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He who questions training only trains himself at asking questions. What? Patience, my son. To summon your power for the conflict to come, you must first have power over that which conflicts you.

Okay, am I the only one who finds these sayings just a little bit formulaic? If you want to push something down, you have to pull it up. If you want to go left, you have to go right. Your temper is very quick, my friend.

But until you learn to master your rage... Your rage will become your master?

That's what you were going to say, right? Right?

Not necessarily.

TBTL!

For our viewing pleasure, I packed Terms of E. Oh, love it. Then we're going to bring it up with a little fried greens to the T. And then Hope floats with Sandy B. Yes. Does somebody die in that one? They die in all of them. Good.

This need you have to be the smartest guy in the room is off-putting.

Hey, you sound like you might be a little bit jealous, babe. You know, and I know a little something about being jealous because people have been jealous of me my entire life.

I know these guys are annoying, but that's all I got.

I'm doing the work. I'm baby stepping. I'm not a slacker. So come on over. Take a ride in my hot air balloon. It'll take you wherever you want to go. I promise.

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to the Wednesday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Why now? What are they doing? And how can you steer clear of it all? My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host.

I'm a professional. Look it up in the book.

Coming to you from the Nest Broadcast Center high in the sky above Portland, Oregon, where I'm about 200 feet in the air and there's a hummingbird that's just hovering right in front of my face, mean mugging me through the window. I mean, can a hummingbird mean mug? I feel like, I can't imagine a hummingbird having any kind of malice in their tiny, fast-beating hummingbird heart. There's a hummingbird staring at me. There's a guy on TikTok. I think his handle is like Hum Daddy or something. and all he does is build elaborate like hats to wear and even like masks but what they are made up of are hummingbird feeders and he just sits there all day waiting for hummingbirds to come and land on him and feed from these feeders and i basically know what the third act of my life looks like now when this whole podcasting thing has run its course which we all assume will be soon you'll find me sitting out somewhere wearing a hummingbird feeder on my head trying to commune with nature. It's a beautiful... Well, that's not quite true. The sun is trying to break through here in Portland, but it has also been raining quite a bit this morning.

Didn't know you like to get wet, though.

When I'm out there communing with hummingbirds, I'll have to make sure I'm sitting underneath some kind of overhang so I don't get wet. It's episode 3531 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. Oh, we have an update. Can you verify Can you give me some 411? On what was going on in that moment that photo was taken of Mick Jagger in that little sort of dive bar in North Carolina. Okay, let's do it. Got some context for that, which we'll share with you. And then also we will tell you about the worst video game ever made.

This is so boring and forever taking.

which apparently led my friend Andrew to playing the second worst video game ever made for a considerable amount of time last night, which we're going to talk about as well. Oh, speaking of Andrew, the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships, the inaugural game by the Seattle Kraken last night, which they didn't win, but still, it's got him in a really almost kind of weirdly nationalistic hockey mood.

I'm sick and tired hearing about what a great hockey team the Soviets have. Screw them!

He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my friend. I was so young when I gave that speech last night.

You can hear it in my voice. God, what happened to you overnight? My voice changed. You know, I am loathe to kind of jump on the trend or even be late to the trend of, like, reentering society after living through a pandemic, humorous observations. Right. Like, I don't even know how to make small talk anymore. Do you hear that? Exactly. I have my, um, I don't know how to make small talk. Is there a piano happening? I thought that was you. I had the tab open. I was checking the voicemail line.

before the show, and somebody was just calling the voicemail line, and I just hung up on them. I would pick up. Could we have taken that call? No. Would they be able to hear me? I would love. No, they wouldn't have heard you. I want to make that happen. Can one of our six bosses fix this for us? I want to make that happen. I'm going to make that a priority. I'm making that a priority. I'm going to talk to Eric. It'll probably mean more expensive equipment just shipped to my house that I'll just end up selling on the black market.

Why don't we work for this major media? You know that I worked with a guy who actually got fired for that at KVI? Oh, no.

I thought you were going to say NPR for some reason.

No, he was stealing. Kamero Kev worked with him, too, for a while. He was stealing audio equipment from the radio station, but then selling it on eBay. And the way they caught him was some of the engineers at the radio station noticed, gosh, we're missing a lot of equipment. And then they just went looking for it on eBay, and they found it. And then they just traced it back to the person selling it. And they were like, oh, Kelly.

These are the reasons we have all these, like, annoying rules and have to jump through so many hoops just to, you know, like, borrow a quarter-inch cable. But on the other hand, I'd be lying if I told you I don't have a pair of Sony headphones with NPR scratched in the side. Etched into them. But I will say I did not steal those. Those were given to – I never worked for NPR. By an ex of mine. That's right. If we're going to be getting specific. And it wasn't Carrie. If we're going to be getting specific.

um okay can you believe that story of somebody selling equipment on the black market from a

radio station i worked at didn't involve me being the person you i know anything go missing from i left under a cloud i left kvi under a cloud of suspicion uh-huh i haven't there's an engineer at kow i'm gonna call see if he knows anything um about missing of clouds of suspicion here's what i was going to say and it's not even worth it at this point but just to complete the thought But, you know, I follow a lot of like New Yorker cartoonists on Instagram and like I just feel like for the past several months, a big theme has been kind of like, you know, these droll observations about people not ready to leave their house after, you know, being quarantined for so long and how hard it's going to be to socialize and what have you. So it's been said. The story's been told. But I will say I just had a little – now, I'm not a slovenly guy, but I'm definitely a – how would you describe my appearance? Wait, that's delicate ground for you, Luke. Let me get to the word. Casual, but not overly so.

But listen –

Frumpy, by the way. Frumpy is the word I was looking for.

Maybe frumpy only because – and you've said this about yourself, that you tend to buy clothes and wear clothes that are a bit larger than you need. And so I think that would be the frumpy aspect. But you're not overly casual. You're not in sweatpants. No, no. I don't like that. But you're not also somebody who's like going out of your way to find an excuse to wear a suit or to tuck in a shirt. So that's why I said casual. But I want to clarify.

Yeah. No, I never tuck in shirts. I wear shirts that are too big for me. I'm a frumpy kind of guy. And it is true, though, that while living in a world where you didn't go out much or at all for a great period of time, like, there wasn't a huge reason to swap out the button-down shirt every day. Like, I do wear button-down shirts, but they're usually kind of oversized, and I have almost different levels of them in my closet as far as casualness or frumpiness, right? Like, I have a few that are kind of nicer that if we were going to go grab a bite to eat somewhere, I just realized, again, that's one of those expressions that I just sound like such a dad. Oh, me and your mom are going to go get a bite to eat. But, you know, I'll have shirts that I will wear if I'm going to grab a bite to eat or if I have an appointment somewhere. Then I have other ones that are probably even larger and slightly older, but they still tend to be buttoned down or snap down shirts. But I'll just wear those around the house. And if I'm not going anywhere two days in a row, it's very possible I'll put that same shirt on two days in a row. Of course, I'm wearing clean undershirts underneath, whatever, T-shirts underneath. All of that is to say I have a doctor's appointment later today. I've had like a Wednesday regular physical therapy appointment, I should say, every Wednesday for the past several months for my fingers. And today I just got a voicemail from them asking me if I can switch my appointment to tomorrow. And I called them back and said, that's fine. And then right as the music was rolling, Luke, I looked down, I kind of saw that I my shirt that I'm wearing. I'm like, oh, I put on my I can leave the house in this shirt shirt. And I thought, oh, dang. And I'm kind of blowing my good socks here, too. Like, I know that exact feeling like it's not like I'm not somebody who's like goes for flashy socks, but I almost always wear just like Argyle socks. I just have tons and tons of Argyle socks. But I also live in an apartment where little – I don't know if we've talked about this – where little nails, especially when the seasons change, start popping up in the floors. Like they start just kind of like growing up like mushrooms sort of. I have to go around with a hammer and nail them down. It's an older house.

Which is very satisfying, by the way.

