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All across America, we are Red Eye Radio. He is Eric Carley, and I'm Gary McNamara. I just want to play the audio cut one more time that we had played last hour, and this is the Democratic Socialist of America, Michaela Brangin, talking about the great utopia where there's no problems and everybody is happy because the government owns all businesses. They're all non-for-profit.

It's a utopia.

Here we go.

And you don't have to have a job just to pay the bills because you don't have a lot of bills, right? Bills are no longer a thing because there's not for-profit businesses that are constantly trying to exploit you and trying to, you know, put you into debt. And then you might just have like a normal day, right? Like you could actually have the freedom to move around. And so part of what we're trying to do is dispel the idea that socialism is just about like bureaucracy, meetings, order or anything like that. It actually is about freedom. It's about people being able to be themselves. It's about people being able to actually flourish under a system where they're not constantly being exploited and where they're not constantly worried about these basic things it takes to live. If you don't have to worry about the basic things it takes to live, then you can thrive, right? And then you can actually lead your life instead of just survive.

How many contradictions are in there? Oh, my gosh. When you hear the contradiction, you can be free, but you can't have a for-profit business. You're not going to be constantly exploited? And that's the other thing, too. See, that's how they view it. I'm not exploited by any business. No. I choose to do business. It's a voluntary action. Right. everything that i do in life is voluntary in the united states the closest that came to

exploiting me is when they wanted to name a former co-host davidson it's

harley davidson i'm not the harley i'm not that kind of harley guy and that was not me yeah uh

no it wasn't and and harley mcnamara is a horrible motorcycle name for a company yeah oh yes it

would be yes uh and uh but the it's hilarious when you don't you're not won't be exploited by these for-profit uh business here you know but when she talks about freedom but you can't have a business you can't make a profit that means you're capped individually but where she's completely clueless and so many liberals and democrats are they have no idea even people that call themselves conservatives yeah they're not conservative and they don't know how an economy works right you know you look at even when when trump put all the tariffs on and then was blindsided that he nearly just destroyed the economy with the bond market and had to back off immediately what was that within a couple of days oh yeah when they put the tariffs on right that means you don't understand how an economy works right otherwise you wouldn't have done that

Right.

So I can look at both sides and say, well, they're not both sides because if you're doing things where you don't understand economics, you're just as bad as the guy on the left who doesn't understand economics. Right. When Barack Obama said, we always go back to this, you didn't build that because it was the government that did it. He was, we were one of the few that blasted him. I mean, it was the night he said it, hours after he said it. He's completely clueless.

Well, because he said, you know, we built all the roads, the roads and the bridges. Those were built by the government and you didn't build that. And the problem is the big void in that statement was all of that. The roads and the bridges came from profits, the taxes on the profits.

And you actually really isn't a federal government construction company. No. You know, you, you might've had, you, you might, you might.

Might have had eminent domain and things like that that would have been done.

Maybe some state trucks in there, you know. But here's the thing, is that you don't do it without profits first.

No, but the major construction is all done by private construction companies and all the money. There is no money unless America makes a profit. This is what these idiots don't understand. Money has no worth.

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Which is what they want. They want you, because then when money goes away, this is, you know, it's bizarre. When money goes away, nobody needs it. We'll just get everybody to do their fair share.

Well, people don't even, people are clueless as to what gives money it's worth. They're completely clueless. They have no idea. Well, why was the Soviet Union worth nothing? Because they didn't produce a damn thing. Which, by the way, would mean... The currency is judged on the International Currency Exchange. Basically, the private market bidding and trading back and forth, that's what gives your currency. That's why, when you look at currencies, they're different all over the world. Right. Because it's a judgment. It's a free market judgment as to the health of your economy, and the health of your economy is the goods and services that you produce. Plus, you can also throw in huge government debt that can drag on an economy because of tax policy. Yeah. So it's all based on that. People don't understand everything crumbles if the companies don't make a profit. So when you're an idiot who comes out and says, your life will be so much better because all the companies will be nonprofit, well, then everything fails. Everything fails. You are completely clueless. You have no idea. You haven't even taken first grade economics if you don't understand that. It's bizarre. It's embarrassing.

