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All right, hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Tuesday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. I don't know what's going on. I love this. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. Sounds expensive. Coming to you from the Nest Broadcast Center, high in the sky above Portland, Oregon, where it is, once again, a quite lovely Tuesday morning. Noise! Like blue skies, little light clouds, looking out over Mount Hood in the far background. And we have got quite a show in store for you here on episode 3,340 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. Alec Baldwin has announced he is leaving Twitter. You face. Who are you facing? He's very not into the tone. He said it's like a party where everyone's yelling, which makes it not a very fun party. I don't actually disagree with that sentiment. But I think it's probably because he's getting roasted because of the quite confusing backstory about his wife's accent and upbringing, which all kind of hit the fan while we were on our winter games vacation. And usually I don't really want to get into celebrity speculation on this show. That's not really what we do. but this one is just kind of too great to not get into so we will um uh we'll talk about that also uh joe biden moving into the white house this week and there are some questions as to if he can bring his peloton bike or not dude is like what's joe biden 78 years old or something like that works out on a peloton every morning really i'm trying to build my beef castle But I guess it's a security risk. So we'll update you on the latest with that as well. Plus emails and emails. And this guy, the longest-running Cobra of the show, he's known for his drawings of tall ships, their grace and their splendor. He's baby-stepping. He's doing the work. He's a handsome young stranger. He's Andrew.

Ziggle-zag it. Let's get back at it.

Walsh. And he is joining me right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. Hello, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. I hear that. I don't know if this affects you or not, But I was a little bit bummed in the newspaper today. I wasn't bummed in the newspaper. Let me restate that. Somebody wrote an article in the newspaper about how bummed I am. No, that's not it either. I was bummed to read in the newspaper that the temperatures here in the Pacific Northwest, specifically Seattle, Washington, will continue to drop as the week goes on, getting in the 40s eventually, which is fine winter weather. But it's one of those things where they said we've enjoyed some warmer weather lately because of the rain. And I went through that usual thing in my head where I was like, yep, it's been nice and warm and rainy and moist like a womb. And now all of that rain is going to go away. I didn't think there was anything that could follow up the word moist and make it worse. Yep, there it is. And now it's going to be sunshiny and clear, but super cold. And I'll take the rain. I'll take the rain.

I love it. Cold and clear. I knew you would. That's for me. I really, you know, when people listen, I'm going to enrage or at least annoy our listeners in Chicago when I say this, because I've not tried to go through a full on Chicago winter. And I know, Andrew, we just had a conversation about dirty snow and the upper Midwest recently. So we don't need to relitigate that. But I, sitting here just looking out on what is probably a relatively cold Portland, Oregon, where it is also clear and very light-filled, is exactly what I need to be looking at here on this Tuesday.

The reason this was written up in the newspaper was because there was questions about whether snow would be coming to Seattle.

unlikely now. Why am I starting the show just talking about the weather? I guess I've run out of things to talk about. I have no neighbors or dog walkers or garbage collectors or cars parking in the bike lane to get angry at, and now here I am just talking about the weather report I read in the Seattle Times. This is terrible. Snow, snow, and more snow, and we've got a really nasty mixture. I quit. Get Brent

I mention the weather every single morning. It's probably the second thing or third thing I say in my little top of the show.

I know, and you're terrible at podcasting. That's what I'm saying.

I think it's some of the best work I do. I mean, who doesn't want to know what the weather was on a particular day in Portland, Oregon, years later? Who wouldn't be fascinated? Who would not be dazzled by those deeds?

Absolutely. By the way, I'm going to respond to, I got another email from a listener today. Actually, a follow-up email from listener Maddie. Remember we read Maddie's email on Friday?

Yeah, we played Music for Your Weekend from Maddie. Right.

And I said I had an email about technical stuff that I'd never returned to her. And she was writing about, like, and I'm going to address this more broadly because I've been getting a lot of these emails lately. You and I talk about downloads a lot. I do. I'm always making kind of remarks about how people should just download the show twice, listen once, whatever. Like, let's get those numbers up. And, you know, I'm, as Genevieve would say, maybe kidding on the square about that a little bit. You know, like I do want more numbers, but I don't really want to stress our listeners out with it. And maybe my joking and teasing has gone too far because Maddie and some other people have written in to say, like, well, maybe I'm listening the wrong way. Like, what is the best thing for you? Like, should I listen directly off of the website because I'm not hearing the ads on another platform for some reason? Or how are these counted? You guys call them downloads, but I'm streaming from my app. Does that mean it doesn't count for you? Should I change the way I'm doing it? And, like, really nice, very earnest emails from people saying, like, let me know what to do. Do I need to do that thing that they did in one of those Star Wars stories where I take a rocket ship and then climb a tall power, a pall tower or a tall tower with an 8-track device? and plug it in and download the show and then bring it back down to Earth.

Oh, yeah, was that Rogue One?

It was, yeah, where they had, like, a, yeah, I think it was Rogue One, which I liked that movie, but it was a weird, weird decision that that's how they, you know, kind of made their communications infrastructure.

Right, the challenge was you had to plug this little thing. It just feels like, at that point, although I know there's some weird, like, ahistoric, this is, hey, I found something worse than us talking about weather. No, I know what you're going to say. Trying to talk Star Wars. It is funny, though, because it is a very feels like a somewhat analog technology for in a, you know, sort of future version of the universe where you'd think they'd probably have, you know, a way to do that remotely.

Yes. In fact, there is a wonderful now. So much time has passed that I really don't know if I'll be able to find this article, but maybe I will off air today and I can tweet it out or something. But there is a wonderful piece that somebody wrote talking about and lovingly talking about loving all of the Star Wars movies and films or appreciating them, but talking about how there is no consistency with the media that is used. Sometimes it's a hologram spit out by R2-D2, but then if you look at the timeline of when the movies actually happen, you can go further back in Star Wars time to get more sophisticated technology, but then as the timeline moves forward, you have people dealing with eight tracks, which doesn't really seem like that would scan with whatever R2-D2 is packing. It was a really great piece. I'll see if I can find it.

I saw a tweet on twitter.com By somebody named Kate McClell And I sent this to my brother Sam and David Because they're Star Wars heads I actually should have looped Camaro Kevin too Because he might be the biggest Star Wars head we know And this person on Twitter wrote Star Wars fan And then parenthetically crying You can't keep doing this Then it's George Lucas colon Now this guy is a pretty bad customer His name is Darth Crumbo i don't know why the name darth crumbo makes me laugh so hard i just picture a real sloppy

darth character who's like eating donuts pretty bad customer his name is darth crumbo everything's just collecting on his chest all of the crumbs do you think that it would maybe back to what

you were saying about listener maddie and other uh fans of the show who have now been enlisted in the survival of this show in a way that actually Bill's not like it isn't. That's a double negative. Basically, we, of course, like to be transparent with the listeners, and we like to encourage them to help us keep this whole thing going. But now many of them are carrying around a lot of the stress of this show succeeding long term or longer term. I mean, we've been here for 11 or 12 years, which is a while. But do you think it would help our numbers if I played you a supercut of you and I saying the name Terry Poo over the years? this is like how five to six years of every time we've mentioned your was it uncle's dog terry

okay couple of things here i do remember this this is resurfaced huh because i think i have this in my in my audio library and i click on it every now and then and i have to stop it because it's a little a little painful for me to hear but um before my grandfather and grandmother had a dog named terry it was a terry poo you add that one to the list and before we get too far a field of Let me finish my thought that I was starting before, and then we can play this tape, is the answer to all of these generous, kind listeners is just enjoy the show. However you listen, that's the best thing you can do for TBTL. Just enjoy it. Be part of the family. Enjoy it how you enjoy it. And don't worry about us. And I'm sorry that I'm creating.

