I said, was Catholic, was very, very Catholic because he was a Catholic. People have all kinds of experiences, near-death experiences, which tells me that these are perceptual experiences based on the person's own cultural background, theological disposition. Sometimes you have an atheist who have a near-death experience and it's like hell, right demons and hell and all this kind of stuff well maybe that person was subconsciously really worried that they that maybe hell did exist or whatever you know what i mean so there's no like near-death experiences it's they're so variegated yes there's some commonalities that people most of the time have a good experience and and this includes by the way atheists most of the time have a good experience of like they see a light, or they're confronted with, or they're met by their loved ones, or some wonderful communication, they receive some wonderful communication from a disembodied voice, or they're in this beautiful place. I mean, and then you have the hellscapes, and then you have everything in between. So I wouldn't use near-death experience to try and bolster the idea that there's a spiritual realm. So do I believe?

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Let's change the definition here, okay? Let's not talk about a spiritual realm because if you're going to invoke a spiritual realm, you have to tell me, first of all, what makes a spiritual realm different than a physical realm so so answer that question first what's the difference what's

it let me grant that there's a spiritual realm at the 50 minute mark uh i i don't think we should risk getting in the weeds of the intangible nature of the spirit any longer uh the nature of this this is great though i mean no it's fantastic but i i recognize that we're dealing with an intangible thing here i think it's wise to move on to uh the more nuts and bolts aspect of what we actually came to talk about which is this uh thing that we're on the cusp of um now the show is called are aliens demons this is a cheeky way of getting into a larger conversation the larger conversation surrounds specifically disclosure that is the thing that i find most fascinating about the things that you have to say uh in this conversation this greater conversation about aliens now the way that i want to set this up and this isn't accusatory this is more asking for clarification we watched your series on this show true legends it's a fantastic documentary um the the true legends uh what's the sub there um the technology of the the technology of the fallen it was actually the second one in particular that stood out to me it was about the vatican and uh throughout that documentary you tom horn and steve quayle do a fantastic job of laying out not only the compelling evidence for giants having created megalithic structures and technology being utilized to create megalithic structures you know given the fitment of the stone.

etc but one of the things that really stuck out was when you were talking about the vatican and the role that it was going to play in a coming disclosure deception we talked about or you talked about on that documentary how the pope was alluding to um baptizing space brethren etc etc um it was either tom quayle or steve uh steve quayle or tom horn who said that it was the great deception that was the language that they use the great deception and one of the things that you personally said was that you were concerned that the antichrist was going to emerge from this deception now where we sit is basically on the cusp of the very thing that you warned about 10 years ago we're sitting here where i would call this for for and it's it's it's cheeky Right. And it's it's it's maybe a caricaturization of what this documentary was. But the age of disclosure feels for all intents and purposes like a government funded disclosure operation. Now, a lot of people have been waiting for alien disclosure, yourself included, myself included, for 20, 30 years, you know, as far back as this phenomenon has been taking place. what is strange to me is now we can get lost in the weeds about well what is a demon is this demonic is this phenomenon you know in opposition to god etc but if you believe that the antichrist is going to emerge which i agree with and i thought your research on the matter was very compelling and it is in alignment with our research along with countless other people

in the space it's not like ours our thoughts are original like you've actually formed an argument that has formed an argument that has now come to argue with you it's like time travel yeah it's

like time travel um and so there have you read birthright yes yes so so there is a time in your studies where you suspect the antichrist is going to come from this disclosure as far as i'm concerned tim it looks to me like age of disclosure is the biggest step in that direction and it is filled with a bunch of people who have worked in the intelligence community and i'm not saying that automatically makes them discredited in fact i don't even necessarily think that's what's happening i don't think that they're feds i see you saying that a lot online a lot of people accusing louis uh alessandro of getting the call is what you said did he get the call did he get

the call i wasn't referring to alessandro in that way um i was referring to myself people accused me

of having gotten the call i was actually looking at your twitter just the other day it was a flippant thing that you said to somebody but somebody was criticizing alessandro and and you said um jokingly oh do you think that he got the call oh okay yeah which is a fair criticism right because that doesn't mean anything got the call from who are we talking about the jews israel the vatican what are we talking about that's fine but to put it in the words of either steve quail or tom horn this is the great deception and i find that it is higher likelihood that the people that are involved in you know parading this thing around are themselves deceived are meaning well just like the people that you say uh using the language of demons or demonic to describe this phenomenon mean well but are misguided i think a lot of these people that are in this space mean well but are misguided so what happened in this time what sort of information did you gather that doesn't make you um a guy who's been in this space for a long time sound the alarm sound the alarm because to me it looks like the enemy is almost on the horizon this great deception that leads to the antichrist is at our doorstep closer than it's ever been surely and it's got more eyes on it than ever and the narrative is being rolled out and formed and it's also being packaged in a way where everybody has their talking points what are your talking points i'm uh in the military for 28 years i saw these things i've been in the air force for 30 years i saw these things i've been in the navy for x amount of years i saw these things and we're getting our talking point. We're getting our repetition. It's beyond me or anybody that listens to this show to trust the experts. And I know that you say that's an ironic place to be because if the government did come out and tell us the truth, we simply wouldn't be able to believe them because of the distrust that we have for them. So yeah, maybe that's a discussion to have,

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I imagine if I was a guy that truly was convicted in this idea that the Antichrist would come from this system, I would be sounding the alarm. What is it that you were introduced to that changed that tone?

What would you be sounding the alarm about?

I would sound the alarm about the nature of listening to experts talk about disclosure, experts like, let's say, the Vatican, for example, and that you should have a very healthy distrust for anything that presents itself as this alien phenomenon and that really your eyes and your heart should be focused on Jesus Christ.

Okay, but let's talk about the nature of the deception that you're referencing. First of all, my thoughts on this topic specifically, I don't believe I would disagree with anything I said in those films. That was a long time ago. And I have evolved, my perception has evolved, my perspective rather, on certain topics. But all of that is laid out in Birthright. That's why I asked you if you read Birthright, because in Birthright, I talk about precisely what you're referencing, that the Antichrist, I believe, is going to come and be received. He's going to come, I believe, at the helm of an aerospace vehicle and will be received as an extraterrestrial savior and that and that he will be received by Christians as the second coming of Christ. he's going to be an imposter he'll be received by every major world religion as their their christ figure and he's going to deliver us in my estimation this is just a theory from the gray alien threat that's what i write birthright and or perhaps perhaps and or a some kind of a cataclysmic event, an asteroid or something like that. And so the deception that I talk about in regard to this topic is the presentation of this imposter, this person who is claiming to be Christ, but who is, from my perspective, the seed of Satan, the offspring, the son of satan who will present himself to the world as our savior yes i believe that the vatican is quietly especially the jesuits quietly crafting the the quietly building the theological substrate the foundation to receive our alien saviors and i believe that those alien saviors in contrast to gray aliens, which of course are, are ugly little exotic beings. The saviors that the world will receive with open arms are going to be, are going to look like us, are going to look like what the, in ufology are called the, the Pleiadians or the Nordics. And this makes a lot of sense to me so none of that has changed my perspective on none of none of that has changed

so just to clarify because i got lost a little bit there you're saying that um you expect this savior that will be antichrist or the antichrist to uh come from this camp this tall nords this pleiadians uh and that they're going to defeat this threat that is the gray aliens is that

i suspect that that's true i don't know that that's true for sure i suspect that something like that is going to play out. Nobody knows exactly where all of this is headed, except to say that it's headed to Armageddon. Ultimately, this culminates in war with God. That's the culmination of the book Birthright, and surely that's where all of this is headed. Now, we have to get into the particulars.

framed what i believe the deception is the deception clearly and by the way the great deception is is is precisely that it's going to revolve around this person that shows up in the world and i don't think it's just gonna be a political figure who presents himself as the son of god as the christ but he will be anti-christ and he will be an opposition to christ and to his people that's the deception that's the great deception and people will follow him so this all hinges on the deception itself hinges on jesus's words to his question the most important question posed in the bible cover to cover this is this is unquestionably the most important question posed and it's jesus talking to his disciples and he says who do men say that i am and they say well some say you're elijah some say you're the prophet but jesus asks them who do you say you say that i am and peter says you are the messiah the son of god and then jesus said blessed are you simon barjona for flesh and blood have not revealed this to you but my father who is in heaven and then he says on this rock i will build my church and of course the rock that he's talking about is the revelation of who he is that's the rock that the church is built on so what is the lie what is the deception it's the antithesis of that the deception is an imposter who comes in the name of christ who presents himself as the savior the son of god and of course his god is the dragon okay so what you're going to have is you're going to have an inversion of the gospel It's Luciferianism. It's the Luciferian lie that Yahweh was a tyrant who enslaved mankind, and that it was actually this figure we call Lucifer, which is actually a misnomer from the Vulgate, this being that the Bible defines as the devil and Satan, who is in Eden, the Garden of God with Eve, that that being will be presented as the real benefactor of mankind. This is the Promethean benefactor of mankind. This is the good guy. He's pro-humanity. He wanted to, he enlightens us. He breaks the shackles of Yahweh and liberates mankind. That's the lie. His son, I believe his son, his hybrid son, will be presented in the place of Christ. That's what antichrist means, by the way, in the place of Christ. That's the lie. That's the deception. And I've always maintained that, and I maintain that to this day. Now back up, and let's kind of reverse engineer

