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So I booted up today and here's what I noticed.

Okay.

You know, you just start talking and you hope an interesting thought comes into your head. That's where I find myself right now. So I booted up and what I noticed was- Talking about booting up was going to get you going? Yeah, it was just going to trigger something for the cold open. Anything ever funny ever happen for you guys when you boot up? Look at this. Oh, Sean's wearing a boot. Oh, he's still wearing his walking boot.

Oh, now we're into a freesale association and it's improv and yes and and yes and to an all-new smart list.

I apologize for picking my teeth. I just got through a bunch of really leafy vegetables. Okay. So I might have to excuse myself mid-record here.

You think?

Well, I mean, I don't know. To what, to go brush? Well, no. Why don't you get some floss? I've got the little pick right here. I apologize you're having to watch. You and whoever the surprise guest is, I apologize.

What, you can't bear it until after?

No, if I have something stuck between my teeth, everything stops. Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of the same way. I can't, it's like a bee is stuck in my car. I've got to pull over.

You've got a bee in your butt. Yeah, you've got a bee in your butt.

Hey, there's a good saying. You should start that.

You've got a bee in your butt. JB, now, how's your new setup? JB's in New York now. How's your setup? Pretty good?

It's good. I'm just, I'm in the hotel for a week, and then I get the keys on Friday. So then I'll go over to the Aparte Monte. And you'll be there for three or four months. Yes.

Wow, isn't it wild?

And I just got back. I know. I should be staying at your place. By the way, why don't you? Too late, you dick. It's a real safe invite now that I'm obligated to a fucking long-term lease.

You know you could have done that. But it would have been too small for you.

I'm going to be there soon, JB. Yeah, no, we didn't have to. Why are you going there, Will? I'm going to be there. Because life. Because life, bro. Life.

Yeah, maybe. Yeah, so I guess that's why I couldn't stay at your place. You've got a nice new fancy spot here, don't you?

I don't have keys yet. Why? Because you're making it fancier?

You're in the middle of making it fancier?

No. No, no, no, no.

It's a long, it's complicated. But I'm very excited. We're excited for you. I'm super jealous. You know how long I've wanted to live here. I know.

Why don't you just get a little tiny something?

Your second. How many times have you had a place in Manhattan, Will? Oh, God. Like a place, not like a hotel, but... Yeah, you and Amy used to live there.

I lived there for over 20 years, full time. Yeah.

Yeah, but that was just one spot, right? I mean, how many different spots have you had here?

Different. Oh, my God, countless. I had so many apartments.

You have more or less than a dozen apartments. Count them. More or less than a dozen apartments in Manhattan.

Probably around a dozen.

Oh, really? Yeah, something like that.

Close to it, if not 10. That sounds exhausting.

I'm so jealous. You, Sean?

In New York?

The one you have now, Sean, is your first? Is that your first?

It's the first place I've owned, yeah, for now six years.

You know, back in the day, I used to move around a lot. You know, like you'd live with roommates for a year and then somebody would bail and so you'd have to move across town. I used to be able to move in a taxi, one taxi cab ride. Just a couple duffel bags, for real. And like stuff like a mattress, like a futon mattress in the trunk and then like go across town and then like move back across town and whatever. Like just, you know.

Oh, this is sad. Those are sad moves.

I remember, I think fondly back, I used to live on 21st Street for years and I remember having, I lived in this, basically a studio. This is such a boring story, but I'm going to do it anyway. and a fold-up futon mattress. I didn't even have the frame. So in the day, I'd roll it up in the corner on the couch.

Just a cushion?

On the floor. Like a swollen yoga mat. Yeah, and then I'd have that. And then I had, like, two pairs of jeans and two T-shirts and whatever. And a dream. It was so simple. Yeah. And there was just, there was nothing, there was nothing. It was just, I got to say, it was incredible.

But isn't one of the greatest things about getting older is that you don't move around like that. you don't realize when you're younger how exhausting it is to keep moving and moving

you also become attached to more you get attached to more stuff as you get older too or do you get rid of it a bit

you're like where is all this stuff

hey Sean is that a new placement for the SAG award of which I bet you have many we don't need to see your fucking awards

nobody counts four SAG awards oh shit why would you count that

Yeah, but that's in a new spot right over your shoulder.

No, I don't know who put it there. I swear I don't. Okay, Scotty. I'm taking it out afterwards.

Well, let's find out the mystery of who put the SAG award in, Fred.

But have you noticed that people do that on their Zooms? They put their awards in the background. Why is that?

I'm still bothered about that TV behind you because it never gets viewed because it's in the worst.

Well, sometimes if... Well, no, sometimes if... This is my office, and so... I know, I know where it is. If there's stuff going on.

Yeah, we could see the fax machine. Oh, God, he's really knocking down big deals over there.

But it's just the placement of it is so locked in. And then the seating on the other side of your desk is so far away.

I know, I know. No, it's not that far. Anyway, when Scotty's got something going on, I come in here and I'll watch. I don't need to explain myself to you. Okay, here we go. Ready? Watch this. Yep, sure. My guest today is smarter than all of us combined and practically half our age. He started college as a pre-med chemistry major because he was inspired by Sandra... Is this Doogie? Is this Doogie Howser? Craze Anatomy. He was born in Australia, moved to Quebec, then to Colorado when he was nine. Later, he moved to New York, got a graphic design job to pay the bills while doing late-night improv and eventually walked into 30 Rock and booked Saturday Night Live, giving him seven seasons and five Emmy nominations. It's a hilarious, delightful Bowen Yang.

Oh my goodness. It's Doogie. What's up, doogs? It's Doogie Howza. It's Doogs. I've never seen it. I've never seen that show. You're too young. You're too young. I don't think I've seen pieces of it.

Wait, Bowen's got, you've got awards behind you too.

No, and you guys, I knew you guys were going to...

No, that's a bust of Ben Franklin.

