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Joining us, I don't know how we pulled this one off, well you pulled this one off, legendary filmmaker Uwe Boll is joining us on the program today. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for being on, man. We really appreciate it.

Yeah, hi. I just had to change my name from my wife's name to me.

Whatever you got. Trust me.

You got to love Zoom. It's always just like these weird random names. Yeah, I need to change my name on my wife's credit card, too.

I feel you. I get it. Trust me. Welcome, man. Thanks for being on. I appreciate it. I know we worked the time out. I don't know what's later over there for you, but thanks for being on, man. You know, I've watched a lot of your movies over the years, and honestly, I'll tell you, our producer is probably one of your biggest fans, Pessy. I mean, he is, he, once we heard, he hasn't stopped talking about it. So thank you for coming on.

That's good. He has been so giddy about this.

Yeah, he has. He has. So we're excited to have you on. And, and, and, and of course, you know, everybody, everybody, everybody's been talking about you lately because of blood rain. No, I'm kidding. Which, by the way, by the way, I like that movie, so I don't care. But it was, it was obviously Citizen Vigilante, which I just saw again for the second time. and my wife watched it with me yesterday. I ended up really liking that movie. I enjoyed it because I think you have more balls than a lot of other filmmakers right now.

Yeah, look, that was for me the plan to do a so blunt in-your-face movie what nobody would do, what nobody even touched the subject matters in a critical way, you know, and I was so tired of watching movies where people getting stepped, pushed in front of subways or whatever. You know, I mean, it's just like, and all the media, all the streamers, whatever, they sugarcoat this kind of feeling. And I think the movie exploded, not necessarily only because like Elon Musk loved it. I think it was already got some traction. Otherwise, Elon Musk would not even recognize it or whatever, like would never get any info about it so i think it was going around that there is a movie what is

so unusual um that people had to talk about it yeah i think it got a i think it got a lot of traction because it's because the movie was banned in germany right is that's what happened correct they just yeah what was your reasoning for for not wanting to have the movie out no it was like uh

they said it instigating violence against migrants and you know they said like and i said look no movie is triggering uh violence it's the reality what triggers violence it you know like that's the thing it's always when you remember when all that school shooters were at one point accused because they played video games they shot up their school that's also of course you know That maybe some school shooters had as a hobby playing video games, but that was not the reason they did this. They had real reasons to do stuff. And I think that's the same situation now what a lot of people face. It's this kind of in public spaces in Europe, for example, where the movie plays, you're not safe at the railway station. at the, you know, like stuff like where people running around are under drugs or crazy, basically, and you feel uncomfortable. You don't know what's going on if you're like in Germany on the market square, in the Christmas market, everywhere are security based on people drove into the crowd. You know, I mean, all this was not existing when I grew up. I mean, it was completely out of the thing. And then when you come up with some real facts, like, for example, Poland and Hungary, they didn't took all that migrants and they don't have that problem, you know, but the media always sugarcoats it and say, look, enough Germans. I mean, you can imagine what a movie, how many podcasts I did in Germany and interviews to German media. and so we were fighting that rating we showed the movie three times and on the on the third time they gave it an 18 plus but only for theatrical release not for streaming and apple amazon whatever and because they know the movie was already kind of done theatrical you know like it's not helping me that now I have an 18 plus in the movie theaters because the movie theaters are not playing it anymore so you know that's that's the thing and i think that is what elon musk also who's always against the censoring that got him you know where he felt like no now i want to give this movie a push because it is not allowed uh in germany yeah

you know and i didn't uh i didn't particularly like that uh i just watched a um i just watched you on pierce morgan and uh i forget who it was but somebody had actually kind of dismissed your film as like oh well just elon musk tweeted it out and it's like they kept trying to dismiss his film as it's like oh well it's only doing good because elon musk tweeted it out and it's like okay but if he tweeted it out do you think that maybe that's because it's resonating with people and i'm just wondering have you faced uh any other like uh setbacks or uh you know have people come after you have you have you faced any challenges because of this film yeah look it

started at the afm in los angeles uh in november last year where we showed the film first time and army hammer was there we were like really excited and then the buyers at the film market they watched it and people came to me they said i love the film but i can never buy this film I can never distribute it. A Dutch guy came in. He said, I love the film. If I buy it, I will be out of business. They were really scared in buying the film. So there we saw already, oh, there will be problems with the marketing. And so we sold U.S. and Canada. And I sold German-speaking in England. They were like solid sales right off the bed. But then, of course, the German buyer was super pissed when he didn't pass the rating stuff. You know, he said, like, what the fuck? I mean, what should I do now? So, and England is rolled out now. It's right now in England. And I got a thing today. We're number seven there on Amazon or iTunes. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, because, I mean, it was kind of too, like, streaming it for 48 hours free on X has also a disadvantage, right? so for like how many times you will sell it after is the question is is it like accelerating the

sales or is it like well here's the thing i saw it on x but then for me i think it probably helped here's the reason why because i know how it works i ended up well i watched it when it was on x but then i ended up purchasing it yesterday main reason is i wanted to see it on my big tv right and for the most part a lot of if there's the movie i've seen in both you know on my phone and on tv it's definitely better it's it's a proper film so it's definitely better to watch on a big tv so that's why i did it i don't think it really might have hurt that as much you know i mean yeah i was out there for free a lot but i mean a lot of people have been you know i've talked to people that go did you see this movie can you believe it and it's weird because your reason for censorship is what you said it's it's it's not even it's not even because it's too violent or it's it's just because it is go it's going to stir up these feelings but this is the thing that they never call you a liar right they never say you're lying in the film these things aren't happening they just go we can't have people look at them and then what happens with every time they do this it destroys an effect right it becomes forbidden and when something becomes forbidden everybody everybody wants it and everybody wants to see it and speaking of which there was i saw the backlash Did any of the cast get backlash? Were they bothered by this? Because, I mean, for as strong as many people were defending it, of course, that just made a lot of people on the left really mad and keep doubling down.

