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all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a monday edition of tbtl the show that just might be too beautiful to live we are living in the midst of a podcast boom my name is luke burbank i'm your host that's a tuna bro coming to you from beautiful yahats oregon right here on the beach in the pacific northwest good god lemon your breath when did you find time to eat a diaper that you found on the beach i don't know if you all can hear the um fresh salty sea air blowing into this beautiful beach house that my brother-in-law Josh and my sister Sarah rented have been nice enough to let me set up shop in here to do the show on a Monday morning. But boy, this is really lovely out here, everyone. And we've got a lovely show in store for you. It's episode 3,444 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. You really know what your lane is as a podcast based on the kind of news stories that people associate you with. And over the weekend, something happened that really indicated strongly to me what space we play in as a show. If I had my bell with me, I would ding it right there. And that is apparently the space of people having number two problems. Because roughly 30 people sent me the story about this ultimate slip and slide show on NBC being shut down due to an outbreak of explosive diarrhea on the slip and slide. So we've got to give the people what they want. We will be talking about that today on the show. Also, Jeff Bezos is going into space. He auctioned off another spot on his rocket over the weekend for $28 million. That is illogical, Ensign. Odors cannot travel through the vacuum of space. and as i often do i have a weird subtle beef with this story with with really with what jeff bezos is actually doing uh so we will get into that also an 84 year old former farmer in england has become a very unlikely youtube asmr star with his peaceful comforting voice peace and love peace and love it's got like 9 million views on youtube he also doesn't know what youtube is so um we will get to that time permitting uh we will get to this guy right now he is the longest running cobro of the show maybe best known for his drawings of the tall ships i'm just gonna shut the sliding glass door for a minute while my brother-in-law backs his very apparently squeaky Toyota 4Runner out of the driveway here in Yahats and continuing by welcoming Andrew Walsh to the show. He is ready on this Monday morning. Ziggle zag it. Let's get back at it. He's joining me from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington, where there's

much less going on, I presume. Good morning, my friend. Hey, I live a very full life over here. There's a lot going on over here. I know. I don't mean like just like in your life. I just mean there are fewer people backing up vehicles like three feet from where you're doing. I always do this thing where I want there to be like more kind of theater of the mind more odd interesting audio which is why i chose well i chose the spot where i'm sitting for a couple reasons one it's as close to the router for the wi-fi as possible and two uh it is you know right at ground level looking out on the beautiful pacific ocean here in yahats and then i open the door and then immediately when i start the show andrew i feel mortified because all kinds of people are walking past me right now with their dogs and enjoying the beach.

I look like a maniac.

I feel that, and I didn't want to say this because I didn't want to get in your head, but I can definitely tell that you have the tone. We've been doing this together for a while. You have the tone of a man who doesn't want to be overheard doing his podcast. I know this tone. I know this tone. Oh, man. It's okay. You're doing fine. Like, you're doing fine.

I was trying to channel. People might not have expected this, but you really pep-talked me up for the thawne because i was really worried about that exact phenomenon of us being places where people were not expecting to overhear part of a podcast and you said look just we have to just like basically get into character we're just people that do this thing and i did that and it felt great that week i didn't feel very much embarrassment but apparently i forgot your sage advice about two minutes before the show because yeah it was definitely like people are walking by they're like okay why is this guy yelling yahats we all know where we are there's no reason to yell it sir no you um and

again i hesitated to say that it was just that the conversation was sort of naturally leaning towards there you sound fine and again it's not like you have to sound the same all the time like you know shouting in our studios you sound i'm glad i'm glad that you're there i have never heard of yahats before but i'm glad you're me neither i just learned it's not called yakits oh yeah it

It looks like it should be. Don't talk back it. Yahatz. I'm just going to try to do a yakety yak, but say Yahatz, and that fell apart. Yeah, it looks like it would be pronounced, it's like Y-A-C-H, maybe A-T-S, but it is, in fact, Yahatz. And every time I say that, I want to say, yeah, it's like that Yahoo yodeler from about 20 years ago.

Right, right, right. Which I never went in for you. Yahoo still exists. Does you who still exist is the other question.

It does, because people can't get enough chocolate water. Yeah, you know, it's got to be a it's got to be a Utica thing where, like, basically, if you grew up with it, it makes total sense. But if you didn't grow up with it, like I did not grow up with it, it seems kind of gross to me.

You know, I had it a few times as a kid. We weren't like well-stocked in it. Like we were well-stocked in that New York seltzer that was pretty – that had its moment in the 80s and then a resurgence recently. And we were well-stocked on Werner's. Oh, sure. My parents are big on Werner's now.

So Werner's has a ginger beer that my parents are just wild for.

Oh, really? It's kind of a new – so it's not the straight-up old – because Werner's was like ginger ale, but it was a ginger ale that tasted like no other ginger ale. It almost had a medicinal taste. But we had a lot of that in our refrigerator, maybe because they knew that we wouldn't drink it. I don't know. But anyway, I had a yoo-hoo or two in my day. I remember it being a tasty treat. I don't think it's something I would want to go back to. You know what? I was having a nostalgic – oh, I'm sorry. First of all, we've just been so middle-aged on the show recently, or at least I feel like I have been, just like taking it back to just— Speak for yourself. Yes, sorry. That was on me. Nostalgia town. And also, there's a chance this has already come up, so get out your bingo cards. But anyway, I was having a distinct, like, nostalgic—I went on this nostalgic rant in my head. Not rant. Sorry, I'm losing my words. We'll start over in three, two, one. I was going down memory lane.

And I don't want to get in your head, but you sound like a person who doesn't want anyone to overhear you co-hosting this podcast.

Like literally the people who I'm going to be distributing it to in an hour. My apologies for that. I totally lost my words there. You know what I'm going to tell the story? I'm just going to tell the story from the damn beginning. That's what you all get from me forgetting my words.

I thought you were going to say, I'm going to tell this story through song.

i was walking with genevieve uh on friday night we're gonna go get dinner at a chinese restaurant in our neighborhood and uh i passed this is a weird journey i'm taking you on i'm you don't need this lead up but it's the only way i could get back into my groove um and i passed a piece of detritus on the ground and in somebody's garden actually along roosevelt and it was a cap for one of those Starbucks bottles of, what do they call those things? A little like kind of cappuccino in a bottle.

Yeah, frappuccino, but like a,

is that what they call the one that's in the glass container? Maybe, that sounds right. So let's say frappuccino. Everybody knows what I'm talking about, right? It was just a little piece of litter. It was just the metal cap. And for a second, it must have triggered something in my brain that made me think.

I know exactly where you're going with this.

