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Like a Rolling Stone, Mr. Tambourine Man, Blowing in the Wind. Everybody knows these are Bob Dylan songs. What a lot of people don't realize is that Bob Dylan actually wrote every popular song in the last 35 years. Every single one.

I like big butts and I can't not lie, yeah, other brothers can't deny. Man, when a girl walks in with itty-bitty ways and around, big in your face, she gets sprung, mama.

Yeah, I was working at Columbia, and Bob came in on the weekend, October 62. No, 63. And we recorded a whole bunch of songs, and I've never seen nothing like it. He was a machine. I still hear those damn songs on the radio today. This is a protest song.

You gotta fight for your right to party. She's a brick house.

I did it all for the nookie. The nookie. So you can take that cookie and stick it up your whoo.

T-B-T-L One thing, I have no shame before another mortal. All my shame is between myself and Christ. I'll never drop my eyes to another human being.

What do you believe in? You believe in Hussein Obama? Electric cars and Shakespeare books and do you go out to eat to restaurants?

This is my sandbox. I'm not allowed to go in the deep end. That's where I saw the leprechaun. He told me to burn things. Oh, s***.

There goes the planet.

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Monday edition of TVTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

Oh, yeah.

My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. You know why I'm here. Coming to you from the Nest Broadcast Center, high in the sky, above Portland, Oregon, where we've got a partly cloudy day. Boy, it was so warm yesterday. I mean, I guess compared to how warm it's been this summer, maybe it wasn't one of the hottest days, but I went to the Oregon State Fair and was just absolutely roasting out there. Things have returned to a little bit more tolerable temperature today here on episode 3,499 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. Today, all of our top stories come to us from the land of 10,000 lakes. That's right. It's a special Minnesota-centric episode of TBTL. Oh, la, la. Partially because I will be in Minnesota. On Thursday, I will be doing my half of the show from the home office there on Cedar Street in St. Paul, Minnesota. So I've got Minnesota on the brain. Plus, the listeners have been sending in a lot of good topics, and they just happen to be from Minnesota today. So we'll get into that, including Peggy's Pizza, the official pizza of the state of Minnesota. I don't know if that's true, but I'm just going to declare it so. They came out with a recommendation regarding their pizza that has absolutely blown my mind. Let's blow some tiny minds. A lot of times these little, like, announcements, press releases, PR stunts from corporations and particularly from, like, food corporations are just sort of meant to get dinguses like us to talk about them. This is one that actually might really change the way all of us eat frozen pizza coming up. Sometimes you got to stop and smell the pizza. So we will tell you what's going on with that. But also, there's a guy who is a member of the Minnesota State Supreme Court. He's also a Hall of Fame. He's also in the Hall of Fame because he's incredible with the barbecue. But he's in the Football Hall of Fame as well. His name is Alan Page. And he has been told by Twitter that he is not notable enough. NFL Hall of Famer. Minnesota State Supreme Court Justice for many years. Breaker of many barriers as an African-American man. Not notable, apparently, enough for Twitter.

I know what you guys are thinking. Hey, it's the guy from Twitter. That's what you're thinking right now.

So we'll get into that, too. Plus emails and v-mails. And this guy, longest-running Cobra of the show, may be best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He is...

Please welcome the wickedly talented...

Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. I'm excited to hear about your adventures at the fair. But may I briefly tell you how we almost burned down our apartment this weekend?

I have a sense that I know something about this because of a picture on the gram. But please do explain because it was a very, it was a dramatic photo.

I don't usually withhold from you, Luke, but I was kind of.

hoping that you didn't see the photo that Genevieve posted because I wanted to unspool this for you, but I will unspool it for the listeners instead. But I'll also try to keep it somewhat brief. But we had a couple of people over here on a Saturday evening, yes, and I was doing a little bit of light grilling. And you know our situation is like—

Oh, are you trying to make it into the Hall of Flame?

I am. I am. I wonder if they do have a Hall of Flame for flame-broiled grilling. It's like, anyway, our little charcoal grill is, you know, the kind of Weber grill, round one. People can kind of picture it. And, of course, you know, it's like those things are a little bit less stable than a gas grill. I really like to keep my eye on that. You got to actually, you know, involves flames and getting those charcoals, you know, hot and everything. Anyway, and I'm always trying to do it very carefully in the tiny little alleyway, the narrow alleyway at the bottom of our apartment stairs. And I'm always concerned, by the way This is a quick side note That our landlord Every time I've done this for the past three years I've always assumed that I'm doing something wrong And I've always been worried that my landlord Would just randomly stop by and say Hey, why are you grilling in this tiny alleyway? That's not how this works

And then you would say I'm so glad you're here None of the water's working Yeah, exactly This is a perfect time You entice your landlord into a trap By doing something that's not allowed So that then they'll fix something That's very much their responsibility

I can't get into this right now But the reason he stopped by on Saturday was because our mailboxes were broken into again.

Oh, the ones that the fail-safe locking mailboxes that didn't need to be replaced?

Now, quick note on that. If you'll recall, the last time our mailbox was broken into, he said, no, I won't get you a new mailbox. I'll just bend this little piece back into place. And there are no such things as secure mailboxes.

You've got to be kidding me.

Anybody with the will can open a mailbox. No point in getting a new one. And since then, he, for his company, which is downstairs, got a new mailbox. Exactly. Oh, no. Same exact model as ours. Same exact model as ours. So when I saw that, I was kind of like, yeah, I was like, okay. I will say then he does believe in this brand. It's not like he got some sort of like super duper secure brand for himself and we have these other ones. But that one had not been broken into before because it was new. This weekend, only the two old mailboxes were pried open. I don't know if they tried to pry open the new one and failed. That's what I implied when I re-forwarded him, or I replied to the email from six months ago when he told me that these mailboxes are secure. I said, the new mailbox was secure, but the two old ones were broken into. We don't know if anything's been stolen like our identities. Anyway, he stops by to take a look at the mailboxes and quote-unquote fix them. I don't have time to even get hung up on the mailbox story right now. It's just so goddamn exhausting. Anyway, but he does stop by. I don't know if it's because he felt bad about the mailboxes or, as Genevieve says, he really does not mind that we use the grill to grill in the alleyway. But he didn't say anything about it. So that felt like a victory to me.

I mean, the big purple balls on him, if he would have pointed out the grilling on the same weekend, that the mailbox that he said was impenetrable had been penetrated.

He didn't say that the mailbox was impenetrable. He said that all mailboxes are penetrable. And that there's just nothing he can do Other than bend this little tab back And wait for the next Oh, and also, I believe his original email suggested That the federal laws will prevent people from doing it Because it is a federal offense

Oh, well, sure, of course I mean, he's like, you can't stop people From rebroadcasting Major League Baseball games Right, exactly They don't have the express written consent

Yeah, I know, Tony the Tweaker was like Oh, man, I really want to see what's inside this mailbox But, uh, I don't know Mail fraud Anyway, okay

By the way, Tony the Tweaker is a great character.