Yeah, so it was from the cast, everybody, when they're friendly in the movie, they all liked it. But it was a tough time to get that Arab guys, right? So, you know, this rapist and so on. And I had various agencies looking into younger kind of Arab or black actors. And I got a lot of flag, you know, I'm not playing this. That's ridiculous. And I said, but look, are you an actor or not? I mean, Anthony Hopkins had no problem to play Hannibal Lecter. So, I mean, you know, like, why not playing a rapist? What's the point? So then the family, the sister is from Israel, actually. Oh, okay. So she looks Arabic, but she's Jewish. The brother is a Muslim, but he was from Paris. And the two parents were from Egypt. And it was not so easy because I had to find four people. They look kind of similar, that it's believable. These are the parents of these two guys. The other guys were easier to cast because it's one-offs, right? So it's like one guy, one guy, one guy. so but after they were all like they're still in contact with me and i said no they like the movie the movie shows a real threat and i

I got also what is interesting recently, various emails from Iran, you know, I mean, you think from Iran, so the death threat is coming or something, but it was the opposite side. It was like really people that are not in the government, but they are not against the government of Iran right now. And they said, your movie is totally correct. Only the bad guys went to Europe and we would all kill them. yeah you know there's so you think you get a threatened email from iran but in reality you get a an email from iranian like hardcore mullahs basically they say look here is rape you're dead

no and that's and that's and that's so funny because he does he does say that in the movie he goes i'm starting to think that you guys are just sending your worst over here and i'm like yeah that's that's that's that's a great point and and i and i think that it's funny you brought up i brought up because i saw i did read see you in an interview say that you were having issue casting the muslim parts and the rapist parts and it's just so funny because like we're not going to do this but then you ask a white guy hey you want to be a murder pedophile yeah man whatever whatever you need me to do dude i'll be whatever you want man what's it pay oh you want me to be a baby killer sure oh you want me to just be the guy in seven no problem and it's like it's make-believe it's okay like i thought that freak out was so funny because isn't that what acting is like it's a script yeah do what it says no and i think look exactly i think i think two

things i want to answer when you said the guy at pierce morgan yeah uh i saw that a lot also in the review from the variety and stuff where they just want because they don't want to discuss the real fact they just want to belittle the movie right they just are like no it's trash overboard it's so many video game based movies it's all trash whatever so don't take it serious they try that the people don't take the movie serious in this reviews from this bigger film magazines. So, and that's like idiotic and cheap because, I mean, look at the Rotten Tomatoes, 94% positive from the audience, but even more, if it would be like a completely unimportant little trash movie, why then every newspaper in the whole world wrote almost the full page about it? You know, because it is not an unimportant movie. I think it's actually the most important movie of the whole year because it brings that subject matter up that there is something off. You know, like where, and for me, when I have the discussions about like migration, whatever, look, I have Muslim friends. I have like nothing against Muslims. I also have nothing against migration. but in today's time when you have something against rapists and violent perpetrators and say they need harder punishment you are a nazi they think you're like the kluk kluk's clan boss so it's like completely insane and that's where we're living now you know like this this kind of the left basically who controls the media yeah i mean we have to face it there is not one studio what for example we tried now to sell also the normal streaming rights like they're all past netflix amazon even paramount plus didn't want it where you think paramount plus should buy even paramount plus that's weird okay so far so far it's no deal and they bought a lot of my movies they bought first shift they bought a run and and stuff like this and no they're all scared of the criticism what comes in, you know? And that's very, very, for me, that's ridiculous. Like, where are we? That you, as you said, if you have a guy, like, look, Euphoria, the show, right? I mean, it's totally violent and totally perverted, like left and right, you know, totally sexualized, what Sidney Sweeney plays basically almost porn there, right? So, and nobody gives a shit. Everybody's totally fine with it. Of course, there's a normally drug-addicted cyclist. We love these people. You know, really. And then you show a real scene, what happened 100,000, like when 50,000, 60,000 knife stabbings in Europe within two years. Like 50,000, 60,000. It's not like you have, like, rarely something happen.

It's, like, nonstop across the planet. And, I mean, in New York also, this kind of knife stabbings and people getting robbed, getting pushed in front of the subway. So, and a lot of this is connected also to radical Islam. You know, it's connected to this kind of fanatics who are, like, basically running through inner cities and yelling, kill everybody, kill all non-believers, blah, blah, blah. And that's, for me, like, where I draw the line for myself. You know, where I say, look, we cannot have people running in our country who came out of their countries because it's shit. They came to our country.

our countries and now basically want to change our country in the shithole they came from

yeah and and then and also then then you know then like you know in the uk now it's like oh yeah you can't have a knife but you could have a ceremonial knife and now this is like these two tiered systems of where it's literally the jim crow thing done opposite now where it's like no you know what you're a seek you could have a knife but you you're gonna go get a pump i saw this a pumpkin carving kit oh your parent has to go with you to buy that and and it's it's all it's not even that they're bringing them in but they're giving them preferential treatment they're giving them housing where you know i saw a tyler robinson video where they're going down the streets of germany there's homeless people on the ground oh frankfurt frankfurt doing drugs and then you and then these they come over here they get they get education and they keep because they're look statistically speaking it's not racist to say they're not turning into engineers and doctors they keep they promised us that that was the build you know build a sale but if it's like if this if this was so great right then somalia should have a space program like like you know what i mean like if the people you're sending over here are so awesome you know there should be wakanda and it's not and it's a lie that's been doing that but it's it's white people are so easy to guilt and you know we just well they feel it's death by sympathy you know death by sympathy where somebody doesn't stand up and i know you said you were inspired by that incident in 2016 when that girl was raped and that's a big part of it and that's like how do you look at that

