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So I'm glad to finally see your place. I hope I'm not disturbing you.

Oh, no. No, I'm just trying to come up with a new Wi-Fi network name, and it's pretty intimidating because yours is so good.

Oh, you look—muffins are tasty?

Uh, no. No, I liked when it was Madame Ovaries.

Oh. Yeah, no, I like that too, but it's like, you know, new roommate, new Wi-Fi network, so it was disappointing to let it go.

TBTN! uh it's funny it's uh it's not like a regular haha sitcom there's no laugh track there's no

audience very stylized it's not great it's fantastic you totally undersold it the pageantry

the costumes wow oh my god that is still good meat on that fish kid am i lying no i get it

You're joking. See? I'm cool. I get jokes.

That is something everyone cannot like together.

And let this be a lesson to you. Kids never learn.

Alright, hello, good morning, and welcome everyone to a Thursday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

Hey, where's the freaking gabagoo?

My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. Coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center in Portland, Oregon, where I'm looking out on the last bits of the beautiful fall colors that are now rapidly starting to drop off of the trees as we enter the long, bare, wet darkness. God, part of that sounded dirtier than I expected. known as winter in the Pacific Northwest. We have a great show in store for you today, of course, being that it's episode 3557 in a collector series.

Let the fun begin.

How could it not be a great episode? Of course, this podcast has been around for a long time, but, you know, podcasting as a medium has really taken off of late. We are living in the midst of a podcast boom. But I saw something on Twitter this morning that has me really questioning my abilities in the podcast space. I'm going to play for you the thing that's hitting a little too close to home for me when it comes to my podcasting ways. Oh, and then, speaking of, I don't know, the crossover of my professional and emotional life, I don't know if I'm emotionally prepared for this new movie, Come On, Come On, which is about a public radio host.

I'm in a glass case of emotion!

I was crying watching the trailer today. So I'll explain what's going on with that. Plus, it's a Thursday, a.k.a. Blur's Day. So we will celebrate the birthdays of some of the tens of listeners. And we'll do all that with the help of this young man, longest-running Cobra of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's baby-stepping. He's doing the work. He's an activist and a house party enthusiast.

I've got something to say

He's really got something to say this morning He's Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now From the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington Good morning my friend

Good morning Luke I wish I had thought about this 30 seconds earlier Just as you were introducing me I was coming up with like a wise saying And I want that wise saying to be something like If you're not at the top of the mountain Change mountains That's not perfect, but there's something.

You're really trying to capitalize on the hit of what do space horses mean?

What are you talking about? What's that? I have some updates for you.

Okay.

Let's start with space hay, because that's where this whole mountain analogy comes from. It has just come to my attention that with the influx of TBTL listeners joining space hay, Which, if you haven't been following this thread, dear listener This is the MySpace recreation website Recreated by a teenager in Germany It's exactly like the old MySpace We are now the number one podcast group on Space Hay With 41 members We are living in the midst of a podcast boom Listener Tracy started a TVTL 10s group on Space Hay And I have received notes from her and from listener Jamie in Mississippi alerting us that there is a podcast category of which we are a part. The TBTL 10s group on Space 8 has 41 members right now. And we actually have a lot more 10s than this 41. I think it's just a little hard to navigate so people don't realize about the group yet. We have 41 members. There's another group. Number two, without a bullet, is True Crime Junkies, which only has 11 members. And then Night Vale.

Night Vale only has eight members. And then Juggalo Drama Alert only has six. So maybe we aren't the number one podcast in America. Maybe we don't have the most downloads. But we found a new mountain, Luke. We found a new mountain. And it's space.

Hey, I need to drill down on Juggalo Drama Alert.

Yeah, you want me to jump in here? Let me see what this is about. I'll be honest with you. I didn't even notice that until I was already talking. Juggalo Drama Alert is your number one Juggalo podcast on the net Check us out on YouTube, TikTok IGTV and Facebook You help make this show So catch us live to vote on live polls And keep up with all the latest Juggalo drama online Click here to subscribe

I am going to subscribe to that But I also love that we finally found our mountain Yes

Join us on the mountain Go to space And I don't want to pressure people either I think that sometimes –

The number one show on Space Hay. The number one – Space Hay's number one podcast. Welcome to it, everyone.

