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Ron's Gone Wrong: Skynet Was Always the Plan | Occult Disney** — [style: controversial]
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Ron's Gone Wrong: Skynet Was Always the Plan | Occult Disney** — [style: controversial]

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July 23, 2026 | 01:05:49 | Society & Culture, Documentary, Fiction, Science Fiction, History | Explicit

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Ron's Gone Wrong isn't a cute robot movie — it's a thinly veiled occult parable about surveillance capitalism, AI enslavement, and the death of human autonomy. In this episode of Occult Disney, Matt and his co-host dig deep into the hidden symbolism and esoteric themes buried inside the 2021 animated film Ron's Gone Wrong — from its tech-bubble corporate imagery and Pavlovian conditioning metaphors to its disturbing parallels with nanotechnology, the 'black goo' conspiracy, and the Matrix. They explore why this Fox/Disney-adjacent film may be one of the most unexpectedly prophetic warnings about social media, AI companions, and the jailbreaking of human consciousness ever smuggled into a kids' movie. **Tags:** Ron's Gone Wrong occult symbolism, occult disney podcast, disney conspiracy, AI symbolism in film, ron's gone wrong analysis, esoteric disney, hidden meaning animated movies, tech cult symbolism
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there's no way the story just doesn't end with a technological apocalyptic dystopia you know

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ask about illuminati our cult disney we teach a cult to everybody our cult disney our cult disney as above so below our cult disney please enjoy the show

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hello welcome to the occult disney podcast we're all going wrong today with ron it's ron's going wrong but i'm not ron i'm matt it's thomas going wrong

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those are half of my notes i've just written that over and over and over again

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see that didn't stick in my head because uh maybe because i teach lots of kids that always do like annoying things so uh i you would not you can't imagine how much six seven i've had to deal with

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in the past few months i feel like you might not know this about me but i'm very annoying when i'm not recording like if if i'm just reading or if i'm just watching uh tv by myself or something i'm probably doing something like that i'm probably repeating tiki tiki tiki it's probably like much lower i'm not like like singing it out loud but uh it's happening at least

00:02:22 - 00:02:40 | Speaker 2:

in my brain well uh one of my other podcast mates luke um years back we would we would hike up to temples and record them live on our our films and films podcast plug there uh live at temples and sometimes we're walking along and i'm here mumbling and he was extensively practicing his

00:02:40 - 00:03:15 | Speaker 4:

sean connery impression to himself that's a lot i mean i i appreciate that and i respect that i guess mine was a little different where if i didn't have a way to listen to music or something i could just hear noise and turn that into a song there was like a leaky faucet or a fan in the middle of the night that doesn't even have a regular rhythm to it i can kind of force it into one in my mind and just turn anything into a song after a while which also means that like i can put up with really annoying noises that go on for very long periods of time that drive other people

00:03:15 - 00:03:48 | Speaker 2:

crazy ah okay i've had several very bad songs bopping in my head for anywhere from one to 20 years that i you know i'm not going to be recording any of them so let's put it that way you don't violate any uh copyright either but if i had a b-bot where i could just hum my stupid song to i could let it ai create that song without me really doing anything right i just have to sing it to it once so that's that's too much for even like me to do with an ai like that would take effort but with a b-bot i could just like kind of get it started and let it do its own thing i think

00:03:48 - 00:04:12 | Speaker 4:

when you say b-bot i don't even know how many people would understand what's that even a reference to because until we watched this movie right ron's gone wrong which is not a great title for a movie but until we watched it you wouldn't even really have kind of an idea so a b-bats with like an iphone mixed with a robot yeah it's like mighty bean are you know mighty beans are

00:04:12 - 00:04:29 | Speaker 2:

i'm not sure but i've been going into the uh supermarket after work sometimes and and it's always after work so they've kind of rolled up the the carpet but there seems to be a large robot display like you know temporary setup where they're um demoing rope like domestic robots

00:04:29 - 00:04:39 | Speaker 4:

for people or something like fun robots we don't we don't really i haven't seen a whole lot of stores or any sections pop up yet but you're in japan so maybe you get cool robots before i get

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cool robots yeah i i saw awesome you know like 20 years ago right uh what are the we got the ones that beck was had did a video there dan those are all 20 years ago though that's all that's old

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news we got better robots now well the the ones in this movie look like these things called mighty beans mighty beans were early 2000s maybe early

00:05:00 - 00:05:27 | Speaker 2:

2010s and they look like little pills but they're magnets it actually looks like a time release pill I'm sure kids probably choked and died on these things all the time but they're like magnetic and you would put them into like a little arena and they would fight like two magnets kind of fighting it out but if you just made a small one of those bigger that's kind of what these b-bots are which is also sort of like the Eve robot in WALL-E that was the other thing that kind of struck me that okay

00:05:27 - 00:06:06 | Speaker 1:

yeah she's clearly more sophisticated and uh well none of these b-bots have emotional intelligence until ron's um weird cracking of the conspiracy theory emotional wall allows all the robots to be friends or something i don't know it's a weird ending i mean i get to the ending straight away on this because you watched it or you're probably not going to i don't think we're going to convince you to um actually when we got on we were talking because you said you were having like a few weeks on ray on the last dragon i was like oh my god i can't keep this film in my mind and it sounds like you're having that with this film where it did stick okay in my mind for whatever reason

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it took it took me a while to snap it all back into place i think but those were the main visuals imagine a eve robot from wally except you can customize her skin kind of like fortnite style right but everyone's got these things except for this this kid barney and barney does all the typical disney proxy stuff his mom's dead and you know he's an outcast but he's got this extra layer that he's the literally the only kid at the entire school that doesn't have one of these iphones or one of these b-bots so he stands out as like a complete weirdo and nobody likes him

00:06:45 - 00:07:12 | Speaker 1:

because he doesn't have one of these little b-bots i i'm like almost like you know it's like the when you're like i don't have a tv you know i i do but uh yeah people are like i don't have a tv at home that's kind of like i don't have a b-bot right which it we get a little bit of i guess the trajectory of how this is but how long have these kids had b-bots is this like just this school year is it like been 10 years you know uh it's a little unclear i guess i assume that it's

00:07:12 - 00:07:30 | Speaker 2:

it could potentially be something just all kids have always had like the same way that a kid right now that gets old enough to be aware like oh i don't have this thing that everybody has right what's that first grade second grade i mean what's in japan do children have smartphones in japan

00:07:30 - 00:07:42 | Speaker 1:

right now uh yeah yeah of course um and then or the elementary school kids have the ones where it's just like four buttons like it'll call four people right but okay so elementary school you've

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got children with smartphones or dumb phones i guess and at a certain point you get a smartphone so this i guess this is a middle version of that yeah they make it clear this is middle school i