It's just bizarre. And there's no way to – have they tried this on any of the financial channels of having this breakdown or debate over it where they try and present it? Oh, let's talk about the pros and cons of what the DSA wants. If you're on a financial channel, and they might be doing it on CNBC, who knows? But if you're on a financial channel and you're even entertaining the idea of any pros to this whole thing, you're in the wrong business. You need to quit your job.

I don't want to make a moral equivalency between the Democratic Socialists of America, Trump does understand an economy better than they do. Yes. There are still things that obviously he doesn't. Otherwise, he wouldn't have done them. And when you promote things that aren't about capitalism, you don't tell the truth. Well, here's the thing. Let me finish here. Socialism never tells the truth because when Trump said, I'm putting on these massive tariffs and foreign countries are going to pay for it, he lied to the American people. And that shows that he knows how an economy works, why he did it then when the sunshine hit, got blown out of the water on it. I have no idea why he did it. I don't know whether it's ego. I don't know what it is. I don't know why he lied. And remember how many people would call our show. You guys are wrong. Foreign companies and foreign governments pay for it. No, they don't. American companies do. The reason that our debt skyrocketed, the deficit for last month, why did it skyrocket? For all the money that had to be paid back because.

of the tariffs back to American companies.

And that's going to be an ongoing thing for a minute. That's going to be an ongoing thing because they're not done. This is the problem you look at Scott Besson out there saying, no, the importer pays. Well, he's saying other countries pay.

Yeah. Every day.

There's no way to explain that away.

No, you can't. You know, and when you have Trump, for example, talking about having equity in businesses. Now, it's a small amount as to what the Democrat Socialist of America want to do. But once you open that door. But you've opened the door for both sides to say, well, yeah, if our government, I mean, that's the path J.D. Vance is going down right now. Yeah. The path J.D. Vance is going down is, well, if it's the right government that's controlling more of the capital, then it's okay.

No, it's going to change. and he knows that it's bizarre but on the tariff debate it was over in december when the administration put an exemption on on 200 plus food products and they stated they stated it was to save families money money right exactly then why don't you take all the tariffs off

why don't you take all the tariffs off but socialism which it is government control of the capital and that's the what it was whether it's it's much more minor what trump wants compared to what the democrats want but it's still the same thing open the door and but when you promote socialism you have to lie you cannot tell the truth you have to live in a delusional world and you've seen examples of it you really see the examples from the democrat socialist of america but the populist conservative will jump aboard the socialism train if it's the right

tribal point to be at at that moment in time well it's you know and that's the thing too is that look at how much energy has been put on things that either shouldn't be in place by this administration that either shouldn't be in place or will never be in place. The 20% toll on the Strait of Hormuz. How many people were Googling, will my toll tag work in the Strait of Hormuz? I mean, you knew it wasn't going to happen. You knew you weren't going to be able to do that.

We mentioned that yesterday. I was like, wait a minute. that that's going to raise the price of oil that's going to raise the price of goods he's got to back off within 24 hours he backed off on it but but his instinct is to do it announce it uh-huh and then have to back off uh-huh and it's like so you know how it works why are you if you know how it works why are you doing it that's because on international

affairs that is not the art of the deal that is not part of negotiation one of the things that really was a red flag to me was when they put out one morning we're probably when he said we're probably going to take control of cargisle in today i said no you're not because you wouldn't announce that ahead of time because you wouldn't get that heads up to the enemy there's no way you would do that it would be such a huge uh accomplishment if you did it but you would announce it after it was done and secured we now have full control of karg island and this is what we're going to do but you put it out there for what well it doesn't even work as propaganda against the enemy and the reason is because they also know exactly what i just said you're not going to announce that ahead of time you're either going to do it or not and you'll talk about it after it's done like he did after we bombed their nuke facilities those are those are the those are the problems right now where there's too much energy going to things that aren't going to happen and making and creating discussions that mean nothing at the end of the day when the meaningful stuff the GOP is not promoting in in any meaningful way did you notice

yesterday yesterday or over the last five days you have had I don't know of one Republican or the influencers on social media and you know what I'm talking about that you know when the president does something

