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How are we doing everybody? Welcome back to the channel. I'm Ron Swanson. We are here once again for The Daily Show with the one and only Paula M and we're joined today by Matthew Steeples. We're going to be delving into another fun chapter of the Royals, the shenanigans and all of that stuff. And Matthew, of course, the owner of the Steeples Times. Thank you so much for being here. It's been a long time since we've spoken. And how are you?

Well, thank you very much for inviting me onto your little program. It's great to be with you unexpectedly on a Tuesday afternoon as everybody else is on holiday. And, you know, the world has gone mad in Britain with our new prime minister arriving. And the old one, Keir Starmer, is out of here. And, no, it's strange times in Once Great Britain.

Yeah, Once Great Britain, I think, is sadly the term that we can all relate to.

Well, I've decided it's not, you know, Radio 4 said that it's Burnham hashtag begins. I think it's backwards, Burnham. We're going back to the 1970s. This is a retrograde move. We are really not going in the right direction with having this foolish man who doesn't want to wear a suit for his appointments and he wants to move 10 Downing Street to Manchester and he's appointed some pretty shady characters to work with him. I'm very disappointed in all of that. Particularly, I don't know how much you want to go into the politics.

I mean, Matthew, are you not excited about the 27 jobs he's going to generate by drilling into the North Sea and allowing practical companies to then tax dodge and pay enough

maybe drill as Trump said but it's not quite on the same scale and

I think Trump forgets that Maggie decided to just sell all the rights to our oil and gas for 2 billion pounds subsequently we fast forward to 2026 and these people have made over 400 billion from that deal nice one Maggie you know I have

differing views to you on about that

that's alright I love Margaret Thatcher It's Tuesday. It's not that big of a deal, right? It's not that big of a deal. So it's just a very interesting one because the oil companies argue that we'll make money from the taxes, but the BP and Shell last year paid zero taxes because they're slimy. They're slippery little slimingtons.

I see you've put up a picture of my publication. we are having a lot of trouble with hacking at the moment because I've upset quite a few people so my website doesn't work perfectly but the fact that we're featuring Nigel Farage and George Cottrell and a man called Mowbray Jackson is probably the reason that we are experiencing all sorts of troubles because people on that wing of politics are very annoyed with people like myself and there's some brilliant people on twitter such as a man called one finance guy who has been exposing all of the stories alongside the sunday times investigation team deserve to win an award for what they've done they're absolutely brilliant um the amount of delving that people are doing and then you know it's it's interesting to see how journalism has changed it's the investigative stuff is coming back in the mainstream as much as it is on with with people like paula and yourself um we were getting you know heidi heidi blake who did a great thing with the new yorker about the jeremy bamber case we've got these people who've done the story on the sunday times on farage um it's it's amazing where it's all going you know people like andrew lowney has been doing amazing stuff with um you Andrew and Sarah and all of that. He's just been doing a program that he sent me. I'm still not convinced, but he did a whole thing for an Australian channel about P. Diddy and Sarah. I'm still not completely convinced of them having had a Bill Clinton-type relation. Shenanigans. Words I'm allowed to use on your program. So Bill Clinton-type shenanigans. What do you mean?

What do you mean?

Monica certainly knew what he meant.

Did you see a pop-by in that island with Hillary Clinton? Nobody wanted to get a picture with Hillary Clinton, but they all wanted to get a picture with Bill Clinton. He's walking around with his mouth open. I mean, disgusting, man.

This is how, you know, one of the victims of Epstein, who I speak with, this is how... she was brought into it because she was introduced to Epstein in a hotel in South Africa and I believe she comes on your channel in fact Juliette Bryant and you know Bill Clinton was there with Epstein and of course Epstein got legitimacy because of the presence of Bill Clinton you know anybody in the world you know if you're introduced to a president or a prime minister you're not going to say oh no well it's just it's you feel safe in the company of that because you don't

expect them to be doing something bad let me let me before we jump into our topics let me just ask you one thing about you were just talking about the pivoting of journalism that you're witnessing right have you heard about the legislation that they're trying to push through in the uk for all social media platforms where they are going to have creators who distribute news be whitelisted and they're going to force platforms like youtube facebook instagram to showcase the mainstream media content and white creators how do you how do you feel about that do you feel

like it's a propaganda time bomb what do you feel we've got to look actually the other way around that's it we've got to look at what actually is done about the bbc um the bbc is an antiquated thing you know i i i sometimes get asked to do these kind of surveys because somebody only set up a polling organization and there was one this morning all about the bbc and um the main questions they were asking and clearly it had been commissioned by the bbc um is you know what whatever people would be paying their tv license and it's i think about about only about 80 percent of people pay their tv license and of course if you're watching um programs whatever you're watching you are meant to pay for a tv license whether you're watching on your computer or you know on your mobile phone and but this bbc has it's from the 1950s from the 1940s it doesn't belong in the modern world it doesn't reflect people's values it's full of scandal and nobody wants it nobody wants it don't watch it and as a result we we need to move to a different way of doing things and even the chiefs of the bbc are acknowledging this so when it comes to changing the law to make everybody behave like bbc no it should be the other way around everything should be changed so it becomes i would put it all into the commercial debate and have it have advertising wherever that's fine if you don't want the advertising you pay a membership fee do you know

matthew it's almost like for the last two decades that's exactly how things have been done for online media right you know you sign up to netflix for a fiver you got to watch some adverts you sign up for a tenner you don't have to watch any adverts so where netflix have got it wrong though

is I believe Netflix are now going to charge more so you can have a better screen quality. Yeah, they do that too. That is a stupid move that will annoy the consumer. That is not the correct thing to do at all. I agree. Everybody should be paying for the same quality. If you don't want the adverts, fine, don't pay for them, but quality should be consistent. That's where they're making a mistake because I don't think customers will like – It's rather like when the son and the mail put up these paywalls because the paywalls, they've been totally ineffective. And, you know, there are all sorts of devices to get around the paywalls. And obviously, if you know, most people don't know about them, but there are ways and means to get around a paywall for the mail. And, you know, the newspapers do catch up. Some of them are quite good at stopping you getting in. but but then with the mail you know i do lots with the mail and i support them hugely throughout this recent case and i think they've done brilliantly in beating you know say doreen and her dreadful collection um but when they put up an article often that article is behind what's called mail plus which means you have to get to go through the paywall right and then half an hour later it's not on the paywall and half an hour later it is and even even journalists i know who work at the paper say to me well we can't look at the articles i said but surely the paper gives you a pass you can have a look oh no no we have to pay for it ourselves and you know they make their own workers pay to go behind the paywall that's completely bonkers as well they should have a system for their own workers to access it for free surely

i agree well let's let's we'll scut along to our main topics and i just want to say to everyone

Thank you for being here, coming and joining us on Tuesday. Chin Chin with Matthew, of course. And if you can like and share, I would really appreciate it. Help our little show grow each day. It's a slightly different show today because we have the wonderful Matthew Steeples here. And we're going to dive into it. And Paula.

I'm sharing the intro.

I got you. I got you. Don't you worry.

This is the Anti-Slavery Collective, which is the charity which Eugenie has been forced forced to step down, given the scandal with her parents and especially Fergie. This was 18 months ago, especially now that we know that Eugenie and Beatrice were literally supporting their moms. They went to see Epstein when he got out of what he was officially out in 2003, which is insane these are like 18 months ago keep in mind that this is eugenie eugenie who now decided to say the following words this is for their mom this is the anti-slavery

collective charity that deals with trafficked women okay yeah hello and how lovely to see you i wanted to interview you mumsy because oh my god you are a huge inspiration to me and beatrice and jules my co-founder of the anti-slavery collective and um your mission from the very beginning um of time when before beatrice and i were born has been to impact other people's lives around the world and it's been such an inspiration to me growing up i thought what fun it would be if i interviewed you and shared your wisdom and impactful um incredible inspirational energy with

our community at the nstb collective and everyone no that's just a younger clone of the older one like like i know we think these are and where's our top lip i had to get that out where's our top lip gone like what what what's your reaction to this uh matthew well um obviously it's old

footage and obviously things have changed since then for both princess eugenie and her mother considerably more so for her mother but um the whole way this has been set up for this piece of video is quite bizarre having such a weird setting in a hotel bedroom um with a bed um you know it's not really an appropriate setting for such a thing i i don't know whether they're sat at a dining table or some kind of cabinet or what they're doing and why they're in this room with a um an african lady in the background with um some kind of thing on her head i can't really see the whole picture but some kind of head head scarf or something um it's a very strange setting and the fact that she's calling you know mumsy to sort of pick her up in this way whoever choreographed this really did not think again this just illustrates to me the house of york as it was called their pure stupidity when it comes to communication strategies yeah i mean they don't know how to read a room or even find a room and they find the red room and with the weird bed and Fergie puts a tint of red in her outfit to go with the red hair. A hint of red? She gets her daughter to dress up. No, the outfit Fergie's wearing has a hint of red. She's got it on her sleeve. Well, here's the thing.

