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Shall we play a game? Let's do that, indeed. Day three of the TBTL Summer Games. This is our annual... I'm Luke, by the way, over there, that's Andrew. Andrew, would you say this is our annual thing because we do this once a year, the summer games, but then we also do the winter games, or is it our biannual?

I would say I'm going to start by turning on my microphone, and then I'm going to say—

This is the annual time when Andrew turns on his microphone.

I'm going to say—that would probably make a lot of people happy if I turned on my microphone about once a year. I'm going to say this is the annual TBTL Summer Games. Okay, there you go.

You're exactly right. It was a test. You passed. All right. This is our little – well, you're high off of your absolute dominance yesterday at the Dan Levitard Show or Comedy Bang Bang character quiz that you just absolutely smoked yesterday. Today we find ourselves at a quiz that – the joke is right here. It's teed up. It's ready to go, and I apologize. I can't fight it. This is another quiz you should be really good at, Andrew.

It's called How Petty Are You? I know. This is from listener Jamie, and it is true. I talk about it on the show all the time, and to be very clear, it's like one of my least favorite traits about myself out of a lot of least favorite traits. I don't think you're that petty, by the way. But I do. Like this – well, my specific kind of pettiness, and maybe I miss using that specific word, but it often comes out when I'm judging other people, not by their appearance but by their behavior in public. Like back when we had arrows in the grocery store aisles and people were not following the arrows. I feel like I would get very petty in my head towards them, and I wanted to wag my finger.

Yeah, but see, what I think blunts it is that you have those impulses, but then you also are equally critical with yourself about the impulse. Like you recognize, ah, I'm being petty right now. And that's a huge thing because we can't control the impulses we have. Those are just how we're reacting to stimulus, stimuli, to stimmies. That's just how we're reacting to the stimmy. But then what we do with that is the thing. And you don't go screaming at people in the store. So you're controlling your reaction. No, I crop dust them. Yeah, exactly. And you just like ask yourself, or you're like, ah, why was I being so mad about that thing or annoyed? So I just feel like maybe you are a petty person, but I think you also do some, you run so much interference between your impulses and the person who might be on the receiving end that it effectively makes you a non-petty person in my opinion. You cancel it out.

Sir, we're arresting you for murder. Yes, but I know I'm a murderer.

That's all. I mean, that's all you can ask for.

Isn't that mitigating? Yes, in my mind. The thing about this quiz today, though, and again, this is from our dear friend, listener Jamie in Mississippi, who submitted it without comment, by the way. It is a very long quiz. This is one of those personality style quizzes from HowStuffWorks.com. And I think you and I should both take it together. But let's not wait until after the break to start this because I'm afraid that. Yeah, we've got to get right into it. It's like 30 questions or something. So without any official fanfare, shall we just begin? Do you have it there in front of you? I do.

This is from, you might have mentioned this, How Stuff Works. I had it right in front of me.

Wouldn't it be awesome if this was like how much like Tom Petty are you?

Were you in mud crutch? You're very much like Tom Petty.

Is Mississippi, A, north of you, B, south of you? Where is Sally currently?

Down in Mississippi, over in Mississippi. Okay. All right. Here we go, starting with the first question. Do you get mad at people who do the same type of thing that you do?

See, this is one where – so the options are no. That would be silly. I try not to. Sometimes. And well, yeah, I'm going to go with I try not to because I really don't like hypocrisy. I do feel like the reason I'm so steadfast in my pettiness is because I feel like, hey, I'm following the rules here. You should, too. So I'm going to say I try not to.

I am going with very much well, yeah, because I tend to flaunt the rules. Flout. Flout the rules. Andrew for the W again. I tend to ignore the rules. Porky Pig for the win. I tend to ignore the rules But then if other people are ignoring the rules It makes me very frustrated Which is hypocritical and a bad, bad, bad look And one where I try to I am trying to remember

Like, if somebody does something that seems like they're kind of cutting the line or being self-serving, I try to remind myself that I also have been guilty of doing that many times. And so, therefore, I do not run up and tackle them. Like, what was that? What was that series of commercials where somebody – I think it was Terry Crews, actually, was just portraying a football player who was just tackling people in real life, like at a barbecue?

And then was there also an office space?