If you can learn computer programming, maybe through some sort of online course, you can build a bot that downloads millions. It creates millions of downloads per episode. We wouldn't be mad at that. But along with doing that, just enjoy the show.

Exactly right. And do make sure that you take at least a two-year course at your local college to learn how to do that. But aside from that, just relax. Okay. Now, you want to play this, Matt. Can I kill my headphones while you do this?

This is me, too, though. I don't know why this bothers you. Well, I was not aware of this. Now, maybe we played this on the show some years ago, and I had already forgotten. But this has now been added to because Terry came up on the show. And so this, again, I think is going to drive hundreds, if not thousands of downloads.

And that is the Terry poo, Terry poo, Terry poo, Terry poo, Terry poo, Terry poo, Terry poo, Terry poo, Terry poo, Terry poo, Terry poo, Terry poo. Wow. Your laugh at the end was kind of evil there, Luke. My wait. No, I was that was me laughing in real time. I know.

And I'm afraid that you've become an evil villain It sounded evil? It sort of did You're turning into a Darth Crumbo It's happening in front of our ears

Let's do this Let's take a break on the early side For once in our lives And then when we come back We will get into the Did you follow this at all? Did you and Veeves whilst you were driving around The southwest or whatever That region's technically known as Did you get in on any of this

Hilaria Baldwin stuff yeah we argued about it a lot and I'm almost wondering I don't know what Genevieve's got going on with work right now would it be worth bringing because she's going to be so much smarter about this and we really went back and forth and she is a big defender of Hilaria whoa yes really I mean not oh not generally speaking but in this case feels like this is being blown way out of proportion and i actually can i make can i place a few phone calls see if i can yeah would you be interested in that do you need me to play the terry poo sound again just to buy some time i'll do it during the break again i honestly don't know though genevieve could be in a million meetings and might not be able to join us but i do think that that would be an angle that is more interesting than me floundering my way through it uh yeah let's do

that um although now of course the listeners are going to be pretty let down when we come back from the break and we say that genevieve's in a meeting well i do a pretty solid genevieve imitation So they'll never know. One way or the other, you're going to hear Andrew's better half coming up here on the show. This is TVTL. Stay with us.

Sure, I can do it.

All right, let's thank some donors of the day. These are the generous people who are making today's episode possible. Talking about folks like Nicole Oswill of Temecula, California.

Do you have a thing on Temecula? As I was sending you these donors yesterday, I saw we had a listener from Temecula. And I was like, oh, yeah, that's one that Luke really likes to – Luke's like a dog with a bone with Temecula. But now I can't remember if that's true or not.

I don't – I think more Rancho Cucamonga. Sure, yeah. It's usually what gets me all excited. But Temecula, that's sort of inland from San Diego, I believe. I think they've got some vineyards out there. I think there's some wine country going on in Temecula.

It's one of the more fun cities to say out loud.

It is. It definitely is. Yeah.

I don't know what it means. I assume it's a Native American word.

Anyway, I kind of put you on the spot there, I realize. Now you're trying to.

Nicole, I don't want you to. Let me just speculate on Temecula. Nicole, we appreciate the donation, and I promise next year, by the next time we read your name, I will be basically like I work at the Temecula Visitors Bureau. I will know everything there is to know about your town. It means place of the sun, by the way. Okay. Susan Brownell of San Francisco, California. I've got to learn about San Francisco as well. It's another blind spot for me. I've never heard of it. Native American, I believe, for San Francisco. The Francisco. Jim Hayes is in South Orange, New Jersey. Jim, thank you for the donation. Then you've got Laurel Marsh checking in from Seattle, Washington. and then Laurel Link from McFarland, Wisconsin. What are the chances, Andrew, that we would have back-to-back laurels? Oh, wow. Somehow that escaped my radar. Wow. It's a laurel fest. I mean, I don't believe in... I don't know what that would be indicating. I don't know who would be trying to reach me from beyond the grave with that information. But I feel like I've been seeing a lot of coincidences lately. I can't think of any of them off the top of my head, but I've been seeing a lot of things that just seem kind of like, whoa, that's interesting. I don't know if I'd put back-to-back laurels at the top of the list, but I would say that's fairly unusual. Andrea Duesenberry is in Bothell, Washington, and is also supporting the show. What are the chances we would have a laurel, a laurel, and then an Andrea? And a Temecula. Yeah, all in the same batch of donors.

Something weird is happening, and you're right, it's definitely coming from beyond the grave.

I can't think we can all agree there's something supernatural going on with that Thanks so much to all of our donors today for making the show possible We would not be here without you Hello and welcome to Top Story Alright, our Top Story today, Alec Baldwin is leaving Twitter I'm thinking this is because he just doesn't like playing in the social media space right now because he's been getting a fair amount of flack or ribbing, some of it good-natured, some of it probably less good-natured, about what exactly the backstory on his wife is. Andrew, were you able to successfully convince Genevieve to come down and help us out with this podcast, even though this is a place that regularly steals content from after these messages?

Well, you remember how you told me that if I fail at booking one more guest, I'm out the door? Thank goodness I live to see another day because Genevieve is sitting across from me right now.

oh hey vives hi welcome to the show thank you thank you for coming downstairs with little to no heads up on a tuesday morning um i guess andrew kind of briefed you on on what we're talking about and um i mean maybe just for the listeners who were a little less plugged in over the holidays or who don't really go in for kind of celebrity nonsense um i'll just set this up real quick uh And you can correct me the parts of it that I'm maybe getting a little bit wrong. But the sense I got was I have always, as I think most people have, had this sense of Alec Baldwin's wife, Hilaria Baldwin, as being this quite interesting, quite Spanish figure with an accent and a name like Hilaria that I was unfamiliar with. And to be honest, just a quite conventionally attractive presence doing yoga, posing with one of their 24 children minutes after birthing them in a very, you know, natural outfit, we should say. So I had this whole idea around Hilaria Baldwin, and then the news came out that she really spent a lot of her childhood in, I think it was Massachusetts, and that everyone knew her as Hillary in Massachusetts in those days, and that this kind of more Spanish version of herself was kind of an invention. And one of the things people point to as evidence is a time that she was on the Today Show doing a cooking segment. And she apparently forgot the word for cucumber. Take a listen to this.