Nailing them down is. But what's not satisfying is just ruining a sock a day on these things. Oh, no. It's been pretty chill lately, but I went through a phase during the pandemic where I was going through a sock a day. So I have a whole fistful of Argyle socks upstairs that don't have matches. I got out of the habit of throwing them both away because I thought if I'm just around the house and I have two Argyles, one that might be like, let's say, dark blue with a dark brown and other ones like maybe a black and blue or something like it doesn't matter. I can get away with that. And even if I have to run to the grocery store, nobody's going to be laughing at me that I'm wearing two different socks. Nobody's going to notice, but I'm not going to wear those mix-a-matchers out to a doctor's appointment, right? And so I'm wearing one of my nicer pairs of Argyle socks and one of my somewhat nicer frumpy button-down shirts today. And I realize, oh, no, I got to get out of these good duds. I got to get out of my Sunday best because now I got this appointment tomorrow.

So many of my days end up getting organized around, like, a particular one thing that necessitates me wearing a certain item of clothing. or, you know, combing my hair and putting my hair powder in, et cetera. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, like, I'm very – one of the listeners emailed in and said that he's pretty sure that I have ADD or ADHD. And he was – he's a therapist himself, and he realized that he had ADHD pretty late in life, like around my age. And he says, it's worth me looking into, which I said, sir, that is a violation of the Goldwater Rule. Yeah, I was going to say.

Yeah, I was trying to think the name of that principle, yeah.

But anyway, no, actually, I've been thinking about that. So thank you. I think it was listener David. Thanks for the tip. I have been considering it because I – you know, everyone's brain is different and everyone's brain has its own quirks. I have a lot of these kinds of quirks, and I think some of it has to do with why I get very hung up on – I think the other day on the show I was talking about how, oh, I was – I had to reorganize my day because I had an interview that was supposed to happen in the morning and then it didn't and then it meant that I had run at a certain time that I wouldn't normally so that I could then shower so that I could then let my body temperature drop and get to a normal look where I did not appear flushed so that I could be on camera with the person I'm interviewing or like the other day I knew I had to wear like a collared shirt and a kind of nicer looking little jacket thing because of something I was doing for one of my jobs And sometimes I was like, well, I'm also going to knock out these two videos I have to shoot for Livewire. I forgot I was doing Hey Dummies this week. But had I known, I probably would have done Hey Dummies that day. I might have even decided to go out for dinner instead of ordering DoorDash because I was like, well, I already look as presentable as this situation gets. Like, you know what I mean? I want to make use of that kind of stuff. And I also want it all to be very efficient and not a waste. What I really hate doing is, like, getting up, you know, maybe showering, getting all kind of, like, again, as presentable as I get, then going on a jog and having to do it over again, or then having nothing else that day that necessitates that look. I also very much have my, oh, I'm looking forward to these underwear. I'm looking forward to this T-shirt. I have, like, 15 T-shirts from Everlane, but for some reason, like, two of them are my favorites, and when those come up in the rotation, I'm, like, jackpot.

Are they all plain black, too, or are they different colors? They're all plain black. But you just knew these favorite ones are ones that are just the newest in the pile or they were a slightly different cut?

They – well, they have a pocket. A couple of them don't have pockets and these ones have pockets. So I guess I like that. They just, for whatever reason – and the same thing will happen with underwear, with socks, where you'll just kind of have the ones that are coming up in the rotation. They're like, those are the good ones. Today is going to be a pretty good day. I'm not wasting these on a day when I'm just going to be inside. I'm going to use these You know for when I'm going outside Or for when I you know really need to have my Be really on my game and then if you wear Them even for an like here's The question are you going to wear these Same clothes that you're wearing tomorrow To go to the doctor

No I won't well you know what I might I might take off this shirt after The show and Hang it back up because you have a t-shirt on under it exactly And one thing about the t-shirts I kind of Stumbled there for a second it doesn't really matter but i said undershirt where sometimes i do just wear plain white t's underneath my button-down shirts but often like i have you you talk about your favorite shirts like i have a smaller actually probably an oversized collection of t-shirts that actually say things on them but a small percentage of them that i actually want to wear and that are actually thin enough to feel comfortable underneath a shirt like i have a big brown shirt that i got at a thrift store somewhere It's a classic print Cleveland Browns cool font on an orange shirt, and I like it, but it's a really thick T-shirt. I'm not wearing – the only time I would ever wear that would be here at home on a football Sunday, maybe put a jersey or a Cleveland Browns hoodie over it or something. These other shirts that I have are like kind of the more modern kind of T-shirts that maybe you see.

advertise on Instagram or something, and you never know exactly. I did buy an Instagram shirt the other day. It came in a little bit thicker than I was hoping. It was a Fishing with John t-shirt. Oh, wow, John Lurie? Yeah, exactly, that old show. But what I'm wearing like right now.

Boy, that algorithm really has you figured out.

Yeah, it really did. Well, I clicked on it the first time, and then I couldn't get my PayPal to work, but I had already gone all the way to the cash register, and then I had done this actually in the waiting room of the doctor's office.

Well, at least you didn't sign up for a remodeling loan.

Or did I?

It haunts your phone's life now.

Yeah, and then I got to the checkout, and then I was like, oh, I couldn't hack into my PayPal. For some reason, it wasn't working, and then the doctor called me in. So I was like, okay, I'll just give up on this. And then, of course, Instagram was just like, wait, wait. I mean, John Lurie was literally calling me up and being like, are you going to buy this T-shirt or not? I'm like, I don't even think you get the proceeds, dude. Anyway, today I'm wearing one of my favorite shirts to wear underneath a button-down shirt, which is like the perfect thinness. Luke, you know this shirt. It is my Vogelbombs shirt. Oh, sure. It is non-official Mariners gear that celebrates the life and career of one Daniel Vogelbach pre-leaving the Mariners and heading over to Milwaukee. So anyway, I am the same way. I have these little shirts that I wear underneath. Nobody ever sees them, but they just give me pleasure. I have one from the Washington State Fair that is the perfect cut. It's got a retro font. The fact that I called it the Washington State Fair actually really bums me out there. Of course I'm talking about the Puyallup. I know.

Nothing gold can Puyallup.

What a carpetbagger I am. I'm ashamed. I'm walking out to the ocean. I've been listening to so much Levitard.

I watched Ted Lasso last night. I finally broke the seal on that. Becca and I actually sat down and I dialed over to whatever the setting is on my computer of a television lets me watch apps. I didn't know how to do that for a while. I was like telling the remote control. Do you guys have one of those remote controls you can talk into? Yes. I'm so reliant on that. Me too. Old man talks into remote is really what goes on in my life. Like I don't know how to toggle between the multimedia options. options i just know that when i talk into that remote it usually kind of gets me where i'm going so i was like a couple weeks ago wanted to watch ted lasso of course because of all the hype around the show and so i was just telling the remote ted lasso ted lasso and it was giving me like a youtube some like best ted lasso moments on youtube is what it was able to come up with and of course it's because xfinity who i use for my cable they see these apps as a as a competition so they're not going to help you get to any of these apps these are other content providers right so i have to go into the part of my tv that xfinity doesn't know about i have to cheat on xfinity with the other i got to go to the go to the dark side of town on my tv and get that apple plus going or whatever it is so um i did sorry we watched uh i think three episodes last night and i thought it certainly grew on me i thought it was uh you know i can see why people like the show i i think i'll keep watching it it's very broad like it's it's not i mean it's in the way that the office like the well both the british and the u.s version of the office were very subtle and the humor or even a show like parks and rec you know there's there was very in style for a while for comedy tv comedy shows to be very understated and dry right or even i would even say a show like the good place which is kind of sort of technicolor and there's a lot of big movements going on but at its core i still think it's just a very very witty show it's fast it's really smart it's really complicated actually yes exactly this is not that this is i mean right when you start watching ted lasso it says based on original concepts by nbc sports which is when i was reminded do you remember the origin of ted

lasso yeah in fact i was going to play it here i could play it maybe as an easter egg at the end of the show but before ted lasso was a tv show i pulled a long piece of tape that we sometimes use intro tape i stopped using it because it blew up because lasso now represents something else but it started as a promotion for um soccer coming to i guess it was at cbs is that what you said cbs

nbc i think airing soccer so yeah these were just promos that they hired jason sudeikis and some folks to make and they just people loved them and so it got you know it got fleshed out into being a full-on show and again it's the the challenge for me is that there is no way for ted lasso at this point for the show to meet the hype that has been created around it and the fandom and like becca was saying this too like she had this like work event a couple weeks ago and every it was at us it was at the soccer stadium here in portland at providence park and everyone who showed up literally as they came to doors like this is like being in ted lasso like it is now it has become a real cultural phenomenon and so because of that and because i'm starting so late it's impossible for it to I think reach that point for me I do think it's a sweet