I feel like every couple of years I come up with something like, hey, let's all move to Slack. Let's all do this. And then I think that causes agita in some people because I don't want to start another social media group, which is fine. Like there's no FOMO here. But if you're into it and if you have the time and if you feel like pretending it's 2003 like me and some other folks and you're just – you just have the time to devote. I would say log on to Space A, make yourself an account, look for me. My name is Radio Free Walsh. And then once you find my account, you'll find links to this TBTL page.

I mentioned this yesterday, but I wonder if you will be able to get the attention or if this TBTL podcast group will get the attention of On, the programmer in Germany. Because, again, Space A is not like Facebook or something where there are millions and millions of people. So if somebody gets, you know, jumps on there and suddenly has 100 friends and creates a group that's got, you know, 50 or 100 followers, I feel like he'll notice that or they will. I actually don't know On's gender, but the On, the designer, you may be on On's radar.

Maybe. You know, I don't know how big this is, and I'm trying to think back to the article.

Well, we know it's bigger than Juggalo drama.

Yeah, no, I mean the whole site itself, because it would be nice to think that this is a huge site and we are killing it at the game, right? Like, we should overestimate how big Space Hay is right now so that we can seem like big players in an even bigger game.

Right. Well, I've already changed my Twitter bio to be number one podcast on Space Hay.

I should do that on the TVTL Twitter. Okay, one other quick update I wanted to share with you. By the way, I am legit – you can probably hear in my voice. I am just legit stoked about Space A. I've been having so much fun. And one of the things – did I mention this to you? One of my favorite things about it is I don't think it has an app, right? Like there are no notifications. I like forgot about Space A for 12 hours while I was sleeping and, oh, and watching half of a movie that is relevant to your interest, which I'll tell you about in a second. But but then this morning I'm like, oh, what's going on on space? Hey, you know, like I said, just like checking your old voice, your answering machine back in the day. And I see, oh, we have a million notifications and we're trending the podcast. They didn't use the word trending back in 2003. But, you know, it's just like to see all this activity for the 12 hours while I had it off was very exciting. And my phone wasn't like ping, ping, pinging me all right, getting messages and what have you.

Right and that's part of the beauty of this thing Is that it does Harken back to a time where Yeah I remember going on MySpace But then I also remember not being on MySpace Whereas there is no time that I'm not on Twitter Yeah I mean like if my phone is near me Which is all the time Some part of my brain some corner of it is thinking about What's going on on Twitter Do I have a funny tweet did I put a tweet out there That's gaining some traction etc There's kind of no logging off from it But you logged off of Space Hay and then just came back to just find, like, a bunch of delightful little developments.

Exactly. I'm now on several tangents. In a moment, I want to tell you, I mentioned before the show, that we have a very good theory from a listener about why I woke up yesterday, or the past two mornings, with goofy songs in my head. But I just remembered that movie I partially watched last night was something I've been meaning to sit down and watch for a long time now, something that you recommended a long time ago. and I don't think you're going to be surprised at my reaction to it. Uh-oh. No, no, it's good. It is a good piece of filmmaking that I cannot watch in one setting. Do you have any idea what I might be alluding to? It's the end of the day. I just wanted to calm down a little bit. I had some puttering to do. Actually, no, that's not true. I was actually sitting down to watch.

watch it like I wasn't like just bopping around the kitchen whenever I sat down to watch this but

we do know that you're a self-described active television watcher in that even when you sit down to watch something you're probably getting up and doing things right okay no I'm just gonna be honest

because I'm talking around it I was rolling joints okay can we just say that I was like I had gone to the weed store don't you get us kicked off of space hay don't you get us kicked

off of space hay right when we're finally making it I realized if I talked around it I was just

going to it wasn't going to make any sense like i'm trying to explain to you that i was sitting down in a very specific mood and that's something that i do sometimes i'll sit down i'll put on a movie and i'll i'll i'll roll up some dubs and to me it's like kind of a you know it's a nice relaxing part of the day and it was like it was like eight o'clock on a wednesday i was like oh okay here i'll i'll do my little thing now so i sit down at my table i put on my i put open up my tablet um and i'm like what do i want to watch and i thought of several things and then i thought oh, I bet you this isn't the right mood for right now, but I really at some point need to watch Uncut Gems. Oh, my God. That movie, in one word, is unrelenting. And it's also long. It's two hours and 20 minutes, and I relented after about, I think I got an hour and a half into it. I got about half, well, no, I got about exactly halfway through. And again, I'm not saying it's not a good movie. It is a great movie. Like the movie, you know, evokes, is that the right word? The movie makes you feel a way that it is actively trying to make you feel. And the performances are very good. But it is like, I've never done cocaine. I have to say that now after admitting to rolling joints. But it feels like that might be what just like doing too much cocaine and just getting into too much trouble and never getting a moment to rest is like. Day three of Too Much Cocaine. It's like the opposite of me. It's just like he makes every decision. It's like, no, no, I can squeeze more out of this. I can squeeze more out of this. I can squeeze more out of this. And it is just chaos. And it is fast-paced. And the music that drives underneath everything. Oh, my God.