That it seemed like litter from an old timey, from like, it just seemed old because so much of our litter and bottle caps today are plastic. And then that sent me, I don't know why, where do you think I'm going to go? I thought you were going to say it reminded you of a Snapple cap. No, very close, though. It reminded me of the old Gatorade bottles. And I was telling Veves, I don't, I mean, I drank a lot of Gatorade growing up, or maybe, like, when I was playing, like, freshman football or what have you. And I drink it a lot as an adult now, too, especially when I'm, like, going to the gym. And at some point, they made the transition from the glass bottles with the metal lids to plastic bottles. And I don't remember that change happening. I don't remember having any opinions on it. I mean, I couldn't, you know, maybe it just happened when I was in high school and not drinking a lot of Gatorade, and then when I started drinking Gatorade as an adult, there were plastic bottles, and I didn't think anything of it. Until recently, I don't know if it was in a TV commercial or a, I think it was an old TV commercial maybe we were talking about after these messages, and everybody had the old glass bottles of Gatorade, and I was just overwhelmed with nostalgia. I could feel it in my hands. It kind of had that almost marbly outside of the glass container. Like pebbled a little bit. perfect word and probably that was by design so that people who are sweating and working out don't the bottle wouldn't slip out of their hands right and then the big g that i believe was kind of emblazoned or kind of built into the the glass was smooth like i could feel it in my hand i could hear the pop of the of the metal lid uh popping you know the freshness seal popping as i opened it and i was just like overcome with this and i was like it's not like something that i bemoaned like mcdonald's i recently learned in the past couple of years you know stopped selling the um high c orange and i bemoaned that uh i don't remember bemoaning the design change but man i i wouldn't mind getting my big old hand around an old school gatorade bottle i i mean they've switched everything

to plastic and i wonder if that is because because i mean isn't plastic arguably worse right now for the environment than glass is i mean was it just a cost measure because the glass seems much more

recyclable much more easily recycled than plastic right it seems that way i mean i'm the i'm the wrong person to ask and i'm sure people in our audience will know better but i think though it's got to be a cost thing it's got to be like so much less expensive to produce the plastic bottles and we're not huge on glass litter like let's face it like litter is a problem and having glass bottles all over the place or especially like if you have if you are in a football field or a tennis court and one and somebody drops one of those things there's an advantage to it not

being glass too i always apply that principle to alcohol i try to not buy any like liquor in a shatterproof bottle because i feel like the manufacturer at that point has already indicated what their opinion of you is there is like you're probably going to be dropping this so let's just

make it plastic when i go to my local safeway they have um you know like their their booze section you have to hit a little call button so that somebody will unlock it for you uh and you can you can get your booze out of there and as you know luke i'm a jim beam person myself and they have the glass bottles like a glass fifth and then next to it they have the plastic kind that you see scattered on the ground outside you know um and they always ask me which one i want and sometimes they're out of the glass one and they give me the plastic one and i'm i'm buying the exact same amount of the exact same liquor but i feel like such a dirt bag with the plastic bottle i know

exactly i would go to a different safeway hey what's up little luke my nephew by the way is wandering by to admire the to see what uncle luke does for uh work and you know his face is is telling i thought it was a roomba man i was like oh no hey i have human friends too like my nephew luke if you get another roomba name it little luke man oh man um speaking of kind of nostalgia trips let me just say on the subject of like the gatorade bottle and the snapple bottle this is what i really miss about that era of drink containment is that like you said that lid popping yeah to let you know that this had been not had had not been tampered with there was just something very i feel like that's not part of the plastic drink experience anymore yeah yeah and

this it's more that little apple too right snapper was the same exact thing and the snapper had those

little jokes and riddles and questions and things on the inside of the

cap. Right. And then Nantucket Nectars tried to bite their rhyme a little bit, right? And they would have little facts about New England. Did you drink Nantucket Nectars?

I didn't. I've seen it, and I know that it was ubiquitous, but I didn't have a lot of it. Here's my question. Is Snapple still a thing? I believe so. I think so. Okay. I guess it's just not something that I interact with a ton. Anyway, speaking of nostalgia trips, you'll appreciate this, Andrew. This is a very lovely house that Sarah and Josh rented, but it does have some elements of that like kind of beach cabin, lake cabin vibe that I love so much. We were just talking about this over coffee a little bit earlier, which is like when you're a kid and you stay somewhere, maybe your family rents a little cabin and it's just got kind of like a random assortment of books and games and maybe the games are even missing a few pieces or clues. I am holding down my show sheet with a DVD. It's Uncle Buck.

It'd be better if it's VHS, but that's still pretty good.

Well, they do have some VHS too, but I just grabbed what was nearby because I've got this, again, I've got this sliding glass door open for reasons that elude both the listeners and me at this point because I'm kind of cold and it's noisy and it's making me quiet. But it's also blowing the show sheet off of my little makeshift workspace. And so I reached over to where the TV is to grab something, and it was a DVD of Uncle Buck, which I just feel like is – you're right. Maybe a VHS tape would be the platonic ideal of this idea, but just the fact that they've got Uncle Buck on DVD here and I could watch it if I want to. Even though I could go home and watch Uncle Buck on 40 different streaming services, I like the idea that it's sitting here on a DVD.

do me a favor when you're done with the show go around the house and count out uh count up how many ian fleming books you can find in the book right i don't know if that's universal or not definitely like i feel like there is a vibe of the kind of books that you always find in a lake house night or a beach house or a lake house and i love it so much and you know there's a randomness and there's a beach read vibe now i do know there is one specific cabin that like a family member rented this is like fifth going back 15 years or more maybe um that it was uh it was kind of a get together for Genevieve's family and this one cabin happened to have like tons of Ian Fleming books so that's I don't know if that's like kind of a universal but generally speaking though I love

the bookshelf lots of spy stuff okay hold on stay right where you are I'm going to step over to the bookshelf now I'm on the ground floor there's a couple of different floors to this place and so um I don't know I can't speak to the the upstairs and what the selection is there but see you guys later everybody's going on a walk without me Andrew so unless the listeners think that this job isn't a sacrifice I'm missing out on a beach walk no joke how much

do you just want to get listen I'm not saying this to disrespect the listeners but how much do you just want to get through this show today so you can enjoy beach life you know

I'm bored of these people I'm actually excited to talk to you I've been with them for a while it's like alright we get it let's get some new stories get some new anecdotes go take a picture of a Gatorade cap please and tell me about it I'm going to just reach over and grab like three or four books and then run through them we'll see if they fit in with the idea of beach book vibe hold on okay hold on

coming back this was a lot alright here we are

Andrew this is a freaking trove what do you got this is a trove just based on the top book that I see here so I've got like I don't know, 10 books. Just the top one is right out of Central Casting. John Grisham, The Rainmaker.

Oh, I mean, come on, dude. I don't know that particular title, but yeah, Grisham is right on target.

I mean, that was, I forget who was in it. They made a movie out of this. It's, as you might imagine, a legal thriller.

That was turned into a movie, huh?

Yeah, believe it or not, I hope you're sitting down. This is a John Grisham book that was turned into a movie.

Francis Ford Coppola directed. No kidding.

Okay, wasn't Matt Damon in that?