This is Ben Franklin? No, this is the parting gift they gave me at SNL. The makeup guy. Is that Lorne? So now they do 3D scans of your face. Yeah, that's Lorne. No, they do 3D scans of your face. Wait, you're not done on SNL. Yes, he is. Yes, he is. Oh, God damn it. It's okay, but we had a good time there, Jason. I gotta read a fucking... Just last year. I love this, by the way. There's a special quality to this. It's so His Girl Friday, just you guys all overlapping. It's so cool.

No, we're the worst interviewers, and we get a lot of shit because we interrupt each other all the time. People are like, I wish they'd shut up. We're like, well, this isn't what a conversation is, right?

People don't get it. What about on yours? You guys overlap, I bet, all the time. Or do you do it together?

Las Culturitas. We do it together now. We used to do, we would do it very much on Zoom in years past, but now we're back to spatial, shared, whatever. Studio. You guys are going to really Rorschach test my shelves, aren't you? I don't see, this is the thing about awards. Mine are mostly glass, which I feel like are less legitimate. What, your awards? Because they could break.

Well, let's go on the books. You got Kate Bush.

Oh, really? I got a Kate Bush thing. Oh, yeah. I like Kate Bush.

What do you got, a HomePod? Is that a HomePod up in there?

This is a Sonos. This is a Sonos.

Oh, gotcha.

What's the gold one?

The gold thing is a...

Golden Globe? No, this is the newly redesigned Academy Museum honor. I was there. You were there. I was there when you got it. I was there when you got it, yeah. No way. Congratulations. They used to be, thank you, but they used to be smaller silver Oscar statues. Really? And now it's a gold ice cream cone. I don't understand why they changed it. What's it for? Vibes. I don't know. For being excellent, you dumbass.

For being great at what he does. Vibes. Which is? Can anyone here describe what I do? Sean, I don't know if you know that Sean won a silver fedora. Yeah, look at that. Right behind him there. It's cool.

For excellent cosplaying of Indiana Jones.

It's excellent. And he was excellent at it.

Bo and Yang, what's, what's... Hang on a second. No, don't yeah me. I'm fucking talking to Bo and Yang. Wow. How dare you? That's so rude. Cool it. Sorry, God. No, I want to talk to Bo and Yang for a second. and I want to know how and why you moved around and what happened. We were just talking about moving around and then Sean intros you and it's like bing bong. They're like all over the place. All over the place.

Why did I move around? Yeah, your parents, you were born and then you moved to Quebec and then what did I just say?

You started in Australia.

Then you had to get the hell out of there for some reason. Quebec and then Colorado.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quebec and Colorado. No, it was, my dad's been at the same job for the past like 38 years But he got his doctorate in Australia. So that's where my sister and I were born, in Brisbane. Then we moved to Canada, Montreal, where I learned about Celine Dion. And then we moved to Colorado. And what did you learn about there? I learned about... Oh, no, I moved to Colorado.

Go ahead and get in trouble right now.

At the tail end of... I'm going to get in trouble. I moved at the tail end of the Clinton administration, right after Columbine and JonBenet Ramsey to Colorado. So as an eight-year-old, I'm like,

the whole Clinton administration was about tail end. Let's be honest, okay, guys? Hey, wait, Bowen, Bowen, how many years, how old were you then when you moved from Quebec? Because I want to get into the Canada stuff, obviously, as a Canadian. Let's get into it. Yes, I would love to.

Eight years old. So I was hysterically sobbing, being like, why are we moving to the place where people get killed? It was right after Jean Benet, who was in Boulder, and it was after all this mess.

Wait, but this is interesting. I'm going to tell you, Willie, because this will prompt Bowen. Your dad grew up literally in a straw and mud hut in Inner Mongolia, taught himself to read by candlelight, got a PhD in mining explosives. What? That's right. And then moved across three countries. That's crazy. You can go to school for anything.

So he got a doctorate in blowing stuff up.

Yeah. And blowing stuff up at quarries and such. Yes. Well, he loves it. He can take it anywhere he wants, I guess. Sure.

But I love your explanation. I love your explanation. He loves it. He loves it.

But like that, I guess you would. I would want someone to be very credentialed before I hand them keys to some explosives.

Right.

Sure. So, yeah.

Yeah. And then you went to, when you, go ahead. No, you go, you go. I was going to say this relate to Will you went to you were like blown away by Just for Laughs which is what a comedy festival pun intended I was blown away just pour rire

yeah really good just pour rire just pour rire so Will rire hein oh here they go here they go we get it you guys there would be like three street performers what what Jason I wish I knew a language

No, but you're allergic to culture. No, but you're allergic to tabernacle. You do not have this bridge to tabernacle.

I love Montreal. So do I. Montreal is a phenomenal city. Truly, truly. I mean, people say Portland has the best strip clubs. Montreal had the best strip clubs. And I had the authority to say this as a child. You drive through them on the way back from Chinatown into the suburbs. and you would pass by the strip clubs and they had great lights.

Vancouver was pretty gifted for the ballet as well. Don't you drag that shit into here. Yeah, no, Frazier Arms right there, just outside the airport there. Why don't you try to compare it? Frazier Arms.

Nobody does a peeler bar like Montreal. Old peelers, yeah. Hey? Anyway.

So what were you inspired by just for laughs? Like, what's the first thing you saw? You're like, oh my God, I have to do that.

The laughs. I heard the laughs. There would be like street performers and they still have that. But like it would be free street performances and it would be the most like Quebec crazy kooky stuff. Yeah.

A mime who, like, pulls something out of his ear. Like, I don't know. It was just, like, clowning plus, like, jokes. I don't know. It just didn't have to make sense, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was that, and then... So Montreal was what ages to what ages? Sorry. No, that's okay. It was three to nine. Three to nine, and then to Colorado. And then to Colorado, nine to 17, yeah. And 17 to what was where? New York, and 17 to now has been New York. Wow. Wow. I'm 17. Is that, when people ask me, where are you from? I don't know. You're not sure what to say? I feel like it's stolen valor if I say, well, if I say, oh, Colorado, and then Canada before that, people are like, and then I tell them what years I grew up there. They were like, oh, well, you should just say Colorado. And I'm like, yeah, but developmentally, like those Canada years were important to me.

