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Are you watching a movie where a dog's brains are hanging out for most of the running time? I guess I am.

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hello welcome to the cartoon cabal where we do all the experiments we want in service of the cabal don't do that don't experiment on animals i don't know i guess i'm a hardliner on that but uh i'm not peta but it doesn't sound good there's matt here over at paranoid american what did you make us watch i made you watch plague dogs actually okay let's put it out someone else made us watch plague dogs as i uh the light plug i i over at mission log podcast they do star trek they have a discord which is on the paywall right but i do chats there we talk about the twilights and we talk about star trek i was talking about this podcast with some of my regulars there and um one of them suggested this like if you're talking conspiracies and animation you have to watch plague dogs which he probably was correct yeah there's there's not

many other contexts where you have to watch plague dogs would ever be valid but i guess in this one specific niche that we find ourselves in then yeah i guess we did have to watch plague dogs

my wife walked in while i was playing this and i was like yeah you don't want to see this movie she doesn't want to see this movie right uh the exact same but this is the first time that i've

seen this movie and within the first i mean like a minute and a half in and my girlfriend walked in and i just hear from the back of the room are you watching a dog drown and i kind of say yeah i think

i am are you watching a movie where a dog's brains are hanging out for most of the running time i

guess i am it's it's fascinating because this is one of the golden rules of cinema is that you're never supposed to hurt or basically kill the dog like there's entire movies about not killing dogs right and they have to like recut movies about like where the end the dog gets hurt so this one just flips that entire thing on its head yeah these two dogs are doing i think there's

a happy ending in a book that the movie doesn't get unless you stick around through all the credits and then the island materializes at the end he was correct about the island it turns out but I don't think they made it I believe they made it okay they made it good I think they make it in the book maybe and read the book of course they make it

how could they not make it the whole movie is about them making it yeah

I should mention this is kind of the second Richard Adams books Watership Down and this there's a Watership Down movie we probably need to cover but just as because I was you know having these chats we just went straight to this one so i have seen watership down it was

actually a little bit of an initiation ritual at disney that everyone had to watch watership down and everyone wanted to hear what your thoughts were on it but the first time that i saw it it was 20 plus years ago and i wouldn't have been watching it the same way that i would watch it right now so it's definitely worth a re-watch i guess that's it's basically this movie but rabbits no

yeah basically uh they're rabbits yeah basically uh dear listener uh leave a comment saying we need

to do it and we'll fast track it but uh yeah i'm in no rush to watch watership down again i'm not

in a rush either but if people want it we can do it you know uh what but watching this movie i we've done all the we've been watching so much like 2010s you know computer animated stuff recently just like watching the hand-drawn animation this i was like oh look at that you know it was like

kind of blowing my mind this was not as hard of a watch as i was expecting it's not something that you want to just put on like a afternoon if you're already feeling good but it wasn't a bad watch it wasn't really difficult but it kept reminding me of these old russian black

and white videos where they reanimate the corpses of dead dogs and like severed dog heads and stuff

i don't know if you've ever seen this before hmm i i've been in plenty of disturbing russian

corners but maybe not that one all right well link below link below yeah um i'm checking out

this guy because i was like really impressed by the uh animation here it looks like he basically just did this and Watership Down those are his two big animated movies okay

apparently this was not a fast track to Disney

no well keep in mind this is 82 so two years earlier Disney had just done The Fox and the Hound another movie with a fox and a dog that is also kind of dark but yeah it's not this dark well they had to

scale Fox and the Hound back right because there was a scene ironically in which a dog died and it didn't test well and they had a kind of unwrite it so the dog just gets hurt

yeah um this one also does have two cuts there's a it was obviously there's no pg-13 in 1982 but a few years later this was retroactively uh rated pg-13 because the american cut actually cut things uh such as we get a shot late in the movie where that that one guy is dead and it looks like the dogs probably ate him that was that was cut out of the american oh like the the corpse that was remaining that just looked like a mash it's like 10 minutes of cuts but that's the big cut they took that out because they're like oh we can't suggest because i did i wrote directly in my notes did did those dogs just eat that guy which the answer is yes yeah well i mean they

were hungry and and to be fair the dogs didn't directly kill him right the fox killed him but but he kind of like well i guess the dogs do kill at least one person in this movie well yeah that's

why there's like they send the entire military after them for that which is what happens right because the movie does a very interesting thing of putting you firmly in the camp of the dog so then when the humans it's like those horrible humans they can't do that but that's that's pretty normal in japan there's um done a lot of bears recently strolling through town so it's kind the same thing right they um you know uh in japan they tend to shoot the bear not with a tranquilizer with a with a bear gun yeah with a a the bear is dead gun yes well is this the first

time you've seen plague dogs or had yeah i didn't know this movie existed until i had that chat two

