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Tell me one fact that you know about me. Do you not remember one single thing about me? Dude, things have been nuts around here. I bet you don't know anything about me. You were born in Phoenix. You went to school in Tempe. You're an only child. Your favorite show is something called The Real Housewives of Atlanta. And your favorite book is Kendall Jenner's Instagram feed. How did you know all that? Because you are constantly talking about yourself. You are the most self-obsessed person I have ever met. You should see Kendall Jenner's Instagram feed.

TBTM. Guess what day it is? Guess what day it is?

It's Friday. Friday. Gotta get down on Friday. Everybody's looking forward to the weekend. Why would either one of you, uh, you know, why?

Dear God, why? The reason anyone would do this, if they could, which they can't, would be because they could, which they can't.

I don't like spending time with stupid people. Hey, do you think you could be my funniness mentor? I can definitely be your funniness mentor.

Hey, everybody stand by. Here we go again.

Alright, hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Friday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

This song goes out to all the coffee lovers of the world.

My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host. I don't want any more bull**** at any time during the day from anyone. That includes me. Coming to you for the final day from beautiful Oklahoma City in the Ambassador Hotel looking out on the Midtown District. I'm going to be sad to leave this town. I have had such a great time. the people have been warm and wonderful there are amazing restaurants and things to see and do i actually went down and checked out the murrah building memorial where the oklahoma city bombing happened and this is an incredible incredible thing if you ever find yourself in oklahoma city or anywhere nearby you should go check it out i mean it's incredibly somber But very powerful and something worth seeing. Anyway, this is a cool town where I've been having a hot time. But all good things must come to an end. And so I'll be departing later today. Also, all good things must come to a start, which is not really a phrase that people like to say. But this is the beginning of episode 3,378 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. Throughout yesterday's episode, there was an unfolding story involving one William Shatner and a friend and former colleague of mine, Andrea Seabrook. And it was just deteriorating throughout the program's recording. I mean, we were just I was watching it happen in real time where she was started out asking if he wanted to be on a show with her and ended with him blocking her on Twitter. Spock, sabotage the system. And we have one of the people from that issue, that incident, coming on the show later to tell their side of the story. It's not William Shatner. It's Andrea Seabrook. So we will check in with Andrea and hear how she's doing after becoming the focus of a lot of Internet attention yesterday. And then all week, these tech stories have been piling up on the show. starlink satellites and t-mobile and all kinds of different nfts and wtfs we got so many stories that we never got to this week because i was just busy waxing rhapsodic about wayne coin from the flaming lips so i don't know maybe i'll try to like do some kind of a thing after we talk to andrea time permitting where we just like do one minute on each one of those stories just i bear no blood relation to the screenwriter of speed but i am currently on it or just try to like race through a bunch of stories maybe or something um speaking of which last night that flaming lips show was really incredible and they they opened the show with a song of theirs called race for the

prize which is a just a great number off of the soft bulletin but it took on some some special amount of uh i don't know just emotional resonance last night and it was actually during the rehearsal they were rehearsing the song and i was sitting there just sobbing which is i think awkward for the camera crew i won't lie to you but um anyway it was a real fun night last night i also heard through my daughter addie that this sounds like a weird musical name drop but you know i'm also very much into this band or a singer i guess you could say who sings under the the name Waxahatchie, and the way the concert works was there are all these space bubbles, and you could have up to three people in one of these space bubbles, and I guess Waxahatchie and her partner Kevin Morby, who's also a musician I really like, were in one of the bubbles, and when they started to raise for the prize, apparently she burst into tears as well. So, I feel good about the fact that I'm not the only emotional basket case out there. There's at least twos of us. Twos of us! Anyway, we should get rolling here for realsies by welcoming this guy to the program, the longest running cobro of the show. He may be best known for his drawings of the tall ships. He's asked that maybe today we low key the content related to either my feet or whether or not the singer Wayne Coyne is, in fact, passing, passing, packing heat. Oh, explicit.

Ooh.

He is Andrew Walsh, and he's joining us right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my friend.

See, like, there's a chance that we have new listeners who are checking out the show for the very first time. Seabrook heads, I call them. Brookians. Seafarers. I don't know what they call themselves, but they're checking out TBTL for the first time. And you start the show by making that comment about Wayne Coyne. And I really regret mentioning that photograph to you.

Well, first of all, yeah. I mean, you're the one who brought the topic up in the first place. Second of all, maybe that's exactly the hashtag content that the, yeah, what are we going to call them? We're calling the Tony Kornheiser listeners Heiser Heads. So I feel like maybe Heads is, that's already kind of, that's already in use. so maybe um uh androids andreodroids wow maybe we go with the first name that's an interesting

thing which then you have some overlap maybe how about this how about me and andrea seabrook start our own podcast and we call our listeners the androids because i'm andrew she's and there

you go all right well this is a weird way for our partnership to end but i see the importance of both i can do both i can do both oh i see this is that's a spin-off production would that be something that disposable media would also be yes we've got a couple of hot new shows uh by the way in the stable we've got lauren masterson's anagram talk yes and then we've got uh and then we've got androids which is you and andrea's new show where you talk about what would you like to discuss with

andrea maybe we should bring that up once she's on the show because i actually haven't met her yet and i feel like i'm just you know i'm excited i mean there's no way she wouldn't be interested in doing this with me obviously um but uh we've never met before and i have no idea what her

interests are so we'll talk to um i want to apologize if you're in the background you're hearing a something called a fresh point truck which looks like it's a subset of the cisco food corporation it's one of those trucks that just delivers you know a bunch of the staples to a restaurant i am in like what i would consider to be the restaurant district of oklahoma city there are so many great places and they got a lot of outdoor seating here and it's warm so it means you can just kind of like it almost feels like normal life here andrew which last night we stopped by a place after the the flaming lip show called the r&j supper club and like i'm just a very cool like it's i think it's newer but it's made to look exactly like an old i don't know kind of like bar and lounge from say the 1960s like if you walk into the bar section andrew it's exactly Your and my sort of platonic ideal Of a dive bar And then they have this great outdoor area Where we were sitting and having some dinner One In Oklahoma apparently you can still smoke If it's considered outdoors So this was like a covered patio But Anthony and I were marveling At how long it had been since we were Eating food around people who were smoking cigarettes In a legal context

Is that only in the outdoors That they allow that I assume

I think because we were technically – not that I know of.

