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The basic plan we have for the family is the family talk plan. It's called All Talk. You get 400 anytime minutes, which you can use anytime. There's another one called Even More Family, and that is 400 anytime minutes, unlimited nights and weekends. That sounds great. We'll do that. There's more options. Can I? There's Even More Family Unlimited, which is unlimited minutes and texting plus web.

Okay, so one doesn't have texting, the other doesn't have web.

We'll just get one that has everything. Okay. Well, then you want the Simply Everything plan.

Okay.

There's also Simply Everything plus.

Which is what?

Simply Everything plus texting.

What we want is your most standard, basic family plan with a satellite locator.

This Changes Everything plan is what you want then. You guys want to add another line for $5? I would love that. Yes. Great. So you guys are all set. That is the plan. Simply Everything, everything. Shared any 10 minutes plus rollover. Great, okay, so you're all set, you're all signed up Now there is a nominal fee if you want to keep your current phone number

Yeah, I thought that was a free service

After you pay for it, it is free So it's just a one-time fee that you pay annually It's not a one-time fee, but It is one time in that you only pay one time a year Great All right, great, you guys are ready to pick out your sunglasses TBTL

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All right, hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Wednesday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Oh, and the adventure begins again. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. And I'm going to get all anecdotal on you. Coming to you from the Nest Broadcast Center high in the sky above Portland, Oregon, where it is just turning into an absolutely beautiful Wednesday. It was pretty cold and pretty dark this morning when I got out there for my jog. I had something scheduled for early this morning, which I had the whole day organized around, and then got changed at the last minute. I'm still mildly creased about the whole thing. I'm sure I'll end up talking about it on the show with Andrew because, you know, we're not good at keeping anything inside. That's just one of the many things you can look forward to here on episode 3,526 in a collector series.

Let the fun begin.

Bill Shatner can look forward to going into space in a few days here. That's right. He's scheduled to be the oldest person. ever go in space he's going on one of those blue origin rockets from my point of view it's a beautiful story of course he's happy about it but um i'm not we'll talk about that also i don't know if y'all were following this uh bear competition going on at the katmai national um i don't know what you'd call it reserve in alaska a bear who had no idea what world it just stepped into, Carl's world. The competition is to find which bear puts on the most weight after coming out of hibernation and before going back into hibernation, actually, it's the Fat Bear Contest.

I'm not fat. I'm big boned.

It's marred by controversy this year. Was it the bear that was obviously the largest or was it the more lovable bear, Otis? who was overcoming, you know, was kind of an inspirational story that won the annual Fat Bear competition. We'll get into that. Plus e-mails and v-mails. And this guy, the longest-running co-bro of the show, may be best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's an activist and house party enthusiast and also...

He's king of the tuk-tuk sound!

He's Andrew Welsh, and he's joining me right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning. I am doing some last-minute cramming on Fat Bear Week right now. So we'll talk about it when the topic comes up. But it's one of those things that just suddenly was there all around me. People talk about Fat Bear Week online. And it felt like it's always been here, yet I don't know when it started. And I just was like, how is this just one of those? It's just like one day I woke up and people were. Wishing their siblings Happy Sibling Day. Like, where did that come from? How did everybody know?

Daughter's Day. National Daughter Day is one. Sorry, Addy. Homie, don't play that.

Daddy, don't play that?

Every day is National Daughter Day in my heart. And, you know, peace and love to our listeners who enjoy that. Everybody should be loving their children and showing that. But there's just something about some of these days that, like you said, Sibling Day, Daughter Day, Fat Bear Week. No, maybe Fat Bear Week doesn't belong on the list. But a lot of these things are just kind of like they become a thing on the Internet. And then it goes from, like, as you said, Andrew, a thing that none of us knew anything about to where we're all like, oh, my God, you didn't do anything for Sibling Day?

Oh, my gosh. 480? You're telling me that 480 Otis won again? Is it 480 Otis? Anyway, we'll talk more about that later.

That is who it is. See, all of your cramming worked.

Yeah, yeah. It's 50 degrees here. That's the reason I started by talking about my last-minute homework on Fat Bear Week is because I really didn't want to start the podcast just by commenting on the weather.

Oh, you didn't want to steal my move?

That's a good point. How I start every single episode. I didn't mean that as a neg. You know that. But it's just like if I crack my mic, I'm just like, boy, chilly here, Luke. It just really does. It's hard to justify my job as a daily podcaster. But now that we're into our second conversation of the brief show so far, of the young show, I will say 50 degrees. Brr. How's that for podcasting?

Well, OK. So I mentioned at the top of the show that I had to sort of get out on the earlier side than normal to get my jog in today because I was supposed to do an interview at 8 a.m. local time for Livewire, which is earlier than we usually do then. But the plan was to talk to somebody who's kind of a big deal musician I will withhold the specifics more than that Just because I don't want to besmirch anyone

If I guess, will you tell me, was it William Shatner?

It was not William Shatner God, if we could get him on to do one of his spoken word albums What we do is then I just have Andrea Seabrook standing right next to me And then I say hi to William Shatner And then I step away and she steps in and she says, let's dance, motherfucker.

Although it really would. It could be a Billy Bob thing, though, if you're there to interview him about his music. But then you mentioned that he happened to be on a famous sci-fi TV show. He could ask you.

I don't see William Shatner. By the way, now we're just going to have to have the William Shatner talk.

Oh, yeah, you're right. I'm spoiling it all. I'm spoiling it all.

How much William Shatner talk can this episode of the show contain? No, put a pin in that. I'm going to pin that one right up. I will just quickly say, the idea of William Shatner being rude during an interview seems extremely possible, a la Billy Bob Thornton. But anyway, we're going to do this interview, and it's a good get for us, and the person's very talented, and we're excited about it. But the deal was, they could only do it at 8 a.m. West Coast time. And I was like, okay, well, that'll just mean I've got to get up extra early. I've got to make sure that I get a good night's sleep, that I'm all prepared for the interview last night, which means things I was going to do last night I couldn't do, you know, just in terms of some paperwork and travel expenses, whatnot. So also I don't I have not yet since I've lived in Portland run when it's just totally pitch black, like it feels like you're running at night, which, by the way, feels kind of cool. Have you ever noticed, have you ever just been like jogging somewhere at night? I don't mean like in a running outfit, but just kind of like, I don't know, you're, I'm trying to think of a context in which you would be running at night. But have you ever had the experience even as a kid where you're kind of just running at night? It feels like you're super fast.

No, I don't think so. I've never had either one of those experiences when I felt super fast or when I've run at night. I did, I remember stumbling and almost maybe as drunk as I've ever been in public, stumbling drunk from a meeting with you and Camaro Kev. It did start as a work meeting and then devolved from there years ago, and then me trying to make my way through Green Lake Park, a park I know well but has no lights. I'd never been there at night before, and I slipped and fell in the mud, and I came home covered in mud. Do you remember that? I do. It was like a cartoon. I was covered in mud. Anyway.