weeks ago or my friend suggested and but it was a suggestion i was like yeah we do have to do this for cartoon cabal don't we this is just like so in the wheelhouse you know i feel like it's come

up before on like another show that i did but now yeah it's it's one of those movies too that you only have to see it once you don't really have to see it a whole bunch of times i don't think i'm ever going to forget it though so if anyone brings up plague dogs again i'll know exactly what they're talking about like certain scenes are playing in my head right now just as

we're talking about it although a fascinating thing is it's the first 10 minutes and like the last 15 minutes that really searing your brain and give you you know there's stuff in the middle it's a good movie but yeah it's that the beginning and the end are the ones that really hit you know

okay for example how many scenes of plague dogs do you think you'll remember versus how many

scenes from finding dory i remember finding dory better than you i was just uh talking about the twilight zone episode eight featuring an octopus and i was sitting there talking about the whole octopus thing from finding dory so that movie stuck better in my mind uh if we are looking at the disney list i will tell you a recent movie that i've completely forgot about um let's see eyes in disguise i for i remember a little bit yeah that one's going that that one is going away quickly oh the good dinosaur i barely remember anything about the good dinosaur because one

because it was i remember bits and pieces of the good dinosaur i remember the psychedelic trip from

that yeah oh yeah i don't remember well the only good part yeah yeah but yeah no this this movie definitely sticks to the bones like you know it's there's certain images of this that like the edited one of the dead guy that are probably not leaving my head at any point in the near future

you know so i guess the the highlight here at least for the intro is that literally within a minute of the movie starting probably within 20 seconds uh you just watch a dog slowly drown and don't worry the dog doesn't die or anything but it does drown and i think that this was apparently it was based on a book but the book was based on a science experiment in the 1950s and i got my notes are that it was a harvard scientist named dr kurt richter john hopkins of course because that's where all the the crazy stuff happened and basically it was on rats and what what he would do was drown a bunch of rats but he found out that the rats uh, would basically die after about 15 minutes. But if he waited right until the rat was about to drown and then saved the rat's life, then the next time he tested that rat drowning, it would last an hour instead of 15 minutes. And then he would just keep doing this to see how long a rat would keep trying to survive until it gave up and drowned. And it went from 15 minutes on average if you didn't save them right before they died at 14 minutes and 59 seconds to 60 hours that actually some rats would try and survive for 60 hours as they were trying to like save their lives and then he's like i guess that's as far as that one's making it but that's that's the premise here is that if you instill some sort of hope in an animal it's very cruel one of you give an animal hope that their their life is going to be saved then they will try and save themselves for a little bit longer to like wait for that hand of God to reach down and save them

no one of the most disturbing scenes in a recent movie I remember and most of the movie is fun and games it's Deadpool but there's a scene where they stick him in a chamber for a week and they're like okay we're only giving you just enough oxygen to barely survive I'm like that that scratches a disturbing itch in my brain you know

well that's this that's well that that's the one dog the main dog that we talking about ralph

ralph just like the muppet so ralph like the muppet too r-o-w-l-f yeah but there i mean in a

in a cruel and sick way and not as much in like a superman spider-man way but they're kind of giving these dogs superpowers at least like they their abilities eventually let them escape and swim away to an island and live have happily ever after i assume yes that's how the movie ends yes

because i i did write a late note when they are doing the hunt for the dogs uh they you know the other dogs the hunt dogs are clearly not sentient the foxes too so that's an interesting thing uh we've talked before in some disney movies where some animals seem sentient and some don't you know

i i mean personally i think that it has to do with proximity to humans that if you're closer to human then you've got a better chance of being sentient and that's why when the animals go off into the wild they become feral they lose some of that like like the you almost get domesticated

by humans just through proximity like osmosis but here our main dogs have uh they're out and they're talking to each other whereas then we see the hunt dogs which are on leashes with people and

they seem feral you know although those dogs talk to the other dogs as well so like all dogs can talk to each other in this one it seems yeah unless they've experimented on your tongue or something yeah they call this movie all dogs go to hell there we go well this would be hell right it would like them drowning would be the sweet release from hell in the context of plague dogs which i guess quick summary it's it's not really like a deep hero journey style movie right it's about a lab somewhere in is are we in london the the introduction is um it's it's england right so

it's you know like like off in the english countryside uh this movie also is co-produced uh with a san francisco uh animation house so it's not okay let's assume it happens in san francisco then so oh no no no it definitely takes place it says right here research laboratory in great britain but the movie was okay a co-production is my point well i'm just it would it's more fun

to pretend that it's san francisco but in great britain there is a facility but basically it's like a black op facility that the government is not advertising and they're in a national park

they do they make it clear it's in a national park which i thought in the center of a national park