it's the right thing nothing on iran yeah nothing right republicans have been dead quiet on it because they don't know what the president's going to do now and i was reading a national review no rothman trump doesn't have the stomach for this no that already now he's back to we want to get them into a you know deal are we doing what's necessary and he said the president should spare the country and other protracted humiliation in iran and rip the band-aid off now that's it's he's talking about a deal again and we saw you know it was so bad what happened with the memorandum of understanding i mean it was horrible that we were we were giving them we were we were allowing them access to cash for things that they didn't have before the war right well if you do this will will open up this cash for you well that's why i called it the the art of the costanza deal if you understand the seinfeld yeah you're going backwards you're going backwards on it and now people are like you've got republicans and you got you got the hawks if you want to use that term the hawks don't know what to do because they don't know if this is going to sustain for a week and

then we're right back to where we were three weeks ago well it's why you and i i mean i i think i can certainly speak for myself on this I don't know if I can speak for you on this but but basically my approach has been I I don't take I take everything with a grain of salt because on Iran yeah well I think when I hear we've deployed 2,500 troops they're now on the ground in Iran you know and I hear that and I'll I'll know it because it may not be the president doing it it It will be Hegseth. It will be someone else at the Pentagon. The announcement will be made once it's happening. Talking about any deal with Iran is laughable. And the president knows it. He admitted it recently again. How many times has he admitted? They can't be trusted.

Well, he's the one that said.

They're playing me for a fool.

They're playing me for a fool.

And then this weekend he was asked, you know, and they're saying, you know, because the headlines were wrong. Well, yeah, the ceasefire's over and there's not going to be a deal. You know, that's basically what the headlines were reading. It's not what he said. He said, well, to me, the ceasefire's over. The negotiators can keep talking if they want. Well, you just contradicted yourself. Right there. The ceasefire is over. They can keep talking. They're not going to talk if the ceasefire is over. And if they were talking, there's not going to be a deal with Iran that you can trust. You cannot trust this regime. I don't know how else to put it. And we're talking 47 years of experience with this regime that the entire world is very aware of. And the one thing you know about them is that they can't be trusted.

And they don't care about economic benefits of their people.

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coming up following the bottom of uh the hour uh well the senate had the fraud hearing yesterday and the democrats didn't show oh uh the ranking member showed for the opening statement and then asked a couple of questions and he walked out yeah and it was funny because they said all right wait a minute we're not following order we need to have the next democrat speak on this ago there's no democrats here no on fraud and we're talking about the massive fraud saw fox yesterday uh brett baird do something on you know they believe like 500 billion dollars is being uh is is being taken out of our treasury each and every year by foreign adversaries wow and it's like the Democrats don't care about fraud. Why aren't they there? They don't care about fraud. No. Otherwise they'd be there.

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And he is Eric Carley, and I'm Gary McNamara. Yeah, the Senate had the fraud hearing yesterday, Rand Paul and his committee. And the question is, because of Minnesota, really the public now knows about it. And we know that Democrats are doing everything they can to just not pay attention to the fraud. They're doing everything. They went after Nick Shirley. They went after anybody who's attempting to expose fraud they're going after to demonize. And at the fraud hearing yesterday, only the ranking member showed for the opening statements a couple of questions. Then he was gone. There was not one single Democrat in the fraud hearing. Here's part of how they covered it on Brett Baer's special report yesterday. Here we go. Just so people understand what the government, what the GAO, the General Accounting Office, believes the fraud is in the United States. Here we go.

Government estimates show hundreds of billions of dollars are lost to fraud every year. The White House and congressional lawmakers are now investigating all kinds of illicit transactions from Medicaid scams to trade violations and emerging threats. Chief Washington correspondent Mike Emanuel tells us how lawmakers plan to address this issue big picture. Good evening, Mike.

Brett, good evening. Experts are warning House lawmakers about how foreign actors are using the latest technology to create fake identities to rip off the American taxpayer.

