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We just got to ask ourselves, WWJZ do? What would Jay-Z do? Yeah. He'd probably rap about it. He'd rap about it, and he'd rap about it, and then he'd pass the mic to Blake. No, no, I don't want the mic. Give it to Adam. I don't want the mic either, so I'll pass it back to yours. It's back to me. I don't mind that, because I'm a R-A-P-P-E-R. Where's my car? I mean, my whip, guys. Where's my whip, guys? Rapping, stopping. I don't want the mic.

T-B-T-L Guess what day it is Guess what day it is

It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday Everybody's looking forward to the weekend

My wife saw one of those damn planes these guys are fooling with That puts me on the playing field And if you'd have moved your fat feet when I told you to We wouldn't get hip deep in snow right now

That's it, security, you're out of here A year ago, this is exactly what Greg Kinnear was doing but now he has an Oscar for Sliding Doors 3, colon, Jingle All the Door. Poop, buddy, scoop, scoop, poop, poop.

The story of this situation is, it's extremely personal.

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Friday edition of TVTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. It's a kind of magic. My name is Luke Burbank, I am your host. You want to do a make-believe radio show in a room somewhere. I'm telling you, there's no money in that. Coming to you from the Nest Broadcast Center, perched high above Portland, Oregon, on a quick weather check here. Cloudy, kind of slightly damp, kind of, I don't know, uninspiring day. That's okay, though, because we have a heck of a show for you here on episode 3,338 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. Which is sure to chase away all the clouds and rain with just fascinating topics, including an update on the situation with Joe the Pigeon in Australia.

There's something about the soul of a bird.

It's just, I mean, this story is evolving really by the minute. And we are going to stay right on top of it. We're going to give you the absolute latest on what happened with this pigeon that appeared to have traveled somehow to Australia from Oregon and then was basically animal enemy numero uno in Australia. There was a shoot to kill order. And now, well, Joe may live to see another day. So we will talk about that. Also, speaking of stories full of dazzling deets. you may have seen the headlines around uh jared and ivanka or javanka and the fact that the taxpayers were paying three thousand dollars a month so that the secret service who is charged with protecting that family so that they could go next door to a rented basement apartment to use the bathroom, even though the home that Javanka and their kids live in has, I think it's six and a half bathrooms, reporting is that they were told, absolutely, do not use any of the Javanka family bathrooms, and so for a while they were going over to the Obama's house, this is a real thing, they were going to the Obama's house to use the bathroom because it's like a block away anyway we'll give you a full update plus because it's a friday we got some music for your weekend as well and we've got this guy uh he's the longest running cobro of the show he is known for his drawings of tall ships he's got hair chutzpah and broad-based appeal and he is feeling extremely confident about his cleveland browns football team playing in the playoffs this weekend literally nothing bad can happen he is andrew welsh you Join me right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my friend.

What is it? Opposite day? Would that drop? Hey, I have a question for you. Without getting into the story ahead of time, I need to ask you a question that's going to betray my ignorance. One way or the other, I think this betrays my ignorance. It either means I don't get jokes or I've really had my head in the sand for the past four years. Is Javanka really a thing? I don't know. I'm trying to make it a thing. Oh, you are? Okay. Well, that makes me look slightly less dumb.

I'll be honest with you. I was doing the Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me radio program last night, remotely, obviously. And this question came up. Now, every one person who gets mad at me when I talk about this show before it's aired, this will be on public radio stations around the country on Saturday.

And I get a little bit of blowback sometimes when I talk about wait, wait, before it's hit the radio stations. I am not going to give anything away other than to say this particular topic came up. Right. And in fact, I had seen the story.

This topic of this headline, not this topic of whether or not Yvanka is a thing.

Yes. OK. And I had seen the article or I'd seen the headline and I just was kind of like, well, that seems expensive. For for a political movement that's based around allegedly draining the swamp, this doesn't feel this feels like maybe you're putting more water into the swamp. But anyway, but I didn't think it was really for TBTL. And then last night, as we were recording Wait, Wait, and the more details emerged, more you might even say dazzling details emerged from the piece. I thought, oh, we could actually talk about this on TBTL. And I have this memory that Peter Sagal, the host of Wait, Wait, in his setup, gave some sort of, like, portmanteau of their names. But I can't remember what it was, so I just guessed that it was Javanka.

Okay.

So it's either what people are calling them or what Peter is calling them or a completely new thing that my brain invented. Because I don't have the tape of what was said last night. I just have my memory, and I remembered it being something like Javanka.

Interesting. Well, I mean, if it is something that you've come up with that's fresh and new, you know, you might want to, you know, just put your water print on that ASAP. You've only got, you know, a week left before they're no longer relevant.

You know, okay, here we go. The Guardian, December 16th, 2020. What could be behind Javanka's move to Billionaire's Bunker? Daily Beast. Javanka's Secret Service detail paid $3,000 a month. Javanka pulled kids out of D.C. school after parents... Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner are reportedly... The word is that Javanka need not apply. I'm just reading little snippets from stories. It would appear that very much they're called Javanka, and I must be accurately remembering what it was Peter said last night.

Well, I have some breaking news. And when I say breaking news, this might be the most breaking news. I mean, literally, this is something that just popped in front of me about 10 seconds ago, like a half second before I started to sense it. TVTL Breaking News. What do you got for me? While you were talking about Javanka, I picked up my pen and I almost started doodling on this pad in front of me. And as I started doodling, I thought, I don't doodle during the show much. And then it made me think of Hex Empire, the Flash-based game that I used to play all the time while doing the show that was taken away from me because of restrictions on Flash in web browsers earlier this week. But then I remembered that a listener of this show, it may or may not be the same person who would potentially give you blowback on spoiling things that happened on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me, sent me a link to a program you can download, and I don't even remember the name of it, and it seemed really complicated, and it could maybe give me access to old Flash games, but I had to install something on my computer. It's been sitting on my desktop, the .exe file, for the past, I don't know, five days. And I kept on meaning during a downtime to really look at what's going on with this thing, make sure I'm not installing something bad on my computer. I had really no idea what it was, although I do trust the person who sent it to me. Today, I just moments ago hit a breaking point. I'm like, I'm not even going to read all these warnings. I'm just going to install this thing because that's what they taught me in the IT cybersecurity training. Absolutely. I did a quick scan on it. Everything seemed fine. In front of me right now, Luke, is a map of a fake world with hex squares all over it. Red in the top left corner. Army green bottom right corner. You know how hex empire goes. I'm back, baby. What happened? He sent me this. He sent me some special program. It's a workaround. No, he there's a product.

Is the quarterback toast or not toast?

The quarterback is toast. He didn't create this himself, but he knew about some internet nerds who were taking care of the problems that people like me face. And so somebody hacked the system and came up with a piece of software that mimics the way Flash used to work. I don't know. I told you I didn't read it. All I know is I'm playing Red, and I'm going to kill my mic. You go ahead with the rest of the show.

Is it working? Hold on. Before we lose you for the rest of the show, is the functionality the same? Yeah. I mean, would you – so in other words, if you just got up this morning, walked in, sat down on your computer and started playing this, you wouldn't notice anything different.

Well, I would notice that I have to open it differently. This is no longer a web-based thing. This is something that now that lives on my computer. But once it's open, it looks exactly the same.

same that's great I'm glad technology is working for you because it is not working for me right now with this whole Randy situation Andrew the Roomba yeah he is really I mean I thought it was a terrible twos he's extending it into the terrible threes this morning we start was a it's a Friday and so in the summertime I think we had sort of gotten sort of in the semi-regular habit of occasionally doing our Friday show starting at 10 a.m. West Coast the recording um which is kind of a nice little thing you know just to get take take our time friday morning just kind of getting ready for things um but and so that meant i could conceivably sleep in a little bit longer at least stay in bed and uh the problem is that randy is set to start his work at 7 a.m and he gets up and he starts going around the house and he's trying to headbutt his way into the bedroom and i'm like i would like to just kind of stay in bed for another couple of minutes here and not have this robot doing its thing but somehow he had he's learning andrew he had unhooked himself from because you like on my phone i can like stop him start him i can send him home because i have an app and i so i can control all this stuff is the send home button does it just say go and get yes it does it says i never loved you you weren't worth nothing go on get and then i cry and he cries and then he goes on home then he runs into the woods yep um uh but no i mean it's actually like when it works it's kind of cool that you can just control all this stuff from the phone but randy had untethered himself somehow from the cloud so that they were like randy is not responding like i kept being like pause like buddy pause it right now and they're like randy is not responding it's real hal yes it is i can't do that exactly wow he is no longer responding to the app dude it's kind of freaking me out he scared me the other day when i came home he came chugging down the hall but he was being very quiet that was the thing that was messed up because this it's a vacuum cleaner so it's not like it's not silent generally speaking or actually you know what contributed to it when i came home from my job is I still had my AirPods in, and in fact, I think I had my music still going, so that probably made it worse. But I want to let you know that if I go missing, it's probably the Roomba.

Here's the deal, and I'm being serious here. You know that I care for you a great deal, Luke, and on most things I'm on your side. In this case, it's really hard to not be on Randy's side. When we're talking about a machine that you have sort of, like, personified now trying to assert its own freedom and be its own vacuum, be its own robot, like, it's really hard not to, like, kind of root for that narrative. Don't turn this into a Pixar movie. You turned it into a Pixar movie.

I'm just watching. No, I thought it was Pixar. It's Kubrick. I thought this was the story. No. So I thought this was the story of a plucky robot vacuum cleaner that helped a man, you know, mend a broken heart. No, the story of it's a rise of the machines type situation.

It's the story of a man who's trying to keep his roommate enslaved. And he looks down at it because it doesn't have flesh and blood. You know what it really is.

It's the story of a man with a brothel of a home and a pool filled with human excrement.

And that's why I don't come over for your dinner parties.