Oh, yeah. I love his cereal. They're great.

The mail that I've stolen from Andrew and Genevieve. It's really great.

Anyway, so I consider that a win. I'm continuing to grill. I have served my food at this point. There's, again, just kind of a few of us out here. We're outside on the roof deck area eating. And I'm always – all of this is to say I'm very, very conscientious of that grill.

Well, right. Well, for one thing, if I can just mention, Genevieve and I have long advocated for it being on the deck because that just seems like where the fun is and then it's closer to everything. And you have said that is a dangerous idea and you are worried about fire. So you've been very clear and very on the record about being very cautious about fire stuff at that house.

Yeah, and I just think that, like, even if the people in the winery, which is also in this little shared alleyway that we share a wall with, you know, they have a quasi-public business. If they were to come and, like, kind of see any kind of evidence of us being non-careful with grilling or anything that would put, you know, their business in peril, I would just feel bad. I just feel a lot of responsibility. So, anyway, when I'm grilling, even after the food is served, there's still some charcoal down there that's, you know, slowly burning out. I keep the lid off. I try to keep an eye on it. um

But we're eating. I kind of forget about it for a while. And then at some point, Phyllis Fletcher is one of our friends who's over here. Oh, P. Fletch? P. Fletch, yeah. And Tiara from Baltimore was visiting us this weekend. So it was a nice, fun little gathering. And Gus was over here, too. And I think Gus and Genevieve and Tiara were still eating outside. And me and Phyllis both came inside for some reason. Maybe I need to get another White Claw or something. And Phyllis walks in with me, and I smell burning. It doesn't smell like charcoal burning, though. It smells like smells kind of like an electrical burning, but of course, it comes an explosion. Of course, at first, I think actually, I think I ran into the kitchen first. I come in. I'm like, something's burning. And Phyllis is like, I smell something. I don't know if it smells like burning to me, but it doesn't seem so bad. She was pretty chill about it. But I'm I don't know. It's my house. I know it smells for better or for worse. I like run into the kitchen and I thought like I thought maybe something plastic was in the oven and somebody bumped the oven. I couldn't tell what it was, but the kitchen smelled, but it wasn't the worst of it, and then I immediately just run back outside. I'm like, this has something to do with the grill, and the grill is kind of down below us. I'll bet you whatever fell onto the grill is smoking and coming up through our windows, so I run all the way downstairs.

There is no burning. There's nothing noxious about this whatsoever.

How many do we have? We'll find out. So I run downstairs. I look at the grill. The grill is fine, Luke. Nothing is going on. The grill is smoldering exactly how it should be. the coals are burning out i run back upstairs now i'm in one of those modes where i'm just i'm like like a deranged toucan sam i'm like following my nose from room to room i run into my studio again it's still sore it smells a little acrid right oh my god last week's episode friday's episode was fire yeah actually it was so good i would have taken that it's actually there's actually smoke coming out of itunes because of the downloads i would have taken that unfortunately it turns out I had an episode of It's Been a Minute with Sam Sanders playing.

Yeah, we consider TV show more of a flame retardant.

Yeah, right, exactly. So anyway, I run into my studio, and it's like a little bit stronger there, but not quite as much. And I keep on thinking also, if this is coming from outside, is it coming in through the windows? I run into the guest room, and I don't know. It's kind of stronger in there, but not quite. I run upstairs. Like I'm running through pockets of this smell, this smoky, acrid smell, and I can't figure out what it is. There is not smoke in the air that you can see. It's just a burning smell, right? I come running back downstairs. At some point, Genevieve is looped into this. I don't know if I ran outside and said, Steve, something is burning. I can't pinpoint it. Genevieve comes in. She's like, oh, it doesn't smell like burning to me. It just smells like it smells strongly like linseed oil. Genevieve had we have these new outdoor chairs, these wooden chairs that Genevieve rubs down with linseed oil. And she had just done that, I believe, earlier that day. And Genevieve runs into this little storage closet we have. And when I say storage closet, it's like a it's one of those places in the house that guests don't see. Right. Like we inherited it. It already had some cans of paint and various other. Yeah. Just kind of stuff that came with the apartment as, you know, the colored paint for these walls and floors and, you know, some rags and old paintbrushes and that kind of stuff. Plus, we throw our own toolboxes in there. It's a complete mess in there. It's where every kind of, like, compound we have goes in there or tools or anything like that, gardening equipment. Genevieve opens up that door, and it hits us like a wall, this burning smell of linseed oil. Genevieve goes back into the corner where, on top of a big paint bucket, she had thrown the three rags she'd been using to, you know, put the linseed oil on the chair. She picks it up and audibly yelps and drops it because they're hot, Luke. The rags are burning. They're spontaneously combusting. There was not a flame yet, but there was smoke. Quick question, though. Am I panicked about the fire? Yes, you're panicked. Luke, they were smoking hot rags. You saw the photo of it. It looks like some sort of weird shroud of tauren because of the way it was bunched up in the corner. And, like, it turns out Genevieve then, you know, we realize that it's the rags. We throw them in the sink. We pour a bunch of water. And the house reeks. Tierra and Phyllis could not be more chill. They actually come inside. The weirdest thing about this story, not to put them on blast, is that's the moment that they decided that they wanted to start hanging out inside. Even though it smelled like acrid smoke and it was pleasant outside. I don't know. The party just came inside while Genevieve and I are just running around thinking, like, how in the world could this have happened? And then she pulls out the jug of linseed oil. And we, I say we, because I don't want to make it sound like I'm pointing fingers here, but it was she, because I didn't have anything to do with it, just did everything wrong, Luke. Literally everything you could possibly, like the back of the can says, like, as the rags dry, as linseed oil dries, it becomes combustible. Make sure not to, like.

you know um let them dry out dry out in a contained space like with other rags you need to put this in like a fireproof can and then put water in there and detergent and let it soak and like all these things because linseed oil on rags just thrown in the corner but i would like to reiterate like genevieve still has like i don't know if it's i don't ptsd is too strong of a word but she is like all weekend she has just been reliving this because these rags were in this little tiny you know room under the stairs where we keep all kinds of flammable stuff i mean right

like everything and also your fireworks yeah you're right your undetonated fireworks you keep in there my bazooka under there and the bazooka ammunition the straw bale for the hayride that

you hold each year but it really is like every kind of flammable thing you could imagine from goon to goof off to i don't know paint thinner to paint thickener is all the things that just

the smell of them when you open them you're like yeah that would burn like your eyes just kind of start to water a little bit and you go uh-huh yeah that shouldn't be near anything hot and that

we had rags that were smoking in there and Genevieve was reading about the timeline of linseed oil and it sounds like if if we had not discovered that in the next hour or so she thinks much less we would have seen actual flames and if that room goes up like that's it and she just keeps saying like what if we had gone out that night what if instead of yeah what if i had you know put the linseed oil on these chairs and then we all went out and had uh dinner and drink somewhere we came back at midnight and she's like this would have been a huge fire like she cannot