Yeah, it's Matt Damon I was looking at his face and I just was getting to his name Oh, Danny DeVito, Danny Glover Wow, a lot of Dannys Claire Danes, who I call Claire Danny So that's cool

Right I don't know this name, but I bet you our listeners will Somebody named Graham Masterton The book is The Devil in Grey Let me just read you the back of it

Please, I love this

Okay, this is a little dark, by the way, trigger warning I'm just reading it as it's printed on the book, but it's a little violent, so I apologize. And if you're sensitive to that, I just want to give you a heads up. A young woman brutally hacked into pieces in her Virginia home with a weapon over 100 years old. A retired army officer butchered by an invisible attacker. A young man blinded in his bathtub, then boiled alive. Well, garbage is here, Andrew. You'll be relieved to know.

Oh, is that what that is? Nice.

It was a good garbage deal over here, by the way. Oh, good. Glad to hear it. What Malevolent Nightmare Stalked Them. This is some kind of, so this is like a supernatural thriller, I would guess. What's interesting, though, is, so that's Graham Masterton. And then the next book is by someone called Faye Kellerman. And I swear to God, these are almost the same book. Maybe the same person wrote both of them under different nom de plumes. This is from the international bestseller of, this book is Jupiter's Bones. Okay, I'm legit going to shut this because that garbage truck is super loud.

It's just a theater of the mind, though.

Well, again, this is, I mean, since we're already saying things that are inappropriate or might trigger the listeners, this is basically porn for you, right, Andrew? The sound of a garbage truck? A garbage truck rolling up on time as scheduled, running down the driveway, getting... Here we go, Andrew. Drink it up. Oh. Thank you. You give him a wave. I waved at him. Nice, nice. So this Faye Kellerman book looks like it's written by the same person or certainly published by the same people who published the Graham Masterton book. Because they're just kind of from that genre.

Before you give it away, tell me, is her book a Peter Decker novel or a Rena Lazarus? Apparently, these are her series.

This is a Dr. Emile Gans.

Gans.

Dr. Emile Gans was always extraordinary in death as well as life. A physicist whose theories of cosmology thrilled the world, he disappeared at the peak of his fame to emerge years later as Jupiter, leader of a community that preached a bizarre blend of mathematics and mysticism. I'd read that, actually. That didn't sound terrible.

Do you know that Kellerman sued the writers of Shakespeare in Love because she feels they stole the plot line from her 1989 novel, The Quality of Mercy? I can't believe that you would just happen to know that off the top of your head. I'm a Kellerman head, man.

Yeah. Real heads know, as you might say. Next up, again, primo summer reading, Michael Connelly, The Brass Verdict.

Ooh, tell me about this. Now, I feel like my mom had some Michael Connellys kicking around the house.

Yeah, like Michael Connelly is – I have not read his stuff, but I know people love him. He's one of the best-selling authors in American history. After two years of wrong turns, defense attorney Mickey Haller is back in action. His former colleague Jerry Vincent has been slain, and Haller inherits his biggest case yet, defending a Hollywood producer accused of multiple murders. With a key part of the defense strategy missing, Haller scrambles to prepare for trial, then files for discovery, a motion that is turned down by the judge. Then he asks for a change of venue. I'm kidding. I'm adding in. What's the most boring legal component of this story?

Although I got to say, so this guy is writing more of that kind of crime noir detective stuff. And that is my jam. That is my summer jam. That is my vacation jam. In fact, I just bought an old school one. I had an appointment the other day, but I arrived way too early by bus. And there was a bookstore nearby. And I hadn't been to a bookstore in forever. Also, literally the largest slash fattest cat I've ever seen in my life. probably not very healthy for the cat but amazing to look at just i've seen some big cats i've just never seen a cat that was so disproportionately big for its frame anyway i bought a daschle hammett book there so that goes back to like i think that's probably like the 1940s or whatever but i i love that stuff i love noir-y kind of detective books both the neo-noir ones and the

old ones can i just mention andrew that santa came early and came back a second garbage truck is now Swinging by They must be like The people that do The recycling

Yes Or they heard Maybe there's a guy Who waves at us When we go down Right

They were like We've got a garbage Enthusiast podcast That's recording In Yaha Let's just give them The Here we go So not Not one But two visits From the refuse Ferry Here in Yaha Okay Let's wrap this up With a little Patricia Cornwell Predator Or, as our friend Camaro Kev would say, Predator. Patricia Cornwell. Is this a name that sounds familiar to you then? Oh, yeah. Patricia Cornwell is a very, very, very beloved and best-selling author of all kinds of... She writes these Dr. K. Scarpetta mysteries. And, in fact, that's what this one is, Predator. Predator is the terrifying new Dr. K. Scarpetta novel from America's number one best-selling crime writer. Scarpetta, now freelancing with the National Forensic Academy in Florida, digs into a case more bizarre than any she has ever faced. One that has produced not only unusual physical evidence, but also tantalizing clues about the inner workings of an extremely cunning and criminal mind.

I could get into that. Oh, man. You know what I was thinking today? And I know you said that we should go to a break here, which we should. So I have this Dashiell Hammett book Which I just started reading and I'm really enjoying it And it's making me feel Like I said, I kind of got those summer vibes Which is weird because these things tend to be dark But you know, they're page turners

I mean, I know the name Dashiell Hammett I mean, I've heard the name But I couldn't tell you anything about What Dashiell Hammett writes Other than I feel like he's from the 50s, right? Or from a while ago?

I think the 40s maybe And he's the one who wrote the Sam Spade character which of course kind of defines the noir films um got it right right right so bogart bogart right yeah that was sam spade was he sam spade i don't know what about mickey spillane that's a different

that's a whole different person that's kind of was mickey spillane the writer or the name of the character that somebody was writing that was also very sam spade um i feel like uh he was a

crime novelist, Mickey. Spillane was a crime novel. I just looked that up right now. Anyway, one thought that I had is I might go take my book and sit in a coffee shop later. And I, you know, there are two coffee shops by my house, including one by our dear friend, Broadcast Berry, a coffee shop by our dear friend. That's not the verb I was looking for. I know that he and the staff have been extra careful during the quarantine. They haven't had any kind of in-store dining. But there's another coffee shop by my house too um and i don't think they have opened up to allow people to sit in there and uh you know read books or whatever and i guess it's like bars and restaurants have opened up but coffee shops might have less of an incentive to do that i have not talked to barry about this side of things but like i almost wonder if like a coffee shop i mean in a certain way you have somebody they come in they buy one cup of coffee and they take up your real estate for right the money is

not made probably in somebody surf surfing indeed.com i guess that'd be more like maybe they were hiring but like somebody sitting there working on their their their next great screenplay whilst nursing a cup of coffee is not really where the dough is probably in the coffee business yeah

there's and so especially if you want to keep your employees safe and they're just like why would we why would we just like we're not going to sell a lot more coffee now we've probably talked about this like i i think we all have some sort of an internal clock or those of us who are filled with a modicum of shame um are have an internal clock like i don't think i'll sit at a coffee shop certainly more than an hour without buying another drink usually probably more like four to five minutes um but i know that other people do not have that clock they'll probably buy like one uh topo chico and and sit there for four hours but if they're in a cool coffee shop that mostly

focuses on Topo Chico, then yes.