We have very few ingredients. We have tomatoes. We have, what do you say in English? Cucumbers. Cucumbers. We have red.

We have a what do you say in English? Cucumbers, et cetera. Anyway, the news came out that some people who had gone to high school with her and others were like, yeah, the Hilaria thing is kind of an invention. which was hilarious. Then when I read Hilaria Baldwin's, like, when I read how she was responding on social media, I have to say, she seemed to actually explain everything. Like, my experience with the story was, oh, my God, that's crazy she's been pretending. to have an accent like how deep cover do you have to go with that like does Alec know then I read her way of describing and I was like that actually kind of makes sense what she's saying because she her family now lives in Mallorca and she spent a lot of time going to Spain when she was a kid um but but now I don't know what to believe where do you come down on this whole thing well Andrew

was surprised actually by my super hot take on this which was I think she's getting kind of a raw deal let me let me preface this by saying i don't give a single f about hilaria baldwin she seems like someone who i have zero in common with she's a super hot yoga instagram influencer like i don't think you have nothing in common i don't care for any of those words uh and i mean she just seems like someone who is like we have we have our event diagrams have zero overlap

so I don't personally care you both have pretended for many years to be Spanish though I'm not

pretending my family has many estates in Mallorca um no like so so this is all to say this isn't I don't think I'm like you know in the bag for her because she's someone that I like I mean there are people who I think have been gotten kind of a raw deal on the internet who maybe I'm I'm a little bias toward them so i just want to clarify i have no bias towards her um i doubt i would like her alec baldwin although i love his as an actor seems like a rage machine yeah like but i just when i saw this story and i said i kind of followed how it all unwrap how it all kind of came to be it started with someone on the internet an anonymous person who has been as far as i know allowed to remain anonymous which is another hilarious story um basically saying something along the lines of and i'm not going to get the exact tweet language right but like is i like it's wild to me that hilaria baldwin's been able to do this grift where she pretends to be a spanish person and i guess the grift is in the idea that she's somehow monetizing or capitalizing on her on being more exotic than she is but then when you but like you said like when you find out she's an a person of enormous privilege she grew up just with so much money and privilege and the kind of family that like I can't relate to but like they were as comfortable in Spain as they are in Boston and believe me they weren't living in Southie right like you know when she talks in her English accent she doesn't you know she's not talking like she's down from Southie and you know to go into a Sox game later right like that's right she's rich and like many rich people she's just kind of cosmopolitan and global and she speaks Spanish fluently and so it's not that surprising to me that she would perhaps a bit knowingly but not it's not disingenuous to embrace parts of your life or your personality that feel good to you did it feel good to her because it also got her like, you know, sponsorships and stuff. I mean, maybe, but like that seems like a fairly, you know, is it Venielson or Venielson? Which one is the small one?

I'm not sure. That's a great question. Andrew, can you Google? You're doing the least talking. Can you Google it? Yeah, right. I also do want to point out, though, I can't find it right now.

How do you say in English? How do you say in English? Venielson.

I do have a piece of tape of her saying, I don't know what this is, but Alex says it's a freaking sea turtle.

Well, get a picture of me with it anyway.

We are seeing something we have never seen before. Anyway. One thing, too, that she said, I will say that, because one of the things that seemed most damning was the name Hilaria because her name appears to be Hillary, and that was kind of like, oh, that seems like a bit of reinvention. And then she said, look, some people in my family call me Hilaria, some people call me Hillary. I just thought it was easier to go with one. I chose Hilaria. That was one of the things she wrote in her defense, which I was like, OK, you know, I can kind of I can kind of see that.

I'm by no stretch of the imagination French, but I have a French first name and I've had lots of people in my life call me Genevieve. Right. Or some some derivation of that.

That's usually a mistake, though. No, I mean, I'm around for a lot of that when people like somehow they can't wrap their head around Genevieve.

No, I'm talking with people who know me and maybe like from when I was younger. But, you know, people who knew who know me and call me that as a term of affection, like a way of nicknaming. And so, again, like I don't find it that outrageous that this woman who spends a ton of time in Spain, whose family currently all live there, thinks of herself in her as her Spanish nickname. can i tell you though the most hilarious part of this was the new york times article or interview that she did where she tried this is probably now a couple weeks ago she did

an interview with the new york times to try to sort of tamp down this scandal so-called and the new york times talked to talked interviewed the person who who put the original tweet right the grit the she's been running this grift tweet but they allowed that person to remain anonymous because that woman was apparently quote-unquote afraid that alec baldwin would punch her which

sounds crazy and then until the new york times details all the people that alec baldwin has punched and you're like well okay i guess that seems reasonable yeah of the celebrities that i

would say are most likely to punch a person yeah i'd put alec baldwin very near the top also also were once the voice of the met opera i would say that that's a list of one well isn't

marky mark also on that list or no i guess he wasn't the voice for the men i'm confusing him

I mean, I'm with you, Vives, that it sort of, in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter at all. I mean, everybody gets to live their life and make their choices. That being said, I would be really surprised if Hilaria Baldwin's brain was inclined in such a way that her natural state was to have a pretty noticeable Spanish accent and to forget words in English. just because of her life the vast majority of her life was spent in Massachusetts and New York and she may have gone to Spain a lot her parents may live there now she may have been speaking Spanish as a kid I'm sure that either members of her family or maybe people who were hired to help domestically with her family were speaking Spanish but I just I the accent feels like a decision at some point that she decided to sort of lean into which again is totally her right the part that fascinates me is what did Alec Baldwin know and when did he know it

well she claims again this New York Times article she claims that the way they met and I love imagining this she was

in a restaurant he was punching a man on the street that he missed and accidentally

punched her he was punching someone in Spanish and she was able to translate no she they were in a restaurant I'm sure some fancy ass expensive a restaurant that the plebs like us could never even get into sorry like i'm bringing a lot of class anxiety and envy to this but i think you're you're talking to the right yeah i know on shoulder haver thieves but i i think i i think i mentioned it because i get the sense that a lot of what is uh sort of hacking people off about this is a class issue and my point is we can all hate the baldwins and we don't this doesn't necessarily need to be part of it but anyway so there she's in a restaurant she's talking in spanish to this is her version but she's talking in spanish to some acquaintances some friends alec bald she's also of course super hot alec baldwin sees her here's her talking in spanish he's uh captivated he's ensorcelled and he says to her who are you i must know you i must know you where are you from and she said i'm and she says at the in that moment she said I'm from Boston um I guess in other in other words to clarify like I'm speaking Spanish but I'm not Spanish so who knows if that's even true but like I can imagine that this is this is a woman who just like has a lot of Spanish friends and speak Spanish very frequently even in the United States I don't I'm not I'm not bilingual but I but I have lived abroad and even in living and even living in england you do sort of you start to do some code switching or code switching becomes a little challenging and so again i don't i think that there's a gray area between running a grift where she really sounds like you know like marky mark when she's like when you wake her up in the middle of the night and being like and then but And between that end of the spectrum and then being fully like, this is all a lie. I'm really Spanish. Like, she's not really Spanish, but she has so much privilege that in a weird way, she's probably oblivious to how this would have even looked to somebody because to her it seemed natural.