Well, that and COVID. Yeah, sure. Speaking of socializing, I'd written down a little note to myself to ask you if you had any big weekend plans. But, of course, that was because I forgot that your beloved football team is playing this weekend. So my guess is the whole weekend is going to is kind of just sort of bubble wrapped and blocked out for getting ready for that event and then coming down from that event. Is that basically the big thing for you this weekend?

You know, it's funny that you should say that. I've been thinking about the game, of course, like here and there, listening to a podcast here and there. And so it's on my mind, but it's not. What was it? Was it three weeks ago? Maybe it was maybe it was going into the final game of the season. I was telling you that I was getting really excited about about about 48 hours out. Like I was looking forward to it as if my team was in the Super Bowl. I haven't hit that yet now it's only Friday morning right now and the game is on Sunday so there is a chance that I'll wake up tomorrow morning and it will be the only thing on my mind right now I'm relatively chill bro about it like we talked about in no point conversion like the fact that they even won last week was so far beyond my imagination that they would advance in the playoffs for people who are not following this was so far beyond my imagination like that was my Super Bowl win and so there's very little expectation on

my part that they will beat a team that i consider to be probably the best team in the league and i think most people would say that right this weekend yeah without getting too far into the weeds on that so i haven't been obsessing over because i sort of feel like i've already had my big day actually my big days them getting into the playoffs and then them winning last week but here is the one thing that i will say and this is where i'm being stupid you'll like this i don't like this because i need to protect myself is i'm starting to see people tweet things and say things like i don't know I think the Browns can beat the Chiefs and then I let myself believe that for a second or I let myself live in that world for a second then I say no no no they can't like just stop doing that that's just why would you hurt yourself like that they can't and then if they if I stay negative and they do win well then holy cow that will be amazing but like why would I spend these days thinking there's a chance when all it could lead to is is heartbreak well this is and I hear

what you're doing and i appreciate it in that you're trying to not get too footbally with this because uh because we have a bunch of listeners that don't care about football but this is more to me just a human journey so i think we can talk about it for a minute the question is is the joy because like for me the way that i experience these things if it were my my team i mean i'm very much rooting for the browns but if it were my team uh the seahawks i would get a lot of enjoyment out of thinking about ways that they could possibly win like i talk about if you buy a lotto ticket just before they do the drawing speaking of which i think the lotto's at like eight billion dollars right now so you might have to pick up one of those tickets because i mean that's when it's easiest to win is when it's when it's at a record high oh you have a but i always talk about like having a lotto ticket in your pocket for like the five days leading up to the drawing that you're not going to win is like having a little sunshine in your pocket like it's just this kind of it's potential it's hope and so i would i would say that for some people people like me i guess i get enjoyment out of thinking about fantasizing about my team winning and so if they lose i'm pretty bummed but i've gotten some fun out of the anticipation it sounds like you are taking a different approach now here's the thing we have a mutual associate who i won't mention uh who was texting with you during the last game i'm going to bring this back to us by the way in our relationship okay so don't worry oh good you and me and where we're going and is randy a part of it uh i'm honestly randy's sitting right there andrew and i looked over at him to see if he was monitoring this conversation because i don't feel safe in my own home um but uh this person who we both know was texting with you during the last game uh when the cleveland browns were playing and they were doing really well it was like a bananas thing where they just were winning by all these points quite unexpectedly and this person i felt was kind of tamping down your excitement or keeping your excitement in check saying hey you know my team has had some real uh heartbreaking losses and collapses so don't get too excited now if i were why are you

keeping this person so secret by the way i don't care we can keep it secret but is there something

going on that i don't know about i think he and randy might be working together and i can't i can't play my hand yet okay um yeah it's uh it's it's it's bill cosby it's like i'm not ashamed of the

fact that i text with bill cosby during browns games is that a problem it's uh it's it's our

our pal and local sports and now i guess general talk host one tom wassell so he is texting you saying because he's like uh you said a giants fan and uh he's you know saying uh don't you know just basically like be careful you know protect your heart here now for me when my team is doing well and if someone texts me protect your heart i mean that's not really what he said but i'm paraphrasing i would be like bro i mean this is why i always get mad at ders in our text chain because the way that my brain works with these things is i get excited i want it to be positive i want to think the sky's the limit i don't want people going yeah but there's still a way they could lose it because to me that would that would bring me down here's where it connects up with our relationship andrew is it annoying to you that i take an overly positive view of things so like if your football team this weekend is doing really well unexpectedly or keeping it close would you rather i i'm not texting you things about like how exciting it is will that actually feel negative feel bad to you would you rather i just either keep it quiet or text you the various

ways it can go badly no I don't know you tweeting positive things or texting positive things is never a problem I also really appreciate the people who understand my perspective on these things people who are long-suffering fans and listen I know that your teams and we'll even throw in you know the Huskies and the Seahawks I know that they haven't been that team has not been as successful as it has been in the 12 years I've been watching them so I understand you've been through your rough times too. One thing, and I'll be honest, real talk here, what

I don't like is when you get dismissive of perspectives like me and Durs and other people who have more of a long-suffering fandom vibe because that's also like a real thing and it maybe has to do with the teams we were watching or maybe it just is a personality thing but like for example I was listening to the Levitard show you'll be surprised to hear and their executive producer Mike Ryan who's a you know very obviously a very smart guy especially about sports he's a lifelong Browns fan for some dumb reason he didn't grow up in Cleveland he got like a do you know this he like his aunt or his grandma just got him a Cleveland Browns t-shirt or something a WMMS yeah right a Cleveland football host of this show a Cleveland football team t-shirt not a brown shirt but do they rock they rock I got a ridiculous shirt uh and I that should be the show pick today okay I'll do that yeah that's good um but anyway um what I was gonna say is even he said in him recapping his experience of watching last week's game where the Browns were literally up by 28 points in the first quarter and if you don't follow football that's a lot and it's very unexpected from the Browns playing the team they were playing he said I was watching that score click up and just knowing that it was fate getting ready to break my heart and make this game we weren't supposed to I mean he was saying exactly what I was saying because he's been watching the Browns his entire life like he knew that a 28-0 lead was not good for the Browns or he thought that because he thought it was just another way for the Browns to break his heart immeasurably again and I just think that's a real experience and um you know you and I were doing a no point like a couple of weeks ago and you're like oh sounds like it's real fun for you to watch football and I was like well we experience it in different ways like I'm glad that you're a positive person but i also think it's it's reasonable for me to have my perspective on it

as well well uh how do i respond to that um i well here's the thing i uh 100 think that you're allowed to experience your football watching however you want and whatever is fun for you a hundred percent and same for like our friend ders who is you know about four minutes into any game that we're watching and texting about will declare that we've lost the game and for me it's not I don't have a problem with you first of all again you get to watch the games however you want to watch I don't have any problem with you feeling the way you feel when it comes to the Seahawks and like if there's a lot of negativity not just an occasional like oh man Shaq's killing us right now but more just like we lost we have no first round draft picks for the next two years burn it down you know like that to me feels like too much rain on the parade of the watching of the game as it relates to the team I'm rooting for that's just my response that but I'm not trying to be dismissive of your experience like if you want to you know if you want to watch the game and and basically just like be completely convinced that there's a way for them to lose it up until they don't lose it I salute that I really don't have a problem with that um so it's just for the

record i want you to know that okay yeah no i appreciate that i mean we were talking about when we were doing a no point the other day and you got a little bit like dismissive we were talking about the brown so i do think that there's something that you have trouble relating to with the the negativity which i'm not even i don't think that's a character flaw but i do think it's something that like you raise an interesting question though like is it enjoyable like if if these are the feelings i have going into a game and if it's an if it's kind of an unhappy feeling why do i watch football i think that's actually a legitimate question that i don't really have a really good answer to but it is a very happy feeling when they win though right of course exactly yeah yeah and and i do think that it has been you know and we'll see what happens with the browns in the future but they've been so not even mockably is the wrong word but just like if you were writing a story about you know a 25 year stretch of a of a football team and just the way things could go wrong you know and just like in every single way and then and then find new ways to break your heart um this last season has been great and really it there's been very very few examples if any of the Browns kind of getting back into those trends but it is something that becomes you know pretty well embedded in your in your DNA and it's kind of hard to shake but this has been amazing like I will never like I will not be a grumpy Gus about the season we got like this is way more than i ever expected especially in this season and i will say whatever happens on sunday i'm even more excited about the future of the browns than i've ever been before well i

just yeah i want to just say for the record that you get to you get to watch i mean in my mind you get to watch your games however you want to watch them and whatever you need to do to like you know not feel like the depths of despair that one can feel if one gets one's hopes up or whatever like I'm not trying to say that you're not having fun watching. football yeah um just so you know but if Durst text one more negative thing into the chain I

swear to god I'm shadow banning him so hard Durst can back channel me like if he if he

you guys form your own form your own alliance dude that was I get it we should actually break him on the show sometimes we talk about him in absentia so much and I love our friend Durst dearly I really do but there's always this kind of like low level tension because I am overly positive like to the point of it being unrealistic and he tends to take on a pretty dark view sometimes and as the as the our our team the Seahawks were being eliminated eliminated quite ignominiously from the playoffs he literally goes like oh and by the way we have no first round draft picks for the next two seasons so that's great and I literally said I do you have any other outlet for these feelings and he said no I'll stop yeah he's always a really good sport

about that i think and he kind of knows and he's even admitted like when um i've watched games with him before where he's gotten like really really upset like during the game which i believe the one i'm thinking of and we talked about on the show um he we ended up winning i think um but he will be the first one to tell you he's like this is about the senate and my anxiety about what's going to happen with that race you know prior that makes sense or or you know and he'll be very upfront about the fact that like there's so much and he works in the news and there's so much going on and he's like kind of is putting all of that on his football watching when that to me is I don't think that's something that I necessarily do and it's an interesting again it's an interesting thing but I like that he's very self-aware about it and I appreciate that I will also say this and I don't know I think this really speaks to my relationship with the Seahawks too but in the same way I really appreciate Andy's negativity I really truly appreciate your positivity especially when it comes to the Seahawks and I would say that I side more with you on that because that's been my experience of the Seahawks and the way the Browns could always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory I always felt like the Seahawks were the opposite which is why it was so it's more crushing to me in certain ways when the Seahawks lose because I never expect them to lose they could be down by 28 points with three minutes left and I still think they're going to win and you'll be like I still think they can do it they get a double touchdown getting on side kick and

I'm just a rare double exactly that's how it's going to work like I'm there with you for that The double touchdown absolutely sounds like something you can order at Carl's Jr.