there's this laboratory where they're testing on all kinds of animals you name it rats rabbits dogs monkeys and the dogs it's like each individual dog is going through a different experiment so we've got Ralph who's doing the drowning thing and his sidekick is Snitter and Snitter has had some experimental brain surgery where they've kind of like lobotomized the dog and he goes into these weird fantasy realms and just kind of like phases out a little bit uh and then there's a dog that's just dead at the beginning and they like shovel it away because it didn't last through whatever the hell they gave it so they're that's where the plague dogs start but then the plague dogs escape because one of the jailers one of the guys at the lab they call him white coats leaves the cage unlocked and then snitter is able to like squeeze himself into ralph's cage which was unlocked and then they get out they jump into basically the incinerator where they shove all the dead dog bodies and then manage to squeeze out of there into the outside world, run around for a little while, end up killing a couple people on accident. One of the dogs shoots a person, and then the entire military comes after them. They run away into the ocean and swim off into an island and live happily ever after.

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yes uh i have to read the taglines for this movie from the poster because usually a tagline's whatever but now that we've watched the movie and hearing these taglines like what no uh like

these taglines that get you into the movie theater to pay money for it okay yes the first one escape

to a different world and share the adventure of a lifetime i'm like that's not this movie folks i mean technically you could say that but it doesn't fit the and then

literally the adventure of a lifetime you see an entire lifetime in this adventure okay good well

you're on that pr team the other ones they're on the same poster it's got two a special kind of movie magic from the creators of watership down so a special kind of movie magic you know what

though if you had seen watership down then then that tagline would probably prep you for what

you're about to see right yeah i guess i mean we talked about several episodes ago the one that i had seen which i guess is sort of it's it's i thought it was hardcore as a kid but i guess it's actually lower strength than this would be uh the seeker and them right with the with the lab

rats uh yeah that's not that's not really that hardcore yeah compared to this i mean but but

that always seemed oh i was like that's the animal experimentation movie and then then you see this you're like nope nope this that this has this has the dog's brains hanging out through most of the

movie somehow i still see this one is almost on the level of like dumbo where they they prevent the mom from seeing little dumbo and the baby scene where they're trying to like hold each other's trunks through the little thing and he can't see her i feel like that's a level of cruelty even though they don't get their brains operated on it's basically the same this doesn't

have any whimsy though dumbo has lots of whimsy it has the pink elephant there's a lot of escape and dumbo this movie gives you the escape is to the island where they live happily ever after

because saying otherwise is too depressing well that's not true snitter will sometimes revert back to like 10 years previous or five years pre because he's a dog and like his environment will change into the environment that he used to be in right so he's almost living like this doctor strange multiple dimensions kind of thing where like the room he's in is still the room but it's in a room from like a previous house that he had lived in because he keeps regressing back to before he was lobotomized so snitter's just tripping balls basically not the fun kind though yeah i don't know if you i don't know if you're allowed to call it trick because tripping in in sort of infers a little bit of fun like a little bit of euphoria but it doesn't seem like that it seems like a tear i would say more like dementia like he's slipping into bouts of dementia

yeah i should uh a bit of the uh voice actors here uh one of the dr boycott boycott that's

his name is it okay he's like dolly parton all apart no dolly parton is not here um he was in

the the dr boycott was in the the yes minister sitcom which i guess gilbert gottfried uh playing the voice of snitter ralph was christopher benjamin he had been in a bit of doctor who okay the big ones john heard is is the voice of snitter so you know that's a pretty okay i recognize that now i didn't look it straight straight off alien right so um he had an alien burst out of his chest and now he's having his brains burst out of his dog skull but that's a case where i'm like okay because we've talked about like you don't get actors for voice acting he hit like what you know the i think

we got his vibe through this voice acting you know he could he can do the screen acting and the voice acting uh i don't know i call out oh tom holland who i love in live action was like the worst voice actor ever if you're in spies in the sky so yeah i was gonna say i don't think tom holland was in this one i don't think he was even born you know he wasn't any of a gleam in some

sailor's eye at this point so this one too it it seems like they have a little backstory on some of the dogs we get so for example snitter who's the sidekick and he's the one that has the brain operated on that we keep going back and figuring out like how did he turn into one of these plague dogs like how did he find himself in this laboratory and i guess he killed his first owner because we get a flashback where the own like he was in the middle of the road and a truck was coming and his owner went to save snitter and saved snitter but then the owner gets hit by the truck and like all these people come out and they're like that that dog killed that man and he runs away and then i guess gets caught at some point i is that how is that what happens in great

britain is that a guy in any case if i mean the thing is if an animal seems partially responsible for a person's death everyone pretty much is like now we have to put that animal down right or in

this case i guess they're gonna send it to a lab well it's not like snitter pushed this guy into traffic it was just that snitter was going to get hit so the guy but that's the animal

biism i mean most people i mean we're we've watched this movie we just went oh we like these dogs but in general if an animal seems responsible for a person's death people are