Well, how much, but really, I mean, for any of us, how much do you remember before nine years old? Not a ton. I remember a ton. Yeah, just a lot of screeching tires, Shani.

Not all of us had to black it out, man. You know what I mean? Jakey Bates. Jakey was trying to learn how to die on the set of Little House on the Prairie and getting notes on, a little less on the dying, Jake, okay? Little Jakey Bates with his bowl cut. Have you ever seen photos? Google Jason when he was a kid. He's so fucking cute. Yeah. It's unbelievable. And you can see him getting there in action, and he's got to die.

Pulling up my overalls. Hey, Pa.

Hey, Pa.

No, but I think most of what shaped me happened once I got to California, which was seven till now. I mean, you know, I remember snow and things like that in Salt Lake City, Boston, New York within the ages before. But nothing really shaped who I am happened before then, right? Sure. I mean, so I think... Well, I mean, not as much as, you know, your Colorado years. You know, nine to 17. I mean, that's the whole cookie right there.

I mean, Jason, let's be honest. Living in L.A. from, you know, 18 and through your 20s, you saw a lot of snow then, too. Hey, huh? Let's be real. Let's be real, huh? The fucking Porsche peeling out of water, brothers, with a fucking beak full of snow.

You come so wicked.

Jesus. Oh, we had some fun. Oh, we had fun. So, Bowen, how do you go? So, pre-med chemistry, is that right? Is that? yeah it was it was i was i was taking cover behind it really okay because i was i was looking at colleges and i was like purely motivated by like what the comedy scenes were there oh okay so so you it was between like northwestern and nyu yeah so you but you so you went with the with the intention to pursue comedy under the guise of pre-med pretty much is that what you're saying

We were just talking to Colin just about this, right? Where he was... Similar. Yeah, so he's going into Harvard studying, was it... Economics. Economics. Oh, yeah. And then he decided to just sort of tack over to comedy when he's sitting at... So you could go to Northwestern or like you had the skills, the academic qualifications to really get yourself a career that you could count on, a nice, healthy base salary and some longevity, et cetera. But you were like, no, no, let's go with comedy. That's what I want to put it all in on, huh?

Terrible, terrible. I mean, thank God it works out. Not terrible, but who's laughing now? But interesting, yeah.

Yeah, you're killing it. So it all worked out. But I was interested to ask Colin about that and I'm gonna ask you the same. It was, go ahead.

Well, I feel like with Harvard, it's like the lampoon is like kind of institutionally there. You know what I mean? I feel like with NYU, it was like, now I feel like, especially at SNL, it's like, oh, NYU is sort of the pedigree. Whereas like, I don't know, 10 years ago, it was more Harvard-leading. Oh, okay. Oh, really? Right? I don't know.

So that was part of the thinking? Because did you end up going to NYU? Yeah. Yeah. So then that was, you thought of that as possibly a feeder for SNL. SNL was a goal? SNL was never the goal.

SNL was, like, too far out of reach. But, like, what ended up happening was, like, people from our little ilk at NYU, our coterie of, like, freaks and weirdos were, like, being raptured up into the SNL spaceship. And then we were like, oh, wait. So now we have, like, we have our little canaries or whatever. I mean, it sounds nefarious, but it...

Well, were you, it does sound, it sounds like you're hiding something, but do you, were you doing, were you doing sketch, were you doing stand-up? Yeah, were you at UCB, what were you doing?

This was, we were, I was going into NYU right after,

after these boys from Derek Comedy had just sort of, like, stormed the scene. It was Donald Glover and, like, D.C. Pearson and Dominic Dierkes. Like, Rachel Bloom was in her senior year. Steph Shue was doing sketch comedy there. Like, it was all these, like, people who were like, oh, there's something special about them. And then, but we, like, at the time, you couldn't say, like, well, we're all gonna make it big. You know, it just wasn't... You just did what you loved. You could never say that out loud. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it sounds so annoying when people ask you, like, would you have any advice? And I'm like, I, if you can, if you can be at the right place at the right time, but there's never any way of knowing. Yes. That's a great point.

Were you doing anything simultaneously to sort of, you know, mitigate your risk? You know? Yeah. Studying anything else or?

Studying chemistry, volunteering at Bellevue, at Bellevue Hospital, the ER at Bellevue, where I got fired because I had to like, because I, I like, I added like 10 minutes to my time chart or something. It was like they were serious as a heart attack, so to speak, about it. They would not let anything slide. We'll be right back.

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This is really interesting. I read that at NYU when you were chemistry pre-med. That's because of Sandra Oh. You were a huge fan of Sandra Oh on Grey's Anatomy. And then what happened, which I think is hilarious, and her character name... That's not a bit? That's not a bit.

It's not a bit. It's not a bit.

And her character name is Christina Yang.

Christina Yang. isn't that crazy it's like the classic your wires getting crossed it wasn't that I wanted to be a doctor because I saw her it was because one I wanted to maybe act and two because I was a gay man worshipping an actress's work it was just those two things it's a one two punch

It's a one-two punch.

But chemistry is not medicine. You're not studying medicine. So what could one...

Well, what are you studying, Jason? Let's hear your thoughts on chemistry.

I want to know what kind of career one can anticipate with a chemistry degree.

So it's funny. Like back in the day, the word industry to me meant, didn't mean anything in Hollywood. It meant, oh, you're working an industry job in chemistry, which means you work for Procter & Gamble or something. You make deodorants. Dow. Dow, yeah. You make these pharmaceuticals.

That was a genuine interest for you. You were going to pursue that.