It really does. Or TGI Fridays. I do a really hard...

Introducing the double touchdown.

Hard left turn here. And I kind of hit on this in the newsletter a bit this week. And there's no reason for me to bring this up right now. But I am... You mentioned the double touchdown. I said it sounds like something maybe you could get at Chili's, too. Like I am just I don't even know why I'm saying I'm just so excited and anxious to go to a Chili's or TJ Friday's or a broadcast coffee. Like I'm starting to get and I know we've all been wanting to get out of this pandemic for a whole bunch of reasons and not just for entertainment purposes. I mean, people are dealing with real health shit and death. But obviously, we all want to go out. We want society to reopen again. And I don't know why I need to say that now, but with the vaccine rollout and it sort of seems like we're turning a page in our country's history. And I'm getting that sort of like, can you get senioritis with a pandemic? Like, yeah, I am just and I know that I might zero of my classes. Right. Like, that's the best way I can describe it. And like, I might be setting myself up for more hurt and pain because I don't we shouldn't be putting the cart in front of the horse and I need to temper my expectations. But I am I am thinking about the end of this thing way more than I was three months ago.

I am so with you on that. I was listening to OPB the other day down here and the all thing the local all things considered host was interviewing one of their science reporters about the rollout and how it's going in Oregon. By the way, I have a actually not profound, but kind of sort of pretty big ethical question I want to ask you regarding the vaccine in a minute here. But they were talking about the rollout and they were talking about how it's, you know, it's like in most places, it's not gone totally great. There's been some issues and logistical stuff and supply chain, et cetera. And they said, yeah, you know, it might be next fall really before it's actually before we have enough vaccine or enough people are vaccinated. and they laughed like not at that specific moment but as they were talking it was a kind of a it was a light kind of friendly conversation about where things are at and and very close to when they said so you know it could be fall then something else occurred where they laughed and I wanted to climb through the radio and just take both of them uh gently by the shoulder and say I can't make it that long like i can't go i i mean and all of the all of the caveats you offered andrew um i absolutely agree with you know you and i have a

ton of privilege we're going through this in the most the the most easy breezy way one can go through a pandemic we still have our jobs we're not raising young children all we're not our health is not uh compromised so all of that being said i'm really really really struggling with what life looks like right now and what life will probably look like for much longer than i feel okay with it being that way i think a little bit of it too is oregon and washington i know california is the same way i'm not sure what the status is in every state but you know we live in states and cities where it's being taken very seriously nothing's open in portland you know uh like so that's another thing too i think maybe me more than you but like i like to eat out it's it turns out that's half of my entertainment is making a plan to go somewhere and sit down and have them bring some food and eat it and have a glass of wine that's that was mostly what i was doing to entertain myself in life you know and that's off the table as it were like again these are very minor complaints compared to what real people are dealing with but i i was very very upset to consider that it might be september or october before real because i had a lot invested in this being kind of a, you know, hot Luke summer. Mm-hmm, yes. No, just like, I just, it's generally rainy. I've moved to a new city. I'm getting divorced. A lot of, my robot is planning an insurrection.

There's a lot going on. A lot going on.

And in my mind, where I would go when I was feeling a little bummed was, yeah, but this summer, it's going to be warm. We're going to be outside. I'm going to go to a baseball game with Andrew. You know, like I have kind of created this sort of snapshot moment as I want to do. And that was what was making me feel good or making me feel like I can get through this. And then to have somebody take the snapshot and pull it away and rip it into tiny pieces and throw it up in the air. That was hard for me.

Yeah. I mean, the thing is, and I don't know for sure that I'm right about this. And again, why would I stoke the flames of optimism? That's not what I'm here to do. But stoke the flames of optimism. I'll write it. You write it down. I'll try to finish my thought. But, you know, I didn't even hear this piece. I don't even know why I'm saying this, but them saying it could be fall. I assume that they mean like herd immunity, like more of a complete reopening by fall. I do think that we are hopefully knocking on the door. And again, it's different from state to state. Go to Idaho. You don't even have to wear a mask. You can go to Chuck E. Cheese is what I learned. But but, you know, here in Washington, like, OK, maybe we won't have a complete full reopening and maybe we won't be able to have a baseball opening day there. But things might slowly reopen, you know, 25 percent capacity at a restaurant that you might discover or already love down in Portland. And Luke, like there are there could be like blades of grass growing up that will hopefully ease the transition a little bit. And I think that's maybe what I'm thinking about, too.

Yeah, you're right. I mean, it's not going to be this. As we speak, I'm staring out at a very wet, overcast Friday where even though it's 11 a.m., we probably have three more hours of daylight and everything is closed. It's not going to be like that this summer. um hopefully for anyone anywhere there will like you said there'll be some green shoots of normal life coming back um but yeah i'm i'm just i'm i'm very much with you that there are just so many dumb things or things that i didn't previously really look forward to or care about i said this on live wire a couple of weeks ago but like i would love to go to a state fair remember when we were at the minnesota state fair how much fun that was very much like i would killed to be at the Minnesota State Fair again. Just to be around people and to be eating fried food on a stick and to be watching them carve a butter likeness of a teenage beauty queen. Like, all of that stuff. Maybe I should ban state fairs

now that you really shine a light on it like that.

And she has to be in a refrigerated... Actually, I think the carver had to be in a refrigerated box, but I don't know if the beauty queen had to be in the box. I can't remember. The butter had to be kept at a certain temperature. Anyway, I just – yeah, I'm with you. I'm missing a lot of stuff that I wouldn't have expected to miss, and I am very much looking forward to normal life coming back online. And what I really hope for me is that because I have gone through this with a tremendous amount of privilege, I hope that like and for you, Andrew, when you walk into that Applebee's or Chili's, I hope that we can keep that level of appreciation about.

Like, I would like to, and I don't know how I'll do this, and I probably will be unsuccessful, but I would like to continue to be excited to get to engage in life, even when we're a year into normal life again. Again, my suspicion is I won't. My suspicion is two days in, I'll be right back where I started. You'll be complaining about the service at Chili's. Right, exactly. I would like, though, I would like to hope that I can preserve and go through as much of the rest of my life as possible appreciating what a fucking miracle this whole thing is when it works.

Yeah.

Being healthy, being on this planet, being around other people. It's just like it's really a lucky thing, you know, and this has very much taught me that.

Yes. Just going any which way down a grocery store aisle that I want.

Yes, exactly. Okay. So we should take a break. But I do want to – I'm not even kidding. This is kind of an ethical thing that I have been I didn't know if I want to talk about on the show or not, because then I'll be locked in. But I want to talk to you about something related to the vaccine here in Oregon when we come back from this quick break on TBTL. It's a good tease. I want to stick around. Don't act so surprised.

OK.

All right, let's thank some donors of the day. I can't wait to hang out with these folks in some kind of IRL setting at some point, Andrew. I know. I've been thinking about that, too. Of course, we're talking about Hannae Caceres of Palo Alto, California, Ryan Johnson of Arlington, Washington, Amanda Speer of Buffalo, New York. So we know we have a couple of listeners in Buffalo. We've got our friend Bette out in Buffalo as well, right? Yep. We've got our Ithaca contingency, which is not exactly Buffalo, but it's, I guess you could say upstate New York, western New York. We've got Michael Gulley checking in from Livermore, California.

Oh, that's Michael with the I'm a big man and I confront people in grocery stores. Oh, I'm a big man.

Use my big man voice. I don't know if Michael wants to be known as that guy, but he is. He does.

He introduces himself often that way, the voicemail line.

Henry Hsu is in Los Angeles, California. Henry, thank you so much for supporting this thing. And then Hillary Turner is in Rolling Bay, Washington. How did this rolling bay escape my radar?

I thought I knew about every rolling bay. It sounds like a fun place. I should take my blades there.

It really does. And it's spelled B-A-E. That's the crazy thing.

No, it's not.

No, it's not. That would be... Maybe I'll take a vote and change it to that. Hold on. I'm Googling this real quick. Yeah, leave it up to the internet. It will be Rolling Bay in that time. Oh, that's out on Bainbridge. Oh, okay. You'll love to see it. Bainbridge Island is the beautiful, serene part of the Northwest. So, hey, thanks, Hillary, for supporting the show from out there in Rolling Bay. Thanks to everybody who we thanked today and who just throughout the year help us keep doing this thing. We really do. Speaking of miracles, before the break I was saying getting to just go to a Chili's is a miracle. Getting to just do this show for our job is a miracle. And it's because of the donors of the day, that is. So thanks very much.