Show I again I you know I wanted to Watch the third episode I would have Watched a fourth episode but I'm old And I go to bed at 1030 now but I was But it is the kind of show where the Some of the we were talking about this Yesterday with Home Alone 6 literally Some of the humor is somebody getting Knocked in the balls you know like I Mean I think what people my sense is You know on the looking on the Internet and talking to people what What people what really gets people About this show what people really are attracted to is just the is the sweetness of the show and the heart that the show has I mean certainly the Jason Sudeikis character Ted Lasso is a very very sweet individual and it's sort of almost like a it's like the show is sort of full of life lessons I guess or just it's full of ways to it's like Eckhart Tolle but in a visor it's like it's like basically pieces of advice that we could all use in our life even if we're not playing on a premier league soccer team that's foundering or floundering i should say although i guess a boat a boat can also founder right which is going to look this up swamped with water oh you have a founder like who founds the company you can also found you can also founder a boat but the team is more floundering at least through you know episode three but the idea is that like the ted lasso character is always kind of like just putting these little statements out there that are just so life-affirming and kind of like something that you you see him say it on the show and then you immediately think okay i could apply that to my life he says to one of the soccer players who's kind of suffering from low self-esteem he says you know my goldfish are the happiest animals on planet earth they got 10 second memories you know which is obviously just a comment about not uh and that's like you too right like a 10 second memory yes exactly well actually ironically you have a 10 second and a

10 year memory everything in between is fuzzy yes um i uh it's so funny luke because i mean And even that that I got to tell you this. So this that even that fish line, I've heard that used as an example. Like, I feel like I know. So I know the talk of the people who've just watched Ted Lasso for the first time. Like everybody brings that up. So like the the the podcast I listen to, Levitard, that we talk about all the time, like, you know, some of the members of that crew got obsessed with Lasso deep in the pandemic when the first season was out. Right. And I do think that's one of the reasons people were kind of drawn to it, too. Like it was a it's a hopeful, nice message and it's a comfortable watch. And so I've heard, you know, I heard them go through the cycles of obsessing over it. I've heard the Gab Fest people talk. I've just like everybody, you know, then people in real life like you just know the beats of everybody who's discovering the show. But the most charming one, and I mentioned this to you a few weeks ago, was I went to lunch at this diner place, the Varsity, which isn't too far from my house, which is like I guess I'll just say this. It's not the best food in the world, but it's, like, the perfect atmosphere for me to go, like, eat a bowl of soup before I eat a sandwich. And the last time I was in there, there was me reading a paper book. There were two men eating alone that were somewhere between my age and 10 years older than me, each reading a physical newspaper. And the other people in the diner were these two women who I'm going to put in their, let's say, late 60s, early 70s. And they were sitting nearest me. And the one woman was telling the other person about how wonderful Ted Lasso is and went through all of the beats and just in this one line that like I know this to be true because I've heard it said many ways over the past of the over the course of the past couple of years. but she told her friend she said oh it's just it's just so funny well you know it's not funny it just it's just so sweet and it makes you feel good and i was like that's it that's it lady like it's sweet and it makes you feel good but like even she was like she she backed away from funny she said it's just so funny you know it's not funny but it just is so sweet and it makes you feel good and by the way that's not how you could describe tbtl yeah sort of i mean i'm not grousing About something But that is not me bashing it either If this was on a platform That I have easy access to I'll bet you this would be perfect puttering material For me when it gets to be late at night And it's time for me to grind the coffee beans And make the coffee and brush the coffee maker out And make my ice cube balls And do all my puttering I like to put on shows that I call You don't want to make your coffee in a puck Oh that's right That was a potential advertiser that I said

Can't you turn down an advertiser yesterday I think rightfully so, a potential advertiser, because you said, I talk on the show so much about how much I enjoy making my coffee that were I to come on here and try to advertise a more convenient way to do it with a puck, that would ring hollow to the listeners. And you were absolutely right.

And it's, you know, well, do we want to get into that? Like, I don't mind advertising things that I don't use. Like, I have no...

moral compunction i don't know if i'm using that right i'm foundering here um i have no moral obligation more moral objection to advertising a different kind of coffee than i use i just didn't want to do personal experience and come on and say like oh it's so much better than making coffee every night when like one of my favorite things to do is make tomorrow's coffee today um so anyway all of that is to say i don't have the apple platform so i haven't gotten into this now at some point i will get into tad last ted lasso i'm not bashing it but it's just so funny to hear to hear the same thing out of so many people's mouths that come from so many different backgrounds you know from from young men in miami to two older ladies in seattle at a cafe having lunch

around two well and i mean the thing i the thing i kind of intuited going in but which was also very much confirmed for me is this is not a sports show like i was wondering how are they going to handle the soccer scenes because it's like i mean it's a big kind of production lift to try to to try to reenact an english premier league team yeah like you ever see those premier league games on tv there's 80 000 people there they're singing they're throwing shit they're hooliganing each other it's like it's a whole mood and this is clearly not that like there are some scenes of practice but it's very minimal it's like it's almost like in fact you know they could have I don't know if they would have been able to pull this off, but they almost could have gone with a kind of a crazy gimmick where you literally never see anyone play soccer.

I kind of assumed it was that. I thought it would be all like kind of locker room, like coming in after a tough game and looking beaten up. It's pretty much that.

They do. I mean, I'm only through three episodes, but maybe it gets more robust in the end towards the end of this season or in season two. I'm also assuming their budget is much greater now that they have had all the success that they've had. But like it's it feels the soccer scenes feel a little bit like Bumblebee's the Rodney Dangerfield film where he's a soccer coach like it's like I don't know if these dudes can really play soccer I also kind of wonder if I were in the UK and I like I have a really really sensitive meter for basketball scenes like in Teen Wolf when someone shoots the ball from the top of the three point line and it comes in from the baseline like you know. So just like extremely bad, extremely not convincing. Basketball is probably the sport that I've played the most in my life. So that's the one I'm the most sensitive to, I think, when it's just like I was like, you couldn't find one act, one teen actor who could who could even plausibly pretend dribble a basketball. I don't know if this soccer in because I don't I played soccer in high school, but I'm not an aficionado. I'm wondering if the scenes, the few scenes that I've seen, I'm wondering if somebody who grew up, you know, not just in the UK, but anywhere in the world. that's not the U.S., just obsessing over soccer. I wonder if they're like, oh, yeah, that's not how you'd really do that or that's not what that person would do in that scenario. But all of that being said, I was very charmed by the show, and I'm thinking I will go ahead and keep watching. I mean, I'm intrigued. There's also a very smart plot device that I won't give away for anyone. Yeah, but that actually – it's good because it really keeps you engaged as the viewer. Like you've got the stakes are pretty high and you're kind of like, you know, it's not just bumbling soccer coach or bumbling football coach, you know, tries to learn about soccer and and warms hearts across the pond. It's like there's actually kind of an interesting plot thing going on, too. That's cool.

Yeah, because I always pictured it. You know how I always pictured it? The like I don't like the opposite or the bizarro world version of Friday Night Lights, maybe because I didn't watch much of that. I watched maybe the first season. That show trucked on for a long time, right? You were really into Friday Night Lights, am I mistaken? Nope. I've never watched it.

Really? I don't like Buzz Bissinger. I detest Buzz Bissinger as a human, and so I somehow feel like if I watch Friday – I know our listeners – people would die for Friday Night Lights, so I'm not trying to say anything about the show. And I also stan Kyle Chandler. Excuse me. Yeah, Kyle Chandler. Wait, is that the guy from Twin Peaks? Oh, no, that's Kyle McLaughlin. Okay, thank you. Hey, look at that. That was between 10 years and 10 seconds ago. Wait, is Kyle McLaughlin in Friday Night Lights? No, but Kyle Chandler is. He's the coach, and I love him. I love that actor. So anyway, my point being, I'm not trying to poo-poo Friday Night Lights for anyone. I just have never really engaged with it.

Oh, that's so interesting. Well, then I feel like I'm in a little bit more of a safe space here. Probably not with the listeners. For some reason, I thought that you were obsessed with Friday Night Lights. I watched a little bit of it, and I remember thinking, like, oh, it was a little – it seemed a little bit, like, kind of overly dramatic to me. It seemed a little – and, again, I'm not trying to, you know, ostracize our listeners, but to me it didn't quite.