It's a hint of red, but it's also a scorpion motif.

Well, it could be, yes.

Well, it's three scorpions that she's got stitched into the cup.

She has scorpions. I can't really see it

yeah yeah so it just it just since we're since we're focused on symbolism right now you know we'll just put that out there and the fact that you just said the word red room out loud clicked again more yeah i heard of those red rooms right matthew a red room is a term for a room where somebody is kidnapped and then horrible things are done over the internet for money for them

Well, I didn't know the term myself. I'm sitting here with the red wall behind me. I'm just going to sing. I haven't been kidnapped myself on this occasion. Oh, that's funny. That's funny. Yeah, Matthew's in the other room. Don't worry. I've been experiencing as a child an afternoon with a very strange lady, and it was a sort of thing like that. I have experienced such a thing, but it was a long, long time ago, and I couldn't not go there. Yeah.

I just wanted to ask you something. I just want to say something. This is the weirdest thing because they're talking about Eugenie. This is about 18 months ago. This is not long ago. This is.

not six or seven years ago this is 18 months ago when they were trying to bring sarah back into the royal fold with charles because charles invited her last year and he was seen kissing her hand very publicly they were really integrating this woman back into the fold because look how she's saying i admire you you've been fighting for what and this is 18 months ago this is after

this scandal had broken up yes well this is of course the same period she did her deals with Mills and Boone and she was starting to get her life back and I think the problem with Sarah Ferguson is that you give her an inch and she takes a mile and you know she thought that life was back on the up post-COVID you know she'd made her silly videos and made a fool of herself sitting in a conservatory making funny noises and wearing silly clothes and now she's trying to be serious again and she thinks being interviewed by her daughter here about slavery makes her some kind of you know crusader and warrior and you know she's always said she's a bit of a fighter and all the rest of it and you know this was her fight back but she didn't bank on the fact that there were going to be all these emails that she thought were long ago vanished and you know it's rather like with asim the deer who the polly peck man who you know thought he could come back to britain after he'd fled because he thought the ink on the paper would have faded um you know these things don't go away now and in the modern age this your past will come back to haunt you you know people on social media are very stupid because they put out pictures of things well you know they will come back to find you and this is why a lot of criminals get caught because they put pictures on on Facebook you know they put the picture on Instagram and with Sarah Ferguson this this interview well it doesn't do her any favors now but um she didn't realize what was the coming storm which shows that she's very badly advised her advisor you know james henderson who's now living in dubai and has had all sorts of falling outs with lots of other people she's still on his website even in spite of all this so i don't know what he's up to with whether he's still involved but he had bell pottinger and the whole scandal to do with africa again you know slavery was uh kind of involved and that sort of thing was there so she finds herself the rotten and the wrong and her daughter you know I used to give them a chance those girls and say you know it wasn't their fault that they had those parents but the problem now is they're trying to play both sides they want to live in the royal palaces but they want to be able to do their commercial activities but nobody in their right mind other than people in in Saudi Arabia, et cetera, seem to be willing to take them. So I do think that all of them will actually ultimately end up there. And I think that's the next stage in their life cycle.

You know, Matthew, you said something that really perked my ears is that you said that they didn't know that the storm was going to come because Fergie had lied through her whatever teeth she has. And her daughters knew that she was lying. They all knew that when Fergie gave a statement saying that she had distanced herself from Epstein and stuff like that. Everybody knew they were lying because Eugenie has come out along with Beatrice. They hooked up in 2015 and Ibiza and other places with Epstein. So they knew that they were lying. What they weren't counting on that was that the emails would be exposed. I think that this is the better framing. It's like a lot of people tell me, well, Prince Harry didn't understand. Oh, he understood. He just didn't care. They lied.

But what they didn't know was that these files would be released. They thought that these things would be protected, but they didn't realize that Donald Trump was quite prepared to throw out things about them because he couldn't give two hoots about them. You know, there are still 4,000 files sitting there that no one has seen. Now, of course, the conspiracy theorists will say those 4,000 files have everything in them. Now, some of those files, maybe there are things that have to be, you know, kept secret. You know, I do a walking tour of London and I stop at two places on the tour I'll be doing tomorrow. One is the former head of Granada Television, Lord Bernstein, and his butler was murdered there in 1970. and that's got a denotis or it's sealed it's sealed at the records office until 2071 and he's got a denotis like just explain just explain to the public what a denotis is because this is a Churchill law basically these files are sealed so that nobody can have access to them, the media don't report on them So you see these. information and this concerned a butler who was murdered by a bisexual waiter who then fled the country and then was brought back later and then another case involved the heir to the Bakelite fortune who murdered his mother in Cadogan Square in I think 1972 and he then was sent to Broadmoor and well-meaning people got him out and he went to America and then tried to murder his grandmother and ended up in Rikers Island. He killed himself because he realized he wasn't getting out the second time around. And that is sealed until, I think, 2047 or something. But they are cases where you wouldn't think there was anything that the public wanted to be hidden from. um you know we've got this with i've just seen your message here about that coming up and you know people the public want to know about that as well and you know it's amazing what they do seal concerning ordinary people so with things like um sarah ferguson and her emails she would never have anticipated that this could have come out she thought i'm protected because you know we're royals so we get even more protection of course andrew thought he could a lot of this could be covered up and peter mandelson also and a lot of the things concerning their cases are still not allowed to be released you know if you looked at when they had the humble address in parliament concerning mandelson you know the number of pages that were cut blacked out was astounding

you know so much of it was covered up and these are events that happened 20 years ago you know with with um andrew and sarah of course these things were 20 years ago as well and what went on we do not know but it's not it's it's not helpful that they went and made silly videos like this one because when it comes out it then starts to make them look even more nefarious and that has been the problem now i can tell you exclusively that sarah ferguson has been spotted um i had lunch with somebody who has a private jet so they are quite wealthy themselves they they have a holiday home in in portugal um and sarah ferguson has been there and the staff of resorts have seen her so their their pilot had given information about this so i have reliable sources who tell me she has been holidaying in portugal she has been out of austria she has i believe mostly been in austria but sarah ferguson is currently spending a bit of time in portugal so maybe eugenie is helping her out because of course eugenie owns um uh prophecy or owns they've been given i believe her husband jack brooks pack jack the barman as he used to be known when i knew him in the april codrington pub another destination on my chrome tour um he they they do own a place in a resort called costa terra which is 82 miles south of um lisbon and she's been there so and she has been spotted by um people at that resort but they're very protective there about photography so she is still keeping herself under the radar i believe she has three burner phones you know i have spoken with people who used to be very friendly with other charities that's so gangster sorry but that is so gangster isn't it yeah the burner phone oh yes everybody has a partner phone right for a bit last year no i i when i used to know somebody who um was involved with the eccleston family he had um lots of these burner phones and he was obsessed with them and I don't know whether they really worked. It was a bit like Ghislaine Maxwell when she was tucked away. She covered the phone in tinfoil thinking that would help her cover up. I think people don't realize that this whole dark web thing, you know, all those drug dealers were caught because of the stupid black phones and all the rest of it. How do they do that? Don't they? You know, I barely can handle one phone. Oh, God, you're wrong here. Here I am with my iPhone X. How posh. Mine is a Samsung. Well, mine, at the end of August, I have to get a new telephone because of this ridiculous situation.

In fact, the banking app will no longer work on it. You know that you mentioned the banking app. What they're making us do is to comply to this and this whole digital ID thing. okay the government have just scrapped the digital id it's going to save 1.8 billion oh hell yeah thank you for letting us don't know how they quite get to that number they did yes

the new that's going to pay for all the other things um it's going to pay we're going to you know we're getting 45 pounds off our electricity bills in this country um you know uh butcher burnham as the son called him the brutal cabinet bloodbath you know he's he's trying to show his force but as janet daly said in the telegraph this morning you know he's talking left but signs show he may govern right i think we we are getting a touch of the i'm i'm i've been in a homeless kitchen to start with um the uh you know my morning is becoming prime minister i was feeding the homeless i'm going to eliminate the homeless what a load of rubbish you failed in manchester in eliminating homelessness you cannot get rid of homelessness as much as you can't get rid of cockroaches, fruit flies and midges if you're up in Scotland. You can't eliminate homelessness. It's impossible. I just want to say,

Matthew Steeples saying, I'm going to have to get one of those burner phones because my banking app won't work, was one of the greatest things I've ever heard, Matthew.

