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George Washington was an absolute spy master and that he had a secret society driven spy ring called the Culper Ring.

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and today's episode is about Brad Meltzer's Decoded it's actually a series that was on the History Channel and it was kind of during the era when Jesse Ventura had conspiracy theory and there was like a few other ones, I still think the OG is Phenomenon Archives we did one, Dean Stockwell, shout out but this is another version of those although this is kind of the candy-coated commercial version that you're going to see on history channel at prime time maybe like right after dinner with the parents and stuff if you don't know who brad melzer is he writes a lot of espionage and political fiction and i think that he even flexes that he gets invited by the cia to go and give talks and like do scenarios and stuff he's also written for dc comics i think he's um had a few different like major titles he's written for i don't know if it was like batman and superman but like a number of them right so it's a fairly well-known writer in the fiction world especially in conspiracy theory i'd almost say it's almost like a young adult version of a dan brown kind of da vinci code style so uh there's some of the premise so he gets his entire tv series called decoded and each episode is a standalone deep dive quote-unquote into a different usually american specific conspiracy theory so when this came out this was like tugging right at my heartstrings is exactly what i was interested in despite the format so this was season one episode eight the episode was called the president's inner circle and it aired on january 27th 2011 and the premise is basically that george washington was an absolute spy master and that he had a secret society driven spy ring called the culpa ring that was really responsible for us winning the revolution and that no one's really heard of it you don't learn about in history books even though it is fully documented well proven and incredibly

influential and this is like the glory days of conspiracy theorists because that i would say like 2004 to like 2012-ish. There was all these kind of shows like this and you could just pop it up whether you agree or disagree with it or but they were like tugging at everybody like, hey, look pretty crazy conspiracy, right? You like it? And now we're like banished to the realms of the internet where we have to dig and dig to find stuff like this.

Well, this one's friendly. This is like a state friendly series of conspiracy theories. This entire Brad Meltzer decoded everything.

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all right let's plot the course on this one it's they jump into a lot of different topics i'm just going to try and give you a full itinerary then we'll go back and we'll talk about highlights and everything so the basic premise is that there was this group called the copa ring and the copa ring was early uh or in late 18th centuries like 1700s and they were using invisible ink with different chemical agents they were using messages in public newspapers mockingbird style where they would publish like actual secrets and plans but do it in plain sight and kind of hide it in different encodings inside of newspapers and publications that even the members within the culpa ring didn't know who the other members were so even if you got caught there was really no one that you could squeal on because you were just going and doing like dead drops all over the place and one of the other interesting things is that we didn't even know about this culpa ring until about the 1930s when some historian in the local area i believe in long island found a bunch of papers in someone's attic and then did a handwriting analysis match and anyway since the 1930s this has been fully vetted documented proven and it's essentially the predecessor to the cia to the oss to any sort of secret espionage driven by the united states this is where it all started started of the culpa ring um and it basically they grew out of this need to know of where the british were setting up their strongholds in new york city so that the brits basically were in control of new york and large swaths and one of the interesting dynamics here is that you didn't necessarily know if you're just walking down the street in new york and you look to your left and you look to your right you don't know if the people you're looking at are for the british or for the the revolutionaries right like no one's wearing patches or any kind of like obvious signs and just because someone has been living in america or if someone just came over from britain doesn't tell you like what their political affiliation is so it's this really interesting moment when everyone is kind of suspect and there was this very specific chain where someone in long island would get info from a code name of culper jr and then they would bring that back to someone named Culper Senior and then Culper Senior would send a message across the Long Island Sound into Connecticut and then deliver some kind of a message that would determine whether the British were coming and what port they were in and all sorts of enemy movements and just this sequence of events going on I believe from 1778 to 1781 so it lasted for about three years or so and during those three years um they got so much intel and i think the culpa ring officially stops recording any movement in like 1785 so it might it might last for like six or seven years total it was