But I miss that, is my point. I just want to go sit in a coffee shop and read. I read better outside my house than in my house.

I think that might be the case for a lot of people. It certainly is for me, because inside my house, there are too many distractions. And I just, you know, there are either things that I feel like I should do in terms of tidying up or whatever, or it's just like, I just know everything too well. I know how to turn on the television and operate it. I know I know instinctively what's on the DVR and has yet to be consumed like there's just there's way too many distractions. But if you put me in a coffee shop with a book or a New Yorker, I'll actually I'll actually read it because I mean, that was in this is a very unrelatable example. But when I was living in the Bay City of Bellingham, Washington, that's why I was obsessed with reading in the swimming pool, because I would get on this floaty and then I would have a book or a magazine. and it would be too much work to get out of the float again i'm not saying this is hashtag relatable content i'm just telling you it was the most kind of uh it was the most constant the most i concentrated on my reading because i was separated from all the distractions that were on land even though i was floating in a 10 foot by 20 foot you know section of water it was enough

that it just made me deeply engaged in the reading yeah and and for me like there even during the pandemic there were a few times where i would like kind of sit at my kitchen table and maybe have a beer or a cup of coffee depending on the type of the time of day i drink beer in the morning coffee at night of course like any normal person but no i like can you drink coffee right before you go to sleep i'm not that cool man only for cool people i wouldn't try to steal steal your bit um i uh but like i can sit at my little dinette table you can picture it in our kitchen we have kind of a little nook it unfortunately there's no window to look out or anything but Like I'll put my little Bose speaker there, dial up some jazz or something that isn't going to distract me and like sit there and like make a point of reading. I love that. But like I'm not somebody who will just go sit on the couch and read, which is like how I'm sure like ninety nine percent of reading happens in America is like people like to, you know, sit in their favorite chair or comfy chair or couch. But like if I'm doing that, like that's where I either get distracted by a video game or maybe a TV or most likely nodding off to sleep. you know like I like to go somewhere and that's where like if I'm in my kitchen reading I'm kind of recreating the the reading at a coffee shop or reading at a bar situation because that's where I get most of my reading done like the height of Andy's reading days were like I don't know like I guess college that maybe summer times during my college years where I'd come home but I you know I was a smoker I didn't spend a lot of time at my house so I'd always just go to a coffee shop and just park myself there for like I don't know three hours four hours a night smoke cigarettes drink coffee and just like tear through like you know like Vonnegut I can read one of those a day you know because they're so easily consumable and like that was all I was doing I wasn't distracted by

other things I am so lucky that like this for instance is a job I have and also like the live wire radio show gig and there are some our listeners are are voracious readers in fact we should try to bring back some kind of book club element or some sort of group reading projects I know our listeners love that kind of stuff because they're all brainiacs uh and many of i know like

They're all like, oh, my God, your job or one of your jobs, Luke, is to read books. That's your job. Like, what a lucky thing. And it is, of course, it does take on a certain homework feel sometimes. But, you know, it's both a blessing and a curse for me because the only reason that I've read anything at this point is because it's for Livewire and we're going to interview the person. And so I need to read the book. I end up reading a lot of stuff that I may or may not have, like, picked up. I recently read this Clint Smith book about, well, it's about the history of slavery in this country, but he goes to all these different locations that are relevant to, I mean, this is one thing that just blew my mind. He's talking about Angola State Prison in Louisiana, and he's saying, you know, this is built on what used to be a slave plantation, and now it's a prison. and the overwhelming majority of the people in the prison are black men and he's like if you if you if you leveled auschwitz and then you built a prison on top of it and then most of the people in that prison happen to be jewish you might say huh something about this system seems broken um which i don't i don't know why that hadn't it hadn't occurred to me in exactly that way i mean that is just a an important and beautifully written book that i don't know if i would have picked it up if i wasn't about to interview the guy but anyway it the blessing part of is i get to read a lot of stuff by the way right now i'm getting mean mugged by a french bulldog andrew which is adorable and also i feel the most judged i've been while doing this show sort of quasi for the public like the people are mostly i think it's windy so the people can't hear me uh too clearly but the dogs the dogs really pick up what's going on uh-huh probably attracted

by those squeaky breaks that we heard earlier yeah exactly so that sounded they're the only

they're the only ones who can hear it but anyway it's very lucky that i that i get to read books and that sometimes i have books like i said that are i may or may not have picked up just through my normal life but now i'm reading them and i'm reading them pretty carefully because i'm going to talk to somebody about it but the downside of the whole thing is i do very very very little recreational reading yeah yeah no i can imagine which i'm kind of bummed about because like you know like this week is a relatively light week for me we have a live wire is largely on tape so i've got tbtl with you and a few other things going on but i actually have a little time where i could be just reading recreationally and maybe i'll try to make that a point this week but it does what i think i need like two or three months away from my assigned reading before picking up a book and just sitting with it will feel relaxing to me and not something that has a

little bit of pressure woven into it yeah and you're not really somebody who goes into like like i like my my pulpy um kind of detective books you wouldn't even go in for that like your kind of recreational reading would still be probably like non-fiction or something like somewhat more serious than you know i guess but you know i'll tell you in the swamp in florida was it the crocs or i guess alligators damn it there are alligators in florida you know crocodiles

I have to say, though, like I I have devoured a Carl to keep it in Florida. I've developed devoured a few Carl Hyasson.

That's exactly obviously what I was referring to. Yeah. So have I. I'm down with that shit.

Yep. So, no, I get I can get into that stuff. You know, again, to bring this all the way back to where we started here, I am in this beach home with this Uncle Buck DVD. Some of the most fun reading I've ever done in my life is when I was a kid and when my parents would. we had these friends that had a lake cabin and i mean emphasis on the cabin this thing was probably maybe two rooms total and they had a big family an extended family and then we had a freaking massive family and we would they for some reason would invite us out there which was madness and it would just be people sleeping everywhere and they had all these books and i remember just like reading lots of pulpy stuff just sitting out on the screen porch um in the middle of the day just like tearing through these books and loving it i mean that's the most fun reading i've ever done in my life so i do have a soft spot for that kind of stuff yeah especially like if you're in

like some sort of a lake house or a cabin that has like the upstairs where there are like seven beds for like kids or people staying over and it's like the pitched roof the pitched ceiling in there Right, it's a little bit too low for adults Exactly, I can see myself reading up there

Yeah, so And then suddenly you're in the never ending story Yeah, that's no good Which is a whole drama, these look like good hands It's hard to hold things against the nothing You know There's a friggin Dragon yelling Utreu Gets complicated pretty fast That's why I don't read anymore, Andrew I don't want to get dragged into some kind of a never ending story type sit

That's why I don't play Space Invader style video games anymore because of the last star fighter i don't want to go up there and fight

luke i'm scared of heights i love the idea of like you somehow in the last star fighter but the most pressing issue for you is that you're afraid of heights it's not like Like, is that learning how to, like, operate the, like, weaponry on the gun? Was Lewis Gossett Jr. in that or was he in a different one that I always confuse with that film?