I didn't say I had to get that. The burner phone is like

£20, Matthew. They're little pieces of plastic that Call and make a text.

I've got to get a new phone.

I've got to get a new phone, Matthew. Yes, a new phone for Matthew. Yes, 100%. It's a new phone.

I just wanted to ask you something. Wait, wait. Just before I forget, because I will forget. You said that Fergie was in Portugal, right? Yes. Well, Harry and Meghan claimed to have been there the whole time.

Well, they could have been there, but I think that they were more likely with Elton John. And that would be in the south of France or in Venice.

Yeah, but they claimed that they were in Portugal.

they were more likely in france with elton john because in venice it's a little easier to be spotted because it's you know smaller and no it's just at the newspapers i know where i know their home in venice because it's next to where i used to stay there um and shared a garden with these people who bought from there's no way they'd have enough privacy to be there so i would think that they could have been in the south of france with elton because his villa is quite substantial and he beat that well they could have been there but no i think more likely the south of france would have been the most likely option for them um given a lot of their friends were already down there you know beatrice's husband was already at the sank on sank recently with his morgan people um you know there there are wheels within wheels so goodness knows they did like being in sand fergie used to love san tropez um i know a lot of the places she used to go um she wasn't very popular there because she was very demanding but um um there we are but uh i do believe that sarah ferguson has been in portugal but i think her ultimate route is rather like her um beloved ex-husband whatever you want to call him they will end up somewhere in the middle east and um they will be treated probably in the way that they're accustomed in their view of being that their titles will be used as they expect, and they will not have to kowtow to the plebs who can't stand them.

Did you hear this speech? I want to play you this speech, Matthew, because this is so funny. Well, it was a little bit funny. I do like Patrick Christie. He's very, very interesting the way he did because... I'm not a great

fan of GB News, as you know.

No, no, no, I know, but this is a very good one. You'll like this one. Let me see.

Yeah, I'll wait.

Wait, I'm going to share here, Ron? I got you. Are you sharing?

I'm waiting for you to put it up.

I will say, I do think Peter Blacksley is brilliant. He's a wonderful friend of mine, and he's often on GB News, but You know, there's one called Ben Leo, and I know an awful lot about him, but he's blocked me years ago, and I've just witnessed him.

It'll be just like a few seconds, so it's really funny.

It started with Keir Starmer's final speech outside Downing Street, and he just couldn't resist. A few more fibs on the way out.

I'm confident that Britain is now stronger and fairer than it was two years ago.

okay all right i mean that's just not true the country's infinitely worse

security are on a far stronger footing

no it isn't it's knackered we've had to borrow a german warship and his defense secretary and armed forces minister resigned over his new defense plan our international reputation

is greatly enhanced Thank you.

No, it's not. The Americans hate him, the Israelis don't like him, China has played him for a fool, Macron mugged him off, and the G7 leaders all posed for a picture without him. Starmer then said this.

I go with good grace, I go with a smile, and I go proud of everything that we have achieved. Thank you very much.

well he might be smiling but the government has ruined people's lives and

i mean it's been a total um era of one disaster to the next with queer care who's out of here but um i am i've always said be careful what you wish for and backwards burnham is a real step backwards you know we've got this fabian socialist who is not going to do good things he wants to take us back with his re-industrialization his um you know his devolution well tony blair failed with devolution the mayor of london is the most useless man on the entire planet london ran far better without a mayor of london we he's this man's creating more civil servants not not not we we don't need them we don't need extra levels of bureaucracy in this country we've had enough bureaucracy and it doesn't work and now he's pointed Matthew McGregor the director of political strategy head of Downing Street this man is dangerous this is one of the most dangerous people you could have in politics he ran the hope not hate 2018 to 2021 he was part of the Barack Obama 2012 he is somebody who described Donald Trump as a maniac with fascist tendencies how is that going to play out with Burnham's relationship when the two of them have to meet now you might not like Trump but you've got to have somebody who can do business with these people and you know Burnham and his people as Priti Patel said need to um get serious this man um that McGregor has deleted his Twitter account as a Friday because he thinks he can hide his past. Well, as we've just said with Fergie, you can't hide your past. It's impossible now. This is a bad start. He's appointed Rachel Reaves, raving, sorry, Rachel, Angela Rayner. Angela Rayner, raving Rayner, the woman who didn't pay her counsel, the taxes on her apartment. this is rewarding people who cheat the system and get away with it now that's that's the new foundation of britain isn't it louise haig a convicted fraudster but they all said that they were better than the conservatives they were purer than pure this is all like when you know tony blair came to power defeating john major's rotten old government and everything things were going to get better well things are only getting worse it's going to get worse and worse we're going to have number 10 in in manchester that's more civil servants because how are you going to run a prime ministerial office without having all the necessary things that go with it without creating another layer of bureaucracy we do not need this devolved government it's terrible It's an absolutely shambolic move. I agree. Somebody sent me a picture of a lettuce with glasses on,

because obviously Liz Truss was Liz the lettuce, and the lettuce outlived her. But sadly, I think the picture's funny, but unfortunately he will outlive the lettuce because he has got a huge majority, and we are in a situation where the opposition is weak, and what comes next? it's just even worse than what we had before and it's just it's just awful it's absolutely awful and of course we've got barrage and his whole you know stupid show in clacton where he's caught costing the public 380 000 pounds with a biomection that's not never never was needed and even if he wins he wins against the bin and if he loses the bin beats him but then there will still be the same investigation and then there'll be another by-election so he's cost the taxpayer a fortune as well he doesn't care nobody seems to care about what really matters in this country and you know we're talking about with a reform party saying a hundred million pounds for security for mps well i walk along the streets of this area i'm living here in you know one of the smartest areas of britain you know there are plenty of areas of britain where crime is rampant of all sorts of forms there's crime here it's crime of people being robbed on the doorsteps and all sorts of things it's terrible throughout the land it doesn't matter whether you know rich area poor area, wherever you want.

this country needs to get serious and get on with things we don't need to have these pillock politicians peddling their nonsense and this is a joke oh he gave a speech without a lecture he's not he's going to wear a t-shirt this man is playing the zelensky game of politics this is not a comedy act it should be a serious business and it's graceful and this degenerate backwards burn needs booting into the bin

I agree, I agree and listen, before we segue us into our next point of discussion Paula, is there anything else you wanted to comment on backwards burn?

No, I mean, it's just that this is the thing with Zelensky, you know, this man was literally a clown in Russia in one of them shows and this is the guy now I mean I sent you a link Ron of Zelensky literally dancing with fake boobs and other men putting them on their butts he was in Russia he made his name in Russia he was literally a comedian a clown but really low class clown comedian

that's right he was in a movie right where he played the president of the Ukraine

it wasn't a movie it was a comedy show

he was a comedian yes he was a comedy actor and he's he but you know people take him seriously and um and he's been given enough of a free reign and he's made enough money out of all of this and the people of that country are not benefiting by his actions and nor is anyone else so but here we are with this this burnham who is a fabian socialist of the worst order and he's he's trying to take this country back to the 1970s it would not work you know he he he's going to tax the rich until the pips squeak as they they used to say and he's going to go after the people who were for over a hundred million well they're just going to leave they will leave and then they won't be they'll take the jobs with them so that's a pretty stupid thing to do for starters you know 45 pounds off your energy bill you know that doesn't even buy a round of drinks in a pub right you know because thanks to rachel reeves the uh you know the duty on the alcohol went up and up and up and um you know you can't even have a drink if you're um you know feeling down because you can't afford it people people as jeremy clarkson wrote in a thing recently you know people turn to drugs because it's cheaper than alcohol that's all that's the state of affairs in this country it's cheaper to get drugs than anything else um it's a it's just such a mess and we do need somebody rational and kemi badenoch is doing a good job of prime minister's questions but she's surrounded by drips they're absolute rubbish the conservative party you couldn't name half of them but this new cabinet of burnham you know that's not half of them i don't even recognize myself and i'm a bit of a political geek so i don't quite know where we're going but we are on what i call a ship of fools and it's time we got off before the the titanic of we're living on sinks and we go down with the rats and you know the leading rat is is of rainer and rainer should never have been allowed back nor should this louise haig a convicted criminal you know she's had she's had a conviction she should not be in high office disgraceful yep i just want to say it's taken the entire

interview for me to realize that's not another person sat behind you at a table that is just your reflection in a mirror okay so i just wanted to point that out so there's one thing though i

want to see two hands yeah bro because i was saying i'm sorry i'm trying to be in silence

because i'm sitting here and i'm like they are really patient people like you're just sitting in a restaurant doing a podcast no one's saying for you to be quiet i'm like they are really i i was like wait a minute that's a mirror okay so uh i want to i want to talk about the king okay because about what the king if that's all right oh yeah yeah sure old charlesington and we're going to just we're just going to steal some dan wooten content for a minute uh but i want to get your reaction to this uh from both the apollo and math before you do that i just

want to say something because you know i i shared on x uh the one of the emails because charles is named in 64 emails in the epstein files and i just i shared the one of him having dinner with epstein epstein is all giggly on september 6 2018 in the email that he had dinner with uh that michael wolf uh rose mcgowan and prince charles and then prince charles right uh how it was exciting well everybody came for me is like well it was the gq fine yeah there was a gq event but it doesn't look good that prince charles is hanging around a convicted pdf somebody of the caliber of epstein you would think that he have learned by peter paul with peter ball with uh with jimmy savile with andrew melling you and i have had very very things with andrew melling i don't know if matthew knows who that is uh andrew melling um you would think he would steer clear of that that scandal with uh with uh money bags you know uh so so i put it out people are like oh no the king no he wouldn't have known so what you know, Epstein wanted to hang around these people. Yeah, but why were these people hanging around Epstein? What was in it for them? Because people were saying that Epstein was using Charles. Yes, but why would Charles be hanging around this man?