not happy with this animal you know i i don't disagree and in fact if you go back far enough in history they actually held trials i think this was ancient greece i might even remember prior to that but like in ancient greece they would have a trial against like a chair if someone was standing on a chair and it broke and that person fell and broke their neck it would actually put the chair on trial with a judge and a jury and everything to kind of condemn it for being the cause of somebody's death and i think it was like a ritualistic thing i was like wouldn't you

judge the person who built the chair though for like doing a bad job wouldn't that make more sense like you build a crappy they didn't have the technology they didn't have the technology yet

they were built just like we would still get mad at a dog in 1982 because a guy pushed the dog out of the way and he got hit so like we're still working on the technology to figure out whose fault it really is like maybe the truck driver i don't know okay the the movie mercy this year

was a fail on that by the way that's where chris pratt sits in the chair and gets judged and it's not good and then followed by 21 grams yeah feels like that would be like the perfect movie for 40x except that the chair doesn't do anything so if you did it in 40x you'd be in a chair that didn't do anything plague dogs oh yeah no you don't want to do this one in 40x that would suck too you'd get experiment on you the chair would drown you for and then resuscitate you i mean again it would probably be a memorable experience oh yeah for sure um but let's see where where do we go on this i'm gonna start oh oh recently i mentioned the creepy ua logo and this started with the creepy ua logo so i was you know sitting i saw it and i

know that it was the creepy one but it doesn't really creep me out i'll have to start notes on

bit of a variant i think in the late 80s they made it a little bit creepier but this was most of the way there and folks you can watch the full cut of this on youtube so it's it's a very accessible movie if you want to spend a few hours with the plague dogs that's where i watched it i

watched the whole thing on youtube and i believe no reason not to it was the unedited version because i had the the gnarled dude that looked like a like a strawberry pop tart and um i like

the soundtrack in this quite well um i i think i told you i was sitting around actually watching

the movie and playing the bass along with it on vinyl we've got the plague dogs in the soundtrack

I sat around playing the bass with this movie and it was kind of fun so I do that sometimes. I was listening I had the subtitles on as well. Do you think that

that was maybe a defense mechanism for how dark the content was? Absolutely.

Just if you're wondering, absolutely. Yes, sitting there and playing bass I'm just looking at the soundtrack Patrick Gleason was a synth guy. He got Herbie Hancock into synthesizers it seems. he did an electronic version of holst's planets got it just i mean what i would give to live in

the the world where herbie hancock did the soundtrack to plague dogs um this guy did

apparently do some work for apocalypse now and when i hear when i see that i'm like oh okay i think i know which parts of apocalypse now i did you know hearing like classic rock like vietnam rock well this is this is more of a synth experiment guy i'm talking about like the like the surreal synth tones in apocalypse now you know he was responsible for that stuff this this was a synth guy i think when i used to do i used to do a review site for a bunch of obscure psychedelic albums i think i probably did a few of these guys solo albums at that point in time

i'm i'm blanking on the name because i didn't think we're going to get into a synth um patrick gleason what was uh not gleason though but there was a guy that did the lord of the rings album bo hansen i think if you're not familiar highly recommended if you're into that my brain went to

jeff wayne's war of the world so which uh oh and you said you tried to watch the new one which you couldn't get through which makes sense you don't get through the new one unless you have to do a

podcast on or something yeah i mean i was like i'm not going to talk about this with anyone and it's is bad so there's there's no reason play a quick review or the world like i wanted to keep watching plague dogs and see it through you know it was like it's legitimately a good movie even though

it's to watch once it's definitely not it's not a it's not a two view but it's a very good one view

people should watch it that one time if you if i find out that you're casually watching plague dogs on a regular basis then like like i put it on at night when i have insomnia

yeah i stopped calling i'll stop texting slowly over time watching the dog's brain drip out of his head puts me to sleep yeah that's that's not good you don't you don't want that does his brains drip out though it's like they don't i'm i'm being i'm i'm speaking with poetic floweriness but it does have it starts off colored it's got the blue bandages and because they're out in the wild you know by the middle of the movie they're gone and it is like exposed brain right which is

It does look like it's all like raw and meaty and it's kind of got like some some very fresh stitching in there. And he keeps talking about hearing flies. He's like, do you hear those flies buzzing? And it's really creepy because, again, like if this were any other company, they'd almost slapstick it a little bit. You know, he'd be like walking into trees and you'd see like Tweety birds and stuff.

that's where john hurt is just the perfect voice actor because he can walk that line and it

doesn't become whimsical you know yeah not at all no it's every every time something that would have been whimsical in any other movie it gets very serious in this one you're like oh my god this this dog is slowly dying from brain injury and you're just gonna watch it which i think is probably like the metaphor for the beginning of this movie where you're just watching a dog