GAO estimates federal fraud losses at as high as $521 billion every year. Some of the identity industry have begun calling this moment World War fraud. And I understand why. We are no longer confronting isolated fraudsters.

fraudsters. Burris says the government is facing organized, increasingly sophisticated transnational fraud rings using AI at industrial scale. Outside technology experts say nicely

because our defenses are built program by program while their infrastructure is built to move across

all of them. In a Senate hearing earlier today, one expert called for empowering government officials to do more oversight. Senator Gary Peters was the only Democrat to show up. He says

skilled inspectors general would help he's the only one he showed up gave the statement walked off you know asked a couple questions then there were zero democrats in the hearing and here's how

that went all right here we go senator scott uh chairman chairman wouldn't a democrat go next

since the republican just testified if there were a democrat here yes so there's no democrats

present at a hearing about fraud?

There doesn't appear to be a great deal of interest across the aisle. Unbelievable. You know, we talk about voter ID, and you see where the public stands on it. And the public is overwhelmingly in favor. There isn't an issue. I don't think there's an issue out there that ranks as high as voter ID. No. I don't think there's any issue out there that crosses party line, crosses every single demographic, and the Democrats are completely against it. Completely against it. Why would you be against it? Fraud. That's it. Fraud. No, the Save America Act would be done if not for the Democrats. You want fraud. You want fraud in the elections. And if you're not showing up here.

Why wouldn't you show up here? You don't want to address it. Because they've been demonizing Mr. Shirley, who helped expose what happened in Minnesota. As far as I know, he was part of the testimony yesterday. You've been demonizing the people. And in California, too, with the Medicaid fraud and other stuff going on. You've been demonizing the people that have been exposing the fraud. And the only message that the American public can get out of that is you're pro-fraud. Yes. You know, and that's it.

It's why? Because you don't have enough concern to show up to a hearing?

Tell me what is, you're talking about the GAO is talking about a half a trillion. They claim that they care about having money that legitimately goes to the people who deserve it. And this is getting back to the point that we brought out yesterday, where the Republicans got to hit them on the radical transgender movement. They don't care about transgenders. They don't care about women. The radical transgender movement does not care about transgenders. They openly admit there's a huge mental health problem there, And they say the solution for it is to allow young kids to cut off their body parts. Yes. They don't give a damn about transgenders. They don't, obviously. They don't care about children. It's the most misogynist and sexist thing I've ever seen a political party do against women. Yep. Women in sports. Women in locker rooms. They don't care about them. And when it comes to fraud, you're talking about a half a trillion dollars. That could either go back to the taxpayers. or could actually fund the things that you wish to fund and you don't care about the fraud. And you don't care about it. You're okay with it. Tell me what, and that's, people say, why didn't they show up? Because they know they can't, the only option they had was to not show up because if you're pro-fraud, it's not going to look good. If you're attacking the people that expose the fraud, exactly. If you're demonizing them, you can't win that in the American public, but that's where they stand. Because tell me another reason. I would love to know the reason why we're talking about what the GAO says is a half a trillion dollars in fraud. And not one Democrat except the ranking member to give the opening statement and ask a couple of questions. and he leaves, there are zero Democrats at 99% of the hearing yesterday on fraud. Please, somebody tell me why.

Make sense of it to me. You mentioned the voter ID thing. Because there's very little moving parts here, right, on voter ID. It's very simple to understand. Should you have to demonstrate and show your ID and prove who you are when you vote? The answer is yes. And people will say yes. Very few people say no. Because they are okay with fraud. They understand how it works. That fraud is required to some extent to win certain elections. They know that. So then you get into fraud in general. Government fraud. Your taxpayer money being taken by bad guys. Foreign bad guys. Do you care about that? Yes or no? Let's see that survey. let's see that survey do are you concerned as an american taxpayer that your taxpayer dollars are being taken through fraud by foreign bad guys i don't know how that's not landslide territory hell yes i'm concerned should something be done about it follow-up question yes and the democrats don't show up and they're still winning elections

okay a new poll finds more than nine in ten voters believe corruption is a big problem across politics and government is that technically i'm trying to find i'm trying to find i did a quick search for yeah uh a fraud uh fraud in government uh poll here you know fraud because fraud is you

know you mentioned fraud and people were like oh no i'm no very few people are for fraud and the ones who are for it are fraudsters they're the ones benefiting from it from that kind of behavior but when you ask the american citizen are you greatly concerned about foreign bad guys taking your taxpayer money through fraud.