Now, we were debating this in the car because I'm more in the camp that you kind of set up there, Luke, that it just to me does not seem accidental at all. Like, again, I guess I guess the word is venial, by the way, for whatever that's worth. But venial sin. And sure, maybe it's a venial sin. I'm not saying that she needs to be prosecuted or anything terrible has to happen to her. But I also don't think anything terrible is happening to her in this being discussed. And I also just do not buy her version of events that it's this accidental thing that she kind of slips in and out of. To me, it seems very cultivated and profitable and all part of. this like this image that she set up for herself and again but don't we all start to believe our own our own lies a little bit yeah and when some people do it it is really super annoying and like but and you are pure as the driven snow well I will tell you that I don't really I do think there's something about my personality that really rejects any kind of dishonesty of character like I really do hate that not to make myself sound like Holden Caulfield which I know is very problematic in its own way but like that is the kind of stuff yeah I'd rather you pretended to

It should be Spanish.

But I do hate that. You're just a phony, Genevieve. I feel like there is a disc. Watch it, Ackley. Just Ackley kid. But, yeah, so I do think that that kind of stuff, that putting on of airs, especially knowingly, and there's a bit of dishonesty in there, that that does, you know, raise my hackles a bit. But one aspect of it that I hadn't really thought of until you said it a moment ago vives that is also just kind of a i think somewhat universal annoyance is anybody who's had a friend go abroad for a little bit for like three weeks and they come back and they forget the american word for trunk and you're like oh fuck you like you know it's called a trunk like don't do that i i think it's okay for me to say this here um this is a little bit off to the side but we have a friend who one time uh asked me to remove my shoes as i came into her apartment which is a fair thing to ask somebody to do. I don't like it, but it's a fair thing to ask. But she couched it in. It's a little thing I picked up in Japan. I'm just like, what? You picked up your new wall-to-wall carpeting in Japan? You don't want me to get mud on your carpet. It's not that big of a deal. Don't say, oh, it's a little thing I picked up in Japan. I find that type of stuff to be super annoying.

Now, I will also say, Andrew, that you're the opposite of that in the way that you are in your life. like you're very, very careful to not ever put on that particular kind of air to the point of almost like sometimes denying your own experience, I would say. Yes, exactly.

Wait, what's my experience that I'm denying?

I can't think of a specific example, but what I'm saying is it's clear. I definitely, in knowing you, know that that's pretty much a thing that you want to avoid at all costs, is coming off like you know too much about a topic or that you are a certain way that you have any doubt in your head that you are sure might be you definitely get way in front of that so i mean like if there's an opposite of a hilaria baldwin it's probably andrew lewis well except for physique but i i dig what you're saying yes but you know i i know i keep coming back to this one point but to me the interpersonal stuff is fascinating because like as far as between her and alec baldwin during their courtship during their raising of their children it's like is she doing that accent at home all the time was she doing it because even if she went back to more her sort of Boston accent like when she's doing like is she talking like a very um privileged person from Boston or more like that and then she goes on the Today Show and she can't remember Cucumber like I'm just really curious of what those interactions were like between her and and Alec Baldwin and also there's this question of like is being Spanish I mean that's not a race

No. Spanish people, I mean, there are all kinds of races, but many of them are white. Sure. Most of them are white.

Right. So that was another part of the initial sort of like way this was framed was that she was essentially pretending. I mean, I don't know if anybody actually said she was pretending to be another race, but she was sort of being accused of a cultural appropriation. But that's like saying you pretended you were German.

Yeah, it is. When you weren't. It's a it's a the cultural appropriation thing, I think, is really I think that's unfair here. Like she it is her culture, like it or not. She has a lot of lived experience in Spain, living there as a Spanish person, not on not as a Spanish person, but like living there among Spaniards, not on vacation. She speaks it fluently like and I was I was thinking about the cucumber thing, too, because, you know, that's the most damning clip. right as the how you say in English and and I was thinking about especially cooking and I think to like being in a in a high pressure event like a like a live today's show spot or something there are certain words I don't know the Spanish word for cucumber but I know that like I think it's the French word for eggplant is aubergine right and it's that's a word where a lot of recipes use that in place of the English word eggplant. And if I were more familiar with recipes that only ever use the word aubergine, I might in a moment of stress, even me, right? Like I, I might, I might forget how to, how to translate that for a second. So I can understand if she's thinking about a recipe that she's only ever seen in Spanish, she's only ever seen the word cucumber in Spanish, there's a moment where she can't do the switch.

And she's on TV, too.

It just seems reasonable to me. I'm not saying it's all, look, it could come out tomorrow that this is a carefully crafted show. Some PR person, disgruntled PR person is like, I have the receipts. And if that happens, like, yeah, sure. Burner at the stake. That's fine. But I don't I just haven't seen enough to make me think that this is anything more than a little bit of Internet piling on. And someone who felt like who was bored one day during quarantine and felt like taking kind of a well, kind of a cheap shot.

I think I'm probably like 51 percent on your side of this of your take on this, Vives. By the way, it's that's how you say cucumber in Espanol. I think I'm mostly with you. I will say, though, that like if I were a person who went to high school with Hillary and I don't know Hilaria Baldwin's name before she took on Baldwin as a last name. But if I went to if I went to high school with somebody in Seattle or Boston and then one day I saw them quite reinvented, I would never stop talking about that. yeah particularly if they were married to alec baldwin i would never i would start and end every single interaction with the story of hillary sure from from um you know uh boston and oh my you will

not believe this shit that's why so much of this of twitter is better as cocktail party gossip and not as public stuff i knew a girl in college who was uh nicole also from like sort of a working class suburb of massachusetts whose name was nicole comes to college changes changes it to Nicolet like now she's Nicolet we used to we used to dunk on her all the time when she wasn't around

for exactly that reason did she pick up an accent of any kind that you guys could determine I don't

know if she had an accent but she seemed you know it seems like something she might have done one one day eventually as the Nicolet persona took over yeah and I think the other part too as

you've already addressed Vives here is is just the level of privilege like it's not quite a story of somebody who was you know born into poverty or who had to sort of like in you know invent themselves so as to be able to survive and thrive in this world it's like somebody who had pretty much outside of being a woman which is obviously uh not great in our society but outside of being a woman this is a person who had pretty much every advantage in life and then chose to go with the i'm gonna lean really hard into this kind of somewhat pretend persona which makes it a little bit less uh not forgivable because she doesn't need my forgiveness but you know what i mean like if she had come if she had grown up in sandusky and like had just like totally invented this persona which this is on my mind because i watch a shitload of this show called american greed right now which is it's a narrated by stacy keach it's produced by bill curtis by the way of wait wait don't tell me fame his production company produces like 80 percent of the television shows you see on tv after a certain hour anything on cnbc after 7 p.m is a bill curtis production but it's just all these stories of people you know who are fraudsters but how they completely reinvented themselves and usually it's like they did it because they were kind of you know trying to make their impression in in a world that didn't really accept them that wouldn't really seem to