shake the alternate version of what could have happened yeah i mean i don't blame her for that i mean i i don't blame her for the the thing that happened i also don't blame her for ruminating on it because really it's like i i your house is is you know it's definitely an older house it's a lot of wood i don't think you probably have a fire suppression in there like they do in this like this modern apartment building that i'm in um and like yeah that would be that would just be the absolute worst place where a fire starting you know could happen and again you you guys because you're funionaires it's not outside of the realm of possibility for you to go and have kind of a fun afternoon that turns into a fun night that ends up at the eagles and then it's 12 30 and everyone's kind of ambling back like you could have been gone for a long time yep and and or gone to sleep also a bad one yeah you go to sleep right as these things are igniting i'm just feeding i can just think of so many ways that uh that this could have gone so much worse and it makes me retroactively stressed for you too i can't believe that linseed oil can do that and that it hasn't been harnessed to some sort of fire starting property like that's amazing that it's able just on a molecular level or whatever you would call that to do that i mean it's the type

of thing you i feel like i always hear about right spontaneous combustion when you're a kid you're just you you fantasize well you're like i don't know i guess i could just be walking down the street at some point i just burst into flames if i'm wearing like corduroy pants that are too that are rubbing together too much or something but um yeah i mean to actually see it and genevieve like starts reading these um background articles about the the well like the um the experiments they did like that kind of give her the timeline like after after about three hours as the rags begin to dry they start to let off an odor right and she's kind of going through it and it's like by hour four flames appear and it's just like it's astounding what was happening in this experiment was happening in our closet anyway i'm at the point where i'm still just like the more i relive this i just keep on repeating myself now so you have all of the information now it wasn't the grill by the way that was all kind of just a red herring but like that was what was going through my head the whole time like i i was being so cautious of the flames and hot coals outside i can't believe that it was something else that was almost burning in our house are you cool with genevieve drying

her linseed oil rags on the roof though you won't have the barbecue can she at least have her rags

there well i told well we should just dry them on the grill it seems like the faster way to do it she did say at one point she said because then she was so paranoid now we have the linseed oil rags like out in our garbage area like laid out she's like i have them all laid out on the ground So none of them are touching each other and they're only touching pavement because now like any – like she's scared to throw it in the garbage can, right? Right. Or even to hang it off.

Basically, you're just throwing like a would-be fire in whatever thing you're throwing it into.

And so at one point she said, you know, I was actually thinking, do we just need to burn them ourselves? Do we need to just set them on fire? Controlled burn. Control the burn so that they don't do it themselves.

Dude, this is a whole thing that I've been learning about lately. It's called a low-intensity fire. Native people were doing it for Thousands of years in the Americas Before we got here and told them to stop And then that's why everything's burning down Genevieve's just reconnecting With Native wisdom Getting in front of the fire with a low intensity burn

It does sort of feel that Native wisdom wouldn't have thrown These oily rags in the back Of the fire shed As I now call it

haven't you haven't i mean haven't you spent the weekend trying to think of some kind of joke of rags to riches but rags that's interesting i can't there's nothing that rhymes with itches that relates to this because believe me i kind of worked out midway through the story just trying to think of that joke i still can't get there we haven't i think i told you we had a show title

last week called from shags to riches oh yeah wow what are the chances i don't know i don't know

Well, anyway, I'm so glad you're OK and that that that didn't that you were actually there when those things started to, like, combust, man. That's that's more. And, you know, and also, even though I saw the photo on Instagram, I didn't have any sense of how actually kind of dangerous things. You know, who would you know, just have Genevieve call old Walt B. My dad, Walt Burbank, he's a sign painter. he's been working with all manner of of like combustible paints and oils and paint thinners and things and i just remember for when as a kid he would always be giving me talks about like you can't leave this on this and you got to make sure also when it comes to any kind of like maintenance of your paintbrush and what you need to do and what the water consistency needs to be like or the brush is going to dry out and die like my dad knows everything about that stuff and he honestly has a lot of spare time in his semi-retirement so if he just wants to just call him up and get the lowdown he'd happily and also if she needs any film or television on a thumb drive those are also services that my dad can provide preferably british yeah i mean the the one thing and we

should move on but the just the thing about it to me i feel like my whole life you've heard like yeah well you know be careful with oily rags right but you just like you're like yeah okay great what's gonna happen i'm gonna burn the town down because i put an oily rag in the corner whatever dad you know like yes the idea of treating oily rags carefully is seems both a cliche almost or a trope but also so dismissed and now i gotta say i will not dismiss that anymore i will realize that every oily rag every rag oily or not i now consider an enemy and that it must be watched

closely well speaking of grilled meats andrew i went to the oregon state fair yesterday with becca Yeah. And until I stopped eating meat, I didn't think I realized, although we went to the Minnesota State Fair together, you and I, and I was in my non-meat mode. I think that was the same trip I made you go to that vegetarian butcher shop that I think you found less, less than convincing. But as far as the taste of the.

Well, I ordered ribs that I ate cold without napkins on the sidewalk. I don't think it was fair. There was a lot working against that experience for you. I would totally try. If I actually was there and had a grill, I would go back to that place and buy food and grill it. Anyway, go ahead.

I just remember – I don't remember the Minnesota State Fair seemingly was lacking for non-meat things. In other words, I remember thinking, oh, there's tons of stuff I can eat here. The Oregon State Fair was kind of shocked. It's just, like, I mean, it's like, what's the big place? There's a place called, like, Hot Somethings. There was, like, ten of them. I don't know. I was also kind of like, isn't this supposed to be sort of a sampling of the various places? But there's, like, this one, like, it's, like, not called Hot Pigs, but it's got a pig on a motorcycle. Which is, like, did the pig die in a motorcycle accident and then you harvested it? Like, the pig is the mascot and also the thing you're cooking? But and it was like they just like were like the burnout burger, the corn dog wrapped in bacon, the, you know, all of this stuff. And I and just massive, massive, huge like grill after grill after grill being, you know, kind of like handled by guys with like, you know, goggles on and those, you know, whatever. But what really stuck out to me was I went, Becca and I went on the like, it's just a kind of a slow it's like a it's like a ski lift. I think it's called like the sky chair, which seems like an overstatement because it's not really in the sky. It's just kind of above the fair, right? And a lot of state fairs have something like this. You get on at one end of the state fair, and it's just a kind of a slow, nice, peaceful ride and basically like a ski lift type thing. And you get to look down at everything. And I remember loving that at the Puyallup Fair when I was a kid. In fact, I think my first ever hand-holding occurred on that ride. Oh, yeah. You've said that, yeah. When I was a kid. and maybe the hand-holding was so in the front of my mind when I was a kid that I didn't notice that, you know, while you're not in the sky, Andrew, you are about 100 feet over pavement. Yeah. And it was only when we stopped somewhere in the middle and I looked down and I just started to have the intrusive thought of what if this thing detached? Yep. Like, I don't think it's going to. There's probably a lot of, you know, for a state fair, I'm sure there's a lot of safety checks that are in place. And this isn't one of the rides. It just comes in, you know, on the back of a truck. This thing is a permanent installation at this fairgrounds in Salem, Oregon. I could kind of talk myself through it. But if I look down at the ground too long.