I'll bet you some southern states, some tobacco-growing states. I'll bet you there must be states that don't have no indoor smoking laws.

Well, in North Carolina, you have to smoke. In Winston-Salem, you are actually – babies have to smoke.

Anybody over the age of one and a half.

Yeah. So anyway, you're outside.

Yeah. You're outside. Did you start smoking?

We're sitting outside and – yes, I'm up to a pack a day.

Wow, that was fast. It hasn't even been a day. Wow.

Andrew, I'm a man of tremendous appetite. I think you know that.

You really are. No half measures for the loopholes.

I'm a 7.1, bro, on my Enneagram, okay? No, but the other thing that was kind of funny was we were both really tired from a very, very long day of shooting this concert and just, you know, being...

kind of very focused on trying to get everything that we needed to get Anthony and I and so it's pretty late it's like midnight or something and we're just sitting there and we're the only people in our 40s who are like in this area it's primarily people maybe in their mid-20s and at some point I just looked over and I was like is it always this loud in bars and he was like we are so old because I was just like with the racket of these youngsters and I didn't know if it was because i am old or because i was just really tired or because andrew i haven't really been in a place like that in a year like in an environment all of the above honestly yeah right multiple maybe the answer is d all of the above yeah when in doubt go with all of the above

sorry i'm stepping on you here we're having a little bit of a we're having a little bit of a line breakup so sorry if i'm stepping on you but i was going to ask you um so is this after is this late at night after the concert did you say yes okay gotcha so also it was when's the last time you've been to just a concert like was your head ringing a little bit that's one thing i miss about concerts i don't know if i got that a lot as i got older because my hearing is so bad but i remember like after going to a really like loud tremendous concert when i was like in high school and just coming home and like my head literally ringing the rest of the night well in true old guy fashion

Andrew I wore earplugs the whole time

and were you in a bubble were you in one of the

bubbles for a period of time I was in a bubble but just to get footage so that we could have like a shot of what it looks like inside the bubble so they inflated one and I got in it but I watched most of the show from kind of like the balcony where the lighting guy was because it was kind of like actually the best view and it's kind of funny though because it was so loud in there they had to turn so everybody was in these plastic bubbles the band was in these huge plastic bubbles on stage and so in order for the music to actually cut through and get into the bubbles they did two things one was they had these little like bluetooth speakers that everybody got to bring into their bubble which were actually broadcasting a low power fm signal so that you'd be able to hear the high end because they were saying that if you were in the way back yeah no matter how loud they made the music you weren't going to get the higher end you would only get the bass so they wanted to make sure people were actually hearing a good show so they um they had that and then the other thing they did was they just turned the music up so loud it's the loudest thing i've ever heard in my life louder than when steve balmer was dancing to mama say mama sama makusa by himself once in the key arena when i was there doing a gig for microsoft this was louder than that it was so loud that it led to me at one point andrew being escorted out of the building by over four very buff police officers wait it was so loud that police officers removed you from the building well it was related to that so what happened was as they were rehearsing again it was like you you could not you could be standing one inch from someone and you could be screaming your loudest to them and they would not be able to hear you when the music was going like i can't overstate how incredibly loud they had it turned up so even for like the rehearsal so i was kind of going between the inside and outside because we were trying to wait for some fans to show up when to interview people out on the street and um i ended up on the outside of the building and i needed to get back in really quick to say something to our producer and the only door that was open was like the the front door like the entry to get in which they weren't really letting people in yet so i like knock on the door a security person she opens the door and then i step in and i say i'm with a tv crew that's shooting here now she can barely hear me and she goes like can i see your id and i was thinking i mean sure you can but that tells you nothing just now you know my name's luke burbank like it doesn't say luke burbank cbs correspondent specialty the flaming lips but anyway she was just trying to do her job yet right wayne's working on it anyway i am so it was this kind of confusing moment where she let me in but she didn't really know what the hell i was talking about and so i go in and at this very moment they're rehearsing a song and i think it was maybe like yoshimi battles the pink robots and so i whip out my phone and i start recording wayne coin just kind of wandering around this empty theater as the band is on stage blasting their music and he's singing on like a cordless microphone because it was just

kind of a cool moment and next thing you know i turn around and coming towards me is like four of the buffest police officers i've ever seen in my life and like somebody from the venue and like two other people and as they're getting closer to me i realize they think i'm just a crazy person who's broken into the building and is now videotaping Wayne Coyne in rehearsal. And I can't tell them that I am not that because it's so loud in there they can't hear me. And they're just not so gently escorting me towards the outside. Like they think that I could have something on me.

don't know what i am there to do and me trying to yell over the music i'm with cbs like it's making no impression on anyone and so they're kind of taking me a little bit by the arms and they're just like escorting me out of the place and finally we get outside and i'm like hi i work for cbs we've been inside there filming today and then turns out one of the people who was escorting me out was actually the manager of the band and he of course felt profusely bad but um it was it was an interesting moment uh because uh i don't know if that's happened to me before i'm picturing i'm

picturing the situation and i'm trying to figure out how i would sort of mime my role there if like i couldn't explain it and i'm thinking what i do is i do the old-fashioned uh movie camera thing where i put one hand up to my eye like i'm holding a camera there and i'm i'm winding the other one with my right hand and it occurred to me like i mean we might have listeners right now who have no idea what we're even talking about i mean we're mimicking a camera from the 1920s is that still the best way we have to well what i do is wordlessly explain i'm i'm with the news i what i

should have done and i didn't even think of it was i should have pretended like i was tied to some train tracks yeah and i was like moving kind of like herky-jerky as and then i but then i pretend that i'm saving myself from the train tracks right before the train comes and then i show that i'm the guy winding the camera uh-huh and then they're like oh you can stay uh-huh didn't you at any