and not be filled with rage yeah and if you're like the parent the thing is what what was for me the scandal in this uh there were two rape situations in hamburg they were similar nobody went to jail and it's this kind of like what you think about the victim you know what judge you are that's the reason in my movie he kills the judge too because that's the same way you feel like so you have eight rapists and then like okay but guys you are traumatized from afghanistan whatever like you should not go to jail that means you give a shit that now they're free and living still in the same neighborhood as the victim yeah you know i mean it's not like they live there are rich people that just can change locations or something they are locked in their shitty apartments they live including the victim right so and it's like this kind of like i just that that drove me over the edge and made me so furious that i wrote that whole stuff based on this case in a way as a highlight as the final like amalgamation in the movie in the end and because that's where we are right now where where people justify or trying to sugarcoat violent like perverted credit predators it's ridiculous it's like nobody would accept this when somebody comes in your house and whatever let's say new guests or new friends coming in and you say look guys just put the shoes out the street shoes out and just we eat in the living room on the cup and whatever and then we'll give a shit right they say like no i'm not putting shoes out then it's over i would say yeah okay if you don't put your shoes out you can just turn and go home and that's it right so and but in countries, we bent backwards over and accept all the total bullshit. I was last week in Rulantica. It's like a huge... I was with my sons there. It's like an outdoor indoor swimming pool with hundreds of slides. It's like a huge thing. And it's right at the French border. I never saw, like in years... Every year, at least one or twice, there were so many full Boca women like in the water with the whole thing on they're like waterboarding themselves because they have the whole thing on and the kids running around the guys are all normally dressed like swim pants on so they're not doing it, the men not but and you feel like they're all running around they all have iPhones so they all enjoy, as you said in the beginning all the western world inventions and luxus and food and this Rolandica thing but they don't learn like okay is that not should I not change

based on that's fun here and where I come from there is a water puddle in the mud because we're not able to build a pool like this with the filters and all this shit what you need to to have a massive slides and all this stuff half pipes and whatever so the the salute but they don't do this and because i follow really like a lot of people and and look what they say all this imans in the mosque whatever it's like they are full of hate against the society

society they live in, and they enjoy. They drive the pickup truck and all this shit. So they completely adjust to the luxus or to the stuff, right? But they totally, like, close in when it comes to the family. And that was the reason I did that line in where the daughter says, the girl basically deserved to get raped because she was, like, kind of more sexy dressed and you shouldn't do it. your own fault if you then get grabbed in the bush so uh and i a lot of people attacked me for that line and said why like the midi guy on pierce morgan right who is like what you killed an

innocent family yeah not really no no that's the point when i saw that scene right when i saw that scene i was i was talking to my wife and i was telling her it's like yeah if you come into this blind you don't get it but when you hear what they're saying it wasn't just that the if the parents were just shown remorse in that scene but they were like no they were doubling down they were like no he's a good boy what are you talking about in my culture it's okay to rape people and then when you hear that you're like oh boy like you're not condoning what what the vigilante does in the movie but you are going like oh this you're not gonna stop are you you're you you this is in your brain and even if he's this is a problem that's going to continue and and that's true and that whole and that whole scene which is like oh it's what you were wearing it's like i have literally seen muslim dudes say that on street interviews in dearborn michigan like not like in iraq in dearborn michigan we have the same thing like we talked about in our show where now that was a town that was now you get an islamic call to prayer on a speaker everywhere you go and it's loud and it's like look it's not practice your religion but to me and maybe you'll you could tell me if you agree with this, it's how fast it happened. It feels like just from when I was younger to now, it was so fast. The change happened so fast.

Yeah, and you had like the first wave of like in Germany when the economy was booming, we had all Italians and Turkish people came in and they worked. They're all integrated. They were not really religious. They were people that looked for a better life and whatever. But since 2016, since like Merkel let all the Syrian guys in, it went completely off. Now you have like eight, nine million people came in in that time period. They're very radical. They're very radical Islamistic people and they cost money like I did today. I got an article in a newspaper. So in Europe, only the Netherlands, only the Holland, they actually accounting per migrant or whoever comes in, is this person making us money or cost us money? They're really going for it, like checking what is the school, what is this, blah, blah, blah. And they basically came to the conclusion, like everybody who comes in from other Scandinavian or English, whatever, Holland makes money on them, like 200,000. But everybody from the Middle East or down, like Somalia, Senegal, Syria, Afghanistan, cost the taxpayer around 600,000 bucks per year. Per year? Yes, because of what, like the household, not the individual, like per household. Because it's not only that they're getting their money, they're getting the health care, they're getting housing, and they're getting social service workers working for them, right? So they are like, they cost the government money in just handling them, you know, like language courses, whatever. and it's like a minus of a half a million bucks. And, I mean, Holland is small. They don't have so many people in comparison to Germany, right? So, but in Germany, the numbers are 100% the same, but they are not trying to even get the numbers because then you could attack the government and could say, are we crazy? Like, what the fuck? You know, why are we spending so much money for people we don't want and people who are not really bringing anything here to the table? So, and that's the thing, where only Holland is doing it in all of Europe. All the other countries like England, whatever, they are dead silent about also the passive costs. You know, they just say, we give these guys $1,500 a month. Yeah, but look, what are all the other costs when you put this together? You know, like I know a lot of kids where because they have six, seven, eight kids, they're getting free taxi to school. You know, when it comes in the morning, comes a transporter, like a VW bus or something, and then the six kids getting driven to school because the woman has no driver license and whatever. So also this, that's per day, 80 bucks per day, right? 20 days a month. So in all of this costs, nobody really accounts for it. So that's what I think is crazy.

Why we do this to us, you know?

And as soon as you say something like this in like German left wing podcast, I said it all the time. I said, I don't know, but I don't think we owe anybody in Senegal anything or in Afghanistan, you know. And that's the thing. It's like, I mean, for what? Why do we do this? And because we have to, the old days and they're always coming up with the colonization in Africa and blah, blah, blah, you know. But, I mean, that's 300 years ago.

Yep.