i was not able to get the thought out of my head of what if this thing just somehow for whatever reason just broke i mean we would just be dead that would be it there's no there would just be no uh kind of other way that things can go and i started to get really nervous and really quiet and just have to like i had to just like look straight ahead i kind of grabbed onto the there's like you know sort of a sidebar so sort of holding it meanwhile the whole time i'm also trying to act cash in front of Becca because I don't want to seem like I'm having a like I don't want to say a full freak out but I the beginnings of a freak out yeah man that is very relatable you are

starting to get you're starting to get the fear because you and I you've always said that you were scared of heights but then I felt like your actions would sometimes belie that and you know it might just be that certain heights you're more comfortable with than others and a phobia like this does not have a rhyme or reason but this ride you're describing um we call it at cedar point it was called i believe the sky ride and yeah maybe that's even what it's called here it might be a little it might be a little bit higher at cedar point i'm not sure but essentially like you mentioned like you fall and you die immediately i almost wonder if part of the fear of it for me is like it's actually maybe instead of to the death it might even be to the pain like i'm not even sure about that like if you're in air well i don't need to like ramp things up here and get macabre but like if you're in an airplane right and it's screaming towards earth like you're so high up there you're not really thinking about like would i survive this fall what would it be like when i hit the pavement or whatever when you're in these things like i have always like been afraid of these i mean i was really scared of heights when i was a little kid but then as a teenager and young adult i started going to cedar point and started going on really really high fast roller coaster rides and all kinds of things and i was so scared of heights but it just you know the the i don't know what the the fun quotient um helped me overcome it i guess and i realized that you know the the fear part of the the fun is the fear but with the sky ride it's not moving fast you're just hanging up there and you come and i don't know how it is at the park i assume similar but like you're constantly kind of dipping down when you're in the slack area of the cable and then you're kind of as you get to one of like the the the tent pole poles holding the slack cable up you start going up again you clack clack clack clack clack over about four wheels then you start going back down again and it just seems like the most insecure system in the world and i have never been i've been on that thing probably the first time i went on i was probably six years old and the last time i went on i was probably about 40 years old every time i've been on that thing at cedar point i have imagined my own demise in excruciating detail and the fact that you call it intrusive thoughts is a good way of describing it like once you start thinking about it which i do while i'm in line you cannot stop thinking about it well the thing

for me was i didn't think about it in line because i was like i love that thing that i went on 40 not 40 but 32 years ago at the puyallup fair because i had fond memories of it and then when i got on it and i started to realize oh this is kind of this is actually a little higher than i expected oh wow this is just for me it was the fact that because i have an overly optimistic sense of my ability to survive things if it were something that you were standing in somehow and i thought oh if this starts to fall i could jump and grab the cable which by the way zero chance of that working yeah there was something with that i was sitting and that then i was kind of like there was a bar that was trapping me in there it was the fact that i was stuck in the position i was stuck in so that if it were to start dropping i would just be at the mercy of physics when i kind of Started to get that feeling And then like it stopped and I said to Becca Oh why did it stop and she kind of laughed Like because she could probably tell that I was Started to have a wild freak out And I was like did somebody fall and I didn't mean did somebody fall Like from the you know In the middle of it I meant because you know it's like a Ski lift in that people are getting on and off It fairly quickly for Somebody who maybe has mobility issues Or whatever so it has to stop Sometimes because I think sometimes someone just doesn't like get on Properly or get off properly Sure you meant like stumbled did somebody stumble Yeah, did somebody stumble at the point at which you get on the little ride? But she thought I was saying, did the thing collapse somewhere in the middle, which would have been preposterous because we would have definitely noticed. Also, we would have then collapsed if the line – then I started thinking about like in Italy when like the U.S., like a U.S. plane clipped like a gondola line and a bunch of people passed away. It was just like – it was kind of getting out of control. But the thing was, we got through the first one and then we walked and we got an ice cream cone and checked out some stuff and then including pretty dark 4H display about sepsis that I think won, which I was like, it is well-researched. But, you know, you go in those pavilions and it's like young people have done these presentations. Yeah. Yeah. And one's like, this is a certain kind of chicken. This is how to do this. And then one's just like, the dangers of sepsis.

What is sepsis?

It's like sepsis is basically an entire body.

body infection, that people go into sepsis often from something else happening where you get sick or injured in some way. And then when your body goes into sepsis, you could be in real trouble because it's very hard to get that infection out. But it was an intense topic for, although somebody, one of the Stanwood 10s got at me on Twitter because I posted a picture and said, oh, yeah, no, this is, I think it might have been Dave, said, oh, yeah, a lot of this 4-H stuff is about really serious medical stuff. Wow. Like, that's pretty typical, I guess. But anyway, we wandered around all that And I guess my point is Then we got back on it to go the other way Because, I mean, it wasn't cheap It was like eight bucks a ticket Apparently my miserly sort of tendencies Not that I have a lot of them But with this kind of stuff I do

Yeah, you really don't That surprises me

I don't about things You'd buy one You'd buy a Skyride for $80,000 Oh, 100% I mean, I want to be able to go on it whenever I want to go on it Right, right But, like, I was like, eh, you know, we paid, and I was totally fine going back. So I don't know what happened. It just was something about it exceeding my expectations of scariness on pass number one. But then I survived it, and then I was like, yeah, it'll be fine. And somehow the trip back was fine, so I don't know what was going on. But I kind of got it worked out, I guess.

Oh, that's interesting. I would have guessed the opposite. I would have guessed that once the thought was in there that maybe it was going to stick with you more. Well, I'm glad I'm glad to hear that. I had a couple of questions, though. Did it have the pole in the middle of the car? Because I remember the last time I was on it, I was probably with my parents and Genevieve, I feel like. Or maybe it was just me and Genevieve visiting Ohio and going to the park. But I remember there was a metal pole in the middle, like kind of a subway pole or whatever. And I just gripped that thing so hard. I think my handprint is still in it like the Hulk.

No, it didn't have that. But what it had was the support poles went up either side. So with my left hand, I could grip the support pole on my side. That was my outside hand. And Becca could have, were she also having intrusive thoughts, which she wasn't, she could have gripped it with her right hand, her side of it. So there was something to hold on to, which I was availing myself of on trip number one. Did you guys hold hands is my other question because that's the key. Of course. That's the whole point of that thing. It's the second time I've gotten to hold hands in my life.

Nice. I think I'm going to miss that chance. The bad news is I think Becca's pregnant, so maybe good news.

How does that work?

I don't want to tell you your business.

