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So then I said to Woody Allen, well, Camus can do, but Sartre is smart-tra. So original.

How droll.

Yeah, well, Scooby-Doo can do-do, but Jimmy Carter is smarter.

T-B-T-L! Why now? What are they doing? And how can you steer clear of it all?

Uh, driver, do you know a place called, uh, where was it? I had it here someplace. Uh, it was, uh, Bayview, Baytown.

We got a Bay Ridge, lady. That's in Brooklyn. Over in Jersey, you got your Bayonne. Now, out on the island, you got your Bayshore, your Bayville, your Bayside.

Bayside. That's it. Bayside. Well, if it makes you feel better, I'd rather be up here with you than down there with those teenage people with their memes and their hashtags and Drake, Drakes. Oh, snap! This comedian was crazy in the 80s with his raw and delirious routines. Jared! Oh, he's hilarious, dog. Who is Rick Moranis?

All right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Wednesday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

It does not bother me. In fact, I kind of like it.

My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host.

Hi, everybody.

Coming to you from the more or less abandoned city, and by the way, that's probably a good thing, of Las Vegas, Nevada. Vegas, baby! Vegas! Where I am working on a TV story about sports betting, but boy, oh boy, there's a tumbleweed blew down Las Vegas Boulevard yesterday. It's never been in this town with this few people. And again, I don't think that's such a bad thing. But it's an interesting place to be this time in our our world experience. And we've got an interesting show in store for you. I know that was a power segue into telling you that this is episode three thousand three hundred and sixty one in a collector series. Let the fun begin. And we have much to talk about. a couple of stories that we couldn't get to on yesterday's episode, including the real story on your Nintendo cartridge and if blowing into it actually helped it connect with the Nintendo machine. Discman's flappy discs and Nintendo Power Glove. Also, a couple days ago, I saw a story that just really chilled me to my core, And it was that the young people of the world have finally gotten together and been able to agree on something. And that something is that there is one emoji that indicates that you are an old.

My face, your face, instant face. Go talk to whoever you want that does that stuff.

And it is, in fact, my favorite emoji. We will reveal that. But also, oh, a story that I didn't write down on my little show sheet, but that I did want to talk about as well, involving dentists weighing in on if you should brush your teeth before or after you have your coffee.

This song goes out to all the coffee lovers of the world.

So we may talk about that as well. And also, something is going on with Larry King's will, which is not a huge surprise, let's be honest. If I said, guess what, there's going to be an argument over Larry King's last will and testament, most of you would say, yeah. that checks out but there is something about the life and times of larry king that i've seen now in two different articles and i am quite surprised that it is the case we will talk about it as well all of that will be discussed with this young man the longest running cobro of the show he may be best known for his drawings of the tall ships he is andrew oh yeah walsh and he's joining me right now from the roosevelt neighborhood of seattle washington good morning my friend

good morning luke if i sound slightly nervous today it's because i understand we might have some new listeners from the tony kornheiser show i don't know if that's really happening or not but some weird stuff was happening online yesterday sometimes you talk about an analogy or you reference an analogy of a snowball rolling downhill picking up steam and debris and all kinds of things. That sort of happened in a text chain yesterday. I'll tell you about it here very quickly.

Yeah, please. Also, I can't decide if I'm relieved that you didn't tell me we may have Tony Kornheiser-related listeners or if I'm kind of mad because maybe I would have put more oomph into this show had I known. No, you're doing great.

No, you're doing great, actually. I was thinking this is the type of thing that the littles would enjoy. I think they call themselves littles. I'm looking it up now. I don't understand

Why? But he calls, you know, they called themselves little fans, the Kornheiser heads. They don't go with Kornheiser head. They don't. They don't go with Kornheiser. But I'm out of my I'm out of my depth here. That's all I know. I know that Kornheiser is, you know, I know that he's a bit of a cult personality and much beloved. I mean, I think you were telling me about him years and years and years ago before I paid attention to any kind of sports related content. But what happened was somebody, two listeners were tweeting at each other and copied us in the tweet. I don't know if copied is the right word, but just go with it. And they said, hey, I think you, me, and one other person also tagged here are the three people in the universe who are both tens and littles at the same time. Oh. And I jumped in and I said, actually, I think there's a fourth person because I'm a friend of hers. Her name is Gretchen Wu, and I met her in Los Angeles, one of my very first friends in Los Angeles. and I know that she knew me from TBTL, but I also knew that she had a moment in the spotlight on the Kornheiser show for some reason. And I said, she's not on social media, but I believe her name, but, you know, I think it's okay to use her name, her full name, because I think Tony was using it. Suddenly, the Twitters blew up. You know Gretchen Wu? She was a big deal on the show for a while. I'm still unclear why, Luke. It had something to do with voicemails being sent in and hats being sent around and people taking pictures of her at sporting events. And then suddenly a bunch of other people who I do not recognize, other listeners of the Kornheiser, start jumping in the chain. Whoa, we know Gretchen Wu. Wait, Andrew also eats over the sink? Somehow that got pulled into the conversation. Apparently there's some overlap there. People are like, these two communities have some overlap. Now I feel like, I mean, buckle up. We may have literally three or four new listeners today. And that's a lot of pressure is my point.

I would just like to take this opportunity to welcome any and all hyzer heads who who are checking this show out for the first time it's very nice to have you here so what basically happened was a person that you know turned out to be a bigger deal in that universe than you realized and when you when you sort of put that name out there all of a sudden there was a flurry of activity and interest

Yeah, she had told me, and I knew that she had been a TBTL listener. I don't think she is anymore, so I don't know how to take that. And also, I don't know if she listens to the Kornheiser show anymore either. But all I know is one time when I was seeing her in L.A., she had mentioned that she was kind of having a moment. And what I thought to be like, I thought she sent in an email or something, and it got read on the show or a voicemail. I didn't realize that she was kind of a known quantity. She was a, you know, maybe the equivalent of a perfect 10 for us, you know, Nick in Florida. I don't know, but it does seem like our two shows share a sort of vibe as far as, you know, community is concerned. And then people are finding some crossover in that community and getting pretty excited about it. And I want to, you know, I think it's a big ask for people to be kind of loyal as a weird world, but to keep a foot in in two different podcast communities like this. I mean, I'm sure it can be done. I know that I have not done that myself, but, you know, I'd love to win them over. I mean, maybe even pick a few off. Like, how about that? How about that? Well, hold on. As I reference another sports podcast with a cult following.