So that's crazy. And the media guy, coming to Piers Morgan one more time, there are videos from this guy. He's a total, like, Islamistic guy, right? There are videos from him with a full, like, costume on, and he comes then in his talk shows, puts a nice suit on, and acts like he's a super sophisticated analyst. but in reality he's a total propaganda guy nothing else you know and it's also from pierce morgan i think it was kind of a cheap shot well i mean to put that guy well that's that's

that's pierce but to be fair that's pierce morgan pierce morgan is pierce morgan's a 60 year old podcaster now who does who basically does people scream at each other that's that's how he gets his clips like you know that's true he's very he always has the two sides yelling at each other

yeah but i will agree it is it is basically propaganda i mean i watched like on the way in um because i was excited about this interview so i just was popping on one after the other just interviews with people and i mean you've been and bravely you have been going on like you haven't oh you haven't said no you have showed up to every one of these hostile uh panels but um It does feel sort of like engineered. It just feels like they're all, like, it almost feels like the white blood cells are out just attacking. Like, every time you come on, it's you versus three guys.

Yeah, three guys, and then the internet, and then the article they write the next day.

And it seems like they really are trying to entrap you into, like, everybody wants to get that soundbite, you know? So everybody keeps trying to sort of, like, goad you into saying like this is your kind of like fantasy isn't it you have like a revet like they keep like i just noticed they keep asking these very like uh loaded questions like they

it almost seems like every every attempt has been a gotcha no 100 and uh i had that last like in germany like there is a a famous film podcast and the guy said i want to talk about citizen and then when it came when the podcast popped up and i logged in he had like a pink hair totally like transgender interviewer you know and she was like whatever free gaza and started directly with all the bullshit and i was like what the fuck you know because i saw that guy interviews me but he did it on purpose so and she then i started talking with her about crime she lives in berlin and i said look and she said i'm totally safe nothing ever happened to me i said yeah lucky you but you cannot like uh based on nothing ever happened to you maybe

nobody well it's always the ugly ones you always notice it's the ugly ones that nothing ever nothing ever happened to me well you're 500 pounds of septum piercing and have pink hair

so i mean you know we know why yes and that's what i didn't want to insult her so bad but But I said, if you just completely ignore the facts, and I had that in my, like, some friends of mine, too. They know that one Afghanistan guy who's perfectly behaving, and now all these guys are good. And I said, look, the one guy, 100%, you're totally right. But if you just not read the criminal statistics, whatever. And then she started saying the Germans raping more people as the migrants. And I said, but not gang rapes in public spaces where they grab girls out of the subway in the bush or out of a pool. I said, yeah, there may be more like filed rape cases where the guy rapes the wife or whatever. Right. So but it's nothing what the public safety is destroying. You know, if somebody is doing tax evasion or a fraud and he's in a criminal statistic as a gangster, basically, that's not my problem. That's not a threat for me. For me, it's a threat if my 12-year-old son goes to the bus and there are people, they have knives and whatever, and he gets bullied or whatever, or maybe even stabbed. That's my worry. that there are so many random crimes where you have this kind of, you have the feeling like they don't care.

about the consequences, that they maybe go lifelong to prison, but they just don't care. They just do it, and that is dangerous. That's the thing what we don't want. And she doesn't saw any, like, connection to it. She basically said, I make all this up. And I said, look, go online and search for videos where people attacking other people, like in inner city, on railway stations, whatever, and you will barely find a non-migrant doing this shit. Like, it's, like, almost impossible. You know, I told them, also, show me the one fucking gang rape where, like, five blonde Germans did it in the last ten years. Just watch

any media from the 90s, even early 2000s. It's not, you could just go documentaries from the area. It's how quickly it changes, and it's like, yeah, that wasn't never happening. and and also i wanted to go back to the film really quick i wanted to make sure because i wrote this down i wanted to let you know i love the practical effects they were the the scene the scene with the safe room when they come inside that was that was i love i rewind i watched it i was so good i love the practical effects they were amazing the heads blown up were fucking

awesome yeah i hired olaf ittenbach i had him at tunnel rats i had him at blood rain so and he's a very good blood effect guy you know like where when you have like um when i shot in new york first shift the cop movie like in new york based on the alec baldwin thing if you shoot one blank you have like a security conference for 25 minutes if you you know it's a completely absurd and if if you go in like in europe or like croatia you should shoot like full blanks and have full explosions with the blood packs and nobody gives awesome how was it filming in croatia was i mean

It was, it seemed pretty, it seems like they're a little more, they're a little more lax with all that kind of stuff, like you said. Yes.

You have, like, the total, like, military guys doing armoring, and that's, I mean, of course, in America, the Baldwin thing, they're now using to make more money. You know, you shoot, like, one blank, whatever, a mafia guy in New York shoots another guy, one blank, 3,000 bucks, right? And you think, like, are you fucking kidding me? And then, I mean, I did so many movies like Rampage 1 or also Tunnel Rats where we shot thousands and thousands and thousands of rounds. And that was always like reasonable, you know, and now the price explosion. But in Croatia, I shot Max Schmeling, the boxing movie. I shot Blood Rain 3 and Run and then now this. And these guys are a little more relaxed. You know, it's also film friendly in a way you get a permit and then they're not like on you the whole time.

Oh, they're not hounding you. Yeah, because when you film in like New York or L.A., you have to pay two people to be on set that are overlooking these people. And then the union is also overlooking those people. Yeah.