based out of this place called rivington street in lower manhattan and there's actually a business there right now called the gentleman farmer and it was uh rivington was a guy that ran this royal Gazette and he was publishing the spy info to be read by Washington himself so the fact that Rivington Street is still there and Rivington's Royal Gazette this is all this is all like spy craft right that people are probably not even realizing and then the other main key point here is that West Point the the military school is how I knew it because you see it in movies when like a kid's bad they get sent to West Point if like their family's rich right well West Point was in the most strategic position on the hudson river at this point and according to this you know this 45-minute documentary where they're saying that whoever controlled west point essentially decided who was going to win america that was how strategic this one particular stronghold was and that the commanding officer in charge of west point was benedict arnold and we know benedict arnold is like oh it's like you know the the guy that makes those eggs what you put hollandaise no he he's like the traitor right if someone's a pennington arnold they're a traitor well prior to him being a the world's most famous traitor america's most famous he was the most uh famous greatest hero of the american revolution up until that time and what happens is he gets salty that he doesn't get a paycheck for about seven years that's a year with a y so he doesn't get a paycheck for seven years and eventually he's like screw this i'm gonna just go and sell all my information to the brits for equivalent of like five million dollars it was like 20 000 pounds he gets caught by the culper spy ring in the middle of all this and eventually this leads to us winning the revolution because um benedict arnold was not able to sell west point to the enemy in time so there's so much history in here but there's like the basic premise of what the culper spy ring was and why we care what they did the benedict arnold part was my favorite part because I was like it

he's painted as this like oh this villain right like we hate him you're a benedict arnold you're such a traitor and you're like dude he wasn't paid for seven years bro when they dropped that line

something in my brain was like oh man now i get it bro like he got a bad rap man if someone employer doesn't pay me for seven years i don't know go into the you know their competition and being like hey you want some trade secrets you're talking about two months for me man like you know

i mean not even going seven years i'm like i'm gonna give you two months to pay me if you don't i'm giving away all your secrets that was like such a and they kind of glance over like no big deal like yeah you shouldn't get paid you're like what bro like just imagine like all the stuff you've accomplished and then you also see the power struggle of like how these things work because obviously he's a hero but i'm i'm he's not getting the same uh love as some of the other people right like because they're like oh well i'm making this wave and i'm making that wave

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And then to go back of what you said about how this is like the ground work for the CIA and agencies like that, I think it's actually true, not just because, hey, there were spies and CIA spies, they use the same methods now, like, right, like they've developed from those methods. So there is an exact line to this Copa ring and the CIA where they're like, oh, yeah, we still use that today.

Well, I'll say not to skip ahead to like the overboard and all that, but like there's some times in the way that this documentary is structured. It is very commercial friendly and that there's like a segment and then a commercial break and then a segment and then a commercial. And those segments kind of start and wrap up very nice and neat. so they'll they'll say really dumb stuff sometimes like one of the three there's these three uh investigators that go out into the field right so this is the formula for brad melzer's decoded entire series brad melzer any history channel or any history channel document but but specifically decoded melzer kind of acts like charlie and he's got his angels that go out in the field so he's not out in the field he's just the narrator and he's like on the back of the phone he's writing him messages but he's got his angels out in the field and the angels are a guy named buddy who's like the guy that you have a beer with and like laughs real loud and has a coarse voice and then there's christine who's like the analytical soccer mom that just found the first q anon post on facebook is and it was like honey have you heard of this thing called adren adrenic crummy or something like she's like just dipping her toe in and then you've got uh the other guy that's just kind of like the straight man um that looks you know very inoffensive so you have these three people that are allowed to talk about conspiracy theories in public essentially so part of this though is that you'll see buddy and christine like wow this is crazy can you believe they had this level of technology like bro this is not new i mean this like like custom and secret messages and like invisible ink this has been developed for centuries and centuries this didn't start in the 18th century or the 17th or the 16th or the 15th uh like it goes back right it goes back as far as knights templar and and way before that even like egyptian scribes probably had secret code messages and uh and and comet probably had like invisible ink so it's part they lay that on really thick we're like can you believe people had the technology to do this in 2020 that's crazy like some of the things they say are a little bit over the top to like push that in there

invisible ink like what like you're like yeah these things have happened for a long time there's no tech that they actually find now i would have been impressed if they had one of those masks you know like the those actual masks are like hey here's a george washington mask here's our benedict orro mask then i'm really getting into it like i'm like okay dang they've they've really been on this for a minute but it's funny too even how they get so giddy Thank you.