I know what you mean, though, in that for the listeners to this show, the really, really like, you know, P1s. It's a full time job just being part of the TPTL universe. First of all, there's the hour plus a day Monday through Friday of the listening to this. Then there's the Slack channel. There's mailing out. You know, there's having pen pals. There's playing bingo at home. There's the Facebook page It's a real time intensive thing Oh there's the money donation

Yeah there's buying new phones after you've smashed yours After hearing me try to describe the relationship Of the royal family amongst themselves

There's going to your job So that you have money So that you can donate to TV Tales So we can have this be our job I mean it's a big thing and you're right To have that sort of level of engagement With two different shows That's two full time jobs right there I am a fan of Tony Kornheiser's. He, of course, had has a talk show in D.C., has had a talk show in D.C. for years. But he came to national prominence when he was teamed with Michael Wilbon on Pardon the Interruption, which was just kind of like one of the first of those. They're just two really smart, interesting, kind of irascible dudes. And just watching them, you know, disagree on on various sports topics was always it's always been a delight. The other thing is, and that's kind of where Lebitard, I think, really started to get his national TV exposure, was he would fill in on Pardon the Interruption a lot for either Kornheiser or Wilbon. But the thing about Pardon the Interruption, PTI, as those in the know would call it, that's just so genius. It's such a simple thing. But it's the first show that I remember where they had that list on the side of the screen about everything they were going.

to be talking about yes and it is i'll tell you what you put 12 sports topics up on the side of the screen i am going to be interested in one of them and i am going to watch this whole thing to see the thing that says ichiro's cleats yeah right and i don't know what that means but i want

to be there for it when it happens isn't that also the show and i could be wrong on this but i feel like there is also a segment or a policy on that show to put a timer up there they go well i was gonna say they go around the horn but that's a different show but they would you know let everybody have their takes but didn't they put a ticking timer like you're only allowed 30 seconds

per topic i yes i think that they would do that you know that was the structure of their show and now that has been you know uh oft repeated and all of those sports shows oh my god andrew uh this the story that i'm doing is about it's really about the expansion of of sports betting um um throughout the country because there was a supreme court decision a few years ago that uh basically said it's it's not constitutional that only the state of nevada can have legalized sports betting um and so it's expanding so we're here we're visiting this one particularly enormous sports book meaning the place you go make sports bets at this uh hotel in old town in las vegas called um circa and i have never seen i've just never seen a site like this sports book there i'm thinking of it because yesterday while we were there filming there was lots and lots of these talking head sports shows going on but like mina was on one of them mina kimes and she was easily seven stories tall her head like i've never seen these people uh on these you know these professional sports pundits i've never seen them at like the jumbo the jumbotron size it was just like it was an unreal sight this whole place was just totally just totally the scale of it was just i and i kept trying to take pictures of it and make little videos of it so i could like send it to you to show you how crazy it is and i couldn't capture yeah how over the top large it is like the perspective is off with my phone but trust me it's quite something to see and um you've just really never watched one of those pti or around the horn shows until the people are literal giants

until you're like on your knees quaking yes fear like anything you want please yes i'm sorry i'm sorry woody page of the denver herald or whatever um i'm picturing like blade runner sort of like were they also like holograms kind of walking through the streets giving hot takes yeah it

was i mean i'll be honest with you we ended up having a really good time we got some great footage but i was mortified yesterday andrew because what you have is it's kind of like a stadium style where we were well first we were filming in this tv studio because there's a there's a 24-hour network just about gambling just about sports betting and it's that's really quite something to observe it's called v-sin it's like how do you i mean this is coming from the guy who does five to ten hours of podcasting a week about nothing but i don't understand how they do 19 hours a day of live programming about sports betting and i just don't understand how there's enough content to fill that many hours to just go well the line at westgate casino on the dodgers just moved by a half a percentage point for them to be the favorites to win the world series okay that happened i don't know where you go with that but somehow they're doing it but anyway we're filming there but then there came the time where they wanted me to interview you know safely from a distance masked up etc etc some people about their sports bets but what that involved me doing was waiting until someone went up and placed a sports bet oh when I say it's a stadium like there's all these seats where you can watch these crazy large screens kind of almost like a theater like a movie theater and I would then have to go try to locate the person and from 10 feet away through my mask yell to them over the noise of all the TVs hi I'm with CBS Sunday morning and we're doing a story about sports betting and I noticed you just placed a sports bet would you be interested in talking to us which is just that's just you know not my favorite part of the job anyway I just feel kind of embarrassed but this was particularly weird because of all the protocols and safety stuff and noise and masks and then there was the part where they needed to film me like five times just walking down these stairs towards where the sports bets happened and everybody is watching me there's and granted the place was not full at all it was actually mostly empty but there was maybe 20 people in there and all 20 people were just looking at the weird guy who is walking down the stairs 15 times staring at his notebook because it was part of the setup of this bit we did where i placed some sports bets and it was just everything that makes me feel insecure in the world.