point do you twist the ends of your big mustache your imaginary mustache well when i'm being the

bad guy i do but then i also have one of those like i have like a megaphone but it's you know it's just a cone that i talk through yeah right right you know and action so the good news is i

have a plan for next time when the cops were uh dragging you out of there i wish you would have just like use the protester move and just like gone totally limp just made them drag you out

well the funny thing was so they they they took me outside and then they let me back in once it was cleared up and then somebody from the venue came everybody was like super nice once they figured out what was going on and gave me some kind of a like like a sticker that says like all access for the venue and then i put that on my jeans and then the rest of the night i'm just walking past these cops who you know an hour ago were ready to just like cuff me and like you know throw away the key and now i'm just like see this sticker it means i can go in it means i could actually i could do your job i could legally based on this sticker i'm allowed to have your gun

and your cuffs and now i'm the cop you understand you know you should be a lawyer you're talking about wanting to go to law school and you know i feel like it's close you already know so much about the law but i mean that's the thing you and i you know anytime we um i mean i have not ever had a situation like this at all but here i am trying to associate with it but you know you and i have talked before about how we have we get really bristled around any kind of authority right like even like especially and i'm not saying this is it but like petty authority like a doorman yelling at the bar that everybody's got to get out back when we were at bars that late And just like, you know, I just remember times being drunk and just being like, I think I can take the doorman. And, you know, me, I've never gotten into a fight in my life and I'm not going to fight them. But like just like just being like you have dishonored me like nobody has ever dishonored me and my family before. And I'm going to smack them with a glove like that is how I react to somebody telling me what to do. But like these cops and they're real officers, right?

They're not security. I mean, yeah, no, they're they're like real OKC police officers who had been retained to be in charge of this venue.

they probably just went moved on like they're okay he's got the sticker oh they didn't care they honestly couldn't they're not like giving you the hairy eyeball or anything

no but i but it was but it felt deeply personal to me right so you're giving them the hairy eyeball the whole time are you smirking i'm smirking i'm getting them the hairy eyeball i'm like i go up i steal one of their hats and i'm wearing it running around

i'm like wayne said it's fine i know that you did this so i'll just ask when did you do this When did you pull out your phone and show them all of the emoji-laden text messages between you and Wayne Coyne? When they tried to get their hat back.

I waited until the Flame Leafs were doing Do You Realize, which was their final number. And you're like, do you realize I owe you? Do you realize even who you're dealing with? I'm friends with both Wayne Coyne and Chris Hayes. I've got texts from Chris Hayes right here. I'll show them to you.

I'll have Chris text Wayne to tell you you're fired.

Yeah, exactly. You know why? because i've got the hat and i've got the sticker to prove it so anyway it was a really fun night i want to just say we we should um we should go to a break because we want to get andrea seabrook dialed up here but i want to apologize in advance if at some point on the recording there is a tremendously distracting noise which is my cell phone talking to my laptop it just happened we were in our

sound check earlier today andrew i don't know why it happens i said this on the show a couple weeks ago i don't it doesn't happen every time my phone rings but on occasion it will my phone will also start ringing on the computer because it's all integrated into whatever some apple thing but it doesn't happen all the time so i don't i don't understand why it happens when it does but anyway i am getting bombarded with calls from some company that has been retained by ron tonkin mazda of portland oregon where i leased my mazda from yeah they want me to do a survey about how my lease is going and i swear to god the paper boy in better off dead who wants his two dollars has nothing on these people i have dealt with collection agencies that are more subtle than these people who are i mean in a roundabout way i would say they work for me i'm the client i'm the person who is paying money to this you know automobile place in portland to lease a vehicle from them and if i don't feel like taking a call from el monte california which by the way keeps coming in at absolutely the worst time like i'm talking we're doing an interview with someone that's being filmed and my phone starts going crazy and i look down and it's el monte california which is where this outfit that that ron tonkin has hired it's where they are based out of and they are hunting me down like a dog to find out how my lease is going i was a little insulted

the other day when somebody called me i get a lot of i get at least i think i on a daily basis i get at least three like scam likely calls that's what my phone says scam likely um or just numbers i don't recognize that don't leave messages or that do leave messages and there's some robot pretending that they're with the bank and i'm in trouble if i don't call them back but i get at least three a day maybe even more than that um and i i you know i don't know why i don't know if that's normal for everybody but i um got a call the other day i picked it up i didn't recognize the number it didn't say scam likely i'm just like whatever i'll pick it up i'm sitting here and um it was an actual human being and they said would you do you have a moment to take a quick survey i'm calling from whatever survey organization what do you have a moment to take a quick survey at this point i am tempted because i'm always interested in knowing like what kind of a survey is this you know like is it some political thing uh it will give me insight on some shenanigans is like some sort of a weird push pulley thing like what's going on but I didn't I didn't have the time in the moment to mess around with this so I just said no I don't have time right now I'm sorry and they hung up and I just feel like don't don't you feel like if you are somebody who's calling somebody uninvited whether you're a telemarketer selling something and then or somebody who's taking a poll and then the person on the other end declines politely but treats you like a human being you would say okay no problem thank you and then hang up like they just hung up on me like i was like a like a like i was the robocaller i was pretty irritated uh i think you

have every right to to be irritated with that that is ridiculous also i mean i think we know this about the those kind of robocall centers is that as soon as they hang up on you then the computer just dials the next number exactly if anything they get a nice person on the line they want to try to you know they want to try to stretch it out for at least maybe three more seconds yeah that's what i used to do i'd like you know so like you say oh i don't have time okay well thank you so much for actually taking the time to respond because you know a lot of people who we deal with they just hang up kind of unceremoniously and uh we it's really nice to have you realize that i am also a human being even though i have this job that you know causes annoyance to a lot of people i've got to do it to feed my family uh we're all kind of trying to get through this pandemic you know one at a time or as best we can and um so the fact that you saw me as a human being that really means a lot that really kind of that helps me today so thank you

for that yeah by the way that's all i ask for all of it yeah and would you have stood would you have stood by for that entire spiel from that person oh that person starts saying that absolutely if they're just like they're off script and are just being nice all i ask of any telemarketer who calls me and i'm polite to them is for them to take 30 seconds 30 to 90 seconds and just tell me that they deal with a lot of jerky people all day and they really appreciate me standing out as one of the nice ones who treat them like a human being and i'm kind of a prince among men uh you know Just like a little bit of that. That's all I ask for.