The only person who I know is in that film was the guy who was also in The Music Man, the movie from the 80s.

Oh, OK. All right. Well, listen, this seems like as good a time as any to take a quick break. And then when we come back, I want to update you on what's going on with the ultimate slip and slide show and all the other top stories that we have dialed up for you. So stay with us.

this is tbtl hello and welcome to top story filming of nbc's ultimate slip and slide has

been shut down indefinitely after dozens of crew members experienced awful explosive

diarrhea according to the network this story already has more details than i thought based on the verse because i had read this i saw this headline going around so i'm just going to interject right right at the beginning here because i will say that i'm actually not that i want more people to get sick but you also said something when you were setting the story up at the top of the show that made me think that maybe there have been developments or i just read the most boring version of this because i was getting the impression that this is one of those things that sounds like a great headline like oh imagine the combination of a slip and slide event and explosive diarrhea but then the story i read basically said yeah there was an outbreak nearby and one or two people who are like you know on the crew were affected by this but it sounds like

this is way bigger than whatever i read yeah according i'm getting this from uh well i started out at the wrap uh dot com but then i don't have an account there so then i had to pop over to the old new york post and you know they never yeah they never disappoint on the gruesome details on a story like this um they said the sickening conditions left people collapsing on set and quote being forced to run to porta potties according to a source uh here's for some reason i don't know why this is the part of this part of this story that cracks me up i guess this show was co-hosted by ron funches and bobby moynihan i'd heard of this like yeah i saw a blurb about this a while back but well what's funny is i saw somebody retweeting i think you know katie nolan from ESPN was retweeting Ron Funchess' account, and Ron, of course, is the comedian. He's actually been on old TBTL a million years ago, but, and I know you and Veeves were early fans of his in Seattle, Andrew.

Yeah, I think I'll take a little credit for having him on, in fact, because I saw him and he blew us away, and so when he was back in town, I think I encourage you to have him on the show.

So, first of all, that just is an interesting team to host this particular I get the sense this is one of those game shows that's just about people getting massively wet slash massively shaken up, but in a safe way. Kind of like all those other games where there's a giant foam thing whamming somebody off of a tightrope into a... You know what I mean? This is a whole summertime television experience where people are being subjected to indignities that we hope won't kill them.

I feel like there's a little bit of a Nickelodeon for the adult set vibe. you know and also double dare yeah double dare is exactly what i was thinking of i couldn't quite conjure that as you can tell and also um i feel like the this also was somewhat introduced um a couple of seasons ago with a um it wasn't rob wriggle who hosted a um like a putt-putt game

on network television do you remember oh i don't know no i don't mini golf did you guys call it

putt-putt did you know what i meant when i said putt-putt yes okay we called it mini golf where

i'm from but i think i think it was also called putt-putt in much of the country i think there

was a big goofy version of putt-putt or mini golf that was um uh it was hosted by a famous comedian i think a daily show alum um which gets us into that and also isn't this a little bit inspired by the popularity of that once one day a year espn goof called like the ocho or something that i think originally was spawned out of some movie like maybe basketball or something oh i think maybe yeah i think it might have been dodgeball oh okay dodgeball not basketball yeah i think i

could be wrong but i remember because i think jason bateman of all people plays like a kind of espn play-by-play i think the dodge the dodgeball network is being played on the ocho in that in the like the the narrative of that movie and so maybe that's where it comes from but basically They get a bunch of people, a bunch of famous athletes and other people doing these kind of silly parlor games or summertime games. There's also, I think, ABC has something called the ABC Summer Games. Oh, really? Maybe that's more game show-y as far as throwbacks like the match game and things like that. I think it's a great idea, though. I just think it's perfect.

If you have a bar or, you know, a casual restaurant with TVs like you put this on, people will always get sucked into it. You don't have to have the volume on. It's also like the American Ninja Warrior a little bit, too, you know, and those that Japanese game show that has the slippery stairs. Like I could watch. Oh, my God. I could watch that for days. Right. Exactly. Days.

I think those stairs are so slippery.

Yeah, they really are. Oh, man.

I would hear like, oh, I don't think those are that slippery. Wait, they're really slippery, aren't they? Anyway, Katie Nolan had retweeted Ron Funches, who was just, I forget exactly what he said, but what he was commenting on was, like, the headline was, like, NBC shuts down production due to explosive diarrhea. And then they're just using this headshot of Ron Funches that was just part of the media package for the Slip and Slide show. You know what I mean? Like, this photo, in fact, I bet you this photo was taken long before they tapped him to be one of the hosts of the show. It's just a standard Ron Funches. But when you when you put it next to the headline about explosive diarrhea, it gets decontextualized and recontextualized really fast. Yes, it becomes very funny. So I don't know why I love that detail of the story, but I did for some reason. Anyway, this is what NBC said. The health and safety of everyone on our set is our number one priority. So out of an abundance of caution, we made a decision to stop production of ultimate slip and slide. We're in the process of determining the next steps. This is still from the New York Post. many infected crew members blamed the mess on a lack of fresh clean water being used in the slip

and slide competitions oh see whatever i read before was distinctly misleading or the reporting was too early because i thought this was related to an outbreak in a nearby town but this sounds like this was something that was caused by the conditions of this actual set as you just said

I think they think it's Girardia. By the way, Andrew, I think we may be having a third garbage removal truck show up on this blessed Monday.

Well, I said if you saw the second one, I was going to say, yeah, look out for the third one because that's the triumvirate, right? The trifecta, the yard waste recycling. The Ides of June.

Yes. Always come in three. So, yeah, they think, which, by the way, this is also a funny line from this article. um and the crews uh the crew blames the lack of fresh clean water that's being used in the slip and slide competitions this is the next line that's great at odds with the network's description of the show as quote a fresh take on whammo's iconic 1960s outdoor game i don't know people were probably getting ria from the iconic whammo game as well you probably had some kids weren't you know greatest at hygiene at a young age out there slipping and sliding gerardia can I guess survive on surfaces for some amount of time like whatever was going on with this slip and slide could have been going on with somebody slip and slide in Levittown New York circa 1966

or something yeah yeah that does not sound that does not sound pleasant I also I also love it when any for-profit organization says our number one priority is the safety of our of our staff well there's something on the there's something on the radio that's going on now that's all about people before profits and i'm always yelling at i hear it you know a hundred times during a baseball game i'm just like baseball i just don't think that's true because i mean you could run a non-profit like that would definitely put people above of course right you know what i'm thinking though that might be for a credit union or credit unions non-profit anyway it doesn't really matter i'm always yelling at the radio like you don't put people before profit otherwise you wouldn't

be in a profit making game right exactly and even if you're talking about you know becu or wiku or one of these even these these credit unions i mean maybe they're not reporting back to wall street but everybody's making a pretty good living off of it uh i don't yeah i don't know the exact status of those kinds of things i can tell you andrew that at the end of this article you know how like now the thing that they'll do is they'll like hashtag or they'll cross reference this article with other things so that you perpetually keep reading this particular website so like if you get to the end of an article there's a bunch of other things you might find interesting because you've already shown an interest in this kind of topic so the New York Post filed this under these are the other things I wish I had my bell these are the other things that this slip and slide diarrhea story is filed under it's filed under Bobby Moynihan illness NBC television and WTF

that covers a lot of ground

Yeah, WTF is a pretty broad brush

Although I do feel like it's in the TBTL wheelhouse I bet you click on that WTF A lot of those things might fit our show sheet