Live Up to the Hype, and I think I gave it a shot a long, long time ago. This show is pretty old now, but anyway, I just remember it like, this was a show about sports but dealt with serious issues and had kind of a darkness to it and a drama to it, and I always pictured Ted Lasso as being like the ray of sunshine version of this microcosm of sports, but I could be totally

wrong about that. Well, having seen none of Friday Night Lights, but having seen three episodes of Ted Lasso, I'm willing to say you're exactly right.

That's all I needed to hear. Let's go to break. There you go.

Okay, let's end on a high note.

Get out of here.

Another Walsh W. Wednesday, my friend.

That's right, Wednesday. Hey, it is.

It's Walsh W. Wednesday. It is, yeah. All right, quick break, and then we'll be back with more TBTL. Let's thank some donors of the day. These are the generous people. Making the show possible. Some of their money goes to Apple Plus, where they watch Ted Lasso. And some of their money goes to this show, where we say, Ted Lasso's deece. They're folks like Eileen Gormley in Renton, Washington.

Eileen.

What up, Eileen? Natalie Naquin is in Columbus, Georgia. Georgia. Tricked me. Mm-hmm. I was thinking Ohio, maybe.

Yep, I thought it was going to be around on the edges and high in the middle. It's out there in the GA, out there in the peach state. I think I really messed up that joke. What is it? Is it round on the edges? I don't know.

This is a Buckeye joke?

What's round in the middle and high in the middle? Ohio? I don't think it's round on the edges, though. I'm messing something up there.

Huh. Well, I mean, how much time have you spent in Ohio? Yeah. How could I know the culture? Natalie, thank you for supporting the program. Sarah Rebholz is in Middleton, Wisconsin. This is also a good distribution today, Andrew. Yeah, it looks pretty good. Makes me feel like we have a real national reach. We've got Georgia. We've got Wisconsin. We've got Megan DeVries in Bellingham, Washington. We've got Bay Cities checking in. Sad I was never able to really get them to change that. Probably still the city of subdued expectations. Wow, did you hear that? No.

Oh. I think the Ohio State fight song just started playing on my computer in the background because I was trying to get to the bottom of the round on the edges high in the middle joke. I think I got it right, by the way.

Yeah, round. Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, high, oh. Those are round. Yeah. High in the middle. Exactly. I dig it.

Yeah.

Thanks, Megan. Mark Siegel is in Tampa, Florida. What a time. Or Tampa. I know. I mean, up until the Rays got eliminated, boy, what a sports town to be in. I was getting some dinner in Seattle over the weekend and happened to be sitting near some folks from Tompa who were visiting Seattle. And, boy, they were in fine fettle between the Bucs and the Rays. And the Lightning, I think, maybe won the NHL last year. We're a hockey show now, Andrew. I don't know if you know this. You know, this is breaking news to me.

I'm sick and tired hearing about what a great hockey team the Soviets have.

I didn't realize that the Rays are out of it already. I mean, already it's been going on. Once the Mariners were out, I really kind of – every now and then I'll check in on the playoff picture. But I didn't realize that that was already a done deal. Sorry, compa.

It's kind of bitter. It's a bitter pill. That's why I was so mad at the MLB.com, like the hardest mailing list to get off of, which I only was tolerating it during the baseball season because the Mariners were relevant. And then, like, the Monday after it was all over for us, I get this, like, playoff matchup stuff. And I'm like. Read the room. Thank you. Read the room, MLB.com. You know who's great at reading the room and letting us stay in one of them is Casey Anderson in Boise, Idaho.

That's right.

Well, really, park in the driveway. Near her. Near her home. Yes. Casey, thank you for supporting the show. Thanks for being awesome out there in Boise. Thanks to everybody who helps make TBTL possible. with their donations. Hello and welcome to Top Story. A hat tip to listener Ashley, who tweeted this at me yesterday. It's basically kind of the context of what was going on in that photo when Mick Jagger was in that teeny tiny bar in Charlotte, North Carolina. The bar that itself, it's called the Thirsty Beaver, itself is kind of an interesting story Because they refused to sell To this giant apartment complex And so the apartment complex built all around it A la the movie Up Or like the Edith Macefield situation in Seattle That some folks know about

We had sort of noticed that

When we were you had told me about this photo and then I was kind of Googling on the fly and I saw I saw the kind of context for it. At first, we were even wondering if we were if we were being fooled by the Internet a little bit by like kind of, you know, this photo almost fake. But then we looked into it and it seemed to be real. I wanted to ask you at the top of the show, but I didn't want us to get on this topic too soon and get everything off to a clunky start. But is the information that you have, is the filling in the gaps on the story, which was originally just you and me being somewhat charmed by Mick Jagger, just chilling at a bar and not being recognized. Once I know the details, is it going to be a little less fun or a little more?

No, it's not really the details of why Mick Jagger was at the bar. It goes to the question that we were asking, which was, was did anyone realize it was Mick Jagger? Because that's what I was fascinated by. He is just standing there drinking a beer in this little outdoor area with people seated in the nearby area who are just talking to each other. And what we were going back and forth on was, is it possible that one of the most famous rock stars or at least one of the most important people in rock music could walk into a random bar, order a beer, and go stand drinking with no one noting who it was? Now, I understand there's an age thing. That's what you brought up was like the person at the, you know, the register. If they're in their 20s, Mick Jagger, that may not be on their radar. If it was Dua Lipa, maybe that's a whole different story. But anyway, this really this guy named Jeremy Markovich, who has a sub stack in North Carolina, he kind of does this very almost like it's like the Warren Commission. He's trying to figure out who was at the bar that night, what did they see, when did they see it, did anybody figure out it was Mick Jagger. And the sort of short answer is no one realized it was Mick Jagger.

That's good. That's cool.

So what he did, it was very clever. He basically went on like Insta and Twitter and was like scouring the internet that night for anybody who mentioned that they were hanging out at the Thirsty Beaver, which is a thing that happens more frequently than you would think. Like, take any bar that's kind of popular, and I get the sense this is sort of legendary, that Thirsty Beaver is sort of legendary in Charlotte. At any given time, somebody is in there, like, having drinks at the hashtag Thirsty Beaver. So he, like, goes online and finds a couple of people who were just randomly using social to tell their friends where they were having a beer that night. I'm the mayor.

I'm the mayor of the Thirsty Beaver. Remember that? Foursquare?

Yes. I'm the mayor. I never got into that. Me neither. I wouldn't want to be I would be I would be elected Dictator for life Desmond What is the most lifetime appointment you could have I would be Supreme Court Justice Of the tattletale It would be not great It would be an indication of how much time I'd spent In those joints But anyway so he finds one of these guys and calls him up A guy named Zach Curtis who left at around 10.45 and thinks that Mick Jagger showed up there after he was there. So now we think, because he didn't remember even seeing anyone in the hat who looked even like this person that no one realized was Mick Jagger. Another guy he finds on social, Joshua Stone, arrived at 9.50, and he posted his picture about an hour later. Joshua thinks that Jagger was already gone by the time he got there. He says, it's also safe to say nobody else in the bar recognized him in the moment. I did a thorough search through social media last night. Nothing came up related to Mick Jagger Zilch No one had any idea until 8.33 this morning So he goes I threw Jagger's picture into Photoshop And I lightened it up for clues So now he's like doing He literally does at some point Put this joke He puts the joke in Enhance Computer enhance All he's doing is just Changing the lighting of this photo of Mick Jagger That everyone's obsessed with But he zooms in And basically Calls the owner of the bar And the people that are sitting around In the outside area are regulars So the bar owner knows them So the bar owner is like – first of all, the bar owner is really bummed that he wasn't there when Mick Jagger was there because he would have recognized him. He's a huge Stones fan. He had gone home to put his daughter to sleep, which is kind of charming actually. So the bartender – the bar owner rather left at around 5 and wasn't back until around 11.45 because he was putting his kid to sleep. So they've narrowed down. That's probably the window of time when Mick Jagger was there.

Can you tell me the actual window because it was going by a little bit quickly. You said the one fella who he called said he thinks Mick Jagger arrived after him. Another person said, I think Jagger had left by the time I got there. So what is the window we're working with here? Is that clear or am I making you do math on the fly?