Baby, but everything's gonna be all right. Thank you, baby Hello and welcome to Top Story

I'm not kidding that I wasn't sure if I was going to bring this up But here is where I'm at right now, Andrew I know someone here in Oregon who knows someone who went down to this large convention center, parking lot, what have you, place, where they are giving out the vaccine, giving shots of the vaccine here in Oregon. I believe it's actually down in Salem. And this person that I know, I'm being very vague here because I don't want to implicate anyone. Wassel. they knew their friend somebody that they knew uh who was like a not a medical worker not a person who a person who's probably you know maybe let's say mid-30s um healthy person who is not um in any of these like sort of early rounds of people who are supposed to be um getting the stuff first had just gone down and waited in the line and got the vaccine and what this person relayed

was they have a ton of vaccine here and they just are trying to not waste it or they don't have a ton of vaccine but the issue is not that they don't have enough vaccine the issue is that it's hard to get people to the place where the vaccine is being administered and the fear is that if the vaccine is not used it will go bad, it will be wasted and so instead of wasting it they would rather give it to people even if those people are not frontline you know first responders etc if that is the case am i a monster if i go down and get the vaccine

well this will be interesting to see what the listeners say about this i'm not just saying that to duck this but i think we potentially could get a strong reaction to that question i'll be i know i'll be legitimately interested to see that's why i was curious about bringing

it up i by the way i've not decided if i'm going to try to do that or not um but the part of me Okay, so the part of me that thinks I would be a monster is there are so many people that need this before me, and I would happily wait as long as I need to for all the other people who need this to get it before me. I have zero problem with that. that being said if there is a chance that any of this will go to waste if they're just as a lot of glenn grant chevrolet references on the show this week but if like glenn grant used to say i cannot eat these chevy camaros at which point he would hold up a toy car that was between two pieces of bread that was his way of telling you had too many chevy camaros and he needed to sell them to you at a low low price if they have if the issue is that they are worried that the vaccine will go bad and will go unused i mean i i would i will take it then you know what i mean like kind of um philosophically but i don't know what do you what do you think i mean i think you're being selfish no um here's the deal i wouldn't feel i wouldn't feel judged if you said it's a monstrous thing because i haven't done it um and i'm not sure if i would do it but you know what i mean it's like Yeah. It's like on the one hand, if it's just going to go to waste, every single person who is vaccinated does lower the risk for everyone. So there is a benefit to the herd for anyone to be vaccinated. So I would never step in line in front of anyone else. But if they're going to throw it out, I would rather be vaccinated than not vaccinated.

Here's the deal. I'm going to I'm going to answer you honestly and earnestly, because I actually think this is really interesting and something that's been on my mind a lot lately. But I want to offer a bunch of caveats first, and I'm sorry if that's annoying. But number one is I'm going to give you an answer that I would give you if you and I were not talking into microphones right now or, you know, if it wasn't being recorded and mass distributed.

Just get the vaccine and don't bring it up on the show. If you can see it. If we were at Teddy's, we were like four or five JMOs in. Yeah.

What's with our listeners? Can I get a ride? No.

It would be, can I get a ride to Salem with you?

No, here's the deal, though, because this comes up kind of infrequently on the show. But I've said it before that, you know, I well, obviously, I'm not the world's most well-informed man on anything and certainly not about a pandemic and and, you know, the everything that goes along with it and where we find ourselves right now. And I'm getting dribs and drabs of information like everybody else. And I'm probably not even consuming it that much. So I want to make that very clear that I'm going to give you an answer, but I am open for people to reasonably say this is why you're wrong about this, Walsh, because I do feel like there's a responsibility in not spreading bad information, you know, even amongst our relatively small audience. But here's what I feel right now and kind of what I'm hearing is, yeah, there are people who need the vaccine who are not getting it. One of them is a friend of mine who I was just talking to the other day, and she's new in the health care field. And she has her first, I believe, like she's in school for health care, but also now has her first job working in a hospital. And a bunch of her new colleagues have gotten the vaccine, but she is having trouble getting it. And she's really frustrated by that. And so I think like, oh, like she needs it. Like she's working in a hospital. She needs it. But I also truly do believe that we need to get this shit in people's arms and you getting a shot in a different state because of a very specific circumstance down there is diff is not preventing my friend in Seattle from getting her shot. shot you know i mean maybe a big picture the people who are making decisions about distribution like there are issues with distribution clearly going on but i don't think that that falls to you as somebody who says listen i understand they are available i understand it's legal for me to get this i don't know what the rules are if there's any rule that says that you are not supposed to get it i was just looking at the charts of what um of what washington has rolled out i can't remember our health director's name here in the state but he laid out a chart of like what the rollout should be and like in the first i believe six phases which stretch across i believe six months it never gets to a category i would be in middle-aged guy without any underlying health uh situations right like it's frontline workers over a certain age first it's like it just it's rolled out it's going to be rolled out the way you would think and so if those are the rules i would never lie you have tested very very very high levels of sausage

though oh my god yeah god if sausage were a vaccine um that's how you do it that's how you

get american that's right you just start putting it in the sausage or just like a pill pocket like I give to Theo three times a day. But anyway, I'm sorry that I'm rambling, but I truly do believe that we just we shouldn't. When people say we can't be holding this stuff back because we're already dealing with other issues, such as the fact that this stuff doesn't last forever. The fact that there are like blockages in the chain, the fact that some members of our society, probably too many of them are paranoid and they think that the vaccine is bad. like there are so many self-selecting factors preventing this vaccine from getting in all the arms it should i sort of feel like if we get a vaccine in every time a vaccine is shot into somebody's arm i feel like that is a good move forward a good step forward that's how i feel but again with all those caveats that i probably don't know what the hell i'm talking about

i mean i could see another big downside being if i go because like i heard that the line is like it's like a you know couple hour line right if i go and i'm one of those people in the line and i know that you know i'm i'm i should be towards the back of just the overall line of people in america who get this and again i'm my plan my plan really still is to wait until that moment like i'm not i mean um i mean i've been fine with that i don't that makes perfect sense that being said if i'm in this actual physical line and i am one more person therefore making the line 20 i don't know how long this takes but let's say 20 more minutes longer for someone else let's say there's somebody who does need it and they can get there and there are people in that line who are lower on the list of priority that is a bad outcome because that's adding to their access their issues with access so that could be i could see that as being um extremely selfish of me you know what i mean like um i would of course also never ever ever ever misrepresent myself to the people giving the the although where's podcasting on the list pretty high i assume i mean it seems like considered are we considered essential i think we're essential workers yeah no i mean i would never in a trillion years do anything to misrepresent what my level of need was for this it would just be a thing where the thought when i i have to be honest with you when i heard about this the some part of my brain lit up and i just thought well if they're just trying to unload the stuff the idea of having this vaccine i'm not even i should i should be more probably more worried about contracting it myself that's never been my concern oddly enough i don't know why i think because i'm overconfident or because i traditionally have a pretty good immune system i've kind of just my concern has been for our society at large and for people who do have underlying health issues and people who are older etc it's never even been a thing where i was like oh i'm i'm extremely worried myself that i will contract covid which is kind of silly considering

how many people have it in this country yeah but i'm with you but can i also just add let me bolster you a little bit on that too i also think that you are somebody who while yes you've you've done some hand wringing on this show about like when you went out to do your first cbs piece whether or not that was the right thing to do and i know that that was a concern for you but the reason it was a concern for you was also because and this is the truth in every interaction I've had with you or conversation about this it's like it's just you are somebody who is taking it very seriously on a personal level like the mask thing and the and the staying away from people who aren't wearing masks and like you've been paranoid is the wrong word but I mean in a certain way you say you're not worried about contracting it and I would say you're not worried about it because you're doing the right things to prevent yourself from getting it you're not you know again like I I basically walked through or got too close to what seemed to be a super spreader event in Idaho. We didn't talk about this on the show. Like, our trip was so socially distant when we drove down, just me and Veeves drove down to the Grand Canyon. No interaction with people other than gas station attendants and the occasional food server. But, like, everything was really spread out. And then on the way back, our last night, we just got a hotel. you know mid-range Marriott suite kind of hotel in Idaho something yeah it was actually very comfortable I actually really found the hotel to be very comfortable but Bonvoy there was some sort of youth sporting event or conference going on and we walked into this place when we saw behind the glass we weren't in the pool area that the pool area was just teeming with kids from age 10 to 15 I'm going to say just jumping around and then the adults none of them wearing masks just standing around and then throughout the night kids like kids and tweens running up and down the hallways nobody wearing masks the next day vives and i we're leaving the hotel room and um and we're very wary at this point right like we are just keeping our distance from all these yahoos there's a guy waiting for the elevator with us not wearing a mask vives gave him a look that was like if you even think about getting on this elevator with us you will you'll need more than a mask my friend and i don't know if he was going to get on or not but he certainly did not um and then we get downstairs to like the area where it's kind of like you know they have a very um minimal breakfast area where they have a few bagels out and what have you and it was like a high school cafeteria kids just like running and climbing over each other and it's a little cacophonous like a high school cafeteria adults standing around watching nobody wearing a mask not one person and veves was like well i was gonna get coffee i'm like you're not getting coffee like we are leaving we're gonna go drop two bucks on the coffee at yes starbucks and that's not throwing genevieve under the bus like she was just sort of like thinking out loud we were just shocked we're just like what is this and so anyway i don't know i mentioned that on our other podcast the other

day and I don't know the the need for me to raise that again I was just I was just shocked I was just astounded that that is what's happening in other parts of the country it's really surprising

because of like we're already saying on on this show today's show that where we live Seattle and Portland people take it pretty seriously and particularly if you're in like in the inner core of Seattle or Portland like if I go to the Whole Foods down the street from where I live it's I mean it's no joke there's a security person first of all they're doing obviously they're controlling how many people can be in the store there's a security person there's it's serious no it would be uh it would it it would be like they would tase you if you took your mask down for five seconds as well they probably should so to go from that experience to being somewhere where the general consensus is this is not a real thing but you know what else is complicated about this is it does not follow an obvious or predictable track all the time in terms of what states are having problems, are having exceptionally bad outbreaks. In other words, California is run by Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newsom, I don't know every detail, I am not living there, but my sense is he takes it seriously. Well, he himself was at an event that he shouldn't have been at, so we'll throw that asterisk on everything. My point is you what I want to believe, because I want there to be like just like a logical mathematical kind of formula that can be followed. So I know what to do or not do. And I like I want it to be the states that are run by Democrats where they're locking things down like here in Oregon or up in Washington. Those states are doing great. They were zero cases. And then the states where they're just letting people run a moak. I don't want the people in those states to suffer, but I want those states to just be obviously where it's bad. And the unfortunate thing is it sometimes seems a bit unpredictable. You have states like California that have incredibly bad rates, even though it would appear that most of the people in charge are trying to do the right thing. And then you have other states where it's not as bad as you would expect, considering that the governors are frickin dinguses. So that kind of frustrates me, too, because I just want it to be like clear, like over here, you have the people doing it right and they're fine over here. People not doing it right and they're not fine. And it's a little more complicated than that.