I bet so, but I also think it's interesting That they don't have Ron Funches on there

Oh yeah

No offense to Bobby Moynihan, who seems lovely But I would argue there are more people who know the name Ron Funches in America than know the name Bobby Moynihan Oh, really? Wasn't Moynihan

moynihan snl he was snl but i wonder like i geek out on that stuff so it's like i know i could tell you like five bobby moynihan characters but i don't i mean do you think the average person i guess the average person who would know ron funges would probably know bobby moynihan i guess that's

kind of the same person right i i think so i mean you and i come at this from complete opposite perspectives because you you follow the snl people more let's just say that you and i'm a well-known I'm a well-known Moinahead Right, exactly No, but like, you know, I cannot follow who's in Saturday Night Live and who isn't and what have you But like that name to me seems much bigger than Ron Funches And you know I love me some Ron Funches But I feel like Moina Hand was established earlier than him And I don't know, again, I could be totally wrong But from my more ignorant point of view, it seems like Moina Hand's a much bigger name

Seems to me though, if you're going to go ahead and file it under NBC and WTF

That I agree with You want me to throw little Funches on there.

Why don't we stop, please stop erasing Ron Funches from the cross-reference point of the New York Post. This Jeff Bezos story is kind of interesting to me. So they've, you know, he's, they announced recently that he and his brother are going to go into space as part of this new, you know, he's, he and Elon Musk obviously are both kind of, and I think the Paul Allen's foundation also has, is working on something. Although I get the sense like the Paul Allen interest were more around just like really long, really long flights around the globe that didn't need refueling. I think that was something he was into and was funding. But the announcement came out recently that as part of this, I think it's called Blue Origin, which is the name of Bezos is like space company that Bezos and his brother are going to ride up into space. And and that they're auctioning off a seat. That seat went for $28 million this weekend, and they have not identified who the person was who actually won the auction. 7,600 people from 159 countries had registered and were bidding on the auction, by the way. So that's a lot of people. that I guess, I wonder how many of those people seriously thought they were going to be able to win it just based on bidding the most. That's a lot of people with, or maybe people were just doing it as a joke. I don't know if you had to submit some kind of financial data to be approved, to even bet, I keep saying bet, but bid on this thing. But I find it, when you read into what's actually going to happen, they're going to be technically in space for 11 minutes they are going to head above the 62 mile mark which is the altitude that is internationally considered to be the boundary of outer space so this thing they're on is going to go technically into space for 11 minutes and then come back down and i'm not saying it's not high up i'm not saying it wouldn't stress you out andrew with your well-documented fear of heights but it ain't like you're going to the moon yeah and my thought on this was you're jeff bezos you are like i mean you are ludicrously wealthy at this point i mean in the time it takes me to say jeff bezos made a billion dollars he's made a billion dollars ironically he's made two billion dollars and then how it takes you to say jeff bezos made a billion dollars it's like bro go to pluto yeah right like aim higher aim higher than 11 minutes barely in space aim higher than like something that is only a little bit above what air force pilots do in pressurized airplane environments sometimes when they're flying these very high like spy missions and stuff like i don't know it just i feel like if i was jeff bezos i would not settle for 11 minutes

barely in space it sounds like it that makes it sound like he just wants his name on being the first right like it's not about first what though just the first what like is it the first like in a civilian no i guess not i guess he's not the first well he'd definitely be the first of these like kind of three you know wealthy names to go up in his own spacecraft when you

consider is he trying to like own elon musk with this or something it sort of feels that way doesn't

it especially knowing that that is what the mission is quote-unquote mission yeah one other

thing they mentioned in this article too is like the elon musk stuff is much more ambitious i mean obviously he's like floated the whole mars idea but even in terms of the level of space that elon musk is going to try to take people to with spacex like regular people who just want to buy a ticket it's oh by the way i can't leave richard branson out of this oh right right of course yeah you know doing this they're just god do you think it's fun to be that rich or is it exhausting because clearly these dudes at some point are like very and Alexander wept for there were no

more worlds to conquer like why do they all want to go into space or in the case of like uh james cameron go to the bottom of the ocean it's like terra firma is no longer interesting enough when you have unlimited experiences because of your money i guess yeah and i also feel there's hubris

in there as well i mean the one thing that also all all these guys have in common is they like to put people before profits and that's what i really that's why i respect them all yeah like i

anyway yeah elon is supposedly his thing if it ever fully comes to fruition the people will get to be like more in space higher up into space or whatever but i mean really like if i'm bezos and i want to go to space i'm just personally funding a moon mission i'm not just doing this to try to like keep the needles moving or be funny i'm like if you're gonna do it do it bro and like go to the moon and walk on the moon that would be like that would be insane being like in effectively what is a vomit comet right you know they do those flights i know producers from cbs sunday morning who've gotten to go on the vomit comet flight really where they take you up and they don't go into space but they do these controlled you know crazy also would be triggering some of your fear of heights they do you know they take you up in this specially designed jet and then they do these controlled drops where the the terminal velocity is being achieved so you're weightless and i think you're probably weightless for like five six minutes or something when you're doing that thing Like that's More or less I think the experience That Jeff Bezos and these people are going to have

Just for the record You've mentioned my fear of heights a couple of times I just want on the record that if you know any of these Adventures came my way It would trigger all kinds of anxieties For me I mean fear of heights is on there But just like fear of the world Fear of my own clumsiness Fear of everything would kick in With one of these things

You wouldn't do it you would not do it It's offered the chance, like, you just pulled the golden ticket, not to go to the moon, because the moon is kind of scary, because if you get stuck there, I mean, the Wi-Fi is beyond spotty. I mean, how would we even do the show, it seems like? Yeah, exactly. But, like, I legitimately would, I would have real, I would think long and hard about going to the moon, because I do feel like there's a decent chance of getting stuck. But I would If I drew the ticket I would do this Bezos thing Because honestly to me Famous last words And I hope I'm not jinxing anything It feels relatively low risk Relatively controlled You're not trying to travel To another planet You're just going really high up And going around the earth Or whatever And then coming back down So would you do that If the opportunity were presented to you?

You know what that question Makes me realize And I'm just realizing this right now I have something that could maybe be referred to as a reverse bucket list where the older I get, I just cross things off this list, not based on me doing them, but then me just realizing, oh, I don't want to do that anymore because I'm in most cases too scared or in some cases it would take too much effort. Like that is the saddest bucket list in the world. But, yeah, I mean, I'm sure a younger person, like a much younger person, let's say, you know, as a kid, you asked me if you had an opportunity to go to space in a rocket and just like fly around up there and come back and you don't have to walk on the moon or anything. Would you do it? I'd be like, of course I would. OK, what would you put on scuba gear and go scuba diving? Yes. I always was fascinated by that as a kid, the idea of a whole world being under the sea. And then you get older and you learn about all kinds of things that can happen in these situations.