Well, that's what it was like, Terry Crews Office Linebacker.

Was that an ESPN commercial, maybe? Maybe. I don't know. Next question is, what is Porky Pig for the win? Did you make a Space Jam joke?

No, although that new Space Jam looks like maybe the worst movie that's ever been made. No, first I tried to say, I said flout, which was wrong. Or I said flaunt, which was wrong. Then I said flout. And then I just said a different word that I had more command of. I see. Which is a real Porky Pig move. You can't say it. It is. You can't say it, and now you just change the word.

It's a great joke, actually. Not yours, but the joke that you were referencing.

The jokes he does in Space Jam. Here's the next question. Do you act like you don't care about stuff that you really do care about? That's a complicated one to answer.

It is. I want to say I try not to, but maybe it's more on occasion. Like, I'm trying to think, what are the things in life that I try? I don't think I go around acting like I don't care about things that I care about. I think when I care about something and I'm upset, I kind of wear that on my coat sleeve, right?

Yeah, I'm the same way, I think, actually.

Yeah, and the only thing would be maybe my weird relationship with celebrity. Or do I really not care about celebrity, but maybe deep down I do care about celebrity, but I pretend not to? I don't think that's the case.

Yeah. I think, if anything, I should work on seeming like I care about stuff less. Because if I care about something, if I've got a bee in my bonnet about something, and let's say we're going into a work meeting or I'm having a conversation with, you know, somebody I'm close to, I'm incapable of not bringing up the bee that's buzzing around in my bonnet. Like, I just, I can't pretend to not care about something when I do care about it. So I'm actually going to put myself in the I never do that category. Me too. I'm saying that.

how often do you say whatever whatever what ever i'm gonna say hardly i don't care what you do there's never hardly ever often or all the time um i'm gonna say hardly ever i can't say that i

never say whatever i think it depends on where i'm at in my life like this is a weirdly personal and real thing i'm about to say because you know it's the summer games let's keep it cat But because I live by myself and I don't have any – I don't really have to check in with people. I don't really have to tailor my life decisions around anybody at this moment in my life, really. I don't say whatever, but I have in many arguments throughout many relationships in my life definitely been like, fine, whatever. That would be a thing I would say. Just like when I'm exhausted with the argument, when I feel like I'm not getting anywhere, when I'm just like burned out on talking about it, I'll be like, you know what, fine, whatever. So I am very, very capable of saying it and have said it many times in my life, hence me living alone. But, silver lining alert, because I live alone, I never have to say it anymore.

I don't feel like that's intellectually honest, though, if that's who you are. And I'm not trying to game it like you do you. I'm going to say hardly ever from me, but it sort of sounds like if you were put in that position again or potentially like a work, if there's like kind of a disagreement at work, you might get to that point. I think that if you're a person who does that, but then for some reason the stimuli are gone, I still think you're a person who does that.

All right. Because the question is how often and currently like up until we read this question very infrequently, but I know. Well, I don't want to push you.

I just wanted to get that out there, kind of related to the food quiz, how we were just trying to, you know. But I'm not judging you if you decide to say never.

No, I think you're right. I think I put down often. Okay. Because if I'm cornered, if I feel that I'm cornered, it would be a thing that I would potentially deploy.

Never corner a Luke. He'll hiss whatever at you. Never get between a Luke and his cub.

Sorry, go ahead.

Yep.

When was the last time you and your bestie plotted on ruining someone's life? I think I can easily say never on that one. Well. Well? No? I haven't clicked it yet. It's a very short list. It's a very short list. But there are a couple people that grind your and mine gears.

But we've never plotted against them. No. At least I haven't. I can't think of ever setting anything into it.

We had the chance, though, to ruin their life.

Like, secretly, and they would never know. Maybe. But when was the last time? You wouldn't go along with it.