It's beyond anything

that you can... But it's incredible how people are clapping back. They don't want... It's like they don't want to admit that Charles could be corrupt.

Yeah, I mean, at least look what his brother's been up to with the same people, I might add.

So yeah, let's watch through this. sparked huge criticism and concern about seeming to care more about the Islamic faith than Christianity, has just ratcheted up those concerns to a whole new level with his Easter statement, where he wrote, the love he showed when he walked the earth reflected the Jewish ethic of caring for the stranger and those in need, a deep human instinct echoed in Islam and other religious traditions and in the hearts of all who seek the good of others. As our very own Father Calvin Robinson posted on X, King Charles III even managed to make his Easter message about Islam. The man is a disgrace and needs to abdicate or be deposed. Podcaster Liam Tufts wrote, why is Charles praising Islam in his Easter message? Did he praise Christians during Eid? notice i referred to him as charles not king calvin mckenzie wrote was puzzled by king charles saying that caring for the stranger was a deep human instinct echoed in islam really i suspect the families of those 22 killed and 1 000 injured at the manchester arena all strangers to the islamist abidi brothers wouldn't share that view and the disciples of christ posted king charles III has released an Easter message which includes an inappropriate reference to Islam. This is outrageous. Charles is neglecting his role as defender of the faith.

My wife and I can only offer you all our kindest and most special wishes and stress just how greatly the contribution of Muslims to the life of the United Kingdom is appreciated and valued embodying the ramadan spirit of charity and selflessness as the quran says god does not burden any soul with more than it can bear we hope that you have a blessed

and fulfilling ramadan how can we as a christian country allow ramadan lights in our capital um last year it was in the holy easter season and how can we be applauding that religion when It sets its face against the Christian values and Christian and the Christian message of Jesus being the son of the living God who came selflessly and gave himself a ransom for everybody. How can we arrive in that position? We just can't. And so I'm deeply worried at which one of the two points it is where this can end up is King Charles loses the monarchy. and that's a really fearful situation that we are in but we cannot have the supreme governor of the church of england actually advocating in any shape or form islam and bringing that

into the eastern message uh so just i just want to say that cannot be a real beard that has to be sprayed on that beard uh both like paula and and matthew right we've seen this shift with the king and his obligation to the church of england be put aside also paula did we just bust fergie's chops for doing an interview in a hotel room with a bed behind them and now i'm realizing right but how do you feel about that because i mean obviously i'm not a huge monarch but i've learned the rules of the religious side of it all and how the king basically it's a big thing that the king is all about Christianity that's the sort of I've got four brain cells version of it all but Matthew what's your take

well firstly I will say that you know I obviously have my own personal dislike of Dan Waterman

me too I was going to say

technically we just has you know been saying he said the odd abusive thing about me recently on Twitter.

I do think that he is an agitator of the First Order who likes to stir the pot quite unnecessarily. Sure. I think there are plenty of others who are doing the same with regard to King Charles. And I have a lot of respect for King Charles, whereas I realize you don't quite have. I understand that. I understand that. But none of that was Dan Wooten's content. That was all... But Dan Wooten is somebody who is trying to make himself popular with his... Sure. Crony, his crony father, Calvin Robertson, who is somebody who uses religion rather conveniently and flip-flops from here to there to everywhere. In this modern era, the world has changed. Andrew Lowney talked about it the other day, how Britain has changed as a country, and we are changing. And I think King Charles has acknowledged the country's changed. i know i will not be popular for saying this but you know there are other faiths in this country and there are there is a majority in this country who are faithless and whether you like it or not we are a country now where you know the well there are people don't go to the pub because they can't afford to go to the pub but they certainly don't go to church other than if they want to keep keep warm they might go to some church hall with you know some oral pensioner But the majority of people don't participate in the religion. Religion is not as important. But I realized that to Christian people, the fact that the king has made these tones towards other religions is not appreciated. Now, again, it's all about the communications operative. And I realized people on the right, it has provoked them. but i think that um i think the king is being perfectly reasonable and rational in his conduct and i know most people watching this will not agree with oh no 100 i don't agree i mean

for me for me it's not even about the religion to me it's about an oath uh because you know certain jobs have certain requirements you are the king or you're the monarch of the united kingdom and the oath is right here the oath i'm sharing the oath the oath is um are you sharing the oath the oath is will you to the utmost of your power maintain the law of god the true profession of the gospel and the protestant reform religion established by law i mean and he swore a no i understand that oath mean nothing to charles he's not to me he's not a trustworthy man, his past, anything about him, it gives me the ics. He always has a way out. Oh, I didn't know about Peter Ball. Oh, I didn't know about Jimmy Salvo. Well, your letters that you had sealed and that you couldn't get sealed say otherwise. The perversions, how he shields responsibility, avoids responsibility or accountability. There's always an employee who takes the fall for his own decisions. To me, this is, yeah, I understand that there were not many people don't go to church. I understand that a lot of people are losing their faith, but this would be a good challenge for him to get people to go to church rather than say, well, you know, it's the Muslim, it's the Jews, especially given the political, how sensitive things are. We just saw

Henry. We have had a major change. A young man I know who is now the editor of the Catholic Herald christopher lamb he rightly pointed out in his leader column yesterday that of course andy burnham is the first real catholic to be prime minister of britain um yes boris johnson converted to being a catholic but um you know we've and so did tony blair courtesy of father michael seed who you know if we come to talk about ann widdicombe father michael seed is central to of that. He converted to Prince Michael as well. But we now have a situation where we do have a Prime Minister who is a Catholic and a practicing Catholic. So will he use his faith?

I don't care about them. I care about

the king. No, but this will change the situation of how the Parliament and everything else and the king they will have weekly meetings and will religion i don't know how religious burnham is but he is a catholic he has declared himself to be one will his faith um influence him you know tony blair was very much influenced by faith and um you know look where that led So we do have to consider the importance.

of having prime ministers as well as monarchs and their religions when they're in office because if you're going to have a leader who has a particular religion he is going to use that religion as and when he sees fit so it does actually matter hugely that we now have for the first time a Catholic as prime minister of Great Britain. Yep I agree

I just wanted to get both of your takes on that it's one of those subjects that we're never as a panel all going to

agree on it. No no no to me You know what? To me, it's not about religion. To me, it's a no. And to me, it's the fetus. To me, it's the fetus. Well, the most people are Muslims are running the show. So you might as well. No, if you are the defender of the faith, the head of state, this is like my Pope. I'm a Catholic. I can tell you, I go to church on Sundays. The church, the bloody church is empty. the pope went to spain and the pope was talking about immigration and praising muslims and and others and i'm like shut up and advocate for us millions of of catholics are being murdered in nigeria and all of why don't you say to have a prayer for us i find it very disturbing that henry nowak was murder five-step wounds because these sikhs are allowed to walk around with very sharp knives because of their religious beliefs or whatever and then they killed a man and the king the monarch didn't even say you know we feel for for Henry Noah he doesn't have to say anything about the Muslims or the Sikhs or anything but one message to acknowledge that the murder he would have quickly put out a statement to me is that because this is a very critical time I see that is very politically sensitive in the united kingdom how things are it's horrible people don't feel represented you see this the there there has to be somebody where you take a stance and say i understand i acknowledge that there are other faiths but this is the one i represent this is the one i gave an oath to uphold that's what this country is it's this country right and again i don't know what the prime ministers do they didn't take the oath charles did we're not going