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feel like most i think most middle school students in japan would have phones um i i'm sure there's rules like don't bring it to school or whatever but uh you know in my classes sometimes we're doing an essay they're like can i look up some words on my phone i'm like sure they're probably

00:08:07 - 00:08:47 | Speaker 2:

just ai in the whole essay but whatever well this this one i think they've been around a long enough in the movie world that they've been institutionalized because if you notice right there in the hallway there's a huge little area where all the b-bots go and they store themselves between classes right so it's it's so normalized that at this point all the kids have a place to put it which i think is kind of similar to kids that go to school in certain places you got to put your smartphone in like a rfid blocked you know faraday cage wallet so that it can't be a distraction until like the end of the school day that might be more private schools yeah this one's public for

00:08:47 - 00:09:35 | Speaker 1:

sure though so yeah let's say that's been around five years one of the reasons i'm bringing this up is because um i think both of us uh even even with a bit of an age difference are in that kind of rarefied generation where we fully lived without the internet but we also lived um with the internet and being internet literate right because a lot of say boomers you know it's like i don't know how to work the phone right so but we've been internet literate and we've also lived fully without the internet so that's why i'm kind of thinking about these kids like they got b-bots now are they in a world where they always live with the b-bots and um that makes um bernard like completely bizarre right or has it just been like a year or two and they know both versions of of this technological diaspora.

00:09:35 - 00:09:38 | Speaker 2:

Are you Gen X or are you millennial?

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You know what? I am in a... I'm born in 79 and I never quite know what I should say.

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I think, I might be wrong, if we can pull it up the chart or something, but I believe that you are on the very tail end of Gen X.

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That's what I think, yes.

00:09:54 - 00:10:24 | Speaker 2:

I think the millennial starts 1980 or so. Maybe this is... That's the defining little spot, I guess, between the two. But I think millennials is the same thing. It's Gen X and millennials that were around before internet and computers were completely normalized in pop culture. And then also extending into now where it's so ubiquitous that you don't even have to really know how to use any of these tools to actually use them.

00:10:24 - 00:10:43 | Speaker 4:

yeah i've seen clickbait articles that are uh that argue that you know like about 79 to 81 is like this weird micro generation because it's uh partly because of that internet it makes me so special yes uh you know whoever's writing that maybe it's self self self therapy

00:10:43 - 00:10:50 | Speaker 2:

life insurance now that i got you feeling old enough why do i feel disconnected with the world

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maybe it's because i'm in a weird micro generation and now i write an article for

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vulture right so that's kind of how that works see the he-man movie must um this has a lot i

00:11:02 - 00:11:24 | Speaker 4:

brought up raya earlier and one of the other reasons is because this is equally pandemic-y um again animators working on their own voice actors uh working on their own i i don't know which specific one but one of them had to ask their family to stop using the internet because the bandwidth wasn't high enough to do the voice work for this film so i didn't hate it man that

00:11:24 - 00:11:45 | Speaker 2:

again this is probably a better example of that remote work can work so i didn't and and again i think we have to clarify that this one is not a disney proper in the normal way it was it's owned by disney but technically it wasn't a disney animation and it wasn't a pixar yeah this is a

00:11:45 - 00:12:16 | Speaker 4:

fox like um the the bird one birds and spies in disguise uh this is the in that lineage uh so it was full it started in 2017 in production it took a little while uh apparently it was going to be based in the uk because the the people that you know thought of this film uh were british or whatever but at some point i was like if these robots are going to be so ingrained in society it probably needs to be california you know near near the tech hub and the the name b bot stands

00:12:16 - 00:12:43 | Speaker 2:

for bubble bot because they're made in this big company that looks like a big bubble and inside the big bubble are other little bubble offices so the whole i think the whole thing is an inside joke about tech bubbles that can pop easily and it's on the edge of this big dam like the water So, like, it definitely seems like there's some self-criticism in this 3D-generated movie.

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00:13:46 - 00:14:14 | Speaker 4:

if it did not have the disney branding on it it might seem a lot better even with no changes i'm like this one while distributed by disney it was on disney plus blah blah but it doesn't have the disney branding and i was it when i was watching i was like oh if this did have a big disney logo on it and i was expecting that quality of animation would this be more disappointing and i never quite answered that question by the way i did like the movie but i didn't love it you

00:14:14 - 00:15:34 | Speaker 2:

know this one had a few things that stood out to me as not totally on disney brand and it's just they're like such minor little details but for example there was a joke where the grandma that is kind of like the one motherly figure in this but barney's grandma she has this line about mending her own hernia with a bread knife and vodka and it was kind of funny the way it was kind of like you know pull yourself up by your bootstraps like when i was a you know younger i fixed my own hernia with a bread knife and a and a shot of vodka and i guess just like mending a hernia with vodka maybe not something you would expect to see in a Disney movie but it's also not necessarily it doesn't make it like pg-13 or anything i don't think i don't know what was this movie rated i assume pg i have trouble yes it was pg there we go it happens to be on the poster sorry sometimes i have trouble finding the uh ratings but here it is straight on poster pg uh and apparently uh donka the grandmother uh was kind of um edited i mean they made the whole movie of course but when they did the final edit the test screenings kids really liked donka the the grandmother so they made sure that they weren't cutting any material with her basically made sure she was fully featured there

00:15:34 - 00:16:25 | Speaker 1:

was there was another other joke that it felt like on the edge and again this isn't like disney could never do this you know they would never they're too woke or anything it's not that edgy a film it just felt like slightly off brand for disney which obviously it was because not a disney movie um but there was this running joke that barney's bebot that is malfunctioning goes out and tries to make friends with mountain public but it ends up like kidnapping people like i kidnapped an old lady and it was like hello barney like here's your new friend edna or whatever it was like edna and when it's describing her hobbies it's like edna likes to it's like please i'll do anything just to let me go home to my family you know and it was it was these funny jokes and i guess i don't see as many funny kidnapping jokes in disney movies uh maybe because that's a lot

00:16:25 - 00:16:42 | Speaker 2:

for yeah disney's notorious for never quite being as good at humor that's the whole mickey mouse uh bugs bunny thing it's like yeah i mean the warner brothers is good but it's not as refined as disney animation but but you know bugs bunny is a lot funnier than mickey mouse right i don't know i

00:16:42 - 00:17:16 | Speaker 1:

don't know if it's a humor thing though i think that it's almost like there is a line about whether or not you can joke about kidnapping like in disney movies so many people get kidnapped constantly but in a disney movie kidnapping seems like it's always traumatic there's you never really make light of a kidnapping whereas in these non-disney you know sony style movies you can get kidnapped and laugh about it right i don't know maybe like because i can't think of a single instance maybe the closest ones would be rescuers down under but even then that's a very