It's not. It's not clear. There are conflicting accounts. What's not conflicting, what's consistent is that nobody had any idea that it was Mick Jagger. So a couple of these people that the guy tracked down, they have sort of different.

ideas of when it might have been that he was in there the um bartender apparently is young the bartender who uh who who did the transaction uh with mick jagger because the owner went through all of the um credit card receipts to see if he had mick jagger's signature on a credit card so mick jagger we know mick jagger paid with cash they tried to enhance the photo to figure out what he was drinking they think it might have been a non-alcoholic beer because it's a bottle of beer which i guess they have a lot of stuff on draft so the bottles that kind of narrows it down and the owner thought it looked a little bit like a non-alcoholic beer that they serve there i could see him being off the booze juice these days i mean you get to 80 and you're still like you know as active as he is and as functional as he is you cannot be a heavy user of any kind of drugs or alcohol i don't think i mean i just don't think you'd even i mean it's it's just insanity really that like Keith Richards is still drawing air on this planet he only got sober a couple of years ago like sober from everything which is quite something to behold but hey good for him you know better late than never I guess um but anyway uh yeah I Mick Jagger just seems so physically okay that I just don't think he could be a guy who's out at at almost age 80

slamming beers on a Tuesday night of course I mean you can have a beer too you don't there's a There is a gulf between drinking a non-alcoholic beer and never having alcohol touch your lips versus slamming beers on a Wednesday night. But, yeah, I could definitely see him, though. I mean, in order to keep performing, like, you just like cutting out all kinds of stuff. Maybe he doesn't eat nightshades either. Right? Tompa style?

Yeah. Maybe he eats avocado ice cream? So anyway, I mean, that's basically the story. The story is he's contacted everybody who he can who is at the bar, and they all report having no idea that it was Mick Jagger there, which is just remarkable. And, again, not only the owner is a Stones fan, but two of the people who he kind of frees from – that one photo, he kind of zooms into the people on either side and figures out from the owner that those people had tickets to see the Stones. They had paid, I think it was $300 or $400 for floor seats to see the Stones like the following night. And they don't recognize him. And then I'll recognize him. Wow. Which is – Imagine being them. That's the thing. Give me a bad feeling. Right. They would be pretty bummed. Although then that raises the question, and we've talked about this on the show extensively. You're a huge Mick Jagger fan. You're sitting at the Thirsty Beaver, and then Mick Jagger walks in. And what do you actually do in that situation? I guess you probably surreptitiously take a picture of him with your phone, or maybe you go up to him and say, hey, could I get a picture with you real quick? I don't know what you do because that's My thought in those situations is always I want to try to say something that so blows their mind That then they're like that guy's cool But there's almost nothing you're going to ever As the non-famous person there's nothing You're going to say to the famous person That's going to have that and make that impression on them It's mostly just trying to minimize how annoying You're being like when I took that picture of Robert Robinson Cano In Chicago and sent it to you guys That was in an airport I think No that was in a restaurant I think that was in the The purple pig

Did you try to get Doug Baldwin, though, in an airport?

Yeah, Doug Baldwin ran away from me.

Oh, right. Can he run?

And I was like, well, that makes sense. Yeah, he's not like the fastest receiver, but his route was impeccable. Like, he basically hung a right at the Hudson News, and it was so precise. Oh, you kept going.

You just, oh, man. Exactly. It was a double move. I got totally burned.

I looked like Jamal Adams in coverage. But anyway, I love this. See, I love this story even more because it just means that people were out just having a beer and Mick Jagger was out just having a – be it non-alcoholic or alcoholic beer and just chilling and everyone was just chill about it. It isn't like the Stones came in and took everyone out, took all the regulars out and replaced them with people from the entourage so that then no one would mess with Mick Jagger. Right, right.

But the big question for me that remains, not that it's a super important question, and again, I kind of like the mystery around this, but any sense of who took the picture or did this writer even get into that? Because this is not a selfie. This is a picture taken from quite a distance away, which kind of makes it cool.

That's not addressed in the story, but it's a good question. I mean, you assume it's whoever Mick Jagger was there having a beer with. Yeah, right.

Exactly.

It could just be somebody, just a friend or a co-worker, a colleague. We've been talking, yes.

Does Mick Jagger have colleagues?

Yes. I would love it if he exclusively refers to like Keith Richards as his colleague.

You know, my sorry, this comes up from time to time. And with Vives and I, it comes up all the time. It's one of those inside jokes that I should not be wasting our time with. But so, you know, the movie Get Shorty. I actually like the movie Get Shorty. But I love the movie Get Shorty. There was a follow up of what they call a sequel to that movie.

It would be called, like, Get Busy Living or Get Busy Dying. No, I can't remember the name of it. It's got the same rhythm as Get Shorty, but it's not Get Shorty, right? It's a sequel, and if I recall, it's really bad. I don't remember the details, but what I do remember is one of the main characters who I want to say might be played by Uma Thurman, although I could be wrong about that, is sitting in a movie theater and runs into Steven Tyler of Aerosmith fame. Oh, wow. And at one point, she said— Be cool. Be cool. That's what it is, right? And she's talking to him. And, you know, I don't even know if this really holds up, but the dialogue is so stiff between whoever this actor is and Stephen Tyler and supposedly their old friends. And Stephen Tyler says, yeah, Joe Perry asks about you all the time. I didn't know I did a Stephen Tyler, but I do. That's not bad.

How many scarves are you wearing?

You know, as I did, you know, I ran to your microphone. I didn't start as an invitation, but like halfway through, I thought I can just tighten my vocal cords a little bit. He's a little raspy, right? But he's like, yeah, Joe Perry asks about you all the time. I'm just like, would you say Joe Perry? You know what I mean? Like if you and I'm trying to say that. Would you say that to Joe Perry? Like I don't know if we use Kamara Kev's last name on the show or not. But like I'm just saying if you and I were good friends with somebody going way back and then you would just say to me, yeah, Kev asks about you all the time or Kamara Kev asks about you all the time. You wouldn't say his full first name and last name, right?

You wouldn't say guitarist Joe Perry asks about Joe Perry?

That is exactly what our joke is. I turned Genevieve in the theater. Whenever this came out, I remember saying, like, yeah, guitarist Joe Perry asked me all the time. And the time leader laughed so hard. It's still a joke to this day. Whenever we hear, like, Joe Perry, we refer to him as guitarist Joe Perry.

It's a thing. That's great. Speaking of Get Shorty, the epics version of Get Shorty starring Chris O'Dowd and Ray Romano is so good. I got to watch this. I stumbled across that. Maybe it was during the pandemic Maybe it was before that And I don't know Other than once seeing Ray Romano In diving gear At a beach in Mexico Or actually the restaurant near a beach in Mexico That's as close as I've come to having a take on Ray Romano Actually I think Ray Romano is kind of a force for good In the world And Chris O'Dowd I again also didn't have any strong feelings One way or the other on He's in Bridesmaids He plays like the cop I think Kristen Wiig is dating Irish maybe Yeah Anyway So it's called Get Shorty And it's also about basically a hitman Who's trying to become a movie producer And a screenwriter But it is so gripping I mean it's funny The characters are good I'll tell you what It's the anti-Ted Lasso In the sense that Ted Lasso gives you Warm fuzzy feelings Because of how great Ted Lasso is This is more just like Every episode you're like Well this has to be the last episode how can you get how is there's just they're so effed they are so screwed and then you know they somehow have another episode but it it i would i highly recommend it i feel like nobody was watching they got two seasons though and i've watched both of them it's very good the get

shorty tv version on epics and i i actually liked the first movie too and you know that it's a um i always get this guy confused with somebody else but it's an elmore it's elmore leonard right it's It's based on an Elmore Leonard book, which is one of my favorite movies. Jackie Brown is based on that. And did you know that there are two other movies in the Jackie Brown universe because they're based on Elmore Leonard books that are in that universe? But they have nothing to do with, like, the same production company or Tarantino or anything. You have Out of Sight takes place in the same universe as Jackie Brown.

Really, I loved Out of Sight. That's Clooney and Jennifer Lopez.