your thoughts here. So you have to define what you believe specifically is the deception, because if you are here to say that the deception is crash retrievals and gray aliens i'm going to

disagree with you crash i never claimed that it was the great deception i said that uh tom horn or steve quail said that but i think that you've laid that out really well and from this position we can ask a couple of follow-up questions now um i would say that i agree that gnostic view yalda bow off the demi urge being the you know imprisoner of the planet and all this other stuff I can see that that is the way that this is more than likely going to unfold. But what I'm curious about is I watch you, in many cases, push back against anybody who will say something like aliens are demons or aliens are demonic. But from what you just described, from the Pleiadians will likely emerge this Antichrist savior figure after they destroy the Greys. Where in this body of ETs or NHIs or any of the rebranding that we've given them recently, is there something worthy of giving pause to that statement? That statement being, this is demonic or these are demons. couldn't it be said that if you dismiss the aliens as of that ilk then you're pretty well safe

um say from what i mean acknowledging a large deception acknowledging reality doesn't open you up to deception so uh you the the whether or not you're going to fall for the deception the great deception is going to depend on how deep your roots go in the gospel of christ and if if you are if you are loyal to the king of heaven or disloyal that's what the deception is going to hinge on it's not going to be uh you're not going to be tricked into anything it's going to be a test of loyalty and so i'm not worried about being deceived

and i'm not worried about you're not worried about being perceived but you're you're

occupation is such that you have uh this is what you do you have the time and you can exert the effort into looking into all of the greater details and nuances of this phenomenon the average person doesn't have that the average person is working at nine to five the world will be subjected to this large deception if the antichrist is going to come from the pleiadians if the grays are going to be defeated and they're going to look like heroes perhaps it is better for the average person to just look at the entire phenomenon and go this is not of god this is demonic this is a distraction from my walk with jesus christ and therefore i'm going to focus on that instead of whatever's happening here and i'm going to reject that so when the pleiadians do come down to this person who doesn't is not equipped who who really could be i wonder your body of knowledge uh is representative of what percentage of the population meaning who else has access it doesn't matter it

doesn't matter all all you have to be knowledgeable of is the gospel of christ exactly so so if you

were to say i love christ and these things are demons what is the even the sense in pushing

back against that well because first of all there's no advantage this is the bishop statement

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Two believing fantasies. We have to get very specific here. So people say this is all a deception. That doesn't mean anything. That's such an ambiguous phrase. It literally means nothing. What precisely is the deception? So let's be specific here. We have these whistleblowers, including Lou Elizondo, David Grush, and the others who've come forward, and what they're saying, this is what they're saying uniformly, what they're saying is that there is an illegal, legacy, crash retrieval program in which elements of the United States government, the military industrial complex with aerospace contractors, private contracting companies, have been and are actively recovering advanced aerospace craft of non-human design and, in association with these craft, the pilots, non-human biological pilots who crash and die. And that this technology has been sequestered into these aerospace companies and illegally hidden from oversight from Congress. So there's no oversight. The program is real. And there is no oversight by Congress and therefore by extension the American people. and that to some extent the situation is out of control and that elements of this uh elements of this cover-up are now rogue okay that's what these guys are saying that's that's what they're saying so tell me they're not saying that hey these are our saviors they're not saying that the the aliens are our gods they're not saying that that uh that the bible is false they're not there's no messaging involved here all these guys are saying the ones that have have raised their hand and under oath have testified to congress all they're saying are the things that i just laid out so now tell me forget about i don't care about their backgrounds i don't care about fake photos and things like this let's just focus on what they're saying. What is the deception here? What's the disinformation? What's the

deception? Where's the misdirect here? It's actually very subtle. So if you're creating a documentary, let's say in the case of Age of Disclosure, and you're exploring this phenomenon with no consideration, and especially none given to the general public who's viewing it, of the supernatural of jesus christ of god of of angels of any of these things if you're not exploring that that's one thing but then to go a measure further and make it so that the only mention of let's say christianity or jesus is an illusion made to the fact that there's an old guard within the pentagon who has stopped progress on this very important topic because of their superstitious beliefs and them labeling it demonic so the only thing that you've done is make a gigantic film that hundreds of thousands maybe millions of people will see and the only mention that you saw fit to inject of something christ adjacent was a dismissal of the notion and in fact saying that anybody who did express that notion stood in the way of progress something that i've actually heard you say on your review of age of disclosure you echo those exact same sentiments you said that those people who said demonic and demons were misguided which is the exact same thing that was said on that maybe a little bit more gracious because misguided is nice on that documentary they just said those people stood in the way of progress so what you've done now is to the average person who's not well researched who doesn't have the analytical mind who doesn't even have the time let's be honest nine to fives and all that you've subliminally planted a little seed in their head and that is religious people have stood in the way of progress because of things like labeling this demonic or of the devil which means that anytime they hear that in the future they're going to scoff and recoil at that and let's be honest what this leads to according to the new age and a multitude of other things including the bible is a falling away and a consolidation of the religions one world religion under this new umbrella so you have to actually get christianity out of the way so it's not um unremarkable or insignificant that in this gigantic documentary the only thing they saw fit to do was dismiss it in the most

flippant ways they're not christians a lot of these guys are christians they're they're not

approaching this phenomenon without they're not approaching this without being rooted in jesus christ as we just said rooted in the gospel rooted in the gospel is what you said right this is the biggest mouthpiece on this phenomenon are not rooted in the bible well some of them

some of them aren't christians so um so this isn't a theological documentary they're not coming at this topic from a theological perspective they're coming at this fundamental mistake not necessarily they're coming at this topic from just a nuts and bolts perspective this is what we know to be true this is what we can testify uh as what we would describe as a set of facts and we believe that these beings are real they're non-human and at some level they represent a national security threat that's that's that's what the that's how i would summarize that

film now can i pose to you a simple question then if being rooted in the gospel is the most important aspect of this entire thing how is it absent from this discussion who cares what they

say this is the job of people like me and and like you guys who remind believers that they need to be rooted in the gospel of christ that that's the anchor but i'm not here i'm not going to deny have you done that though on your shows on the daily wire i mean this is this is kind of many Many times, yes. Many times. I say this all the time. But we have to acknowledge the reality, the facts, okay? There is a crash retrieval program. They are recovering non-human technology and non-human bodies. There's nothing deceptive about that, except for the fact that elements of the military-industrial complex are trying to hide that from the American people. Now, if you have – by the way, there's opposing Christian factions here, okay? So this is much more complex than you think. There are – there's a faction of Christians inside of government, and I would describe them as evangelicals.

Christians, who are opposed to telling the American people anything about this phenomenon. Are you alluding to the Collins elite? The so-called Collins elite. I don't know if they would consider themselves that or how well organized they are. This faction exists. Again, I don't know how well organized they are, but they're there. They're evangelical Christians. And then you have another faction of Christians who want to tell the American people the truth and who are trying to get to the bottom of this thing and bring these programs back under the jurisdiction, the control of Congress, the oversight of Congress, okay? Because a lot of what's being done is, I will use the word demonic, and is contrary to the Constitution and so forth. So there's believers on both sides of this thing. It's not over here, of the Christians are telling us it's demons, and everybody who's saying, no, we need to tell the truth about this phenomenon, we need to tell the American people what's going on, that those are just atheistic people who are not coming at this from a Christian perspective. That's simply not true. In fact, the congressmen who are most active in this arena, and by the way, their main goal is to do two things to tell the american people the truth of much of the as much of the truth as they can without compromising national security and then to bring these illegal programs back under the control of the american people of congress and and also of the executive branch because the things that are happening in these programs um some of the things that have been happening in these programs are evil. I mean, you're talking about experimentation on human beings. You're talking about this advanced technology falling into the hands of extremely nefarious groups who are using it to do terrible things. And so there's a lot of crime that's being covered up. The most terrible things imaginable have been done in the service of acquiring reverse engineering this technology and keeping it secret from the American people. I mean, And the elements of the government and these aerospace contractors have murdered people to keep this thing secret. See, that's what I would call evil. That's nefarious. Okay? And the people that I work with at the governmental level are believers, are Christians, many of them, most of them.

