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all across america we are run i radio he is eric hurley and i'm gary mcnamara good morning uh happy birthday to us happy anniversary okay yeah we weren't we didn't well the show wasn't born well with well our partnership was born i guess you could say that 21 years now we're well we're now into year 22 but who was the pregnant person involved though

who birthed us

we'll use the politically correct pregnant person who was the pregnant woman who was the birthing birthing person of yeah of red eye well by the way that should be the biggest complaint on that

whole thing you're taking credit the the the most credit away from women when you do that i mean and we already know they don't care but you talk about giving birth oh no present a pregnant person it's a woman because a man couldn't do it even if all of a sudden nature changed that a man still wouldn't be able to

get through it trust me well i i will i i might be able to say this without getting any flack yeah if a male had to give birth it might be more painful than a woman and i'm not going to go into

the details well there's that part of it but also we don't handle pain as well i i did see

And it's the other day that, that, that somebody, if you're a golfer, you understand this, that, uh, three, three putting, you know, when you three putt on a golf, when a guy three putts on a golf course, uh, you know, women can understand it because it's almost to the level of giving birth. That's comedy. I know but there we are uh 21 years we completed yesterday yeah and and for me it's it's amazing because I and I've you know there's no reason to lie about it but my goal is to stay a year and

get out right my goal was for you to stay a year and get out exactly both of our goals for me to

stay a year and get by a year you mean a week but yeah and you know I just I've for me it was to an opportunity to do a national show yeah yeah and put it on my resume and then leapfrog somewhere else right if you would have ever told me yeah that it would be 21 years yeah and i would still be be doing this i would have told you you're out of your mind yeah when i first started but i knew i i think we agree on this it was about a week in where we both looked at each other and said yeah this sort of works sort of works right

yeah i was drinking heavily back then but yeah no it was it we knew right away i remember starting when uh the basically the creator of the all night show on our flagship wbap uh bill mack uh, in, in 1969, he created the show. I joined him in, in 96. And after he retired, just after he retired in 2001, I remember Hal Jay, the great Hal Jay on the WBAP morning news. Uh, he had asked me on the air that morning, uh, after Bill, you know, had retired, he said, well, Bill was here for 32 years doing that all night show. Do you see yourself, you know, doing this for 32 years? And you, I couldn't.

even help but the no came out so fast no and it'll be 30 years for me in this december and i couldn't be more proud and i don't want to go anywhere and i hope it's another you know i don't think it'll be another 30 but i'd love to do another 10 or 15 easily and and but no it's um it's been it's been crazy if you think about 2005 i'd love to go back to eric and gary of 2005 right and because here we are you know basically uh just began the second term of george w uh yeah just began the second term of george w bush uh we're just months into it and you know things were going on and you know i mean it was we were having political discussions uh then you got to the next year uh the midterm uh and the rank and file republican you know they were you know upset about a lot of things back then though we couldn't criticize you and i got a lot of flack for criticizing george w bush oh yeah you know on spending yeah um and you know And then by the end of his term, everybody was on board for criticizing him for it at the end of a second term. And so, you know, the and all the things that we've experienced in that 21 years. And here we are in 2026. And, you know, the Socialists of America have had their convention. They're proudly remember with Obama, you couldn't say socialist. they said the new n-word it was the new n-word and they you know they condemned it you how dare you call him a socialist uh you know and then bernie bernie sanders back then he's always been a socialist what do you mean what do you mean and you know we have said along the way look you need to own it if you're on the left why don't you just own why don't you promote what you believe what you actually believe and here we are in 2026 they had their convention well we've been talking about it a couple of weeks but they just recently had their convention in recent days and and now they're proudly promoting it and saying it's not extreme so there's i mean the spectrum of what we have covered what we have gone through and our time together here in 21 years is incredible

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Yeah, it is. And I remember in 2006, I do remember that's when we said, okay, the Democrats now are not trying to pretend they're in the middle. But then again, the middle back then as to what even what liberalism was back then is completely topsy-turvy with where the Democratic Party is now. And so that, to me, is really interesting. When I think back, though, the things I think back are the nights I remember. The nights I remember doing the show, I mean, and from terrible things happening. You know, the Vegas shooting that happened while we were on the air.