Yes. And you have you have what's his face playing the Michael Keaton playing the ATF agent, the same character that he plays in Jackie Brown. And then also a movie came out. Now I'm looking this up, by the way, a movie came out in 2013. And I don't know who directed it, but it's called Life of Crime. And Genevieve and I were watching the movie in the theater. And I honestly think she had the realization maybe, I don't know, a half hour into the movie or something that essentially it's a prequel. It's based on a book that is a prequel to to Jackie Brown, because you just have like all these same characters, but they're played by vastly different people. And it's got Jennifer Aniston in it. And I'm trying to remember who else. What's Yassine Bay's? I'm looking at the IMDb. Oh, most most deaf, formerly known as most deaf.

By the way, I love that you could remember his name is Yassine Bay. I know I was looking that up.

I can't take I can't take credit for that. I'm on the cast page now. But anyway, yeah, and so he plays like Odell If that's the guy's name, Wardell, Odell Which is, well, I'm digging myself a hole here Samuel L. Jackson's character in Jackie Brown

Anyway, I didn't realize, I forgot that Jackie Brown is an adaptation of Rum Punch Yes, which I haven't read any of these I like

this style of book but i just love that you have these three kind of different movies jackie brown out of sight and life of crime not totally different but not like not part of a franchise but they they all live in each other's universe because of these books and that get shorty i don't know if get shorty is part of the universe but it's definitely from the same author in that style

of story yeah and i really i saw get shorty in a theater the the john travolta one i really liked it too um so you know i the fact that uh they had steven tyler the fact that they had steven tyler talking about guitarist joe perry in the second one makes me feel like a little less enthused i guess i'm assuming you guys went and saw it because you liked the first one yeah you know

i mean i'm looking at the dates now get shorty came out i'm sure i saw get shorty on vhs long before i met the thieves but then be cool came out in 2005 and we were probably just going to the movies a lot then and sort of like okay yeah we'll go see it and it just was i again i don't remember much about be cool other than like it was a pretty big letdown speaking of um of rock

and rollers like steven tyler do you know that uh when we're done here today i'm interviewing nicky six from motley crew oh for live for live wire you mentioned this at some point because i

was going to say you have to ask about the song live wire in some way or another which he wrote

perfect you got he wrote a lot of motley crew songs he wrote dr feelgood he wrote home sweet home a personal fave um yeah i guess he's kind of the primary songwriter he was the primary songwriter in the band uh you know if you're shocked to hear vince neal's not really a you know yeah a wordsmith yeah no that doesn't surprise me at all um but it's just funny because you know like what's the interview well he wrote a book kind of just about his career and life and and and playing music and stuff like that and it's definitely it's sort of a like a bit of a left turn for the kind of people that we usually have on live wire um we just you know it's a public radio show and so the people that tend to come into our orbit and that we tend to seek out have a more i guess you could say what we think of as a more cerebral kind of uh you know body of work etc but i just they were like would do you want to talk to nick six i was like yeah of course the dude was in motley crew like i mean why why would i ever turn that down but i'm i'm i feel like he's either going to be I can give you a report on this tomorrow. I feel like he's either going to be just like a total sweetheart and really great to talk to, or it's going to be rough. I don't know.

I think you're 100% right, but I lean at least 60-40 that. I'll bet you he's going to be just kind of glad to be there and polite and sweet and excited to be doing a different kind of media.

I'm hoping so. At least it's not a junket. We did a junket yesterday. Oh, my gosh. I've got to tell you about this real quick. We might have to get to video games tomorrow. That's fine. If that's okay. Maybe they'll give you time to adopt yet another totally insane video game. I cannot tell you. I cannot wait to tell you what this game is. Well, good. I want to give it due. I want to give it its due. But so when I, you know, pre-pandemic and when I was working, I don't know, in local media, from time to time, the opportunity would come up to go be part of what's called a junket. And that's, you know, everyone who's watched the local TV or watched Entertainment Tonight know what these things look like. It's the reporter, the Mario Lopez or the local version of Mario Lopez gets flown to L.A. They get five minutes with George Clooney and Jennifer Lopez to talk about out of sight. And everyone's sitting in director's chairs and prominently displayed behind George and J. Lo is a big poster of out of sight. So there's never any confusion what is being promoted. You get your five minutes and then they shuffle the next people in. Well, these are – when I used to work in local media, on the rare occasion when these were presented to me as an opportunity, I turned them down. I don't really like the format. I feel like it's really hard to get anything useful out of it. And really what I think bothers me is it's very clear that I am not the main character in this. Like it is – you're being handled by these – the people who are scheduling it. and it's very clear that the talent is George Clooney and Jennifer Lopez and the cog in the machinery is me going to sit down to talk to them whereas if I'm doing Livewire on stage oh which by the way tomorrow night if you're in the anywhere in the northwest and you want to come on down to the Alberta Rose Theater we're doing Livewire live you have to be vaxxed you got to wear your mask when you're in there you got to bring proof of vaccination but it's going to be great we're having Tom Sharpling on from the best show he wrote a book a really good book A really good memoir And Mohamed El-Shecky will be there Super funny comedian He writes for Samantha Bee now Does Sharpling have a connection to Monk as well? Yes, he was a writer on Monk He was a writer on Monk

And his buddy who also used to be on that What's the famous The best show on WFMU WFMU, because the best show isn't on WFMU anymore It's independent But who was the other guy who was at WFMU Who was like the creator of Monk Maybe it was Worcester John Worcester is his creative collaborator I don't know

that's the creator of monk or not anyway i think he um but um so uh point is i generally avoid these junkets or i have avoided them probably for some reasons of my own pride and for some reasons of just feeling like you're not going to get a great conversation out of this person in this because they've also been sitting in that chair for nine straight hours they're bored of talking about themselves it's just a it's a less than great way to get these interviews done but during the pandemic a couple of times they've been like hey do you want to talk to so and so i'm like yeah we would do that but then they're like okay but it is but it is a junket and so that means you're going to get your uh we talked to mark duplass and natalie morales uh about a movie they made and that was a junket and then i just talked to the director todd haynes yesterday um director of like velvet gold mine and uh you know far from heaven and a lot of other stuff he's made this really incredible documentary about the velvet underground um called the velvet underground But it was a junket And it was just There's so many Okay, the irony about both of these junkets is That I've been on One is I email with Mark Duplass sometimes Because the person who used to live In Mark Duplass' guest house And used to, I think, occasionally Maybe help nanny his children Was a huge TBTL fan And we had a TBTL event At that bowling alley in Eagle Rock That I almost bought And she came And she and Mark Duplass' wife Katie Asselton who's in the league and a lot of other things were there just hanging out at a tbtl party uh which was funny and so through that connection i was able to get mark duplass's info and i email him occasionally he's a nice guy it's usually me saying hey can we get you on a show and him saying no i'm too busy but in a very nice way but so it's conceivable i could have just emailed mark duplass and been like uh can we just talk to you about your movie and avoided the whole uh junket thing but we didn't that's how it went down we did the interview it was fine it was very managed You have all these handlers, all these people like coming on with headsets going, Hi, this is Ernie from Junket Co. And now we're going to send you the link for the other room. And you have seven minutes and da-da-da-da-da. All this stuff that I just don't like the feeling of. It just feels non-naturalistic.

Yeah, definitely.

So yesterday, the one with Todd Haynes. Again, Todd Haynes is a total sweetheart. By the way, lives in Portland a lot of the time. Likes Livewire. Once we were talking, he was like, oh, shit, is this Livewire? Oh, I love you guys.

Yeah, in other words, you could have just done this another way.

I mean, he's probably been on the show before I was the host. Like, we probably, you know, if it were not a pandemic, we could have said, hey, can you just come on down to the Alberta Rose Theater on Thursday and we'll just ask you about your new doc? Like, it's that kind of level of familiarity I think he has with our show. But because this is Hollywood, that was a combination of Hollywood and Hollywood. I changed my mind in the middle of the ending and it made something very strange.

Guitarist Joe Perry would love that.