be the case with uh Hilaria yeah I agree I think I think her sin is mostly obliviousness um and maybe a little bit of um I would even say possibly subconscious uh sort of capitalizing on the on what on what the parts of her that are more more uh glamorous or exotic yeah and appealing to an

entertainment audience I have to say the idea of a Hilaria Baldwin again not that my conception of her previous to this matters one wit in this world but the idea of this Hilaria Baldwin character that resided in one part of my brain and Hillary Baldwin from Massachusetts resides in a different part of my brain and I think that just has to do with how we I don't want to say fetishize but certainly people from other places are more interesting and exotic to us yeah yeah um all right well uh Andrew do you have anything you'd like to say about this um no just like a third perspective is it not amazing that Genevieve is my girlfriend like for real like you are so smart I was just sitting here thinking like I could just listen to you two talk all day

well I'm I'm glad my contrarian take on Hilaria Baldwin was able to be of some use to that was

great. And you know what? As a show of gratitude, Vives, I promise not to bring up any TV commercials for a period of two business weeks. He won't get through the show. He won't get through today she'll not even get to the emails i literally will you know why because we're about to talk about joe biden's peloton which there's no way that's not gonna get to i'm sorry i'm just as god made me all right thanks appreciate you all right um i'm actually

very interested in this peloton story i did not know anything about this at all i am wondering

if this isn't a bit of a well it's from popular mechanics i saw it in the new york post because i don't subscribe to popular mechanics is um some special feed they have some you know some some content that you have to pay for and i'm of the many things i'm subscribing to currently popular mechanics is not on the list so i saw it in the new york post which initially made me suspicious because the new york post is you know um they don't lean uh they don't lean liberal in fact If anything, they are leaning more conservative, although even for them, Trump has of late gone too far. So they're they're roasting Trump as well.

But and they're also always look clickbaity as well, no matter what exactly, you know, politically agnostic. Some of these stories are just also very suspicious.

Totally. Like what? Yeah. Whether it's just the clickbaitiness of it or their their antipathy towards Democrats, you can't really trust a lot of stuff. They're right. That being said, this headline got my attention. Joe Biden may be banned from bringing Peloton bike to White House. First of all, I was amazed to know that at 78 years old, Joe Biden starts his morning by riding a Peloton. Like, first of all, what I think is somebody has been in a class with Joe Biden. Does he list Joe Biden? Because are you familiar with I mean, I'm sure you understand the broad strokes of Peloton.

Yeah, I think you can also get personal classes, too, is my guess. I could be wrong about that but I think you can get one-on-one lessons but the reason I'm laughing right now is I just clicked the link that you sent me and the Photoshop image that they use is like something that I would do only more bizarre it's just like a really fit guy, a fit shirtless guy in shorts riding a Peloton and they just took a goofy-ass image of Biden's face making a yelly face and just smacked it over top of it. It's amazing

I don't think I even saw that picture.

Oh, because you have a printout. Okay, I'll resend you the link. It is art. It is so beautiful. But anyway, yeah, so I do know that at Peloton, you can sign up for classes. You have the thing in your own house, and you can still do these kind of like studio classes with a bunch of people linked up over the Internet. But my point on this is my guess is if you're Joe Biden, you also might just be able to use your Peloton to do one-on-ones.

Yeah, you know, it never even occurred to me, but I'm sure that is also a feature. I always think of I've never ridden on a peloton probably nor will I cycling is not I like riding a bike you know on the beach or something but cycling is not really my thing but what I always think of it is that this like class of you know I don't know a hundred people and then somebody very fit in a studio in New York leading it and giving shout outs to the different people for hitting their goals and what I think is funny is that it was possible that Joe Biden was in one of these classes at some point um and if his name was joe biden they probably assumed it was somebody who just picked that name because there's probably a hundred people signed up on peloton whose name is some derivation of joe biden just because there's enough people in the system and it's a famous name at this point um but the the concern and and i don't know if there it doesn't even appear that anybody in this article either the new york post one or the popular mechanics piece actually like they didn't actually get to anybody in the secret service who was willing to say president-elect biden is not going to be allowed to bring his peloton so that's why this is in the realm of kind of pretty much just speculation yeah but the uh the problem is these pelotons have a microphone a camera and access to the internet and so there are concerns that that could be used as a way to hack into the White House. Now, I have an almost bottomless amount of, this is a weird way to put it, but my faith in the abilities of hackers to figure things out is almost bottomless, which is sad. Like, they're just very, they have nothing but time and they're smart and they usually figure stuff out. So I'm not ruling out that it could happen because certainly I don't know enough about cybersecurity to say definitively. My sense is there's a way to probably do it. I also feel like Trump having his own phone most of the time in the White House is like a way more dangerous thing, wouldn't you think?

Yeah, I mean, that's what I was, you know, that's where my brain was going to and not to get into the whole what about the emails thing. But I mean, that it's hard for your brain not to think about what's happened in the past four years and what we think of as national security. And I mean, this this story today, as you tell it to me, and I'm looking at it here.

the new york post you know it's it's almost cute in its innocence and this return to innocence of we're gonna like start taking this stuff seriously again which i you know i do i think they should take it seriously i think it's a step in the right direction uh getting into more territory that i'm slightly more comfortable by the way i'm seeing this photo now it's unbelievable it is so

beautiful and i can't i see it's like they updated that maybe they wanted to get more clicks because the the picture that i saw when i looked this article up andrew was of actual joe biden riding

like a mountain bike with a security detail oh really no it was not updated this one where they sent me this link so they must have just updated it but they must have just added this it's incredible um they have very clearly credited it to getty images slash new york post illustration um but anyway spell it new york post illustratin oh you're right i didn't even write illustration right which isn't illustrating illustrating um okay what i don't you think that um there would i mean if this were an important thing or if this is at all important to the sitting president no matter who it is they would find a way to have this in there on a on a secure system of some sort right like okay maybe don't put the peloton right in the oval office like with the camera appointed at the nuclear code. Yeah. Or at the couches where you're having, you know, sit downs with heads of state. But is there not a room somewhere in the White House that they can, you know, remove every everything from and just have this in there? And do you not suspect that they have various types of maybe, you know, Internet systems in there at varying levels of security? and you could hook this one up to more of a straight line. You know what I mean? Like, I just don't think that this thing is going to bring down democracy, especially not after the last four years that we just lived through.

Well, yeah, and apparently, according to this article, Michelle Obama had a Peloton, and that's exactly what they did. They just took the camera and the Internet connectivity off of it.