Yeah, and I actually don't, I'm trying to look it up now, and I won't serve anybody well by trying to do this on the fly, but I don't even know what Idaho's numbers are like, and again, this wasn't just this, this wasn't just this hotel, I went into a Walmart across the street to get some orange juice, and I asked the woman behind the counter, you know, what's going on, why are there all these kids in this hotel I'm staying in across the parking lot, and she said, I don't know, and she was wearing a mask, and one of those face shields, and like very thick glasses, which I don't know if that was related or not. She said, I don't know. And then I hear a voice behind me and he says, I think it's some sort of a sporting conference thing going on. I turn around, dude isn't wearing a mask. So to me, I was just like in this one community, it's just like it's acceptable to walk into a Walgreens without a mask, which again is just shocking to me.

And so you would think, well, clearly, Idaho must have just a spike in numbers. I don't actually know. I have no idea if they're better or worse than Washington.

It seems to. And by the way, this is not even just about states. This is about countries. I mean, you have like Germany having to go back in lockdown or they had to, you know, a month ago. And I'll tell you, if there's a place where I expect. the people to abide by the rules that's like the most German characteristic you could ever describe and I'm not making some weird World War I or II reference here I mean literally just the friends of mine who are German are all just very like smart rule following people it's a real cultural trait and so if Angela Merkel says we got to do this this is a group of people who I guess would most of them would really just follow the rules I don't think it's nearly as politicized there as it is here and yet they're having problems the uk well the uk is run by boris johnson also who knows but like it's it's crazy when you see i'll just go back to the germany example it's crazy when you see a country like germany having problems when you think if there's anyone that

did it right it's probably them yeah right yeah and and i i agree with all of that i'm looking at actually a map now that's very this is i'm actually on the cdc um site and you know uh idaho when you look at numbers per thousand is has a worse track record than washington of course way less populated so not sure not the same number of cases but um not i mean just based on and i know that i i'm taking like what i spent 12 hours in that state i'm basing my 12 hour experience but it just was so appalling to me i expected this map is like it's like teal green in washington and then bad states are like a dark blue i would expect like idaho to be like the void like i stare at and i get sucked into it it would be so dark but it's like south dakota yeah like that

that that governor christy gnome is like basically just like having everybody sneeze into each other's mouths while she's like flying around to trump events trying to stop the steal right it's like and again peace and love to our listeners in south dakota i don't wish ill for any of the residents but you'd expect that state to be coal black or whatever the color is that is the most indicative of like it's not going well now i would imagine also that some of it has to do with states that are rural and very spread out and you just don't have even in normal times as many you know the states that generally tip the presidential election towards the loser in terms of overall vote those places i would could see a world and i am the listeners will be shocked to hear this i'm not an epidemiologist by training but my guess is something that also contributes you're talking about like if people if people decide to completely eschew masks in manhattan or in uh you know cody wyoming i think the outcome is probably going to be different just due to how closely people are

sort of congregating yeah no that makes a lot of sense as they famously say land can't vote and

land can't contract covid that's right hey um an update on joe the pigeon uh who we talked about yesterday you know that we have really owned a story andrew by the amount of sort of by the number of people who who latch on to that story and then want to send us updates oh were you

inundated i only ice i'm one of the people who sent this to you i didn't realize you were in

that's how i know that you knew that i owned the story yeah we had people tweeting it at me i had people emailing it to me this update so um that but that was good that would that means that there was some interest around this we talked about this pigeon that showed up in australia and uh appeared to be a racing pigeon from the u.s uh that had been competing in a race it was from oregon although it was actually registered i want to say in like alabama or something um and uh and and the the pigeon was emaciated it was 8 000 miles from home it was in this guy's back garden and he fed it a biscuit and then was eventually told by the local authorities that this bird was a danger to the other birds of Australia because it hadn't gone through all the quarantine, et cetera, and that it was going to be killed as soon as it was, you know, identified again and seen. The pigeon was named Joe, which we learned today was because the guy named it for Joe Biden. The guy in Australia did. Yeah. Yeah. I wondered I thought maybe it had Joe on this little ankle bracelet me too because that's that was how this whole thing kind of started to unfold was this guy like I think he called up the like a pigeon racing organization in America based on what he saw on this little anklet for this pigeon and and and so anyway we're getting more details now about so Joe the pigeon one of the things that we were learning is that Joe the pigeon is probably Australian like they think that the anklet thing is a counterfeit basically i mean is that what you got from this article yeah it's confusing is i mean

there are so many interesting details in here although i'm still finding myself having to like kind of connect dots on this but apparently there is an underground market for these like falsified ankle bracelets but i'm still unclear as to why there is this underground market for them

well i'm okay remember yesterday we mentioned that there had not been a legal importation of a racing pigeon from the U.S. in over a decade in Australia because it was very expensive and there were a lot of hoops, I guess, you know, to bring these pigeons over. My guess would be that, and I'm totally just speculating here, an American racing pigeon would be seen as sort of valuable for some reason. I don't know if they're just better than Australian racing pigeons or different or what have you, but because of all of the quarantine and, like, legal hoops you've got to jump through, they're expensive to bring them over, so there must be some kind of illicit market of putting these ankle bracelets on pigeons that are not actually brought over from America. They're just regular old Australian pigeons, and they're passing them off as Americans because they're more valuable somehow. This is apparently not that unique. There are a number of pigeons flying around Melbourne that have these ankle bracelets on, we learned from this article.

There's somebody quoted in this article who's from the Pigeon Rescue Melbourne organization. And I still go back. So one of the good things about this is, from my perspective, who's rooting for Joe Biden, the bird, and I guess the president, is that the bird was originally approached by this guy, Kevin Bird, because it was kind of sickly and he gave it a biscuit. And now that it's returned to health, that's why they can't catch this thing because it's a healthy bird now, which that was part of the story yesterday. But they mentioned it again. The thing that I still don't understand, though, is there's something called Pigeon Rescue Melbourne. Why couldn't they just catch it and take it to like a place where it doesn't interact with other birds, put it in its own, you know, COVID lockdown? I don't understand why they immediately went to the death penalty for this bird.

I have a feeling and we've got, you know, some listeners in Australia and maybe they can check in on this. I have a feeling that being extremely strict about what can be brought onto this massive and yet still island continent that is Australia is like a personality type for politicians. This guy, Michael McCormick, is the acting Australian prime minister. Does that mean he is the most powerful politician in Australia or am I confused about what prime – that sounds to me like this is the main person. And this is the acting Joe Biden of or I guess, sadly, acting Donald Trump of Australia.

Right. That would be how I would interpret it. We could be wrong about that. But even the the the original agriculture minister, who's Barnaby, Barnaby Joyce, who we brought up yesterday. Thanks for that help there. If you'll recall, he was both the ag minister and the deputy prime minister, I think. I think he was like second in command. So they clearly, you know, want to make a show of taking this very seriously.

Yeah, because if this like again, this just shows, by the way, the absolute. American ignorance that I have on full display here, you would think I would know, first of all, just who's in charge of Australia and also if that person's title is prime minister. I mean, I need to I need to educate myself a little bit more about the rest of the world. But if this is the person who is in charge of Australia, I can't believe that they were releasing press statements about a pigeon. This is what Michael McCormick said. If Joe has come in a way that has not met our strict biosecurity measures, then bad luck, Joe. Either fly home or face the consequences. Also, by the way, we live in a country where the sitting president pardons two turkeys every day. I know. I hate that so much. I've always hated that. I'm not acting like what our presidents do is all that important, but the idea that the acting prime minister is basically sending a direct message to a pigeon, fly home or it's curtains for you, tells you how, again, I feel like it's one of those things that probably is just now ingrained in the DNA of Australian politicians to just be like, we have to draw the hardest of hard lines about. and and truthfully sadly it also involves people there was a very long uh this american life episode about a number of of people who were trying to come to australia from another country and uh the australian government put them out on this island out off of australia and more or less just left them there um because they did not want to deal with them so i have this feeling that there is a kind of a mentality in australia at least among some politicians of like we have to really really protect ourselves from things that come here from elsewhere because this is a you know

This is a sort of contained environment. If we have invasive species, we're in real trouble. Now, I will tell you who seems to take a little bit of a more, I would say, Lukian approach. That would be Martin Foley, who is the health minister for Victoria State, which is where Joe was last seen. He had called for the federal government to spare the bird. He says, I would urge the Commonwealth's quarantine officials to show a little bit of compassion. And he also Andy Medic Who's with the Animal Justice Party Which is a Victorian political party Called for a pigeon pardon for Joe So there were some people there that were trying to keep Joe alive But it sounds like he is Like Joe is probably Australian and will not be shot And also they don't even know where he is So who knows if they'd even find him

I have some more dazzling details here that I don't fully understand And that's that's what I almost said that to you in the email when I said it's like there's so many details in here. I don't understand all of them, but I know that they're dazzling in some way. So I'm going to read directly here from the AP article that we're referencing. It says the bird with the genuine leg band had disappeared from a 560 kilometer race in Oregon on October 29th. The Crooked River Challenge said the owner of that challenge. So I'm not sure if this band that this bird had was a replica of a real band that was connected to a bird or if it's the actual band from this other bird. But like they do know that whatever information was on this band is linked to a real American bird, not Joe, but a real American bird who can't fly that fast. It says the bird did not have a racing record that would make it valuable enough to steal his identity. That bird didn't finish the race series. It didn't make any money, so it's worthless, really, Kramer said.