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enjoy responsibly that's kind of this movie like the whole entire movie is watching a few couple dogs just slowly drown in their different ways yeah i mean this is the thing it's like

geez if you make this movie you do have to just live with it for however long i mean making this movie since i was just i was reading a book a david lynch book it's it's interesting it's a biography autobiography it has one chapter written by a friend that's biography style and then he responds with an autobiographical chapter but at some point they interview the editor of inland empire the three-hour movie and she's like i understand it's really good but i hate it because i had to watch the three-hour movie like 80 times or more right like 100 times you know because i edited it so um mad max fury road they shot like an insane amount of footage and his wife like edited it so she basically spent three weeks just watching the raw footage i mean when you're making a movie you do that how can you possibly like it at that point you know you know especially when

it's like the same thing working in like recording studios or even in disney doing animation you would think that like like certain songs after you've heard it tens of thousands of times but i don't know sometimes like you still like the song even later on or in the same thing in video if i was editing a video or like a small little section of animation or something like i still wouldn't mind seeing it in its final form later on but i absolutely know people that like wouldn't even be able to hear the song through a wall wouldn't be able to like see it even on a movie

on a screen that they had worked on even if it were on mute when i was in college for a little bit i worked at the warner brothers studio store if anyone remembers one of those and they had like you know the video loop which would only change a little bit every month so i heard you know um beautiful strangers is when that's like an austin powers movie came out so i you know that would 30 minutes on the dot it's time for beautiful stranger i still like that song okay yeah also in the loop was a uh goo goo dolls iris and bare naked ladies uh one week and i didn't like

those songs to start with right so yeah it's one of those i can hear it now in my head thank you for that now oh i certainly can because it was on the video loop at the same time

the other thing when i left the warner brothers studio store now they've been closed shuttered for what 20 years but i i put a suggestion in the employee box that like which because we had the uniform is black jeans a black polo with like a little bugs bunny you know on it i was like everyone i put in the in the employee suggestion box that everyone should have to wear a bugs bunny suit wouldn't that be great there's someone just depressed that day standing at the counter in a bugs bunny suit paid minimum wage which is like back then was five dollars they paid slightly more in minimum wage so uh slightly more by 15 yeah nice yeah something like that yeah in the late 90s that's it uh you got notes right so or or i i don't know do i think we already did the

plot more or less it's you know i mean yeah they get out plot um and the one thing that i left out at the very end which i guess is the namesake of this movie of plague dogs is that instead of this lab and the government admitting all the crazy experiments they were they didn't come out on the news and say okay so one dog we sort of lobotomize another one we slowly drowned over and over again multiple times until the point where it hates water like instead of all that they just basically say we were testing for the bubonic plague and we will stop now and we will stop now yeah they didn't they didn't go into any more talk about the drowning and it kind of ends with a phone call of someone like what's that sir oh terminate the project okay and then he hangs up the phone and then you never see the facility again but the implication is that all the animals

are now now dead all right they just which is how mk outro has been shuttered since the 70s right

that's how all yeah all the kids um so except for 11 basically so i guess that's the plot of the movie but then the snitter guy the one that had like the brain issues that were going on and they don't like specify exactly what they're doing but you get the idea that we're just kind of opening up its head and poking it and sewing it back up just to see what would happen and this is based on an actual um experiments which i don't look up if you are a huge fan of dogs but his name was Dr. Ferdeskew and he was basically doing brain manipulations on mental state and he wanted to see if he could replicate something in a novel called William Golding's Pinscher Martin and Pinscher Martin they're both very much related to that Dr. Kurt Richter stuff where it's like how much can you abuse an animal to like the brink of its death and then bring it back and then keep bringing it back to that it's almost like going to the gym but instead of working out your muscles you're working on your mortality i guess or like how close you can get to death and bring yourself back so the one thing that they're saying as they're leaving this facility for the first time when ralph and snitter are doing it and they look at the rabbits and they look at the rats and there's kind of like a haunting question where one of them says and i can't i think snitter is the one that's optimistic and ralph is the one that like humans urged out to hurt us and snitter says why do they do it i'm not a bad dog and then they say something like there must be a reason for it it must do some sort of good that's the that's the only silver lining you get in here and i think that that's basically the whole question of the entire movie is that quote of like there must be a reason for it must do some sort of good but why are they doing any of this well snitter is just

bad luck for all humans right you know the owner dies because he pushes him out of the road um i had to look it up at wiki there is a page for accidental shotgun release for the guy they eat in the woods right so um it's an accident both of those are accidents but he was there and it's like he's 10 gen he's not responsible at all he's like he said i'm not a bad dog but he's there for bad

stuff well so that one i can understand although it's it's not the it's the dog's fault but it's not like a thing that the dog would do again because it was such a freak accident so i guess yeah one of the things is that after they run out of this lab they start to starve because now they're just lap dogs that have like run out into the wild and they hadn't been fed for like a day or two before they escape anyways so their next big primary focus is how do we get food and luckily one of them comes across a guy and the guy's like hey i'm gonna give you some food little guy and they're like out hunting.