And they want to bring this monster, this octopus that's grown in darkness under the cover of these unacknowledged special access programs that have been developed in the underground, the deep underground military bases, outside of the jurisdiction of the executive branch and Congress. that's what they want to remedy. And I applaud that effort. That's a noble effort. And I think that hiding the truth from people, hiding the truth from the American people, I don't think there's anything righteous or just or noble about that. I'm completely opposed to that. So the fact that we have crash retrievals, that we have alien bodies, and I use the word alien very intentionally because they're not us they're not they're not us okay these bodies and as i defined earlier demons are the disembodied spirits of dead giants of nephilim okay they're disembodied these are physical biological beings who crash and die so are they demonic well that's a different question demonic simply means nefarious fiendish maniacal and so forth are they demonic well then you'd have to let's define who we're talking about if we're talking about gray aliens i believe personally that gray aliens are demonic but i don't i would never concede that they are demons those are two different ideas setting aside the western perception of demons and just constraining ourselves to the uh hebraic cosmological perspective perspective of demons no they're not they're clearly not demons but what they're doing is nefarious Because of the abduction program and the breeding program and the generation of advanced human-alien hybrids, I think that their goal is what Dr. David Jacobs describes as planetary acquisition. So are they demonic? Yes. Do they constitute a national security threat? Unequivocally, is the- Do you agree with the idea that they're into planetary acquisition? What's that? Are you subscribed to the idea that they are after planetary acquisition?

yes gray aliens yes absolutely something i want to ask you is um you so you know you've done a lot

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The Home Depot. We have a pro for that. I've only got a small view into, you know, another platform you have access to right now, which is Twitter. And I was curious as you were talking, this idea of being grounded in the gospel, I think is incredibly important. I think you're right over the target when you say that. Being grounded in the gospel is what is going to get you through this. And so I thought, surely there must be mention of the gospel. You must have taken to your ex to talk about the gospel within the context of being grounded in it in order to not be deceived or to understand or get through this period and be in alignment with God and stay on this narrow path and have salvation through Christ and not be twisted up in this entire multifaceted thing that we've got here, I got to admit, I'm looking at this and you've got one mention of extraterrestrial life in the same breath as the gospel of Christ. And all it is, is to say the curiosity of the existence of the extraterrestrial life does not detract from the gospel of Christ. Now that's fine. You've got a lot of different platforms where you are doing this thing what gets me is if i type in the word demonic gray or or demons into your twitter and do a keyword search you have spent a lot of time a lot of time especially in stark comparison to what i've just laid out here knocking people off of this position and it's just strange to me because aliens aren't demons no and and i i know that well what are gray aliens great we're not I'm not going to agree on this. We've gone back and forth in this. I'm actually not interested in hashing that out as much as to say on this show that I believe that there's a high likelihood they're a biomechanical husk that is basically an automaton meant to carry out tasks in a physical realm where these things otherwise would not be able to engage with us physically. And so it's a limited form of technology that they can interface with. I know we've had on a previous show, you said, and that comes predominantly from from Karen Wilkinson. She's got a firsthand experience with these things. And her testimony has contributed significantly.

Right. But was she sleeping?

Well, I mean, she wouldn't maintain that she was sleeping, considering there was a pregnancy and, you know, you're talking about alien abduction. No, no, alien abduction. Right, but that's a separate thing. I don't want to go off on that. I don't want to go off on that tangent. I want to say it is strange to me, and there's a multitude of ways you can defend it, and maybe it's my own bias, that you would spend all this time fighting people down off the hill that these things are demons or demonic, but very, very, very little, little to no mention on your own Twitter of the gospel of Christ being what you need to be grounded in. as a matter of fact that's not what you say at all um on your twitter i gotta ask you i'm sorry but that's disingenuous i'm doing a keyword search right now who cares about what i say

on twitter i said i spent a great deal of time you have a multitude of ways publications in interviews with people on my youtube channel um you would imagine though it is important what you

say on your twitter right i mean if you're going to go as far as to tell people it's not demons or

it's not demonic well it's not demons why would i why would i why would i contradict myself it's not a fair question i would say why wouldn't you spend time

telling people to be grounded in the gospel of Christ in order to not be whipped up in this

deception? Well, because oftentimes what I'm responding to are people who are attempting to say that the whole thing is a deception, that what the whistleblowers are saying, that's all just a deception, which is absurd. And it's not true. What the whistleblowers are saying is true. And we should be behind, we should be applauding their efforts to expose these illegal programs and to bring these programs back under the jurisdiction of the government, back under the jurisdiction of Congress and the executive branch specifically. That's a noble enterprise. These guys know that very grave crimes, very grievous crimes have been committed under the shadow of darkness because these programs are out of sight, out of mind. Literally, some of them are being developed miles beneath the surface of the earth in these deep underground military bases. The most heinous things have been done. OK, children have been taken forcefully and abducted and inducted into these programs for various things, for various reasons. And this gets really dark, by the way. And so these guys are coming forward saying, you've been lied to, this program exists, it's existed for a long time, we're reverse engineering technology and have been, and there's no oversight. okay now that is a noble endeavor and so i defend that endeavor and i defend the congressmen and women who are working to get oversight over this situation and to inform the american people of the truth okay that is a noble enterprise and so when people look at that demonic and a deception that's disingenuous and it's ignorant and it's not true there's there's nothing deceptive about the declaration that we have a reverse engineering program a legacy program that goes back decades we have been recovering and attempting to reverse engineer non-human technology and have been studying the bodies that's where this thing begins okay but the rabbit hole the rabbit hole goes deep and it's dark and people like lou elizondo i know lulu's a friend a friend of mine And people like Lou and others would acknowledge immediately. Now, they don't say this publicly because they're not theological people. They don't do what I do. But privately, they will tell you that this is demonic, that it's nefarious, that it's fiendish, that it's maniacal. This is demonic, much of it. Not all of it, much of it. And I say not all of it because, as I said in the beginning, that's why I went through what I did in the beginning of this conversation.

You know, we have to differentiate between the bad guys and the good guys. And the good guys here, the good guys being the angels, the good guys being the loyal sons of God who use the same kind of technology in this mix up.

Do you have any examples? And I know this is speculation or, you know, it's once again, the intangible. But where in the alien phenomenon would you point to as a likelihood for the good side of things?

Well, I would, I would, I mean, that's, one can only speculate, but I have a good friend of mine named Gary Stearman, who maybe you guys are familiar with Gary Stearman over at Prophecy Watchers. Gary's a Bible teacher, very good friend of mine. And Gary had an encounter when he was a young man, he was flying a Cessna, and he was delivering this Cessna to, I think he was flying from, I believe he was flying from Lubbock to Dallas, I think is what the route was. And without going to all the details, he had an encounter with, he had a malfunction in his airplane and he lost his, the electronics went out on him and he was in some serious trouble. And, and again, without going into all the details, he had an encounter with a craft that appeared, a walnut shaped craft that appeared and on the horizon. And then suddenly it was flying parallel to his craft, to his aircraft. And these beings were emanating. They communicated with him in his cabin. And it was kind of a humorous communication. And long story short, they saved his life and delivered him to the airport. He landed his plane. And from that experience, it was because of that experience that he decided to become a Bible teacher and a pastor. that was the catalyst that caused that to happen and he will tell you to this day he will tell you he believes that those were angels who saved his life now i believe that angels use

This advanced technology, that this technology comes from an angelic civilization, which we call the kingdom of heaven, that these beings use and wield technology, as I said in the beginning. So just because you see some advanced technology and non-human beings in play doesn't necessarily mean that the beings are nefarious. Technology has no allegiance. A UFO can be no more evil than your truck, than your Ford truck, okay? it's the beings that are piloting the craft and and we can determine what if they're nefarious based on their actions and if they're counter to the gospel of christ based on their messages that's it so i don't look at like the ufo phenomenon is demonic no it's just technology i'm interested in the in the in what the beings who pilot these craft are doing and are saying that's what's important to me that's what's important to me that's how you determine whether

or not these things are are good or bad even that wouldn't be necessarily a great um i mean it's what we have we're limited in our ability to assess these things but even in the context of the pleiadians who would save us from grace that would surely seem like a good deed um until they

would be deceived by that until until their leader claims to be christ and right and directs worship

to the enemy of god to the dragon yeah but surely there would be a number of things short of claiming to be christ that could happen before we even get to that point so what are angels real for example uh when people get abducted um there's often uh an entire array of entities so the grays will be there the pleiadians or the tall whites will be there insectoids and things of that nature um but oftentimes the Pleiadians will be soothing and will come off as loving. And they actually seem to have maybe technology or a psychic ability to generate within us a feeling of love and happiness

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another one yeah who was filled with this divine feminine spirit uh that seemed to be love all encompassing love um while he's doing this uap egg retrieval situation and so um our i would say our assessment, emotional or otherwise, on this matter is not enough. In fact, the Bible calls us to test the spirits, although you don't necessarily believe that this is spiritual. You believe that

these are physical entities. It doesn't mean test the spirits like because they're wraiths, they're disembodied wraiths. It means test what's being said. Test the message that's being delivered. That's what you test. I mean, you don't sound like Earthbusters where you have some sort of a meter that tests to see if there's evil spirits around. It's the messaging that you have to evaluate based on the truth of the gospel of Christ. That's what test the spirits means. And in fact, the New Testament is specific that it's a question of allegiance. Do you believe that Jesus Christ come in the flesh? Did he die on the cross? Did he rise? Is Jesus who he claims to be that's the test um not whether or not you know they're flying around on saucers or whatever or making people feel good who cares about any of that that's inconsequential to me totally inconsequential yes it's true that there's just because beings look beautiful and present themselves this is this is satan presenting himself as an angel of light as a messenger of light and truth and goodness sure of course that happens that's that's deception and it happens during abductions now.