uh when they get to the cia headquarters because they go to the cia headquarters and they go to the quote-unquote museum that you can't see right like uh the world's most famous museum that like no one knows about and you can't really check it out and then they even make a joke they're like oh brad must know someone he pulled some shirt like they're like we've never been to the cia headquarters and you're like yeah if they're letting you in bro like spoiler alert you're probably not getting that much information yeah i can't believe it we're

on this uh documentary show funded and backed by history channel the same one that said uh any 9-11 um you know mysteries were absolute conspiracy theory i can't believe they're letting us in and letting us talk to them so yeah i mean they they play their hand a little thick uh constantly but that's it's it's a quirk of the show if it annoys you you won't like any part of the series but i wouldn't let it distract you from the legitimate interesting information like they're not making stuff up about uh benedict arnold and the culpa ring and all this and just just to throw this in there too it's an interesting note that the guy that solves this in the 1930s his name was morton pennypacker the local historian uh in east hampton long island so i just thought people had fun names uh back in the day i've never met anyone named morton pennypacker yeah i love that name and then

i was like there's a lot of jokes that people could use nowadays with like the whole way of

the world i was like is he you know i got a lot of hidden treasures and overboard moments uh in this particular episode let's let you go first though uncle sean i think that some of that

obviously it's not that hidden but i did not know about the benedict arnold i've never considered that he did this for money right like that he was kind of getting screwed over and then that makes me feel that they should have went a little bit further into that like was there other things just besides money right there must have been something that was cracking it so i think that was a big one but also they they hint at stuff where you get to see not just like how the basically the blueprint of how the cia started and how they spied on people because even today they use like regular people they go into a company and they they get assets and they get people to tell on people and that is not that they created it but i think they that was the branch of america to be able to do it right this is the first of american actually having their coordinated spy rings and i like how this is a mix uh uh a hidden treasure and an overboard moment like kind of it's where they hint at stuff like they kind of like dance around yale and some of the stuff and they kind of like dance around like maybe secret societies were around maybe they were like you know what i mean like maybe they had a hand to play in the presidency maybe not like we'll never know like that's the kind of stuff where i'm like ah like i like that it's on a mainstream thing and it kind of dangles in front of people that may not normally like maybe someone looks into that but then i also think they're probably not gonna look into that you know what i mean they're probably gonna go ah past that part so i think there is a lot of little hidden pieces in there but there's also this like blend of like oh man you could do so much more i think that that's the part where

they're allowed to do it in mainstream and they know they don't get taken out they don't get canceled is because part of it instead of saying like look at how the state has been born in deception the entire time and they'll lie to you and they'll use you as an asset it's more like wow isn't this so cool that the origin the origins of american history really cia has been with us all along they're they're the ones that helped us win the war so they're probably kind of like the good guys right like by pitching it that way and it's like we'll never really know because we're not going to really investigate it that far that's when someone at the history channel is like all right yeah go ahead and prove this one for air like they they they knew how to toe the line a little bit right so that was part of it um also i got i got a bunch of of hidden treasures in this one the main one though was this story about this agent 355 lady and this is another one of those things where if you if you actually try and investigate this there's plenty of evidence that says that this is all made up that it like the basically the premise of this is there was a secret code list and that all of the most popular words in the english language at the time all had a numerical value assigned to them and this wasn't based on like some secret cipher or anything it was just like the the word for washington for example was 7-1-1 it was 7-11 so that was like washington's secret number so if you saw 7-1-1 that meant washington and then there was you know every other word you could think of had a number the number for the word lady was 355 but there were also all these reports of a specific woman that was basically