to split any more hairs on it but that is like i say i just wanted to get uh takes because that's it was the oath fact that i wanted to and yeah i kind of agree with paulo on that but again i just wanted to get your take on that and uh like i say i'm happy to all be friends and see have different

i think i think you know king charles is meant to be the defender of the christian faith but i think we have moved into an era where i'm sorry most people in this country are not interested in religion and it is not something that it guides what they think needs to go on as well their big problem in this country right now is the fact that they can't afford to live that's also true but again it's interesting how what the priority of people in this country who i talk to is the situation of their living arrangements they are they are more interested in that and i realize that people on channels such as you know this and lovers they like to talk about this but for the day-to-day ordinary person yeah i mean the fact that these corrupt politicians are running the country into the crowd many of them they view the monarchy to be a sideline show and um I realize we like to talk about the monarchy but they want to talk about their heating bill, they want to talk about other things that really affect them the fact that their transport cost has gone up a huge amount

it's it's about I'm going to do something very humorous with this I'm going to tell a joke I'm just going to tell you a joke really quickly this is like if you are the CEO of McDonald's you are aware that there's burger king wendy's and whatever so can you imagine if you have to ask the ceo of mcdonald's you go well we love our burgers and we just we we have to do the same as burger king with their fries and i mean it's it's a silly thing you know but it's it's just it's just representation for

me and i don't think you know i agree i agree i agree and it's interesting that you mentioned the normal people matthew and they're concerned about cost of living and things like this and it's so fascinating that all of that is impacted by the same ideology that we've just discussed with the king and how everything seems to be coming together with a mass importation of a certain ideology and sadly the ideology doesn't line up with civil society and that's what we're staring down the barrel of and look we're going to get off to king charles now and the whole

shenanigans go with a whole civil society is uh disintegrated when it comes to the murder of anne widdicombe oh yes

actually murdered by somebody um i saw from your comment that somebody said something about she had been attacked 21 times yeah 21 times because obviously when i came on your program the the court hearing was delayed from this morning um because you know there has to be process i've been in westminster magistrates myself when somebody was sent to prison who threaten to kill me and others um so i know how westminster magistrates court works and it's there's nothing um sinister about the fact they delayed until the afternoon but um but it but it's it's up this morning they did talk of serious injuries that were visible and there we go she was hit 21 times with a hammer um you know her cause of death is yet to be established obviously she was killed by the results of whatever he did with the hammer but did she was she killed whilst this person was there or did she slowly bleed to death given you know she was found i believe at um i think it was um 11 40 a.m on the um the 9th of july which was the thursday and she She was last heard from at 12.20, I think it was, on Wednesday, the 8th of July. So it was a 24-hour period in which she could have slowly suffered. And, you know, that awful person who has the transgender person called Heather Herbert, who has, of course, been charged also from Aberdeen University, who said it was good news and wished her a painful death. She was handcuffed to the back as she screamed in agony. that's where we come back to the problem of the civil society in Great Britain this is a university academic this is somebody who's supposedly intelligent it's a lefty Matthew you can't I have plenty of friends who are academics and some of them are left wing and some of them are right wing I can tell you not all academics are left wing I grew up with my mother is an academic my mother is pretty left wing but we had plenty of academics I know who were not left-wing tool you know my university london school of economics we had a lot of um quite right-wing lecturers as well you know um i knew a man called uh alan skepp he became the man who founded ukip he was uh an academic so it's not about left and right with academics it's it's about having some intelligence here with this moronic being heifer herberts who was clearly in a bit of a, as they say, a bit of a Herbert, it means a stupid class in some kind of colloquial slang somewhere or other, you know, it said, wished she was handcuffed to a bed as she screamed in agony. And she said, I'm done with being nice to pieces of human garbage

like her. Now, okay, the university can't comment because there is an ongoing... Why are they having a trial? Why are they having a trial? The real problem with this thing, this person, whether it's man or woman, you know, transgender, he hates women, is what people said to me. It's his a real problem. That's the reaction I got to this person. But it is disgusting that we've had that and we've had all these people. And it got worse on the BBC, the Politics Live show. They had a lady on who references herself as queer. She's queer of mind. That's the word queer I would use to describe her. This queer person called Daze Agargi, who was on Politics Live the day after this had happened, is a hard-left, extinction-rebellion person. And she said, a lot of people won't be grieving Anne Widdicombe's death. There was a lot of controversy around how she lived her political life. And she added, as someone who is queer, my rights have been affected by her speeches. She describes herself as a folklorist. Well, yeah, she is in the land of folklore. Herbalist, I think she's had too many. And a forager, well, she probably had too many magic mushrooms. She was the youngest candidate for the 2019 European elections for the Climate and Ecological Independence Party. She was in the 2024 Big Brother and was second out of the 16 to be eliminated unsurprisingly. And a BBC show puts her on as a guest the day after the murder of a respectable 78-year-old politician. Whether you liked Anne Whittakam or not, and agreed with her, I met Anne Whittakam many, many times.

I didn't agree with Anne Whittakin on many of her views, because Anne Whittakin was anti-fox hunting, and I'm not anti-fox hunting, and I know that'll upset many people listening. She was, you know, pro-the-death penalty, she was pro-nuclear, she was anti-drugs, she boycotted British Airways over Christian crosses, crosses. She was pro-selective education, anti-assisted dying, anti-LGBT, anti-same-sex marriage, pro-gay conversion, climate change skeptic. You know, you can go on with the list of things. Anne Robbins, Anne Whittacombe, not Anne Robbins, Anne Robbins is quite lovely. Lovely, lovely, great lady. And, you know, the weakest link, a wonderful thing. But Anne Whittacombe, in her own way, added color to the world. And Anne Whittacombe was somebody who stood by her beliefs and coming back to catholicism um you know she said of her religion you know she converted to roman catholicism because she said the roman catholic church doesn't care if something's popular and this is why i respect people like paula because paula speaks out if something isn't popular she doesn't care paula speaks out and says I believe this because I believe it. And Ann Whittaker was like this. But that did not mean somebody should go around and kill her.

That's because I'm older than you guys.

No, but I have very strong views. I get called far left by someone and I get called far right by others. I put a post on Twitter yesterday about a friend of mine dying and I get attacked by a complete lunatic because she was pro bono. So she's trying to have a go at me over the death of somebody. This is how ludicrous people are on the internet. And this is why people do get encouraged into becoming obsessive and lunatics. And if this is the case, that this man, this 28-year-old called Josh Kerry, if he is, you know, the person that did this, you know, he clearly had a lot of problems. And he clearly had issues. And, you know, what drove him to do this? And what would make anyone want to do such a terrible thing?

Has there been any motive, Matthew? Have they given any motive or anything at all?

They have said that, you know, he is a bit of a crank. They've said that he had communist literature. You know, he used to take his neighbor, Courtney Foster, said he used to take his dad out shopping while he was still alive. but since then he never went out much so but people who tend to sit at home in their bedrooms and look at things and not interact with others you know it does send you stir crazy and you can find that you might develop strange views and he clearly has issued without a doubt this person but that doesn't mean he's guilty of anything and he he deserves fair process and when we talked earlier of jill dando before we came on this program you know there was a loan loan nutcase as they referenced him barry george and it turned out barry george did not do this but barry george of course currently is on um charges for other offenses and he was convicted of offenses i know you can't use the words on here but you know he is a convict he was a convicted person but there was no way he could have done this now i'm very interested to learn that you know ann widderton was killed with a hammer because being killed with a hammer it's very different to the way ann widderton was killed so jill dando was killed with a single shot to the head with the gun administered directly at her head it was an illegally modified gun um that was that was a gun of a hitman that was a professional hit this is not 20 times it's chaotic

it's hate crazy no but it's like you know like i hate you're angry that is the same way the man

i mentioned the bakelite pair you know killed his mother it was and he his grandmother it was a frenzied attack with eight stabbings which remarkably she survived the grandmother okay That is the similar sort of situation. I would compare it more to Anthony Bakerland killing his mother, the Bakelite person in Cadogan Square, than I would to Jill Dando on her doorstep. I think this has hints more of craziness than planned assassination.

Okay, okay, okay.