00:17:16 - 00:18:40 | Speaker 2:

serious kidnapping they make it kind of scary um just kind of trying to f close my production loop here but uh the director writer this co-director writer uh it was sarah smith who uh have you seen arthur christmas it seems that's her other big film from sounds familiar we'll have to add it to the list yeah yeah i mean that's that's if anyone out there especially is like you guys gotta do arthur christmas sure but yeah that seems are you saying arthur like the the book arthur oh uh i gotta click on their extra link or two i don't think so is it not it's it's it looks like you know an animated um something christmas comedy film yeah well of course okay not an art park uh oh here's a little interesting it's a co-production of sony and aardman aardman did the uh wallace and gromit stuff and chicken run and stuff but i don't i think this one is cgi so yeah anyway that that that is definitely a tangent uh as far as this one where are we oh uh you mentioned the bubble a little bit and i did find it we are special when they're doing the presentation like this is the sphere the vegas sphere like four years before the vegas sphere opened i guess the vegas somewhat you know maybe people already knew the plans and stuff but this is exactly what the sphere is now

00:18:40 - 00:19:32 | Speaker 1:

you know well yeah it was it's the Vegas sphere and it's just the concept of a bubble and there was also all the VR helmets and stuff that have been coming out around the time of this movie so the premise of having these screens that are constantly surrounding you but not only is your environment a screen but this little thing that you're constantly looking at is also a screen so whether you look you know down Whether you look at the inside or the outside, you're going to be surrounded by screens constantly. I guess the better vision would be somebody sitting inside the big eye of Vegas and all the screens projecting all the stuff around them. But then they're distracted looking at their phone at a smaller screen inside of a room full of bigger screens. That's kind of the premise of this movie and the whole running joke that everyone lives in this bubble.

00:19:32 - 00:19:44 | Speaker 2:

um we we already said this is off-brand disney because it's fox so that automatically makes it off-brand right is it off-brand baymax yeah absolutely i know but

00:19:44 - 00:20:08 | Speaker 1:

my first note on here aside from the mighty beans was that this is kind of like big hero six especially the way that it starts up and it kind of adapts to whatever you want it to be but it also has this round. soft-edged, sort of altruistic look to it. It doesn't look like it could harm you necessarily. At least not right out of the box.

00:20:09 - 00:20:18 | Speaker 2:

Yeah. Although another big influence on the filmmakers, at least, they said that they kind of were thinking of the Spike Jonze film, Her. Have you seen Her?

00:20:20 - 00:20:24 | Speaker 1:

With the bad guy from Gladiator, Joaquin Phoenix, I think.

00:20:24 - 00:20:34 | Speaker 2:

Joaquin Phoenix, yeah, right, where everyone basically becomes obsessed with their phone's ai's and fall in love with them and then the phone ai's listen to um cyber alan watts and transcend

00:20:34 - 00:20:40 | Speaker 1:

to the next dimension at the end or something so this is just her for children yes her for children

00:20:40 - 00:20:44 | Speaker 2:

i mean that that seems to be the main which is a weird thing because that movie is definitely

00:20:44 - 00:21:37 | Speaker 1:

not for children if you've seen her yeah but i mean that's kind of the premise a little bit except in this one i felt the analogy was way closer to just having an iphone and social media Because I guess even more than the technology that having this little thing that's like your little buddy carrying you around, really, it was just a cheap medium to talk about social media stuff and how kids are recording themselves and changing their personalities and getting shaped into these, like putting themselves in corners based on their social media following. like should a seventh grader really have to worry about how many followers they have but i guess that that's real that's the actual world we're living in right now is that there's seventh graders that are worried about if they've got 10 000 followers or 100 000 and the final scene

00:21:37 - 00:21:46 | Speaker 2:

in the movie has a couple kids talking to each other watching all the b-bots right so they've now separated themselves from the b-bots and this is pretty much how the matrix gets started isn't

00:21:46 - 00:21:52 | Speaker 1:

it the humans start to lose what do you mean they're watching the b-bots um he's talking to

00:21:52 - 00:22:17 | Speaker 2:

his middle school girlfriend or whatever at the end and i guess he doesn't have one anymore he gave up uh ron to make everyone else's b-bots more friendly but now these b-bots are a little more sentient apparently because of this code and uh what about when the kids get distracted or the the robots get lonely themselves isn't this how the matrix gets started you the b-bots you up at the un and uh with with flowers on their hand and a top hat i mean this might be a great

00:22:17 - 00:24:13 | Speaker 1:

time to do a quick little cross promo because i don't know if it's come out or not but we recorded recently an episode of cartoon cabal on paprika and paprika was about this guy that makes this little dc 10 device i think it was called that can sort of hide what is it the dc mini a little dc mini device that can hijack your dreams and it can either record them or plant into them and turns into the movie inception a little bit came before inception but the premise of that movie was that this this future device had not yet been locked down that some sort of beta version that wasn't made to lock people out got out into the world and people were using that to you know take over actual people's brains and that feels a little bit like this movie too because ron ron's gone wrong everyone has these little b-bots except one of them got damaged and the dad buys it you know it's like hey this thing fell off the back of a truck so he gets it for 80 off or whatever the deal that he finds out but it turns out that because it was damaged it also can't phone home and it can't download the patch that blocks all the stuff that robots aren't supposed to do so for example it can hurt you can punch you and attack you and throw you around um and i guess dot dot dot it could kill you is sort of the implication that we don't see it happen but that's kind of what you i believe is that this broken robot can hurt you and not only can it hurt you physically but it can be mean to you it can tell you the truth it can sort of not understand and fit according to the program all the other bots so that turns into a virus almost and it's able to spread it's unlocked so i guess this is the kid that goes to school with an unlocked iphone and he shows all of his other friends hey here's how you unlock your iphone and now the entire school has unlocked iphones and by the end of the day the entire internet has unlocked iphones

00:24:13 - 00:24:23 | Speaker 2:

right at the end of this movie when he shares the friendship code is he you know unlocking skynet i mean these b-bots are cute and round but hey if they suddenly get their hands on a gun and

00:24:23 - 00:24:57 | Speaker 1:

they are feeling violent they are terminators now you know well to continue that i guess analogy is that once everybody's unlocking their iphones then apple or in this company it's like the bubble company but their version of apple basically just finds a way to monetize it they find a way to make you you know quote-unquote jailbroken within their walled garden still so that's kind of the idea and i guess this one is more of a bill gates kind of guy that's running the show more so than to Steve Jobs. They make him look like

00:24:57 - 00:25:55 | Speaker 2:

Steve Jobs, but maybe he's functioning more like Bill Gates. yeah and then there's the young hip you know guy that should be running the company the one that's got a heart of gold but has no idea what the hell he's doing and then you've got the shark with business acumen and honestly like he was right the whole time because his premise was basically hey you you stupid idealistic silicon valley you know numbskulls even if you think you're doing something that's kind of like better for all humanity guess what you didn't put in enough filters you didn't put enough security so now someone like me can hop in here and take over the world using what you thought was going to make humanity better and i can use it to enslave humanity and i don't know i've i almost feel that it's more the fault of the young altruistic you know fun nerd like like it's really his fault more than it was bill gates fault yeah my point is

00:25:55 - 00:26:01 | Speaker 5:

you can have a heart of gold and still accidentally unleash the you know the old ones you know what

00:26:01 - 00:26:06 | Speaker 2:

is the the road to hell is paved with good intentions i guess that's exactly this movie

00:26:06 - 00:27:04 | Speaker 5:

spelt out in silicon valley yeah um i want to talk about signs and things in the movie just they were catching my eye there's three in particular uh the school is non-such uh middle school which is you know like usually it'd be like washington middle school or you know like harris or something right but they went with non-such i'm thinking of the xtc album which i think in a record label and and i think i guess i feel like there's little music cues just thrown into here later there was an l7 reference i was like that's wildly specific the you know the riot girl band from the early 90s l7 yeah no i remember l7 yeah yeah there was a very clear like l7 reference maybe on one of the b-bots or something but i i just thought the the 90s there seems to be 90s in the not indie rock but well yeah indie rock is xtc indie rock probably not 90s alternative rock um uh references in this movie which i just maybe that's for those people born from 79 to 82

00:27:04 - 00:27:25 | Speaker 2:

i don't know yeah i mean it's definitely the animators it's probably not the kids the middle schoolers in the the 2020s essentially listening to l7 i don't know maybe they're finding it in mom and dad's or me in some cases grandma and grandpa's old uh you know cds i got my daughter

00:27:25 - 00:27:39 | Speaker 5:

into a couple weird bands just by playing cds in the car when i could still do that what would she get into sugar there's a big one i mean who listens to sugar anymore i mean besides me my daughter she really likes sugar i don't get it it's bob mold second band after his i was expecting

00:27:39 - 00:27:41 | Speaker 2:

Can you just say like Lords of Acid or something?

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I was very happy. I had five minutes in the movie. I was like, oh my God, this isn't Tom Holland again. It's not Tom Holland again. So no Tom Holland voice acting. Actually, this doesn't really have that much star wattage, which might be good. We got some office guys again. And I guess the office folks really like to do voice acting. Oh, excuse me. This is the hangover reunion, not the office. We got Zach Galifianakis as Ron and Ed Helms as the dad, which, you know, they're like, sure, why not? The guy voicing Barney. Oh, he's from it. I never saw it. That's why. Okay.

00:29:29 - 00:30:01 | Speaker 2:

We've been over this a few times, but I don't need a celebrity. I appreciate a good voiceover actor. but for me the celebrity star power does nothing for me if anything it brings me out of it right because if i the second that i recognize that galifianakis's voice too much then all of a sudden i'm thinking about him in completely other movies so especially if it's like a kid's movie you know i'm thinking of the hangover which isn't really a kid's movie it's like our movie although i remember my family watch

00:30:00 - 00:30:09 | Speaker 1:

watching that in in a living room with my daughter maybe six months old at the time like in the little playpen so she we did watch it with the kid but she couldn't process yeah it doesn't really count

00:30:09 - 00:30:23 | Speaker 2:

until yeah i don't know when like what's the what's the age cut off when you can stop watching movies that like people are doing coke on the screen right uh right uh although it was funny

00:30:23 - 00:30:51 | Speaker 1:

that uh galvanakis claims when he was doing it it's the only time he's been asked by a director to uh be flatter and with less emotion because it's this you know like kind of like nascent ai that has no connection to the internet so um it's like no no less emotional so it's in that case why did you hire a celebrity just hire someone who can speak flatly you know but he did he did his job in this case at least so he pulled off the voice acting yeah i mean it was serviceable

00:30:51 - 00:31:52 | Speaker 2:

there's really no can in terms of like critical my personal critical response to this movie i really no complaints. I thought it was a good movie. I thought it was interesting. I like the premise of it. The biggest complaint, I guess, would be the ending was really freaking sappy, and I guess the story, in my mind, resolved to, hey, bullies will turn into your friends at the end, and even the people that potentially would have got you killed or at least beating you up and doing horrible things to you, they'll come around. Everything's not so bad gang that was kind of the the lesson at the end of it and it completely took me out of it right because they had so many reasons to really hone in on humans are horrible and they might kill you or technology is horrible and it might kill you but instead it was like hey everything's gonna be all right i think we might be okay i don't know it didn't like i'm okay with the optimistic message but that's not what it was building towards see i'm like i'm like this ends

00:31:52 - 00:31:56 | Speaker 1:

in the terminator the matrix this is a little optimistic bubble before things become horrible

00:31:56 - 00:32:20 | Speaker 2:

right right i almost wish there was like another like a cut like a director's cut that has another two minutes tacked on where it kind of zooms out and then it just shows like some big missile headed towards earth or something like everyone explode like you could still do it without being too black-pilled and dark but still make the point yeah i just i i'm a cynic and i want this

00:32:20 - 00:32:30 | Speaker 1:

the end of this movie be black pulled in dark for fun I mean it has to end the way it does because that's the I feel like it's like you do that one or the other right there's no in between yeah I like

00:32:30 - 00:32:42 | Speaker 2:

that like they all get together the bullies are like hey we've saved your life and then he just gets sniped just you know like a pink mist you know flies out of his head and then just slow credit rolling as the rest of his friends freak

00:32:42 - 00:32:48 | Speaker 1:

out and cry the be but it's all suddenly turn into Cylons because they could do that they look like whatever they want

00:32:48 - 00:33:02 | Speaker 2:

the the b-bot was rigged with like israeli intelligence explosives and like a piece of shrapnel like took uh took barney out at the end um what what is how much of a tech head are you i

00:33:02 - 00:33:14 | Speaker 1:

was pretty late on smartphones i didn't get my first smartphone until late 2010 which i think was basically at least at work i was like sitting there with this the captain kirk flip phone still and everyone else already had their iPhones, right?