acting as a early cia honeypot that like worked her way into high levels of british intelligence became the girlfriend or the the side piece or whatever because we don't have enough stats on this but that she was literally the one that broke up the benedict arnold plot and she didn't really get any sort of credit because we don't know what her name is or if she even existed but the premise was that benedict arnold contacted this guy um john andre and john andre was essentially the head of british intel in new york so when benedict arnold tries to send this message to john andre and is like hey i'm uh west points for sale here's how you can get it john andre as he's riding around the country he gets spotted by three american robbers that think that he's got nice boots and like bro that guy's that guy's boots he's got some money so they basically capture him and they make him take his boots off because they're gonna like rob him i guess and inside of his boots are these these plans i guess and they they make it sound like oh you know he just kind of was coming across the path and these guys liked his boots and isn't that crazy he ended up having these secret messages well they later uncover that really john andre had this side piece in agent 355 And that apparently in the late 1700s and even probably now in 2020s, but the general consensus with that women didn't have any interest in politics, that they either weren't smart enough or they were just too preoccupied with women thoughts that never had a political leaning one way or the other. so they were almost seen as these political neutrals so the way they describe it is that the head of british intel uh john andre never even once thought like maybe i shouldn't divulge all these secrets to this random american side piece because he's just like ah she's a woman like she she doesn't even know the meaning of the words that i'm saying right now so there's probably no threat here the second that he leaves she basically squeals on him because she's part of this secret spy culpa ring and that's how the three guys know where john andre is going to be that he's got all these papers on him about this and they kind of go on to say that uh that she was like the instrumental person in this entire operation and yet we're not even really sure what her name was or if she was even a single person or like an amalgamation of a bunch of different female spies that just kind of got collapsed into one thing you're great at protecting your data but

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21 plus sponsored by chumba casino i think that it's multiple women right like because i think they had a whole ring of it and that's just my perspective of it because it's like you probably had a bunch of different women that were going to these men that were like you stupid woman you don't know what i'm saying go make me a sandwich right like that mentality of like you don't you don't know these things and i think they just were like we're going to utilize that we know that they don't value this we're going to send these attractive women to bed these guys and get the information that makes total sense to me but i don't know if it's this particular one person and then the one this is towards the end when they're talking about this uh 355 and the one lady that's talking about super giddy about it like obviously her whole existence about this like she doesn't have anything like you go to a party she's like hey have you heard of agent 355 you know that's all she talks about so i think she's obsessed to think it's one woman because she was trying to be like pretty sure that she was imprisoned and i'm pretty sure she died there like you know because there's no other records and i think it's more than that i think it's like a group of women it was probably like a whole section of the uh their secret service their cia kind of going out there and implanting from different i'm sure they had multiple people that they've done this to it wasn't just one guy in my opinion a couple other hidden treasures

in this one uh one of them was they mentioned another one this wasn't agent 355 but there were just like wives of

revolutionaries that happen to live in the area and they started encoding messages to the way they would hang up the clothesline they basically the um the long island sound the where the british would come in had a set number of docks right uh and like little coves so each handkerchief would represent the number of coves so if three handkerchiefs were out one day that means the british are in the third cove if four handkerchiefs are out then they were in the fourth cove And then whether or not they hung up like a petticoat meant that like a specific British soldier was either in that cove or not in the cove. And this is just people hanging up their clotheslines. And I want to say that honeypots and encoded messages and clotheslines and stuff, I don't think they invented this in the 1700s. I mean, honeypots have existed since like cavemen. I'm sure like a caveman sent like a Neanderthal honeypot over to like find out where the woolly mammoths were or whatever. But, but it's just interesting that you don't really conceptualize that just normal people were getting tied up into like all this spy craft. And then they also mentioned that the one guy that is essentially had written a book on George Washington and early spy craft. And he, he had this line that I really liked. He was like, for someone who never told a lie, he sure stretched the truth a lot talking about George Washington and how he was this ultimate spy master. And that really he was the one that sent the Culper ring after Benedict Arnold and a little note that he said that this was recorded. This sounds like one of those like made up facts, but he says that this was the only time that Washington had ever been documented as like crying in front of other people was when he was told and and saw absolute proof that Benedict Arnold had become a turncoat and was selling state secrets. Because since Benedict Arnold was the revolution's greatest hero, he was also like best friends with George Washington. And apparently it really hurt George Washington at a personal level that his best friend basically just turned into his greatest enemy and that he knew that he was going to have to send the spy ring after him. but i mean this is like some netflix level drama like mini series you know like there could be a there probably is but there should be like a copa ring uh documentary series about this where you