Oh, okay. Well, because that was another thing, too. I was like, a Peloton might also just be a really nice piece of equipment even if you're not doing the classes.

well I think you could now I don't know enough about the system like maybe the camera does something where it's also monitoring your movement or some sort of biofeedback but I have a feeling that if you take the camera off you don't lose that much of the functionality it's just and and also I know that these like my guess is that these Peloton workouts are online somewhere saved you know what I mean like if you're paying the monthly I think you can just go on there and go on whatever their version of Peloton YouTube is and just watch any class you want to watch that's already been taped and just ride along with it. And so my feeling is there's got to be a way for Joe Biden to still ride on this this bike if he wants to, considering that Michelle Obama has already done it. By the way, does not that doesn't that track perfectly with how we conceive of these people? Joe Biden's pretty fit. He's got this bike. And again, I don't want to get into, I don't know, weird territory in terms of body types. But it's like then you got Michelle Obama, who just seems like, of course, she was probably up at five doing a peloton workout before she set about trying to you know promote healthy eating and all the other things that she worked on then uh donald trump he had a fake golf like he had a basically golf tee put in the white house that was what he did some sort of electronics and sort of interactive yeah like virtual golf thing so he could because he wasn't getting enough golf i mean it's tough being president you can only golf four to five times a week right right and so on those days you know those two to three other days out of the week you still got to get you know your swings in that's when you go to where michelle obama once had a peloton and you swing a golf club because of course as trump famously believes everyone starts off with a certain amount of video game life on their character and when you work out you lose some of it well i mean in his

defense i remember george w bush had a brush clearing virtual game i believe in the white house where when he couldn't clear brush down in texas he would just go into the um like the star wars what do you call that deck in star wars why did i even bring this up where you can is it the simulation deck you know what i'm talking about right people go into it and they have fantasies and they seem real no that's a star wars thing star trek next generation doesn't matter shouldn't

have brought it up shouldn't have brought it up i think it's good though we've been able to sorry we've been able to mess up all of the stars today yeah you got your stars wars your stars trek you're hilarious you're hilarious i that was a boy i wouldn't shut up about that brush clearing back when that was a common thing now i actually probably have more i sort of am a little bit more open to the idea now i guess maybe in my kind of middle age and when i'm more inclined towards doing things purely for their like relaxing effects puttering yeah i mean it's I guess it's just puttering, but.

But man, when that footage will come out of a George W. Bush clearing brush on his ranch, like with the media there observing him brush clearing, I was like, I know there's a way to get somebody to do this for you. Yes, right. I promise you that you can get somebody to get out there with a chainsaw and clear this brush. It just felt so staged to me, although, to be honest, and maybe this is, again, one of the many disorienting things about the presidency that we are mercifully close to the end of is it distorts so much stuff even that came before it. Like now I think of George W. Bush, who's, you know, very possibly a war criminal. I consider him to just be like so much more likable than before I knew Donald Trump would be president of this country. And a protector of liberty. Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so I guess it was like now I would not be shocked to know that George W. Bush or to find out that he still goes out and clear some brush without the fanfare now, because it might it might just be one of those puttering things that he just likes doing because it relaxes him, even though, again, he could get somebody to clear his brush in Crawford.

Sure. Absolutely. Well, first of all, I mean, what's a New Haven man supposed to do? A New Haven man has to clear brush. I mean, it's just in your blood from the moment that you're you're born up there in the Northeast. But I will say, though, that the idea of clearing brush does sort of like I've never done that, although I did grow up. Oh, it's a property where we definitely like would cut trails to ride our motorcycles and dune buggies through and stuff. And so, of course, I and I'm just a born putter here in my home and kitchen as a renter. Now, I know that if I had some land and I could clear brush, I would be out there clearing brush. It actually does sound very therapeutic in a certain way and probably some decent exercise. But you also just it is a light. It is like Hilaria, right? Like, you just know that this, you know, this guy putting on like cosplaying up like a Texan and going to clear brush with just a hundred of his favorite reporters is just like that is a put on.

Yeah, absolutely. I also, again, I don't want to get super political because, you know, that's not necessarily what people turn to this show for. But if it turns out that – well, first of all, the fact that according to this article that that was what happened with Michelle Obama, that the stuff was removed for secret security or sort of purposes, and that if Biden is to have this bike, he'll probably go through that too. it's just such a return to actually caring about the norms and about the professionals you work with can you see a universe in which don trump would ever for one second agree to anything that he felt inconvenienced him because of national security like you know what i mean like this is a guy who's in mar-a-lago like texting on his phone with i forget who like in in a packed ballroom full of just random Mar-a-Lago like customers like you think this guy would if he were a peloton type would take the camera off his peloton it's like it's just nice to know even if this is bs even if this is just sort of cooked up as a story it's nice to know that the people who it's referring to i.e joe biden actually take the job seriously enough that they probably would be like well i guess i'm gonna have to find a different workout or i guess i'm gonna have to modify this bike just the fact that that even is even matters again is really a breath of fresh air yeah and i

hope that maybe we can, I don't know, can you re-institute norms in a certain way? Because after what Trump did was he lowered the standards so far. And, you know, depending on who came in after him. Now, obviously, I think that, you know, Biden and Harris are coming and they know that their role is to kind of re-establish some norms of America and respectability and everything that goes along with that. And so they're going to be very careful, I assume, and also try to project that as much as possible but you somebody of either party could have come in and taken advantage of the incredibly low bar that uh that he has set that trump has set now again maybe biden will i mean we'll we'll see i don't want to be overly partisan about this but i i kind of think that at least they're going to try to project this image of just carefulness and again like steady tracking it um but yeah i i do hope that maybe if we can get four or eight or or or more years of of and again either party in this case of just like kind of re-establishing norms of respectability that would do the country some good because i i think that we've been bruised in some pretty bad ways that may you know that are almost certain to rear their ugly head again right it's like we have

to build up enough we have to rebuild the norms enough over the course of the next four to eight years that then when whoever comes in next even if they're a republican they're back on the norms train they might disagree

politically with the democrats etc but they like at least respect the office to the degree that george w bush did yeah right you know what i mean which is really saying something did you see that um the my pillow guy oh my god do you want to see this he there's you know apparently that's trump's last ally is mike lindell and he um basically it's you know he's like got all these conspiracy theories and he's a q anon head and all these things but he um was telling a reporter something about how all this like dominion vote fraud stuff uh was is in front of the supreme court and that all of the evidence is there and the reporter from nbc said well can you send me that evidence and first he sent a blank attachment and then the reporter followed up and said that attachment was blank and then he sent another blank attachment and then eventually he just sent like a screen cap of some kind of illegible handwriting

I mean it's probably that invisible ink stuff I used to use that as a kid to make sure that nobody could read you have to hold up to a candle or something or you put something with candle wax I mean I'm sure he's just being super careful which it seems weird that you would mock him for that when we were just talking about bringing some security back to the White House that's fair

here I go once again with the email every week I hope that it's from a female no man It's not from a female.

All right. Any of the emails jumping out at you today? Any of the emails written in invisible ink? Yes. I'm going to read one right now. Okay.

And that is from Dennis in Cleveland. No. Here's what I want to get into today, because I knew that we would get a bunch of emails on this, because we had asked for a bunch of emails on this. But I'd like you to set it up, Luke. You were talking about how there may be an opportunity based on where you live to get the coronavirus vaccine or one of them. But you were a little bit in a moral quandary about it because while it as far as you know, it would be legal and fair for you to get it. Now, are you jumping in line essentially, you know, before other people who might need it more? Did I articulate that correctly?