Yeah. No, no. It's like that's endless loop of senseless pay to people you don't need. And that's what is easier there. they'd also had a whole discussion about when they were like, oh, in LA, nobody wants to shoot in LA anymore, let's give more tax rebates, but it's not the tax rebate it's all that restrictions you know, it's like you cannot shoot this way oh, the sidewalk, no, the sidewalk also not possible, so that's the shit, what makes people don't want to shoot there, that you're not like like, I'm shooting here in the park, why I need anybody you know, as long you don't like dump shit out or something but that's the thing it's like even Armie Hammer told me he shot a movie in LA recently and they were in the middle of the night in a park and seen I don't know what park it was but so they shot and then they wanted to shoot in the other direction and the guy said no you have only a permit to shoot in this direction what

what what

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and they all said and Armie said also he said like what the fuck I mean you have to when two people talk, you need to turn the camera around to get the other coverage, right? So the guy refused it and wanted to shut down the whole production. Like a guy from the park and city people in the middle of the night when nobody gives a fuck that you're in the park. And so, but that's the problems why in this kind of cities nobody wants to shoot movies

anymore. Yeah. It's kind of like reminds me of that episode of The Simpsons when they're filming the movie in town and they just kept coming up. They kept coming up with different taxes and like there's like there's a long pants tax yeah i love you know what i mean

uh pesi you had some questions yeah uh hi uh mr bowl big fan huge huge fan of yours uh since i saw house of the dead

in theaters and it was all just from there big fan i've watched postal a million times stoic is one of my favorite prison films ever fantastic blubber ella which you shot at the same time as third ride amazing love you man citizen vigilante was great um also beating the shit out of critics in a boxing ring was just you're fucking awesome man um so one of my questions actually is is because some of these movies, you get these actors, these big-named actors, to do some of the fucking craziest shit, including, like, J.K. Simmons, Dave Foley, incredible. I'm just wondering, were there any actors you worked with who were particularly difficult that you would just said after that, nope, fuck this, never again, nope, no more?

I mean, I do a lot of times my director's commentary is on the DVDs, right? So, look, Michael Madsen, like, rest in peace, right? I like him as an actor. He was tough, like, on Blood Rain. He was drunk and was a little out of control. That was very tough, and he couldn't learn the lines. He was just saying other stuff, and that's, for the other actors, horrible, right? When the other actors are in the scene, and you don't know what this guy is doing or saying, And you have to just react to it. Ben Kingsley had like a sword fight with him and BloodRayne. And he said, I'm not doing that. He said, like, I'm out of here. Like, he was killing me. Like, you know, he was drunk with his sword. And then he said, goodbye. So we had a stunt guy doubling Ben Kingsley. Did he survive? Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then, no, no. But then we had also Michael Madsen's stunt guy doing the reverse where we had Ben Kingsley fighting. Yeah, that was not so easy. But for example, Ray Diotta, I shot In the Name of the King and suddenly with two movies. And In the Name of the King with the Jason Stessa movie I did, Ray had problems. He doesn't felt good with the wig on and this kind of Lord of the Rings style. And I felt at that point, It was the first movie I did with him. And I felt, oh, God, that's complicated here. He is, like, not happy. And then when I shot the Suddenly movie where he's just a cop, no problem, you know, like super easygoing. So he was just in his thing, what he always did. And so he felt comfortable and was the nicest guy on set ever. Yeah. But I didn't have a lot of problems with actors in general. I think actors like to work with me because I'm not, like, I let them do their thing but I'm not a director who goes like to micromanaging them it's like okay you know let's try it how you want to do it and then give them the room to play a scene the way I want it and to see like okay that's working or not then you do a little corrections but I know a lot of directors they're so like demanding on something I mean also Armie told me a lot of things he worked with Fincher he worked with Nolan he worked with like the top-notch directors and he said it's sometimes it's like you feel like limited you know to just fulfill this one specific thing and I like it a little more like this kind of try and error try it you know if you feel you can do this a little harder a little like also on Citizen Vigilante I think the effect came because ARMY played this guy absolutely ice cold You know, like we really discussed it.

Should he flip out on them? No. I think it's way better the way he plays it, like this completely stone cold. He made his judgment and only wants them to verify why he sits there. You know, I think he knows already when he goes there that he will kill them. He knows he will kill the judge. And so it's not like there's a discussion open and they can convince me to get off. so uh and i think that was important for the this kind of character that scene with the mold

man that was great because you that that really showed exactly what he was like that small where he was like he's having sex with this girl and he couldn't he couldn't get over the fact that there was mold on he tried to ignore the mold he's like no no i can't no listen look i'm the property man listen to me this needs to be it was so it was such a it shows you how ocd he is how very particular he is about that you know and his dad was the military dude too that was that was that was that was a very he was terrifying like the way he played that character when that that scene that you said with the muslims when he's sitting there and you're like man

They're all dead. They don't even know they're dead. And the way he played it, that was absolutely terrifying.

But that's my favorite, besides the bus ticket scene, when he folds these people who doesn't want to buy their bus tickets. But when he kills the first wave in the room and then looks at his messages, because he knows, see, I have to wait. I don't know when these other guys pop up. And that's for me, that's terrifying because he's staying completely calm. He knows he had a silencer. The only people who will ring the bell will be the next wave of guys coming in and I will just liquidate them. And then I have to wait another time until the next group is coming and he stays completely calm about it. So that's really good. I'm very happy about his performance, you know like that that he is able to do stuff like this and um yeah and i hope he gets really

back in the game i hope he does too he's great yeah no uh citizen vigilante was a lot of fun i i'm assuming based on kind of how it ended you plan it would you plan on doing a sequel for that

one yeah i'm writing it right now so i mean i have some ideas but it will play in america

awesome so we're better if you need a podcast playing in the background we'll do it for free man don't even worry about it we're easy to work with oh he might be drunk like michael madsen but

other than that no i'm kidding listen i might be drunk but i'm much less difficult than michael madsen he won't get a sword i don't think so i maybe come back to this because we need this

social media appearance when this i know you know this is the new media man this is the promise you

know you were right earlier when you said like you know they they control the media they do but they're they're scared that's why this movie made them freak out because they can't a lot of stuff or they can't control the narrative in as much as they used to because no one goes to cnn people go talk to joel rogan you know what i mean like those are the people that are people are listening to nobody nobody really nobody really cares what what you know i don't know jake tapper saying on cnn

like you know nobody gives a shit well and we can agree too the reason they hate this movie too it's It's not the message that's in the movie, and it's literally the reason they hate this movie is because everyone likes it. Yes, that's another point. And that's what's bothering them. Everyone's going, oh, I really liked that movie, and they're going, no, you're not allowed to like this movie.