see george washington cry oh we should do it man and we should put it actually on hbo so we could show a lot of nudity okay you know what i mean we'll get in here i can totally see that there's a lot of fun stuff in here but i will say that uh the only things that kind of get to me is that like when they lay stuff on thick it's it's not the show per se right it's the history channel format that like okay we're about to uncover this thing hold on commercial like that's just i know that's how it goes but i haven't watched one of these like in a minute and so i'm like okay let's every time they drag you know when they're going to like we're going to skinwalker ranch and they're like did you hear that hold on commercial hey i'm gonna and then they keep at least it's not as bad as uh they get later on a history channel where they start like hey look we're testing this thing and they keep replay at least this one i will say doesn't keep recapping every time it

comes back so we could spend an hour on here just dissecting all the overboard crap that they kind of lay on here here's just an example a couple examples so in this they go and stay in some hotel they're like okay brad sent us to washington dc we have no no idea what we're doing here it's like okay yeah i'm sure that you don't have like an itinerary and no but they have to like put on this thing and then they're like oh the concierge says that there's a message for us let's go and see what the message is and it's like a manila envelope and they open it up and there's like a letter that falls out and they're like wait i think there might be a secret message in here and they break out like a matchbook and they start doing in the lobby of the hotel like oh my god there's a secret message encoded on this like my guys like that none of this should be as a shock it's in the script we all know that it's in the script but you know they're playing around with the formula and again if if that kind of campy play along uh makes it unbearable for you you won't be able to handle any of this series that's what they do in every single episode it's every single like when they they find out about the uh the clotheslines right this is i mean you know you hear you're like oh wow that's kind of cool you know it's that's a what a novel way of of sharing messages but their version is to be like wait stop stop you mean to tell me those clotheslines are secret coded messages like the way that they like draw it out you know what i mean it's it's almost like go back when your teacher would like not tell you like this is going to be on the test but the way they would say it would be like okay this might be important

everybody you know yeah and it's kind of like reminds me of i don't know if you've ever seen duncan trussell's podcast like every time he has somebody on there like that is telling him something he doesn't know he's like whoa like you're like dude like it's not that great like he had some guy about the ai and they were like yeah ai might be sentient they were talking to uh uh alexer crowley and then he's like oh like it's like dude let the guy talk man i just want to hear what the hell's going on i don't need this excitement but i get it it's for like tv and stuff and this is also you know what 20 like 15 years ago ish something like that like when it comes out like and this was tv tv it's not like now where at least we have netflix and kind of a little bit seemingly unplugged right you're going like they change the format but this is typical tv 101 the cadence and the way that

they do that it's totally driven to like the tvs in the background and you're doing something and you hear someone go i can't believe that was a coded message and it's meant for you to be like huh and like pay attention again all of a sudden right so it's this is not a series made for someone that's paying attention the entire time it's maybe they're prophetic like they knew you were going to be on your phone not paying attention so sink or swim on this particular episode this is the only one that we watched i don't care about the entire series right now but on this particular the president's men episode or the president's inner circle i think like it is

tough sometimes for people to get even me they get through some of these history channel stuff because it makes me laugh. And I'm like, come on, man. You guys are over the top. Everything that they presented, though, is pretty good information. Like, to me, the Benedict Arnold, that sealed it for me, man. That was like, dang, man. Like, it just changed my... It literally changed my whole perspective on not just the Revolutionary War and Benedict Arnold, but just everything where I'm like, yeah, man, duh. Like, why would I never put that together? You know what I mean? I'm like, he just traded because he hated America. And you're like, oh, they didn't give him any money. like he was broke hungry probably like try and then seeing other people become successful off this war and he's like wait a second it's my turn to shine so that to me alone gives it a a swim all

the way i mean honestly man the the benedict arnold thing maybe that's why you don't learn about this in the school because then a kid the kid's like wait but you said that he was the greatest hero of the revolution why wouldn't the state pay him for seven years it's like okay that's enough questions for today moving moving on uh and then the other part too was it must have just stung every time someone's like whoa is that you is that benedict arnold bro you're the biggest hero ever you're my favorite you know uh like revolutionary action hero and in the back of his mind he's like still waiting on that check so i get i'll give this one also uh a swim i think that as campy as everything is you'll probably walk away with learning something interesting about american history which doesn't happen often on the history channel right this is one of the few times you actually learn something legit that is conspiracy related and they don't necessarily have to hide too much of it because all the politicians are like long dead by a couple centuries now so that's when you actually get the truth a little bit right that's like after someone's been dead for over 100 years then they're like all right yeah he was a spy and if

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