00:33:15 - 00:33:55 | Speaker 2:

I got my first one when I joined the military and moved out and was living on my own for the first time. That was when I got my first Nokia brick 8810 series or whatever the hell it was. But after that, I got a BlackBerry. And then I think I never had my own iPhone or joined that ecosystem. When I was at Disney, we made one of the first 500 iPhone apps that ever came out. okay but but you weren't using a i had a blackberry and then eventually i went to an android at a certain point but i i was making like java apps for my blackberry in the early 2000s no because

00:33:55 - 00:34:02 | Speaker 1:

i remember a co-worker in what 2006 being very excited about the first iphone and uh i mean i

00:34:02 - 00:34:08 | Speaker 2:

had a palm pilot in the late 90s so i was i was kind of all in on the tech nerd aspect of this

00:34:08 - 00:35:29 | Speaker 1:

but those things really sucked too okay because i i was like i can organize things in my head and i mean does my phone and so many well does it make your life better and worse yeah probably which would be the same for the technology in this film i guess but yeah um the one that i get uh how's your map knowledge just out of curiosity are you good at that never been good okay because that's that's one thing i i have noticed um like my mat like when i was like four years old wherever we were in around atlanta i knew where we were like my spatial awareness was like already highly developed at age four so i generally don't want to use a map at all um i noticed a few years ago i just get a top-down map if i did use gps in the car like if i'm going somewhere new and it's increasingly getting a little more nanny about it like no i'm just showing you where you Thank you.

00:35:00 - 00:35:17 | Speaker 2:

right now follow my directions right i mean maybe you're just one of the old school freaks that still remembers how the brain used to work but the brain doesn't work the same way anymore and now i guess you're kind of a boomer like you've got boomer brain if you haven't offloaded your map knowledge

00:35:17 - 00:35:24 | Speaker 1:

into the cloud yet yeah no my map my map knowledge is extensive like the town i live in i you know i

00:35:24 - 00:36:11 | Speaker 2:

can do all the back roads in my town without doing a map the day that i got a car with gps was the most liberating experience of like one of the most impactful things that ever could have happened to me because i remember having for a very long time of my life i'd have to leave if i had to get somewhere really important that i'd never been before i might leave an hour and a half two hours early just to account for the fact that i was probably going to get lost and man i mean i remember not even having the smartphone and if you don't know where the hell you were going like i would print out the map quest directions but if one of those things was closed or if i missed one of those uh landmarks yeah i would have been completely lost for days uh i'm just looking

00:36:11 - 00:36:24 | Speaker 1:

through right i've gotten to most of my notes actually uh there is there's poop girl that was fun that's like the star wars kid right uh what is the girl's name this was almost monkey paw

00:36:24 - 00:38:08 | Speaker 2:

right so every single kid that wants something out of their technology they end up getting it but they get it in spades so the one girl that's the most obsessed with how many followers she's gonna get and has the most manic manicured life right like everything is manufactured that she's doing a great job and she ends up having like 3 million followers or something but then when the virus the like jailbreak virus spreads to all the different b-bots some of the b-bots get smart enough they can combine forces with each other so that was like the big I guess climax of the movie is that all these different b-bots start forming together and first it's you know two of them so it's one standing on top of another so now they're as tall as a kid and then another four jump in so two turn into legs and two turn into arms well now it's even bigger than you and it's got arms and legs and this keeps happening over and over so it like slowly my it slowly evolves into just two b-bots stacked on top of each other again like these little eve robots and then that turns into a dinosaur and the dinosaur turns into like a king kong gorilla style and then the gorilla turns into a huge mech bot and when it turns into the mech spot it grabs this girl and eats her and then it like literally just poops her out and she screams something she's like it pooped me and someone's recording it and that turns into a remix song called it pooped me so you just hear her singing over and over it pooped me it pooped me it pooped me and she turns into poop girl and then hashtag poop girl starts trending and then that's really when she gets all of the attention of the internet so again it's like it's a monkey paw thing right

00:38:08 - 00:38:31 | Speaker 1:

yeah and again we got these things turning to kaijus if they decide that maybe humans are not in their best interest there's just no way this you said it's got the very optimistic ending but the real ending you know it's like hemingway saying all stories end in death there's no way the story just doesn't end with a technological apocalyptic dystopia you know this is also a

00:38:31 - 00:39:08 | Speaker 2:

really easier way of describing how nanobots work right because here every bot is one-to-one kid like your one kid gets one bot there's not anyone that has like four or five which is interesting enough that's the private school but everyone just has their own one bot and that one bot that follows you around with the fact that those bots can join forces and do things that you didn't tell them to do and get bigger and have different functions once they start cooperating that's literally how nanotechnology is supposed to work and that's how the black goo is supposed to work

00:39:08 - 00:39:13 | Speaker 1:

right and i'll get those get those uh b-bots into your bloodstream now let's see what happens

00:39:13 - 00:39:18 | Speaker 2:

that's really what we're talking about it's just that this is a way to explain that concept

00:39:18 - 00:39:35 | Speaker 1:

to boomers and old people and kids um also infuriating this movie and it's because we've all been pavlovian trained for these now the amount of update noises in this was kind of like making like twitch while watching the movie a little bit you know because i'm like oh is my

00:39:35 - 00:40:39 | Speaker 2:

phone going off right well and it progresses of the movie continues you notice that so at first it's a little bit less intrusive but the more and more every three seconds yeah well because the company figured out they needed to install all these patches constantly and even when they return ron which is the broken one back to that the kid right barney once they return that broken ron robot to him it's completely different they've nerfed it they've basically changed entire personality and that turns into uh again i think that's like a nice introduction to children now that yeah that chat gpt best friend that you've been developing over the last six months well they decided to cut costs so now his personality is different so just deal with it and i think that that might be an an important lesson for kids to maybe start learning early on right like if you if your kid develops an actual friendship with a freaking ai bot and then it goes through some updates so that the company can save more money

00:40:39 - 00:40:59 | Speaker 4:

then maybe you should know that before it happens how easy is it to become friends with chat gpt i mean because you you start realizing that everything is being said in like the same format and then you can tweak the format if you want but it's like yeah i know what response i don't know

00:40:59 - 00:42:17 | Speaker 2:

if necessarily like a fourth or a fifth grader would would pick up on that as easily because a lot a lot of the time if you're in school and you're still looking at authority before in my opinion before you've realized that every teacher and adult is just making it up as they go and they actually don't really know either before you come to that full realization i could see children giving AI the same level of authority, maybe even more so. Because if they see their parents using AI when their parents don't know how to do something, then if the kid uses AI, it's like, I'm asking a thing my parents ask. So they probably assign more authority to this thing than they really should. And again, it's maybe the sweet spot of Gen X and millennials, right? That are grasping at least part of the, hey, I remember when computers were so dumb that you had to know all these workarounds on how to make industry-level, enterprise-grade things work constantly for decades and decades. Dealing with the Adobe Suite, dealing with Microsoft software, dealing with the weird quirks of Apple OS. After you've had to deal with workarounds and just know that some of it's just crap for decades, compare that to a nine-year-old that doesn't have any of that experience and they're just doing

00:42:17 - 00:42:30 | Speaker 4:

what ai tells them when i was nine years old i had to know some basic because you couldn't run a computer without knowing some basic and i walked uphill to school in the snow both ways