You ready? I did find a poll on it.

All right, let's hear it.

Americans link government fraud to rising cost of living new poll fines, which means they're concerned about it. A growing majority of Americans believe that government fraud is contributing to their financial strain, according to new polling, as federal prosecutors continue to secure convictions in high-profile cases. This is from ABC. The survey released by the State Financial Officers Foundation found 83% of respondents say fraud or misuse of government funds contributes to higher taxes or increased costs for families. Isn't that the exact same number, 83% for voter ID for fraud? I think it's somewhere in that range, yeah. We're like, okay, this might be the same. But that makes sense. More than half, 52%, say the federal government has not gone far enough to identify and stop fraud. I bet you that 52% is probably way more Republican than it is Democrat because Democrats don't care. They don't seem to care at all about Minnesota. It really shocked me how the Democrats were like, they knew, and they were like, they didn't. But their constituents don't seem to care.

No. it's not a thing where are the people pounding on the doors going hey that's my money it's bizarre absolutely bizarre that you would have anybody not concerned about bad guys from other countries taking your taxpayer dollars through fraud you would think that that

if anything would be bipartisan it would be but think about it if voter id isn't bipartisan yeah if the vast majority and probably 90 percent of democrats in congress yeah i could be wrong it might be higher could be uh-huh are against voter id yeah when 75 percent of their constituents

are for voter id you got a problem they get away with it because they both because for whatever reason it's not a priority on the voters mind it doesn't keep the voter from voting for you know

them it so and and you can't say the republicans are making up the they're just making this up no because in minnesota two defendants uh recently pleaded guilty in the feeding our future case a scheme that prosecutors say exploited a federal funded pandemic era child nutrition program to steal roughly a quarter of a billion dollars in taxpayer money another individual tied to the case was sentenced this week to more than three years in prison authorities are also pursuing and this is a case i was talking about in california where five people were arrested in connection with an alleged 267 million dollar hospice fraud scheme targeting the state's medicare programs wow wow yeah but as you see the the 80s a landslide number of the public including democrats believe fraud is a huge problem that's costing them money yep and democrats are like we're not going to show we don't care about fraud right i guess we can't sell our pro-fraud narrative to the american public yeah because what else is it right what point

would you make in that hearing what point would you have to say to the person who was largely responsible for uncovering the fraud what would you how would you argue with that person right

there's no way you can say he made it up what's your reason for not showing right your reason is You're pro-fraud. Yes. Tell me what the other reason would be.

No, that's it.

There is no reason.

That's it. We want this to continue. Right. It's worked in our favor. It's worked in our favor. Hey, we get the fraudsters' support. Yeah, right. I mean, that demographic, man, we're skyrocketing.

Because that's what boggles my mind. They actually thought and said, we cannot show up for this. right we cannot show up right they're not saying the fraud isn't happening they're just demonizing they're just outright demonizing with personal insults and they're just these non-existent

completely at the hearing right not there nothing why fraud yep some of them might be out there promoting

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He's Eric Carling. I'm Gary McNamara. For those people who had said back when, you know, were hoping that Republicans could win, that's why they were hoping for two Republican candidates for governor. Yeah. They were hoping that was happening. Latest poll in Beshara up over Hilton, 61 to 36, 25. The last three polls, 22, 23, and 25.

Yeah.

California wants to be a declining state. Yep. Yep. They're choosing this. In fact, you took the person, Beshara is viewed as the absolute, by Democrats, as the absolutely worst person to serve in a Democrat administration. Completely and totally incompetent is how he was viewed by Democrats. Yes. Just to show you this, this, the people Democrats want the insanity. They want the worst of what the Democratic Party and the Democratic Socialists of America bring. We warned the voter wants it. The Democratic voter wants it.

At the start of the Biden administration, we warned they're not done yet. They're going to get more and more extreme, and it's playing out right now all over this country, including California.

And if Hilton wins, I'll say I was wrong.

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