And they got so mad, because it's like, no, you're supposed to like Supergirl. They're like, no, that movie fucking sucks.

I did like that you specifically took a shot at Supergirl on Piers Morgan. Yes. I did. I picked up what you were laying down there. He specifically was like, people want to watch Supergirl. No. We're done watching it.

we're done watching those films i i'm done i was done with comic films for a while now but every film is a is that's why people are hopping on this one this is different even either small the bigger films now like you have back rooms right that one's a small budget film it's blowing these other ones out of the obsession like people people aren't people like if you want

someone to go back rooms was good because it was just weird and different yeah it's literally all it was it was just weird and different and it was like thank you i just wanted something weird something where somebody's not wearing a cape and we're like, I got, look, I've been over superhero movies since the first Iron Man movie. That's it. I went in, I went, okay, that was nice. I didn't know we were going to get 25 years of this crap. Yeah. It's a lot. Yeah, and you

see it in the box office that a lot of these movies tank from the get-go and most of them, even the ones who have a good first weekend, have an almost catastrophic second weekend. So it goes very quickly downhill you know so and uh i agree it's like there are not a lot of i don't need another batman i don't need another superman i'm done with all this stuff yeah you know it's better to watch the old three star wars again from the very beginning as to watch any other more star wars stuff and they they try to be safe and then they don't play it safe because they think oh i'm for doing another star wars for 250 million it will kind of work but it doesn't no it doesn't

it doesn't it doesn't they made that they made that that that mandalorian movie and nobody went to see it because everyone's like enough like also you know what it makes stuff less special because now it's it's not like you're just getting or mercy brought up the the cape ship but also like the star wars stuff it's like you're not just getting a movie you're also getting five tv shows you know what i mean you're getting five tv shows and the market becomes oversaturated and after around like i don't i don't and also because what's going like you brought up what's going on in the real world it's like somebody just got like shot like in our cities are falling apart why isn't superman helping this because that's not helping this and no one wants to talk about it and they didn't like it because also you know you didn't have like elliot page playing the vigilante too you know you also have to tick boxes now and that's the truth

You do. You have to tick boxes. If not, if it's like, you know, if you don't have two black women, a lesbian, and a trans person in a movie, it's like, well, I'm sorry. We just can't put that in theaters. And it's like, what? Is that really where we're at? How about tell the story? I don't even, by the way, I don't care who plays what in a movie. I'm not one of those guys that gives a shit. But I also don't want movies to be made off of like, well, we need a black guy in this movie. It's like, no, what are we talking about? No, are you kidding me? This movie is about Scandinavia. Like, it's about Vikings. We don't need that, actually.

Exactly. Like, or Stalingrad, the second world. You have, like, loads of black people and Asians running around in Russia. I know. It's absurd. You know, it's totally absurd. And it's, but that's where we are. And you have, like, when you, like, when Amazon likes a project, then you get, like, a matrix from them. And then you need to fill out individual points, specific questions. And halfway through, when you recognize, I'm not diverse enough, I will be fucked. You know, like when you actually fill these things out, you feel already, oh God, it will never work. I'm white. I'm heterosexual. Whatever. I'm dead. You're not allowed. Whatever. So it's really like, it's unbelievable, but that's how it is. And you see also that this kind of the surrounding media, you know, this kind of the BuzzFeed, the variety, all this, this media outlets, they're all pushing that agenda. And then the streamers falling in line. You know, they just want to be, oh, yeah, of course, we make an Oscar luncheon with whatever, you know, like all the mistreated women.

all the big all the big stream what happened with other big streamer people like you're saying is the big movie streamer people hollywood caught that on really quick and they go oh do you want to be invited to the next red carpet then you better say this movie's good or you better say this movie's bad yeah we're not going to give you any we're not going to give you the interviews and what happens is is like obviously that's what they want they want to be at the red carpets they want to be invited to the premieres they want to be able to do that and that's why but that's the other thing and you're noticing it which i'm looking at the rotten tomato score right now If you look at the Rotten Tomatoes score, it's a Citizen Vigilante. It's 10% reviewers, but 91% audience. And there's such a divide where people don't care what reviewer. As a matter of fact, people treat IGN reviews like Kramer. Whatever they do, it's probably the opposite. If IGN says something is bad, it's probably good. Because that's where they are now. Because everything comes with, they don't judge the product anymore. Like you said, they have to go through all the things. Oh, well, it's not that diverse, actually. or oh this is a white man's fantasy it's like no it's just you know like i know you said that you know death wish death if you make death wish now exactly how they made it they'd be like oh white supremacist fantasy huh white guy with a gun killing people who raped his wife like wait what you'd be getting yelled at on pierce morgan you'll be getting yelled at on pierce morgan

exactly yeah exactly you know but if you have a diverse person in the subway killing another like a white guy yeah it's like he should get the oscar you know like like that that's the thing where where it's totally absurd i said in various german podcasts i said if i would had like five neo-nazis raping a 14 years old syrian girl i would be winning the german film prize no no you

would have won an oscar no they would have translated the film here they would have been on sundance and then you would have you would have won every south by southwest you would have won all the awards because they would have been like finally he has you know what he didn't let his white privilege get in the way because it's not about the film anymore they don't care they don't care i look i try like again the only movies that i've liked this year have been citizen vigilante was great back rooms was great smaller films films where people are doing something different where they're not now i think they're catching on because i've been watching films that where they're saying retard again and they're saying oh no no words again because everyone's like we're kind of we're kind of done with this we're not we're not children no that was also i have to say