They'll be like, hey, do you know anyone who knows Wayne Coyne?

I'm like, yeah, my friend Chris.

All right. Let's take a quick break, and then we will come back, and we will talk to Andrea Seabrook about how and why she got shat-canned. That's, by the way, her.

term, not mine, but I thought it was pretty clever. So anyway, that's coming up in a moment here on TBTL.

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go. Everybody rattle, dazzle.

Everybody rattle, dazzle.

Hey there. It is time to thank some dazzling donors. These are the wonderful, generous folks who are dazzling us with a donation of dough that is not insignificant each month, and it is hugely, hugely important in the bottom line of this program. And so we like to say thanks, and we like to turn the show over to them, or at least an email they've submitted. Is it an email, Andrew? It's more like an online form?

Yeah. If you're a dazzling donor, you should have received an email, and in that email you click a link, and then in that link you're supposed to fill out a form saying what a good guy I am towards telemarketers, and then once you pass that test, then you fill out a special message, and that comes directly towards me.

Got it. So one of the people that did it is, I should say, filled out that form and is donating is Mark Dimsky of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

I didn't even realize that when I pulled this one.

Did you really? No, I really didn't know this. And you don't believe in God.

I told you, if there's a God, there wouldn't be Brazil nuts.

How I mean what are the chances that we're we have you know many many donors of dazzling donors and we're very grateful for that what are the chances that the dazzling donor that would come up would be in Oklahoma City where I am and have been loving this place.

I mean I guess there is a chance that there is some sort of subconscious thing working but I don't I really don't think so I think it's a pure coincidence. Now are you bummed that you didn't see this a couple of days sooner Like maybe you and Mark could have gone to the Flaming Lips concert together

I don't know I feel like Mark's had some trouble with the law And I don't think I needed to draw extra attention from those police officers When I was down there

What if Mark was one of the police officers

You just blew my mind Imagine a unicorn emoji with its head exploding right now Mark says, TBTL has been a companion for me through grueling hours of medical school. Well, Dr. Dimsky, if you did.

Hey, Dr. Police Officer Dimsky.

Right?

What if I get into a shootout with the police and then they take me to the hospital and then Dr. Mark Dimsky has to save my life?

But then Dr. Dimsky looks down and says, I can't operate on this person.

He's my son. the doctor was a mark that's right also by the way that seems unlikely as i continue to read this message the long hours of my pediatric residency so in this scenario they've been like can we get a pediatric doctor in here to fix this 44 year old man who got into it with the police at a flaming lip show uh mark says uh i am now out of training and so i am happy to continue to support my imaginary friendos on the internet well mark thank you for supporting us and boy oh boy i am in love with your town dr mark i mean it makes zero sense for me to ever consider living in oklahoma city from a geographic perspective i also have other than dr mark i have zero connection to this city but honestly here in this midtown neighborhood where i am and then also just Again, out on my little jogs in the Heritage Hills and Maesta Park areas of Oklahoma City. I'm like, I could see. Also, the cost of living here is very, very affordable compared to other places. And it's one heck of a place. Anyway, Mark, thank you for supporting the show. We really appreciate you. And we would not be doing it without you. The maestro.

On your mark. On your mark. Get set. Get set. Now ready. Ready. Go.

Everybody rattle, rattle.

We've got to thank another dazzling donor, Aaron Leninger in, okay, this is crazy. What are the chances Aaron Leninger would be in Manila in the Philippines, Andrew? You love vanilla. Aaron says, hey, Luke and Andrew, this is Aaron, the 10 who walked on her hands in the TBTL talent show last year. I remember that, Aaron. That was fun, by the way, that talent show. It was. Why don't we do anything fun anymore? We never do anything fun, Andrew.

You don't take me anywhere, Luke.

You may remember that my parents' dog, Scoot, stole the show by sitting directly in front of the camera. Anyway, I just wanted to say a huge thank you for another awesome year of all things TBTL. This special pod cart has kept me company while living abroad for many years. And this year, I'm super excited to be moving back to the States, to the Portland area, no less. Ah, Aaron, the timing. I just moved to Oklahoma City, so we just can't seem to get on the same page. Um, uh, where I will hopefully get the chance to meet some fellow tens IRL and possibly attend a live event, uh, one post pandemic day, which brings me to my dazzling donor message. I want to give a shout out to my brother, Eric, who is a fly fishing guide in Portland and the website is fly fish, Portland.com fly fish, Portland.com every Friday night at 7 PM. He does a live stream from the IG handle at NWFFO, Northwest Fly Fishing Outfitters, where he ties a fly, drinks red wine out of a straw, tells tangent-filled stories, and occasionally auctions off the fly he ties as a way to bring attention or raise money for various causes. He's pretty low-key about the whole thing, so as much as I'd love for any interested tens to check out his work, I'd also love it if we could please keep this shout-out from me on the show down low. okay oh i see in other words i believe what aaron is saying is please if you're a 10 or if you're one of the androids or if you're a hyzer head and you go to aaron's brother's fly fishing thing on instagram do not say that it was promoted here okay everybody just be cool for once be cool

okay like me when i stole that cop's hat the other night i'm gonna give that um instagram handle again in case anybody is interesting it's at NWFFO

and you know what that sounds kind of like a wonderful thing on a Friday night like pour yourself a drink kind of hang out there's something very zen about fly tying

there's a crazy

I said a podcast a book it all blends together but there's a pretty crazy story about this about this guy who was kind of a genius fly tire who it turned out had been burglarizing museums in the UK to get old plumage from from extinct birds that was very valuable to tie into these flies have we talked about

this on the show no again they're not reusable either right like I don't know anything about fly fishing didn't you do a story on fly fishing did I is that how I know this I don't know