So we So we have to First of all I have to download WebEx And so a download Because that's what they're doing That's what they're doing to junk it in So download WebEx Hold on I'm going to just let this ambulance go by Although me actually talking less While the ambulance goes by Amplifies the sound of the ambulance Yeah I think you're fine I'm going to put this ambulance on my lap Really quick okay

What I usually do is I mix in ambulance Ambie that's why it's called Ambie by the way Throughout the entire show and post-production So that it just masks the real one So don't worry about it

I wish you had told me before I decided I was moving from this apartment Basically because of the ambulance situation Anyway, so we have to download WebEx Download WebEx And then we get this link And we go into the link And now we're in this giant waiting room And a tech person comes on screen and says Hello, I'm so-and-so with whatever this company is That runs these things And these are all the directions for how you do this You've got to go to layout You've got to do this You've got to uncheck it. We're going to send you another link. When you get the other link, then it's your turn to leave the waiting room. Then you need to leave this meeting, click on the other link, and then go into this other room where you'll then be in the waiting room of the real interview. I'm just like, come on. So we do this. We're all waiting, me and the whole LiveWire team. And finally, they led us into – we're all sitting in basically limbo, kind of going, has anyone gotten the link yet? We're all texting with each other. I was like, okay, I got the link. Cool. so we click through now we're in the waiting room of the real thing and then finally they bring us in and it's like there's todd haynes and we're super nice he's talking to us but they have him on the shittiest wi-fi connection and i'm like y'all spent i bet that i bet you this junket cost them fifty thousand dollars between the companies that they hired to run it the staffing the technology all of it i bet you it was a fifty thousand i don't know where i get that number from pulling that out of thin air, but I know it's not cheap. We didn't deal with one tech person. We dealt with, I think, three different tech people who all were managing different elements of it. So for instance, when we start talking, they go, someone comes in just in my ears and goes, you have 20 minutes starting now action and i'm like whoa whoa we didn't even do our sound we didn't do our clap we didn't check in it's like the clock's already ticking so we're we're talking and i'm asking somebody said a really interesting quote about lou reed in this documentary which they said his he was more talented than his talent kind of you know like lou reed was not conventionally an in-tune singer or a particularly virtuosic guitar player and it's particularly in early days but there was something about him that was just so kind of watchable and listenable that he was sort of his talent exceeded his talent essentially so I asked Todd Haynes about this and he goes yeah he goes well you know I mean it's one of those things is you really have to just be honest and say this about a lot of white performers and then he goes out for four seconds and then he's back and I'm like is that the line that I want to just be playing along with Like I'm assuming he didn't say something problematic But when someone started to say Well it's like what happens with a lot of white performers And then you don't know the next four things The next four seconds of what they said I was like oh my god So then he kind of comes back for a while And every time Did you ever get clarity on what he was saying? Well I'll tell you Every time the line drops out It seems like it's at a critical juncture of what he's saying Which is what would inform what I'm going to say next So I'm just like feeling so disoriented

And finally, it just goes completely out. And they were like, we're all holding. And this voice of God comes back in line. Okay, and we're cutting. We're cutting now. Okay, we're going to move you back into the other waiting room. We're going to get Todd back on. And then this will not, you're 12 minutes and you have eight minutes left. This does not count against your time. And then all of a sudden, we're back in the waiting room. And I was like, I can't believe that for all of this work that they did to set this thing up, They didn't make sure that the person that we're interviewing is on a good connection.

Do you get the impression that he was like on the road in a hotel somewhere?

No, he was in like, it just looked like an office. I think he was in L.A. Maybe he was at the offices of, you know, the offices of the production company or something. Well, you know what? This is, I'm going to take it right to Boring Town. You know what people sleep on, Andrew? Ethernet connection, baby. You and I are on Ethernet connections. No one else is, as am I. You know what? never goes down my connection i mean we've had some ipdtl weirdness which i think is iptl more than anything else but like when i'm doing these interviews i have never had a slow connection because i have plugged and i had to get a dongle because my computer doesn't even have an ethernet in like port anymore nobody does oh yeah i got one of those from my other computer too yeah like i'm sure and this is not on todd haynes this is not his job there's some tech person but the idea that they didn't have him hard wired into something so it was you know probably somebody else in this building in Los Angeles where their movies are being produced was probably trying to like upload a chunk of film to someone's yeah

right was he using a decent mic he wasn't just using an onboard like

that I don't even want to get into because I don't know he had air pods in and supposedly they're recording it there they sent me video of the whole thing which is like not helpful to me but I now oh so that was the other thing so we get finally Get back on the line and again none of this guy Todd Haynes Was just absolutely lovely And a very very great filmmaker so this isn't About him they finally get us back on the line There okay we're back with Todd And you have eight minutes starting Now action and I'm just Like the fact that they're calling cutting And action I guess it's because they Were creating a video of this like they were treating It like it was a film shoot yeah and that's the language

They know but also you sort of Also get the impression I know that This is tickling at the back of your brain too You also get the impression they like using that kind of language Like they wield it instead of using it

Yes I think both of the things you said are right I think it is just the language of how you describe it I didn't even realize that this was Being Like videoed and then being Sent back to us I mean it's so like if I was With if I was with King TV in Seattle and I did this interview Then they would send me back this file This would be what I would then be playing On the news tonight when I was doing my Hollywood Minute or whatever so that also kind of explains all the terminology around cutting and action and stuff but then it was crazy because at like 20 minutes I'm like okay well now we're hitting our time because I'm also getting the timing cues from the Livewire producers so like I know exactly what time it is and so I'm like I better wrap this up so I ask him one final question and I just say well thanks so much for being here Todd Haines he was like yeah great I was like maybe we can have you on the show in real life when you're in Portland he said oh I would love that I love the show da da da everything's cool And then we say goodbye to him Alright thanks Todd And then you just hear Cutting And you're out of the meeting You're not even just out of the meeting You're out of WebEx And I was I was texting My Livewire colleagues Saying I think that's what death is like I think you just hear someone say A voice just says Let's cut And it's just total blackness

Because that's exactly what happened Let's cut please And then you're just It's not like that thing on Zoom Where you're like Everyone says bye And then you still have to go find the leave meeting And you're trying to not make a goofy face It's not that It was let's cut please And then gone Just total darkness

That's kind of nice actually

We all agreed we'd take it We all agreed I would absolutely take it It was abrupt But not totally unpleasant

here i go once again with the email every week i hope that it's from a female no man it's not from

a female all right an email or v-mail sir before we get out of here yes our pal linda in melbourne

australia yeah power out linda we mentioned linda on the show the other day because she's a still a ongoing donor of the day here for tbtl this is of course power out linda right there she left us a voicemail years and years ago and ended it by saying power out and now we use it at the end of the show of course um she came up uh during the donors section the other day and i think we were wondering um just about her situation and also if she feels compelled to listen to the show because she's such a huge part of it now hey luke and andrew this is linda calling from the most

lockdown city in the world. And I'm not going to lie, it's getting pretty tedious. But the end is in sight. So we've just got to hang in there for a few more weeks. And we might finally be allowed out of our houses, which is very exciting. Anyhow, you were suggesting the other day that the main reason I'm still listening and donating to the show was to hear myself at the end. I would like to chime in with the fact that the opposite is true. I have a visceral reaction whenever I hear my bogan aussie voice blaring out of the speakers at the end of the show i'm like ah that's not what i sound like so i used to stop the podcast once the music started playing however andrew has started putting easter eggs at the end of every show and i love them so i'm forced to hear myself every time i'm hoping it's going to work like exposure therapy no luck so far but i'm still hopeful. Anyhow, love to the 10s. Power out.

Thank you, Linda. First of all, that Fidelity is probably better than your Alexander Payne.

Oh boy, Alexander Payne. I talked to that guy.

I'm sorry, I'm forgetting the director's name already. Todd Haynes. Todd Haynes. Alexander Payne. You can see why I'd get him confused. But anyway, probably better Fidelity there than you got yesterday.

Yes, probably so. I find that so relatable, Linda, because I hate the sound of my voice on the show. So you're really in good company. You're part of the team now. And you know that because you, like me and Andrew, don't like hearing yourself on the show.

I'm going to admit something to you, and then we can get out of here. You know, this is a story. I didn't even tell Genevieve this. This is kind of embarrassing for me. So Genevieve and I went for a walk around Green Lake on Sunday, and we, at one point, were kind of – we walk at a pretty decent clip. Usually we're passing people unless they're running, right? Then they pass us, and we're going around the loop. And we pass one, I'm going to say young woman, although I don't know. I was seeing the back of her head. I don't know how old she was. But carrying a phone and clearly listening to a podcast without earbuds in. It wasn't, like, loud and disruptive. It was just like you could just hear the very podcast nature of what she was listening to.