The soundtrack is incredible.

It's amazing filmmaking that I need to watch in two parts because at a certain point I'm like, I will never get to sleep tonight if I keep watching this. Like, I stopped it. I don't think this is a spoiler. Um, but you will know, Luke, this part of the movie, I finally stopped it when Kevin Garnett gets locked in the antechamber coming into the jewelry store where he's, it's literally claustrophobic there and everybody's screaming and he's trapped in there. They're trying to unlock the door. I'm just like, I'm out. I tagged out for the evening. I'm like, I will come back to this, but I can't anymore.

Man, I love that movie so much. How much of, how much of me do you see in that Howie character though?

Well, I was I was thinking about that because you were the person who I knew the movie was out there and I've seen a lot of memes like I'm just being honest here. Like I was thinking about you watching the movie, but I don't know if I would have been if it wasn't because I knew how much you like the movie and how much we talked about the movie. And so I automatically was thinking about you when I sat down to watch. I'm like, oh, I'll watch this and then Luke and I can talk about it. You know what I mean? So I do think, though, as far as personality types, like now he's he's made so many bad decisions on, you know, just in there. And he's it seems like just completely irresponsible in a certain way. But this main character also does achieve a certain amount of success. Clearly, he's successful in a certain way. And he is successful because good enough is never good enough. You know, he's always got to double down on something or increase this. Literally. It's like, yes, like literally and figuratively. Whereas I was thinking, you know, I was actually even thinking, like, then what if you made a movie about me? Like, what if somebody was like, look at this guy letting opportunities pass him by constantly while he's rolling joints on a Wednesday and then playing a baseball game to calm down after not being able to make it through a movie that was too energetic for him? Like, I really want my life. That would be kind of also sad.

I really don't want you to finish the movie, though, because it's yeah, I will. It's it's it's really good. The movie is so good. Yeah, I watched that. movie is like some kind of bizarre self-soothing for me and I don't know why I think it's because I have tendencies that are similar to the Adam Sandler character in that film who if you haven't seen Uncut Gems he is this guy who runs this jewelry business in New York but he's also a compulsive gambler and every single minute of his day something else is catching on fire and he's trying to put it out but every fire that he puts out however kind of temporarily just creates a different fire that he then has to put out i mean it is like you said andrew it's unrelenting i also really like your use of the word relenting you said you relented yeah you don't hear that as much like like we could say this is a

We'll be right back.

This is a relentingly entertaining podcast that we make.

Yeah, that's right.

We've relented on being entertaining, and in fact, it's going to be kind of boring. Exactly, yeah. But it's a very, as you said, Andrew, it's a very stressful movie to watch. I think maybe because even in my most frenetic moments of my life, I've never found myself in the situations he finds himself in. and like my relationship with gambling is I like it I probably like it a little too much I don't ever gamble money that I don't have I'm not I don't have a bookie I'm not getting loans to make bets you know it's more like an annoyance if I if I maybe lose some money on the machine I'm like oh that was that was a dumb idea but it's it's it's not where his is at and so something about watching him in every facet of his life that's just so out of control it's like I kind of feel like okay well I'm just sitting in my apartment by myself watching this just i'm going to get up tomorrow morning and go to work my life is actually pretty calm compared to this fictional character i think that's why i enjoy

watching it didn't you though bet a diamond encrusted furby that penny hart would get the

first touchdown and you know how close that came to coming in he was the target of a flea flicker and he was open and if russell wilson would have just like been able to see him and throw the i I would have won $700 on a $5 bet that Penny Hart scored the first touchdown of the game against Green Bay.

I think it was $7.55, wasn't it? Like, on a $5 bet. I was watching that game with Camaro Kev, and we knew about your $5 bet. And we're like, no, are you kidding me?