Andrew what's happening to me like I can't remember if I read this if I listened to it but like yeah the story of this uh kid who was quite precocious and and like was very big in the in the kind of exotic uh fly tying community because he had access to these like and they're just like the most amazing names for these birds but these sort of special you know feathers and plumage from birds that are extinct and it turned out that he had like pulled this caper where he like broke into like a bird like a museum in the UK and filled up these suitcases with like millions

of dollars of plumage just to tie them up and then get them wet in the water and possibly

no I don't know if you actually fish with them it might be more of a collector's thing they're very beautiful as well anyway we're not sure if that's Aaron's brother or not I'd say it's 50-50 but even I mean that's just another reason to tune in because you never know what's going to happen so anyway aaron thank you so much for supporting tbtl and welcome back to the states soon maybe we will see you somewhere around portland way hello and welcome to top story all right our top story today is the uh the just vicious vicious online battle between uh my friend and former colleague andrea seabrook and one bill shatner who decided to just put his whole ass out there on the internet yesterday for basically no reason from my point of view it's a beautiful story i love your story we're gonna hear that story right now with andrea seabrook andrea welcome to tbtl hey it's great to be here once again when is the last time we talked to you oh my god i think it's been years i think it's

about decode dc maybe oh i don't remember my god the number of things i have done since then it's like my life is a dizzying swirl and then yesterday it turned into like the vortex of stupid on twitter so you know i i don't what happened so so let's start at the beginning you wanted what did what did you want to get william shatner to do with you okay so i'm like just for a week traveling through, like, Iowa and Missouri doing some projects down here. And I happened to go through a place called Riverside, Iowa, which turns out just like a tiny town in the middle of Amish country, right? So you're, like, passing the horse and buggies and stuff. And suddenly you come to this place that claims to be, like, a giant Star Trek, Trekkie center of interest, which is, I mean, like, the road signs have...

little enterprises on them. It's very strange. There's like a green elevator in town and then enterprise, you know, outlines everywhere. Anyway, so it turns out that in some Trek thing, it is, you know, it's mentioned that Captain Kirk is born, was born in Riverside, Iowa. So this place has fashioned itself as the future birthplace of Captain Kirk. And they have a monument, which is like behind a hair salon you have to like walk through this alley and if and um so anyway so i've been i did a little like live stream there uh on my youtube channel just silliness and um and then i thought holy cow i should see if william shatner wants to talk because there's like a little museum in town and like pictures of him and i thought yeah could be fun so i sent a tweet to william shatner that said i i it's off the top of my head but it He's basically like, hey, William Shatner, want to come on my live stream from Riverside, Iowa? Your fans there miss you because they, like, love him down there, right? And then I said, because, you know, I'm sure he gets a lot of random tweets. I wrote, I'm a real reporter. We met at NPR because I interviewed him once a million years ago about, I think, Boston Legal or something that he was on at the time. So it was totally innocuous, right?

I have to say, Andrea, when I saw this at first, because I follow you on Twitter, so I got up yesterday morning and I just saw your initial tweet, and I thought, there's no way he's going to respond to that. I was like, this is just like spitting into the wind. And then I was shocked shortly thereafter to see that he, in fact, had responded.

Yeah, totally. But you know what's funny? In this universe, since the last time you and I worked together, Luke, Twitter became existent, right? And actually, I've had a lot of luck reaching out to celebrities on Twitter and getting really interesting interviews because they're not on a press junket. They're not like saying the same thing over and over again. And they want to do something interesting and weird, right? So I just, yeah, it's spitting in the wind. Like maybe one in 10 times I do something like this, someone responds. I totally didn't expect him to, right? but he responds and says something to the effect of well a real journalist wouldn't you know reach out on twitter right yeah uh and knows the proper channels or something like that so i'm like yeah

okay whatever man your response was so polite though i reread it like kind of we were sort of we were sort of live narrating this yesterday on this show because i was like looking at my phone And your response was very nice. You were just like, well, you know, you basically said, like, well, I didn't go through your handlers because that usually makes it harder to get you on. But it's not like this isn't your thing. So, hey, no, you know, no problem. Like you were totally gracious.

I was I didn't know the background of this. Luke had mentioned on the show that, you know, there was a little Twitter beef going on. And I don't know how much you're in touch with Luke these days, but Luke's always got stories from Twitter and sometimes they pay off. And frankly, sometimes they don't. I'm sorry, Luke. And in this case, I'm like, OK, we'll see what the Twitter beef is. And then I went from just like, we'll see, to appalled, like appalled in 20 seconds. You could not have been nicer and more gracious, and he just keeps dumping on you. Like, just, what the, what is wrong with this man?

Right, and the thing that's so weird is like, you know, I didn't, I just said something back like, hey, sorry, didn't mean to, whatever, you know, no biggie. But the fact that he had basically questioned whether I was a real journalist meant that, like, all these other friends of mine who have followers in the tens and hundreds of thousands jumped in and were like, she is a real journalist. People are like, she's a national treasure. Yesterday, I felt great about myself because it was like I went from, you know, nothing to William Shatner blocking me to, like, people saying I was a national treasure.

i saw somebody here in oklahoma city with a sign that said we stand with andrea just on the street i mean it's a national movement at this point

yeah it was totally insane so yeah so he starts all these people jump in they're like oh andrea's so great and then william shatner starts tweeting like things like oh um a real journalist wouldn't sick like a mob on me you know and and literally he said that i was publicly shaming him and i'm sitting here thinking oh right andrea seabroke has all the power in this situation to publicly

shame william shatner you know he just told on himself it was it was amazing because like i don't really think about william shatner that much i mean i don't of my list of like you know 1,000 people who I'd like.