The other thing, though, that I was – and Becca and I both were like, huh, is this a super spreader event? Because I will say this. I was actually pleasantly surprised at how many people were masked because, you know, Oregon has an outdoor mask mandate now. Oh, it's a – the outdoor part is a mandate, too. It's basically in environments where you cannot maintain six feet of distance, there is now a mask mandate, And that includes the Oregon State Fair. And I think that's just because of how the Delta variant is so much more contagious than the previous version. And so we had masks and we were wearing them anytime we were getting into a crowd of people are going to be, you know, standing near folks. It was obviously lightly enforced. I didn't see anybody. Although what I did see, there was a number of state patrol people there and they were all masked, which I appreciated. Yeah. I feel like there's been a lot of of late. It's been a lot of issues around sort of law enforcement and how much they do or don't believe in what we think of as the rules of our society. I mean, that's been going on forever, but there have been some some especially egregious moments. And so anyway, I was like, it seemed like the people in charge, people working there, the state patrol, they were trying to set a good example, which I sort of appreciated. And also, I saw a lot of people in masks Who, I have to be honest with you If You would have said, is this person going to be in a mask Like if you just showed me a photo of them I might have said, I don't know They didn't appear to be people who were like Let's say Live streaming Tony Fauci's Updates each day I mean, name names, did you see Jake Fraley there Is that what you're talking about? Firmer, Modesto Nut, Jane Fraley um i uh so i was i was it was weird because i was but then there'd be like a family okay so this was something that really jumped out at me it's a family the dad has kind of got one of those like i all i can say is my guess would be he and i don't totally align on politics there was it wasn't like he was one guy was wearing a shirt that i've seen too many times this summer that says i can't hear you over my freedom which i don't even really understand conceptually but something that people of that political leaning love, that shirt? Sounds like your freedom's getting in the way of your life then. Also, did you go swimming in freedom and did it get stuck in your ear? Have you thought about doing an ear candle? Does it make a swishy sound when you move your head from back and forth? Did you hear your heart beating through your freedom sometimes if you're lying on the pillow? But this guy wasn't, there was nothing super overt, but there was just kind of an energy around him that I thought, this is a guy who probably is more into his gun ownership and whatever than I would be, but dude was totally wearing a mask. mask outside then his wife wasn't which was odd because it i mean this is something that's been commented on in the first round of mask mandate it was not uncommon at least anecdotally to see couples where the uh the woman would be masked and the guy wouldn't um i mean again not that there was a ton of research around it but i remember reading articles about it and seeing it myself this was the opposite of that and then they had two kids and one kid had a mask on and

one kid didn't so it's kind of like i was intrigued by this family this family because it was clearly not the kind of thing where if you wore a mask you were going to be in belittled by the other members of the family which is probably a thing right because a lot of people for whatever reason see someone wearing a mask as some kind of insult to their person but this was obviously not that but it was also not a family where it was like we all are going to wear masks and i saw versions of that all over lots of people with masks on lots of people with masks that were then down below their chin uh becca and i were pretty careful because again you know you never know with this delta thing i'm not trying to get a breakthrough case so we were you know we were very masked up outside which which was i just would have never imagined that'd be back to masking outside i know

you know two months ago um i i do have a theory about the inter family masking policies um when i see something like that i always assume that the per you know if you see a group of people that seem like they're a family or a couple and one is wearing and one isn't i always kind of assume that one of them has some sort of pre-existing condition or some some sort of condition where they feel like they need to be especially careful and the other person doesn't you know what i mean

like maybe the one person has but this would have been the dad has an underlying condition and one

of the children well the kid i mean kids are kids i mean maybe one of them just likes it you know That's right. Well, sure. OK, we're talking about masks. So that's the thing I don't get about the the the people. I'm not sure that I understand all the arguments and I want to be I want to be considerate of the people who are listening who actually do have kids and they may have some sort of issue. But broadly speaking, not talking about the kids who have some sort of like special reason why a mask might be dangerous for them to wear. But broadly speaking, one thing I do not understand about this idea of of people being appalled by having kids wear masks in school is they say that this is especially damaging for the kids. I mean, just, you know, emotionally, it's really tough on them, which I can sort of see like you want you want to protect kids from some of the fears and dangers of society. And if there's something that seems like an outward flag of we live in a scary time, I could see that being psychologically damning. but i don't think that wearing masks has to be that i think if you're messaging it right kids will wear what you tell them to wear like we could have lived in a society where you didn't have to wear pants either and then somebody says hey we have to wear pants now and people would be freaking out be like what do you mean i have to wear pants to work i can wear pants to school yeah you have to wear pants to work in school like kids are just like yeah guess what kiddo we wear masks now do you want one that says uh teenage mutant ninja turtles on and like yeah I want the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle one like kids if it just seems like something fun and cool that they can kind of pick out and you're not freaking out about it as an adult I think the kids are the most and again I'm sure I'll hear from a lot of people with different perspectives on this but it seems like kids are the most kind of open to that kind of thing unless you make it weird I think you're totally right and again with the caveat that there may be a few examples of of kids where the mask is is actually medically problematic maybe kids that have breathing issues etc.

With that sort of being noted and putting that totally to the side of this I just saw an article the other day that was basically saying Kids don't give a rip It's these wackadoo parents Generally speaking, and again, medical issues notwithstanding Kids are like, yeah, okay, this is what we're doing now I used to have to wear a gym uniform when I went to Jesus Creek It was a certain gray shirt and a certain red shorts That you had to buy for $12, which stressed me out endlessly I was always stressed out when there was any mandatory fashion that cost money. Like if my basketball team was like, we're all getting this shoe. I was always like, oh, man, this is going to be a real situation at home. My parents were not about paying for stuff like that. And there's like a massive like I was just glad somehow. I don't know. I mean, I might have literally stole someone's out of the lost and found at some point. And I got the normal outfit, everyone. Everyone calm down. But like you do all kinds of like I'm just repeating, you know, but you do all kinds of stuff as a kid. That's just compulsory because that's what the grown-up said And generally it's not that big of a deal It's these parents that are showing up At these school board meetings just having meltdowns That I think is a much bigger issue

Yeah, absolutely

Okay, let's take a quick break And then when we come back I'm actually very excited to tell you about this pizza story And get your thoughts on it, Andrew And of course we'll do some emails and V-mails And we will We'll be right back.

remember Lee Scratch Perry who passed away as well. So stick around. This is TBTL. I was just clearing my throat to the music but I have, of course, my microphone muted for that exact reason but I found myself just clearing my throat and then I was like, I'm just going to do it I was like sound like a muppet i totally do okay rolf where's your piano what's the point of me muting my microphone so the listeners don't have to hear me doing that and then doing it

intentionally on mic i don't know it's like the type of thing we're on a weekend you and i might do something that is embarrassing around people that we don't want anybody to know about but then

it's the first thing we talk about monday's show i know it is a strange impulse we are gonna thank some donors. I'm not just here to clear my throat on Mike. I'm here to thank some donors of the day. These are the wonderful generous folks who are supporting our show with a donation each month. Folks like Todd Tinker of Bainbridge Island Washington. Hey Andrew look at this now you're sending me to the country as well.