And they have the police officer rightly did say, let me find it.

um he said we are not looking for anyone else in connection with this incident um they have said they are determining the motivation they they have not ruled out the you know what it could be what the motivation could be but this um assistant commissioner lawrence taylor has been quite clear to say they're not looking for anyone else which would suggest that this man, and does he look like he's part of a major terrorist cell with his box of sweets, but that doesn't mean anything because, you know, I once met somebody who was involved in Al-Qaeda and he was appointed by Jackie Smith, the Home Secretary, to lead advice to the government on terrorism and then he tried to flee the country and I had never met someone so charming in my entire day and I had lunch with a member of al-Qaeda I'm sure my phones were bumped as a result um he'd written an article for the mail saying Muslims and Jews should get along and the person I worked for said get this guy around and this was in the days when the Daily Mail printed people's email addresses so we emailed and we had a call within 10 seconds because he realized the person I was working for was a rich man who happened to own a publishing house amongst other things and we had a lunch with him in a restaurant on Kings Road and there we were having lunch with a man who was a member of al-qaeda he was a recruiter yeah i saw how charming he was this man here with the hammer yeah joshua carey he he looks you know harmless he doesn't look the sort that would be that he is probably somebody who's got some kind of mental health issues um and look if if you hit somebody with a hammer 21 times that is crazy that's crazy but we don't know what's happened here and we we can't really speculate on that but look you know the the uncle of him did speak with the bbc at the weekend and they only referenced him as ec at the time even though everybody else was calling him joshua carey so we don't know the uncle's name but um and weirdly his father doesn't have the same surname as him his late father who died of cancer um paul yates i don't understand why he doesn't share his father's surname i find that a little odd um but he his uncle said my legs went like jelly he's the last person i think would do anything like that he's quite an unassuming boy who was gentle and polite and everything that a shy young boy would be and And he said, things don't add up. To drive all that way and back in one day takes some doing. I would drive past his house nearly every day, and 99 times out of 100, the car would be there. And obviously, I have talked elsewhere about this car and the fact that the spokes on the wheels were not, they weren't in, they were in the same place. And, you know, this whole thing with those pictures,

it's all very odd the way it's leaked out. But let's think about fair process. I don't know. So what do you think about it?

I want to jump in. When we look at, and of course, Matthew has given you the reasonable answer. I'm slapping the tinfoil hat straight on here, Matthew. I just want you to know that. It's a double-layered tinfoil hat today. I'm just letting you know. Because Anne Whitacombe was the current spokesperson for Reform UK on immigration into the UK. Hours before she was unalived, she had done an interview with Talk TV where she said she no longer recognized the establishment of the British government as she used to, and she had lost faith in how it was operating. That is how an 80-year-old woman with intelligence says, our government no longer has our best interests at heart, and she can no longer stand by them. Hours later, gonzo. Now, when we look at what we've just talked about with the king, and we look at what we just talked about with it all seems to be coming back to one big topic right and for me immigration is the one and when you see a hammer is a frenzied attack a hammer is sending a message and when you when you see a loss of control because of how many hits i see perfectly in control and sending a very clear message of we're willing to do that to an 80 year old woman everybody else in politics better pay attention because as far as i'm concerned massive tinfoil hat to me this was an orchestrated message being sent to people like farage and peter lowe at rupert lowe story and and and that's in my humble opinion and i'm gonna just say something too yeah paula do you're coming now that i i do find that also uh all these

individuals and the environment today is that of

intolerance. There's no, no longer the act of the art of debate. Like Matthew and I can disagree on something we can talk about and give our points ahead. But people nowadays have been felt to take extreme views. If you don't agree with me in a hundred, if you just disagree with me in a with 20, then I'm going to unfollow you. I hate you. I don't want to see you. And that is motive for justified violence because people are no longer conditioned to have critical thinking to debate and and i believe that people take advantage of that to for to foster hatred you know to maintain stable individuals that doesn't bode well when you're promoting extreme hatred to be either you're with me 100 or you're completely against me and i believe that there goes again the intolerance there's too much tolerance to certain people and too much intolerance in other areas and this is where people need um this is why I love the monarchy because usually with the monarchy you have um um continuance you know like you know they have these costumes you know they have these traditions that I love I love the monarchy I love the queen i mean i love you know i love the pageantry i i love it you know and people look up to that there's something that's different than government you know so but it's that continuance of traditions but fear i find that for example i see some people at times in the comments oh you disagree with me with this one thing well the hatred yeah i agree that too yeah that doesn't help for mentally unstable individuals like like that guy you know clearly if somebody is gonna hit you 20 times or 21 23 times with a hammer there's a lot of hatred and instability mentally on that person you know and maybe over nothing maybe over nothing maybe because she disagreed with one thing you know i have to get going because i have to go to the doctor but matthew i'll talk to you later my channel for something really kinky bye bye thank you i'm sorry i'm sorry did you just say

come back to my channel for something really kinky because that's what i heard there okay i just want to make sure i just want to make sure all right no problem okay uh okay so matthew let's let me just let's just let's just wrap up on this point right because uh we talk about the the new britain that's got to be um what's the word i'm looking for uh when everybody accepts every time be kind that's what they want accepting we've all got to be accepting and it makes me scratch my head because the ideology that's getting imported here is so accepting that if you deny their ideology they'll behead you in the street so the two

intolerances the intolerances are ridiculous you know and i've i've experienced this you know in the last 24 hours myself simply putting up something um about somebody i knew who tragically died and is behind age 52 years old a child and then some woman who i don't know from blackburn who supports burn decided to make something of it and write a rant about it because she thinks people like me and this person are no doubt um you know living a different life to her and feels that she can write abuse about somebody like that that is that is a small-scale example but this is how these people behave this is where it comes from this hatred that they they are they think behind behind their keyboard they can do what they want and once they get behind this keyboard and get carried away they then get out of control look at what happened with a woman called brenda layland this is you know nearly 15 years 10 15 years ago brenda layland was a woman who um basically lived in a thatched cottage in warwickshire and she was somebody who had a child and i don't know what happened to her husband maybe died or maybe they split up she was into gardening um she was part of the local village but um her son didn't know what she got up to at night because he'd got his own life and he moved away um well brenda leyland was sitting there on her computer trolling the people being a nuisance and martin brunt my friend from sky news did an investigation into this trolling you know this is before you know this twitter really did take off and all the other things since this is you know 10 15 years ago and it turned out she was like number one on this list wow so he made contact with her he made an appointment to go and see her and he got there and um

and he had his camera crew, and, well, the result was she then changed her mind, realising what had happened, and four days later she subsequently went to a hotel and she killed herself, and that was the end of that. And that was very, very sad, and it was an investigation, and it proved there was no responsibility of the part of Sky News and Martin Brunt. But what her own son then did in an interview was to say, you know, I did not know what my mother was doing. I am astounded what she was doing. And, you know, this was a woman who was part of the local community and, you know, she wouldn't say boo to a goose normally. So you've got that level of trolling. trolling and then you've got these people who are totally ratified and are prepared to go one step further and they get so incited by others and encouraged by others um on these platforms that they're prepared to go and kill somebody or you know right rape somebody sorry

you're more allowed to use that word here sorry one one or two times by accident it's absolutely

fine but um you know you've got people who who encourage young people to become involved in criminality it's it's so dangerous that these platforms and that is where this is coming from you know ann widdekombe was a traditionalist and she was an older lady who wasn't interested in that world you know she'd never been married she didn't she supposed she didn't really drink she didn't smoke she didn't do drugs she didn't do you know she lived a very traditional life and her traditional values did appeal to a lot of people older people in this country and that is

why she became popular on television well i was going to say matthew all of that traditional stuff

she was hilarious yes and she was amusing to many people you know um she she was funny on this strictly come dancing to people because she made a fool of herself she wasn't very good at it but that's what people want to see she owned it it was like she made and then she wrote novels and she she did other things and she was into looking after the goats and the donkeys and the cats and um you know it was a different thing but maybe her flaw was that she went on this antiques program with the man from Yorkshire. I forget his name. I don't mind that the program is kind of harmless. So she allowed them into her homes so they could take things to auction. And, of course, the home was featured. You know, if you're some crank, this kind of activity, sadly, means that anyone can find this via these Google Maps. Everything is so easy to find. The other day, there was reference made to Nigel Farage and how he had been given a home for pound zero that had been bought by George Cottrell from the Candy Brothers, who are huge property developers. It didn't say what the address was in Chelsea, but I didn't know what the address of that house was in Chelsea. It had been for sale for eight and a half million. It's in Chelsea. you know i'm i have half a brain i found i found everything of that house including the floor plan within wow within seconds now most people wouldn't be able to do that because they wouldn't be able to work out the things i've worked out but um but many people could and if i can do it and they and and you know the sort of the general public can these extremists can do a hell of a lot more and that is why um it's so dangerous that we've got so much information out there in some of these situations you know she bought that house only a few years ago the the brochure thing of the house when it was sold probably still somewhere in some internet archive you can get the floor plan of her house you can get everything you know then they could work out you know the way in the best way to burgle it if they were going to burgle it if That's going to be what happened, which it clearly doesn't seem to have been. But, you know, it's all of those kind of details. It takes some planning to go all the way from Rotherham, which is at least a five-hour journey, and to get home by the same evening. This man, if what they say is true and you don't believe, you know, you believe something perhaps different, but if he did do this, this is a lot of planning.