to hang out with i don't know that he makes the list but i'm certainly not you know blacklisting um but then he and he just wouldn't stop now here's one thing i'm just noticing this now as i'm going through your uh tweets and let's let's be let's be uh fair here it looks like at a certain point you couldn't stop jabbing back a little bit though too is this right i'm seeing i'm seeing that he just tweeted out later in the day by the way in case you're a reporter for a real in quotes publication i'm actually swamped for the next few weeks with a publicity interview for my upcoming movie and other projects so the answer is no to any more interview requests and you responded what did i say oh god thanks very much if you're ever interested in doing something that doesn't sound like every other publicity interview your fans are here and waiting it's not that bad i mean

No, considering how hard he came at you. Yeah, and the thing is, he was saying basically, go through the proper channels, and asked why I would not go through. And so I had made the case that when you go through the proper channels, what you get is you get put on the list of the 25 interviews that he's going to do that day with the talking points about the product that he's, you know, is lacking. And that's just not what I'm looking for. Like, I was looking for five minutes on the phone on a live stream from Riverside, Iowa, the future birthplace of Captain Kirk. So, you know, I don't know. Maybe I got a tiny bit snarky. There was a point yesterday where I realized that me retweeting things that other people were saying about me, I guess, could be construed as me kind of egging it on. but then i go back and i'm like look man this this is william shat he's got you know so he's got hundreds of thousands of followers millions of fans like he's like a two and a half million

followers on twitter yeah this is asymmetric yes this is not punching down on your part at all

right right you know what else is funny like i had people dming me saying things like are you okay And he's like, yeah, man, I'm totally fine. Are you kidding? Like, this is fabulous for my numbers. Shit, you know?

Did you get a bunch? I started following you yesterday. Sorry I wasn't before. Did you get a whole bunch of new followers?

Oh, my God, yeah. I got, like, 250 new followers in, like, three hours, you know? And then I went on my, of course, in true, like, shameless YouTuber fashion. Everything is content. A whole live stream. I did a whole live stream with some Star Trek weirdos and fans last night. We talked about it. But there are some actually interesting ideas underlying. I keep calling it the vortex of stupid because it really was the stupidest thing. I couldn't believe I was going on a live stream to talk about this right after the president of the United States had just been on TV talking about the vaccine and the pandemic, right? And now here I am, Andrea Seabrook, like, talking about fucking William Shatner. Can I speak like that on the show? I'm sorry. But anyway, like, yeah, go ahead.

Oh, I just, you know, I, because, of course, as a white male, it's my job to center myself in every narrative. I was a little, the way that we started talking about this on the show yesterday was I was 5% worried that I was going to get a little heat from him because I had responded to you kind of, as the young people would say, spilling a little bit of tea on him, that basically he was like, he was an okay guest once we got him on the radio, but when he called in to wait, wait, he was the only guest that I've ever been on the show when the guest just doesn't call in. And we had to keep doing the show, and then we did the whole show, and then when we were about to leave, they were like, okay, William Shatner finally called in, which is like, We've had, like, Supreme Court justices that can, like, make it on time, you know, for that show. And so I mentioned that in my tweet to you, and then I was like, oh. And then he was, like, looping NPR into it. He was, like, using at NPR, like, is this what your journalists do? And I was like, oh, shit, I hope this isn't a whole thing. I hope I don't get a call from Doug Berman being like, why are you talking shit about William Shatner on the net?

Right, and I had just said we met at NPR, and I was afraid that he was going to, like, make it seem like I'm walking around saying, oh, I work for NPR, which I don't, and I have it for years, you know? Right. So, like, I was worried about – it was just – it's just one of those moments where – the thing that really got me is he had all this power and is using it in this very strange way, and then he turned himself into a victim of some, like –

something that apparently I started it was so strange the whole thing was strange but um but there are some underlying interesting like journalistic issues here like how much do you uh you know do things quote unquote the right way you know um to get an interview like and it's fine I mean I totally expect anyone to a ignore me b say you know oh send an email to this place It's just my PR person. Like, fine. But then another interesting thing happened on the live stream last night. Very important news here. Like, five or six other people who are just, like, Trek fans came into my, like, wrote into my show saying that they also had been blocked by William Shatner. And interestingly, a couple of them said they had to, I mean, they care a lot about this, right? They had to go and raise a certain amount of money for Shatner's horse charity in order to get unblocked by him on Twitter.

What a maniac.

I know. But it's interesting because I'm sitting there explaining to these people, well, I won't do that because I won't pay for access. That's basically asking me to pay for access, and that's not what journalism is. And it just shows that someone is like, there's these conspiracy theories. Well, he's just trying to raise money for his horse charity, and so he's blocked people. He's, like, total off the rails. I mean, totally off.

For people who think that, you know, QAnon is too coherent a conspiracy theory, we have William Shatner cyberbullying Andrea Seabrook so as to raise money for horses. I have a prediction, Andrea, which is that you at some point in your life will interview William Shatner. i i for some because he is i don't like honestly i bet you if you woke him up from a dead sleep like a week from now he'd he either wouldn't remember that he had done this or he would feel totally differently about it he just seems like a nutcase who would totally talk to you at some point despite this whole thing i have this weird feeling that at some point your paths will cross

and he will actually do an interview with you right and i you know i've spoken to him before and he was lovely. And so I don't know what's going on. There were other conspiracy theories that maybe he had, like, you know, a 15-year-old running his Twitter feed or something.

The person from Wendy's? Or one of those, like, real corporate, one of those young people that runs, like, a corporate brand but really snarky and cool.

Yeah, yeah. I did learn yesterday why people intentionally troll and get into fights, you know, because suddenly everybody's paying attention to me, you know?

If you do end up interviewing him, there is a chance you're going to have to do it dressed up as a horse. Just be aware of that and maybe keep an eye out for horse masks and the like.

Sure. No, you have to be like one of those horses from the movies where, Andrea, like you're the front of the horse and then maybe your producer is the back of the horse.

Luke, you have to do it with me. You have to be the back of the horse. You get to be the horse of that.