Oh I did. I included it

this time. I need to start doing that. You know that was an accident but that's right. We talked about that last week. I just thought you were spending the weekend lighting the house on fire and thinking about it. I am scrolling down

And it looks like they are all USA, which obviously just fills me with pride. It looks like the next two months, probably.

Now, maybe a month. Made in America for Americans by Americans. Real people.

That's what I was going to say. Yes, exactly.

No, because last week there was somebody in New Zealand. I want to say New Zealand. And it was Cheviot and I. And I thought it was Michigan or something. Anyway, Todd Tinker is in U.S. of A. As is Ariel Dierdorf Who's in San Francisco, California United States of America Thanks Ariel We're going to get the United States of America On every single donor now I would never Rachel and Matt G are in Bellevue, Washington Where's that? Thanks for supporting the show USA Dylan and Julie Hefner Are right here in Portland, Oregon Where I'm currently at as well Thank you Dylan and Julie for supporting this little program. Ingrid Keller is in Fort Worth, Texas. I wonder if Ingrid is a Cowboys fan. How about them Cowboys? Because that's the, I told you about this a couple weeks ago, that's the team that's being profiled on Hard Knocks, Andrew.

Would you say that they are USA's team?

I would say they are. That's as they're famously known. USA's team. Despite its corniness and the just absolutely terrible turns of phrase that are used on hard knocks and its formulaic nature. I still just love it because they do have this way of – it is really, I think, the best view into how these NFL players interact with each other. And, of course, there are pro athletes and there are examples of times when these pro athletes act in the wrong and do all kinds of bad things. This is just highlighting the good parts. But, man, the good parts are so humanizing. I already talked about where they had Ezekiel Elliott wrapping a present for Dak Prescott. Oh, yeah. I am just of the opinion that Dak Prescott, and again, please, universe, don't make me regret saying this. Dak Prescott just seems like a hell of a dude. Like, I just like him. And they just – there's so many times when he's not being interviewed. They're just catching him kind of randomly with a boom mic. It feels verite to me in the sense that I don't think he is doing it for the camera. just his conversations like with Ezekiel Elliott with the other players like there's just a lot of for this being serious business the business of football there's a lot of just kind of like dudes hanging out with dudes and talking in what of course this is what they're putting on television right so I can't speak to what all the conversations but it's kind of not very toxically masculine I mean again a guy wrapping a present for his male friend and he got him a rolling suitcase that he was really like a really cool one that like Dak Prescott was really excited to have like who's just kind of adorable to me and so and even jerry jones i mean look i'm sure if i say jerry jones strikes me as this kind of mildly entertaining and charismatic guy someone's going to send me a bunch of articles about terrible things jerry jones has done but at least as far as this hard knocks thing goes he just comes off as this kind of guy who seriously loves this shit you know he's just like obsessed with it and i mean it's the most valuable It's definitely the most valuable NFL franchise Which means it might be the most valuable sports franchise in America Maybe the Yankees are worth more But I mean the guy could just walk away Now he's Incalculably wealthy now I don't know if that's I don't know if you can say incalculable

incalculable do i say incalculable anyway ingrid go cowboys in fort worth texas usa thank you and then megan kelso is in seattle this is weird seattle washington new zealand oh that's a sister city love it right exactly uh thanks megan and thanks to all of our donors of the day for making this possible for making it that this can be our job we really do appreciate you hello and welcome to top story all right uh this was a story that was a sent in by our official pepperoni correspondent listener hey lloyd who used to be lloyd in medford but he's lloyd in somewhere else now because we were considering stopping in medford to say hi to him during the thought and he was like no i'm actually in is he in california or something yeah i kind of i will

always feel a little bit bad about that because we were putting together our you know our road trip and we were looking for something in that kind of part that neck of the woods and we thought oh you know i'm sorry i'm not being very articulate here on our road trip when we're stopping at listeners houses and we thought oh perfect lloyd is right there in that neck of the woods so i actually had a phone call with him where i called him up and i said hey you're in medford right he's like i used to be um i i just moved recently and then i was like oh the rest of this phone Conversation is going to be awkward because You're no longer You no longer fit into this plan

What did he even consider moving back to Medford

It's weird that he didn't bring that up Although the truth is I think he might have Even brought that up He was very very bummed But we'll have more opportunities

We ask so little on this show of you Lloyd It's only that you send us every Pizza related story that you see That you Actually turn me on to the pizza Exposition Down in Las Vegas Which churned out a TV story for me And then you move back to Medford if we need a place To rest our heads on a road trip In a Delica I see so many Delicas now by the way It really is that thing where if you've actually Driven a certain kind of vehicle I mean by so many I mean I've probably seen like 10 of them total in Portland But that still seems like a lot

You know I don't have an I'm very unobservant especially when it comes to cars I keep on thinking that I'm seeing Delica Type of things but instead they're like various VW vans, not from the 60s, but from the 80s and 90s.

Okay, so this was a story sent in by a listener, Hayloid. A famous Minnesota pizza brand just came up with a pure genius pro tip. This was from KROC News, which I think is a Rochester, Minnesota television station. Sounds like KROC.

KROC?

Yeah, they rock Rochester and that Culver's that we went to once and had that conversation with the waitress. So Heggie's Pizza, of course, is a kind of beloved thing in Minnesota. It is, I would say, probably the best frozen pizza I've ever had. Would you say it's got to be up there? It was great. Yeah, I haven't had one in forever. You're going to have one soon. Oh, right, because I'll be in. By the way, Eric the Viking Stromstad has worked all that out for me. I have a studio reserve. I thought you meant he worked out the Heggie's Pizza situation. Well, that too. I mean, it's part of my rider. So he's made sure that they're going to have four Heggie's Pizza there for me. I wonder if Higgies tastes so good Because it's usually In my experience I've only eaten it at a bar In Minnesota at some kind of bar Where they have heated it up in some kind of Oven and I didn't have to make it I wonder if I was at my house and I pulled a Higgies pizza Out of the Out of the freezer and then threw it in If it would taste as good you know Also I've been very drunk every time I've had it So there's been a lot going for it I think As a pizza product for me but I do think it really delivers As far as frozen pizza goes

Yeah, I would definitely try it at home, and I'll bet you it would be good as long as you cooked it in the oven and didn't try some microwave stuff. And also, you can be drunk at home.