happening at the same time it was rough here he comes mr podcaster did you sort of is it here she comes or there she is whatever the miss america song is is what i was singing there did did they have that sort of vibe like you just keep doing this walk over and over while people are just sort of like looking up at the tvs and me yeah and do they have do they have uh betting forums in their hands by any chance is anybody like kind of like hitting their thigh angrily with a betting

form you mean like a racing form yeah or like a betting book or something like a like a gill from the simpsons yeah right yeah right exactly that was my last shoelace right as his horse

fails to come in right punching punching the top of your hat out any of that going on

no it was pretty everybody seemed you know like they were you know only playing with money they were okay with uh losing i guess there wasn't any sad sacks there uh but it well there was a sad sack it was called me yeah and it was called me just performatively doing this thing and everyone and also nobody wanted to be like everyone was trying to act kind of nonchalant about it i could tell but they were because it's very weird when you bring a television camera or television cameras into an environment because you have a couple of different responses one is i'm annoyed that this is here don't film me don't point that in my direction the other is i want to be on yeah i I want to be on the Tonight Show. This is a different network. Put me on. Where's Jay Leno? I want to talk to Jay Leno. Okay, great. Can you please leave? Are you duff? Wait, that's a little dated. I liked it. God, I wish I had my bell. I'm also so underprepared right now. No, listen.

I'll give myself a ding. I forgot. Tell me when I get a ding and I'll ding myself.

Okay. All right. I forgot to bring my bell. I forgot to bring my little sound machine with those sound effects on it. And we were I was recording live wire from here yesterday, and I always start that show by playing the little hand clap for myself. I didn't have that. I don't. What else? Oh, I don't have a mute button anymore. I've become very, very, very reliant on muting myself when I'm in Portland and clearing my throat and coughing and doing whatever else I need to do. I don't have that here. So I'm really I'm falling apart here because I don't do the show on the road anymore because I'm not traveling nearly as much. So if today's show – I want to just apologize to the hyzer heads. If today's show isn't the scintillating content you were led to believe by Twitter that you were going to be hearing, it's because this is not how we normally do the show. I'm normally in a different room being boring.

And, of course, as they always say on that show, keep your ears open and your eyes closed. I think – I'm just trying to really delve into that culture just so that people feel – Clear eyes, full hearts. Yeah. Okay. Show title. Give you a ding. Listen, are you going to be doing the show from there tomorrow? Give me a ding. Yeah, you got a ding. You got one. Because now I'm concerned about our own thing, because we have to do Blur's Days tomorrow, and we will not do Blur's Days without that sound machine. You'd have to go out, cancel your plans, and find one.

I'm sorry, Brent Musburger. We need to push this interview back. I'm going to wander the streets of Las Vegas looking for a tiny sound effects box. No, I am not flying home tonight, and we'll be in the full normal facilities tomorrow, already just like hyped up for you to once again cut me out of the blurs days message

actually it looks like it's gonna be a pretty full blurs day so maybe we will be able to alternate uh reading of the blurs days tomorrow by the way quick mention i've been getting some i mean this is just really boring uh show business stuff here but if you do want to submit a blurs day aka a birthday message email me andrew at tbtl.net we can't get those off of social media or the text line or other things because they'll all get lost so andrew at tbtl.net is the way to get your blurs

day on the blurs cast please uh i know that we don't usually we keep the blurs days on thursday it's a very big uh you know it's a i know it's something that you're very concerned about mission creep with the blurs days andrew but i'm gonna go ahead and if i can just make an executive call here to um say a happy blurs day to my actual child who turns 27 today not that she's gonna hear this but yeah my kid is 27 as of today february 17th 2021 and i don't want to center myself in the story of her life but it has been actually by total coincidence a long long long time friend of mine katie uh was on a road trip with her boyfriend and they happened to be in las vegas so last night we got a little dinner and we're hanging out and she was my friend katie was at the church camp 27 years ago andrew where i was playing the worship songs and then stopped and then mentioned to everyone hey bt dubs i had a baby three days ago well i didn't but i became the father of an alive human child three days ago and it was quite a record scratch moment at the living way four square

youth camp this was during a this was during a singing exercise this was during a like a you know uh like it was going to be a thing where there's a worship service we sing some church songs and then you know the youth pastor probably rob branch flower uh gets up in uh and and uh or maybe mark naren i don't know i i was a long time ago somebody was going to get up and give a little sermon you know um but like a cool sermon where they sit on a backwards chair Yeah, right. Because it's the East Camp. We'll let everybody know.

Was it a sermon or more of just a rap session?

Yeah. So that's what we were doing. So I was the person who would play the church songs on the guitar. And I wasn't really the worship leader per se, but this was at the height of my attempts at playing guitar. Oh, shit. And there were like five Jesus songs that only asked three chords of the person performing them, like C, A, D. I could play any worship song that lived in the world of C, A, and D. So anyway, but what had happened was I had recently moved to this church, started attending. So a lot of the people didn't know me, and I had also changed to school. So I'd had this kind of like hard reset on my life. But there was this one thing that was going on, which is I had gotten someone pregnant, and they were due. And I just had the sense that it was going to be a thing that got out. at some point so i tried to get ahead of it by telling everyone and also i didn't have to go around and tell all 20 of these kids individually so i just said it during this this uh you know worship session and my friend katie was there for that and we talk about it sometimes because it was such a kind of weird moment and um and and anyway she just so happens to be here in las vegas and we were reminiscing about it last night but yeah happy blurs day to my actual child who's

27 yeah happy blurs day adelaide i'll i'll allow it on a wednesday can you give a ding can we get a ding for addy good grief yes of course i i do like i your approach there straightforward you have an announcement to make hello everybody excuse me but it would have also been interesting and potentially funny if you would just casually dropped it just kind of like if somebody said um hey could you pass the milk and you just said oh yeah my daughter loves that stuff and just sort of see if people start to pick. Like, if you just start introducing this idea. Oh, I see. You mean at the church camp. Yeah, don't make an announcement just like when somebody says something. Just kind of make a reference to your daughter without making a huge deal of it and just kind of see how people react. Maybe you just slowly integrate the idea into people's heads and then all of a sudden they realize on their 27th Blur's Day, wait a second, Luke must have gotten somebody pregnant when he was a kid.