Well, I remember being a kid once when Peter Williams and I, we had been at Leilani Lane's bowling alley, and we were doing our typical thing at that time, which I think we were obsessed not so much with bowling, interestingly enough, but with this one. It was either pop a shot or like a football game where you try to throw it, you know, the football through a thing. It was one of those arcade games. I think it was pop a shot. And we just would get into these. We would get into these kind of things where we would just obsess over something for like a month or two. so we were obsessed with this Papa Shot game and trying to get the high score trying to beat each other or whatever and so I remember we were up at Leilani Lanes it was in Greenwood I believe it's a Leilani Lanes storage place, which is really a downgrade in the fun department. Go from a bowling alley with a tiki themed bar with swiveling captain's chairs, basically the greatest place on planet Earth, to a place where you can rent storage lockers by the month. But they kept the name. So that's pretty cool. Anyway, we decided, I think, that we wanted to, like, rent a movie that night. but it was let's say it was 8 45 and the grocery store we would rent movies from which was by his house by our houses closed in 15 minutes we got it in our head that we needed to run home from leilani lanes which was i don't know it's probably like two and a half miles which was a long way to run in those days because we weren't like you know yeah workout fiends and i remember us just it's also a slight downhill from green wood down to green lake which also really helps i just remember us just running and just like feeling like oh my god we are like this is basically what it feels like to be the flash or something there's something about running at night when you're not drunk where because just something about the way that and maybe also this has to do with like you you know wear glasses and stuff i don't wear glasses typically so i'm not as worried about if i'm seeing where i'm going it's very freeing is my point so i was doing that this morning i was out there i was a little nervous because i haven't been out running in the dark here but it worked out okay got home got got took my shower part of the whole timing was after i run i look like joe rogan for about an hour i look like i'm on some kind of hgh that's causing my pallor if you will it gives me the ruddiest complexion like it's just uh it's very obvious something was going on with me for a while so that's why i had to run so early because i had to wait for all of that to settle down i had to give myself basically an hour of just recovery time before i got on the zoom call to talk to this fairly famous musician so all of this has happened everything's great and then at 7 30 a.m i get a text saying this person's team has asked to move the interview at to two o'clock today and i was like i was i try to be like i try to be like i on the radio

show it's like i feel like i'm how do i put this i try to be a force of positivity because i know what it's like i've worked on shows where the person who's the host is negative and it really bums it just you know a fish negatives from the head i think is what they've always said and so i try to as much as i can not not give into negativity because that just sets a tone and that's not fun for anyone so i try to be very very upbeat and positive but i just couldn't quite resist years ago you got to be kidding me um which is about as kind of as as as much as i express external disappointment as it relates to that job of mine and uh and so i said yeah i think i can do the other time it took me like four seconds to bounce back but you know what ended up happening andrew i had the best morning because i just had like all of a sudden an extra hour and a half i wasn't expecting to have i got so much stuff done you do all that stuff you didn't do last night i did that stuff i made tea i'm drinking something called throat coat that i got at whole foods which is supposed to be good for your respiratory because my voice has been so thrashed since last weekend um i just did a bunch of like just really boring details like in you know changing settings on my hsa i mean i'm not even kidding literally like things that because i was just sitting there and i was like well i'm showered the show tbtl is prepped i did my workout uh what do i do with myself and what i did was a bunch of things that have you know i've been putting off for for months probably that have just been on to-do lists and like this has been actually like a great morning for me even though i was so annoyed that my schedule got switched around after i'd made those preparations that's like perfect

time to like blow away or blast away emails as my dad would say right like all those emails that you open up your your main email account and they just stare at you every day and you keep thinking like i'm going to get to that because all of them are like associated with another task right it's not just emails it's like maybe you have to reply to them but more likely my my email box becomes like basically a to-do folder essentially like i'll get an email right and i'll see okay what i need to do was fill out this W-9 for something that I did. So, okay, well, I'll get that later. I'll mark this unread for now. And then you get another one. It's like, okay, you got to fill out, you know, these. Oh, you know what I did yesterday? I finally filed my claim for that class action settlement with Blue Cross and Blue Shield. But the thing is that I realized this wasn't going back to my New Hampshire days. This would have applied to my, like, two-year stint at KCRW where I had Blue Shield. So I'm like, oh, what? Whatever this was, it was going to be maybe a two dollar payment I was going to get. Now it's going to be like 20 cents because it's like whatever the payment is, it was something that affected me for a very small period of time. But they wanted like 20 cents worth. Yeah. How much how much work did I put into this? I'm just now I'm just curious to see if I get anything. But because I still don't know, like, what would a payout possibly be? But they wanted to know my actual account number from that time and then, like, the group number that KCRW would have had for it. So I even took the time to, like, send a couple of emails to people that used to work there in the HR department to see if I would get bounce backs, if they're still there. Because it's been a while. And then I even left a voicemail somewhere saying, hey, if somebody from the HR department can give me a call back. I did not hear back. So finally, I just submitted the paperwork without that critical information. I figured maybe they can circle back around and I can give it to them later if it actually is necessary. But all of that is to say, I know those sometimes for me, it's not that I woke up early and took a jog, but it might be if I woke up earlier than I wanted to, but then can't fall back asleep. You're like, well, I could sit here and toss and turn for the next hour or two, or I could just get up right now and be productive and get some of this stuff done and then my brain will be totally awake by the time tbtl starts which often does work out in the short term but man does it hit me like a ton of bricks about midday so watch out for that midday slump my ability to toss and

turn in bed and just knock out of bed is pretty intense yeah like i don't understand that you i hear people talking about well i couldn't sleep so i was i'm also very lucky that i'm not somebody who has suffered from insomnia and I know that that's just absolutely debilitating I feel so bad for for folks that have that deal with that um but so that's maybe just like a level of not being able to go to sleep that that's lost on me because I have been lucky enough to not have it but like people like yeah I couldn't sleep so I was just up at three in the morning um you know just uh organizing my sock drawer like I'm the kind of person that will just lie in bed and do nothing instead of getting up and doing something if it's, you know, far too early for me. But because I think, again, I think it's just because I just don't know what that kind of insomnia is like, that kind of just this is maddening and I have to start doing something else because lying here is actually worse kind of feeling.