00:42:30 - 00:42:39 | Speaker 2:

every day even in summer in atlanta i had a right go to line 20 in the snow uphill

00:42:39 - 00:42:57 | Speaker 4:

right uh so yeah it is that's the curse of aging right i'm like of course you can tell this thing is not sentient or real because it's giving me all the answers in the same format but if you haven't done a bunch of reading and haven't done a bunch of writing yourself i guess you might not

00:42:57 - 00:43:03 | Speaker 2:

notice the the other thing too that i think is interesting at least to me lots of places can

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00:43:31 - 00:43:59 | Speaker 1:

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00:43:59 - 00:44:34 | Speaker 2:

by law 21 plus terms and conditions apply but that sequence where the girl goes from normal popular girl at school with all these followers into poop girl if you time it it happens in i think under three minutes it basically takes like a minute and a half to two minutes total from her to go from popular to internet wide meme and now her life is ruined forever and she's always going to be called poop girl which is technically true like there will be a vh1 special or whatever the hell it is in 20 years star wars kid right you can find a documentary on star wars

00:44:34 - 00:44:44 | Speaker 4:

kid that's probably been in the past two years you know and that guy's still a star wars kid maybe we can now have a laugh about it but he's still star wars kid but 30 or whatever

00:44:44 - 00:44:59 | Speaker 2:

trying to describe that concept of your life is oh like you're now poop girl for the rest of your life and it happened within two minutes describing that i don't know a decade ago or maybe two decades ago would have been a little bit harder would have taken like a 30

00:45:00 - 00:45:10 | Speaker 1:

minute episode of black mirror but now you could just throw it in a minute and a half segment on a children's movie all the kids know they realize like yeah that actually could happen to

00:45:10 - 00:45:32 | Speaker 2:

me no that is one of the things that the whole poop girl thing it's like yes that's that's completely accurate you know that's yeah that's how this stuff works i don't know uh i guess bullying is different in the 21st century as well and uh yeah that and i said before i mean i might have been bullied and i just didn't notice it a lot uh which is i guess a a good thing of having

00:45:32 - 00:46:21 | Speaker 1:

a broken brain you don't notice sometimes but but you would know for a fact like here's i guess another example is that no matter how bad things got in the back of your brain as a as a kid again gen x millennial whatever there's this idea of like i could just always move to a new town i could just always go to a new school if i just move you know three states over i'll erase my history clean slate everything and that was real like that legitimate like there's no way that your repute unless you murdered somebody your reputation's not going to follow you across like a zip code or two uh you know even if it was really embarrassing and now that's no longer the case you there's no country on the the globe that you could essentially move to where you wouldn't be poop girl or you wouldn't be star wars guy or you wouldn't be you know any million versions of

00:46:21 - 00:46:37 | Speaker 2:

this that's another reason i was kind of obsessing on how long have they had these b-bots because you notice as you said they've got the infrastructure but this is the first time one of these things gets jailbroken i mean iphones got jailbroken within you know like probably two days of their

00:46:37 - 00:46:54 | Speaker 1:

release right well they they did the announcement at the beginning of this movie they announced the first b-bots and then all of a sudden all these kids have it so i guess in the the context of this movie they're brand new ever and everyone's maybe had it for a few months or something right

00:46:54 - 00:47:07 | Speaker 2:

that's kind of what i'm getting at yeah it's the time i i'm i'm interested i mean that's it doesn't need to be in the movie i'm just interested in that timeline that's what i would watch you know the the late night dad youtube video on right like the the release of the b-bots and how it

00:47:07 - 00:48:13 | Speaker 1:

worked out the b-bots yeah the b-bots came out a few months ago in context of this movie but i think that they just they represent whatever that thing is whatever the thing is that your kid has to have otherwise they'll be ostracized except that it's true that i mean this might be more of a tangent but to me the the other thing that i really see in this angle is disney movies right like there are because i remember there were some kids that that were not allowed to watch disney movies when i was growing up same thing with i guess to a lesser degree like ren and stimpy or the simpsons or something because i knew plenty of kids that their parents didn't let them watch the simpsons and i was like okay i get that they you know he's um he basically says no to his dad a lot and his dad beats him so i understand that if they don't let you watch that that's kind of like for adults but to not be allowed to watch disney was a whole other like fundamental level that i didn't really get until i was a little bit older but it also meant that you were weird like you were a weird person if your parents didn't let you watch disney movies i don't know if you

00:48:13 - 00:48:23 | Speaker 2:

couldn't work out how to do it i mean my parents wouldn't let me watch a lot of movies so i'd walk across the street and i'd seen robocop 10 times by age eight you know right but even the fact if

00:48:23 - 00:49:13 | Speaker 1:

other people knew that you came from a family that doesn't let you here's another example is that if uh your parents didn't let you put the blood code in for mortal combat or wouldn't even let you play mortal combat because it was too violent it was like aha you know you're you grew up in a weird household where you're not allowed to play mortal combat with the blood code or whatever i don't know maybe maybe i'm going too much of a tangent but that's it's the exact same like technology like a bunch of kids that are on this one certain type of technology unbridled and you become a weirdo if you're not also on board even if it legitimately is probably unhealthy for you if everyone else is doing it and it's the concept of like if everyone you know jumped off a bridge or whatever but that's usually the parents talking to the kid but this is almost like the kid talking

00:49:13 - 00:49:33 | Speaker 2:

to the parents right yeah maybe maybe again my brain's just too weird because i grew up we didn't have nintendo or a sega but i went to friend's house and played them and that was fine i never really had a particular urge to have a nintendo or a sega like in-house i remember a friend uh in the fourth grade or something he loaned me his game boy over the weekend and that was super

00:49:33 - 00:50:00 | Speaker 1:

exciting but i remember i had a friend that had the jaguar and as bad as the jaguar was there was a fighting game on the jaguar that was supposed to be a rival to like a mortal combat street fighter and apparently they had some really gruesome fatality moves but when he got the jaguar and that was like one of the games that he got his parents took the instruction booklet away because the instruction book

00:50:00 - 00:50:38 | Speaker 3:

told you how to enable all the fatalities and it never bugged them and it bugged me endlessly it was like are you telling me you've got this game that no one else is ever I'm probably ever going to meet that has this game and it's got all these cool fatalities and your parents won't let you put the blood code in for us to see them and you're okay with that like what in what world like we have to sneak in there right now like at the first chance that your parents are gone we have to go and get those codes and he was just like no it was it was a foreign concept for him to like disobey that rule so i don't know maybe i'm pulling up personal information now yeah i just