No, it wasn't. It was not genuine at all. Chemistry was because it was the path of least resistance to getting to like finishing my credits. There was no like actual interest in it. I mean, I know some stuff.

It was a subject you had a handle of. Like you didn't struggle. Like I struggled greatly with chemistry. Yeah. It's not simple. On the bus? On the bus, yeah. On what? On the bus.

By the way, nobody registered any shock on that. It was silent after you said that. I wasn't looking for shock. Bowen, you never had the feds, you never had a knock at the door of the feds for the kid who's a chemistry major whose dad was involved in a you didn't get like a quick visit

I should have you didn't have

trouble traveling

I'm sure I'm on a list oh no you're right I never thought of that

Will I mean but I wanted I wanted to say all the crazy SNL stuff so you were like I read you were like me when you were a kid you would sit in your room or with your family and do the bunny ears on the TV and so and look and get SNL on Saturday night I used to do that and watch it by myself in like one of my brother's rooms because nobody was around. And then Sandra Oh ends up posting the show, right?

Where was everybody?

Sorry, where was everybody? And then your sister introduced you to SNL and then you were voted senior most likely to be on SNL

in your high school? Because that was like the florid sort of like embellished language for our superlatives. It was like, instead of like class clown, and was like most likely to be on SNL. Right, right, right.

Yeah, but there's so many. I was a senior most likely to trip at graduation. Bless him. But there's no... Did you? Yeah, I did, actually. On what?

Acid or shrooms? Ew. Ew. Hey, come on, guys. Let's all be alive. Let's look alive.

Let's look alive. No, but I just think that's so wild. And so you watch it, your sister said, then you got voted for it, then you went there, and then Margaret Cho was there. There's so many arrows pointing that you were going to be on the show. It's just crazy. I guess, I guess.

And then, but then, so when the audition happens, does all that stuff flood in and you feel the stakes and the pressure of it? Or were you kind of indifferent?

But let's figure out, like, how did that audition happen and then that feeling? Like, what was the, yeah, how did you get into the machine?

So speaking of Just for Laughs, that used to be the pipeline. Like, the SNL talent people would go to Just for Laughs in the summer and, like, they would pick out their people. I never made it to that stage. and so I was like, I guess it's not in the cards for me but then my manager at the time said put together a tape, five minutes like the standard entry point and I was like they'll never ever fucking hire an effeminate Asian guy on that show why would they ever need that so on a lark I was like no one's ever going to see this tape so let me just fuck around and do what's funny for me and then somehow slipped through that's freeing though

that's a good lesson for everyone that must have been

that feeling of like fuck it kind of going to what Jason was saying that feeling of you're doing it and being able to do it without a net because you just don't not that you don't care it's a sexy indifference as Jason likes to say right it must have felt really good being able to just kind of

do whatever I think I'm talking to the right people but I just read this somewhere I don't really have any knowledge of it but it's that thing that like it's like not the yips but it's like Golfers have this when they're a little too focused on the swing. They just lose all prowess. They lose all capability. It's when you're not in a flow state, but it's when you're not thinking of the micro decisions. It's when you're like, who cares? Figure skaters have this. It's like athletes have this overall. Pretend like no one's watching.

Hondo P. Hondo P. Hondo P. Guys, how young am I? But it is true. I do think about that all the time. you think about it well literally in golf they talk about like gripping too tight but there is that notion of gripping too tight in life on any of that stuff and when you do that that's what I meant you must have felt really like god I bet you that was such

an advantage because everybody else is doing their tapes and they're so tight because they got to get it right. Yep. Yep. And I wasn't, I didn't really care. Yeah. So when, so this I read and hopefully this is tragically hilarious and not just tragic. If you want to talk about it, we don't have to. But I'm fascinated by the fact that your parents sent you to conversion therapy in Colorado when you were 17.

It was hilarious. I mean, that's why. It actually was. Yeah. I'm like,

there's some comedy, probably a lot of comedy from how horrible that was, yeah?

Definitely, because it was eight weeks. So the comedy begins and the whole sort of occasioning of it, which was the ultimatum. So like, I don't come out. I like am discovered to be gay based on the family computer. Remember those? It was like my parents going on the family computer being like, Bowen, what's this? Oh, and they saw him. A sultry, dirty, dirty picture.

Going through your search history.

It was a chat window. it was a chat window you gotta close those so we're sharing it

there's a family computer we're all sharing is that what it was and you just walked away to get a coke

to get cocaine to get Jason's cocaine

so you didn't close your window

I didn't close my window so mom prints it out how old are you 17 17

So she shakes the paper in front of you and says, qu'est-ce que c'est?

She said, qu'est-ce que c'est? And you got to put a little bit more Quebecois on it, Jason. C'est quoi ça? C'est quoi ça? And it was crazy. And it was like, I would be coming home to my parents sobbing at the dinner table every day. And I was like, I have to make this right. Like, how could I cause this much pain? And so the ultimatum was, it gets funny, I promise. The ultimatum was either you stay in state in Colorado, go to Boulder, live with us, or you can go to college with your sister if you go to conversion therapy. But the punchline is my sister was at the gayest school in the country, NYU. Wow. So I was like, sure, I'll do the conversion therapy. It was eight weeks in the summer and it actually became like great bonding time because it was in Colorado Springs, two hour drive up and down from Denver. my dad and I would like bond in the car and just like actually get to know each other for the first time as like adults or something. And then the guy is such a quack that like by like the eighth session, whatever, like we're going through like some diluted version of like cognitive behavioral therapy where he's like trying to like put me in my body. Like anytime I've been attracted to a guy, like it was because you were miserable. It's because you were like in pain. And I'm like, but no, no, no. Then the last session.