You're too good of a person. I would say never. when i was little you know what within the last year just recently i wonder if i should have gone

with when i was little yeah when i was little when i was little me and joe dollon and dan gotier formed a club that was just based on the idea that we disliked this one person in the school and um and and that was mean i mean now in in our defense this person gave as good as they got it wasn't like this person was not the subject of bullying if anything they were doing the bullying a lot of the time but um yeah if i literally formed a club that was the this person's name

haters club yeah i i don't i you know i don't have any experiences like that i'm not trying to be a goody two shoes i think the next question maybe i'll have to be more painfully honest about i'm going never because that story like that's a very specific thing so you can say when i was little but i don't think i was ever in that position that's fine whatever i'm 41 and whatever i'm

whatever I'm 41 in food years so I don't care if I lose this quiz whatever this is not even my best event okay this is like the Olympics for us this is I'm just I'm just filling in for someone I'm not even supposed to be here today do you complain a lot to your friends about your other friends oof oof how many of our friends Andrew listen to this show right I feel like the first question

we need to ask ourselves the options are no why would I do that not often doesn't everyone and yes it's weird I don't know what the difference is between doesn't everyone and yes but I I am going to gravitate towards probably doesn't everyone I think that you and I have talked about this on the show I probably don't do it you know these degrees that they offer aren't super helpful but like I don't think that I'm like near the top of the list of people who talk shit but I think I'd be being very dishonest if I said I never vented about other people in my life especially to Genevieve you know what I mean like that's kind of par for the course so I think I'm

a dozen to everyone yeah I guess I'm gonna put myself there too what I think it is is there are people in my inner circle of friends who I will never shit talk like even to my other friends because and it's you know it's it's not a super long list but there's people on there and then there are people that are more in like the outer ring outer periphery who I might be more inclined to kind of notice some of their let's just say quirky behaviors and then note that to my other friends but like there's there's some people that are on those and by the way you're on this list not to get weirdly real so just know that whenever you're shit talking me you're that is a one-way street absolutely breaking my heart on this the day of my daughter's wedding well the i mean i

don't shit talk you a lot i do shit talk anita all the time though so that is no she's not in

a circle of trust no no but like there are there are there's a list of i don't know how how long the list is but there is a list of people who i just have so much affection for and also just i don't know i can't explain it other than to say i just wouldn't shit talk them and then there's people like the mummy who i literally never stopped so i'm going with doesn't everyone

doesn't everyone i think that's fair this next one is really going to be interesting because i know where you're going to take this what's the difference between blocking and muting people on social media the question is how often do you block people on social media the options are never only when i'm being messed with fairly often or all the time i can't say never because i still think we have a listener i'm blanking at his name he'll email me every now and then and say you're still blocking me and it's the only listener i've ever blocked purposely on twitter because he was flaming us about like it was all caps flaming us about blurs days or something i was just like You're in the timeout booth. So I'm going to say only when I'm being messed with.

I am not going to answer this right now. I'm going to do it after the break because we want to create that dramatic tension, that cliffhanger. So stay with us. More TV Tell in just a moment, and I will reveal if I have, in fact, blocked you on social media or not.

Sally's up in Mississippi tonight With a man she hardly knows Sally's wearing brand new clothes Opportunity done, not twice So Sally said bye-bye I hope she is all right Up in Mississippi tonight

How petty are you? god real petty so good god i love this song all right uh before the break the question was how often do you block people on social media my answer to that is actually somewhat complicated because i block a ton of things on social media i just habitually block any ad

If I'm scrolling Twitter and I get an ad from some random company or thing that I know I will never need to interact with and I will never need to see their ads, I'm not missing anything. Like I won't block ESPN because maybe they'll have an update that I'm interested in. But if it's just like a random dog food company that I haven't heard of that I'm not using their services, I will block them. So I'm blocking things on social media all the time. But what I don't block are people. I don't think I've ever blocked anyone. But what I have done, Andrew, is muted people, usually because they're either promoting something that is so active that it's becoming everything that's in my feed. And it's just like a little bit more than I want to see or because they're just they're very, very, very, very, very active on Twitter. And they're just putting so much stuff out into the world that, again, it's sort of taking – it's dominating my feed so that when I look at Twitter, I'm almost exclusively seeing their tweets. But I don't want to unfollow them because I'm not – I don't have a problem with the person, but I just don't want to keep hearing everything that they're tweeting all the time, not because of political disagreements but just because of what I've already said. So that's – so a muting – I even wrote this on Twitter the other day. I said muting people on Twitter is my love link. Oh, yeah. I saw that. You are not muted on Twitter