it is not actually uncommon. I mean, rather, it is not common for abductees to encounter Nordics, the Pleiadians, during abduction episodes. It's actually uncommon. It does happen sometimes, but it's actually quite uncommon. Usually abductees only encounter the greys and the insectilids, and the greys are most prominent. And you have to understand, if you're going to wade into the realm of alien abduction, abductees are physically abducted. they're physically they're they're physically on alien vessels they're not having a dmt experience it's not sleep paralysis it's not a near-death experience they're literally taken and from their bed say and then they find themselves laying on table um on an alien craft naked sometimes with a lot of other abductees and the gray aliens the beings that we call the grays with the large um bulbous heads in the in the almond shaped eyes who are usually diminutive in stature those are the worker bees of this program they're probably like you i would agree with your assessment of the grace that there's some sort of a biomechanical um uh some sort of a biomechanical construct although they do seem to have their own personality so i wouldn't say that they're just artificial intelligence or something like that most likely they're they're they're cybernetic clones, I think is the way I would describe them. And they're not in, they're not in charge of the operation. The, the, the creatures that are in charge of the operation are altogether more exotic than the greys. Those are the insectilins. They are clearly the managers of the abduction program. Now, whether or not the, the, the Pleiadians are involved or, or if what people are seeing are human alien hybrids, who knows? I don't know. I mean, I do suspect that

on some level the nordics are involved any of this right to say that it it it rarely happens

or it happens often that the aliens are present oh no there's a there's a voluminous data on alien abduction voluminous it's scientific and it's conclusive we know it's hard to say it should be

conclusive when only so many years ago it was basically taboo and the laughingstock of the

scientific community well what are you what are you referencing here have you familiarized yourself

with the with the material yeah actually i was actually speaking to karen wilkinson recently

who has a plethora of these experiences but that's one person i mean there's there's a lot of uh

material like you said there is a voluminous body of um abductee victims out there uh who

are sharing all these experiences conclusive data related to the abduction phenomenon like we know what alien abduction is conclusive data is conclusive data like government approved data and i don't care about government approved that i'm talking about data that corresponds to reality as it pertains to the phenomenon and the testimony of millions of abductees so the the data comes from um competent abduction researchers especially those of the past you know it began a lot of this began with john dr john mack whose conclusions i disagree with he was he was approaching this whole thing from a psychological perspective, but he kind of laid a foundation for abduction research, and he did some good work. But then you have people like Bud Hopkins, who was an excellent abduction researcher. You had Dr. Carla Turner, who was herself an abductee, and her family did phenomenal research into the topic. And then, of course, Dr. David Jacobs, among others. And the data is conclusive. And when you take the body of data, and by the way, I talk to abductees all the time who come to me, most of whom are Christians, by the way, who come to me and all of their experiences are consistent what everything i'm told is completely consistent with the data now the abduction is a field of ufology this is the field where you have the most evidence by far a vacation rental should come with support not surprises that's

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Abductees are physically missing when they're abducted. Their family members... years.

are sometimes frantically are looking for them police have been called search teams have been dispatched to try and find these people uh so abductees are physically missing from the point

of abduction when they go up what's that but not every time some people have all of the exact same experiences but never actually seem to have left their physical that's not an alien abduction that's not so it has all the exact same elements uh minus you could have a dream about alien abduction and never have been abducted. Well, if you don't believe in the spiritual realm, then

yeah, who cares? No, no, no, no. Look, look, alien abduction is not a spiritual experience. It's a physical experience. Women are abducted, for example, they're laid out on the tables, they have all kinds of gynecological procedures done, they have their eggs are extracted, they're, they're, there's some sort of exotic component added to the egg in vitro, then that zygote, that hybrid zygote is implanted into their womb even if the woman doesn't have a womb there's an extra uteral implantation then the women are brought back and these the fetus develops in their womb and they're they're re-abducted before they start to show sometime around the three-month period or before the three-month period they're taken back onto the ship now the fetus is extracted and put into a gestation tank to complete its development this is how women in the abduction program are used continually and it doesn't even matter if the woman can't have babies in the real life if she can't if she's if she can't get pregnant the the grays can still impregnate her she still carries the fetus and it's still extracted before she shows sometimes women uh are abducted and they have fetuses implanted or rather zygotes implanted fetuses grow in their wombs these women are virgins they've never had sex and they go to their gynecologist and the gynecologist says well you're pregnant and they don't believe them they think that they're lying that they that they didn't have sexual intercourse and then the women sometimes contemplate an abortion and the grays know they come they re-abduct her and they extract the fetus this happens routinely routinely men are abducted and their sperm is taken and very and it's not just that eggs are taken from them and a sperm is taken from them there's all kinds of things that happen men and women are are made to have sexual intercourse on board the craft often this is why so many abductees don't come forward with their stories because you can imagine if you're married happily married and you're holding this secret that you know you had sex with another woman on a on a alien vessel although it was not intentional although it was against your will that's a very sensitive topic and besides that abductees are implanted with screen memories very few abductees have conscious recall of the events of the abduction episode rather when they try to remember they're presented with false memories called screen memories which are implanted into their brains during the abduction episode and this is what's called this is what abduction researchers refer to as mind scan or or dr jacobs calls it neural engagement in which the grays or the insectilins put their face like basically touching the abductees face and they look into their eyes and they implant memories and they conceal the real memories of the of the event behind a firewall

a firewall this feels very similar to the um you know sons of god coming into the daughters of man making a hybridization program but if you are looking at the events in the bible as um symbolic and not actually a physical event that takes place nobody's actually seeing these things well in the let's frame it in the way that we talked about at the top of the show when we're talking about angelic beings and things of that nature um and then this is exclusively a physical phenomenon well so is that i can see why there is uh a basically a disagreement between us because i would say that these things both in in the biblical sense and in the modern day alien abduction sense um are spiritual and are physical and are reiterations this is a repackaging of the

same thing that happened all those ages ago you just you just said nothing our physical our spiritual a lot of what you did here i mean no no listen so so the watchers descending to the earth and copulating with human women that's all physical that's not some spiritual thing that's a physical thing the what by the way the first cause of the watchers sin of the watchers rebellion was lust according to the book of enoch and also genesis 6 they lusted after the daughters of men that's a physical impulse now you you if you're how do you explain lust without without the biological equipment i mean you how could how does it how does an ethereal spiritual being lust after a physical woman they lusted and then they descended to the earth they took wives and they copulated, they had sexual intercourse with these women. saying that this is spiritual or symbolic that's a matter of history it was a matter of history to the jews that they in within the historical narrative of the ancient hebrews that was a historical fact that that happened i would never say that that was symbolic absolutely not that's not something that happened within the context of a perceptual experience of a of a of a dream or or trance that's something that actually pose the question to get us back on track would that also

Sorry, would that also be historical fact across like mythologies, pantheons, Greek culture, things like that. But then they're also creating demigods, weird demigod, hybrid creatures. That's fake.

Or symbolic. That's fake. No, no, no, no.

So, so the, the, the, there's a common root, right? So there's, there's a, there's a, a, a foundational story that has given rise to all of a lot of mythology with these among these other cultures. But the fundamental principles of this common story are there, that the gods descended to the earth, that they cohabited with human beings, they copulated with human women, and they progenerated a race of hybrid demigods. That's a historical narrative across the board. Now, various cultures interpret this in various ways. The Hebrews are really the only ones who view this as negative, that this was a dystopian nightmare, that the gods who descended to the earth were in rebellion against the most high God, that the knowledge that they distributed to human beings corrupted the human race and led to the cataclysm of the flood. Now, in the other cultures, they have the inverse because they're Luciferian. They're coming from a Luciferian theological perspective in which the gods that descended were the good guys. And that they gave mankind, they gave this forbidden knowledge to mankind because they were benefactors of mankind. and they they are the ones that and if you go i mean if you mix this in with ancient astronaut theory uh then these gods created us and and so forth so so that's that's a very anti-biblical perspective which the pagan nations had so i don't really care what they say in their mythologies if you're coming at this from a biblical perspective then we're talking about the the The cosmological, historical narrative of the Hebrews, which casts these gods as insubordinate sons of God, i.e. watchers who descended to the earth and physically engaged with human women, physically copulated with human women. So there's nothing symbolic here at all. This isn't in the context of a prophetic perceptual experience. This is history. and in the same way that the alien abduction is not in the context of a of a perceptual experience it's not it's not a near-death experience it's not sleep paralysis it's not uh out of an out-of-body experience it is in the same way extremely utterly physical everything about it is physical now now there are some perceptual elements again false memories that are implanted into your brain So abductees that can have some conscious recall of an abduction event, often remember, are often recalling false memories. And so you have all manner of wacky things in there, all kinds of like, based on their background, much like a near-death experience, based on their cultural or religious background.

You know, they'll say that, oh, I was, I, these beautiful beings showed up in my room, they were beings of light. And, and they were, and they were giving me a message about, you know, how, how I need to reach a higher spiritual vibration or something like that, if you're, if you're coming from the new age, when in reality, what actually happened was gray aliens showed up and abducted that person. And they were subjected to the to the typical procedures on board the alien vessel. That's the abduction phenomenon. It is utterly physical.

What do you think about the notion, if someone were to say the alien phenomenon and its hybridization elements is the same thing and is a rebranding, a long-form deception, mixing up, let's say, the characters, the visage, things of that nature, but is at its core the exact same thing? I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. Perpetrated by the same perpetrators.

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that, although I don't believe that the Watchers are gray aliens. And I don't believe that the Insectulans are gray aliens. Now, are there are there let's say you have the Insectulans who are clearly managing the program. And for those who don't know the difference.

What makes you say that they're clearly managing the program? I'm just curious.

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They're the ones in charge on board the craft.

They have the clipboards.