It just makes me sick. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It is what it is. So the second to last session, my dad is asking him for referrals in New York. He was like, Bowen's been going to New York. Do you have anyone there who does this kind of work? He's like, sure, I'll come up with some names next time. The next week at the last session, Stonewall. Yeah, go to Stonewall and go to Pieces in the West Village. The last session, he like walks me, he like starts to go into this anecdote in the third person about one of his former patients. And he's like, yeah, my former patient just gets off at the side of the road in San Bernardino, which is not where you want to be late at night. And his car broke down. And then he goes to a Denny's. And then the waiter's making eyes at him. And then my therapist starts to shift into the first person. And then I was like, am I really going to have sex with this guy? And then I did. And then he caught himself shifting into the first person. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

And then the blood left his face. and in that moment it was like oh I've just undone all of this work that we've this like fake phony work that we've been doing for the past eight weeks wow and then I was like wow none of this was real I walk out I've wasted my time he pulls out a little piece of paper he's like so I couldn't find anyone in New York who does this but there is a guy in Trenton, New Jersey and then my dad and I were like I used to date him I used to date him but my dad and I were like oh I guess yeah I'll take the train out to Jersey every week to see this person. Just trying to like, just trying to like swat this away. I was like, there's no way I'm ever going to continue this. And so I was like in the closet for like a year at NYU. But then like all these comedy, these comedy nerds that I was friends with were like, you're gay. And then by sophomore year, I was out.

But Bowen, look, we're not talking about the 50s here. We're talking about just a half a dozen years ago. And it sounds like you, and you're in Colorado, which is progressive-ish. And you're great friends with your parents, it sounds like. Yes. I mean, notwithstanding the fact that they...

that they want you to go through conversion therapy, you're still like getting along with them and you're driving and you're bonding with your dad and blah, blah, blah. Like how, I don't understand how all this can sort of match because at what point, didn't you at some point say, yeah, no, no, guys, I am gay. I'm happy and you love me and you're happy with me. And like, why are we trying to convert anything?

Right, right. They, it's not really a religious thing for them or it wasn't like, I think for them, it was just this cultural thing coming out of China.

Yeah, yeah. Right.

Yeah. Well, not even, it's not even on a political alignment. It's just them thinking like, oh, I don't want my child to have a worse, harder life. And for them, like they, so what my dad kept saying to me was, speaking of like the straw mud hut sort of ethos, he was like, where I grew up, this doesn't happen. Like there are people like this. And I was like, no, there are. They just had no concept of it. And so they are both scientists, engineers. They think in terms of solutions. They think in terms of what can be done to change this. And they had... I understand.

I read you said your dad will still occasionally suggest you could try women, and you called it almost endearing homophobia.

It's so sweet. Isn't it so sweet? That's so funny. That is so funny. It's so nice. Bless him.

have you guys had the conversations of like, I guess it turns out there was nothing to really worry about right?

we've had, oh yeah I think we've patched it up really nicely, like they have apologized I have always kind of understood where they've come from I didn't really worry about that

it sounds like you had a lot of understanding of it even early on, understanding that A, you wanted to go to college so you were doing it to kind of just go through the motions so you could go but it does sound like you I don't hint there's no hint of any sort of anger towards it like you were like yeah I get it I know where they're coming from that's very kind that shows a kind spirit

to be honest yeah yeah I love that so I want to go back to if you don't mind there's never a subject that Sean doesn't want to get away from

more than every subject he's got his question he's never happy

where he is he's always trying to leave where he is 100% we're enjoying Bowen we're talking to him we're having a real conversation No, I know.

Look, if you want, we can talk about being gay all day long. No, I don't want to. Whatever. Just go. Okay, so the SNL screen says, we kind of covered that, but I want to talk about, so first you were hired as a writer at such a young age, which is amazing. You weren't even on camera. Sure. You were. And how old were you? 27? That's a reasonable age. That's pretty young, though. That's reasonable. But the first time you were on camera, which made me laugh, the first I laughed so hard at you playing Kim Jong-un oh thanks it was so fucking so good it was so funny Jason's already laughing just think about it oh my god I gotta find that it was so funny I mean I love it thanks and then the one the first thing that ever went super viral was you played the iceberg the what was it yes the iceberg that's like the Titanic yeah the iceberg that's like the Titanic yeah Sean the iceberg which is so funny what was it like Like, talk to me about being a writer and then going, hey, you know what? We think you should be a featured player. And you're Kim Jong-un and you're this iceberg that hit the Titanic hit. The same sketch? No, no, no. What was the same sketch? It was him. The rage on this guy. It was him all along. Was the feeling like, oh my, like how nervous were you to be doing the thing that you set out to do on the first time?

So nervous. So what I remember from the Kim Jong-un thing, was it was when sandra hosted as you said yeah i was i was a writer and uh insane insane insane and so just insane just insane in synchronicity etc yeah i know it's all it's all very kismet how

was that conversation when you went did you go up to her at some point and say hey so i just got to tell you really quick yeah when i was like did you tell her how much you're responsible yes okay

good oh yeah yeah yeah so i i would like do these pre-tiktok i would do these things where i would just kind of match on a lip flap perfect level the little recitals and monologues. I saw you lip sync the whole monologue from Devil Wears Prada. I did that. You've got to see it. It's unbelievable. I've scrubbed them. I don't know why I'm so ashamed to see them now. But it's incredible. I don't know. They seem prehistoric to me. But anyway, Sandra and I met before she hosted and then she hosted these other writers, Streeter Seidel writes me into the sketch where I play Kim Jong-un. I don't have contacts at the time and they don't put my prescription in the glasses that I wear. And so I had to be off book, basically, which is not...

It's not what you do at SNL, as you guys know. Like, I used to be off book. I had to, like, call a Korean friend, Karen Chi, who used to write at Seth Meyers. I was like, can you translate these lines into Korean for me? Learned the Korean, was off book on a foreign language. Then it was just a million different things. And I had a sketch on that week that I had to be, I sat under the bleachers next to Lorne Michaels in the Kim Jong-un costume. Getting notes. Like, I'm in this Kim Jong-un costume, and he turns to me, he's like, maybe we cut to Keenan sooner or whatever. I'm like, this is the most surreal, that's still the most surreal week of my life that I've had.