Or you could be eaten by a whale.

did you hear about that guy in maine we should talk about that he was like i thought i was being attacked by a shark but then i realized there were no teeth and i realized i'm inside of a whale

god what a strange way for his brain to quickly assess the situation and it was lack of teeth

yes i know but anyway yeah so i mean you know like i realized oh i'm claustrophobic i could never go in a submarine i could never go i could and there's a big you know you can't you can't be a scuba diver if you're claustrophobic at all, because he can get on top of you. And it's like all these realizations about my own limitations, and I'm just crossing these things off my list. So what, you know, Luke, to answer your question, honestly, it depends on the circumstances. I'd obviously have to think really long and hard about it before turning down an opportunity to go into space. So I mean, just knowing, you know, knowing what the risks are, and it would be really hard to turn that down i think i'd have to really think about it but you also know me well enough to to know that i i know what my boundaries are and if i decided that it wasn't for me i would say it's not for me and i think i could be okay with that i don't think i'd live the rest of my

life saying oh i i wish i'd gone into space what would be more unpleasant or a more stressful environment hitchhiking with me down the mississippi river or going into space with jeff

bezos and his brother that's a really good question now we have our own ship though right We don't have to wait. Wait for a Martian to pick us up? No, that's the good news. Okay, good. I don't know.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. No, man, it's not from a female.

All right, any emails or V-mails that have risen to the top of the pile for you?

Yeah, I would like to read one email and play one voicemail if that's okay. This is a really sweet note that we got from listener Kelly. You and I were talking about loneliness the other day. It came about because of the story about these kind of I'll call them like quasi robotic cats that will kind of respond to you petting it by purring.

But only if they're turned on before you're promoting them on QVC.

Exactly. And there was a New Yorker article that was really touching that talked about people who are of a certain age or circumstance where they cannot care for live animals anymore. But they're feeling, you know, very intense loneliness, especially during the pandemic and how these animals help them out or these these these robots or these toys, these devices help them out. Listener Kelly wrote. And by the way, I've received and I haven't responded to all of them yet. I've received some very, very touching, vulnerable emails from listeners talking about their own struggles with loneliness that, you know, I don't think are mostly to be shared on the show. But I haven't responded to all of them yet. But I wanted to say thank you to everybody for for sending them in. And I have read them, and it's very touching. Can I echo that, Andrew? Yeah.

Because I think maybe midway through talking about that story, that New Yorker piece, it started to occur to me that this was the kind of conversation that would probably resonate with a lot of people and would sort of present the opportunity for them to tell us about their experience. And my intention is to respond to those emails. But if you've sent an email on that topic, I also have read it and hear you and see you, and I'm in the process of trying to get back to folks. But you want to, that's not something that was like, thanks for writing in. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly. Right. So, well, anyway, here's a really touching story that Kelly sent in, our pal Kelly, who says, as I was listening to the story about the robot cat, it made me think about a woman I met in the hospital a few years ago. This was the summer of 2018. After the year from hell with some things going on with Kelly's family, I ended up hospitalized for a week in July. Before I was taken to the hospital, my daughter handed me a pink stuffed dog she called Mr. Hugger Dog. While in the hospital, patients are required to go to group therapy sessions. The group shifted as the week went on as people were admitted and released. In the middle of my stay, an older woman was admitted. After hearing different people share their story, this woman explained how she'd been suffering with depression for over 40 years and finally decided to seek treatment. She then talked about how she had always wanted a dog, but she couldn't get a real one. so she had the idea years ago to get a stuffed dog however she felt like that was silly the group vociferously told her she should absolutely get a stuffed dog if it would bring her joy and comfort she said maybe she would the group took a break shortly after a story and i went to my room and i saw mr hugger dog sitting on my bed i grabbed him and brought him with me to the meeting i told the woman that my daughter had given me mr hugger dog when i left the house as comfort and that he definitely had more hugs to give her eyes lit up as i can't yeah i know right her eyes lit up as i handed her that pink fluffy dog she hugged him tightly laughed and cried it was such an amazing moment she handed mr hugger dog back to me and she said she was going to get herself a stuffed dog as soon as she got home i'm not really a believer in all that mystical stuff but there's no doubt in my mind that she and i and mr hugger dog were in the hospital at the same time for the same reason It is something I won't forget, and yes, Mr. HuggerDog is still a member of our family.

How sweet is that, Luke?

Very cute.

Very cute. I think Mr. HuggerDog is a pretty solid name, too, for a stuffed animal. I agree. Or even, I don't know, a musical artist. Or a reggaeton artist.

Yeah, exactly.

I'm the lyrical gangster, HuggerDog.

Okay, now let me play a voicemail from you, or for you. This is not from you. If you would leave a voicemail, Luke, I would play a voicemail from you. But instead –

Not technically part of my job responsibilities, and we've talked about this with Lily and Alex, okay?

Do you remember the time I did play a voicemail from you, and I insisted it wasn't you, and you said, no, that's my voice? Do you know what I'm talking about?

What was that?

You were singing. Somebody had left a voicemail in our line, and I found it, and I used it as intro tape or something. And it was somebody singing, Don't You Know That You're My Hero, I think. I think that was the song. and I played it and you said, why did you use my voice at the beginning of the show? And I'm like, I don't think that's you. That was on the voicemail line. We went round and around and then somebody revealed themselves like yeah, they just took that from a section of the show where you were singing it and played it back into our voicemail line. Man, if we ever run out of content, we can just have people play parts of the show back to us on the voicemail line. Anyway, this is not from you. This is from listener Amy.

Hi, this is Rachel. Nope.

I don't know why I wrote.

that it's listener Amy in my notes.

You know it was a biblical name.

At least I have notes. They don't have to be right, do they? All right, this is listener Rachel, or as I like to call her, Amy.