and the the hunter i guess when he goes to call snitter over he rests his gun like against the tree or something and snitter jumps up and his paw goes onto the trigger of the shotgun which happened to be pointed at the guy's head at this exact moment this is kind of like gun safety 101 you should never flag yourself you should never have a shotgun right he's not a bad dog he's a

he's bad luck you know oh is it chicago guitarist he's like hey this gun's not loaded

terry cats is dead great guitarist like well sure but except a dog didn't just fly out of nowhere and like jump on the trigger while it was conveniently pointed in the same like it was the guy's fault but again now you've got this poor snitter dog with like brain surgery showing on his head like he looks gruesome and he's got a body count and they're talking about it on the news this dog shot this guy essentially and then because they're starving i mean if there's just a body there why wouldn't you eat one but i think i think they end up eating a different guy a third guy dies right there's a third guy yes and they have a little fox friend and the fox sort of like gets the guy to slip and fall i don't know exactly i don't know if i can

he's got a little more malice towards humans because he's a fox right you don't people don't

have foxes as pets well he knows what he's doing to an extent he realizes that this human is putting himself in danger whereas snitter had never considered anyone's gonna get hurt he just like does dumb things and people get hurt but yeah the fox lures this guy as he's climbing the guy slips falls dies and then the plague dogs are finally like food and they eat the dude but you don't you don't see it on camera but you see the aftermath of it i mean that's how snitter goes

he wants a master he really wants a master that he keeps saying that through the movie which is like be your own master but he's a dog so i don't know uh if you can be i'm sure well ralph it's

kind of his own master isn't he i mean yeah but but he's without his own master and without any food and without any protection or any you know anything that snitter wants the master for like to snitter he wants the master but the master comes with food and safety and protection and shelter right ralph just doesn't want a master because he's so distrustful rightfully so after being drowned who knows how many times uh by humans he's like i'm done with humans like he'd he'd probably be okay just starving to death instead of drowning to death which he does not do because they make it to the island at the end right staples business presents facility heroes

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terms and conditions apply uh i also thought it was interesting with his animation uh getting back to that david lynch uh it's talking about cinematography david always be like make it darker he'd want like such dark images and ralph's animation just seemed to be kind of like this

void of darkness you know i just imagine someone like david all the lights are off like this is This scene is pure black. Nobody can see. Darker. Darker.

Watch Lost Highway. Watch Eraserhead. It gets dark, you know. You got to boost the game a little bit on that. But I definitely noticed that just that. And I was very impressed. Like they were able to kind of do that with Ralph. Like it's just Ralph almost seemed like a void in a lot of the shots.

You know, there was another one, too. There's a smaller dog. It was like a Yorkie or a Pekingese or something called Flatface. At the very beginning of this, I just don't want to leave her out because she was kind of creepy, too, because they're they're talking about the white coats and she's like, oh, the white coats made me sick. But then they made me better. But then they made me really sick again. And then they're going to make me better again. Like you can tell that the experiment that Flatface was going through was probably some sort of, you know, injection or something. But all these dogs were having the exact same thing done to them, bringing them to the brink of death, and then bringing them back from it.

So no matter which, like one of them was water, one of them was an illness, one of them was brain surgery, but every one of these instances was like them pushing it to the most extreme limit. And then again, in the beginning, you see that sometimes they push the dogs a little too hard. And they even say like, oh, I guess this little fella had too much.

I mean, I'm not going to say don't have moral failings and such, but I just can't see how you could do that job. Geez, as a person.

i i mean but think about if you worked at like a meatpacking plant or like the guy that that shoots the bolt into the brain of the cows or whatever as they're going through or the fda inspector that like watches all the carcasses go through constantly i think at a certain point you you disassociate from it right you stop naming your dog right right right exactly i'm seeing

you're thinking if i've had any job that ever really pushed those i haven't worked with animals

or anything so uh oil samples like a snake um or it i guess it depends on what level you bring it down to right like i had when i was growing up i had a turtle and i had like lizards that i'd catch outside and stuff but then usually you bought you go out and you buy crickets or meal worms for them right i mean some people might oh i love this sequence from the movie road trip

where tom green's trying to feed a snake you know well that's that's what i'm saying is like

you work up to it in scale so most people not all people most people like if it's a mealworm and you're feeding it to like your your uh frog or to like your lizard or whatever it's not the same level as like herding a rabbit but it's kind of just the the matter of scale and the closer the animal maybe looks to you and shares traits with you the more sympathetic you are to it but if it's just like some grotesque little like anthropod with the googly eyes and spikes all over its body

you're like yeah whatever i don't feel bad for that one yeah i'm also thinking of strays like um i i see tons of cats all over the place i mean i think that's the same in america right uh cats all over you see a stray cat yesterday there was one walking down the road towards me i was curious so we're going to walk past each other like people but it ran off into the uh into the farm field right uh but the stray dog is a little bit more threatening i guess you know it's got sharper