It's very rare for me. I should say that, too, because when you talk about like real insomnia, like what people actually suffer from, like that's like a that's like one of those things that I think about as just being a kind of a nightmare situation based on people's descriptions of it. like it really does sound like a hellscape like all day long all you want to do is sleep but then when it's time to sleep you can't sleep like that that sounds like something that was like made up for the twilight zone so it is i i have to i have to say that it's pretty rare that i'm in that mode but every now and then if i am you know if i wake up and i'm tossing and turning and i look at the clock i mean if i can do that if i can get myself out of bed or if i get up to use the restroom and just say don't go back to bed stay up go and take a right into your office stay in line

if you have hsa stuff to change stay in line right so anyway um yeah i i dig that i'm glad you got all that stuff done um i'm glad i had a good morning because i had a bad afternoon yesterday andrew because i suffered through one of the great frustrations of modern life which is i cracked my cell phone oh damn it yeah went to get my hair cut and i uh put i took my jacket off I really, I mean, you know, we're able to put a William Shatner into almost space. How do we not have a better system for hair not going down our necks when we're getting our hair cut? Like, I am very, very, very uncomfortable when I get little hairs down the back of my shirt. And so when I'm getting my hair cut, I always ask the person, could you please just, like, tie this thing as tightly as you can? Like, you know, I'll be fine. I'll make it through. But I would rather that, I'd rather be slightly asphyxiated than have hair down the back of my shirt for the rest of the day. Again, I guess there has to be a scientific solution to this more than just the smock. But anyway, I went in and I took my jacket off because I figured the jacket's also going to make it worse with this whole smock situation. and i put the jacket on the empty barber chair next to the one i was sitting in and i put my my phone was in the pocket of my jacket but it was just kind of loosely in there and as i was walking out i had my jacket in my hand i had signed the thing talked to the very nice people who helped me with my hair and then as i took two steps towards the door just that terrible sensation of phone fell out and it landed face down and you just have that it's like time stand still because you're about to find out if your life has gotten better. significantly worse or not and everybody in the store stopped because it made a sound it was like a it's kind of a tile floor in this barber shop and it was just like everyone was waiting and then i turned it over and the corner the bottom right corner was just mashed and i was like oh shit and i was like i mean i have to say it's not the worst that it could be because it is it's it's not in the middle of the screen it's it's you know it's down like i said bottom right quadrant so it's not it's not uh you know it's not necessary to looking at the screen it's not interrupting what i'm going to see on the screen but it's just you know that feeling of like now i have this imperfect broken thing that i use like you know for 12 hours a day to do various things um so i don't know if i'm going to take it in and get it fixed or just try to ride it out and see how long it can go with just the corner kind of messed up?

I will say, by the way, I want to come back to something you were talking about, the barbershop, in a moment. Let's try to remember that. It's good. It's something I've been thinking about a lot. Making a note. Okay, good. Thank you. The note says, Andrew thought of something good. I know. I was going to say, how much did I set myself up for that? It's not that good. Everybody just relax. Lower your expectations. It's just an Andrew observation. But the cell phone thing, It's amazing how even a brain like mine that really likes things to be in order and in their place, like the idea of a broken phone screen really makes my brain itch, right? I hate it. And luckily, I did not have that happen to me for a very long time. I could be wrong. We've talked about this on the show. It's my understanding that it happens to Androids less often, or at least maybe that used to be the case. I feel like there was a time when all of my friends with iPhones had, like, kind of cracked screens, and the Android stood up better, but the iPhones were easier and cheaper to fix, whereas if you did eventually break your Android, you were kind of in it, like, financially, like, you had to think about just getting a new phone. um but sometime in the past couple of years i'm sure we did talk about it on the show i did end up cracking my screen and i thought i have to get this fixed now like i cannot i just like i would look at people operating with their cracked screen iphones for months on end i mean our buddy tune

did i i feel like i'm thinking she pushed it so far right okay i'm not making that developed calluses right said because of how much she would cut herself on the phone but eventually her fingers adapted yeah the phone yeah her physical body which is really what i think a lot of electronics

makers want they want us to adapt to their stuff but um i thought i could never be that person like the second i got a tiny crack in there and then it started to to web out i'm like i gotta get this fixed immediately but then if you don't get it fixed by day two or day three it is amazing how your brain starts just filling in the gaps and how you just eventually when i did get it fixed or get a new phone it was nice but it's amazing how quickly i was able to adapt even my um my brain that really hates uh messes was able to adapt to a cracked screen i'd like to take a picture of this for you andrew but it's on the thing i take pictures with you don't have another

camera not here maybe somewhere in bellingham um but uh it's i i want to take a picture because it's in the it's very contained it's almost it might be so contained that i can actually like you know like get away with doing this for a while like i don't know how long i can go but i'm gonna i'm gonna see if it starts to present a problem i'll go in and get it fixed what i'm trying to not do though is go get a new phone because i know how i am if i go to the if i go to the kiosk in the mall where they'll give you a new screen for you know 20 bucks that's what i should do Because if I go into the Apple store or the Verizon store and say, how do I fix this? And then they say, well, sir, you're only three months away from an upgrade. But for an extra $50, we'll just move you right up there. And then suddenly I have some other super expensive phone that I'm paying God knows what on. Because, I mean, I'm the biggest sucker for that kind of financial chicanery where they're like, it's free. except it's actually we billed in $40 a month extra over the course of nine years at whatever the APR is.

Yeah, well, like we heard at the top of the show. Well, you want the Everything Plus plan. Oh, I see. Well, it's just a one-time fee you pay every year.

In that you pay it once every year, of course. Hey, do you want to know something that's slightly – I wouldn't go so far as to say eerie, although we are in spooking season, Andrew. It's quite coincidental, though. Do you know how yesterday on this show, apropos of not very much, we had a very long conversation about the film Training Day? Didn't know you like to get wet.

I thought I was Didn't know you like to get not wet

That's a great show title by the way

I loved the show title that you put on For the show Oh not dry that's it I keep messing it up when I try to say it

That was so good Do you know that yesterday was the 20th Anniversary of the release of the film No I had no idea Did somebody hear it and point that out To you or did you happen to see it online No I just saw it on Twitter yesterday And the other thing that's funny is we had a long talk About if didn't know you like to get wet though is a famous saying from training day and what i forgot to mention was training day actually has an iconic line that people say all the time which is king kong ain't got nothing on me which is a thing that denzel washington's character says which is much

more iconic than didn't know you like to get wet though yeah although i gotta say i um i don't even know if i know that king kong line whereas i definitely it was the thing that was in the

trailers yeah the kind of you know it was it was this very uh easy to grasp kind of um example of how kind of uh tough and over the top denzel washington's character is sure and and so of course that's you know what i mean it's like somebody better get these mfing snakes off this mfing plane kind of level of of of dialogue whereas didn't know you like to get wet though it's just them driving somewhere and i think it's a reference to it it's a drug thing it has to do with dipping some kind of a drug that you smoke in a drug that is wet. By the way, welcome to my D.A.R.E. presentation. Just say no to dipping some kind of drug that you smoke into some kind of drug that is wet.

I know. D.A.R.E. really did teach me a lot about drugs. I want to just change it.

That's a weird coincidence, though, right? That is a very weird coincidence. I feel like you don't believe in a God, Luke. Well, I was going to say that to you, but then I forgot.

Too easy.

Oh, we do have a drop for that, though. Finally, I looked it up, and it's...