Because you and I were following on social media, as we always do. We're following on social media things that are going on. There was raw amateur video coming out of the Jason Aldean concert that was going on on the ground level there in Vegas. It was an outdoor show. And then during the break, we turned the audio up because it looked frantic, but we couldn't hear the audio. So during the break, we listened to some of the audio.

That wasn't from a video. That was from Westwood.

audio uh well i saw it but it was also on a video that i saw on social media okay but we played it

no no we we ended up playing it later yes no we played it the first time we heard it was on the air we did not preview that we we saw the westwood one report played and then we heard that because we said because it you know the uh automatic gunfire sound no i said that's what i said when

When I was, in fact, when I previewed it on my side, and maybe you didn't hear that, but when I previewed the video on my side, I said, that sounds like a machine gun.

Okay, I thought it was, I thought it was live. That I remember so.

But that entire night of covering that, because we knew right away, this was something we had no idea. We thought terrorist attack or whatever, and then as the night progressed, um uh the sarnia brothers and water sarnia that was that was started actually before our show but you and i have always had the policy of we need to find reports that are coming in that we can cite because we're not we're not there we don't have reporters on the scene and we need to be able to either repeat what the local authorities are saying uh and or repeat what local media or national media is reporting and and that's basically how we do our live coverage on on breaking news um my gosh uh the theater shooting in aurora colorado in fact i was on that yeah i

wasn't here and you weren't you weren't there and and i was here for the hurricane that hit new york right where i was talking to people in high rise i had lost my voice their power out yeah you

weren't in i was sick i had no voice whatsoever and it was i mean that was crazy the the ship

hitting the the bridge yes in baltimore remember the plant blowing up in west texas right yep yep yep remember that one and um uh katrina katrina yeah katrina was yeah uh just what the next month and you know what i remember and it wasn't really it it didn't happen on the air because when i got into the studio we're about a half hour from going on the air was the colgan air crash just about about two miles from my father's house and the restaurant i talk about marty's right around the corner right the next block yeah it's where that plane crashed and i knew when they said it crashed i think first i heard in clarence they didn't see clarence center my father lived in clarence what and i went oh my god i haven't heard from how come nobody's called me from the house my mom was alive neither my mother or father had called me to tell me about it and remember how worried i was and i got a hold of them they're they're like

we're watching it right now no it's in clarence we had a friend who was also a sponsor at that time who lived in that neighborhood and we were you know oh yeah i remember that yeah and and so you know trying to check in with with everybody uh hurricane rita um and everything that was going on with that uh i mean a number of hurricanes along the way um but you know the uh and then you add into it all the political stories i mean if you had told me in 2005 trump was going to run

that wouldn't have been a surprise 2 40 a.m our time 3 40 a.m roughly eastern time when it was

announced that he won in 2016 and and we talked about how you know it was really disappointing that that the nation didn't hear that victory speech because it was one of the few times that he used the word we throughout that speech and you know i mean it's just his nature but that night he had a great speech and he talked about it and he said you know we basically his entire team and the whole thing um but we got word early on from a reporter at that time that we had at the Hillary campaign headquarters uh that you know she had lost it and she's you know lost her temper apparently and wasn't going to say anything and then it officially came out and her spokesperson came out I forget even who it was and said yeah she's gone home for the night and and then later years later she talked about going home and lying on the couch for days um you know she finally there was a concession but all of these you know events uh that have happened uh well you look at 2008 2009

the what they call the great recession uh then covid covid was just weird yeah it was just weird it started to make sense to most of us i think because of our sensibilities as humans that you know we didn't know fully what it was but we started to sense that we weren't getting the full story and you know and then how all that played out and then my gosh the uh the twitter files you know and how that changed how elon musk buying twitter really changed the entire scope of all social media platforms uh then trump winning uh in 2016 i remember that and and

And it sticks with me because we've talked about the Democratic Party and the racism of identity politics, judging people by groups and not individuals. I go back to that show that we did, which must have been in early 2008. No, the summer of 2008. No, no, it wasn't the summer because it was the primary. And so it hadn't yet been decided. And it was Obama and it was Hillary.