I saw that you did not see my reply Easy joke I don't think either one of those count though Because this quiz is about pettiness And I actually think that muting people is a way of you Specifically not being petty You're not trying to hurt anybody's feelings You're not trying to get anybody And then the blocking of advertisements And corporations or whatever I just don't think that's the same thing As what they're trying to get at here

So I'm going with never What I find so interesting about the blocking phenomenon, and I don't know if these people are to be believed or not, but my main view into dating culture, particularly among young people, is through TikTok. Lots of people put up these little short kind of confessional TikToks that will deal with their dating woes or whatever. And apparently, maybe we have a few young listeners who can confirm this, but it is the style now that if you break up with someone or if you're dating someone or if you go on a date with them and it doesn't go great, you then immediately block them on every social media. People are always talking about how they've been blocked by someone. Like, oh, he went out. I thought it was going well. And then he's supposed to come over the next day. He doesn't. And then I'm blocked on everything. I just find that to be such a weirdly extreme thing. thing like okay the date didn't work out you got to block them on everything yeah that seems odd

to me i guess it's just generational in the way people you know think about dating and social

media probably and then there's a whole world where they unblock you years later and now you know the door is back open to slide into their dm oh right you have to just you have to put

alarms on that um yeah so you're saying you're going never i'm gonna say only when i'm being messed with because there have been other times where i've blocked somebody in an instant and then Because I kind of want to do a shot across the bow And then I'll unblock later because I feel bad about it The next question is interesting How often are you wrong? All the time, sometimes, not often, never Or it's basically your personality trait, Andrew

It's not though See, here's the thing The funnier answer is all the time But I think the more accurate answer for both of us Is sometimes I honestly I honestly feel like I'm wrong all the time I'm not just saying that Well, that's how you feel

That's your that's your anxiety talking, though, right? Maybe I feel like I'm wrong about things more if there's an instance when I'm not saying that everything I say on the show is wrong. But if I get into a conversation with you or Genevieve and one of you is saying, hey, I think it was this, whether it's something from our personal lives, something we experienced together, something we read in the New York Times, whatever it is. I feel like if I'm ever in a conversation with somebody and they say, I think it was this, and I say, I think it was that, I feel like the other person is almost always right.

I think that is just our brains that I was listening to. Well, someone read an Anthropocene-reviewed podcast quiz for me for next. I don't know how it will work. but John Green was talking about being mortified and how our brains are wired to remember the times when we feel embarrassed much more strongly than the times when we're right. Yes. And I think your brain is extra wired for that. So that I think when you are on the occasion, when you might be off on something, you remember that much more than you remember all the times you were right. Like I just, you're just, I just don't think that you're wrong all the time and just hanging out with you. Like if we're sitting at the baseball game chatting, you're not like just saying a random string of incorrect things. So anyway, you can answer it however you want. I'm going to go with sometimes. I probably should be more on the all the time thing because as we've established on the show, I will say things with confidence that are just deeply wrong.

And I have no reason to be confident in my answer, but that's one of the weird things about how I'm wired.

I appreciate what you said, and I will try to take that into perspective in my real life. However, for the sake of this quiz, I'm going to go with all the time.

That's a good joke.

I'm going to go with all the time because it's a personality quiz. And I think, you know, in a regular situation, you're probably sitting alone taking this quiz because you want to assess how petty you are. And so the answers are an extension of how you feel. You know what I mean? Not how the world perceives you. It's how you perceive yourself. So I'm going with all the time. I think that's an honest answer.

Well, then I should go with never because I never think I'm wrong. I just find out that I am when the listeners email in. Okay, that's a fair answer.

You were very right about Vacation Bible School, by the way. A lot of people, some people set up some questions like, really, is Luke just thinking about his own experience? But a lot of people were emailing in and saying, like, no, there is a difference. Like Vacation Bible School very specifically is a day kind of day camp or a school you go to during the day, not a sleepover camp. So you're right about that.

I'll mention, too, that by the time the listeners hear this, I will have done 30 victory laps on that topic.