It's me, Mario! Oh, perfect. Let me say my one thing about barbers really quickly, just to check the box. It's not really a story, but I... I was about to say I like going to the barber. I don't know if I do. I always put off getting my hair cut, but once I'm there, I really do enjoy talking with the barbers, if they're interested in talking. I never force the issue, but if they're chatty, I usually ask them about their work, And one thing that I've learned in the past couple of years is, holy hell, that's a really physically hard job, which, I mean, I guess is obvious. But, you know, as those of us who don't, you're standing all day. If you're somewhat short, you're reaching your hands over your head. It's hard. It's physically demanding in so many ways, not to mention that if you do have somebody that you have to maintain a conversation with that you don't want to maintain a conversation with, it's just a demanding job. But one thing that I never thought of and never would have thought of was hair splinters. Do you know anybody? Do you have friends or family members who do this for a living, Luke? Because hair splinters sound like hell splinters. Andrew, I don't want to splint hairs here. But I guess when you're cutting hair all day, no matter how you were saying, like, you want the barber to, like, cinch that band around your neck as tight as possible so that the hair can't get in. they are dealing with that on a just you know a daily basis there's no way to protect yourself from hair splinters i remember the first guy who was telling me about it was saying that like he could wear you know two pairs of socks and a pair of tennis shoes to work but that little hairs throughout the day just continue to work their way through all clothing and shoes and everything and by the end of the day you just have splinters i mean the feet sound like the worst but you just It's like it's just part of the job is hair splinters. Now when I get my hair cut, if the conversation ever turns in that direction, I always ask the barber, like, so what's up with hair splinters? Because it just sounds like a torture thing that, like, nobody's talking about hair splinters.

And it's somebody else's hair. Yes. You've got cute hair. I'm going to say, damn, girl, you've got some cute hair. Like, it'd be one thing if you have an ingrown hair that your own body created. Yeah. But a hair splinter where you have some hair stuck under your skin and it's from a random podcaster, that sounds truly awful. We don't need to keep going with the – now that I know about hair splinters, I withdraw any complaints I have about my experience in the world of getting my hair cut. But part of the problem – so what happened two times ago? I actually got the same person, by coincidence, two times in a row at this place, Bishops, which, by the way, was bought by Rudy's. They're all going to be Rudy's now here in Portland.

Oh, they're actually going to change it over. It's not just going to be like, oh.

No, they're going to call them Rudy's, I guess. But so last time I went in, I have this cashmere sweater from Everlane that I love. I don't think Everlane sponsors the show anymore, but I'm not going to lie to you. This sweater is one of my favorite things. It's very comfy. It goes like $100. I love it. And I had just – I don't wash it a lot because, you know, it's a sweater. It's kind of weird. So I'll wash it in cold water.

water and like kind of leave it out to dry and that's what i was wearing when i got my haircut and that was this two times ago and i said can you um you know tie the thing pretty tight and she did she was trying to be really careful about it but what i realized is the back of those things don't the smock that you're wearing the back of it doesn't other than the neck part there's no like they don't snap in the middle of your back and then at the lower part of your back it's just open and when i got home my sweater that i had literally just washed had all of the hair that have been cut off of my head just adorning the back of it like it was like you know which was probably why to the last time I went in I was being so paranoid and I was asking again and I was putting my stuff in the other chair and then my phone got broken I'm just saying we need to improve that smock technology like just I'm talking about just the back of it needs to be

that needs to cinch up or something I'm wondering I mean do you want to do lawsuits on parallel tracks here one for the phone and one for the hair or do we just take more efficient to just

kind of bundle them i mean honestly what it is is well we've got we've got a failure of the equipment of the smock we've also unfortunately for my friend orlando we've got a um kind of a you know workplace error on her part because she didn't cinch that up two times ago which caused me to behave the way i did this most recent time uh which ultimately led to the phone it is true

they are related in that way like if you weren't causal yeah yep yep yep so okay well i'll talk to danny in new hampshire are we still suing her do you know assuming that our shit is all straightened out with our lawyer then we'll see if she can push this through okay good why don't you work

on that during the break will do um let's take that break a real quick here and then we'll come back and we will do these top stories plus emails and v-mails coming up here on tbtl hey let's thank some donors of the day these are the just absolutely wonderful people who are making tbtl possible on this wednesday with their donations each month wonderful people like farron sheer i know her in san diego california yeah farron was uh at our oceanside show that's right we're from lisa's place as we were um driving the delica around so really that was the high point for the old delica little little did we know as we launched out of oceanside and headed towards arizona that things would get sketchy somewhere in the desert now i'm trying to wonder if we can

sue farin for whatever happened to the van because the van was fine before we rolled up

yeah that's actually a very good point um also we want to thank asia brundage moore in new york city asia i'm going to new york city andrew i should have told you this before the show none of it affects your life but i'm going to new york city in two three weeks i'm doing a profile If I can make it there I think I'll do fine I'm going to do a profile Of the actor Cal Penn Who has a book out And it's going to involve going to New York So that'll be exciting I haven't been to New York since the pandemic Oh yeah And then Jill Jackson is in Lakewood, Ohio When are you going to Lakewood, Ohio, Andrew? Lakewood, Ohio

I used to live in Lakewood, Ohio I don't have any kin in Lakewood anymore, but it's nearby. Love Lakewood.

Yeah. Jill, thank you so much for supporting the program. William Sonnenberg is in San Francisco, California. Thank you, William, for the donation. Amanda Triggs is in the Wool's. Cedro Woolley, Washington. I used to romp there. Just hang out with my former in-laws in the Wool's. Love that place. Craig Berenger is in Edmonds, Washington. I don't think I have any former in-laws in Edmonds, which puts it on a pretty short list, actually. Well, we have— Where I don't have any former in-laws.

Do you consider—what was that game we used to play? Not Rollerball. That was in Edmonds, right? The rink where we would dodge— What are they? Whirlyball. Whirlyball. Right, right, right.

I miss Whirlyball. You get in a go-kart, and you drive around, and then you throw, like, a ball using kind of this little plastic, I don't know what you'd call it.

It's like a lacrosse stick.

Yeah, or like what they would use in Hi-Li, but smaller. And you throw that into this basketball goal-like thing that's just a square, and it activates. It's the most bizarre-sounding game, except it's so fun. So much fun, and that's in Edmonds. Yeah, you know who was way too good at that, though, for my liking? It was Ben.

gibbard i remember that he was like dominating i was like bro come on let the rest of us yeah have something special about our life do you think he thinks about that do you think he thinks about me he's like whatever happened that guy i played whirly ball with he asks me about you all the time oh really good he wrote a song about it i say i haven't i haven't talked to that guy in years that's what you say about me oh nice yeah we just ran out of things to say No, I, no, no, no, I, oh, you mean that's how, that's why we stopped talking? I thought that's what you told Ben. When Ben asks about me, you say I haven't talked to that guy in years.