Yeah.

And we went on the air.

Somewhere around March, I guess, then, maybe.

Yeah, and it could have been, but definitely the primary was in, you know, going full bore.

Right.

And we said, we only want to hear from Democrats. Remember that? Yeah, yeah. Who do you want, Obama or Hillary, and why? And the phone lines lit up like crazy. and except for one caller after we finally said guys do issues matter right every single call right obama because we need the black first black president hillary because we need the first woman president right and we said are there any issues finally a guy called and said well yeah hillary's a warmonger and obama is not remember yeah yeah that was it right now every single call that we took and we were talking about this goes this is amazing every caller is identity politics and remember that goes back that goes back a significant period that goes back what 18 years

and when and that and now and people didn't know the words identity politics we had seen it before for years yeah we were fully aware of it but you really had to be a walk in order to you know recognize it every time it was happening but they were very clear about it and then to the point the endorsements for obama from celebrities was all about his skin color and nothing about his

qualifications it was amazing i'll never forget that and that was i mean that was to me when we both we went wow yeah this is really amazing how addict and now we are it's worse now than it's ever been yeah oh yeah it's a it's a whole nother generation yep which has gotten us to dei yeah the insanity of the radical transgender movement yep we've been able to see the progression we live the progression every night yes for 21 years on that yeah we are red eye radio brought to you

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we're at red eye radio he is here carley and i'm gary mcnamara okay coming up on the bottom of the hour just one more story about our uh 21 years together coming up following the bottom of the

hour i just don't have time to tell it right well there's 21 years worth so yeah yes i love talking

about us uh it's all about us uh plus uh we will uh i can sneak golf into here because it fits their narrative we haven't said it in a while the we're doomed narrative yeah but it relates

the reason i think i i i from from my perspective that i quit saying it so much is because i think everybody knows it now i think it's obvious more coming up yes

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We're Red Eye Radio. He is Eric Carley and I'm Gary McNamara. All right. One more. Just funny thing about starting our 22nd year together, 21 years ended yesterday on yesterday's show. Yeah. But I just have to bring this up because it just shows you, you know, some of the stuff just behind the scenes. And this goes back, I can say this because this goes back like four companies ago. But this is a true story. You know where I'm going on this. I just remember it so well because I was so happy. And then you just, you just completely destroyed me. And this is, I remember when, uh, I first started on the show and they had us, they had us like in this production room where they made commercials.

Yeah. Yeah.

And so where I was sitting, I had a computer.

Yeah.

The computer must've been, I don't know. I think they were using Fortran and you were using those little cards that you blew, you know, that you could blow, uh, they, they blew wind through it in order to read it or whatever. Right. But no, it wasn't that bad.

But this computer was so bad, couldn't play floppy disks that it was so old that I could

not, it did not have, uh, did not have the space for me. I couldn't play audio cuts. Now it wasn't the same. Cause this goes back to 2005. YouTube had not yet gotten to the point where it is now at all. Right. But we had actually a, you know, we had a, the network, I believe, this would have been the first company, but it would have been ABC that we worked for, had ABC News. I couldn't play the audio cuts. We couldn't play audio cuts of what politicians were playing because my computer would just go on the fritz. Right.

We couldn't do it. And they had them all organized and everything in a file that we could log on to. Everything was organized and everything, and couldn't play it.

Right, yeah.

And I went to our boss at the time, no names here, went to our boss and said, can you give me a new computer? We can't play audio cuts. He goes, nope, don't have the budget.

Yeah.

But we're a national talk show.

Yeah. And by the way, we had the budget. Oh, I know. I know.

Of course we had the budget. Yes. Believe me, we had the budget.

Oh, yeah.