Oh, no, they have the capes. Literally, they wear capes. They wear capes? I didn't know they wear capes. With high collars. And they are the managers of the program. They're clearly in charge. I think they manufacture the grays, the little grays. um so there and i would and i would describe them as the organic biological species the insectilines um now these are the mantid beings that you know insectiline is is a is a term that was uh that was created by dr david jacobs um now is it possible that above the insectilines that the architects of this entire thing are quote unquote fallen angels okay i got no problem with that that's a distinct possibility that's a distinct possibility now that doesn't mean that the gray aliens are demons they're not disembodied spirits of dead giants and i don't believe they're meat suits by the way um for many reasons uh it doesn't make any logical sense that the greys or meat suits. Look, not everything has to be a fallen angel, an angel, a fallen angel, or a demon, okay? That's not the only things that exist in the universe. God doesn't have to tell us about everything that exists. He is under no obligation to tell us anything at all,

actually. Would you say that the categories could be twofold, or is there a third, meaning in alignment with God, in opposition to God, or is there a neutral in all this? And can it be

neutral on the topic of God? That's a really good question. The Bible seems to suggest that there are neutral factions. There's a verse, and I'm trying to remember where it is, where miros is invoked and and and and curse miros and the and the inhabitants thereof because they did not come to aid the lord to aid the lord against the mighty okay so this sounds like a like a switzerland faction that's kind of like no we're not going to get involved here and and and who is the lord being aided why does the lord need aid against the mighty so i think that this is invoking a war, a conflict that took place in a pre-Adamic context. Of course, I go through all of this in my book Birthright, and that it was factional. There were factions. There was obviously the great rebel, the dragon, who engaged in an insurrection against the king of heaven, the kingdom of heaven, and he drew into his rebellion other actors who aligned themselves with him against the kingdom of heaven. They were the minority, but there was a massive conflict. I think that that conflict led to the obliteration of a planet called Rahab in the Bible, and that this, again, this reference to Miros, and by the way, this is what some Jewish commentators believe as well, not that I really care what Jewish commentators think, but I find it interesting. Some Jewish commentators believe that Miros was a planet and it was inhabited, interestingly enough, I'm trying to remember the specific ancient Jewish writing where they say this. It's in my book. Interestingly enough, they believe that Miros was inhabited by beings of intellect who were scientific, who were profoundly intellectual, but they didn't have like human empathy. They weren't like us. Well, that sounds like gray aliens to me, but I don't know if that's the case. But yeah, it's certainly possible that there are all kinds of factions out there in the universe. And the question is, in regard to people say, well, how does that fit in the Bible? Well, it's very simple. It's allegiance.

What is your allegiance to the kingdom of heaven? Are you for the king or are you against him? That's what it boils down to. It's allegiance. Everything is allegiance. That's what it was to the ancient Israelites.

Well, doesn't he just say, whoever is not with me or not for me is against me? So then in that way, then there's only two kings. You're either against him or with him.

Who think they're neutral or attempting to act neutrally. but that's why that's why the lord says cursi cursi miros and the inhabitants thereof so um yeah i think that that's very factional i think this this thing is way bigger than we can even comprehend we're not told everything we're a little we're like we're like dumb dumb children over here we can't hardly comprehend the things that have been told to us that's why jesus spoke to us like little children in parables, which are, by the way, parables are a form of allegory. That's how the Son of God spoke to us when he walked among us. He treated us like little children, ignorant. God does not tell us everything. He's under no obligation to tell you anything about anything, but he has conveyed to us the gospel of his Son, And we have enough information to know how to please God, who he is, what he expects of us, and to comport ourselves in a way that honors him and to be loyal to him and his kingdom. We have enough information for that for sure from the Bible. But it doesn't tell us everything. The Bible.

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We have a kind of being. you can call it a being. I'm not sure that that would be the right term for it. That is living with us right now. Unquestionably, this is a matter of fact, okay? That is co-inhabiting the earth with us right now, that the Bible says nothing about, absolutely nothing, okay? And I'm going to use the word being, even though it's not technically correct. What I'm referencing here are advanced robotics with artificial intelligence right correct we are living in a time when we have advanced robotics and i'm talking about you guys have seen the tesla robot and the robots that are much more advanced than tesla some of the ones that are being developed for example by boston dynamics absolutely mind-blowing how advanced these robots are human and a lot of them are humanoid right so you have you have the physical hardware of a of like a of like a um a humanoid right and then you have the software the the the consciousness we maybe we can call it even though i don't think it's consciousness but by way of um analogy here a consciousness in the form of artificial intelligence walking among us right now right this is fact the bible says exactly nothing about this reality zero nothing doesn't predict it doesn't allude to it now you could say oh there's this amorphous text here that might be you know knowledge will increase and so forth sure but but but what i'm trying to illustrate here is we have this this robotic artificial intelligence there's there's no there's nothing to indicate in the scriptures that this reality

well some would say that the passage in revelation where men want to die they seek death and they can't die that that's alluding to sure that's that's an amorphous reference to

something that we can speculate about i i personally think that that's because of the post-human condition transhumanism and that there there's some sort of a biological a cybernetic component there or genetic component that makes it very difficult for people to die in the future that's speculation i might be right i might be wrong about that but there's nothing

i think that what we're talking about here it's a completely different conversation but since you reject the spiritual realm i think these things go hand in hand and you had asked earlier in the episode what do i think about the internet realm and it's like i don't know

No, it's kind of like a different way to get into this weird spiritual realm. It exists on electricity, electrical synapses. It exists on physical properties that we can manipulate here. And I think that you can do that to get into different realms. Same way you can hijack a brain with DMT, with different neurological conditions. I think they're just different ways to peel the same apple.

Yeah, we're just forcing over words. I mean, there's another realm that has physicality. That doesn't mean it's not spiritual because it has physicality.

hold on now that's a good point what is spiritual then i'd say it's the realm for one that god lives

in right like like where god's at well god is at the right hand according to jesus god is spirit

i think it's amen spiritual is like kind of like this unseen realm that we're going around but but

that's what we would say in that two king six passage right that i talked about a little bit earlier is like elisha's servant goes out he's physically there it looks like he's taking a piss whatever it's early in the morning he's on an expedition kind of like you in peru but now he's covered by the syrian camp right and he says my master what's going on man we're surrounded by this army and then elisha says no no bro don't even sweat it because there's more that are with us than are there with them he prayed that he prayed that his eyes would be opened amen not

that something we have and then he saw the chariots of god surrounding the enemies right so So so we have a problem. I refer to this perceptual cataracts because it's it's that's precisely what what Paul describes when he says that we see in a mirror dimly or we see through a glass dimly. OK, this is perceptual cataracts. So there are there's more to the to created order than we can perceive. OK, there's let's let's put it in these terms. I subscribe to the hyperspatial theory of the universe. the hyperspatial theory of the universe posits that there are more dimensions than the three that are directly accessible to us, albeit very, very tiny dimensions. We're talking like subatomic dimensions that are not accessible to us, but nevertheless could be perceivable bias if we had the ability to perceive them. Now, we can perceive them to some extent with technology, right? And we probably will increasingly as we move into the future, be able to perceive these additional dimensions to the universe. Now, these dimensions that I'm talking about in the hyperspatial universe are not other realms. They're not like, it's not multiverse. These aren't other universes. These aren't other dimensional worlds. These are simply additional directional, directional dimensions of our universe that are inaccessible to us and imperceivable bias however i would contend that adam in that mankind in our original condition that we could perceive the dimensional totality of created order we could perceive it for example we right now we can't see an infrared right but we know that the infrared spectrum the band exists on the on the spectrum we just it's just not within that narrow window that we can actually see with our eyeballs right but it's still there now that isn't a different dimension that's just

what most of us refer to as the spirit realm you refer to as hyperspatial then is really what we're

getting no not necessarily so so the problem is that you guys can't define what you mean by spirit so do the do the people in this what are the people in the spirit realm do

well there's a lot going on what does the holy spirit do do they drink yeah i mean they show up

in the natural realm too like to your point no no maybe they're they're all along but then we have the ability to see them they show up with god at sodom and gomorrah there's these angels that come along with them they're eating they're drinking they show up they hang out with abraham i mean

there's a lot of things in that spirit realm that you're invoking do they do i don't see why they wouldn't i think there's physicality in the spirit that's great i'm glad you're saying that okay so what is the difference between that spiritual realm that you're talking about and just the

universe that we inhabit access right like who's there who's not i mean it's just an access thing

but okay so why couldn't what you're describing just be another place within our universe i don't see why i can't okay good i'm glad you said that so that would make it okay let's be a little bit more specific okay people get uncomfortable when we do i mean it's it's

there right in the two king six it's there it's just now he can see it yes but this is it that's

what i was trying to illustrate is that's a perceptual problem elijah prayed that his servant's eyes would be opened in other words they're there we just don't have the ability to perceive the the the totality of created order and i would concede i subscribe to the hyperspatial theory of the universe in that there are facets of the universe that are all around us but are but are inaccessible to us nevertheless they are facets of this universe of this realm of this universe so i think that the kingdom of god has locality i think it's probably