Yeah, that is what I say because, you know, you embarrassed yourself at Whirly Ball by only scoring seven goals when he was scoring like 25 goals. Anyway, Craig and Edmonds, thank you for the donation. Thanks to all of our donors of the day for making the show possible. We really do appreciate you. hello and welcome to top story well william shatner's going going into space um sort of am i being too um like particular when i keep calling it sort of space like i know that there is the scientific death definition of what space is the astronomical definition and i mean these people are going there they're leaving the atmosphere of earth to some degree but i think of space as being either you're on the moon or you're in the international space station like you're way out there i feel like these people are getting they're going up to what is technically space but it doesn't it doesn't feel like the space of my youth um uh it's been several days

now since i read this story but like he's his trip is gonna last how long is it it's under two hours right can we say that like so yeah so okay you can say you went up to space like whatever like fine do it um but it's sort of like saying if somebody says to you have you been to chicago and you're like yeah i've been to chicago but really you just had a layover in the airport

there oh that's the best analogy you've ever had up with it thank you that's absolutely the perfect analogy for this like they are technically in space but they just went to the panera bread and then picked up something at Nuts on Clark when they got back on the other plane and went on their way. Now, listen, I actually think the TV show Star Trek, the original, is a really good show. And I used to watch it when I was a kid. It was in syndication or reruns or whatever. And I used to always find it really entertaining. I don't think I need to tell our listeners that Star Trek is a cool show. But I could have never predicted. I don't know if anyone could ever predict the mileage this pompous a-hole was going to get out of playing James Tiberius Kirk for, what, two seasons? Three seasons? I mean, famously, one of the things about Star Trek is that it was sort of underappreciated in its time. It didn't really take off that well with viewers. It only had a few seasons. Again, it was a very well-written show. I think Gene Roddenberry was a genius And there was a lot of really interesting acting Performances on there I would argue William Shatner's Is not one of them but anyway Like for a guy who And I know they made movies too Star Trek movies and then there are the conventions And then there are the various other Ancillary things but considering This was like A sci-fi show that kind of Wasn't that popular in Its time and only had a couple of seasons the idea That 60 years later we'd be putting this guy in space over it just blows my mind and it really I mean listen

he's a he's a I guess he's not paying his own way right he is a guest so it is that connection I'm assuming yeah because I remember the article said that he's going up there with two other people who did pay their own way or something along those lines but it really is we have these feelings though because of whom he's proved himself to be and I kind of didn't realize that until this story with andrea seabrook a while back i didn't know that he had this people were laughing at us like or laughing at me like walsh you really didn't know that his whole reputation was that he's pompous and he punches down during interviews and he thinks he's better than everybody else like um uh i'm blanking on a for a long time kind of former friend of the show too um the the guy who played wesley crusher on tmg will wheaton you know like um in fact i think we i think when i was brand new on tbtl like brand new in the first like a couple of months I think we did a live thing with him at the Comic-Con. Yes, I remember that. And everybody loves him, right? Yeah, he is great. Some time ago, maybe it was after the Andrea Seabrook kind of blow up on Twitter, he retweeted this thing. He said, well, I guess it's time to kind of re-up this. And I can't remember if it was an excerpt from his book or something that didn't end up making it into one of his books. is the time he finally he was a you know a child actor he was maybe i don't know between 14 and 16 maybe even younger um when he finally got the nerve to go say hello to him um to captain kirk uh because like tng was filming something and star trek i'm sorry yeah the star trek original cast was maybe filming a movie and they happened to be the sets happened to be near each other or something like along those lines. And so he tells the story of kind of gearing up to go meet William Shatner, who's just like his absolute hero, you know? And he's, I'm sorry, I'm blanking on his name again because I'm all wrapped up. Will Wheaton? Will Wheaton is like wearing kind of like a goofy, he's wearing like whatever his cadet uniform is supposed to be. I know that's not the proper nomenclature Star Trek has, but he's wearing his uniform. But I guess he's also got a bit of like kind of like a tiny muscle suit underneath too because if part of his costume he's supposed to wear it but he's like really self-conscious about it you know he's just like Wil Wheaton is just so disarming and honest about everything

and how he's like you couldn't get somebody who's the opposite expression of how William Shatner is in the world

yes and he just like he just he kind of buttons himself all up he gathers himself and he gathers his his courage to go say hello and William Shatner just basically talks so far down to him and snubs him and makes some comment about I believe the original comment is something disparaging about the uniforms of TNG or something like that. And basically just like Wil Wheaton has to do everything to just not kind of start crying. And like everybody – apparently Roddenberry ended up kind of hearing about this somehow and, you know, did some things to make him feel a lot better. I can't remember what, but Roddenberry kind of swooped in and, you know, provided that kind of avuncular love that Wil Wheaton needed at the moment but would not ask for. But it's just like this guy, Shatner, is just an asshole. Like, again, I know that so many people know this, and it's comical that I'm learning it in 2021. But, like, if it was that same thing, like, is it George Takei or George Takei? I always say it incorrectly. I think it's Takei. Okay, so George Takei. We love him. And his fame sprouts from his time on Star Trek as well. And, of course, we all love him now because he is a sweet human being who fights the right fights. It's not that we want to say, hey, just because your moment in the spotlight was 40 years ago, 50 years ago, whatever it was, it only lasted a couple of seasons. You don't deserve deserve fame in 2021. The problem is Shatner's an asshole. No, you're totally right.

If they wanted to send LeVar Burton up, who was Geordi LaForge, I'd be like, yeah. If they want to send Will Wheaton up, if they want to send Takei up, if they wanted to send Jerry Ryan, seven of nine. anybody really I can think of Faith Saley was briefly on uh the next generation it's really you're right it's not about me trying to say you know the sun has set on your relevance because you were on a tv show for many years ago it's that this guy just keeps getting rewarded and I would say this too this might be my spiciest take I'll have this week I think Star Trek would have been just as successful or unsuccessful with a different person playing James T Kirk because I think what was great about star trek was the writing the sort of uh the the interesting moral questions that were raised the uh you know this idea of what would a kind of utope potentially utopian society look like where it was more inclusive uh potentially in terms of uh you know race and also even just like can we live with the aliens happily like i think it was a very interesting show from sort of a an intellectual or philosophical perspective and i i mean i think that we can't imagine star trek the original version without james t kirk kind of you know chewing the scenery and giving a very non-naturalistic delivery of things but i i would posit that if you put somebody else in there that show would still be popular and there would still be cons about it now i don't mean it would have like gotten more than two seasons i think it was probably before its time or whatever like it probably was still been canceled after two seasons and it still would have had a whole like long tail through the movies and comic cons and the like but i i don't think that that thing needed william shatner for it to be a success but he had his life was made from those two years or whatever was three years of doing that show because now he gets to go to

space it was three for whatever that's worth um yeah but uh yeah i mean who knows maybe with a different person in the lead role it would have um i i don't know enough about the history or the or the reception of star trek imagine james khan is james yeah right i mean it's the same show i

mean it's it's different but we don't know that different potentially better though like maybe it lasts longer yeah because like spock's performance let's talk about leonard nimoy like his performance is is great to me like it's very it's it's seemingly flat but of course he's a Vulcan. He's doing that on purpose. It was intriguing to me. Uhura was