oh it's getting the car back and parking it in the exact same spot yes well i do agree with you

about the car and i very much brought it up and you know i put the two pictures side by side and

it has raised doubts with many a person and of course lots of people i know including mainstream journalists who i've been speaking to you know why did the sun publish this stuff who gave it to them what named sources as to why this is out there okay the bbc quotes this neighbor but this ring doorbell or whatever it may have been why is it pointing into this man's garden not into their own garden why is it why were they monitoring him from another garden it's very strange the angle at which it's all very strange and i am not a conspiracy person as you know and i am very but i am very much somebody who thinks a fact is not a fact until you've checked it's a fact and in this instance there is something not quite right about this imagery of this sort of fat man who everybody has said is the nice man who took in their parcels but they have that you know they did they did have the throwaway line he had a bit of communist literature in his house um uh you know well andy burnham's more of a communist than anyone else in this damn country but um that is something that i really do think is odd and i do think that the police have again not handled it correctly in the way that they initially said you know she died and then it was murder and then it was terrorism and then well you know now they're not looking for anybody else so it is um a curious state of affairs as to the process as to how we've been led to this point in the story so um you know i just hope there is justice for ann widdicombe because this lady whatever you thought of her did not need to die in this fashion and the pile on the internet from the likes of the woman on uh politics live on the bbc and the transgender person is disgraceful disgusting and rotten and wrong and look politicians whoever they may be do not deserve to be attacked in any shape or form of course we had um sir martin amos who was a very good friend of ann widdicombs and also very religious now does religion come into this this this we do not know yet but it could be about her religion and you You know, it could be, you know, she was very anti-abortion. And, of course, people who are very much, you know, in America, they incite so much more than here. But it could be to do with religion, or it could be to do with, as you say, immigration. It could be a lot of things. It could be to do with many other things. This man might be fixated on something else that he thought that she'd done wrong. A hundred percent. in he he i don't know what this man's interest it sounds like he didn't have much in the way of interests um it sounds like he was a very lonely strange young person but that doesn't mean that

why that doesn't explain why he went out and did this no it definitely doesn't uh it really doesn't have to really think what what is the motivation here of this young man and what made him become like this if it was indeed him because you know they already arrested somebody else and then released them so that person was you know wrongly arrested and that was a mistake on their part and they've admitted that but of course there are over 800 lines of inquiry um you know with Jill Dando's case I think in the first six months the operation had um 1,000 people questioned and two a half thousand lines of inquiry of course in that case you had barry george stallone nutter but you also had the angle of the fact that she'd done an appeal for the cost of our refugees and um obviously the serbian um television station had been bombed three days before her her murder and was this a revenge killing um and as a result You know, there were calls to the BBC saying, you know, we take responsibility type thing. Was it mistaken identity in that case because there was a lady who lived in the neighbourhood who was Geoffrey Archer's secretary and was named in both the Barry George appeal and also in Geoffrey Archer's court case because Angela Pepiat had, you know, been involved in his court case, Archer's case, and was the real intended victim her, which that was a bit far-fetched and crazy. But in the case of Jill Dando, you know, she was a Crime Watch presenter, and she nailed a lot of people. You know, Crime Watch in its, I think, 30-odd years in existence got I think it was 53 rapists and it got 35 murderers jailed. And there were a number of Mr. Big hits, you know, underworld bosses who were jailed. I think the likelihood is it was probably one of them, but they never managed to prove it. But if you are somebody who could hire a hitman, it's not that hard to hire a hitman from what I have learned about that world. You can hire a hitman quite cheaply, you know, but if you want a proper decent one, that's going to make the problem vanish, then you have to pay a lot more and you have to be a bit more sophisticated. If you are some Mr. Big, then it can be done that way. If you look at what happened in the 1970s and 60s in England with these gangland people, people vanished under motorway bridges and they were never found or whatever. So, this hitman would have been a very efficient

hitman because clearly he never got caught so um there we are so i i do think with this it is slightly different to the jill dando case no because this is not the same level of

you know planned killing it's not the end the only thing is the is the punch line so to say right we have one bullet to the head and we have one unaliving with multiple hammer strikes other than that the planning involved and the mystery behind motivation they kind of balance

out it depends whether this man decides to speak because he may he may play the mental health card or he may have mental health issues he he may decide he wants to sing like a canary but he may actually decide just to be utterly silent and then nobody will know anything um it's whether they assess him to be well they've clearly assessed him worthy of being charged which would suggest that they think his mental state is he has the mental capacity to face a charge so that is actually very important in this because you know for example with the case of the acid bath murderer who was a man who operated in this area of london where i am and uh he he dissolved he thought he'd get away with it because he dissolved people in acid and he thought if there was no body then there would be no case that was where he was very mistaken but he he tried to claim the mental health act but then he said if i go to broadmore how long will i be kept there and they went ha

ha we've caught you out on your trick so he's wearing the forbidden tash as well he's wearing

the tash matthew all right he was uh he does he he wasn't a great look at what he certainly had the look of a certain someone. He definitely has the look of a certain someone. But I'm sure he can't say his name too much on here.

And just the dates in which this guy was, all kind of adds up Matthew, all kind of adds up.

Well he spent most of his trial doing crosswords because he didn't feel he had to join in. But he did, when he was sent to his death he uh they offered him uh what he wanted and he said i'll have a i'll have a brandy or whiskey or whatever it was and he said make it a triple because it will be my last but um but um look you know that people can play the mental health card but some people do have mental health issues and it sounds like this man clearly has some issues with the way his behavior pattern has been reported on but do we know that to be true we have to wait and see i agree i agree and

it'll all play out in due time whether or not we'll ever know the truth about any of these high profile unalive in this country remains to be seen but I tell you what Matthew I hope we wake up one day and we can sit down and go ah this feels like Britain again because regardless of whatever reason immigration political division economic divide whatever it is an absolute catastrophe

what is going on. We need some rationality and some reason in this country and we need somebody sensible to somehow get some order and stability back to this land because we seem to be living on a ship of fools and our politicians are just so appalling and disappointing. But we get the politicians we deserve because we don't bother to vote enough in this country and equally we i think we should pay politicians more and get better quality politicians have fewer politicians but pay them more attract a better level of person to this job because we don't get good governance from this lot and look we're a laughingstock internationally we've had we're on to you know this is in 10 years This is is the seventh or eighth prime minister that nobody voted for a state of affairs where the majority of them haven't been voted for but yeah but we don't we don't shout this from the rooftops and we we're accepting of this nonsense this man is coming into this country and he's going to tax us until we are completely wrecked businesses are ruined there's so many businesses i know that closed down and you see the cost of running a business is impossible the cost of living is impossible and he's giving £45 off your electricity bill and thinks we should be thankful

Unless you want to open a vape shop Matthew apparently vape shops are killing it bro, you can have nine of them on a street with six barbers and everyone's making business, it's fascinating

Well of course Thank you

What we like to do before we end the show, Matthew, is we talk about a couple of weird things and then we end on something happy, right? Okay, right. I'm going to show you the scenes from Edinburgh yesterday. It looks like the apocalypse, Matthew. We had a huge fire up on a hill in my city called Arthur's Seat.

Oh, Arthur's Seat, which I have climbed myself several times. Lovely place.

Well, it is...