That's right. Oh, my God. That's right. We'll read those emails probably before the listeners hear this. So, okay. Do you need to get in the last word? Oh, boy. Yeah, I think I do. Yeah, I do. I think I do, too. And that might be a surprise because I do tend to be more of a beta. But I always feel like I have a strong need to get in the last word. Or if I don't, I really want to. Or in my head, I'm churning on that conversation. It's not a great thing I like about myself, but I'm going to say, of course.

Yeah. Now, what I don't understand about the way these things, I guess because yes or no is just not nuance enough. One of the options is yes, it is the best. And then one is of course. I'm going with of course. Yeah. Versus yes, it is the best. I don't think it's the best. I think it's a bad look for me. But I know it's something that I really struggle with.

Yeah. You know, I am tempted to go with it's tempting, but I try not to because I think especially with like a lot of conversations in the culture now about about, you know, listening to other people with different perspectives. and also thinking about the fact that, you know, I'm, you know, like I'm not a person who has been marginalized at all in my life, that I'm really honestly trying to be the type of person who does not feel like I get the last word, that I'm listening more and trying to, but I think in the heat of a moment, if I'm kind of arguing with you or in a snappy conversation with you, I think I'm probably going to try to get in the last word.

I will say that when you are firm in your opinion or if you've set a boundary, you definitely do stick to it. And I think you're kind of like – I don't know if it's the last word, but it's just that you will definitely kind of plant your flag, if you will. Yeah, plant my feet. Yeah, I agree. Which is maybe kind of in the same part of the brain of like, okay, this is what I'm doing. I'm getting in the last word. I'm firm in this position. I can't talk you out of things. If you've decided If you've reached a kind of hard conclusion on something Which is Totally reasonable by the way I'm not saying that's like an Unlikable characteristic but I think It's something that it's kind of how you Operate in those conversations sometimes

Yes I'm going to go with of course and I think you did the same Are you friends

With any of your exes I'm going with most of them I mean it's taken Decades And vast sums of money in some cases but we've always gotten back to a cordial relationship uh might be like one exception but generally speaking i think i'm i'm i'm friends with as i get older i mean by my fifth or sixth divorce andrew i mean i think it's the level of amicability is going to be off the charts it's a way of making friends as you marry that's it you know what i what i say friends are just wives you're not divorced from

yet wait no strangers are just wives you're not divorced from friends are just wives you recently divorced um i um this is tough for me luke because i think they mean long-term like relationships and i never had a long-term relationship before genevieve i had a couple well are you and very short ones i am friends with genevieve and um we stay together for the cats um i feel like This is a tough one, so maybe I shouldn't spend that much time on it and just pick a middle answer. Choices are most of them, a few of them gross, or no, I wish they were all dead. I got to say, I always imagine that if I was in a long-term relationship and then we broke up, I don't feel like I would have a desire to still be friends. I know that sounds weird, but I think it would be a coping mechanism for me. I feel like I would want to protect myself, and it's not about being necessarily angry, but I just don't think that I would want to introduce that in my life.

I think I would need to just say clean break, but I need me time. I need my space. And who knows what happens on the line, but I'm not really interested in switching gears on this relationship. Let's just end it. That's how I imagine I would be, but I don't have the world experience. I mean, I guess, you know, there were women who I dated for, like, you know, my few relationships all lasted about a month at various points in my adult life. And I am friends with them. So I guess I'll say a few of them. I just don't feel like this question really applies to me.

Also, I guess it comes down to what friends are because I am friendly with people that I used to be in relationships with, but I don't, like, hang out with them on a regular basis. I'm not like, hey, let's go have a picnic. It's just that we text, you know, we'll text or, like, something will happen that will remind me of a thing that happened in our life. Oh, I'm at that place we used to go to or whatever. you know so if that's I guess I take this to be are you enemies with any of your exes and I'm not enemies with most of them so I'm going to take that as a win

right right right I don't even know that we're halfway through this thing so maybe let's zip through some of these how we do we

dare do we dare just carry this over because the thing is I'm looking at some of these I'm looking at the next question Andrew I know and by itself that's a whole episode that I don't want to

have yeah i don't want to rush it yeah i don't want to rush it either you want to do a couple more of these and then and then continue this tomorrow yeah let's do it all right let's do it