Yes, exactly. Like I had heard that they were basically giving out the vaccine to anybody who would show up because they were trying. They just wanted to basically there was more vaccine than there was demand for whatever bizarre reason. I don't mean nationally, but just in Oregon.

Right. And so and I had said, like, I don't know much about this, but I think you should if it's if you're allowed to and you're not doing anything duplicitous, go ahead, get the shot. I think we need these shots in people's arms more more than anything else. And, you know, and hopefully the people who need them the most get them first. But if you're allowed, you should just get it. And I was a little bit uncertain about giving you that advice, too, because I wasn't sure if I was being irresponsible. But it seems like everybody agrees with that mentality. We've been getting emails and text messages and tweets about it. I want to share this one from a doctor named Ian, who says, I am a doctor, not usually treating COVID patients. but I did spend some time on the COVID ward back in the spring. In short, I think you should get the vaccine shot. It's an unstable vaccine, and it does have to be given shortly after thawing it, so there are a lot of logistical challenges to getting it to people in a timely fashion, which is further complicating a disorganized and decentralized vaccination strategy. It is completely realistic to expect that doses may go to waste if not administered. Ultimately, though, you are not in a high-priority demo. one more person vaccinated sooner is still a good thing moreover moreover that's how you know he's a doctor yeah moreover the more work you do to put yourself in a position to get it the less work the system has to do to make it available to you so by taking measures to receive an extra vaccine dose when there is not a higher priority patient to receive it you're actively helping the vaccine delivery system by getting in front of it now i'm not going to read i'm not going to continue to read directly here but ian dr ian does say if you do this make sure that you let your medical providers know let you know fill out all the proper paperwork so the system knows because it would be bad news if you already got your vaccine but the system didn't know it and while they're trying to this system capital s you know again health care providers insurance um the government who's administering this there in oregon make sure that everybody knows that you got it so they don't have to waste time and resources tracking you down, thinking that you're somebody who has not got the shot already. Right. Well, Andrew, I got the shot.

You didn't wait. You didn't wait to hear from Dr. Ian? I did honestly wait to see how the listeners felt about it. Like I was, you know, I wanted to know if I was somehow misreading the situation and maybe we only.

heard from people who were pro you know me getting the shot but I was expecting there to be like it to be 50 50 and some of them to be like you're a horrible monster but the feedback was really consistent which was like if you can get the shot if you don't if it doesn't involve misrepresenting yourself and if they're trying to just if they want to get this shot in as many people's arms as possible for whatever bizarre reason uh by that I mean I think even in the state of Oregon I i can't imagine every teacher and first responder and person over the age of 65 has the shot you know and i would my preference would be for all of those people and everybody with any kind of underlying conditions to have it before me that being said on saturday i drove down there and it was 15 minutes they had the national guard out uh-huh you just walk in the whole

on those back up actually i'm gonna i'm gonna really drill you for details on all of this explain explain where there is what is the scene what is the clinic like it was at the um salem

convention center and i wonder if this was specific to this location i don't know what the story is at the other places you can get the shot at this place they had the national guard it was like not empty but very nearly empty you you drive onto the like it's where like the state fair is in oregon okay drive on there you pull into this line of cars where there was again no line i pulled right up to a very nice young national guards person pointed me in the direction of where to go uh i went through another line um gave them my information they noted my insurance which i think is to dr ian's point cool and then had you know and then i just walked over and a retired nurse gave me a shot and so but you you walked over though you went into a clinic and you sat down it's not a clinic it's like it's like a giant convention hall okay that's probably used for a variety of things it's indoors but very large of course everybody's masked up everybody's six feet apart it's like a very controlled environment and they just have like table after table after table with medical professionals and some retired medical professionals there to just

give the shot you know another thing and I think I kind of glossed over this what Dr. Ian was saying about making sure that you do all the responsible things about notification etc also it's very much on you to make sure that you I'm assuming this is the Moderna or it's Pfizer it's the Pfizer one okay so that's a dual shot one too right so I guess the only two that are approved right now are dual shots so you have to make sure that it's on you to get that second shot is something that Ian was encouraging do you have plans for that or what did they tell you about that yeah they give

you a little card and they just told me february 6th is when i'd be eligible for the second shot and i have five days from february 6th to get the second shot that's really cool man this is really

cool i'm very excited about this the um the governor here in washington state governor insley gave a press conference yesterday that was about more expanded um uh you know vaccine distribution and a more aggressive plan um the the government here has been very very careful uh in in all they have so many grids and charts where things are broken up into phases and then in each phase there are tiers this goes for both like the shutdown and reopening of establishments and they're they're applying it as well to um to the vaccine rollout which is it all when you look at it on paper it always makes it makes a lot of sense and it's very clear like who's eligible when etc etc hearing him talk about it though just saying well people in tier one of of phase a b and then they're adding like phase 1b and like it's it's so hilarious to hear him talk about anyway i see yesterday around 255 that the governor is going to give a press conference about vaccination roll out at three o'clock i'm like okay i'll tune into the live stream of that to see what he has to say and you already know what he has to say because people are already kind of leaking it you know it's going to be about this vaccination thing yet there's still a part of me and this is this is a real thing that i am like well i should just watch it because he might mention when teddy's is going to open like it's not even like when restaurants are going to open but like i'm waiting for him to actually that is how deranged my mind is and it really tells you something about my priorities doesn't it um but uh one of my buddies who works there texted me the other day and they thought they were opening a few weeks ago and of course they're not um and so like i just keep on thinking like oh is this gonna be the press conference where jay insley stops everything and says hey andrew this is important for you the corner bar will be reopening on this particular date

I would be amazing if he specifically names Teddy's every bar in the state of Washington. He goes like, and I'm happy to announce Teddy's will be open for limited business. What is the I mean, I don't know what the story is here in Oregon. It just seems like we're kind of in this like suspended animation. Like I haven't even seen any news about the possibility of reopening anything.

Have you seen anything in Washington?

Yeah, and I'll muddle my way through this because I don't have it in front of me. And again, it goes to one of those kind of phased reopening charts where nothing has actually happened yet. But I think it was when we were on our road trip. So about two weeks ago, I believe that the governor released kind of revised reopening, I guess a reopening strategy. And the changes have been that he's breaking up the state differently as far as regions are concerned instead of just counties. I'm not exactly sure what the what the upshot of that is, but also, you know, tying tying the possibility of reopening to some very specific benchmarks. I think there are like four benchmarks which are tied to like, you know, the actual COVID rate, the death rate, but also like how full hospitals are in each region. And you need to see like a very specific decrease in all four categories of these things before we can go to the next phase, which would be like 25 percent capacity in some eating establishments. Right now, though, it's everything is totally closed except for outdoor dining, which I know, you know, I tried having a beer with a friend outside a few weeks ago and it was just so cold and I didn't even get beer. I got tea and I kept my mask on the whole time. I was just like so cold. The outdoor the outdoor heating elements just didn't seem to be doing it for me. I don't think I I can handle the cold very well, generally speaking. So I was like, this is not worth it to me.