if netflix would buy citizen vigilante they would have like a hit on netflix that's a hundred percent right it would be like the most watched movie for a week or two and that they don't buy it like for not even an offer you know they could make a lowball offer i don't know but they didn't offer anything for the movie, that shows they're also kind of fear-driven. Of course. They always say, we do everything, blah, blah, blah. But then in the very end, it's like, no, we act like we are so around, we have product for everybody, but we don't want that. We don't want this, that our people watch it or that we buy it, you know? And that's kind of ridiculous because it kind of represents 50% of... the population yep you know it's it's that's the thing too i like in germany too i got so many people they've wrote me like i love that movie uh you finally showed what's going on here what is wrong and uh you know and celebrated it and then uh and that's the thing it's like we don't find our political opinions in the mass media so um that's for me ridiculous you know and then they want to criminalize like in england people go to jail if i would make that movie in england as an english director i would maybe get already arrested oh you probably would have i mean you're not a

lot i mean we play stories all the time on this show of people getting arrested for tweeting something or making a joke or especially in germany i mean that's like one of those places where yeah i know i'm gonna be very careful over there you have to be careful like it's you know there's like even over here we we talk about we struggle with our we we say we have free speech we don't really uh because especially you know under now with elon whether you like elon or don't like it doesn't matter at least we could say kind of what we want on twitter but before that you know our show this very show you're on right now we were kicked off of youtube for two years do we got kicked off for cyber bullying jeffrey epstein that's a real fact that's not a joke that i'm making up and i was he was already dead too and i'm like wait what but they just didn't like us anyway because at that time you know you it was like you said it was all left-wing shit on here and now that you know we got back on here and which is great but it's it's that's it's not only this it's that soft censorship that happens where they kick you off or you where you're blackballed from stuff where you can't be on anything like you said you could make the best film in the world but if three companies decide they don't like you it doesn't matter you know and that's and that's what it is right because everything's a conglomerate right right so they'll tell you no you're not allowed to to do that anymore and i think they're catching on a little bit they're trying a little bit but i think it's half-hearted i think it's half-hearted they're going oh see we're still cool look dave chapelle says makes fun of trans people yeah but he's a black guy so he's allowed like again everything is everything is turning into where white people are getting pretty pissed and yeah i think that they've been more patient than any other ethnic group would have been at this point you know and i and people are sick of it you know

do you look at the tom segura show like bad thoughts oh yeah i know i know tom yeah so i I mean, that's the most perverted shit I ever watched in my whole life. I really, hands down. And I watched him at Joe Rogan, where he said, I don't know why they let me do it. You know, like, but I know why they let him do it. Because it's overall not political. It's like, it's all like whatever. He can play black people, blackface. He can do all the shit, whatever. And people laughing. Because, as we said in the beginning with euphoria, whatever, it fits in their narrative. you know we're all diverse it's all great whatever right so but if you make something what what goes harder in a way and what is maybe like what is then not funny what is like more like that's the shit like what's happening and we're reflecting it then their humor is off and they're like free speech free art whatever that's then done you know and then they say oh no that's a no-go zone so and uh i was shocked like writing writing the script so i i when i'm doing the the work right now so i looked at that irina case the one who got stabbed right in the subway the ukrainian girl from the the black guy in america so if you google now like when you say so the guy goes, stabs her, and he would film it, whatever. Then comes a legal advice for a script writing program that the guy right now, you cannot say he's the murderer of her because he is presumed innocent till the thing is done. Like, he's not able to go in court, right? They say he's too traumatized, whatever, right? So there is no court case. But think about how perverted that is. I mean, we have it on fucking video. He killed her. I mean, where is here the debate? He's presumed innocent. Like, he could sue me if I do in Statista Vigilante 2, the thing he kills a girl, you know, because I wanted to basically do this scene in the part two to do the scene again. But he could sue me saying, yeah, but I presumed innocent, you know. That shows how crazy it is that you then have to say, like, I'm sorry. And that fits, too, on X. I watched the video today. I don't know if you've watched it, too. So there was a guy robbing another guy, and they had the security camera. And the other guy sprays pepper spray in his face. So he drops the knife, like, the eyes. So the guy takes the knife away.

and that guy got arrested and then filed right away a lawsuit against him for pepper spraying him and they're prosecuting now the owner of the store for process for pepper spraying the guy

i mean that's the world we're living in and this is the part this is the part that's crazy about all this you mentioned all this and then we've also been covering it's like and then they're putting flock cameras everywhere and telling you everything's supposed to be safer it's like it does it matter if you film everything if you don't do anything about it everything's on camera and everything's getting worse how is that possible right how is everything being filmed and everything being worse i don't know if everything's worse or not i just think that now everything's on camera and stuff they used to let get away with wasn't filmed and they threw put it under the rug they pay people off now you can't like you said you're filming somebody literally stabbing a woman on the bus and you have to go allegedly because you don't want to get sued you have to go alleged the alleged murderer i'm like come on are we really at that point you know yeah yeah but that's

that's why i feel uh this common sense is gone and that's why you cannot have real discussions about what's going on you know and uh i feel also i mean this credit we need all to give to elon musk i have to say he's the only of that super billionaires who gives a shit about the consequences what you know like he's saying a lot of things they hurt his business he did a lot of things they're not good for his business because he's convinced that's bullshit and he calls it out when you see Zuckerberg all these other guys they only do things or say things so that they gain more money you know they never do anything against their own interest and say uh no but like like I mean what Musk is doing in England also with Tommy Robinson and all these people right he's totally supports them and that's all against his financial interests i don't know how many people sold their tesla based on elon musk political no let me tell you what happens with

these tesla drivers are such fucking hypocrites because i went to napa valley so if you go to when you go to napa valley everyone's drinking there since 10 a.m obviously it's wine country right so all the people that live their own teslas because of the auto drive because that way they don't get duis this is true they once saw their teslas though but i saw three and i took photos of them on their Tesla. I bought this before and knew Elon was a jerk. I'm like, sell it then, asshole. Sell it. Go sell your Tesla. They still buy it because they know because if you want, if you you're going to be one of those drug Napa Valley liberals, you got to make sure you don't get a DUI. So again.