Okay, you know what? Beware, because we're old friends, I will do you that solid. I will take part in this caper with you. Anyway, well, Andrea, for people who don't want to block you on the Internet, where can people find out what you're doing and watch your stuff and all that? Where should people go?

Yeah, so my YouTube channel is easy to find. It's just Andrea Seabrook. And on Twitter, I'm Radio Babe. And those are the best places to find me. I spend most of my life seemingly now on Discord. And I have a Discord server, but I generally invite people to that once they've kind of introduced themselves. Happy to have people come along. And I'm playing with some really weird-ass projects that people might be interested in, like starting a political party. Luke, I am starting a political party. Wow. It's called the Dan Fine Party. Count me as a supporter.

Just based on my experience with you, I'm in. I'll change my affiliation.

Quick real question here. and I know we didn't have you on to explain social media to me, but I keep on hearing Discord all over the place. I tried to log in one time, and I got really scared, and I ran away. If I tried again to get into Discord, how would we find you there?

I'm Seabrook hashtag 0001.

Okay. Maybe this will be a reason for me to figure it out, 0001. All right.

Have you ever used Slack or Teams?

Yeah.

All it is is like a messaging platform like that. Oh, okay. That's just what all the kids are doing. All right.

Yeah, I see Discord. I see that get mentioned, usually adjacent to some sort of cryptocurrency conversation, and I also get scared and walk back slowly away from my computer.

You totally need to.

need a discord server for tbtl it's it's so awesome all right really all right well we'll

we'll get on that um andrea thank you for uh taking the time today to check in from missouri and tell us about what you've been up to and don't be a stranger let's let's catch up again soon

excellent excellent good to see you guys all right good to talk to you thanks andrea yep has there ever been a time i haven't hung up i'm not trying to steal we're allowed to borrow

all things kevin and bean because they no longer do their show i feel like that and i i feel like bean would because you know i just realized this the other day fry yay which i say jokingly that's

a total bean thing he championed i don't he didn't come up with it but he was championing it right

i just mean yeah a long time ago yeah and like i i think i must have just like seen him write it on twitter and then internalized it and you know i i think it's kind of silly but like many things on the show i started saying it as a joke and then at some point the mask fit um but it's like so i'm i'm i'm ripping off fry yay from bean and and now we're just ripping off the hanging up on people mid goodbye as our as our common uh way of ending a phone conversation every time you hear kevin do

it you think it's like a bit and i swear i'm not doing it on purpose it turns out me and kevin are

just legitimately incompetent all right uh we didn't do our lightning round of the uh tech stories let's just i'll just do this so that for you know for the couple of people that are feel unsettled going into the weekend with like 10 unaddressed top stories elon musk has launched a thousand satellites and it means that probably someday we're gonna be able to get internet anywhere on planet earth and it'll be pretty fast so i'm calling that a good thing uh uh the other thing was um there somebody sold a a painting that's a non-fungible token i just like it's a digital work of art it's not a painting actually it's just only digital and uh it sold for like 60 million dollars uh which is some kind of record and uh is impossible for me to wrap my mind around or understand but i noticed that in the same article there was a different piece that somebody bought for two hundred and seventy thousand dollars like six months ago that they then resold for six million andrew like so over the course of six months one of these things went up by whatever that factor is um i will probably figure out what a non-fungible token is right as the market collapses and there's no longer any like i've completely missed the boom uh t-mobile has said that unless you tell them to not give your info to advertisers they are going to report like your browsing tendencies to advertisers so they can target ads to you a lot of places have this but you have to opt into it may I tell you that

I only knew about that because you put it on a show sheet I think like several days ago and I got an I'm a T-Mobile customer and I got an email from them on like my like much lesser used kind of spam email account you know the thing that i the email account that i sign up for things with and the only reason i opened up that email and then opted out of this was because of you luke because of you telling me about the story via the show sheet there you go that is

white glove service my friend i appreciate it sorry to me scouring the internet so i can tell you about things to do with your personal privacy on the other hand i mean it sounds sinister but I guess if you're going to get ads blasting you wouldn't it be useful for the ads to be targeted to you a little bit I mean that's the kind of that's the dilemma here right yeah I mean we

could go on forever on this but we don't have the time my quick take on this is what you just described is exactly what I've done with my Instagram account like I've purposely kind of opted into and clicked on ads of things I just like to look at so that when I'm scrolling through instagram the ads are of their to my taste and it doesn't break up my feed uh so much however my other take on this was i was shocked that they weren't already doing this t-mobile like i thought everything was everybody stealing or not stealing but taking our information i mean i'm just shocked that i didn't know that this was a new thing i would have assumed they were doing that

for some reason instagram thinks that what i really want is a rowing machine that uses a giant bowl of water for the resistance i think i've seen like that is the number one ad on instagram for me and it's constant and i i can promise you at no time have i ever desired a rowing machine or a rowing machine that uses a bowl of water like i don't know what's going on with that but um the last thing i'll say here before we get into the music weekend is that ikea is phasing out its catalog the huge ass ikea catalog but they are releasing the last one that they're going to do as a print they're also releasing it as a podcast and it's surprisingly

I would say much more so than TBTL. It's this very lovely-sounding woman just describing what's happening on the pages of the IKEA catalog. Oh, my gosh. I was listening to it on YouTube the other day.

Sounds soothing.

And it's very soothing. That's exactly the word I would use. So great news for us, Andrew. There's somebody else in the podcast game, and it's IKEA.

Oh, good.

Good.

Yeah.

All right. On to music for your weekend, starting with you, my friend. What song would you like us to play?

Okay, I'll go quick here. There is a young musician who just released their, I believe, their very first record. My guess is you have heard of this artist, Luke. Claude is the name they go by. I know this because— Okay, I think you're going to like it. I don't know if I have heard of Claude. It's going to be up your alley. It's just kind of like new and hip. I would have expected that maybe Adelaide would have played it for you or something.

Oh, I'm sure Addie knows about it, but I'm sure that it's just maybe not one that she's mentioned to me.