Great views from the top of there across the water and everything else.

great great if you want to make some s'mores right now Matthew or toast some marshmallows because it is awfully burny and

I'm sure it's that's a terrible terrible mess but

I'll be honest with you it's all gorse bush okay and to be honest it could it was overdue Matthew this was

overdue of course this is what they do with grouse mores they burn the heather so and then it rejuvenates rejuvenates and it's actually not a bad it's a natural process oh yeah in the south of france you get a lot of woodland fires as well this is not this is not something that's the end of the

end of the world it does rejuvenate but you're not going to kill the gorse bush with fire it just it

just comes back more more and actually no it'll make it more fun yes so yeah you know the gorse

bush will be saying thank you very much right i mean don't get me wrong it's horrific scene it's scary all of that but as somebody who's been on arthur's seat trust me i quite like to be able to walk in a line between two things and not have to walk 5 000 miles around treachery because these aren't nice bushes this isn't like oh look at the pretty nature these are these are you could use these to defend yourself from animals like put a little circle of them around you they're thorny they're nasty and as far as i'm concerned it's humans one gorse bushes nil on this well i don't

i've i don't think it's the end of the world though so i totally agree with you unless of

course we find out any tragedies took place and then which case this is horrendous and we take everything back that we've just said but i'm pretty sure everybody was fine uh but wild scenes matthew wild scenes now the next one is kind of wild i've never seen a sky like this and there's apparently moscow and i'm just going to i'm just using bennie's video here as an easy access to this this imagery look at the black clouds right that are coming over russia right of course we're going to get an advert no no look at this like this is all smoke from oil um facilities in russia being bombed by the ukraine this is the most ominous black cloud i think i have ever seen in

my life well we you wouldn't want to be anywhere near it because of it right

look at this look at this bro what the that is that is some upside down world madness right there

i've never seen anything like that well we need to come to some sensible conclusion in that place but i don't know how that will come about i mean i think the solution is don't f around and then

you won't find out russia i think that's probably i think that's probably the solution do you know what i mean don't just roll a bunch of tanks in and be like do you want to fight i think that's

it's very strange in london you know i was doing my little walking tour and we went past you know margaret thatcher's former home in chester square and i ran into a friend of mine who lives in chester square and we were standing outside another house and five or six houses in a row And they all belong to Mr. Abramovich, of course, who owned Chelsea. And they're all boarded up and closed up. And, you know, all this Russian money has gone from the West. And, you know, places like Saint-Tropez, they used to be there with their yachts, spending a fortune, and they're no longer there. The whole situation has really changed with these people. And, you know, but that's one side of what's gone on for these people. There's, of course, the poor people living in these places. Of course.

are suffering in both Ukraine and Russia, and this needs to end for them. 100%. On both sides. I agree. I think it's about time something was done about instead of all this pontificating and inviting this ridiculous little man here in his t-shirt. But of course, now we're going to have Mr. Burnham and his t-shirts. They'll get on like a house of fire, literally, like, maybe they should climb off his seat together, and maybe that'll make them feel at home.

I've picked the best possible bits of content to use on the show with you today, Matthew. I apologise. But, you know... No, no, go ahead. So, what else is interesting is, do you remember... Was it Wagner? The mercenary from Russia, Wagner? Do you want to know what's going on with him? His son, right? So, obviously, Wagner died in a helicopter after threatening Putin. Nothing suspicious there, Matthew.

We've also had the recent death in Monaco of the Ukrainian guy, the whole attempt on his life and the car bomb thing.

Matthew, this gets wild. So they took him out but left his son alive, who was second in command of the entire mercenary army. So his son has just went to africa assembled a massive new army and is like coming for you putin and no one is going to go into africa and take this guy out and he's had years to rebuild his army so there's a fun

little thing to keep an eye on too matthew oh i know and then we've got those tate brothers who you know they think that they're some kind of army as well listen that's a whole other podcast that's a whole very bizarre well i'm no expert on them and i wouldn't want to be um i think you know justice needs to be served with those two and just let's get on with us enough is enough

hey listen matthew listen i appreciate your opinions and we might not share some opinions but i respect yours now listen another tinfoil hat moment this is our this is our this is our last clip from benny and then we'll be we'll be wrapping up so i want to talk to you guys about the possibility of this incident in new york being an indicator right a non-destructive non-threatening event that makes world news so everyone sees it there's no deaths here so there's no mass security it's just a controlled event possibly terrorism to me this incident reeks of okay it's time to step up what we're doing you're all going to see it on the news you're all going to know what this means and this was footage of a man running along the road and emptying a bunch of what looked like petrol and three devices that rolled out of the bag and everyone thought it was a bomb, the guy was apprehended all the rest of it. This is one of the maddest moments ever because if this was an attack on this building he would have just done this in the building and I feel like this is to me a bit of a signal. I could also just be a crazy guy. I could also just be a crazy guy

Matthew. Well there are lots of crazies out there you know wherever you go you see these crazy people you know i was walking along the pavement earlier in streets of south kensington and there was a man with literally just his underpants on standing on the basement talking to himself and you know he did i i recognized him and he he is somebody who has become a britain's posher squatter he's living in the two hundred and ten million pound house and he's been banned from hyde park because um he decided well he was prosecuted because he decided to start hugging swans well what he was planning to do with the swans i don't know he's a swedish person who has lived in the doorway of a 210 million pound house that's been empty for years uh it's owned by some chinese people and he's sort of become this kind of crazy character who shouts at people that you He walked by and he doesn't want you there. But, you know, there are crazy people everywhere.

A hundred percent.

It doesn't matter whether you're, you know, in some place in Clacton, you know, where there's huge amounts of deprivation. A place called Jaywick, which is the most deprived place in Britain, or it doesn't matter if you're in Kensington. The poverty is there. You know, every day I now see a homeless man opposite the cafe I go to. he's sleeping outside a shop i don't think he's doing anyone any harm and he has been given food and drink and all sorts of things by lots of people who walk by and i've seen people attacking him and it's disgusting the people leave they should leave this man be the shop is empty he's doing no harm to anyone um and this man you know has been

I saw one woman come and pull his bedsheets away and kick him, and it was disgusting, absolutely awful. But so many other people I've seen the other side taking him sandwiches and, you know, leaving him a cigarette. I saw the policeman give him a cigarette. Now, that was one thing that I've seen the policeman, I salute them. Many people say don't give him cigarettes because I know you're encouraging him. but i'm sorry if you're homeless if you want a cigarette or a glass of wine or beer i say good for you you deserve it because you know if you're going through that who knows he could be a veteran who knows he he's clearly got mental health problems because he he doesn't seem to be but that man is harming nobody and you know that's one thing whereas this man who goes around harassing the swans is sort of given articles in the daily mail as if he's a bit of amusement and he's not amusement at all he's a pest and you know there are different sites and the one you've got in that picture well i would suggest that's probably just some crazy person but there are

plenty of them out there yeah yeah i agree well look our last story and we're going to round the show up with some positive news this is a channel with 30 subscribers this is a man called it is aaron okay he is on a mission i don't know aaron but aaron has done aaron is on a mission to use the youtube algorithm and the because the way that youtube shorts make money is you get like one tenth of a cent for a comment or a share or things like this and he's trying to pay off his wise student debt of 17 000 just by using this algorithm so i'm going to post this and if you could all just go and spam in his in his chat in his little uh his comment section here we go here's my comment here here uh we are doing it i'll be back on after my podcast i'm going to share this and we get the web behind this because i'm so here for helping this guy when it costs nothing

right so just always help if you could help somebody who without it costing you anything

there's a bonus so yeah and and i mean listen he's asking for nothing and i am fully here to see if we can help this guy uh pay off his wife's 17k with just the youtube algorithm on short form content uh so yeah i mean if he was just i wish him well i wish him i wish him well too if he was to try and do it off views alone he would need about 17 million views for 17 000 pounds of short form content so he's doing it this way so let's get behind him and i just want to say mr

steeples well thank you very much for your time and um i expect to be uh here for nearly two hours but um there we go um always a pleasure matthew for inviting me onto your program and uh i hope you have a wonderful afternoon and uh my best wishes to all of the viewers and um if any of them happen to be in london tomorrow i am doing a little tour of the crime scenes of the rich and famous that they'd like to come along, but they're very welcome to email me editorial at the steeple times.com Oh yeah. You know, two hour walking tour of some very strange places, so. Sounds awesome. They want to do that tour, but you know, I'm happy to come and talk to you further about Anne Whittacombe and anything else.

Yes, I would love that, I would love that. Listen, just before we go, when's the next quiz? And are the quizzes still going? Oh, I did a quiz.

Oh, I did a quiz on Saturday evening and we had a gentleman called Simon Coates who won the quiz with four points he got four out of twenty four out of twenty, Jesus Christ what sort of quizzes are these? he got four out of twenty and he won the first person who answers, it's the fastest finger first

oh it's first to finger first, we definitely didn't see that

most of the people I'm afraid are not, they do come up with some very strange answers Most of them do give very bizarre answers to questions. And I don't encourage the use of the AI Google cheating method.

Absolutely not.

So the speediest answer is the one I accept because I can tell that most of these people that answer immediately are actually knowledgeable.

100%. Well, listen, Matthew, be aware, though, there is now smart glasses that just look like a regular pair of glasses as someone's talking will give you the context of what they're saying. It will look up facts. It's where we're headed,

right? Oh, well, I know. Well, I'm avoiding the AI as much as I possibly can. I'm very much of notebooks and traditional notebooks. 100%.

For me, though, I can only, like, when you, sometimes you say words, and I'm like, gotta Google that one, Matthew. But the glasses would tell me, you see? And then I'd be like, ah, I know what fear of similitude means now, Matthew. There we go. All right, but listen, thank you for being here can't wait to speak to you again your links are okay well enjoy the rest of your

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