Yeah, my I mean. I've got a lot of theories considering I have no formal training in the area of epidemiology. And I'm also frequently wrong, but it's not going to stop me. It just feels almost like at this point, it's just going to be at what point do we have enough people vaccinated? Like, I don't know. I don't know if flattening, you know, if flattening the curve is possible while still allowing people to gather in any sense. You know what I mean? Like, because what happened, you know, in the summer was the curve. we flattened the curve and then the curve was you know we unflattened it it just seems like it's pretty direct it's like if if you tell people that they cannot gather then the curve flattens and if you allow them to gather then it starts going back up again yeah um which just sucks because you know i'm i am lonely and i would like to be out you know socializing with people but i don't know what the i don't i just to me it feels like i've got a lot riding on just hope There's two more vaccines that are apparently looking like they could get approval here in the next couple of weeks. And it feels to me like the more vaccines that are approved, just the more product that's out there, right? And so if there's any way to just – if we can just get to herd immunity ASAP, I think that's going to really be – I mean, maybe I'm being overly pessimistic. Maybe there's a world in which things can kind of reopen in the spring and, you know, we don't have to be at whatever they say the number is 80 or 90 percent. Because Lord knows we're very far away from that right now.

Yeah. Is it AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson? Or there's a different name for the Johnson & Johnson, right? There's the Dr. Bronner's, which is, to be honest with you, untested.

It's just a vaccine.

I do not want the Tom's of Maine vaccine.

The Dr. Bronner's one, if you take the vaccine, you understand what all the writing on a Dr. Bronner's shampoo bottle means.

Oh, hey, I got a tweet. Oh, we never talked about getting off of Twitter. I wanted to talk about that, too. I've been really, because that was part of the Alec Baldwin conversation. But I honestly think that Alec Baldwin getting off of Twitter, good idea, right? And I'm starting to think Andrew Walsh getting off of Twitter, good idea. And it's nothing huge. It's just like, well, whatever. We don't have to get into all this at the end of the show. But I may, it may be, I mean, what is the point of deleting my account, I guess? I guess I could just take it off my phone and stop using it. I still like to read certain things on Twitter, but I'm sort of just sick of Twitter writ large and my place on it. Like, I'm thinking about this, like, maybe, I don't know, man. I feel bad doing that, though, because, like, I feel like it's a way for people to reach out to us. And I've always been very proud on this show of this, what I feel like, direct link that we have with our listeners. And I'm not just saying that as a platitude. On the other hand, I feel like I keep on peeling away ways people can interact with us. Like I got really sick of Facebook and I got off it. Have no regrets about that. I'm so happy not to be on Facebook anymore. I feel like Twitter might be similar, although I'd have to work a little bit harder to like maybe search out like the latest news without it. But I don't want to like be like, hey, we're insular. We only do this podcast. We talk down the line to you and then we disappear from the internet. Like, that's not a really great relationship to have. But I do think that, like, I just the benefits of Twitter, generally speaking, for me and maybe broadly speaking, although I don't want to tell other people how to do.

is just like very limited and i feel like it is it does have something to do with the medium itself you know what i mean people writing things that might without getting into detail although you can probably assume what i'm alluding to people writing things that might be like an essay in a book of short stories that might be a little bit eye-rolly end up having you know authorities knocking on their door because they wrote it on twitter instead like there is something wrong with

the medium yeah i don't actually know the specific thing you're referring to with that I won't get into it here, but but yeah, like it's also there's something about the brevity, which is, of course, part of why Twitter has been successful, but also which makes it feel very shouty. Yeah. At times. Yeah. Because you just you don't. And the other problem with it is that it's probably it's probably like reducing my attention span or shortening my attention span as well, because. now it's like you know if like someone will write a Twitter thread which is all of like 11 tweets which probably the whole thing takes under one minute to read but I'll be like do I have time for this thread like there was a time in my life where I would regularly read you know long magazine pieces about a topic but now it's like so I can feel I can feel that part of my brain kind of withering away too which is not good so yeah I'm with you of course right when i was about to packet it on twitter i randomly had a tweet get retweeted like 4 000 times yeah which really like resupplied you told me about re-up from the plug what was it again it was a good one so dumb it was it just a joke about trump being the only snl host to be oh yeah

yeah that's a good joke yeah it's fine but i mean it was of all the of all the silly things i say

on twitter that one getting that kind of attention was surprising to me but yeah i'm with you i mean maybe it'll also maybe things will ease up a bit when we get settled into a biden harris administration and some sense of what we consider normalcy kind of returns to life maybe but as of right now i mean i really do i'm i find myself looking at twitter every morning because i want to know what's going on in the world and always feeling worse for it yeah and

yeah i don't want to get into it too much but also just like good well-meaning people sometimes getting at you in moments where they maybe think they're being helpful just in the past couple of weeks i've just been like gotta get off this thing like just didn't need that right now just know you mean well but didn't need that right now i've just had like more and more of those moments and it's kind of like well then i could not look at twitter but sometimes i'm gonna be like well what's what are people talking about all of that is to say let me bring the nose up on this negativity train to say that somebody used twitter this morning in a way that i truly appreciate to reach out to us uh listener danny said since it's dolly parton's birthday today oh which i didn't know about it's january 19th uh and she's uh 75 years old today that's a nice round number um may i suggest that y'all play even using y'all because we're talking about dolly parton which i really appreciate light and i think danny's from arkansas so he comes by oh okay good i didn't know that oh there it is you're right this is that danny we only have 10 listeners uh light of a clear Danny I need you to only listen to the show online after downloading it and running it through your podcatcher app light of a clear blue morning is the song that Danny would like us to play by Dolly Parton I don't know this song but it sounds beautiful already I feel like we have

an association with this song I don't know if Flash used to love this song and have a whole kind of riff on it or if it was a listener or if i'm just completely misremembering but i i remember a detailed and compelling discussion around this song which by the way i am not somebody who has a huge amount of experience with so um it's it feels like a song of hope it feels like a a hopeful song that will help us all remember that we're entering a new year and hopefully a new phase in life here in this country where the president is huffing and puffing away on his exercise bike sans camera while getting briefs uh briefings about important things like trying to tamp down this uh pandemic so yeah it seems like a good way to go out today all right then thanks everybody for listening we are going to be right back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you until then enjoy your tuesday take care of yourselves take care of each other and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all

It's been a long dark night And I've been waiting for the morning It's been a long, hard fight But I see a brand new day dawning I've been looking for the sun

You know, I ain't seen it in so long But everything's gonna work out just fine And everything's gonna be alright It's been all wrong

Cause I can see the light of a clear blue morning I can see the light of a brand new day I can see the light of a clear blue morning

Oh and everything's gonna be alright It's going to be okay. It's been a long, long time since I've known the taste of it.

Power out.