teeth it's more likely to bite you maybe there was a night quick tangent story but there was a night my uh i hadn't seen a friend in a long time and he got dropped off on my street like not in front of my house because he like i guess forgot where i had lived it had been like five or six years since i'd seen him um anyways he gets dropped off at the end of my street and just coincidentally it's like 2 a.m there's a freaking cat like a hurt cat right where this uber driver drops my friend off and he doesn't he you know he's just like oh it's you know random neighborhood cat and like pets it and he walks down to my house the cat follows him all the way to my house and comes up like to like my door as i'm letting my friend in and the cat had like a bandage wrapped around him that had like blood on it and he was like mute like it felt it felt so bad so took care of him and everything uh and like sent him off you know on his way and like gave him some food and stuff and uh and i felt bad but it was like i can't i i don't want another cat right now so i was like

i'm gonna help you out unfortunately you did not get you didn't shoot yourself with a shotgun

either so that no i mean that was that was the main reason i didn't want him to become my cat is i was afraid that that could have happened but it yeah it's it's sort of like sad that you know i guess bob barker neuter and spare your pets kids uh let's see what else i have

in my notes head like a hole is bad unless you're trent reznor i'm obsessing that hey where's the where did you learn about bubonic plague i i have a little story for that this is a where did i

learn about i don't know sixth grade seventh grade i just i i learned about bubonic plague

from the uh from a comic book a havoc and wolverine meltdown where they try to kill wolverine by giving him bubonic plague and that's actually where i first learned about it so is that because

you were reading the comic during class and you didn't pay attention to it when they taught you

but then you read about it later in a comic oh no i was reading in a car i'm pretty sure i read in a car long road trips i would just read a giant stack of comic books those are those are kind of good ones they're like weird painted comics not not like not like the marvels where it's like like really realistic it's like this impressionistic it's a pretty cool comic book i you know i'll recommend that to people go check out havoc and wolverine's meltdown link link below probably not yeah yeah probably not i think it involves chernobyl as well so you might want to check that out if you don't know it i think you might find something there um you mentioned the

fox i guess it's worth pointing out that just like in fox and the hound this fox's name is todd I don't know.

but that's because the name for a fox is todd so it's like a cheeky inside joke i guess it's

not a coincidence okay yeah yeah we got the fox here this is such a weird parallel to disney's fox and the hound which makes it worth talking about here where that movie you know pulls its punches and this one punches you in the face as hard as it can except that they make it to the island again live happily ever after they pulled a punch there if they ever make a pixar or live

action fox and the hound i will be expecting a pixar live action plague dogs no i have the note

in here this is a bit a little bit like grave of the fireflies for dogs which is the the war orphans

that go off and starve you know i haven't seen it in full yet i kept trying to put it on and like other things would happen and you like i don't want to be depressed out of my mind yeah i haven't see it yet but i feel like we'll we'll have to do that it's a masterpiece just put it out there

it's a mat just like this like this movie is very good not gonna watch it again you know grave of the fireflies hey i might have to watch again you might have to watch it again but yeah it's a one-time deal we had a guest coming on for that and she was like after the opening credits was weeping and backed out um just the credits was too much she couldn't do it unlike fox and

the hound in this movie todd definitely dies it happens off camera but you you definitely see that he dies because the military is after them well the military is after the dogs and as they're chasing the dogs they kind of sneak away but the dogs get distracted by the scent of todd and then the camera kind of like points just slightly over to the side and you hear the dogs going at it it's like four german shepherds and then one of the military guys walks up and he's like oh they got a fox and he just holds up like the end of the tail like Todd's not coming back and I think at that point Ralph is just telling Snitter like oh no Todd's fine but like Ralph knows he's not

dead he's sleeping yeah he's just

sleeping he's off to the farm

I wrote it looks like I wrote four quotes from this movie and I should just read them all back to back and after I read that anyone that didn't watch this already will know if they want to watch it or not getting crazier all the time i'm inside my head now and it's where i should be uh there's two more they're trying to make it too cold for us to live we won't need food when we're dead that's like kind of like a plot description for this movie almost those four

quotes you know and the the two ones that i had were or the three the flies in my head they keep buzzing that was a really good one uh here's another oh this one was probably a pretty bad one it was in the very beginning when they shatter like a glass to get through something and he says the the it's made the floor sharp and blood will run out of your nose if you smell it

actually getting back though it was fascinating because that's kind of that and then just the weird dog logic like that or the oh they're making it cold too cold for us to live oh now oh they're smart they can follow our tracks now oh but they're not that smart because the tracks get covered up although it does work out because they follow the tracks so for the humans i mean