It was like you listening to Nirvana Nevermind. Right.

Trying to blast through my headphones. No, it was like you can tell the quality of a podcast versus, like, It was not sports radio she was listening to. You know what I mean? It wasn't music. It was, like, very clearly a podcast. And for some reason, one of the – I was like, that's not my voice, is it? Because every now and then I think I hear my voice and not in egotistical way.

I told you I heard someone listening to TBTL on their bike on a speaker. Oh, that's right. That's awesome.

Now, in this case, I really don't think it was me. It sounded like it might have been a more reserved podcast, you know, more like an NPR kind of podcast. But the voice, I was just – I'm so embarrassed. Genevieve doesn't even know this. I was walking with her. This woman was one of the few people who was keeping pace with us. Like she joined the loop at some awkward place where we – she was walking as fast as we were, but she was just like two steps ahead of us the whole time. So we weren't making a lot of – we were making just like a tiny bit of gain on her. And it's just like it was going on for a while. But while this is happening, I'm like trying to listen to hear if it's my voice. And I decide that it's not She peels off For some reason I don't know where she goes And she peels off and we go on with our walk This is something that lasted maybe I don't know Two minutes and all of my Sunday And then Sunday night now I think This is a different person Sunday night Somebody on Slack said hey I was walking Around Green Lake today and I Saw Genevieve and Andrew And when I stopped Thank you.

tie my shoe but um i decided not to say hi any you know like i didn't want to interrupt so i didn't say hi and i'm looking for who that person is now and immediately i'm like wait a second this isn't the person who is listening without headphones but i i don't think so i think this was a different person but a lot of goings on at green lake was that fascinating i really it was anna it was anna by the way who said i was just walking around green lake and i stopped to get something out of my shoe and andrew and genevieve walked past so i wanted to say hi i've never met them but i chickened out um this is on sunday saturday night i might have told you this off air luke saturday night apparently there was somebody hanging out at teddy's who was familiar with me and genevieve because i got a voicemail that i heard on monday morning from a you know someone who had been enjoying their drinks saying i was at teddy's tonight and i saw you but i didn't

want to say hi ha that's like you know larry king used to famously go get breakfast five days a week at some diner in L.A., and it would be like, if you want to see Larry King, just go to this diner. That's pretty much you and Teddy's. Yes, exactly. I would say to folks, if you see us out in the world, say hi to us. First of all, it proves that there are listeners, which is great for us to remember, and we appreciate it. We're not the level of famous where it's overwhelming, the number of people who come up and say, oh, hey, I listened to the podcast. It's a very nice thing to hear And please don't be shy I also

It'll also make sure that I don't say anything untoward That I don't want you to hear

If basically you see me or Andrew immediately scream I'm a 10 So that we will then behave ourselves appropriately If you're a 10 you have to tell us

It's the law

Yeah exactly Because if we think that we're just anonymous That no one's tracking our behavior We'll be our normal boorish selves

Yes exactly

But if you let us know Then we'll be on our best Like oh someone who knows us Is observing this And so we better keep it together You know the thing that I really dislike To an almost sort of an irrational degree Is people walking behind me Like a few steps Like Becca and I will be on walks And we've either got to be passing someone Or they've got to be passing us I hate someone in step with us But who's five steps back And I'm not even blaming that person They're not doing anything wrong. But it's like some part of my primal brain comes out. It's like, you know how they say that dogs like being in their crate because they are like dogs, you know, maybe. The point is in the olden days, a dog would like want to be somewhere where it knew that its back was protected and everything. Like they like being in a little kind of cove so that they only have to worry about things coming from one direction. And when you're crate training a dog, if you do it right, they'll really like their crate and they're really comfortable in there. it's like where they go to kind of like chill out um i think i got some of that going on because i hate p and particularly if they're just having a conversation it's not even like the the content of the conversation doesn't even matter but it's just like if there's p if there are people walking behind me three or four steps and they're talking i will sometimes just pretend to tie my shoes so they'll go past oh yeah sure or something i'll pretend to take a phone call because i'm just like we got to fix this either i got to go faster and get much more distance or you got to get ahead of me walking behind me at about the pace I'm walking is really rouses some real primal primal discomfort in me

well to Anna I will say

primal discomfort is Nikki Sixx's new project Tim and one of the guys from LA Guns

I gotta say when I was I would of course stop to talk to Anna but I did make a joke to Genevieve because we were walking around the lake but I had to get back in time to see my beloved Browns and so I told Genevieve I'm like if you make eye contact with anybody that you think you know just look away we don't have time to stop just keep looking so hey um i have a favor to ask obviously you can say no but can we go out with live wire you know i love that song yeah absolutely in honor of nikki six yeah this is a good era for motley crew man this is their i think this is the first album if you have any um you know if you have any

questions you want me to ask nikki six i'm talking to you specifically andrew because no one in the the listening audience isn't going to really hear this in time but if you if you have any

brainstorms later fire him my way i don't really know much about i actually i mean i like some motley crew songs well here's the thing but i don't know much not really nicky six really i thought that he was forced into the industry with a name like that you'd think your kid's born your

last name is six and you name him nicky you're like well he's gonna be a yeah it's gonna be a

heavy metal bass player right exactly no happened the other way around what's interesting is so his

name he has like an italian american name he's from san jose and but all of his children everyone you know his he's been married a few times and he's had various children in different relationships everyone's last name is six now oh it's oh interesting so like his kids last name is six i guess he

that legally changed it oh that's interesting i'm trying to think would i do that i mean that's interesting because i mean you become known as this person because right if you don't then it's almost like you're living two very distinct lives right so at some point you just become nikki six

that's just what it is yeah that's who you are your children their last name becomes six instead of frandino or whatever his real last name is um which is kind of an interesting thing uh i um And, you know, I've kind of missed the window on changing my name, but I would have changed it probably to probably Jordan something just because I was obsessed. That's how my brother Sam got the middle name, Jordan.

Really?

Because I was trying to get my parents to name him Jordan Michael. And they were like, no. So they acquiesced to or they agreed to Samuel Jordan Burbank.

Really? Well, I guess, I mean, Sammy is one of your younger siblings, right? He's second from youngest, maybe? Maybe I'm wrong about that. So at this point, they've named a lot of kids. I guess it's not so precious anymore. Exactly, they were out of names. Right, they're letting their oldest kids name the children. Or at least they're taking it under serious advisement. Wow, that's really something. I was thinking about that. I was going to say, my sister wasn't even allowed to choose the name Jude. She wanted to choose the name Jude for her confirmation name. When you're confirmed in the Catholic Church, you're usually about, you know, like I'm going to say between 11 and 13 maybe. And she was way into the Beatles. And so she wanted to choose her name to be Jude. I think it was Jude or some other Beatles related name. And my parents were like, you're not taking this seriously enough. So she had to go with something else.

I forgot what I was going to say next. I'm sorry. No, that's a good sign that the show has reached its natural terminus. And it's now time to play.

Is that what they yelled? Everything just went blank. Everything just went completely black

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Out of the night, no, no

Better throw it loose

Better set me free Cause I'm a higher young Running free A little bit better than it used to be Cause I'm alive

I'm a warrior Cause I'm alive I'm a warrior Cause I'm alive I'm a warrior Cause I'm alive I'm a warrior

My name's Ted Lasso. I'm the new head coach for Tottenham Spurs. I've been brought over here to implement my coaching style. Football in the States is my specialty, but they have a different kind of football over here. There's a lot of small similarities. Any team I coach, they're going to play hard for all four quarters, okay?

Two halves.

What's that?

Two halves.

Okay, halves. They're going to play hard for two halves. And we're going to play until there's a winner and there's a loser.

Or a tie. What's that? A tie.

Okay, until there's a winner, a loser, or a tie. Yeah, do we have any goals this season? Absolutely. We're going to win a lot of games. We're going to get in the playoffs. No playoffs. There's no playoffs. Again, my job has got a lot easier. Has there been a learning curve? I would say a little bit. Who's orange shoes there? Gareth Bale. That's Gareth Bale. Where he's from? He's from England? Wales. Wales? Wait, that's another country? Yes and no. How many countries are in this country? Four. After a few days of practice, players gave me a nickname. Started small, but now they'll chant it at me every now and that's pretty nice. What's the nickname? Wanker. Do you know what it means? I think it just means great. Power out.