Just gaslight everyone. And then when they're like, wait, I didn't know you had a kid. I was like, yeah, we've talked about it many times. Remember, she loves milk. Right? So, you know what? I'm going to do that with my next child.

Oh, good. Fantastic.

Just one day on this show, I'll just start referencing somebody named Brian. Oh, my God. Brian's t-ball game was ridiculous today, Andrew. He hit, like, two home runs. It was great. The other coach was being kind of an a-hole. Randy was on the mound because your Roomba, for some reason, is the pitcher in my scenario. Oh, I wouldn't. You know what? I honestly, I would believe that Randy could pull that off. I know that I talk about this Roomba way, way too much. But I just want to say, and maybe this, I'll try to not talk about Randy for a while after this.

No, you can talk about Randy. People like Randy as a good character.

I love, I freaking love that thing. like it's not a total joke for me to say that I have a somewhat like almost you know familial like anthropomorphic relationship or I've anthropomorphized this Roomba to a degree that I came home the other day it was like a Sunday and I must have at some point when I set up this Roomba's like schedule for when it was clean I must have said can you do it at like 11 a.m. on Sundays because it's you know I want to maybe sleep in or whatever I had no idea this was the setting i go out to get some coffee and do whatever and i come back in and the roomba is just working away at 11 15 in the morning and i go hey man good looking out i literally said that to i was like pleasantly surprised that the robot was working was doing its thing i appreciated that it had waited until i got up i felt it was like i came home and my my partner was doing the dishes and i was like oh hey thanks for doing that like that was the feeling that went through me related

to this disc vacuuming my apartment that's why I think and I'm not even joking I am surprised that as things kind of get a little bit more robotic a little bit more mechanized that the creators aren't designing them to be a little bit more anthropomorphic like do they sell a Roomba that might have eyes on it or a smirk because honestly I'm not even joking that would be kind of fun I know you can buy like

Like on Etsy and stuff, they're like aftermarket little mods, little, you know, outfits you can put on them. And I do I do wonder. I also, by the way, I'm the person who had a pretty big crush on Scarlett Johansson's voice in the movie Her. Like, I promise if you gave Randy a voice, I would probably propose to Randy within like six months. I'm highly suggestible to those kinds of things. So I don't know how far down the road of like of bringing kind of human characteristics to these to these things. I also say thank you to the the Amazon robot whose name I shall not say in case this is being played on speakers somewhere. But like, you know, I wrote this on Twitter a couple weeks ago. It's like if you're not saying thank you to that Amazon robot after you asked him to set a timer like we're not cool. Like I I have a very at some point the line gets very blurry for me. Also, the fact that I live alone and I'm deeply lonely is part of this. But, no, it's like the line between human and robot doesn't take much for me to start really identifying with these inanimate objects.

Yes. I hope that you said they have these aftermarket things you can put on the Roomba. For a second, I said that because I didn't want to trigger it. No, it's the other thing that I can't say the name of. Like, for real, that's what happened.

Oh, no, you just turned on Roombas all over America.

Because I didn't realize. I think I've said this on the show to you a bunch of times. like, okay, you can't say it by its name, the Amazon device, the one that begins with the word A to trigger it, but I thought you could always call it by what it is. I will say it one time here, but I thought it was safe to call it the Echo because I didn't think that the E word was a trigger word. Somebody wrote in to say, oh no, that's a trigger word too. You can launch it by saying the A name or the E name. So apparently my little workaround on that was still driving people crazy but anyway it would be cool if the Roomba aftermarket things almost interacted like a Mr. Potato Head kind of situation like if you get a package of different kinds of eyes and different kinds of mouths depending on the mood and you could kind of yeah plug and play as they

say sure and Valentine's Day maybe put it in a sexy outfit that too that too okay this seems like a good time for a quick break kind of get get our shit together and then see where the edit See where the edit points are on that. In three, two, and I'm just a podcaster standing in front of a Roomba asking it to make out with me. All right, quick break and then we'll be back with more TVTL. Hey, let's thank some donors of the day. these wonderful, generous people are making this episode possible. They're sort of like high's heads, but for this show. Also, I don't think that Tony Kornheiser asked his listeners to donate money. What are the big differences between these two programs? But anyway, that is how we do it over here. And thankfully, the tens of listeners continue to step up all these years later, including Shannon Curry of Federal Way, Washington, James Duncan of Washougalwa, I've actually been, I know some people that live out in Washougal, and I've been interested in that part of the country. My sister Liz and her family live out that way, and I'm interested in trying to find the place that's the closest to Portland, Andrew, but that is also drier than Portland, where maybe I could buy a little piece of grass and then put a tent on it and go there in the summertime. And Washougal, Washington's on the list. So, James, if you've got any tips and tricks to the Washougal lifestyle, hit me up. Connie Evans is in Stone Mountain, Georgia.

Oh, wow. I've been there. Really? Yes. Okay. Genevieve grew up in Atlanta, Georgia. Stone Mountain is right outside of Atlanta. And they always had, I think, finally, they've maybe stopped doing it. But they always had a very big, famous laser show on the side of the mountain, which really celebrates the heritage of the South, going back to the Civil War, Luke. It's very, what's the word? Comfortable.

Did it, like, the first time you saw it, did it stress you out? Or is this the kind of thing that, when you first saw it, it was 20 years ago, you were just kind of like, yeah, you know, stars and stripes forever, or whatever, stars and bars forever.