Pass the whispering angel.

Did you?

It's my favorite rosé. My favorite, it's on ice. Did you, kind of must have been, was it weird being all the years you were there just knowing that you were the smartest person in the building? You're learning languages, you're memorizing stuff.

No way. I mean, come on. No, no, no. I was no Colin. I was no economics major. I, um,

He doesn't know,

Because, you know, French and Korean. Yeah, you can't learn Korean and then memorize it.

Okay, so wait. Now, tell me about this. When you were 15 years old, you were doing improv at bars? Oh, yeah. Is that true? Yeah, but this is so... That doesn't age well. I feel like... I think that's fascinating. You gotta start on things. How did you get in... Like, for young people listening, it's like, oh, if you get doing improv... But how did you get into the bars What happened?

So there's a theater in Denver called the Bovine Metropolis Theater. It took me years to figure out it's a play on Cowtown. Anyway, Bovine Metropolis. But anyway, they would do like Monday nights, like kind of open mic situations. And our sponsor at the school, who is also my calculus teacher, this wonderful educator named Adrian Holguin. Calculus chemistry. I know, I know. Stop it. You guys. Oh, that's enough. So it was awful. I don't know who let their kids go drive into the city on Mondays.

I thought that was so interesting, yeah.

But it was great. It was embarrassing. Like, we bombed constantly in front of people who did not give a shit if we lived. Like, it didn't matter if we did well. It was just about, like, it's that Chris Rock thing of just, like, bomb a million times. Right, right, right, right, right.

Where did your sense of humor come from? I mean, your parents, you say, they're both scientists. But maybe, are they super funny? I mean, how did you develop it? Was it just watching?

It was, guys, this is, and I hope you guys can accept this or receive this. It's like, I think it was like, do you remember? Like, this is the value in like network comedies, right? It was everybody having the same frame of reference as to what was funny. It was watching you guys. Sorry to put you on a pedestal, but it was that.

Take your time through here. no go ahead don't finish

it was it was like it was like going to school it was going to school the next day being like oh my god did you guys watch Arrested Development or it was like and Sean like after after I did this thing so Jason my farewell sketch was with Cher and I thought and I was constantly thinking back to Sean Sean and Cher together and it was just I mean that's just like peak guest star God Sean I love to be the guest star moment

with Cher

so good

Was that a moment for you when Will and Grace really hit their stride? And I mean, yes, there was a moment when Ellen came out. That was the big sort of watershed moment. But then Will and Grace, I believe, followed that, Shawnee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And was that, did you feel a sense of like, well, there may be a spot for me. I might be able to just light my hair on fire and say, yeah, I'm not closeted about anything. There is room for me and us and et cetera. Yes?

I don't know if I got that far because I'm telling you guys like I never I would have been if you had asked me right as I moved to New York or like right out of college if you had asked me what my like ideal job was in showbiz it would have been just to be in a room just to be in a writer's room I never placed myself in those things and I don't know if it's about like you know representation stuff it was more just about like I'm good just knowing the inner work I would like watch The Simpsons and like study the credits like I was it was about that it was like that was the granular kind of comedy thing that I was working with. But watching Sean, I think it was about like, oh, this is the language, this is the vocabulary of like, or this is just a sensibility of what like gay queer humor is. And then it turns out it's universal.

And if I could do that and take what Sean's doing and just dial it in half and then you could have something good. You could have some kind of future. Like if you could just make it somewhat palatable, you know what I mean, and then you could...

I can only hope... I can say that

to the guy who's got four SAG Awards and Emmys and Tony's. Who counts four? Sean, are you an Academy Award way from an EGOT?

No, but I'm an E.T.

You've got your Tony and your Emmy.

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Wait, Bowen, so, but that, but Jason, if you haven't seen it, his, his last, Bowen's last sketch, his goodbye sketch, was, took place in a Delta lounge and it was with Ariana Grande and Cher and it was so clever how you wrote it or how you and the writers wrote it, whatever, that you, your wife calls you And, well, can I say? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. You said, I forget what it was about, but it was eggnog, right? Yes. And Ariana Grande's character.

It was the Christmas show.

Yes. Yes. And she says, all the eggnog you've made over the years, some of it was great, some of it was rotten. And you say, and a lot of it got cut. And a lot of it got cut. Which is really cute. And it was very emotional. It was really clever. It was really clever to do a Delta Lounge.

And you were saying, it was really like. It was, it's a little, yeah, it's a kind of, it's obviously like allegorical, metaphorical, whatever, but I was like, oh, something about departures at an airport. It was the Christmas show. It was like, oh, something about like.

Jason got it finally.

Jason got it. I got it. It just takes me a bit. He's this old man who works through the eggnog station, and then he's like, oh, like eggnog, it's not for everyone, but the people who like it really like it, and they're my kind of people. And like, that's like the whole message of it all. And then Cher comes out as the boss. Yeah, it was really funny. That is sweet.

Walk us through the thinking about leaving and the approach to that, the decision to that. What the next five to ten years of your life looks like if you could program it. Do you allow yourself to kind of make plans and strategize a bit?

Kind of. I don't know. I feel like I can't plan around trade wins. I feel like things are just uncertain.

Oh, that is a great way to put it. You know? I love that expression. Yeah, that's really good. I've never heard that before. That's a fucking great way to put it.

But to strangle the metaphor, you do got to put the boat in the water and point it one direction.

You sunk it. You didn't strangle it. You sunk it.

No!

It's a gorgeous one. What island would you like to arrive at? Yeah, yeah. You know? The Maldives. Like, do you want to do just purely comedy? Would you like to get into drama? Do you want to do more acting, more performing? Where are you getting pulled right now?