great uh you know bones bones was a little over the top bones was had he and shatner were probably out at dan tana's having a few you know stiff ones every night but like so many of the people on that show were actually i thought they gave interesting compelling acting performances just william shatner wasn't one of them he was just being weird the whole time yeah and it's become shtick now and also canon but it's just so weird to me that that he's still getting rewarded all these years later when I feel like he did objectively a bad a bad job at the thing he was supposed to be good at which was acting and then the other thing he's supposed to be good at which is being a decent human he's done an even worse job yeah I feel like I'm I'm too far out

on a ledge here because people really you know live in the Star Trek universe and I know nothing about it but I almost feel like when when Shatner there was a time I feel like in the early 90s when pop culture treated Shatner the same way they treated Adam West. Like it was a campy throwback to a pretty bad performance. But, hey, we kind of own it and we go on SNL and we make fun of it. But then somehow, and I think it has to do with the property of Star Trek pushing through and continuing and appealing to more audiences through all of its different franchises and movies and even what was the latest franchise that was on CBS behind the paywall that was about Picard. I think it was just called Picard. I think that this entire franchise has so many different faces and offers so many different fans, different entry points, that it made us start treating Captain Kirk with more reverence than he would have deserved if it had just lived as the show that existed back in the late 1960s.

I think you're totally right. I hadn't thought of it that way.

All kinds of analogies today. You've got the airport thing.

Yeah. You're racking up the W's. Nice. The Walsh's. That's right. Wednesday is for Walsh W's.

Wednesday is for Walsh's? Could that be a show title?

Wednesday is for the Walsh's?

Wednesdays are for the Walsh's? Okay, that's the show title. That's our answer to Barstool Sports. Yes, exactly. Wednesdays is for the Walsh's.

Can we sell those during the next TV Teal-a-thon banners you put up that say Wednesdays are for the Walsh's? But no, you're absolutely right. I think there was a because when I was a kid, it was like, yeah, it was like William Shatner was a joke, like his bad performance, his toupee, his just like he was just kind of regarded as as a bit of a joke. I mean, they were still making those Star Trek movies and stuff, but it was like something about at some like I'm OK with William Shatner, I guess, being rich and famous. if we all agree he's bad at acting but the idea that like somehow because of just i don't know nostalgia and the amount of time that sort of went by and like you said andrew all of the other ways that star trek remains very big in the pop culture that that somehow now now we have to take william shatner seriously now we have to send him into space now we have to like we have to consider him to be a person of some gravitas it's just like god how did he pull that one yeah because He was like – I mean, no one – you're right. No one's doing that with Adam West.

And again, if everything is the same about these stories, every single thing historically is the same except William Shatner is a good person who makes people feel good around him, I don't – I'm happy for him. Yeah. You know? Yeah, you're absolutely right. It's just that he's a jerk.

You're – you're – when – you know what? When it's a Walsh W Wednesday, you're rarely wrong. I'll also mention that Adam West passed away in 2017. Yes. So don't fine me for – actually, no. The fine is if I declare someone to be passed away who hasn't passed away. If you kill them too early, yeah. Controversy has struck Fat Bear Week once again. This is the – I don't know how long it's been going on. I did look this up.

It looks like it started as Fat Bear Tuesday back in 2014 and then kind of expanded from there. I see it expanded.

Yeah. Sure, because it was so popular. This is basically this like kind of like live feed that this nature preserve and a couple of different entities sort of put together now every year with the goal of, of course, sort of drawing attention to the beauty of the Alaskan wilderness and also the natural beauty and talking about conservation of land and and taking care of the wildlife that lives out there. um what uh people go on this live cam about this time of year and watch these brown bears uh that are at the uh katmai national park and preserve and this is put together by the katmai katmai conservancy anyway they go and they watch these bears because the bears are coming out of hibernation and uh they're super duper hungry and they're also trying to get really fat uh so that when they go into the next. hibernation they have some fuel in there and the competition is to vote for your favorite well that's that's part of the question are they voting for the fattest bear are they voting for their voting for their favorite bear that happens to get fat uh you've got 480 otis okay who's sort of the crowd favorite and then you've got 151 walker i believe now 151 walker is a younger bear who was noticeably fatter i think than any of the other bears and this is where the controversy kind of started because people love 480 otis because 480 otis is old 480 otis is missing uh his canine teeth he came out of hibernation late this year and was kind of skinny and not doing well and yet he managed to just kind of lumber his way through it eat enough salmon to get really really fat that's one let you know what you're hearing in the background is i have the um fat bear cam up right now oh nice are there still bears out there being fat yep and now i didn't realize

that the cam moves i don't know if it's on an automated schedule it must be because it's not a human out there 24 7 but the the cam moves and kind of pans around about like once every um 15

to 20 seconds so 480 otis won his fourth fat bear title he vanquished 151 walker a younger bear who has impressive size but lacks the do you believe in miracles comeback story of 480 otis the older bear believed to be around 25 emerged from hibernation a bit late this year looking thin facing health problems. Like I mentioned, he's missing two canine teeth. Many of his other teeth are greatly worn. He's also competing with younger and larger bears who want access to fishing spots. Somebody online said that this was like giving the award to some old man who's in a nursing home just because. People are legitimately mad. I mean, some people are legitimately happy about 480 Otis winning, but some people are legitimately mad because they feel like he's not the fattest bear therefore he shouldn't win fat bear week well

you know i don't know enough about this i could see it through two different lenses i mean you see it through the lens of just like another old man standing in the way of success for younger people who are not getting the recognition or younger bears i should say who are not getting the recognition or maybe the opportunities they deserve or you could look at it as in there are not many fat bear we there is there are fewer fat bear weeks left for old otis and so that's right let's you know celebrate otis's life and honor him once again i think it's more interesting if

you give it to otis because again i'm a sucker for a good a good backstory a good like the olympics when they show you all the things that the people overcame to get there also i love this sound effect i mean i know it's not a sound effect it's just what's happening right now at cat my but honestly if we played this during the show i feel like we'd get a lot more downloads also i would go to sleep at some yeah that'd be the problem then i have to switch over

to the luke's neighborhood sound effects page which has a lot of sirens and whatnot i'm moving

by the way you told me off air yeah do you want to talk about it well clearly you do well i'm i've waited to 54 minutes into the show to get to this now i am moving to a different apartment that is not um perched above a street where thousands of ambulances drive past every day i'm not moving that far from this place uh and um it's not in the building because when you first told me the other

day hey i am gonna end up moving my initial reaction was oh you did find a place within