And I will shout out the reason that I know this song is because we have a listener named Caitlin, who I mentioned, I think, in a previous music for your weekend. She had put this on a mix that she made on Spotify, and I really enjoyed it. It is called Soft Spot by Claude.

This sounds kind of strange I thought I saw you at a party But I finally got close It wasn't you I know we don't talk right now But if I saw you I'd sit down And ask about your afternoon

You made it clear that it's over now But you're that I think about So now I don't know what the hell to do Cause I've got a soft spot I've got it for you

As our buddy the Stewbot might tweet, objectively perfect.

Oh my God, I love it. I do actually know that song. Do you? I do believe my daughter has played it. I did not associate it with a singer named Claude. But oh my gosh, I love it. That reminds me a little bit of kind of like the sound of another singer named Jay Som, who I'm really into, who's kind of maybe a little bit in that in that category. Anyway. Oh, man, that is good. That's really up my alley. I love it. So I'm going to go long here a little bit because this brings to a close the week in which this podcast was turned over into being a Flaming Lips fan cast. i promise you as of monday no more mentions of that band but i do want to play a song by them that's from their kind of latest album um which uh which is called american head and the song is uh will you return when you come down this album is very kind of like mellow and kind of vibey but the reason that i wanted to give a couple of dazzling deets on it is because i think it's something you'd be interested in andrew so basically wayne coin was saying that he was watching after tom petty passed away he was watching a tom petty documentary called running down a dream and there was this little footnote in there about a time when when they were still called mud crutch yeah and they had they were on their way to play kind of a big show for them somewhere and they stopped off in tulsa to like play a warm-up show and wayne coin said that for some reason he just sort of imagined like because he had a bunch of older brothers and his older brothers were kind of fast they were kind of fast guys as in like drugs and you know music and making trouble and he just kind of came up with this weird fantasy version of his older brothers hanging out with tom petty and the heartbreakers or tom petty and mud crutch in tulsa in the like mid 1970s and and so this whole album is now when you hear it you you will not pick that up necessarily in the sound of the music it's just like very kind of spare and and and sort of delicate and beautiful but i just thought that was such he also said wayne coin said that like he'd never thought of the flaming lips as an american band because they just do weird stuff and i don't know they play you know a lot of international shows and stuff but then he was like for some reason after listening to that tom you know thinking about tom petty and and and just thinking about his band this was kind of him also first i did the first time he'd really thought of the flaming lips as being an American.

band so so this song uh is like i said you tell me you're up in mississippi tonight by the way

did you say oh yeah i go way back with mud crutch i i didn't because i would it felt like i was being fraudulent because i only know about that song because of you but i was thinking it i was definitely thinking it um so anyway yeah if we can play this it's a again it's a kind of a very mellow i don't know how to describe it song but take a listen to this it's uh the flaming lips off of their most recent album.

When you come down When you're a flower When you come down

Flower gone Now you're on the run Flower head Now all your friends are dead And they're ghosts Floating round your bed All right, so there you go.

A little a little trippy. I don't know if that's for everybody. If you do like that, you will like this record because it's like the whole album is just this. It's just kind of like a very Like I said kind of I don't know angelic sound that's also Talking about all your friends being dead

I haven't heard this album The first I'm hearing of the song but I like that This is the first track on the album it definitely Feels like this is the type of album Where you hear the song and you like kind of You buckle up for it to take you on a ride

Yeah it's good and you know I like that they're I mean they've made Like 50 records and I Like that like I have Genuinely enjoyed listening to this album You know what I mean? Because it's just like, I don't know how a band can make, like, whatever, 30 or 50 albums and have them have anything left to sing. Although that was one last thing that Wayne said to me. He was like, you know, it's weird. Because I asked him that question. I was like, how are you still making music that's interesting? And he goes, it's weird because nobody says that about painting. Nobody's like, oh, you did your hundredth painting. Like, how are you still painting? It's like, no, you're getting better at it. and it was like the weird thing is I think we think about music as like after a while you've said all that you need to say and now we're like kind of done listening to you that's interesting

yeah and I wonder if it has to do with you got to go but I wonder if that also has to do with like the idea of rock and roll you know if you consider this rock and roll but you think of pop music as belonging to the young in a certain way right and so yeah after a certain point you've aged out of what's what is kind of cool and new but then you have other people like John Prine who turned it

on the head so right well our listener suggestion comes from listener britney i don't know what britney is referencing here but she says to make up to make up for my last suggestion here's some actually good music by one of my absolute favorite kansas city performers so i don't know did we did we play a song by britney at some point and it was roundly criticized or is it just one we didn't play and britney is thinking that i listened to it and thought it was terrible and she's she's joining the uh growing group of people who are angry at me will soon be assembling with pitch forks yeah and also pitchfork.com over me not playing their music for your weekend i don't know but britney says so my favorite kansas city performers his name is uh calvin arsenia he's a great vocalist but i first saw him perform as a harpist and i never knew that the harp could be so hot yes those are my words he definitely is made for the stage headlights is probably the best introduction song but he also has a great cover of toxic uh both would be good for the music for your weekend i thought we would play head uh headlights andrew just because that's will be new music for folks whereas we've all heard britney um he also has a podcast with justin randall called we were christian kids that i like where the guys discuss their christian upbringing and how that has changed them as they grew up. Happy Friday. Fri-yay. Oh, there you go. Another person ripping off bean. Yes. Happy Fri-yay, Time Bandit Brittany in Kansas City. So that's what we're going to go out with is this song by a guy named Calvin Arsenio. And that is going to bring us to the end of our broadcast week. Thank you, everybody, for hanging out with us. Thanks for being part of TBTL. We will be right back here on Monday with more Imaginary Radio for you. Until then, enjoy your weekend. Stay safe. And please remember, no mountain too tall.

And good luck to all.

Condensed there was ever a cure

Waiting around Perpetual slow motion Land obsolescence Already back to patching the seams It ain't what it seems to be

Over and over and over and over again I fall apart Over and over and over and over again I fall too hard But I'm gonna be okay Whether you're in or off

Power out.