Right. It wasn't the stripes, Luke. That's the problem. That's the problem. We will tell you, I'll be honest with you. So it would have been in the first few years of me dating Genevieve and our first my first trip down to Georgia. And she took me there. But she did tell me, you know, and that, you know, it was more than an eye roll about it and about how it ends with, you know, them all writing off to Dixie or whatever, the Confederate soldiers. But, you know, we went.

very knowing and we were you know I don't want to I don't want to speak ill of Connie's hometown but we knew it was problematic although we didn't use the word then but Genevieve has said in years past that she would never take me there today like if it were all starting over like to go in with this sort of like sarcastic hipster boy get a load of this kind of thing like she's like I would have never taken you there today so that's we also we already

have a show title for today but I think Andrew went down to Georgia could have been in a second place position alright thank you so much Connie Evans and also thanks to Aaron Hicks who's in Renton, Washington Adam Marks is in New York City and then Juliet McFadden is in Brighton, Massachusetts. Thank you so much to all of our donors of the day. Today we would absolutely not be able to do this thing without you. We would not be at episode 3361 61 in a collector's series without your support thank you babies

hello and welcome to top story are we gonna just like power through these stories that i keep

promoting and then not getting to one of them is a little investigation by geek wire as to if blowing in your nintendo game actually fixed anything the answer is no and by by i say by geek wire i mean really they reference uh the pbs digital studios show it's okay to be smart which actually looked into it uh it turns out by the way that your the cleaning efforts absolutely had zero effect on making the cartridge like blowing into the cartridge had zero effect on if it connected with the machine in fact it could have made it worse because the moisture in your breath could have corroded parts of the electronics it was purely a placebo but i will I will promise you, Andrew, that I believed deeply in the principle of blowing into Nintendo games, and it always seemed to work.

Well, I sort of did, except I knew something was up because I had two different systems, and sometimes I would convince myself one was better than the other. But even in the moment, I knew it must have been somewhat random because my two ways of blowing on a Nintendo, Nintendo. Sorry, I say that. Am I pronouncing all of my syllables today?

I had a lot of friends who called it Nintendo.

I forgot.

That's right. Andy Engstrom, I believe, called it Nintendo. And for years I was unclear. I mean, you know, it was funny because I was allegedly literate. I guess I could have looked at the console. But I was a little unclear if it was Nintendo or Nintendo until I was probably like eight or nine.

I called mine Super Nintendo Chalmers is what I called mine. But my two systems for blowing on these cartridges, one was the kind of high-powered, lips-pursed, really kind of sandblasting with air. Air blasting, I guess is the word. You know, I'm going to do it on the mic here. Sorry, that was a terrible sound. But that's me blowing on the cartridge trying to blow away dust. If that didn't work, I would pop it out again. and I'd put it up to my mouth, and then I would do the slow, hot, breathy thing. Did you do this as well? Because we weren't sure, is it dust or is it a temperature thing? So we would kind of go, and kind of warm up the open end of that cartridge. Did you do that? But holy hell, is it erotic? Yeah, I started thinking about my words about halfway through my demonstration there and started to avoid certain phrases.

i didn't have nearly as um sort of intentional a system as you're describing it would just be this thing where you're trying to get mike tyson's punch out to connect with the thing and then it's you just like keep seating it seating it putting it in and then all of a sudden it's like this isn't working fine let's go to the court of last resort which is blow into the thing and then it just my memory is that always worked it always but then if you think about it i don't know what i thought was happening there's dust there's so much dust collecting on this little item piece of circuitry it's just coated in dust and now i've blown on it and now the dust is gone and now the circuitry can connect with with the with the machinery like it actually made no sense even back then but i was a i was a true believer i mean didn't it though because actually that's

that reminds me of a third thing we would do which is we would blow into the machine itself if it kept on not working then you're just like blowing into the actual you know maw of the nintendo um but you know i feel like this was our generation also did something similar with cds when we were a bit older right like it was like always like if your cd is skipping pull it out and then wipe it from the center outward did you always follow that rule you're always supposed to wipe them from the like take a clean cloth and then put you know let's say put the cloth over your thumb and

And then you wipe the CD, but you're always going in this motion from the center outwards. That's what I was told. I don't know if there's any science behind that, but it was very similar to the Nintendo situation.

I always had, like, not the newest, coolest CD player. Like, I always had one that was kind of behind the times, i.e. skipped a lot. And I was always jealous of people who had, like, the CD player that would buffer for eight seconds and sort of the banana yellow one that you could allegedly go jogging with. Although I don't know if there was any CD player that you could actually jog with that would be unaffected by that motion. That's a lot of motion for what is effectively like a spinning piece of machinery.

Yeah, yeah. I remember my uncle had a boat. I'm not trying to brag here, but my uncle had a boat on Lake Erie. And I remember I think one of my cousins maybe had a Discman at this point, a Discman, Discman. And I remember saying, oh, yeah, we should take that on the boat. And my cousin being like, yeah, this doesn't have eight times buffer. Like, this isn't going to work on the boat. I'm like, I'm such an idiot. I'm such an idiot. Of course, a boat is a place for cassette tapes. It's weird how that lives in my memory. That's a true story.

Well, two things that I think I have brought up before on the subject of compact discs. One is that, you know, I really wanted like whatever the cool, sleek one. And for some reason, I was obsessed with that kind of banana. like i said that banana yellow like sporty i forget who even made that one yeah definitely sony walkman sports series but but this was the disc man version so i was like oh my god that's the best well i didn't have enough money for that so i made my dad take me to this used record store on the ave and the thing that i could afford was like a phillips or something giant i mean it was literally the size of almost the size of my laptop that i'm currently working with andrew and it took it must have needed a minimum of eight batteries that was also part of why it was so huge it needed like a loading bay underneath like where the disc was spinning to just put in hundreds of dollars of batteries that would last you for like half of a cd but i got this thing and it was just like this was the beginning of me i don't think i pinpointed the time but this was the beginning of me being the kind of person who's impulsive and just wants to get something even if it's the wrong something like I got it in my mind I had whatever I had my 80 bucks or something I was like I'm gonna go get a disc man and then when I got to the second time around records I realized I didn't have enough money for any of the good ones instead of saying well I'm gonna go home and save 50 more bucks I was like well I'll just take whatever this 80 dollars can get me which was basically a boom box and then I but then I still had to enact the fantasy of going to school the next day with my boombox, sitting at one of the lunch tables at Jesus Creek, and whipping out my CD player so that I could listen to probably the CD No Myth or Half Harvest by Michael Penn. Yes, that's what I was bumping.