very center of the universe everything that's that we do here on earth they do there they eat they drink they make music there's there's cities there's walls there's there's technology that in fact what we have is derived what we have comes from there we didn't invent civilization we inherited it and so there's a lot of confusion when the word spiritual is invoked in any kind of a conversation because what people automatically think is disembodied like this is a disembodied realm like an ethereal disembodied realm which doesn't make any sense whatsoever because there's no difference scripturally between that realm that quote-unquote realm and this one rather what what appears to be the reality is that there's other places in our universe where these beings come from okay so it's an extraterrestrial reality as much as it would ever be an extra dimensional reality and when people invoke uh extra dimensions the problem that i have with this is that you guys understand that there are there are first of all there is no proof there really is no sign to even though i subscribe to hyperspatial theory of the universe there's no scientific proof that there are any higher dimensions or anything like that. We still don't have any ironclad proof. What we have are, you know, dozens, not just a few, dozens of disparate scientific theories that differ one from another incorporating the idea of extra dimensions. There is no unified theory of extra dimensions. There's the alternative worlds theory there's uh the hyperspatial theory there's multiverse you know there's a suite of different theories and they're all different but what we do all of us collectively what we do when we invoke extra dimensions and spiritual realms what we're doing is we are and i do this too we are unconsciously referencing pop culture we're referencing our ideas of the spiritual realm or of the or of the of an extra dimensional realm or interdimensional beings come you just started

you started this show referencing pop culture so that's a little bit disingenuous like well those are examples lord of the rings well i mean i think stranger things is a is a good example of

people possibly channeling so but can i just can i just ask this then so like when paul goes to the third heaven like how do you describe that then like what like what's he doing what is that

he said he doesn't know if it was in the body or out of body i don't think he went anywhere no one ever went anywhere ever even Enoch if you read the book of Enoch didn't go anywhere contrary to popular belief he was taken but he was taken somewhere else on the earth and his activity the book of Enoch says was with the watchers being the intermediary between the the good watchers in heaven the holy watchers and the apostate watchers on earth so Jesus ascension in acts one like where Jesus says I'm glad you brought up Jesus yeah Jesus is different okay Jesus is completely different. He's the Son of God. He descended from heaven. Jesus said that no man has ascended or descended from heaven save the Son of Man, okay? So, Jesus is the one who descended from heaven, and Jesus said that no man has seen the Father at any time, by the way. So, yes, heaven is a place. I think it's a physical place. Yes, Jesus is there. He went there, okay that's where we are going by the way it's not about heaven it's about the father's house more than anything that's where the father's house is that's where we began adam was the son of god in the family of god that's another conversation the garden of eden heaven paradise all synonymous terms in the bible so what i'm saying and is in reference to pop culture so so i said we all do it okay but but our reference is primarily from pop culture so what we what we're doing is we're taking like the we're taking the marvel universe the mcu we're taking the the sort of the lord of the rings middle earth ideas although that's kind of different because that doesn't lord of the rings doesn't invoke dimensional stuff chronicles the chronicles of narnia does and we're taking stranger things and we're taking all these different pop culture tropes and we're blending them together and we're saying there's interdimensional beings that are coming from a different dimensional world into ours and they're manifesting or whatever differently and then they go back into their other dimensional world but what we what we've done and what we do so often is we take all these disparate scientific ideas and we throw them into a blender and and it's very very confusing again the problem is we have to be defining terms so what specifically and i'm not saying because naturally i know this is what people are thinking well there's these are angels are interdimensional aliens are interdimensional that's surely what so many people are thinking that's the primary contention that I hear even more so than aliens or demons. They're interdimensional. Now, maybe I don't know. I'm not here to say they're there. I don't have any proof that they're not. But when people invoke that kind of terminology, I insist that they define what they mean. Which scientific theory are you invoking? OK, let's be specific here. If you're invoking a multiverse construct, which is what most people do in fact most christians they're invoking a multiverse and multiverse comes you know multiverse is prominent in like uh the marvel movies right so there's like a different universe

in which there's in actually in multiverse there's just there's different versions of you there's different versions of spider-man there's different versions of captain america

right i disagree with that yeah we actually talk against that pretty commonly on the show not because i disagree with uh you know the way that quantum physics has alluded to it in one theoretical way or another more so the fact that hollywood which tends to be this massive propaganda machine has been feeding us that for the last few decades in a huge way and i would agree with you it's it's bled into the cultural zeitgeist in such a way that yeah people use it interchangeably i'm very cautious of rebranding i just want to ask timothy alberino though i'm

I don't care about the multiverse and the Avengers and the Rings movie. I'm not even asking that. I'm just saying, like, we know Jesus went away at the Ascension. And I'm curious. I want to know Timothy Alvarino's view on it. You guys know. You guys make fun of me because I've been a fan of him for a long time. Me too. What is that place where Jesus goes? Is it another planet? Like, I think Phineas Dake used to say it was another planet. Like, the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven is actually another planet. Is that what you're alluding to? Or, like, what exactly is it?

I don't know exactly what the kingdom of heaven is, but I do believe it's in the physical universe.

And that's where Jesus went in a physical universe in the sense that if we had the technology, we could travel to it like the Tower of Babel kind of thing.

Yes, I believe that that's what I mean when I say that I believe that the kingdom of heaven has locality.

And then when it shows up here and it's in the mountains and we it got here, it physically got here. It wasn't just kind of there in the mist, in the spirit realm. It physically got here. And then Elisha's servant's eyes were open where he could actually see it. but there was physicality that they came from somewhere to be there in those mountains.

Yes. Yes. The Watchers came to the earth. They descended to the summit of Hermon from somewhere else. Now, you can quibble and you can say, well, it's not somewhere in the universe. Okay. Well, where is it? Well, they come from a spiritual realm. Okay. So it's an extraterrestrial spiritual realm. All right. But they're physical beings. Yes. But they come from a spiritual realm. That doesn't make any sense to me. It literally means nothing to me. Okay, well, they come from another dimension. Okay, so it's an extra-dimensional.

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extraterrestrial extra dimensional world okay what makes it different from our universe are we talking multiverse are they coming from a different universe that has different scientific properties in other words the laws of nature are different where they come from but see that doesn't make any sense because if they're coming here let's let's be specific to aliens here if aliens are coming here from a from a different universe with different um physical properties their technology wouldn't make any sense to us they wouldn't have their their anatomy wouldn't make any sense to us to us their technology when it crashes and we can to some extent understand some of it reverse engineer some of it there's claims i think are credible claims by the way the fiber optics and night vision and some of these other things have come from the legacy program i i i suspect that there's some truth to that so how would we make sense of like interdimensional technology that doesn't make any sense so i don't see why we need to invoke a a spiritual realm or b extra an interdimensional realm when we're talking about the things that happen within a Biblia.

both in the biblical context and also the UFO phenomenon. Why do we need to invoke any of that? Can't we answer all the questions inside of our universe?

I don't know. It says that the worlds were framed by the word of God and those things which appear were made of things that don't appear, right? Like something was made, excuse me, from an unseen realm. And there is like properties where Jesus shows up and he can come through walls. I don't know where Jesus comes through walls, right? Like he, he can like defy physicality coming through a wall to be in the room, but then at the same time he can be in union with physicality and he's eating he can kind of do both with that glorified body so well i don't know but i guess we're just kind of like parsing words well

i'm just i think we're saying uh possibly and and timothy's saying definitely not so that's

definitely not what no i think he's kind of saying a lot of the same stuff we're just kind of parsing

i mean as far as i'm concerned it's it is it's minutiae it's nuance it's it's definitions which is fair i mean you need to have a we'll never ground but your main your main thing this whole

time and watching this from an outsider was that like timothy alvarino definitely came hard in the old gen six production stuff talking about like yeah man when this stuff comes on the scene dude from the alien realm there's going to be the uh the antichrist is going to come from that and you're just kind of looking more for him to sound the alarm nowadays well we already have that out

back then i understand where he's coming from on that topic i think we we beat that one to death there is something that i would like his opinion on because he's so close to this alien uh tim you're so close to this we'll wrap it up yeah we'll wrap it up after this because we're at the

two-hour mark and timothy thank you if we if i was rude specifically you guys were rude i'm always

very rude i appreciate you guys actually i want to say thank you not only for coming on this time but showing up like episode 30 of this show earlier giving us two hours early giving us two

hours if you guys specifically told me i can't glaze them and you're glazing them now you made

me not do that we can glaze now okay at the end all right listen we spoke about what we had to

i want a little time to go ahead and do the there is something that i want his opinion on because something that's um really shown itself in the uap community uh is this element of the divine feminine it's coming predominantly from like the bledsoes who are referencing the lady and these aren't authorities necessarily but they are louder voices in the space um what was the gentleman's name with the uap the egg retrieval uh jason um i forgot what his name is but the the big famous egg retrieval jake barber is also filled with this this thing that he defined as the goddess he used the language the goddess now the goddess is an element that shows up over and over again the catholic church which is uh you know one of your favorite institutions uh the vatican in particular uh it talks about you know mother mary being a co-redeemer bledsoe chris bledsoe says that this entity he's engaging with is mother mary but goes by a plethora of names hathor yeah um I think likely Ishtar and all these other things are tossed in there. And this is something that I see really on the side of the deception angle. And we have been primed as a people, as a culture, to receive this idea of the divine feminine. It's really a cultural phenomenon, especially with feminism and things of that nature. And then there's even this other additional connection of Jack Parsons, you know, employed by Jet Proportion Laboratories. He's out in the middle of the deserts with L. Ron Hubbard, and he's summoning into through Aleister Crowley's works, this entity called Babylon that, you know, some say is supposed to usher in this this era of radical freedom and divine energy and all these other things. And so I can't help but look at that and wonder if that's kind of what we are or have been prepped to receive. And now we're seeing the actual manifestation of that in the UAP space in regards to the goddess or the divine feminine.

are you seeing this what do you i agree i completely agree with that yeah i think that that now now therein lies deception okay this is a great illustration here of of of of why we need to delineate on this topic of ufos and and the alien presence why it's so important to define our terms and to separate the different pieces and parts that we're talking about so what you're referring to is messaging, messaging that's coming from Bledsoe, which is, in my estimation, deceptive. I think that Bledsoe is an abductee. In fact, I know he is. Him and his family are abductees. Now, they are conveying information that is perhaps some of it completely fabricated, some of it screen memories, and perhaps some of it they're being used specifically for deceptive purpose you know i don't know or or a mix of all of those things okay so now you're talking about messaging and we're on this now we're on board here together the messaging there is deceptive but let's take that that and put it over here we can agree that the all of that divine feminine and all that crap yes that's very highly I don't know. deceptive highly um intermingled with the occult that's over here then let's take crash retrievals let's take the testimony whistleblowers and let's put that over here in a different bin let's just call that and i don't know if you guys agree with that but for the sake of argument

let's just call that fact hard fact but it does get a little messy because the dude that retrieved that egg it doesn't matter he's actually retrieving it and he's having this thing happen to him but Yeah, no, I agree. We'll separate that for now.