because these are these questions are only fun if we actually have the time to interrogate them a little bit otherwise they're just kind of it's like what's the point so okay uh we'll do that yeah we'll we'll do a special emergency session of the summer games where we carry this over into tomorrow and then we'll just move the other things back a little bit uh yeah let's do how about let's just do one more here because this one seems like kind of a doozy i'm not even kidding i get a nervous feeling when i look at this question how would your friends describe you because i i i pains me to think of how my friends would describe me when i'm not around but also if you were to say to me andrew no everyone just says you're great i will i will not believe you

well the thing is they're asking a very specific kind of um they're not just like how would your friends describe you you know answer in 400 words or less it's my friends would say I'm chill my friends would say I'm mellow which is there a difference there I feel like they're really wasting one of these slots by having one be chill one be mellow the other one is my friends would say that I'm easy to get worked up and the other one is my friends would say that I'm dramatic I think for me this is pretty easy my friends would say that I'm easy to get worked up like i'm a pretty anxious person and like you say if i do get into it with you on something or if i get into it with one on something i can be kind of headstrong about it and i can definitely you know i can definitely like get kind of too intense too quickly on something so i'm gonna say my friends would say that i'm easy to get worked up you i actually this is a tough one to apply to you i think because i don't know that any of these really describe you i think the most accurate

it would be my friends say I'm easy to get worked up also. I'm muting my microphone intermittently or trying to lessen the ambulance convention that's currently going to be. Happy Puerto Rican Independence Day. You're getting too worked up about the ambulances, Luke. There you go. Easily worked up. Absolutely see it scans. Always have to

have this conversation. God damn it. I don't even

know if I want to do this with you right now. Well, what I can say is my friends know I'm not chill. Chill is just not my defining characteristic. Mellow, which means chill, is not also not my defining characteristics correct i think at this point in my life i'm not super dramatic either like maybe that's a incorrect self-assessment but i just think i don't i'm not like always having a you know i'm not like showing up with like i don't have my bank card can someone spot me or i need a ride somewhere or like yeah i don't know i just feel like i'm relatively low drama with my friends like i you know want to hang out and have a fun time or whatever um but i do think i can get worked up i also hope that in my dotage i'm i get less easily worked up but like i mean i've had times where we were on a cruise with like me and camaro and jess and or maybe we're in vegas i think we're in vegas and i think i remember turning to a group of our friends i don't think i knew you yet but these people and said something like i'm sick of being the cruise director oh i was not i was not or something because i was like it felt in that moment and i probably was wrong i was probably just drunk and having a feeling but it felt like I was having to make all of the decisions about where we should go and what we should do, which is hilarious because I also naturally often slide into that role because I don't feel good about other people making those decisions. So it's like pick a lane, Burbs, you know, like either be cool with whatever the group decides or whatever somebody else decides or come up with a plan that everyone's into. But don't just get mad that people. are looking to you for the plan when that's kind of how you tend to want it. But so I think I certainly can get worked up at times. And so of those four, I think that would be the best way to describe me.

Let me just say one thing before we go to break. And, you know, I'm going to I'm not trying to push you one way or the other on that, because that makes sense. And like you and I have like it's funny as much as we do hang out. I feel like our relationship is different than your relationship with like, let's say, Camaro Kev and Anita. And just like we all hang out together sometimes. But, like, when you talk about going on these adventures, I'm more of a stay-at-home kind of guy, so I'm not there for that stuff. And, like, the funny thing is, is, like, when I first started hanging out with you and me and you and Vives and Van were all hanging out intensely just as friends, there was no, like, professional relationship really, I would think that we would have described you as just being chill, right? Well, that's Luke. He's cool guy. He's just chill, cool guy, right? And so I it's like you and I are friends, but we also have an intent, not intense, but, you know, well, sort of an intense work relationship. I mean, we work very closely together and go on trips together and do all the and put ourselves in weird positions like hitchhiking, you know. So maybe I've seen you get worked up at times, but first of all, not I don't know if that's really the way I would describe it. And also, I just think that I almost wanted to call Camaro Kev. We don't have time for it now, and I don't know if we'd pick up. But I feel like how would Camaro Kev answer this question based on your relationship, which is not a work relationship?