And he goes, we just, we can't do it. I said, we're a national show. i can't play audio cuts for god's sakes so sorry nothing we can do about eight months later i'm in his office he goes i need to ask you a question why aren't he goes look all these other talk shows are playing audio cuts why don't you guys ever play audio cuts yeah i said we had this conversation eight nine months ago right what are you talking about right i told you i need a new computer i cannot play audio cuts on that computer it's too old so if this means you're going to get me a new one he goes no no we can't do that yeah right and then he never complained about it again but then i walk in one night i walk in one night to the studio there's this brand new computer yeah i mean uh i i i i was i was happy as happy as uh when uh peter burned down the the company on office space yeah i know no but i mean i was thrilled i go oh my gosh there's a new computer this is new i can

play audio cuts and eric looked at me and he said no don't get too happy i think it's only in here

for the day it's and we'll be gone by monday and i'm like yeah it was for it was a week yeah i was going to be there for the week for the week okay yeah you're gonna be there for the week because

laura ingram who wasn't even working for our company no not at the time no was coming in to work to do they offered her the studio she was going to be in dallas right apparently they were so embarrassed about the equipment uh-huh that they took a new computer from elsewhere on that floor put it in set it up so they wouldn't be embarrassed with laura ingram saying my god this studio is like did marconi invent this thing or what you know and so they wouldn't do it for us no no they wouldn't do it they would not give us so we did it for a guest and we're the moneymaker we're the money we were the the moneymaker she's not a moneymaker for our company right they put it in because of embarrassment right that's right yeah and that's where eric came up with the i can't say the way he would say it way back then eric yeah said we have been um crapped upon so much that we don't even know when we've been crapped upon yeah we've just gotten used to it but that was and so when she was done they pulled the computer out it was done yeah she was there for a week gone i remember working over at our

network studio at the time and diane sawyer was in the building oh i remember this story yeah and so she's in the building there to interview i forget who it was uh one of the one of the other more important radio personalities i guess uh i think it was tom oh uh tom joiner i think it was anyway so she's interviewing somebody else right and they wanted to do it out in in the atrium area but on this walkway that walked across on the second floor to kind of show the entire atrium in the background other oh it's a good choice right they went into they personally management went into every studio in that building at that time and said don't leave your studio what what are we doing like a is this a reverse fire drill what's what's going on and diane saw you're saying yeah we know yeah we you know we see all the cameras and the lights and being set up and everything we've heard it was diane yet don't and if you see her in the hallway don't approach her i'm like are you kidding me are you kidding me i have a friend who works in uh and and it was a true story it was like you know like we were all gonna be oh diane can i have my autograph can you would you give me your autograph the whole thing or do you want my autograph but i have a friend who actually works uh he hauls equipment for uh the band journey and he said neil sean's wife they were in the same hotel neil sean's wife is walking down the hall with her security and then her security measured he told him and he's the truck driver they're one of the truck drivers they look at him and go like like move away don't don't look you know don't talk to her don't approach don't approach don't approach and i thought this is that whole diane sawyer thing all over again

well we have it we have a joke here yeah uh that is don't bother the talent and it came from somebody who used to work in this building yes yes who told uh you know i forgot was ron or alan or both of them right that the actual talent yeah they yeah exactly they they were talking to us or whatever and that person said to them don't bother the talent don't bother the

talent yeah don't distract the talent don't distract the talent don't distract yeah don't

feed the bears and and it's just like it's it's it was like nobody number one we never said that yeah number two if we're busy yeah somebody wants to talk to us so you know everybody knows it's closer to the show it's like man can't talk now whatever but so it's become a joke whenever i'll you will come in and somebody will say something go wait a minute and it's

don't disturb the talent well it's it's a technical term but i was actually at dinner out of town at this is this big event and we and we had some big sponsors

this event and i was there at the dinner table and one of our promotions people says well eric is the talent now to our sponsors that doesn't mean the same thing and radio when i say it it's like you know the on here the on-air people right you know whatever more of a technical yeah it's more of a technical term it doesn't actually mean talent not egotistical doesn't really apply especially here everybody else it's egotistical there we have very talented people that are on the air with our company yeah we're not included but no but i remember sitting there at that dinner and i said well you know kristin thank you for that uh uh you know talent is a loosely you know uh uh uh used phrase uh it's a technical term for the people that are on the air but uh so don't misconstrue that because the people around the table were like what the talent And, you know, but it's, you and I, we kind of got used to it. Like I said, we've been rained upon for so long. We don't know when we're standing in the rain. But, no, it was, the attitude that we have is that we come in and we earn it. You know, we need the equipment. We need, look, we need computers. We need microphones. um other than that you know even the chairs will hobble something together by the way i'm actually

i've been happy with my chair yeah that's a huge thing for years i've been happy with my chair i stole it from bongino but we do but we do want to say you know to uh you know the support we've gotten and i've said this for the longest time um because people ask you know what do you think about your management your management your i've said i got no complaints they're very responsive

they're very respectful well not even that it's still the fact that being in this business over