I know, right? Like, that would have been – well, again, this is why I want you to finish Uncut Gems at some point. Because, again, there are some lows, and there are some highs, and there are some in-betweens in that film. I'm trying to be vague because I don't want to give anything away. But yeah, I really do love that movie. Also, on the subject of rolling joints, I saw something on TikTok the other day that almost made me want to look into that sort of relaxing activity because Seth Rogen has created a joint rolling tray. You know how he makes all kinds of things now out of like ceramics that are related to marijuana? I did not know that. He has a company. and I have to say the stuff is really cool I can't imagine he sort of makes you know he doesn't make all of it he must have it outsourced but it started from him just getting into ceramics and making some things and then putting them up for sale I think my guess would be he designs the prototypes of these various things but he designed will you just google Seth Rogen joint rolling tray and again I just saw I think on TikTok or maybe it was Twitter but him kind of demonstrating this little thing that he made and it looked so kind of functional that i was like man if i smoked pot i would if i rolled joints i would get that thing it's not my aesthetic

i can't say that word i gotta find a better word that i can pronounce that means that um it's what's that just say vibe yeah you're right it's not really my vibe it's not really my s vibic um is that better if you spit out my coffee which is not cool it's a big i'm about to hit play on this video, but it looks like a big, like you said, I guess it's clay, very busy looking tray with, um, it's kind of thick and heavy looking. And there's, um, it's almost like a school lunch tray, only it's round, but it's got kind of like divots in it where you can separate things out. Let's see what old Seth has to say about this right now. Hi, it's Seth. And if you're

like me, you roll a lot of joints, so many joints that you decided you had to invent your own rolling tray to accommodate your joint rolling needs. So here's the all-in-one joint rolling tray from houseplant okay so a little grinder grinder that works like this we have a paper dispenser so you just get your papers out like that so that's almost like a like if you had a

built-in like tissue box you know what i mean or a post-it note puller exactly load up your joint you roll it up i don't want to become a stoner show for what it's worth he's rolling a joint

and then you get your filters from your little filter holder here you twist that up you put that in your joint

you can hear him breathing I think he smokes a lot of pot you think? yeah he didn't give me an ashtray now there's a little built-in

um i i was very i have to say uh i thought that this seemed very kind of functional and

interesting it's functional interesting it looks heavy and clunky and i don't really like the way it looks though right like the design i don't mind it i'm kind of into that chaos i think i'm

more in more into that more into that vibe i'm sorry that vibe static than you are there you go but uh

And you know me, it's like most of the activities I do are just excuses to purchase things that are related to the activities.

Right, right, right. But most of those are aspirational as in they're going to be better for you in some way. I'm going to go hiking more. I'm going to go camping more. I'm going to, you know, I'm going to drink more water. I don't think that you need to buy this. Like you are aspirational. Like I've heard you say many times on this, many, but several times on the show, you're like, well, someday I'll smoke weed. I'm working my way up to it. And I'm just like, well, can't you just, like, work your way up to something better than another vice? Like, don't do that. And, again, I'm not over here trying to throw rocks at glass houses.

No, you know, I wish that I'd like to say hello to my nieces who are listening, and especially Marion, whose birthday it is today. Happy birthday. A little early Blur's Day message to my actual niece. Stay in our leaves here. Yeah, that's right. But, listen, I wish I liked weed more and alcohol less. So when I say I aspire to smoke weed, I guess what I say is I aspire to drink less. But yes, my assumption is my assumption is that then that that the pie chart will have more marijuana in it and less alcohol in it, I guess, or something. Yeah, because I do see a lot of people. I mean, obviously, there are people that that have a problem with the amount of marijuana that they consume, and it's probably not great for their life. And then there are the people I mean, honestly, Seth Rogen would appear to be kind of living his best life. like he is a very prolific filmmaker he uh you know is always creating things and seems i've never seen the guy in a bad mood and he loves he loves he started this company house plant which is gangbusters i mean it's like i think it's hugely successful now he'll probably at some point sell not unlike cluny and randy gerber selling casamigos tequila for like a billion dollars after they just started it to make christmas presents do you know that whole story no i don't know this at all they were okay do you know you know about this tequila brand that they

had right it rings a bell i know a lot of celebrities go in for that this was i think