the same building no you know i i basically this building has the kind of apartment that i'm in right now uh which is um which works great for me but the if i want to stay in this apartment my rent is going to go up which is hilarious because this place i'm moving to gave me 12 weeks of free rent there's a very strange relationship with our listeners that live in apartments particularly big apartment buildings where you're on like a yearly lease or whatever um can identify with this if you're in one of these giant apartment complexes they're constantly trying to get new people to move into the apartment they're trying to entice them with all kinds of things so there are all of these big apartment buildings have these huge signs on the side that say now leasing and they have the phone number and if you like you know call them up out of the blue and say i'd like to live there they just can't do enough for you but if you live in the building you're like old otis 408 you're just like 480 i was close um like they they basically told me we'll give you a teeny tiny break but we're also going to raise your rent oh and the parking is doubling and what they know is that most people are objects at rest tend to stay at rest and no one likes to move and believe me uh believe you me that is i was doing the math it's like how much am i willing to pay a month

to just not have to move but uh it turns out there is a number and uh i was able to get that number at this other place that i'm going to uh which is still a perfectly nice building but it's a different scene andrew i went over there to measure some things yesterday and when i say it's a different scene it's in a neighborhood it's in a it's in a kind of in the hollywood neighborhood of of portland the i'm not going to be in the you know you know hundreds of feet in the sky i'm going to be like in a much more kind of uh you know i'm trying to be non-specific because i'm trying to cut down on the number of people showing up at the places i live so i'm not being super specific about exactly where it is and i'm also being super specific about exactly the floor i live on but i'm much closer to terra firma so i'm on a much i will be on a much quieter street but i'll be closer to that quieter street so that's we'll see how that all works out on the sound like i'll be on a street that should have very limited ambulance traffic but i don't know one like um fedex truck idling could now be much more audible because i'm uh you know 100 feet off the street instead of 2100 feet off the street so uh we shall see but um yeah i'm going to be moving in a few weeks and hopefully it will hopefully it will um uh it will help the audio quality of the show a little bit it also is going to save me some money which is always nice um and uh and and yeah i i will tell you though i was completely resolute in this decision again it was like way way more affordable of a place to go live and also i thought it'll be quieter i'm intrigued by this neighborhood i'm going to be in um but then last night i was uh watching my dateline nbc and i was eating some food and i was just looking out the windows of this place which at night are very nice because everything's twinkling and you can see kind of a lot of buildings and things and i was like i'm gonna miss that and then i suddenly was filled with regret and like can i call the place i'm moving and retract my i was like no this is what happens in life burbs you trade things off some things will be better about this new situation some things will be not as great and that's okay like i am so weird in that i literally had a feeling last night that like if i can't look out on these twinkly lights in exactly this way when i want to then life has no meaning and then i realized no what i can do is just uh live in this other apartment and then uh do that for a while and then see how that goes you know what i mean

like i just am so weird about stuff like that well when you do have certain things i mean moving i think is hard emotionally um even under the best of times you know you that that's part of the process as you look around you and you say oh i'm gonna miss this uh goodbye washer and dryer combined unit you know even if you're moving into something um better you can be like oh that's where the kitten used to hide all the time or i don't know whatever like i'm a very very sentimental person as genevieve says nostalgia is my favorite drug um so like maybe i i do that more but yeah there's always a there's always a sense of leaving and i think that's natural how are you describe what your studio situation is going to be like and then well that's the funny thing i

I think these buildings were built by the same company. I can see that. Like, I mean, they're different style. This one's really tall, and the one that I'm moving to is not nearly as tall. It's pretty squat. But I was looking around. I was standing in what is going to be the studio, and I looked, and I was like, I bet you if I just moved over the course of a weekend and just set everything up, I don't know if you would even notice. From the angle of your camera, yeah. Well, it's just the same room but reversed in terms of where the closet is. But, I mean, it's, like, the same building material. They both have concrete. It's all poured concrete, which is very in style these days, but also very quiet, which I'm happy about. I mean, it's almost the same apartment. I mean, it's a different layout, but it's, like, I was looking up at the ceilings, and the same thing. The ceilings are this kind of, like, it's poured concrete that then they just took the forms off, and then they just left it that way so that you've got kind of, like, very—it's very kind of rough and unfinished looking, but that's, like, a look. They're doing it intentionally, you know what I mean? so it's got that as well i mean it's it's very very similar to this one but a lot cheaper and hopefully a lot quieter but i guess we'll find that out together all of us uh when i move in a

few weeks do you not have those holes in the wall anymore they used to put wine so you could hang

things because that was part of the elevator shaft yes i'm not abutting an elevator shaft i'm also wondering you know uh i'm on a really high floor here and this building always has problems with the elevator and when one elevator goes down because there's so many people that live in it and there's so many floors that it's just like it adds you know five minutes here and five minutes there it's like it really adds up i'm wondering if i will get like 10 hours of my life back not living on a super high floor and a high rise with spotty elevators just being that i could i'm gonna be at a floor that i could just walk down if i needed to to the lobby We'll be right back.

Since we've sat here, the Cat and My Conservancy got $2,000 towards its $10,000 goal, by the way.

They have a little thermometer on their website. Good for them. That's a worthy cause.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. Oh, man, it's not from a female.

All right, emails or v-mails. Yeah, you know what? I meant to tell you about this before the show. If you have time for this, Luke, I have a full three-minute poem submitted by a listener with its own holiday sound effects. Because as you know, we are in a holiday right now, a holiday known as Trucktober, the sixth day of Trucktober. And our dear friend Dave, Dave B., he sent in a Trucktober poem that he would like to share with us. So, everybody, Luke, I think we can go ahead and lose the Doogie music. This will provide its own ambi. Take a listen to this.

T'was the month of Trucktober and all through the Bay City. Not a creature was stirring, not even gritty. The air dancers were placed on the corners with care in hopes that the bones soon would be there. My pumpkin spice was nestled snug in its holder while visions of sales events marched in like soldiers With hopes of big purchases and deals in a snap I'd dreamed of car lots all over the map When on my television a man caused such a clatter I dropped my auto trader to see what was the matter To the car lots he cried with shouted with flash We've got easy financing in 90 days same as cash The prices on the window as bright as new fall and snow I'd never seen them quite so low When what to my wondering eyes should appear but acres and acres of F-150s and Nissan frontiers. A loud-coated salesman came on with his shtick. I'm not kidding, he was laying it on thick. More skeevy than weasels, his promises they came. And honestly, how many times can this guy say my name? A Tahoe, a Ridgeline, a Sierra, a Tacoma, a Raider, a Titan, a Ranger. You look like a man who drives a Dakota. From the back of the lot to the front of the auto mall, we have trucks, trucks, trucks, and we want to sell them all. With coffee and donuts, I was steadily plied while the dealer pandered and continued his lies. When I spied on the lot, a lonely F-250 super duty with extended cab and bed liner, she was really a beauty. I let out a gasp and slowly turned around, and the salesman smiled because he knew his sucker was found. He slapped down his hand on the hood and said I knew when I met you that your taste was good With a bundle of extras, this truck is a steal Let's head to my office and see if we can make a deal His eyes, how they twinkled His lips, how they smirked He frowned at my finance and said I guess we can make this work With a swaggering strut, he walked towards the back While out in the bay, they put my truck on the rack When he returned, he wore a tiny frown and said, It looks like you'll need to put some more money down. You love this truck and we want you to get it, but when we checked, you've got sh**ty credit. With a tear in his eye and a tilt of his head, he said that our deal just might be dead. But there was one more thing that maybe would work, but don't get your hopes up because my manager's a jerk. Laying a finger to the side of his nose He changed some numbers And my monthly payments rose And when it was done My financing went through But I just can't shake the feeling That I might have been screwed Because I heard him exclaim As I drove away in my truck Never buy in trucktober Because you're surely getting f***ed