Hi, this is Rachel. I am Pittsburgh Penn, and I'm also a therapist. And I was calling because I have a few therapy-related comments. So first is about dreams and, Luke, your theory that bad dreams are better than good. So I work with a lot of trauma clients. and one of the interesting things like some of the research is showing is that um for a lot of people luke you're right bad dreams help them process bad things right and so it helps you process and you come up and even if you're still feeling kind of crappy from that dream it helps you understand the situation better maybe it helps you to enjoy your experience in the present better, right, as, like, a waking experience. But people with PTSD are actually further traumatized by their dreams. They do not have any kind of recovery positive response to it. So we're not sure which came first, if people with sleep-related disorders have a vulnerability there and that maybe is what is a kind of factor to PTSD or not, or if the trauma causes the dreaming to be less bad. And secondly, and more on an, I guess, upbeat note, Luke, you always talk about how we don't do our child version of ourselves, what we should do. There's another therapist that I follow on social media, and he wrote, my kid told me they couldn't wait to be an adult where they could do nothing but sleep in all day and watch TV and eat candy. I didn't have the heart to tell them that they were describing depression so thanks guys look forward to seeing you soon when you tour the Rust Belt for your TPPT Althon 2022 okay bye

a lot of Rust Belters out there on that campaign

yeah we may have to get out to that part of the world for the next round of this stuff because I mean well first of all Rachel Amy thank you for the voicemail and the feedback um not to overshare about our our we there was a conversation at one point about us going to the rust belt for this last thon and some of the logistics didn't quite work out but just know that it's on our radar and something that we want to do um that's very interesting about the dreams i know that there's i am not a therapist or psychologist or psychiatrist but i do know that for people with certain kinds of trauma it does seem to be helpful to actually revisit the moment of the trauma and and experience it and and process it and work through it but then i guess ptsd is a whole different animal where probably the the response is you're so triggered that it's impossible for there to be any kind of like healthful you know kind of reassessing of things because you're just in total survival mode as you think as your body is reacting to being re-traumatized so um yeah that causality thing

that amy brings up i'm sticking with amy um why are you hiding amy that's what i want to know what's with the nom de plume um i i think that that causality thing that she brings up is interesting because like is there a chance because you could have people who go through like this you know the same or very similar incredibly traumatic experiences but some might walk away with actual diagnosable ptsd and others can't and others don't and so what is the difference there and it could have to do with it could have to do with the the um the way the brain works and the type of sleeper you are could be an indicator of what kind of brain you

have too that's interesting yeah we still haven't gotten to that god i was having weird dreams this morning because i wasn't sleeping in my normal bed and i was kind of in that liminal space for like an hour or two where i was like kind of awake but kind of asleep um but uh we haven't gotten to that story yet about the scientists actually maybe being able to kind of help us push us in a direction for dreaming maybe we'll get into that this week yeah yeah there's some

interesting stuff in there i don't usually care about dream talk um but i'll make an exception for you i have not i have been i went through a big phase where i was not really having any dream it's funny like you would think that the more stressed out my brain would be the more i would remember my dreams because i'm probably not sleeping as well and i feel like i remember my dreams better when when I'm having them in those moments, like you said, like you wake up, maybe you wake up and go to the bathroom or something and you go back to bed for an hour or two. It's like I feel like it's those last two hours where you're going to remember your dreams because you might not be so deeply asleep. I will tell you, though, Luke, that leading up to the TBTL-a-thon, I don't remember having really any dreams at all. I feel like every

Ever since we've gotten back, I have had dreams, like vivid dreams that I remember every night. And I think I told you this definitely off air, maybe on the show already too. At first, they were all TBTL-a-thon related in some way. I'm driving a funky vehicle or you're driving a funky vehicle and I'm telling you that you've driven too much. Like you should really let me take the wheel or like I'm trying to post a show. Did I tell you this? Like I went to somebody's house, like it was supposed to be the final live broadcast, but I didn't bring any of my gear with me. now that has kind of slipped into the background I'm just having other dreams again but like there's something about my brain like I'm not that stressed out right now and I'm just having great mostly fun dreams although some of them a lot of them are kind of somewhat stressed dreams because I'm up against a clock or like I say I've forgotten my equipment

I had a dream this morning I was dating someone who reminded me of the actress Jennifer Coolidge

oh yeah good thing they made big trains because they inspired model trains I'm messing up that joke

Is that from like one of those Like best in show one of those Christopher Guest things

Yes yes yes I think oh she says oh thank god for model trains Yeah yeah anyway I know who she is

I yeah I don't Remember details and I promise you it was Appeared to be a non-physical thing but I just remember Being in this big house and being like this is weird That I'm dating a Jennifer Coolidge type This was that's That's my takeaway Andrew and this is why This is why we don't talk about dreams on the show Because they make no sense, and there are not enough dazzling deets around them. This is why we do talk about dreams on the show and why we always... Because now you know I've got a thing for Stifler's mom. Wait, Stifler's mom? What is that? I believe that she is the mom in American Pie. Oh, okay. I never saw that. I don't know. I haven't seen that. I don't see you as a big American Pie watcher. I could be wrong about that, too. Yeah, it's not usually my thing. She's either Stifler's mom or Stacy's mom that Fountains of Wayne sang about. Somebody's quote-unquote hot mom

Oh, I know Do you have a song you want to go out with? Because I have a song we could play But it's not related to anything TBTL related So it's easily vetoed if you don't want to do it

No, let's do it I mean, my only suggestion would be Stacey's Mom by Fountains of Wayne But I actually We have like big, big Fountains of Wayne heads In our audience The lead singer of Fountains of Wayne Whose name is Adam Schlesinger He passed away Which was a sad thing And his catalog is deep I know our friend the Stubot is a big Schlesinger head But I feel like I wouldn't be doing him a disservice If we just played that song So why don't we We'll revisit that topic later And for today why don't you just play the song you had in mind

Yeah this is a song that's been going through my head all weekend I think I might have heard Like the end of it on Kixi or something Like on Friday And then it's just been going through my head all weekend And it's the song Play Me by Neil Diamond And the bummer was

I saw you tweeting about this

Do you know this song I am the sun you are the moon So I had that line going through my head And then we were at the Eagles on Friday And I thought oh I'll play that Neil Diamond song But I didn't look carefully On the jukebox and I was playing the live Version off of Hot August Nights Which is you know that's fine I think Hot August Nights is considered one of the More kind of iconic live records Of that era but it's not You know it's just it's not the album version and you know it's just slowed down and it's just not as good so i would like to rectify my mistake this weekend by playing the album version of play me by neil diamond off of mike

and tim this one's going out to you anyone else who's at the eagles and had their night ruined this is a do-over now the thing about this song is when i was a kid growing up there was like one of those commercials that was running for like a i don't know what you'd call it like a kind of soft rock station and my guess is that this was a commercial that was produced and like nationally and if you were any local soft rock station you could pay some amount of money to get it but this was the song and it was like someone's like kind of cool apartment and like felt like Pike Place Market to me and the sun was kind of moving across it was like afternoon and it was like the idea was you come home and you have a glass of wine after a hard day and you put on KLSY or whatever and this was a song and I always thought it was the weirdest song I was like what You are the sun, I am the moon, play me. What the hell, Neil?

Yeah, the lyrics are really weird. I'm still trying to figure out Song Song Blue as well. But anyway, we'll just enjoy them at face value for now.

All right, thanks for listening, everybody. I'll be back at the old Nest Broadcast Center tomorrow. So we'll see you from there. Until then, have a great Monday. Stay safe, take care of yourselves, and please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all. Come late to me.

You are the sun, I am the moon You are the words, I am the tune Play me

Songs you sang to me Songs you bring to me Words that brang in me Rhyme that sprang from me Warm the night And what was right Became me You are the sun, I am the moon You are the words, I am the tune Play me

I'm a model train enthusiast

oh that's great

yes I've got a whole layout in my basement it's very much a big passion for me

yeah thank god for model trains

oh absolutely

if they didn't have the model train they wouldn't have gotten the idea for the big trains power out