See, I would describe him as more chill. He is chill. Because, like, he has fought zero people at the Mandarin Gate, and I have fought many people at the Mandarin Gate. Like, around the time that you and I and V's – were you guys at that night where I went up and changed all the words to Against All Odds to be about making fun of this guy because he was wearing sunglasses indoors? No, no. Then he called his brother to come fight me, and the brother showed up, and I'm standing on the bench in the very back of the gate about to fight his brother at a puka shell necklace on, which was not in style at the time. He's kind of gotten back into style now. I remember that story.

I was there for the bowling alley almost fight in the parking lot.

Oh, yeah. There you go. So those don't – believe me, I'm not wearing any of those as any kind of badge of honor. To me, that's a person who's not emotionally regulating themselves. And so that's why I feel like I can't accept. I would love it if my friends described me as chill. That would feel great to me. I just don't think that the data bears that out, unfortunately. I think I am more chill now than I have ever been in my life and less and less and less inclined towards any kind of confrontation. I was sitting in, this is in the real time now, not when people are hearing this. I don't know. week ago or something i was having a little dinner and sitting at the bar at this place that i like in in portland called my father's place and it was kind of late and there was nobody else in the place and a song came on the jukebox i can't remember what the song was but i started whistling along i didn't even think that loudly in fact i wasn't even conscious i was doing it and this guy walked up to me who's drunk and had been losing they have like these basically like pretend slot machines in these bars and this guy i had seen him in the other room playing those things And he came in and he looked at me and he goes, how the fuck's it going? As I'm just sitting there minding my own business, just very quietly, subconsciously or unconsciously whistling. And I just said, oh, I was just whistling because I like this song. And he goes, yeah. And I went, yeah, it's a good song. And then I just like left it there.

Do you think he I'm a little confused. Was he giving you a hard time because he was sick of hearing you whistling or he was drunk and mad that he was losing. OK, he was just picking up. He was just kind of picking.

He was just looking for any reason to get into it. And I was literally the only other person in there. And it just it just gave him a chance to be mad about something. But he was really mad because I'd seen him like wandering from machine to machine, putting money in and losing and muttering and getting mad. So it was like he was pissed. He directed that ire at me for zero reason. Like I wasn't like, you know, whistling like so that you could hear it throughout the entire restaurant. I was just sitting by myself at the end of the bar without even realizing it, just kind of softly whistling. probably from behind my mask and my point is i just was like well this is a guy who's drunk and angry i wasn't doing anything you know i just was i just de-escalated the situation and just chose not now 10 years ago i did not de-escalate that situation yeah right i am very much not okay with somebody just coming up and being a jerk to me for no reason and it would be very very tempting to try to um settle the score physically yeah um and i didn't and i'm not saying that because i I think I deserve any kind of special gold medal for that. But that's just – I just think I just have low T at this point, which is probably better for everybody on planet Earth, honestly. Would you say that that man did not bleed for you? He did not. He at no time had to bleed for me because I did not headbutt him out the door of my father's place.

All right. Well, I like –

I like our plan. You know, you're absolutely right. These are interesting questions to kind of sink into, as Levitard would say. So thank you, Jamie, for sending this. Let's continue it tomorrow and then find out how petty we are.

All right. What rocking song are we going to hear to close out today's program?

From the McDonald's original hits, Rock and Gold Collection, going back to the Summer Classics cassette tape here. By the way, my summer – this is the cassette tape here. I'm actually looking at it. unopened by the way still in it can you hear that still in it cellophane mint I am going to go with now this is a little bit more of a downbeat song but it's also part of summer right a summer shower a warm summer shower comes in in the evening and we're going to let the cascades recreate that for us with rhythm of the rain I love this song I don't think of this as a downbeat song at all

I dig it alright that's how we're going to wrap things up today thank you for hanging out with us during these summer games and we'll be back here tomorrow with another edition so do please join us for that till then have a great wednesday stay safe and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all

listen to the rhythm of the falling rain telling me just what a fool i've been i wish that it would go and let me cry in vain and let me be alone again The only girl I care about has gone away, looking for a brand new start. But little does she know that when she left that day, along with her she took my heart. Rain, please tell me now, does that seem fair? For her to steal my heart away when she don't care. I can't love another when my heart's somewhere far away The only girl I care about has gone away Looking for a brand new start But little does she know that when she left that day Along with her she took my heart Power out