I thought for sure it was going to be like Jesus Jones or EMF. Like, I mean, you don't want to listen to that on cassette tape, man. That's unbelievable. Yeah, it sure is. You have to listen to that in high fidelity. Where's my bell?

Can you give yourself a ding? When did Schubert dip come out? I knew that was coming. But anyway, I just remember sitting there at this, like, lunchroom table, and every time somebody would walk near the table I was sitting at, the CD would skip on this stupid boombox that I had spent all this money on because I wanted to have this moment of being cool, which never happened. But anyway, that CD player, I don't think I ever took it out of the house again. It was so not portable. But anyway, I have that memory. And then I also remember when I was a kid, a guy's dad had some kind of, maybe a Camaro, some car that seemed very sporty and fancy at the time that had a record player in it. What? Yes, this was a real thing.

It wasn't a limousine, right? I'm picturing like a Dan Aykroyd movie gets into the back of a limousine for the first

time and it's got a record player back there no it was in the like center console and it was like for like 45s or something i mean it wasn't like a full-on giant turntable but and it was on this whole shock mounted thing i mean this was i again i wish i could i can't remember the exact kind of car but clearly at some point this car maker was like record you know record players are the future of technology or something and they had like probably spent a bunch of money designing like this in-car record player, which I don't even know if I ever rode in the car if I just looked at this thing, but that seems like a terrible idea. Although I would love to have a car with a record

player in it. I think the oldest technology that any of my parents had in their car was an 8-track player. I believe my dad had an old Toyota that still had an 8-track player. it and then that car you know eventually he sold it and the only eight track player we had was in the basement where my dad had like a workbench a little workshop area and i can smell this that you would open up this big briefcase of eight tracks and the the smell of it's not just plastic it's whatever that whatever that magnetic tape is just like hits you in the face and you're like yes i will listen to captain and to neil right now while i take apart some old toy that doesn't work anymore that's what i did on my dad's workbench a lot just i would just take apart

old electronics uh if this conversation sounds like a couple of oldsters it's because we are oldsters and andrew we're even older than we thought uh in the eyes of the uh young people because there is an article that cnn put out sorry millennials this emoji isn't cool anymore And the emoji that they sort of surveyed the Gen Z folks, I guess. And wait, what generation are we again? I always forget.

We're at the very end of Gen X. I'm laughing because the other day, my friend, who is way younger than me, who is about 10 years. This is Hannah Brooks Olson, actually. We were talking and she was talking quickly and she said something about she's like, oh, my God, I'm so old now. And like all the Gen Z's are making fun of me. And I was like, what's a Gen Z? I thought Gen Z was like an online sort of like hipster brand or something that people were associating with Gen Z's. But no, it's Generation Z. We are Generation X.

So the Gen Z's apparently have gotten together and they have decided some things that really indicate that you are a millennial or a Gen X or someone who is an old. And those things include skinny jeans. So the good news for you, Andrew, give yourself a ding. Yeah, I don't think you've ever been in danger. of that very uncomfortable i i danced with that devil uh and and then thankfully was able to escape achieve escape velocity from skinny jeans i was very anti-skinny jeans at first and then when i would wear jeans that were a little bit more kind of slim fitting people would be complimentary so then i was like well that's what i'm going to do now and uh but uh i'm now just in like a basic kind of somewhere in between like what you would wear and which would be a little bit bigger than i would go for and a skinny jean which you will never catch me in again anyway skinny jeans those uh are a sign that you are an old and then also if you use the emoji where someone where the emoji thing is laugh crying that is apparently universally understood to be not a cool emoji and in fact uh signifies or indicates that you are an old person and that is literally during this show andrew i have used that emoji i was texting someone during the break and i was like and I put the laugh-crying emoji in. I probably use that emoji 10 times a day. The other thing they said at the end of this article is they were talking about basically how cringeworthy that emoji is, how nobody cool uses it, and then they ended by saying, for Gen Z, this is this person they interviewed, it's the same thing as having an Android. Hey! Right? I love my Android. So first they come for my emoji, my laugh-cry emoji, and you're more dignified than me. You don't really use a lot of emojis, but I use them far too frequently. Although, you know what I noticed? I tend to use them even more when I am texting with a woman, like whether it's my mom or my daughter or Carrie. I use emojis more when I'm communicating with a woman, which is kind of weirdly gendered, right?

I guess so. Yeah, I don't – like you said, I hardly use any emojis at all. Or if I do, I defeat the purpose of them because I will text a lot about, hey, I'm going to use an emoji now. Like, I've never had a really comfortable relationship with them. But there are several things that I know this feeling you're having. One was when I learned, I don't remember if we talked about it on this show or if I just happened to see it online. But something, and this was back, this was probably about maybe close to 10 years ago now when I cared more about aging. Now I'm just like, yeah, I'm super old. like whatever like um but when i was still like trying to cling to my youth in some way i read that only like old people ask for receipts and so for a while there no you know it wouldn't have been 10 years ago i was probably in la or around the time so maybe it's like five years ago i remember being like they'd be like would you like a receipt some like young barista would say would you like your receipt what's a receipt no i don't like i always took receipts before then but then And suddenly I'm like, oh, my God. And that is another thing that sticks with me.

It's just going to blow. This receipt is going to blow out of my pocket when I get on my motorcycle.

Right. On my longboard. Are you kidding me?

Would I skateboard out of here? I mean, you think I want to be weighed down by a receipt?