That's Jake Barber, who I know. He just described how the being in the craft that he was transporting, it was on a lead line under his helicopter, some kind of a saucer. Apparently there was a being inside of the saucer that was communicating something to him, some sort of empathic communication that overwhelmed him with these feelings, which he describes as the divine feminine, whatever, I don't know what that is. There's nothing there. I have nothing to evaluate there. There's really no message there. There's just a feeling. Now, if he were to come forward and say, yes, and now this being tells me that, you know, Jesus wasn't the son of God, oh, now I have something to evaluate. And I can tell you that that's a lie, right? But I can't evaluate somebody who's interpreting feelings they're getting from from an experience. So I really don't have anything to say about that, except for I think Jake Barber is telling the truth. And I think he was actually recovering some crap with some something, something interesting inside of them. But but let's set Jake aside for a moment. Let's talk about the ones who've testified in Congress that been over here. I would say this is a this these are just facts that are coming out about a phenomenon that is real. Legacy programs, real crash retrievals happen. The bodies are recovered. There's biological bodies. They die. I have whistleblowers coming to me by the way saying telling me stories behind the scenes so that confirm all of this as well and that's just uh that bin is just fact there's no messaging there okay there's no messaging there's no disinformation there that i can perceive there's no disinformation and i'm not talking about fake photos that were presented another i'm just talking about the basic claims of the whistleblowers that's just fact over here okay but about the divine feminine

aspect though yeah the bledsoe because these are the guys that are these i'm trying to get these

things separate in your head because you have them jumbled together and i'm trying to say no separate these things in the bledsoe situation you have messaging and worse you have theological messaging there that's a whole different situation that's unfolding there and i think a lot of it is

just bs by the way i'm getting like this gnostic principle of sophia who's a counterpart to christ that you know is untalked about like this is this is something that permeates gnosticism but but a plethora of other um you know mystic schools or or uh what's the the correct terminology

mystery schools yeah and some of the guys some of the guys like you know jake barber is in bletso's camp okay and then you got some of the other guys guys like lou and grush who think he's nuts okay or at least i'm assuming that with with i shouldn't say i just let let me let me retract that i don't know what lou thinks about bledsoe but i know that some of the guys who are the nuts and bolts guys who know the phenomenon is real who've been involved in the crash retrieval stuff think that this other stuff over here the divine fact that this is all bullcrap okay so what i'm trying to do is get you guys to to to think in a much more complex way about this topic and to differentiate these things just to just to put this to bed

um i am very aware there's a craft retrieval i i understand all that and i don't think that these people are lying when they're retrieving these things and i don't think that reporting on the things that you've retrieved or the nature of the technology or any of those things is a deception i'm not concerned about that uh if you find a thing it's and you're reverse engineering it if the government has access to technology from these crash report on that that's fine i'm not saying that you're part of a deception or anything like that these are just the nuts and bolts so so that's fine on this show and our our audience is also aware this is just one aspect of it if you have a guy that is just nuts and bolts and he's looking at the technological aspect of it and he decides to report on it well that's exactly what it is and that's fine um so i'm not too concerned with with that aspect but this this this other thing this this weird divine feminine And, you know, as you said, crap, and especially in conjunction with the the timely announcement of the Vatican or the Catholic Church that Mary is co-redeemer alongside Christ. And then Bledsoe saying that this thing is is Mary that starts to paint a really fascinating picture. And it's got quite a megaphone right now. It's very loud. It's going viral constantly. The Bledsoe's Chris Bledsoe was just on a big podcast. I forget the name of it, but surely millions and millions of views. and definitely is going to sway the opinion of people who are, you know, on the edge of their seats watching the UFO disclosure unfold. Yeah, I don't just.

disagree with that i don't disagree with that at all um let me let me before we go let me ask you guys a question okay here we go i'm going to paint you guys a scenario and i just want to get you to respond to this okay i like where this is going we have a situation unfolding in which for decades elements of the united states government military industrial complex together with aerospace contractors have been involved in recovering reverse engineering alien craft deriving technology from it interacting with the beings the pilots and dissecting their bodies and also with the living pilots and and making and let's just for the sake of argument okay concede to this making making um illegal bargains with these beings which i would suggest to you has happened i would agree and i say illegal because they're being done in secret and and there's no consultation with the american people which is the way that this kind of thing is supposed to happen we we're just lied to about all this and then because all of this has been secret kept secret for so long all kinds of illegal things have happened behind the scenes as i said earlier the most nefarious things you can imagine okay yeah human trafficking associated with this experimentation on human beings children hybridization illicit uh programs of hybridization in our attempt to understand the technology and to access it harness it okay people have been murdered over this thing um so there's a lot of crime this is deep this is dark this is nefarious and this is highly illegal okay that's here now you have and over here you have a group of people who are saying hey this thing's real this program's real and it's illegal and we need to get oversight and the and furthermore the people who are involved in it they say this behind the scenes people who are involved that need to be prosecuted for lying to the american people and the american people have the right to know that this is happening because some of the money is our money right that's funding this evil stuff that's over here and then over here on this side you have a group of people who are saying nope nope the american people should not be informed keep this a lid on this nobody needs to know anything about this congress doesn't need to know nothing

to see here which side of that are you guys on when i said when we watched that documentary i said this is probably what alberino is talking about is exactly what he just said was that like hey i'm glad that something's coming forth i just think our position when we watched the documentary was that it was creepy it was like it felt like the beginning of coronavirus where they were like you got to stay six feet away you got to wear the mask like here's the talking points with creepy bullet points and it was very corny and plasticky feeling but i said that that that was probably his position and why he like defended it was it like hey at least it's coming forth i get it at least

it's being said and i get it it's just i don't know my experience of the last six seven years of like being i was more in the political realm before and you you start to realize that you've been played a fool a bit this left right dynamic is nonsense and i don't mean to like shoo shoo politics. They're important in some way, like obviously how we govern ourselves. But I know when I'm being given something and I'm being told to choose. The Jewish question is a great one right now. This is out there. There's a dynamic, whatever. There's a dynamic going and they're saying, hate them, love them. Neither of these are the answer. There's a lot more nuance here. So what I'm looking at is guys like Lou Elizondo who are in the government. And I'm looking at other people who are in the government. And they're saying, we need to suppress. We need to

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the truth is somewhere in between i mean i would say that but it does go ahead what i see here though is an idea that's time has come yeah this is happening whether we like it or not i'm just trying to be perceptive of the narrative that comes with it and the people that are presenting the narrative who's going to control it yeah and who's going to control someone's going to control this narrative but like if there are non-human intelligence and it's their time and they're ready to present themselves lou alessandro is not going to stop this the collins elite are not going to stop this. Your favorite senator is not going to stop this. They can. They can control the release. They can control the demolition of America. They can control the release of the public and persuade our opinions on it. And that's kind of how I'm looking at this. And I feel like I'm being manipulated.

but but it seems like you guys are kind of skirting around the question based on the based on the things that that those the data points i presented wouldn't you all of you acknowledge that the guys who are trying to tell the american people the truth and get oversight over these programs that are rogue wouldn't you say that's those are the good guys that's the question no is that what's happening this is like the same question yes

I voted with the guys that are destroying the grays. I voted for Donald Trump to get a certain thing. And now we're here with these Epstein files that will not be released. And I didn't vote specifically for the Epstein files. We're not talking about Donald Trump. We're talking about a left-right dynamic.