All of it. Honestly, I'm sure you guys feel the same way. podcasting was never on the was never on the menu but it's taken up a lot of space in a good way I would love all of that I think just to go back to like the trade wins thing it's like I don't I'm honestly like thinking about where comedy lives right now it's like I feel like even at like the Emmys it feels like it's like relegated to this place even though I think comedy shows have this like extra thing they have to do where it like has to present something optimistic about the world and it's really hard to do that right now I think you know it's like I don't know I was just watching stuff I'm watching comedies and watching dramas sort of an equal measure and I'm like the dramas are amazing I love the dramas but I think the comedies have this extra thing to do where it's supposed to reflect something back at you and also be like a nice a thing that makes you feel good

yeah well first of all there's a lot of it seems to sort of this trend of a lot of pieces of material that's not necessarily comedy that gets kind of grouped under that umbrella. And I don't know how much comedy you do watch. I find that these days I don't watch a lot of comedy. I don't know if you guys do. I really just don't. I don't know if I'm missing it or it's just not the thing. I don't know. you can probably tell by how boring I am.

No.

Yeah, there's different, it seems like there's different reasons why comedy is not a big thing, not as a big thing as it used to be.

Scripted, you mean, like in that way?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's up for debate, but we need it now more than ever. What are the great,

I'm asking all of you, what are the kind of the great scripted comedy things that are out there right now? Yeah, that you would watch. The Comeback? Yeah, The Comeback. Yeah, The Comeback's pretty funny, yeah. That's bad. I mean, I love, oh, God.

Yeah, she's hilarious. Comeback. But even that, even that's a little bit, like, bleak. Like, it's like, oh, this is, this season's about AI, and it's about how, like, the writers' rooms have, like, two people in them. Right. And it's like, whoa, shit. Like, this is different than it was 10 years ago when the last season was on. It's like, it just, it has these weird, it just has this weird mirror that like is sad to look at. And that's what's hard.

Right, right, right. What about, I like talking about this, your dating life, because you said-

I'm bringing this down. The vibes are so bad. No, I like it. No, what are you talking about? I love it.

No, you're really making me think, Bone. Because Sean, before we get into the dating life, you're really making me think about that idea that like, and we want to get into your dating life in, we actually have some graphs. In five. And we also, your mom sent us some printout. We printed out some stuff. Some charts. Some chats. About some of your options. Some women. Some of the female options.

But Willie, you know, but in a recent Esquire, but I read your Esquire interview, the What I've Learned piece, when you were reflecting, you said about work, you said, this is you saying it, you said you feel like you've hit critical mass where you did too much too soon or something like that. And you wanted to slow down and focus on quieter work. I get that, but just know that, I don't feel, there's millions of people that don't feel that way about you. Yeah, I'd take a lot more from you. Yeah, there's so much more, you know. Oh, my God. Yeah, for real. Careful.

Drench me. Jason.

Hang on, Jay, your mic went out for a second. What was that? Just so we can get it, guys, quiet. Let's get it clean. Soak me.

Oh, my God. Jason. I gotta say, Jason showing up to SNL was always like, everyone was sort of straightened up, be like, oh, I'm Jason, and I had a really nice intimate conversation. It was like, everyone's like, I think he's flirting with me. It was like, Jason's a charmer.

I like to get up nice and close. That place, I love that place so much. I just watched that Lauren documentary. It was really cool. I loved it. Oh, I haven't seen it yet. I'm tired of it. It was very, very good.

So, Bowen, because I've read this too and I want you to only want what you want, but that you said it was impossible. You said it was impossible to date during SNL SNL and where you would go on a couple of dates and then just vanish? Like what's going on?

I would vanish. I mean, I put that on me. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's a self call in. Like I'm, I just, I would get swept up in, in, in the show and the work. And like, it's just so.

It's so hard to like put any stake in your own life, it felt like. But I mean, that's not to say that it's impossible to do. Now, now things are fine. Like things are normal. I'm like still, still like unlearning so many things in a way that like I am grateful for. And I also mourn how my life used to be. Like I do miss it so much. And I've been getting dinners and lunches with people on the breaks and like who are still there. And I'm like, oh, it's nice. And I have to say this because people are listening.

It's okay to be single.

Why are you saying it like that? Why are you looking at me? You know what I've never heard of? And again, this is a guy that lives in a cave, I guess. Oh, boy, this list is long.

This list is fucking long. Stuff that you've never heard of.

It's not common to hear about Saturday Night Live hookups and couples with the cast, right?

I mean, I don't think it's a gay thing. I don't think it's a gay thing

no in general just in general people who go to school together that's all you have or just your classmates I went out with him last year you don't hear about that on SNL and you'd think that you would just based on schedule you don't have a chance to meet anybody else you guys are in there all the time

we're in there all the time I thought you were talking about intra-SNL hookups within SNL

castmates dating one another or a writer with a castmate or writers and writers and you don't, right? I know. And you think that you would.

You're right. I just wasn't, yeah, I didn't really encounter that but I don't feel like I missed out.

Yeah, no, not at all. I love that your Instagram handle is at Faye Dunaway. That's your name on Instagram. I didn't know that until recently. I laughed out loud at that. First of all,

I can't believe it was available. I can't either and I'm holding onto it for dear life. If she wants to, I think she wants it back.

How much time does your podcast take from you each week?

It siphons from me like six hours a week, which is not that bad.

Right.

Which is fine.

And with your other time, what's the ratio between work pursuits versus personal, you know, just taking care of yourself?

How hard are you working, Brian? I'm working decently at like a reasonable intensity. I still am exhausted at the end of the day. Sure. I think I'm still kind of like my nervous system is still sort of like resetting from SNL where it just knows a work is done, then it's time to go to bed. Like there was that switch.