And then the other thing was, remember the Scion, the little car that I had before our current Volkswagen? And I love that little guy.

boxy little guy and uh i was producing some segment on kcrw about uh cars it was you know madeline the host was just interviewing somebody about i don't know maybe the latest like kind of models being released at whatever the big national car show is i have no idea what the topic was but the person was talking about the marketplace and made some reference and it wasn't even super snarky the reporter just kind of said yeah and then you have the kind of the the older people who still think they're young and they're buying like scions and yarises or something along those lines that was before i even knew i loved yarises um but it like just and i remember uh jolie who was another producer just looked at me it was like ha ha you're an old person who still thinks you're young because you're driving around you're scion so we had to sell it and burn all of our receipts uh and now you get around on rollerblades that's right yeah so i know that feeling i do i would say the the last emoji i used was the cool guy emoji with sunglasses um but i don't really i don't i don't overuse it but every now and then you just got to let somebody know that it's cool

i think that that laugh crying emoji i just i like it because i just conveys my mood a lot of the time which is like oh i did something silly and now i'm laugh crying about it or um i didn't know i thought maybe you'd be mad about that but now you're not and i'm laugh crying about like it just seems to and in fact it's based emoji tracker it's actually has been for years the most used emoji so somebody who's interviewed for this article says basically it's a victim of its own success a person named gretchen mcculloch an internet linguist an author of because internet understanding the rules the new rules of language said that just what happens is if something gets used a lot it's going to eventually become a joke about how overused Anything that becomes popular ever at some point becomes then, you know, cringeworthy because of its ubiquity, whether it's bell bottoms or record players in a Camaro. Like at some point, if you're if you're the most used emoji, then there's going to be a reckoning. So anyway, I'm going to continue to use it. I don't care. It often sums up my emotional state. One last thing before we go to emails and emails. I saw this article the other day, Andrew. The question is, should you brush your teeth before or after you have your coffee in the morning? What do you do?

I don't brush my teeth. No, I do brush my teeth. I actually have good teeth. I've never had a cavity. But I am not an obsessive toothbrusher. I actually think you have better. I'm getting there. I'm just figuring this out. I don't brush my teeth with any regularity. That is to say I brush my teeth daily at some point, but it really is when the mood strikes me or when I'm suddenly like, oh, God, I got to brush my teeth. Sometimes that is in the morning when I'm, you know, when I'm done taking a shower or sometimes even taking a shower. I like to brush my teeth in the shower. I don't know if we've discussed that. It's just kind of easier to clean everything up. But the hair dad for real. Just quick aside. Do you ever do that? you brush your teeth in because I use electric toothbrushes as well documented. And it's just sort of easier if I can just sort of spit anywhere and just know that the water is going to carry it all away and get it out of my beard and everything. It's just kind of easier to brush my teeth in the shower. So sometimes I will do that. But this morning, I would say I have not brushed my teeth yet. And I'm enjoying a good cup of broadcast coffee right now. Wow. So I it's pretty much

the first thing I do in the morning because I don't like the you know, the taste in my mouth of having it been you know it's been whatever eight hours i'm a pretty i probably brush my teeth it sounds like i'm trying to humble brag or something i probably brush my teeth a minimum of three times a day i'm very worried about having bad breath like even if i'm just by myself i also am a pretty big flosser now as well so i have a kind of a ritual i i'm not even kidding when i say i think it emotionally regulates me a little bit like if i'm just feeling like scummy maybe just even about myself as a human I will go to the bathroom I will floss and I will brush my teeth and it will just be like okay well that's one thing that's going for me now I think it's control

I mean I think about this a lot when it comes to cleaning and why I clean things and why I have to have the top of the oven like you know mirror clean so I can see myself in it or the idea of dishes being in the sink and it's like especially at times when other things are going on they don't even necessarily have to be bad but just like deadline deadline things I'm ignoring or whatever it is i feel like well if you can get control over something and for me it doesn't end up being as much oral hygiene but i think you're kind of applying the same thing there well the official

ruling from dentists is you should brush your teeth before you have your coffee because even though you might think that you want to brush your teeth after so as to get the coffee like off of your teeth so you don't get like coffee stains if you have plaque on your

teeth from not brushing them it gives the coffee the brown color of the coffee something to adhere to yeah yeah and it actually makes the stains worse so if you're trying to avoid coffee stains

on your teeth you're supposed to brush your teeth before your cup of coffee that totally makes sense because it reminds me of like you know it sounds like maybe you don't get this because you brush your teeth so much but like you know i'll say sometimes i'll just be middle of the day or in the evening watching tv then suddenly out of the blue i'll be like i gotta brush my teeth right now because they start to feel a little fuzzy you ever get the fuzzy teeth or am i just grossing you out even by suggesting that um it's definitely gross uh and uh and i i don't because i'm that's why i'm constantly brushing my teeth if it's i don't eat a lot of sugar but often this feeling i'm describing if i suddenly realize i have that i will think back and i probably had like a cookie or something in the past couple of hours or you know whatever piece of cake or whatever and so So because of that, I'll say, oh, God, my teeth don't feel like shiny, smooth, clean to the touch to, you know, inside my mouth. And so that's when I have to brush my teeth. So it sort of makes sense that, like, if you don't if you have a little bit of a layer of something on there that the coffee can adhere to. Can I just go brush my teeth right now, please? Yes. Like everybody listening right now is running to brush their teeth as they listen to this, I think.

Um, so Larry King's wife is challenging his will, which leaves his, his, his assets distributed amongst all his children, which are, you know, many. This is his most recent wife. They were in the process of getting divorced, but they still seemed relatively close. And, you know, I believe that she was with him when he passed away. So he had like a handwritten will. And now his his his widow, I guess, because they weren't fully divorced. She's challenging it. She was saying that he wasn't mentally sound when he wrote this will and that this is one of his you know, he's got kids with a bunch of different people. And and I don't think that they all are like super close. So she sees this as a play by one of his kids that's not from her relationship with him trying to get some of the money. She wants to be the executor of his estate Here's the thing that I thought must have been a typo the first time I saw it They're fighting over Larry King's estate Which is estimated at under $2 million Does that sound shockingly low for Larry King?