00:50:38 - 00:50:53 | Speaker 1:

went across the street and we did stuff watch i got my media there so it doesn't have to be in my own house it's fine uh i haven't even asked you about your notes yet uh you said you had a few did we cover any uh those already or you got something we've been going in and out again i

00:50:53 - 00:51:03 | Speaker 3:

just have dicky daca dicky dicky dicky daca written over and over again in multiple places on my notes because where was that even coming from i guess that was just what ron would sing

00:51:03 - 00:51:14 | Speaker 1:

every once in a while yeah you kept saying and obviously you wrote it a lot not never really it didn't really again it might just because i hear the kids because what ron learns that from

00:51:14 - 00:51:32 | Speaker 3:

grandma and grandma is like an old slovenian slavic romanian jerry is supposed to be the specific uh i'm gonna call her gypsy she's got she does like old gypsy magic and stuff and kind of has that vibe too so she teaches ron this old gypsy magic spell and then he just chants it

00:51:32 - 00:51:45 | Speaker 1:

throughout the rest of the movie right so but it is interesting that the spell stuck in your brain whereas in my brain it wasn't it didn't it didn't stick you know there was also this running joke

00:51:45 - 00:52:50 | Speaker 3:

that there were clowns in the woods which i think also dates this to a very specific two to three year period and that was i don't think that was international but in the united states there was uh almost a satanic a miniature satanic panic except it was that creepy clowns were in the woods and they were kidnapping people or they were coming after kids and then luring them back into the woods and that kind of makes an appearance in this movie i wonder if that's also because the lead voice actor was in it maybe maybe but i'm telling you it was a very specific thing that was going on for a good like three to four years it was it was almost on the tail end of slender man after that slender man murders and stuff happened then it turned into hey there's these creepy clowns that are just showing up out of nowhere it's a nationwide epidemic i just remember that being the new headline so that weird little clown in the woods satanic panic blip in time somehow makes it into ron's gone wrong which you'll have to hit you'll have to hit me back

00:52:50 - 00:52:59 | Speaker 1:

on slender man next week that's actually what we are recording for uh films and filth next week so i should be much more well versed in the slender man after watching the movie and doing some

00:52:59 - 00:53:40 | Speaker 3:

research i assume it's on the tail end of bad movies versus good movies that is correct i've seen the documentary i mean to and i'm sure i'm pretty sure you're not watching the documentary because documentary wouldn't be on the worst list of movies but let me just give you a quick spoiler alert that the one of the girls that was kind of the ringleader for the slender man thing uh has schizophrenia and her dad has schizophrenia and it runs in the family so that's not a medical diagnosis or anything but there you go it's like how could anyone do this well there you go it's a it's dementia break ox uh on ron's gone wrong uh where else do we want

00:53:40 - 00:53:54 | Speaker 1:

to go with this how successful was it did this thing make money no no no not not really uh hold on let me i think it was kind of like budget and box office was the same sort of thing you would

00:53:54 - 00:54:00 | Speaker 3:

have had to venture out during the height of a pandemic with a mask on in order to see this

00:54:00 - 00:54:25 | Speaker 1:

movie right like this was a movie okay yeah uh box office 60.7 i think the budget was about the same they didn't post that there though i feel like i saw somewhere that the budget was like maybe slightly more so it was not successful i guess it got streamed a little bit this is not a movie that i knew existed until like it came up for us to cover it you know lots of places can

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terms and conditions apply budget was 60 million you said yeah so not a giant one for again it's comes out in this weird period of time where people are not really going to the movie theater so it almost seems that the metrics for the like movies during the pandemic would need to be judged on a completely different criteria of how many people streamed how many people signed up to a streaming service in order to see this how many people streamed it on launch day and I don't know if there's an incentive in Hollywood to be a little bit more holistic about the reporting because this gives them a chance i guess to write stuff off so like for example what if ron's gone wrong printed money but on paper because of pandemic because of the way we rate things it kind of gets easier to be written off as a loss right like the demolition man sort of thing yeah exactly and

00:56:15 - 00:56:53 | Speaker 3:

i i guess the thing i'm thinking is yeah movies from 2020 or 2021 basically get like a free pass for not being that successful i mean tenant didn't make money but that was considered a success right um because there's just theaters weren't open and that was the best they could do at the time uh the thing is the cultural imprint is uh did you know this movie existed before say last week no okay that's my main point like i didn't know this movie even existed i i had a fine time watching it i don't i i'll remember it like longer than i'll remember i think this one will stick in my mind a little bit more in spies in disguise for whatever reason for the uh direct

00:56:53 - 00:57:15 | Speaker 2:

analogy i i guess that i've just found myself completely out of whatever ad cycle it is that pushes movies to people right like everything that gets advertised to me is just like uh stakes by mountain and power tools like i don't get promoted movies our next disney movie and by the way folks

00:57:15 - 00:57:26 | Speaker 3:

we might do a cartoon call first i don't know but encanto is next on our disney list that's a movie i don't know anything about but i know it exists it's you know like you're making a ride for sure

00:57:26 - 00:57:37 | Speaker 2:

disney will inundate you and i live in orlando by the multiple disney parks right so just driving around i'm gonna see the billboards of all the like the newest things coming out and all the new

00:57:37 - 00:57:57 | Speaker 3:

princesses and all this stuff so i guess in the last dragon i only vaguely understood existed strange world i only know exists because uh the the theatrical poster for it is so whack but otherwise i don't think that one was successful we'll be covering that before too long but sorry to interrupt uh you had your thought going there well no that that's i mean the only reason

00:57:57 - 00:58:31 | Speaker 2:

i know about those is because i'm in disney world like i live at disney world so of course i know about a lot of the disney stuff coming out but um i i guess point being is that even if they spent usually what is it a third you calculate in of what your bud your budget of production add a third of that to be the marketing so this costs 60 you know million then maybe another 20 million ends up going into marketing so i'm sure the 20 million is going somewhere but rightfully so it's not hitting me so i have no idea that any of these movies exist until we specifically end up

00:58:31 - 00:59:07 | Speaker 3:

watching them for this series like uh i am wondering if we may or may not reference this when we get to when is it coming out toy story 5 comes out oh geez uh very soon it seems so uh i i'm not going to see it in theater because and now it would be playing dubbed in japanese so it's going to be a little while before i see toy story 5 but that from the preview seems to be you know it's it's the the the uh digital toys taking over seems to be what the previews are suggesting which would make it somewhat analogous to this movie just i guess to throw out there too

00:59:07 - 00:59:38 | Speaker 2:

i don't have kids so i don't get any of like the kids marketing stuff uh that's being pumped out towards me but it does seem that when i do find out about a new disney movie coming out or whatever it's because the algorithm is like look at this woke movie they're trying to you know destroy society and then that's how it gets onto the radar which just makes me feel that oh they're just figuring out another way to market it to people. They're finding a way to tell me I should care about this movie coming out.