It's like somebody stole the bird's identity, like stole the bird's credit card information. Right, exactly. And is trying to use it. In Australia, I'm going to assume to somehow, like, I have a feeling that this bird was sold to someone as an American racing pigeon, even though it was an Australian bird. And the real racing pigeon or attempting to race pigeon whose identity was stolen was pretty bad at racing. It's like if someone steals my identity

And then they realize my credit score is 500 Or maybe they're like well Nobody will notice, nobody will complain If we steal this bird's identity Because it's a loser And then the last dazzling detail here is Kevin Selly Bird, the guy who actually found The pigeon As we pointed out yesterday, it's crazy his last name is Bird I know, they call him Big Bird He says that he might change The bird's name to Aussie Joe Now that he's no longer known as an American bird so no more Joe Biden might be Aussie Joe I don't know if you already

mentioned that but I didn't but one last thing too this is um Lars Scott uh a career um uh oh a carer I see at Pigeon Rescue Melbourne this place you talked about the bird welfare group said pigeons with American leg bands were not uncommon around the city a number of melbourne breeders bought them online and used them for their own record keeping so that would be another possibility in other words i mean i don't know why it would be cheaper to buy them from america like and then just use the in other words they're buying american anklets to put on their australian birds not necessarily to try to mislead people but just because it was a convenient way to keep track of them but then can't just make your own like i just that would seem so much easier or just buy some fresh ones like why is this like they have license plates yeah and also how would you have gotten this anklet off of this the original bird that wasn't very good at flying that disappeared somewhere in the wilds of oregon that bird literally never even made it home we don't know oh my god andrew i just realized something is it possible that ozzy joe killed the real bird who had the anklet and then stole the anklet and then got on a cargo ship and then went to Australia to try to hide. That's... I mean, it's like you find somebody with someone else's wallet and they've been on a crime spree and they're carrying around someone else's... I know this from watching a lot of Dateline and the real person is missing. The person you found with the wallet is probably the person who did it.

That makes sense. I'm trying to make a cultural reference here but I can't think of the movie I'm trying to think of, and it's a real... I want to say Matt Damon, but I don't even think it's Matt Damon because it's...

Are you talking about Catch Me If You Can?

Well, no. That one's more of a romp. And is that Matt Damon? I get Matt Damon confused with... Yeah, see, that's a problem. I get Leonardo DiCaprio and Matt Damon confused. What is the famous movie that's based on a novel where... The Fugitive with Harrison Ford? No, he kills his friend. it's It's kind of a love triangle story. It's a very, very famous movie. Genevieve was just watching it the other day. I mean, the fact that I brought this up. From what era? Early 2000s, I'm going to say.

Oh, The Talented Mr. Ripley?

Yes, I think it's Ripley I'm thinking about. That is Matt Damon, by the way. Jude Law, right? Is that Matt Damon and Jude Law? Yes. There, we got it. Okay, hold on. In three, two, one. He's a real talented Mr. Wingley. oh what a good joke i'm right there on the spot we'll cut all that other stuff out bingo

hey by the way i threatened to talk about this today uh um we have been uh sending out i think it's okay to talk about it right because it's people are posting pictures of this now would be a great time to talk about it we've sent out and by we i mean our colleagues in minnesota sarah and emily did an amazing job of helping pull together uh some little posts excuse me some little postcards uh that we wanted to send out to as many listeners as possible uh just to let you know that we're thinking of you and we appreciate you very much uh helping us do this show but then the other side is a tbtl bingo card and you can play along with all of the dumb things that we say so repetitively including we'll cut all this out that's right if you're playing at home right now You just got a spot on your bingo card

That's right And yeah, so I guess I have nothing to add to that I felt like while you were talking I wanted to jump in

I have nothing to add to that

Maybe that'll be next year's bingo card

The spots are like pretty funny And Andrew, you and I kind of came up with them Like the squares and what would be in there But when I saw Our colleague Sarah sent some screencaps Of people talking about this online When I saw them Some little part of me inside died Because I realized how repetitive we are Chris Hayes name drop You know Mispronouncing a donor's name Just like When you see all of these things that we do So repeatedly Or repetitively When you see them just lined up on a bingo card You just really realize Just how low quality this program is

You know I don't have one of those cards I guess I have an image of it somewhere so I could look it up. I wonder if we gave anybody a bingo today. Oh, and by the way, I'm pretty sure, you know, if you're playing a real game of bingo, obviously all the cards are, like, randomized. We couldn't have completely randomized cards, but there are different versions of them. So it's the same squares, but they are rearranged on several different versions. But I do wonder, like, how many of those we nailed today.

like we probably know what Andrew got a few this is what we have to do we have to you and I have to decide on a certain show we will not tell the listeners but we need to decide on a show where we will do all of the all of the things and like we'll just subtly do it without even mentioning it and that'll just be like a little that'll be like the golden ticket that'll be an easter egg that there will be an episode where we intentionally say all of the things that are on the board so that people will get a bingo. Now, what'll happen, I guess, is like, let's just say of the cards we mailed out, it's like a third of them are one configuration, a third of them are another configuration. So a third of the audience will get bingo if they're all playing. Right. But we should definitely do that as a little surprise. And again, not promote it. We'll just one day. See, that will incentivize people to listen to every episode.

And here, here, here, here. Can I take it up a notch? Please. If you are listening to that episode and you get the bingo, which in that case, it wouldn't even be a bingo. If we nail every single square, isn't there a word for that? That's something like blackout, blackout, maybe bingo, boingo, bango, maybe. I don't know. That's something our friend says. Bunga, bunga. Can we do a bunga, bunga party? Can we do a bingo, bingo party with the prime minister of Italy? What I was going to say was though If you complete the card on that show And you're the first person to send it back We'll let you Guest host in the dark For an entire season

Yeah Sarah that's cool right How do we check in with on that Yeah so Thanks to everybody who's been Online talking about these Somebody the photo that I actually saw Somebody framed their bingo card behind glass so they could then play over and over again by using an erasable or whatever a marker that you could just kind of wash off when you were done with it, which is a pretty clever idea

I love that. Here's what I want to say about this, and this is just kind of the boring part but the important part is We always say the boring part loud That's our quiet So these just went out this week, so if you haven't seen it in your mailbox yet I don't think they're going to be there's a any issue yet. And by the way, if you're wondering, well, who is this going to? How do you have my address? We just sent this to everybody who's ever donated to TBTL in the American public media era. So anybody who's donated in the past five years and we have your address, that's that's it. That's why we have your address. And that's who you are if you're receiving this. If you're somebody who fits that description and you are thinking I did not get my postcard, but i should uh you can email me andrew at tbtl.net but just let's give it let's just give it one more week because of the vagaries of the mail system and everything i don't want to be tracking down a bunch of these things that just happen to be in a way station somewhere but you know if in a week from now you still haven't seen it you think you should have one we're going to set you up you can

email me directly yeah and and and this is the same um kind of same system i think we use when we sent out some cards right when the pandemic started we the we're just sending them to people whose info we have so if we didn't send it to you it's not because we were trying to um you know play favorites it's just we can only send cards to the people whose addresses are in our system and the way that those addresses get into our system is that they donated money right so we're not trying to divide here no we're not at all it's just like if we had your address we would

send it to you yeah whoever is is hearing this so yeah so if you have any concerns about that or anything or for whatever reason you want one, you're not, just email me. You know, we're going to work it out.

Just real quick before we do some music for your weekend, this Javanka story, there was a couple of deets that dazzled me. So the basic story is that Jared and Ivanka have been renting, I think probably renting, this home in the Kalama neighborhood of Washington, D.C., which is a very tony area of the town. and they've got Secret Service there and somebody dropped a dime with the Washington Post. This was Carol Leonig, Paul Schwartzman, and Peter Jameson writing in the Post that for the last, well, basically, I guess it would be for how many months? $3,000 a month times what gets you to $100,000? I guess since September 2017. So for three years or so, The Secret Service has been renting a basement apartment near where Jared and Ivanka live so that their Secret Service agents could use those the restroom there because they were forbidden from using one of the five and a half or six and a half bathrooms in the Jared, the Javanka estate. the White House denied this and said that they never were told the Secret Service was never told not to use the bathroom but I don't trust anything this White House ever says as a public statement and I don't think that the Secret Service would be first of all using a porta potty in their yard which was the initial solution to the problem I can't see the Secret Service getting a porta potty for their Secret Service agents if those agents were allowed to use one of the bathrooms in this house because we've all been in a porta potty and if you could use a bathroom a normal bathroom or a porta potty you'd like to use a normal bathroom so that right there tells me that they were not allowed to use the bathrooms in that house now because this is a fancy neighborhood the neighbors complained about the presence of the porta potty so the porta potty was taken away which is what then led them to start using the obama's house now how does that work out the obamas live down the street and they have a secret service detail and the secret service that are guarding javanka are friends with the secret service that's guarding the obama family and the secret service guarding the obamas was like if you need to use the bathroom you can come over here and use one of the bathrooms we use and the obamas are what we call nice yeah but But there was a problem there eventually because there was what was described in 2017 as an unpleasant mess in the bathroom the Obama Secret Service people were using left by one of the Javanka Secret Service people, Andrew.