But you have to now self-program. Like there was a schedule, you had to be there a certain time, blah, blah, blah. Now you've got to do it all. Are you finding your self-motivation adequate?

not yet it's getting there it's how do you guys do it

well we're old I'm very good about like when I'm when I'm working I'm I'm very very disciplined and when I'm not working I'm I could not be worse at doing anything responsible

yeah Jason's one of my favorite quotes is Jason says I want to I want to aggressively do nothing

yeah and then and then when I'm working I'm I'm an animal well actually

the truth is and I mean this when he's not working he obsessively plays golf because it gives him something to do yeah and so he so he plays it so he plays it five six days a week yeah and then he'll say to me like hey do you want to play tomorrow I'm like no and he's like I've got like one thing but I can't do it all the time like he has to do it because he needs that I have addiction issues

Bowen I'm much better I find I'm much better

when I'm not working at being able to just kind of chill like I did my little stuff this morning and kind of like go to the gym I find it easy to watch some soccer take a nap

those are just saggy days though it doesn't matter if you wake up at 8am or 11.30am those days are like I feel like I'm being irresponsible to another day of life

I'm still up at 6am every day but get the kids to school all that kind of stuff kids give you that too Sean's on his strict chocolate cake schedule that I do not stray from. That you never stray from.

That's got a mixing bowl by 10.30.

Sean, really quick, what did you have for breakfast today? I had blood work done so I couldn't eat. But then when I came home, I had a peanut butter sandwich. Sure. A glass of milk, potato chips.

Before 11 a.m., it was a peanut butter sandwich?

Yeah. Yep. At 10.30. There's no bad time for it. Not that at all. There's always a good time for a peanut butter sandwich. So Las Culturistas, which is huge, just hit 10 years. Amazing. They've been doing that podcast for 10 years. 10. Yeah.

Great, congratulations. Yeah, that's huge. That's pretty rad. It's really cool.

What year are you guys on?

Six. Six. Yeah. Yeah, we just, we're about to hit six.

Yeah. And then you have Cat in the Hat coming out November 6th with Warner Brothers, which is amazing. I love that. Bill Hader. It's amazing. Did you see it yet? No. I love it. I forgot that I'm in it. I think that's going to be huge. And then the last thing I want to do with you, which is so, it's such a great thing you do on your podcast. it's called oh what is it called I don't think so honey I don't think so honey good shot which is which is similar to who's that guy that Jason you brought on the taxi cab guy who films oh the subway takes guy the subway oh Kareem Kareem Kareem it's a similar thing to what Kareem does which is you you have a you have a thing I don't want to put you on the spot if you don't have one but do you have a I don't think

I'm sure I do I've got one or your favorite one I've got one okay what is it I don't think so honey outdoor furniture it's a scam it is only meant to be dirtied. Your cushions are flying all around. You got to like bring down the umbrella. The rugs get dirty. There's no maintenance on outdoor furniture, but we feel compelled. It is compulsory that we buy it to fill out our outdoor spaces, and yet it never aesthetically looks pleasing. It's a terrible, terrible cycle. It's almost Faustian. I don't know how, but it's like we give up something. We give up our... So the indignation of outdoor furniture is terrible. And I know this is a very like champagne problem-y thing to have, but it's just awful. We have to cover it when it's raining.

They should give you a power washer with it.

Oh, I love that. That's a great take. Mine is, I just thought of this knowing you were coming on because it just happened to me yesterday, is pulling up to a parking spot where there's a meter or trying to find a parking spot. Somebody comes out, they get in their car. So you put your clicker on because they're about to pull out and they never pull out. They're on their phone. They take 20 minutes.

This is their time.

I don't think so, honey.

Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think so, no.

But you know what I think, Bowen Yang? You are brilliant. You are hilarious from the first time I saw you. Thank you for being here today. I love you guys. I love that. You're a treasure.

You're not just a national treasure. It turns out you're an international treasure of many countries.

Continentally North America. The Commonwealth. Commonwealth.

Thank you for being here, Bowen.

Bowen, thank you, man. Thanks, guys. what an honor yeah I love it thank you nice going I know Jason hates he hates an afternoon record I do oh my god you're so right you're so right

this is staying in you made it worth it though

keep it in

you made it worth it you was the you've changed my attitude about it they can all be like Bowen Yang records let's do it then

that was really fun thanks Bowen thanks Bowen thanks guys alrighty thanks buddy bye see ya have a good week

have a great rest of the day bye I'm great I like him I like him a lot I want to be his friend I know I think we are his friends he's really funny do you think he has any openings for friends? I think so I think he does I would underperform I'm a terrible friend

let's have dinner with him

yeah he's he's one of those people that's super intelligent and super funny and I think the two often go hand in hand not in my case but yeah

yeah

yeah and then also I think oh sorry

do you want push back on that? sorry

No, I don't want to. No. I need to get better about going out to dinner, don't I? In order to be just a halfway decent friend, I need to actually get out of the house.

You go, though, sometimes.

I mean, but I don't even take your phone calls.

I know. This is true. That's like, ah. This is true.

You guys tried to FaceTime me the other day, and I just wouldn't have it. You know what happened today? It was you and Josh, Willie.

No, you know what happened today is the three of us were on a texting chain, and then I stopped because I know you don't like to get pinged constantly.

Well, just build the paragraph and send that. I don't need 17 sentences.

But sometimes you need a conversation to go back and forth. So we're going back and forth with the thing we were all talking about. And Sean's like, I feel bad because I feel like Jason doesn't want to get annoyed. So I took you off and I just went to me and Will. We have to manage Gramps. Really? Yeah, because he has a breaking point.

What about if I'll just leave the conversation? I'll just hit that button if it gets too much.

Well, what would you say? Jason got so mad at me because he kept leaving Nurdle when we were doing it a few years ago because he didn't want the full back and forth and then I kept adding him back he's like fuck off

it's like the fish it wiggles off the hook and you keep gaffing it and pulling it into the boat it was so funny I'd be like guys watch this and then I'd add him

into the conversation that is so funny Jason what would you say if you left the conversation

I would say bye bye bye

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