the the well there's the two last quotes is one is suspend work completely sir and that's when it pans to the monkey and then you don't see animals anymore so you assume that they kill them all and then the very end of this movie as the correct so at the end the Todd dies the two dogs make a run for on the beach and they jump into the ocean and they just start swimming as much as they can and like the entire armies behind them shooting at them like shooting into the ocean trying to hit these dogs it's hard that's a hard target okay but so Ralph is telling snitter because ralph again is the one that has been drowned over and over again so in theory based on the experiments that they were doing he should be able to swim for like 40 hours or so maybe not because like he's you know old plague dog but what's suggesting as a fear of

water having been drowned so much but he has more of a fear of bullets which is the correct

right it wins out over drowning so he has a realistic chance of maybe getting to the island after all snitter on the other hand was not trained to drown but he's getting this hope constantly from ralph who's like keep swimming we're almost there we're almost there and then like the camera just keeps panning out further and further until you don't see the dogs anymore and the music that starts playing and the credits start to roll so it's up to you if you think they make it or not but the song they play finding great candidates to hire can be like well trying to find a needle in a haystack sure you can post

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remember the exact lyrics i i thought this was a good because we did some disney movies the rescuers i remember had that song we're like what why you know this one actually did fit into the

movie well i thought so they were they're really trying to make you think that they don't make it to the island at the end but i'm i'm too smart for them i know that those dogs made it to that island and then there was plenty of food there and there was no other problems it's it's they

there's a house in the country on that island yes um although my last note my last note is they're going to old yeller themselves question mark so you know that that's the thing with this movie it's so dark it's at the end it's like they're giving you a little sliver do we take

the sliver you know when you say they go old yeller at the end i mean snitter does know how

to work a shotgun now that's true or well or he doesn't i mean that's maybe why it went off you know accidental shotgun release suggests maybe you don't know how to work a shotgun you could do a

recut of plague dogs and make it like like two dogs on the loose one of them is a is have on a murder rampage and it just shows like all the different death that they're causing these people and then it shows them oh yeah one of the people like you could do a super cut of this movie and turn the plague dogs into the bad guys have you shot many shotguns uh i used to do three gun

competitions regularly yeah okay i only do it once i went skeet shooting once and had a blast and then the next week i just had a giant bruise on my shoulder yeah if you see my my competition

shotgun but it's got like a pad on a pad on a pad okay i just went raw dogging the the shotgun on my shoulder so yeah the thing is if you're just doing it like once or twice then most people don't care or know about it but if you're going to go like every other weekend then you need to figure out a way to not just turn your shoulder into applesauce it's like in the cello section

orchestras it's the one guy that puts like three cushions on his chair because exactly it's exactly

the same uh cello and shooting a shotgun they're exactly that's right that's right uh did you have

any other uh notes you really wanted to jump into on this one uh just thank you for me making me watch this or whoever suggested it to you thank you for that who thank you what's their name he's a dom a dominic oh we got we got dom so thank you for making us watch plague dogs a movie that i wouldn't recommend to anybody but not because it's a bad i'll recommend it once i'll recommend you watch it once i don't even know that man you know what though if you recommend it to someone you have to lead with hey you want to watch a cartoon where a dog drowns and then another one dies all within less than five minutes and if they're if they're still listening and they haven't walked away then you can suggest they're still willing to talk to you yeah yeah they're still willing to talk to you then you can suggest it but really there there's just so many people that would never want to watch this and if you suggested it to them they'll never take another movie you

suggested them ever again in my opinion it's just fascinating like this is a great movie and i wish

i didn't know it existed you know and how did it get a budget how did this make it this it almost

feels like it's a water ship down because water ship down was somewhat successful and that you follow up same director book from the same guy makes sense you know and yeah that's how this happens it's built on a previous success right well and it has to basically be built on a book

that probably had some success to it too because otherwise even the first Watership Down movie is like what the hell am I watching right now what's happened to these poor rabbits

it looks like the band Skinny Puppy sampled from this movie

I mean it seems like it would give you some good street cred you're like I sampled plague dogs

yeah this does seem like a good one to go for um what do i know budget oh wow this was okay this movie did not make any money probably because it was too dark 6 million budget uh 400 000 box office so uh did people did eat their lunch on this one they deserve to they were experimenting on animals they killed dogs i yeah i mean i don't

think i would have bought a ticket for this one either i don't even i mean i watched it for free on youtube without any ads so they didn't make any money off of my watch either rightio uh i guess

we'll wind this one down uh if you want to talk about what you do on youtube if it's play dogs

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podcasts wherever you listen to podcasts on my end if this movie didn't depress you enough you can go to films and filth where we did recently cover grave of the fireflies it's on the top 100 films on imdb list so again great movie you don't want to watch it more than once but you probably should watch that one time i might have to watch it twice because we might do it again here but films and filth podcast do a podcast east.org that's what i gotta say okay just keep swimming man. We're going to make it to the island.

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