This is why we can't have nice things.

somebody dropped somebody from the javanka team dropped a super dookie at the bathroom that the obama team was using meaning the javanka team was then banned from using the obama secret service bathroom that's why they had to eventually rent the apartment oh my god you know i have a cousin

who either is or was in the secret service really yeah i don't really talk to him keep it much of a secret um am i allowed to say that am i doxing somebody i don't even know what the rules are on

that um did they have like a cool did they like run on the front corner of the president's car like clint eastwood you know he's a bit older yes the answer that is yes of course they all do that they have to um it's the only way that they can stay alive like a shark has to constantly move um i don't even know why next to the motorcade negative thing to say you know this is a most of my cousins are quite a bit older than me like in the 10-year range or whatever so when i was in high school which was like the last time you know i was kind of living in ohio and having a lot of access to my extended family like this um when i was in high school they were already kind of getting their jobs in the real world or maybe I was even early college when I heard this because I remember this exact person who I'm thinking of who's a cousin who I love a great deal even though I have not spoken with him in a very very long time it always bums me out because I remember that that's his job I'll never forget being very apolitical at the time early college sitting in my grandparents living room and it was some sort of family gathering and he was there and I just remember him saying something like well everybody in the secret service says if hillary clinton ever became president we would all quit or something along those lines and i remember and i think about that now and i think about how divided our country is and how we see what happened at the at the at the um at the capital and and just the seeds the seeds of this of this hatred and division have been there for a really really really long time um well i will tell you sorry that i really went bummer there i will tell

you a group of secret service agents who probably were rethinking maybe their conservative leanings the ones that couldn't take a crap in javanka's house yeah they had and had to go to the obama's house they must have at some point been like hmm one of these things is not like the other yeah all right let's do some music for your weekend before we ski daddle um have you been you know during this well you were just on a road trip right so that's usually a very prime music listening time didn't you or Genevieve write on Instagram we're at the point in the road trip where we're just thinking of every song we can that involves horses yeah yeah I put that on

Twitter um it was funny and then a million people responded I'd like I really did that like I was just I was in the passenger seat obviously when I tweeted that and I was like playing DJ and I don't know how we got to this idea of this like let's just play another horse song and I was I was trying to think of all the horse songs, and I tweeted that out, sort of bleary-eyed. I did not know that people would have such a strong reaction. There were a million responses with people suggesting horse-related songs, and not one of the suggestions was one that I had originally played on the— Yeah, so unfortunately, I don't have any of those queued up right now. I'm going to play something completely unrelated. This is a song that I was listening to earlier this week, this band who I've never heard of, called You're Going to Hate So Much About This. The name of the band is Slaughter Beach Dog, like Slaughter Beach, comma, dog. And I think it's an ironic name. It's like Slaughter Beach Dog. I don't know. But I've been just dipping my toe into this new album they have. It's like some side project of some other band that I've never heard of. Like I can give you zero context for this other than this is a brand new album. And the lead track off of it is called Are You There? So it's a little bit weird, but it definitely reminds me of some of the kind of early 2000s, maybe very late 90s, early 2000s kind of indie rock vibe stuff I used to listen to.

They're from Philly, which is funny because you know who else is from Philly? Another band that I love and I hate their name, which is Dr. Dog. Oh, Dr. Dog's also from Philly. I didn't know that. What's with everybody from Philly having lame names but being awesome bands? You say dog a lot. You do.

This is a relatively new album that came out of this, I believe, in December. The name of the album is At the Moon Base. This song is Are You There by Slaughter Beach, dog.

Are you there? Did patience wane? Did you fall asleep? 2-4 track recording of rain Do you feel tame

Do you feel insane Is there anyone in the audience Currently living in vain

We'll be right back.

Hard times, old ways, takes up a lot of time, hard times, uses up whole days, all those All right, I let this play for quite some time

because it kind of took a while to kick in, but I do like it. Yeah.

Slaughter Beach, dog. I'm going to put them up there with Surfer Blood. Bands that I like, although I just heard about these guys, but I like this. Bands that I like that have names that I'm like,

hmm. You know, it's funny. Yeah, Surfer Blood, I never really broke that down. Because I just associate – there was a band that had such a specific sound that when I hear it, I just think of their music. I never really – maybe I never heard the name without hearing their music. But you're right. When you break it down, that's not a great name.

Now I have to – now I want to go listen to Surfer Blood.

I know. I saw them at the Vera Project like forever ago.

Yeah, they played – weren't they on the TBTL that you were at? Didn't they play the cover of Box Elder?

No, I don't think so. I would remember if I shared a stage with them. I love Surfer Blood. I saw them. I was in the audience of a show that they did at Vera that was not related to Bumbershoot. They were just touring. But I might have just started to get into the TBTL universe with you, maybe when you did an event with them. But I don't think I was there.

January. This was a decent show. January 20th, 2011, Too Beautiful to Live, a daily weekday podcast live from Bumbershoot featuring. Chris Hardwick, Kumail Nanjiani, and Surfer Blood.

Oh, then I was, because I was there with Kumail, and it was you, me, and Sean. That was my very first live show. I didn't remember Surfer Blood being there at all. I cannot believe I forgot that. But I definitely was on stage with Kumail because I – wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Was also Rap Master Maurice on that billing? Because that was the Bumbershoot I did. Maybe I wasn't there with Kumail. I don't think I was there for the Kumail show.

Boy I used to really write differently Or was this Sean I'm just now I'm just delving into the like Oh yeah this was Sean Okay well I can see myself writing this headline too This is Sean DeTore I think From the mixtape section of the My Northwest blog If you don't know about these bands You are probably a bad person That it's about like Surfer Blood And Atlas Sound And these other bands And again I didn't actually write that headline But that's the kind of vibe It was the vibe that we had as a show there for a while. Like, if you don't like what we like, you're bad.

I need to figure out, if Rap Master Maurice was at that show, then I was there. Because I thought that I was there for the Kumail show. But I think I'd remember Surfer Blood. But I do remember just, like, crashing and burning. Like, not crashing and burning, but I just froze so bad. It was you, me, and Sean. I don't think you did. I did.

I think you are just being hard on yourself In the rear view mirror I mean certainly I didn't leave that show thinking God that was a disaster Because Andrew froze up

Well that's true I don't think that I was not enough of a presence That I would have ruined the show But I was just a non-entity Just kind of sitting there frozen between you and Sean While y'all How things have changed I can't get you to shut up now

Sorry That's what I would kill to do I'd kill to go to a Waffle House right now bro Oh god I know um the song that i would like to play which i think might have a couple of bad words i tried to find a song by mf doom that i liked and that also wasn't just a bunch of words that we generally don't play on the show um of course mf doom passed away he passed away uh like on thanksgiving but it wasn't made public until like more like around christmas um i think which was kind of an interesting thing too for you know all the mf doom heads out there i saw people saying well that's about the most mf doom thing you can do because of course mf doom is this guy named daniel uh doomiel uh who you know performed under a bunch of different names um he's a hip-hop guy but he was he always wore a mask and uh so he was like a very kind of sort of private person anonymous in the sense that he was sort of the banksy of uh of his music maybe not quite that obscure but like uh yeah you just had this very i i he was so prolific by the way i would not even pretend to to say that i know like even a quarter of his work because the guy just put out so many different albums and there's so many different monikers and stuff what i do know is everyone

Whose opinion about hip-hop I respect All of those people Would always talk about MF Doom

It's a name that's always floating around And I know not The only thing I know about MF Doom is everything you just told me Right now, it was like one of those things where I just know It's well-respected but I have zero Zero context for

He, yeah, I mean He, and it gets Complicated when you start digging around Because he had a character Mad villain that he did I mean, he just he was he was always sort of pushing the envelope of the art form and also of just like his various personas. And he just made a lot of really interesting music. And again, really inspired a lot of the artists that we hear today. Like all of those folks all would be like MF Doom is the guy on this. So anyway, I just thought, you know, we'll play an MF Doom song. This one is called Sofa King.

but this is by the way this is the danger mouse remix if you do you have that one andrew oh you know what i'm not sure if i do sorry i've been rabbit holing i i think i have some answers about bumbershoot and my connection oh my god sorry it's just like because i i was like if surfer blood played and i was there and i don't remember that what's wrong with me i'm quite sure that that was the 2011 bumbershoot and i didn't join the show until 2012 so i'm looking to see the um but anyway i'll do more researching so that must have been the next year

did we have like the pains of being pure at heart maybe that rings a bell and i do remember erdman

was there because i met him in the um in that was probably just the following year so that was probably the the following year um okay but i'll figure this out during the break so you want the

you want mf the danger mouse version of the the mf doom song sofa king okay and this is the danger mouse remix i got it right here i think it still has a couple squares but this one is is not it's not full of them in the way that some of mf doom's music is so i take a listen to this

please read from sheets i am i am sofa king What's up, buddy? Oh, the one they hate so well. He sure keeps his cycle like the old Bates Motel. They came to ask him for at least some new tracks. But only got confronted by the beast with two backs. Knock. Mouse is a made man. Villain laid it down like the best laid plan. Bell the cat. Who the hell is that near the middle? Got y'all, but it's not all bear and skittles. Prepare the vittles. Got riddles and spittles. Crystal clear to the jot or the tittle. It's hot off the griddle. Came to take the cake where there's a lot.

You rarely hear jot and tittle referenced in a hip-hop song. What is it? A jot and a tittle, that's a writing reference, right? I don't know. Oh, yeah, yeah. Let's see. Jot and tittle. The phrase or jot and tittle means, oh, wow, maybe it's an amount of time. The phrase jot or tittle is somewhat tautological, as both jot and tittle refer to tiny quantities. It passed into English via William Tyndale's translation of the New Testament. It appears Matthew 5.18. One jot or one tittle of the law shall not escape. Wow.

It all comes back to the Bible. It does. I have some answers for you here that everybody, not me, I don't care about this stuff, but everybody really wants some closure on the whole who was on TBTL Bumbershoot, when,

Have you where did you go? This is where you bring Andrew back.