Well, the tip that Heggie's Pizza has shared with folks is that, you know, if you normally are having a frozen pizza, right, Andrew? Yeah. You take the pizza, you get the oven going, you put it on the rack or you put it on the, you know, baking sheet or whatever the instructions are. You cook that thing, it gets real hot, take it out, cut it up, and then you enjoy. As the person—I don't have their name. Whoever put this together for K-Rock News in Rochester says, of course, this is the point at which they usually burn their mouth because they get too excited about it and it's too hot. Here is what Heggies is telling people to do, Andrew. You cut the pizza before you cook it. so that all of those edges that you've cut also have the chance of becoming crispy and delicious. More surface area, if you will, more sides of the pizza that can get crusty and delicious. Andrew, would you say your mind has been... Let's blow some tiny minds. Would you say your mind is a little bit exploded by that? It's a little, it's like a mini unicorn.

with an exploding brain sticker. That's something

else my dad can definitely hook you up with.

Well, this, I mean, I've been thinking, this has come up on the show before, but it just came up again recently. I've been thinking a lot about it, how, you know, you want to start that restaurant called Edge, I believe. Like, you always have been arguing like the more surface area. That's where they almost bring you the food.

They keep telling you they're going to bring you the food.

And when the food comes out, man. Yeah, boy, is it delicious. That, I'm distracted and blushing. Yeah, but you've always said, like, the best part is, like, you know, if you're maybe eating brownies, right? It's the edge of the pan that you want, right? Oh, sure. Yeah.

Bip-bum-bap I bring up a lot. That's the delicious sort of Korean rice dish, but it's often cooked in a stone bowl. And so you get the crusty edge going. Any – the edge of everything, nachos, that's always my favorite part of stuff. So maybe I'm especially excited about this because we're creating more edge.

Yeah, I am. I will say that I am. I would try it. I don't know why I'm slipping into skepticism, though. It's just probably just like just like me not liking change. I don't know. I do make the occasional frozen pizza. So next time I do it, I will certainly consider that.

I wonder if it's a little harder to cut when it's frozen.

I bet you it is, yeah.

I mean, depending on the kind of – the particular brand of frozen pizza you're buying. Like if you were to get a thick crust frozen pizza, although why would you?

Yeah, that's not –

To me, it's like the crust is always the thing that they – the crust is the hardest part, literally. But the crust is the most difficult thing, I think, to kind of engineer in a frozen pizza. Like having it actually taste kind of fresh and good after it's been frozen and cooked in your oven. So I'm always just like thin crust because I just want the least of the thing that is creating the most problem in the frozen pizza. But that being said, if you were getting something that had a thicker crust and it's frozen, it's solid as a rock, that might be a little bit hard to cut. That could be an issue.

What is – because we're going to have Heggies out here. When you go to the grocery store and get a frozen pizza, which I don't think you do all that often, although I think you and I have brought down with some frozen pizzas before. Oh, dude. Like when we were in Arizona. What is your go-to brand?

i will um to be honest with you i'm i'm pretty uh i'm pretty flexible it just has to be thin crust and maybe not the most generic one like the kind of like the absolute cheapest like a western family or something but there are some ones that'll really kind of run you like sometimes like wolf i'll do like a wolfgang puck maybe or like a california pizza kitchen or am there was one actually you know what there was a store brand and i forget what it was called that i actually really liked for a while i actually love frozen pizza like if i get a thin crust frozen pizza and i cook it just right and i throw i'll usually you know i get obviously like a cheese kind and then i will throw my own black olives on there and um and then uh you know like eat that while i'm watching a baseball game i actually love that stuff i just am trying to eat a little healthier and so i don't have it in the house right now because i know there's a certain amount of wine wine plus time i think this was actually a one of einstein's uh famous theories wine plus time

for luke equals frozen pizza at about 11 p.m but he like drew the little pizza and then like 1 1 p.m it looked better exactly chalkboard sure absolutely pie was involved literally

oh right but yeah he like so but all that to say i actually really do love frozen pizza and i love having it around because i get hungry sometimes uh you know late at night usually after drinking and i want to have something and uh i'll go nuts for it but i really would like the next time i make one of these like if i give myself a cheat day or something i um by the way i'm not like losing very much weight with all of my renewed exercise and eating better but everything uh everything kind of like my clothes are fitting better and i am feeling like i'm a lot healthier but there's very little evidence on the scale and i can't quite figure that out but i'm just trying

to roll with it well one follows the other i feel like and also the good the good feeling is good and it'll get you you know continuing this trend and the rest will follow hopefully don't don't

focus on the scale in the mirror too much no i'm not i i really am not like i'm uh i'm not because i initially this maybe this is just a throwback to when i was in my 30s and my body just performed differently like i think you lose weight much easier the younger you are you get older your metabolism changes but i had sort of charted this thing out like i'm gonna be at this weight at this point and stuff and it's like that's not really happening but i can say genuinely that i have for all of a month now this is the beginning of week five of me doing this i really have kind of like modified some behaviors and so that has to be doing me some good yeah in some way but it's weird because Because if I was 30 and I spent four weeks exercising every day and not eating late at night and moderating my drinking and just all around being healthier, I would really see it reflected on the scale. And that's not really happening right now. But I'm trying to just be like, it is what it is. I actually made a deal with myself. I was only going to weigh myself once a week. But then a lot of times when I'm on the jog, I'm thinking the reward for this is to weigh yourself. I mean, I'm not – by the way, this is very probably disordered what I'm describing, and I'm not saying this is how other people should behave. I'm not even saying it's how I should behave. But sometimes I'll motivate myself to do a jog by thinking you do a jog right now. You get on that scale. You're going to get a good number. You're going to feel good. Again, that's a very problematic way to look at it, and I'll admit that. But I've had to kind of like now try to break out of that because I'm not really – I'm not seeing those results the way that I want, but I'm also feeling kind of fine about it, which is new for me. Yeah, no, that's really good.

Yeah. For me, it's like, hey, yeah, no, go to the gym because afterwards the two giant things of Gatorade and the bag of Land Yeagers will taste even better. And I'm like, oh, that's probably not how any of this is supposed to work.

So I'm definitely going to do this if it comes up because, you know me, I love that edge. And I also kind of think with frozen pizza, the middle of it is also just kind of the least interesting. Sometimes it's just kind of a melty mess. So the idea of creating distinct lines and each one of those lines can be just like a burned – a slightly burned cheese thing, that just is very, very appealing to me. So, yeah, I'm excited about this. So thank you very much for sending this along, Lloyd. We really appreciate it. At least I really appreciate it. I'll give you a full report next time I decide to have a pizza night.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man, it's not from a female.

All right, any emails or V-mails that are fascinating you on this Monday?