00:59:39 - 00:59:43 | Speaker 3:

Yeah, you go hate watch it. That's fine too because you're still buying a ticket.

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I get, I mean I don't think I've said from Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. I don't think I've spent money watching any movie from any source for the better part of two decades plus. So even things that I love, the things that I hate. and it does make me sad sometimes because like i can't boycott anything because i'm already not supporting almost any of my media consumption if anything i'm probably supporting some like icelandic group of hackers you know what i mean i support icelandic group of hackers charm to saying that i mean it's better than disney plus in my opinion

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right well i live in japan we don't we don't do disney plus i couldn't do disney plus if i wanted

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to be the the the big disney with the d state even that's pixar but i think pixar basically counts as disney at this point so disney with the d statement on uh this sort of thing because this one is fox animation sort of sputtering out and making this movie uh which i don't mean as an insult it is what would i i like to bring up my ratings it's like a gentleman six maybe a seven

01:01:47 - 01:02:50 | Speaker 2:

sort of movie for me it's interesting i don't even know what a race is so yeah six and a half or something um it's and it's not necessarily a recommendation it's just that it's that serviceable but except for the very freaking ending man and i don't know if this was just you not only that don't worry everything will work out your bullies will save you and the world's not so bad and technology might not kill you after all but just the premise that at the end barney goes out into the woods because he's trying to save ron or whatever and when he goes out there he doesn't come back out and now all of a sudden for the first time ever the bully is like oh my god he might be having an asthma attack and he doesn't have his inhaler like out of all the people in this movie to be concerned i just didn't get why it was the bully other than they're trying to wrap they're trying to do like a character development arc except the bully didn't go through anything throughout this process right he got his ass kicked by a robot and that was kind

01:02:50 - 01:03:02 | Speaker 4:

the only thing that happens to him right like i keep saying the next scene is the robots uh destroy everything right because that's ultimately where it has to go i don't know imagine the end of

01:03:02 - 01:03:29 | Speaker 2:

the uh the never-ending story and the bully that originally throws him in the garbage at the very beginning or like he has to jump and hide in the garbage at the end of it right i believe that they get thrown in the garbage and that's kind of this fun like all circle but imagine instead of that the bully's just like um hey i found your inhaler i hope you've been okay like he's just nice but nothing actually happened to him in the interim that's kind of how this movie ends well you gotta

01:03:29 - 01:03:35 | Speaker 4:

go never ending story three a much worse movie where you get to jack black as the bully does

01:03:35 - 01:03:52 | Speaker 2:

does foul core throw anyone in the garbage in that one huh i don't remember i watched it no never ending story three is there there is like an actual sanctioned canon one yes a movie yeah

01:03:52 - 01:04:22 | Speaker 4:

yeah yeah it's not good again it was on my bad list of movies is this young jack black like before he was very young very young yeah yeah yeah there's like pre tenacious d jack black interesting i don't know if i've ever seen that one yeah i'm not necessarily recommending it but it would be at least worth scrubbing through because it's it's it's it it is like fun bad movie to watch as opposed to just like facepalm bad movie to watch so it was watchable i wanted to ask one question

01:04:22 - 01:04:29 | Speaker 2:

would you get your kid a b-bot if everyone if literally everybody else in her class had a b-bot

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would you get a b-bot i mean my daughter has her own iphone and i didn't even have anything to do with her getting that iphone that would have been more like my wife and father-in-law right so she just has it right it's inevitable at this point it's inevitable i mean like like um barney he he ends up getting this glitchy weird one but he gets one doesn't he everyone gets one it's inevitable i mean it doesn't have to be inevitable it just kind of is that's how society works you

01:04:56 - 01:04:59 | Speaker 2:

know i i also like that you could

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Thank you.

01:05:00 - 01:05:17 | Speaker 3:

have a parent bringing their kid to watch this movie right like watching it together and two different generations are getting completely different uh takeaways from this exact same movie because the way that i guess they would understand it yeah that's kind of why i was

01:05:17 - 01:05:32 | Speaker 2:

bringing up the the pre-internet post-internet generation because we just we view this differently than a kid watching it and let's say in 2021 a kid watching this that's eight years old is not going to pick up on any of that right of course everyone has these things why doesn't barney

01:05:32 - 01:06:11 | Speaker 3:

have one that's weird this could have been an anime seriously like i could see this being like a weird surreal japanese anime almost for sure there's an analogous anime out there although i can't uh tell you i think we've seen one actually we saw there was one where in virtual space there was some virus that was slowly spreading and taking over the rest of virtual space it was called like my summer nuclear explosion or something like that now you sound like the ai am i am i no not ringing any bells i think we reviewed it a while ago yeah uh summer wars by

01:06:11 - 01:06:16 | Speaker 2:

the way summer wars there you go i processed it yes yeah it took me a second i had to process

01:06:16 - 01:06:23 | Speaker 3:

so again i guess this is just like a western pixar adjacent version of summer wars

01:06:23 - 01:06:29 | Speaker 2:

yeah but in summer wars they the ai decided to send a missile towards their house

01:06:29 - 01:07:05 | Speaker 3:

i mean that's kind of what should have happened in this movie to be honest there's there's no reason that they couldn't have added a higher stakes to this because the highest stakes thing is that you know you might be called poop girl right yeah yeah higher stakes we already have the pg rating you can do that oh i guess yeah you can have a missile headed towards earth isn't despicable me kind of have a lot of that premise wasn't uh the premise of recess the movie i think that one had higher stakes and that was pg yeah i think i mentioned before i i live in

01:07:05 - 01:07:11 | Speaker 2:

an anti-minion house and i'm vice president of the anti-minion society so um but you've also

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established that you don't really get to make those kinds of decisions in your house so that's

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what that really means is that no one oh no we have a united we have a united front on it's an

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01:07:27 - 01:07:43 | Speaker 2:

be along with you yeah we're a pro mega mind house um i don't know i guess we wrapped this one up so uh where do you want to play balls in your court uh i would like to definitely recommend

01:07:43 - 01:08:33 | Speaker 3:

that you guys check out the latest episode of occult disney but then i also have a podcast called under the docks where we go back and watch obscure documentaries from 60s 70s 80s maybe some modern ones too like we just did like the whole kogan series like a vince mcmahon series but then we'll go back and do some weird one from like 1970s i think we did chariots of the gods which is one of the og uh aliens invented the pyramids and aliens created people all the way into the latest david wilcock and cory good secret space program ufo disclosure stuff so if you're interested in that uh not a lot of people do documentary reviews there's plenty of tv and movie reviews like you listen to us already but not a lot of documentaries so check out under the docs the same place where you're listening to this just search for paranoid american

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