Trucks, trucks then, trucktober

That was truly incredible A lot of work went into that More work than I've done lately I have to tell you that was just Creativity at it's finest Thank you Dave for sending that in I'm also not ready for the Christmas The sort of Christmas vibes Like the night Before Christmas vibes And the Silent Night playing in the back I mean really great production by the way Dave If you're ever looking for a job We could put a word in for you at 8pm uh if we still work there uh but but like uh that that also just put me in a real christmasy mood which i'm not ready to get into yet you know what i mean yeah you know i was thinking a little bit

about that recently because i'm not somebody who really gets too bent out of shape about whether or not people want to start celebrating the how any of the holidays early like because i don't really i don't

get super worked up about any kind of holidays so people getting worked up about it like everybody just do your own thing yeah um i don't know if i've always been like that i'm sure at times i've been like oh a little early for who walked into walked in the market basket and saw you know holiday holiday sales and it's not even uh halloween yet i'm sure i've said that in my lifetime i don't care now but i do think that maybe the pandemic has given especially last year but then also you know what's been going on the past two years is going to i think affect our habits for a long time um i i remember people getting their trees and decorations way earlier last year at least it seemed like on a mass scale than usual because well we were much more i mean we were totally locked down still last year and um people were like screw it like we're at home like let's just get in like nobody's judging me if i get a christmas tree before halloween let's just do this yeah and i wonder if some of that is gonna hold over to this year and also just beyond like not being like judgy about like there is a corporate side of it too right like when you walk into the store and they're already trying to sell you santa clauses that's what they try to sell around christmas time right santa clauses just like santa clauses yeah just try to sell you santa claus mommy the santa claus followed me home can we keep it um but uh you know what i mean like i do understand that there's a crassness there but as far as consumers just wanting to get into the season early whatever that looks like for you like whatever i understand you though luke like you just went on your first cold weather yawg as you like to say not quite ready for silent night

yet well i think i'm with you everybody should get to celebrate whatever holiday they want whenever or start as early as you want like yeah not like being mad that they're selling you know christmas stuff in uh september is as we like to say on the show not a personality but for me it's just like what i what i and this is day i'm so love what dave made and i'm not this is none of this is a criticism of that. I'm just observing that for me, what I think I really like about Christmas is that it's contained. You know, what makes me so excited about it is that it happens after Thanksgiving and then it's over, you know, the afternoon of the 25th and extending it out for me, it's, I don't know, it's like, it is kind of a big emo thing for me. I've been thinking about this year because, you know, I'm living down here now, you know, and like, what's that going to look like for Christmas? You know, I'll probably do something with Addy, maybe do something with my family, But so much of my Christmas tradition is tied up in where I'm living, maybe who I'm in a relationship with, what those traditions are like. There's a lot that goes into it. So maybe that's part of it, too, kind of low-key. Somewhere in the back of my mind is like, well, I haven't really figured out how I'm going to feel about Christmas this year. Hopefully somebody will sometime write a song about being sad at Christmas. Yeah, maybe somebody will write that at some point.

Seems wrong, though. So I am also not somebody who usually, while I talk about getting older a lot on this show because it is something that, you know, well, I mean, we're all experiencing getting older. But you and I are at a time of life where we're starting to see the aging process, like, kind of quicken on us. And there is some interesting things to observe about that. But as far as, like, the numbers that go along with age, I like to think that I'm the type of person who doesn't get, like, super, like, in my head about, oh, I'm turning 40 or those big benchmarks. But I will say my birthday is around Thanksgiving, and I just realized or, like, really just realized, like, kind of yesterday that I am turning 45. Like, were we even talking about this on the show this week? I can't recall. At some point, I was having a conversation with somebody where I couldn't remember if I was turning 44 or 45, and then I asked Genevieve. Instead of doing math, I just asked Genevieve. She's like, yeah, no, you're turning 45. I was like, oh, wow, yeah, no. And somehow that numbered. I know that you've lived through this. you're about a year into your you're not quite a year into being 45 like wow that is a big number

that is no longer early 40s that is that's a big number really different than 44 it really does it seems way closer to 50 than 44 i think it's the fives i think people will attest you know even 25 which of course now it's hilarious that when i was 25 i was like wow i'm pushing 30 but yeah like there's something about that five when you hit that the 25 35 45 i assume it just keeps going that way yeah let's see that 40 45 for me is the most like it's it hit exponentially harder really in terms of well you were also going through some shit though this was just this year i i when i say hit harder i guess i just mean i mean weirdly i'm actually in pretty good health these days other than the occasional extra heartbeat but i consider that to be just bonus content um so it's like you know being 45 is also all of my crazy all my crazy things to try to hold on to my hair kind of worked to the degree that everybody else my age is now kind of getting their hair is getting thinner and mine is just kind of in the state it's been in for the last 10 years Thank you.

So it's like there are certain ways in which I should be happy. 45 is treating me okay. I'm kind of like – it's not that I'm – I mean, believe me, I never like my physical appearance. But it's not even that I think, oh, my God, I look so much worse at 45 than I did at 44. But every time I just say out loud, well, I'm 45 for whatever reason, that's when my brain reminds me, bro, you are 45. Like my brain wasn't doing that at 44. I guess that's why it's hitting me hard. It's just when I say that out loud or I think it or I put it on a form or the doctor tells me I tell all my 45-year-old guys, it's just like, wow, okay, that just feels different to me than 44 did.

Yes, absolutely. I mean 45, and I think that also I have a tendency to round up with these things. So once I say 45, the moment I turn 45, I'm going to start thinking, well, I'm basically 50, which is not – like I don't think – I've been doing that. When I turned 40, I didn't automatically think, oh, I'm basically 45. That doesn't make any sense, right? But when you turn 45, you just start rounding up. One of the reasons, possibly, why it seems like time is speeding by.

I can't believe that people have been listening to us for all these years just document the very predictable aging process of a human being on planet Earth. But they do, and we are appreciative of it. So, all right, we're going to call it here for today's show, Frendos. But the good news is we'll be back here tomorrow with more updates on how we're aging. Because we'll be one day older tomorrow than we are today. Any thoughts on a song? I just started sneaking this up because I was thinking about time. Yeah, man. Well, Cindy Lauper. All right, thanks for listening, everyone. We'll be back here tomorrow with more Imaginary Radio. We'll see you then. Until then, have a great Wednesday. Be safe, take care of yourselves, and please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

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