It certainly does Sounds like the will of somebody who writes it handwritten on paper too It's like how in the world does something like Larry King Not have this all locked up? A handwritten will? Genevieve and I have wills

I don't have a will and I really should get it together but i like i just i mean i don't have two million dollars but i'm not larry king like i can't believe that that like one house in like i assume larry king's house in la was 20 million dollars like larry king was never i mean granted he did declare bankruptcy a couple times and loved to gamble so maybe this is making more sense but like i mean just being larry king as long as he was larry king all the cnn years and then his art you know his news and notes column or whatever his weird USA Today just musings I mean the guy was on his grind his whole life I get the sense that right up until he got sick he was uh you know working and he had he had that whatever that like TV show that was on the Russian or aura TV I should say in all of that Larry King only had two million dollars at the end of it or less than two million dollars I just found that number to

be shockingly low yeah me too me too also I would just say this like nothing kind of like hurts my soul more than people fighting over dead people's money and i know it's a reality and i know that like certain people because of various makeups of families and what have you you that's just a reality like some people have to count on that money and i don't want to be judgmental about it but all i can say is from my perspective i've always said like that i will never do that i will never do that like you know what i mean like there aren't people in my life who have a lot of money But there are always some, you know, estates and assets that you have to kind of figure out. But if anybody ever and, you know, maybe loved ones are listening right now and they're thinking, good, I can take advantage of this sucker. But I don't think so, because nothing is worth it to me. Like, no, I just like the it's just like to me, it's like road rage. You know how I struggle with road rage or I certainly used to more. And I just think it's like there's no good redeeming quality of it. It's just pure ugliness. That's how I feel about fighting over in a state or fighting over a dead person's money.

I absolutely believe that. I think a lot of people say that, but then when it push comes to shove, they just they get caught up in the, you know, arguing over the money or the whatever. But I absolutely believe that you would stand by the because that's like describes your whole way of being in the world, which is you would just rather not like you would rather just live a simpler life than have money ever drive your decisions. and the idea of ugliness around money like you just which which i admire about you like i know that you you would just rather completely not engage in the situation i am lucky in that i

come from absolutely no money yeah right but who's gonna get who's gonna get your one

Walkman or you're Discman there and but I mean there is just like in within my family it's really more of a conversation about who's going to take care of these people yeah right not it's just great there's just nothing to fight about in terms of finances like who's getting who's getting the you know the Dodge Shadow that my dad has put two replacement engines in like who's getting the Rad Shad like it's just it's really great because it just takes that completely off the table as far as any kind of tension within me and my siblings. What's a radshad? It's a Dodge Shadow that my brother's name nicknamed the radshad.

So you had just said it, but I didn't make the connection.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. No, man, it's not from a female.

All right, a couple, maybe one quick email because I have to run off to do this little TV interview.

Well, we have three long emails and you will like it. No. Yeah, let's do one here. I got an email from Tony who says, I understand you are trying to steal my listeners. Please cease and desist. Tony K. I'm sorry. I'm just looking for the shortest email here. I'm going to read this one. This is from listener Julia. We were talking last week, of course, about the biggest thing to delight the Internet in a long time was that leaked video of the court proceeding where the lawyer accidentally still had a cat filter on his face. Everybody has seen it at this point and heard the audio. But you had mentioned that there was some text on the video that said this is not supposed to be rebroadcast, right? There was some question about, like, why is this even out here when there's text on the screen saying that this should not be distributed? Julius, who clearly works in the court system in some capacity, says you were right on yesterday about courtrooms being required to be open to the public. I think I had mentioned, well, that you could have some sort of access. In Washington, Julia says, when court is in session, the public must be able to view a courtroom proceeding. In my court's case, we conduct our hearings via Zoom and stream them live onto YouTube. If somebody watching on YouTube objects to being excluded from the actual courtroom, they can call the courthouse and request permission to enter. Our doors are also unlocked during hearing times for the defendants who don't have the capability to Zoom in. At the end of the hearing, the YouTube video, it is immediately deleted off of the court's website. So they use it to stream, but they then delete it. Virtual court has been incredible for our unhoused clients. It's extremely likely that they will have access to a cell phone and much less likely they'll have access to transportation to the court. Being able to call into the courtroom from wherever they are has increased attendance rates and allowed people who live out of the area to appear and settle their cases. So I'll leave it there. But it is interesting. I think this is another thing where we're going to see how the pandemic seriously changes just business as usual for a lot of people.

I mean, that's really good to hear. I was curious how that was going to play out. And maybe this is just this listener's experience with that particular court. But, you know, I was wondering if people were going to because, you know, I mean, you never know how many people have cell phones that have cameras on them and have service. so you know you could you know maybe take the bus down to the courthouse do you have a working iphone or not it could be a different question but um but i'm glad to hear that you know people are actually having better uh success at actually getting to their hearing so they can advocate for themselves um maybe that's what larry king's uh wife will do when she's contesting his handwritten will zoom in as a cat possibly give me the cool two mil all right um that will need to do it for today's episode of the program did you have any inspiration any musical inspirations we're going to go out with all the our old friends doves and that song words that we love so much how do you

feel about the cure how about um i feel really good about that love song by the cure this is just completely random it's not it's not related to anything we talked about i just i'm dedicating this to randy yes love song love song by the cure yeah all right well thank you so much everyone for

listening uh we're gonna be right back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you again uh welcome and goodbye to all of our heiser heads oh they didn't make it sorry there's no way they made it this far anyway we'll be back here tomorrow until then have a great wednesday stay safe take care of each other uh happy birthday addy i love you and uh please remember don't Mountain Too Tall. And good luck to all. Thank you.

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