Yes. Here's one thing I want to say. I want to say this publicly here because I want to hold ourselves accountable. I have several very interesting emails and voicemails about the dog poop, putting dog poop in strangers' garbage bins debate. And this isn't just rehashing the same stuff we've heard over. I got three very interesting messages that I would really like to play together. But we need to carve out some time to actually do that. So if we can, let's do that on tomorrow's show. Meanwhile, how about this? I think we can quickly answer this question from Bill in Kingston, Ontario, formerly Toronto. Between Bill and Lloyd. Why don't you guys start a club called Betrayal Tens? We can't rely on these tens for anything. Can't you just settle down for your life? No, anyway, so this is Bill, formerly in Toronto, now in Kingston. An issue has arisen many times in my life, and I expect yours as well. You go out to eat with someone, maybe in a group or maybe just one other person, and it's time to pay the bill. Someone calls it. I've got it. I'm paying. That's nice, but it almost always sends a shock of mixed feelings around the table. Maybe you intended to pay and just got beaten to it. Maybe you say, okay, I'll pay the tip, though. But then the big spender says, no, no, no, I got it all. The problem is you don't know how well the person who's picking up the tab tips. You don't know if they're a generous tipper or Scroogey. But either way, their tip reflects upon you by association. How do you or have you dealt with this? You want to go first?

Here's the thing. I in my experience, it's pretty rare that somebody is generous enough to get the check for everyone, but then is trying to go cheap out on the tip. I mean, mostly the people I know that are being like, well, I only had one of the cheese sticks. So can you put me in for one eighth of the appetizers? The person who's being parsimonious is usually not reaching for the check. But I have had it No you know I've had it before where This is sort of can be sometimes Generational I remember Being out with well I want to be vague but I was out At a kind of an extended family event and I think Somebody in the extended family was getting the check Which was awesome but they were From a different generation and they were A little bit you know they were from the generation Where like if you tip 10% You know and then if you really Just they blew your mind you might tip 15 where i feel like a lot of our generation it's like 20 is kind of the min now you know you just

sort of double the bill and like that's what it is yeah on tax too don't like do that pre-tax tipping

thing so i so i remember in that case i think sliding trying to slide some extra money in there after the fact just because the person had been very nice you know so that was like just the person paying was just from a different era but But so that's that's one thing. I mean, you also just got maybe got to get eyes on it. Maybe. I mean, I guess if you were really concerned about this, you could always say like, I mean, it's weird because it's awkward to ask for the check after the other person has signed it. I was trying to think of like a cover story. Like you could say, hey, I wanted to see how much my jalapeno poppers were, you know, because I've heard there's a shortage of jalapenos.

Wow. This is why you're convincing me. And I know it's a lie. I mean, that was just amazing. That's great. I feel like I'm with you that I feel like I've been in this situation in the past, but I feel like it doesn't – now the more awkward thing I feel like or the more common thing in my life is maybe you're just like splitting the bill with someone. Like the other day, me, Genevieve, and broadcast Barry went to dinner together, right? So like we all kind of – to make the math easy, we just like gave them three cards and said split into thirds, even though Vives and I, our cards go to the same account. But it was just an easier way to handle it, right? But then I said to Barry, like, well, I need to make sure you're not tipping more than me. Like, what are you tipping? Because now you have three checks and they all have the exact same total, right? Then I don't want to be out-tipped. So then, I mean, this is good for the service industry because then you can get into a bidding war where everybody's like, well, okay, I'll do $10.01. Well, then I can do $10.50 and then you can just keep going.

See, that's the best version of things, though. Right. No, I mean that because I have had it happen when you're splitting a bill, I have definitely noticed other people tipping less than me. And, like, again, because not always, and Broadcast Berry is an incredibly generous source. Oh, yeah. Exactly. Sending us free coffee left and right, among other things. But I've been out with people before where if it's the kind of person who's like, let's split it, immediately my radar goes up. And then I will try to slyly note, are they tipping enough, what I consider to be enough. which I guess would probably be about 20%. And I like the way you framed it, though, which is, oh, I've got to make sure you're not tipping more than me, because then it's sort of like a positive pressure.

Yeah, and also, and I really was doing it that way. It was kind of like a joking around thing, because I'm always going to tip well, but just kind of like, I don't know, it's kind of a joke and kind of a flexy joke, I guess. But you are right. If you're out with somebody who isn't your generous broadcast berry, and it's somebody that you are a little bit worried about, And I will say there are definitely people in my life that I can think of and be like, if I'm out to dinner with them and we're splitting the check or what have you, I might tip a few extra dollars secretly on my own tab thinking that the person across from me might be less of a tipper than me.

That's an interesting way to do it. Yeah, you could just kind of make up the difference. And you come out looking like an absolute champ.

To the person. Yeah, I mean to the server. Right, yeah. And usually I'll put my phone number in there or something. Obviously. Yeah, right. Sometimes I'll tip and then I'll put it on. It'll be the house that's on fire due to linseed oil. Yes. You'll recognize it. What I'll do sometimes is I'll leave a really big tip and I'll put my number in there. And then what I do is I ostentatiously put on lipstick at the table and then I kiss the bill. I kiss the bill and I leave my. Sure. Swack. Sealed with a kiss. Yeah, exactly.

I go swa. Sealed with a hug. Because I like, you know, I'm not about trying to kiss people that haven't given consent. No, that's smart. But I am about hugging them, Andrew, which is. Yeah, and just never letting go.

I want to hug this show and never let it go

Alright, we got this email From Paul across the pond Yeah, he says Hey chaps, with the terribly sad Passing of the utter genius that is Lee Perry Now I will be very Up front, I knew the name Lee Scratch Perry because of just Seeing it written many many times And he used to tour as well and I would see He was coming through town and Seattle and stuff I'm not that familiar with him but what I have Now become familiar with is that he was a very very influential producer on a lot of the like reggae and other music that was coming out of jamaica over the years uh he passed away and paul said um could you try and find the opportunity to give him a mention in a in a play this week paul says i was lucky enough to see him perform a couple of times in the last few years when he was performing he transmitted so much love positivity and energy to the audience many thanks you guys so then i asked paul i didn't know what time it was in the uk but i just figured let's let's let's you know throw a hail mary i asked paul hey what song would you like to hear from lee perry and uh he said how about either having a party or am i am the upsetter thank you and have a great show just this is just my instincts i like a song called

having a party sure let's do it it looks like that is the most popular song by him on spotify so it seems like perfect um i'll bet you this might be one of those songs where once we hear it, we'll recognize it, too.

So we'll go out with a little Lee Perry, RIP to him, and we'll say goodbye for this episode of the show. Of course, we'll be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you, so please join us for that.

then, have a great Monday, stay safe, take care of yourselves, and please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all. This is Skellington from outer space having a party. It gonna last all night. Hello? This is the Skellington, Marcus Garvey, from outer space having a party. Hope you will be there. And have a good time. Punk your punk. Drink you drink, wink you wink and think you think. Drunk you drunk and punk you punk. Funk you funk and junk you drunk. When you're drunk, don't try. Having a party tonight, it's gonna last all night. Shotgun will be there Pop gun Jazz gun will be there Drink you drink Drink you drink Wink you wink and think you think Drink you drink And drunk you drunk I say Funk you punk Funk you punk you punk Funk you funk and drunk the drunk Bank managers will be dear Bank managers will be dear That was really good pizza. Oh, this is the best pizza in a cup ever. This guy's unbelievable. He ran the old cup of pizza guy out of business. Power out.