45 years now that people will actually say we want you this is our company go on the air and say whatever you think and we believe we can make money on it and my first reaction is are you a bunch of idiots or what yeah you guys have calculators yeah what's what's what's wrong with you you're talking about me you want me to go on and and you know uh there there was this belief we don't get it anymore that that people would say well you know uh uh i don't get it at all anymore where people say you know i've listened to you on the air what do you really think what are your real opinions though yeah what i say in the air that doesn't happen anymore now but uh because it's really whether it's major corporations or single owners only once in my life and this goes back over 30 years ago did anybody try to do that in management that was it yeah really it's you know the the freedom that you have is really incredible and i've often looked at it and i said you know the vetting process they did on me probably wasn't as deep as i would have wanted to do if i was hiring somebody like me yeah you know especially to talk politics but then i remember when i hired people even when i hired talk show host you knew

you just by that point of hiring yeah you know you know you just yeah if you don't know you're probably not going to last long in management but yeah but we're we're very grateful for management grateful for the audience and our sponsors over the years uh and and look you know we'd love to do another 21 years uh so let's keep it going i'll be 91 yeah that's good that's all right and

And thank you to all of our great, great listeners.

Yeah. We just have the greatest audience we do. And the fact that you seek us out, you know, every day, you look for us, and you choose to be here, we don't take that for granted at all. We thank you.

Coming up next, we're doomed. We are. We are Red Eye Radio.

We'll be right back with more Red Eye Radio with Eric Hurley and Gary McNamara.

We are Red Eye Radio. He's Eric Carly and I'm Gary McNamara. Well, the British Open starts on Thursday. All right? All right. And remember, it was a couple years ago where Scotty Scheffler was in a press conference and said, look, golf doesn't define me as a person. Remember the... Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he was basically, you know, got in around that topic again, and he said, you know, about his legacy. Do you need to win this for your legacy? He said, to be completely honest, not really. I don't really play, like, for a place in history. I'm not playing for anything like that because.

This is going to sound a little morbid, but at the end of the day, I'm going to live my life and it's going to end. And when it ends, I'm going to be somewhere else. I'm not going to be here anymore. Is that going to be the quote after last year's, what's the point? He said this year will be, we're all going to die. He said with a smile, then they asked Rory McIlroy, the same thing about his legacy. And he said, I really don't care. I would like to think the people that love and care about me think a certain way of me. But, yeah, I'll be long gone. I'll be dead. I don't think I'll be seeing what people say about me. I'll be six feet under. I don't think I'm going to be a ghost. I don't think I'll be, you know, like, yeah, I don't care because I'm a ghost. Right. I'll be dead. Right.

you know it's so funny you know is that you want that to be your legacy you know what i think it is

you watch so many sports and the questions that the reporters ask they give what are the calculated answers and now you've got some of these golfers like scotty schepler and rory mcelroy i don't care i'll be dead right doesn't mean i'm not competitive doesn't mean i don't want to win today right but legacy right who cares i'll be dead i don't care is he the greatest was he the greatest of all well who cares you should be care you should care if you're dead right i'm waiting i can't wait to see the reaction of the reporters over the next week on this one right or the analysis right should they care about their legacy right or should they be realistic and say i'll be dead i don't care if

someone doesn't care about their legacy do they care about their actions today you know i mean seriously they just you know they they these rabbit holes they get into of these things that that are just kind of made up you know what i mean i mean my legacy like for my family how my family remembers me right but eventually you know they'll move on you know my great great grandkids will go sounds like a nice guy or sounds like a weirdo or whatever the take is but i don't i don't think i

want to put on my tombstone. And I don't think you should either. We're doomed. Actually, I think

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