Also, what good is selling your Tesla going to do? Tesla already made their money. Yeah, they already made their money anyway. They're just reselling it to another private party anyway. So yeah,

and again, it's like, it's, Zuckerberg was already compromised under the covet thing we already saw he was basically working with the fucking government like he came out and now he's trying to be cool mma guy on joe rogan i'm like no fucker i know what you did you don't get to come out now and pretend but i think it's more than just money it is it's more than just money like at that point like you know at this point does zuckerberg need another billion would he fucking notice it probably not it's just integrated with power you know you're integrated with now you're not just a guy who runs a social media site now you're the guy that gets to decide the next election that's a weird level of power that you have now that you not many people can can can do that and i think that's the other part of it and also they want to grow their company right and when the government's telling you hey do what we say or we're going to make it really fucking difficult you know everything's commingled uh now and again yeah but but as i said i think

mask is doing a lot of things they're not like they he doesn't care about consequences and other guys look at bezos when he gives 60 million bucks for a stupid documentary about melania right i mean we all know you can shoot that documentary for three million bucks without a problem so you know but the 60 is basically a pay day for melania oh my god you know that's a really

good point because if you watch that documentary i looked at it and i'm like i've seen youtube documentaries that do it like for no money make better documentaries and i'm like so where does this money go it's a it's a payoff everything's a payoff everything it's just paying up why do you think netflix isn't obama basically owns netflix obama green lights most stuff over there and that's why all his self-aggrandizing jerk-off projects get on there you know talking oh about oh netflix is making a documentary about how pretty michelle obama is and totally not a dude i wonder who funded that and and it's you know and that's and that's you know what i mean like it's it's it's all that and that's why people don't people don't care and you know what's happening now is that there's such a demand for like these movies that they have to have these smaller films have to have wider releases and even it doesn't matter if you go to the theater now because most people are just going to stream it at their house anyway and they're going to watch it anyway so it's it's really difficult to control the flow of information I think is like it used to be that's the reason in Europe they want to limit

and and do the chat things like all this kind of observation of the people what is like we're talking here could be that they're in Europe already listened to this right so that's the thing it's like they try to censor everything and to have like in Germany we have a whole thing trusted flagger so trusted flagger are people they're working for the government and they going going around and trying to basically spy people out, right? And then they go to the state attorney and saying, oh, this bald guy, he's a total radical right wing, you know? And then people coming and whatever. They seize your computer to check your computer. Stuff like this. And that was also 10, 15 years ago not existing. And now all this stuff rolls in through that EU regulations. So that's very worrisome that it's really like we have this kind of left-wing fascism you know where they completely falling in line with this kind of we know what's good for the people so everybody else is is is basically discredited and should be in jail because they have a plan

bigger than this that's what it is and also by the way hey mi6 secret police if you're listening make sure to like and subscribe i mean if you're gonna listen at least give me a view thank you um but no but it's they they they they it's by design right like if you think about it like it's it's it's more than just control it's some sort of master surveillance plan that we've been they've been doing forever i mean look when all these laws and shit were written too a lot of these things that their workarounds was because they wrote them when there was no internet right so there's no internet so no one ever thought of a place where like when they were censoring stuff i remember where everyone was getting censored on twitter or youtube everything it's like oh you actually have free speech you're just not allowed to talk anywhere online about anything ever so it's really then more just you know well the argument that you know

twitter x whatever is the new town square and you have to let people participate in it so yeah

exactly and and you know it's for better or for worse i think it's better that people are talking and honestly it's great that this movie came out when you know someone like elon musk had twitter so more people can see it you know because it's again like i said that more than anything else when i saw that film i'm like man this guy's got some fucking balls because i was like i could this when you were making that you knew people were going to be pissed there's no way you didn't

know that people were going to be fucking angry it's also right now like one of the top movies

wasn't it like wasn't it like number one on one of the i have people that aren't even political being like hey did you shoot shoot shoot it's everywhere it's everywhere i mean again just the bunker scene alone was just like man that was fucking awesome i i really really really enjoyed that and the practical effects stuff i bravo i i really brutal as as always and it was it was it was fantastic and i i've we've already taken up an hour of your time i really appreciate this was incredible this was great man thank you so much this was incredible thank you thank you so

much i come back yes and uh i i come back to you being uh having a cameo and citizen vigilante too Oh, thank you so much.

Can I just, can I just, before you go, I just want to say, like, I was looking forward to this, but one thing I was not expecting, because I've seen a lot of contentious interviews lately where everybody's like, I didn't expect you to be like such a down-to-earth nice guy. Well, yeah, because we're not yelling at him with pink hair. Like, we're being nice. This was a pleasure. This was very, very nice. Yeah, man, you're cool.

Thank you. Thank you so much, man. This was great. I appreciate you taking as much time as you did because I know earlier on you were like I don't got that much time because everyone was talking about it but I'm really glad we waited and we got to talk longer

it's also now I told everybody look I cannot do six podcasts a day I do maximum one right so and that's the thing where no but then you're better off you know I'm more relaxed it's like I was in the very beginning so under tension and pressure and now you have to do this now and you have to do this and this and this and then i was sitting here and i mean to do an hour podcast it's fun but if you do six podcasts in a row that's not that's a job that's stress that's a job that's a full-time job into into hard work and then you get also kind of uh not you lose the energy and

then you start answering the same questions over and over again i i trust me man i i get it i'm really glad i'm really glad that you came on this was this was great and yeah if you need if you need a couple 40-year-old podcasters to make. We'll do it pro bono. We love it. We're all huge fans, man. Thank you so much. Thanks so much. I can just leave, right? Take it easy. See you later. Bye-bye. That was awesome. He was fucking can i say he was delightful yeah that was oh that's not what i was expecting no dude that

was awesome he's a fucking cool dude i love this guy