There is no left-right dynamic here. There is no left-right dynamic here. There's a lot of terrible things happening in the cover of darkness. miles beneath our feet that have been that that that there's been no oversight for generations okay and this technology has leaked and is being used face peelers peru michael herrera's testimony human trafficking this stuff is being used to do the most nefarious things because there has been no oversight and the american people have been lied to the world has been lied to okay so it's a very simple question is exposing that and getting oversight over it and telling the american people the truth is that a noble endeavor forget about politics guys guys we're missing the point here

it's a hypothetical how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning i feel hungry so but i did have breakfast that was truly what was being presented if that was the nature of it was that clean and cut i disagree with the fact that it's that clean and cut but let's add a third option i would say i would err on the side of the guys that are going to release the information and i would do my best to use my platform to insert the gospel into the minds of anybody who was looking at this thing because they are going to need it going forward so yeah i mean that's yes that's a this is happening whether we like it or not and i would say that if you were a guy who was like you know uh let's say hypothetically um really close to the situation close to like an alizondo or something like that you used to be you know uh intimate with like megalithic structures maybe in like a south american country i don't know whatever and you had yourself grounded in

christ i'm not sure you're like close to the situation structures i'm just saying if you were

that kind of guy and you were on a show and you wanted to give some indicator that you're just trying to maintain some air of of being reasonable and not be outcasted by a nuts and bolts community that's right up the ass of disclosure maybe you would do a thing on a show like a little meow or

i would pick i would pick a side listen if i'm gonna if if i'm gonna be able to learn a little bit more about what i've been studying for the last couple of decades yeah i pick a side and i pick the side of the guys that are clearly going to do it so i guess that's the answer to your question but neither side is correct if this is happening you didn't think that documentary was

creepy the way it was laid out it was like coronavirus beginning vibes like okay i didn't

think it was creepy at all i thought it was extremely well you know what it was tim it was like what did you say you're watching it sorry what did you say he just said he didn't think

it was creepy at all i think it was just it was just a narrative that they were trying to frame the documentary in a way that people who are new to the topic can understand it and that people who've been in the topic for a long time uh can also understand that what they're doing is confirming what ufologists have known for decades that's what they're doing they're

just confirming there's nothing that you're a guy who's who's you know taken on a number of sizable projects and this time right now that we're in seems very important uh is there anything on on your horizon uh maybe a partner documentary to what we just watched that helps people see this through a christian lens and remain grounded in the gospel could be uh you know very valuable

you have like a you have a some sort of a program right what do you mean i have a program

i i have a community i have i have a members community where we talk about this stuff at length um i mean we we really get deep into the minutiae and that's timothy that's the elbrinoanalysis.com but um i'm constantly doing things soon though right i'm sorry you're doing

uh are you you're doing something with la marzulli i saw an announcement on your

Oh, I did an interview with L.A. I did an interview with L.A. where at the end of the interview, he asked me if he could incorporate it into his conference conference. So that's what that is. It was just an interview. And I and I didn't really I had no objection to that. that's what he did um but listen uh i think that what what we need to do what you need to do here in in the audience i would say and what christians by and large need to do is decouple the reality of the phenomenon from the deception of the phenomenon decouple those things we need to acknowledge the reality and not deny it not not pretend that the things that are real are not real while at the same time being ready to refute, like in the case of the Bledsoe stuff, refute the messaging that is clearly anti-biblical, okay? Those are two different domains. You can acknowledge what's real and refute any kind of messaging that comes out that's contrary to the gospel of Christ. There is nothing about that that is confusing. there's nothing about that that is um trying to play both sides it's just acknowledging what is true and refuting uh theological messaging that is contrary to the gospel that's what i do and i don't we don't get anywhere when people are still arguing about whether or not there's a crash retrieval program uh oh we don't get anywhere the table yeah that we're we're fond beyond far beyond that pill i would say yes yeah so and then you know and then you have to be able to differentiate between information that's like in that film the age of disclosure information that's being presented in a way that is the whole intention of that film was just to say this is real here's a bunch of people who are in authority who are acknowledging that it's real and and here's here's the part that a lot of people go nuts about and this constitutes or actually let me be very accurate this may constitute a national security threat okay that's the film that's age of disclosure this is real and it may constitute a national security threat that's that's that was the thrust of the film there's no theological anything in it yeah there's a group of evangelical Christians, and I'll say this, and I know we have to close here, this group of evangelical Christians who don't want the public to look at this topic, who don't want you to know anything about it, who want to keep the lid on it, nothing to see here. If you look at it, you're entertaining demons or something like that, right? These guys, and I have reason to believe, by the way,

these are hardcore zionist type people too who believe we're like israel first hardcore zionism uh so i'll bet you guys don't agree with that i just i would suspect that you probably wouldn't

agree with that logically doesn't track because a hardcore zionist would be trying to bring about

the end of times you're talking about dispensational dispensational evangelical christians OK, it does track and dispense dispensational evangelical Christians, the vast majority of them think aliens are just demons. The whole thing's just a deception. Just throw it all out. You know, UFOs and crash retrieval. It's all just fake gay deception, whatever. And and they're hardcore Zionists. That's exactly who we're talking about. OK, it's precisely who we're talking about here. So am I with that crowd? No, I'm not a Zionist and I'm not anti-Israel. I'm just not a Zionist. And I'm not dispensational and I'm not anti-dispensational. I have lots of friends who are dispensational Christians and I love these people and I support them and I've got nothing against it. I'm just not that. Just understand that when you invoke the Collins elite, that it's not that these people are just these righteous people who know for a fact that aliens are demons and they're just trying to protect the public from a deception. no yes in their in their minds they are that doesn't mean that they're right there's in my perspective they're certainly not right about a lot of the other things they do so i think they're misguided and i'm i'm i am with the christians who want to tell the truth and who want to bust the bad guys who want to end this illicit activity and there's specifically a group where i work who i work with that they want to gather enough evidence of all this terrible of all these terrible things that are happening in relate in related to this topic and other topics as well present it to the president and to the administration and give them the opportunity to redress it to shut these programs down to tell the american people the truth to to prosecute the people who have committed these terrible things to go after these rogue um these these these um rogue companies who are using the technology to do nefarious things

That's what these guys want. Guess what? I'm there. That's me. That's what I want.

I think that that is a good place to leave it.

That is, but I would, I would actually like to make a request.

I just put my hat on.

Stop it. We're not going to get on your head off. Timothy, thank you for, thank you for taking the time to meet with us. If you would, Matt, can you take us out in prayer? Because I feel like what we're talking about,

let him do his, his plugs and tell people, you know, you've written a lot of books and a lot of fantastic documentaries. And I think that, you know, after this discussion, a lot of people are going to be fascinated to look into more of your work. So if you could, before we do that, let everybody know what you've worked on, where they can find these things.

Well, everybody knows I have a YouTube channel. I'm on X and Instagram. My handle is always the same, Timothy Albrino. I have a whole, I have a whole film series. Well, three films in a series that no one's that I've never published publicly. They're excellent. They're, they're, I'd say they're better than the true legend series that's in my members community and i produced this some years ago and um it's more like about ancient history and elongated skulls and all that kind of stuff um so there's a lot of material over there my members community um but you know i'm i've got um a lot going on projects that are happening this year that that people want to track with those uh follow me on social media follow me on um youtube and i just want to say i appreciate you guys being willing to do this i think we probably agree on way more than we would ever disagree on. I think that once terms are properly defined, there's probably very little that we disagree on. So I just want to make it clear that I am not team deception, okay? And I don't just believe what the government says, and I don't just believe what Lou Elizondo says or David Grush. I'm not that guy. But behind the scenes, I'm interacting with people who want to drop the hammer on the real demonic stuff that's going on in the background, okay I'm with those guys just to be clear I'm with those guys thank you guys for having me on

this was a lot of fun thank you for coming on I knew we were going to agree on it more than not just take us out in a quick prayer like just about discernment because this is very confusing you see how like like we're in such a tussle over terms definitions and it's crazy I hope this

serves that like nine to five worker who doesn't have the time to delve into these topics whose occupation it isn't um you know we're all strapped for time and this is a confusing landscape to navigate and so i hope that this serves somebody out there and if anything i hope that it brought someone closer to uh to the gospel of christ but please yeah matt take it away god i just want to

uh thank you for even making this a possibility today you god of all people know how grateful i am for the dude timothy alvarino and how wild this story is that this dude's just like on the tv now in the copy shop and we're having this conversation with them and i'm just i'm just very grateful for this god i just pray that like we wouldn't get lost in the minutiae and that the common people wouldn't get lost in the minutiae and the parsing over words and details and some of the stuff that just kind of like takes us totally off track lord but that i don't know like all this alien stuff lord you know i don't it's not even my thing like i don't really know much about all this stuff i just know that there are entities that are going to reveal themselves and try to deceive us and and your word talks about how that men's hearts are going to be filling them for fear for things coming on the earth and i just pray against all that stuff for everybody listening and everybody that's here today god i pray that like timothy alvarino would be our boy for long term like in the fight because honestly man i think we have to really keep track of like who's on our team and who's not on our team and i'm really grateful for this discussion that some of this stuff was able to be borne out and some of ravens you know real genuine concerns were able to be brought up and timothy was able to talk through it and i'm grateful the top wasn't like super nasty but was able to get his point across too like this was just a rad thing and i'm incredibly grateful to just have been a part of it lord but that's really my prayer is that alberino would continue to be a voice you know he's been a voice in my life for you know probably a decade now and even into my kid's life and all these things and i pray that he would continue to be that for many more people that he's moved the ball like so far down the field for most of modern american christians that just couldn't handle like the things that were being said 10 years ago. He's moved that ball so far. And I just pray that he'd continue to do that. And we'd be like a team doing that, Lord, that we would stay focused on like who's on the team and who's not in regards to the kingdom of God, Lord. I just pray that you'd have your hand on us and guide us and instruct us and allow us to really preach truth everywhere that we go, Lord, in regards to like alien deception, but in regards to everything, Lord, in Jesus' name, amen.

Amen. Amen.

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