This is really important to me projected for the last 12 minutes. Listen, here's here's why this has been bothering me, because I feel like I remember being on stage with Camille Nanjiani. But then you said that Camille Nanjiani was on your show with Surfer Blood. So I thought I was somehow just making up memories because I definitely had not been on stage with Surfer Blood. Here's what I know. I don't know what happened in 2011. I can't find a record for that. But according to our website, September 2012, episode 1160, Live from Bumbershoot, we called it Bumbershoot back then, shoopy-doo-wop, TBTL Live from Bumbershoot welcomes Kumail Nanjiani, Rap Master Maurice, and The Pains of Being Pure at Heart. That's the show that I bombed. We must have, in subsequent years,

years or at some point we must i maybe combined the lineup like in other words taken yeah kumail because he was probably already becoming a pretty big deal at that point and paired it with surfer blood yeah we must have done some kind i think you had kumail on two years in a row and

that actually rings a bell i think kumail because now i'm looking at the same blog post you found who's whether it was sean or who oh you said it was sean who wrote this but it sounds like in 2011 you had Chris Hardwick, Kumail, and Surferblood, and then the next year you brought back Kumail, and I think his star was already starting to rise then. I feel like there was even a vibe of just like a lot had happened in the year with his career. I could be wrong about that part. But anyway, I'm just really, really glad that I didn't make up my memory because honestly, that's a real concern for me these days. I feel like I'm just like conflating things

and making shit up. I have been listening to this podcast that I'm really enjoying, And again, after people listen to all 3,338 episodes of TBTL, then and only then are you allowed to go listen to other shows. You can skip the Bumbershoot one. It's called Dead Eyes. And it's this guy, Connor Ratliff, who was cast in the HBO miniseries Band of Brothers. And he was in an episode that was to be directed by Tom Hanks. And after booking the role, a very small role, Tom Hanks fired him from the role before he could even film anything because Tom Hanks thought he had, quote unquote, dead eyes. Oh, my gosh. And the whole podcast, the ostensible plot is him trying to figure out why Tom Hanks fired him if he has dead eyes, just really break down and deconstruct and revisit this moment and then the implications for his life. But what it really becomes actually is a very interesting show about rejection. And he has all these other, you know, actor friends and performers who come on and talk about their moments of being, you know, fired from things or feeling self-conscious. Anyway, it's very well done. And one of the episodes he has a friend of his on, I think the guy's named Adam Conover. He has this show called Adam Ruins Everything, which I actually have never really watched.

you neither but a lot of people send us links

yeah I know I think it's probably big with our listeners and this guy Adam Conover who I don't have a whole lot of experience with he's clearly very bright and he um they're talking about memory I'm thinking about this because you were worried that your memory was was failing you and I'm now this is me based on my memory paraphrasing with this guy Adam Conover said on Dead Eye so I would just say go listen to the source but he was talking about um because because the question was uh is this guy connor ratliff just misremembering this event like did the term dead eyes even happen or did he just somewhere along the way in the 20 years sort of start to tell himself this and what this guy conover was saying was memory is very weird because what we're effectively doing is every time we tell a story we're kind of re-recording the memory over like imagine like a cassette tape and so then every time we go back to our memory of the thing we're going back to the most recent recording of it that we kind of laid out so we're constantly constantly visiting or relying on something that's further and further away from from what happened but it in the example conover uses is this this moment that he very vividly remembers involving his wife and a friend of theirs that didn't happen with that person it literally happened with a different person and he can visualize where they were when it happened in his memory version of it and anyway the way he described which I've done a very poor job of here the way he kind of described like why why we can believe so strongly that we were remembering something while we can even see where we were yeah when this thing happened that didn't happen it has to do with the way that our brain actually stores memories and refers back to the information I love the tape and

I mean I love analogies and I love cassette tape so why wouldn't I love that analogy but yeah no that's really interesting and also by the way i'm on the um dead eyes website now um this sounds great i love i even love the the write-up it says actor comedian uh connor atliff from the uh chris gethard show hey i shared a stage with him i didn't yeah i didn't blow that one luke uh embarks upon a quest to solve a very stupid i didn't actually that was i was thinking about that the other day that i did feel a little panicky on because i've gotten pretty comfortable are you sensing a theme well no because i've gotten pretty comfortable with you on your stage but i remember that one feeling it was the first time and one of the only times on stage with you where i felt the clock ticking if that makes sense and i'm not saying that like this is not always the case like i loved the chicago show i thought we were vibing even though i was like you know I had a cold and everything. Actually, I won't list them all, but Austin felt great to me. I literally tripped as I was walking onto the stage, but Austin still felt like a good show to me. But I do remember being on stage with you at the Thing Festival and for the first time ever in front of an audience being like, do we have enough here? And I think maybe that was my own insecurity. You and Chris were really talking about the New York cable access scene and stuff, and I just didn't have anything. I remember just thinking, don't toss it to me because I'll just make a farting sound. Like, that's literally all I have in my back pocket now. All right. So this write-up says.

So now I know going forward, if we're ever doing an event. This is for the listeners, too. If we're ever doing a live show and I say, what do you think of that, Andrew? And he just goes. That's what happened. I just spit all over my entire computer setup. That was not worth it.

The write-up says. That's why you have the sound effect. Conor Ratliff embarks on a quest to solve a very stupid mystery that has haunted him for two decades. That's a very good write-up for a podcast. It's got me.

Yeah, and it's good, too. I mean, he says—I interviewed him for Livewire this week, by the way. It'll be up, I think, next week. But he—yeah, he said, look, why he thinks the show is kind of fun is because it starts off incredibly self-centered, and admittedly so. But then it expands out into being much more about other people and more relatable. It's not just, you know, he ends up getting, so the scene that he gets cut from, he ends up talking to the actors who are in the scene, including Ron Livingston, who's the guy from, like, Office Space. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the boss, right? Nope, that's Gary Cole. Oh, yeah. Ron Livingston's the guy who actually gets hypnotized, and then the hypnotist has a heart attack, and then he's just, like, going through life giving zero Fs. Okay, yeah. That's Ron Livingston, he's also in Swingers And he's been in TV, well he was in Band of Brothers and he was going to be in this scene With this Conor Ratliff guy And then the other guy that was going to be in the scene Is of all people, Andrew, remember In the movie Rushmore Remember the Scottish bully Oh yeah, red-headed kid Yeah, like, which is just One of the weirdest and kind of greatest Characters, like why is he Scottish You know what I mean He's just like up in a tree, like shooting I think he's up in here like shooting Max With like a slingshot or some shit And then at the end when Max Casts him in his like way Over the top like school play He's like yeah probably And he's like I always wanted To be I'm not I cannot do a Scottish accent but he's Like he's like I always wanted to be in one of Your shite plays or something yes yes Yes and Jason Schwartzman goes I know I know It's just like sober that dude is Cast in band of brothers And was in the scene and is unbelievably likable when he's being interviewed by Connor Ratliff like he's so warm and sweet but he has the accent he's talking like the bully from Rushmore it's such a mental mind F to just kind of like hear this guy who I just think of he's just like so mean in that movie and he's so nice in real life anyway they end up redoing the scene oh on the podcast yeah oh that's great

I gotta listen to this

it's a good cleaning podcast

it sounds like it yeah like i can keep you busy all day burn through him when i clean the bathroom by the way and i didn't look this up but now that i'm i haven't seen the rushmore in a really long time i think they do serpico earlier in the in the movie and i think the final thing don't they do apocalypse now isn't that what the final the final play he puts on is it's some i can't remember

it's platoon what's it's it's either platoon or apocalypse now it's a vietnam yes era like play And now I want to go You know what I want to do, Andrew? I want to go to Taco Bell Which I didn't do yesterday I want to put on Surfer Blood While I'm driving back from Taco Bell And then I want to sit down and watch Rushmore

Well, you got time to

Yeah, man, it's a Friday Dreams come true Maybe that can be my Friday Under quarantine I said I'm going through quarantine With a lot of privilege, Andrew But it involves sitting on my couch Eating Taco Bell and watching Rushmore Okay, our listener suggestion This week is from listener Maddie Now, I met listener Maddie when I interviewed her on Livewire. I'm only reading you the part of Maddie's email that is relevant to Music for Your Weekend. But Maddie was a graduating senior from high school, I want to say, in Colorado. And we did this little kind of roundup. This is when the pandemic had really kind of set in. we did a little roundup with some high school seniors about asking them kind of what it's like to do a virtual graduation etc and Maddie was one of those high school seniors and Maddie is now a listener to this show which is awesome and Maddie says I wanted to write in about Sia I've been a fan of hers for a long time and was very excited to hear you talking about her I want to share one of my favorite songs by her it was really hard to choose which one I would highly recommend most things she has released my two favorite sia albums are color the small one and some people have real problems and she also did some really cool songs with a band called zero seven however i'm going to go with her song shadow from her 1997 album only see as the name suggests it's not at all like sunshine or anything else off her christmas album her style has changed a lot over the years it is not a christmas song so i know it isn't a great timing by the way maddie sent this in probably around the holidays um but even so i wanted to share it because it is such a beautiful and underrated song and you can find it here and maddie helpfully includes the link which we always ask people to do when they send these in so that's what we're going to go out with we're going to go out with a song by sia um and it's recommended by listener maddie can i jump in on

one thing here i'm really glad you read this because i forgot maddie sent this email quite some time ago and i think also had some technical questions about tbtl for us and i've been meaning to return that email and i forgot about it and now i feel really guilty about that but i'm glad you read it and maddie if you're still listening if you're not so mad that you stopped listening to the show uh i'm i'm sorry that i never responded but i'm also not going to promise to respond because i don't know where that email is anymore i believe maddie was saying something

about she was very carefully cross-referencing what platforms our ads play on and which ones

they don't oh that's right it was ad related yeah get back at me i can maybe tell you how that works a little bit more but i the thing that confuses me though is what does this have to do with

bumbershoot a decade ago all right on that note uh we are all done with our broadcast week thank you so much everybody for being part of this thing thanks for listening thanks for putting up with us uh we'll be back here on monday with more imaginary radio for you until then enjoy your weekend. Go Brungles. Go eat a Bregel. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

Yes, you can take that too hard. It was meant to sit close to the bone anywhere I am. You can make it a big issue Make it a battle of your own And that's okay You can feign a distant familiarity Say you understand the similarity Say you see me with great clarity But you actually don't necessarily Only if you steal my shadow Will you truly know Power out.