kind of on the earlier part of that so apparently you know george clooney and his exceptionally um successful and conventionally attractive friends like to get together in mexico around christmas time and uh so they were going down to i don't know someone's estate and they thought it would be fun if they actually just started making some tequila by which they mean you know hire a local tequila maker to make some tequila and then they were going to give it to friends as christmas presents and it was going to i think the house was called like casa amigos or something and so they did and it was a hit and everyone liked it and then they said we could probably sell this and i think their investment i feel like their initial investment was something shockingly low like in the neighborhood of a quarter of a million dollars which is a lot of money to us normal people but like they then sold it eventually for i believe it was about a billion dollars the brand casamigos was so popular i could be slightly off with my numbers yeah but it just went from a like wouldn't this be fun to give people a bottle of tequila that we made for them For Christmas to here's an extra Billion dollars now of course George Clooney Put all of the money he made from it Into this non-profit that He that his wife I think more than him Runs that like helps like people Who are like human trafficked or something so The good news is all of that money it would Seem is actually going to more than Just lining his bank account But anyway Where was I going with that and so

You were talking about Seth Rogen oh you Said maybe right like I'm sure that this Seth Rogen

Pot thing or it's not pot It's the stuff that you use to enjoy your pot. I'm sure that will end up being something that he can if he wants to sell the brand and make a bunch of money on. And I guess my larger point is he seems like life is going OK for him. Like if you show me someone who consumes as much alcohol as the amount of marijuana that Seth Rogen consumes, and I don't think you're showing me someone whose life is particularly great.

Yes, you're probably you're probably right about that. Yes.

So I just I guess my point is for some people and I don't I don't know the science on this and I'm not trying to make any blanket statements or tell anyone how to live their life or particularly children who are listening. But there are some people who seem to have a very comfortable relationship with a very large amount of marijuana in their life and it sort of goes OK for them again in a way that anything else like it wouldn't any other drug you can name including alcohol you'd be a disaster.

And for some reason, weed for some people works. But nobody tell my parents about this conversation.

Have you ever broached that with your parents? And you don't have to answer this question if it's too personal. I know that there are people in your family who are in recovery and things like that. So maybe it's an extra sensitive topic. But is that the kind of thing you would ever be comfortable with discussing with your parents?

No. My parents are just from a different generation. We don't even really talk about it. My guess is my parents.

Here's the closest I've gotten into a conversation with my folks about marijuana is I remember in the 90s watching the movie Copland. Maybe it was the early 2000s. The movie came out in the 90s, but I know that I watched it on VHS is my point. And then talking about Copland with my dad at one point, and I believe like and I love the movie Copland, and I think my dad really liked it, too. We actually this movie came up on the show the other day, and there's a lot to talk about that movie. But I remember one of the first things my dad mentioned was that he didn't like the scene where Janine Garofalo, who is a police officer, is like, like on her off time is smoking a joint in her hotel room. And I remember thinking, like, that's an interesting takeaway from that movie.

Also, you you have an encyclopedic knowledge of every Janine Garofalo film. Like, I wasn't aware that she was in the movie Copland. I think I only know that she was in the truth about cats and dogs because of the famous story of your of your poster that, you know, I'm sorry.

I'm thinking of the truth about cops and robbers. I'm sorry. And we've got our show title. I love it. The truth about cops and robbers. Copland is a great movie. I think that I mean, I haven't watched it in a little bit, but I've watched it like in the past probably five years or so. And my recollection is it holds up. That is a well-constructed movie with a lot of good performances. That's got Ray Liotta in it, too, I think.

Yeah, Sylvester Stallone.

Stallone. My favorite Stallone role, probably. That or the First Blood.

More than Oscar. His attempt at comedy that did not go particularly well in the 80s.

Oh, was that like when the governator was doing things like Kindergarten Cop?

I think it was around that time.

So he's like, well, I want to get a piece of this, too.

And the thing is, by all accounts, Sylvester Stallone is actually pretty funny in real life. And so I guess it kind of It stood to reason that he'd be able to pull off a comedy But my memory also is that It was, that movie was kind of a big flop For whatever reason

Now was he also in Don't Throw Mama from the train No, that's Billy Crystal I thought he was

Well wait, is he also in that though? Because there's like three people trying to throw mama from a train, right? I just remember the VHS cover It's like three people looking I think around a door or off the back of a train

And one is Mama, though, I think. Mama is the woman from Goonies, I think. And I think it might be, is it Danny DeVito and Billy Crystal? I really don't know. But I guess my broader point was, like, because I remember that Arnold Schwarzenegger sort of shocked the world when he started doing some of these lighthearted movies with Danny DeVito, like Twins and Kindergarten Cop. And they were huge successes. And then I think that's when other action stars were like, hey, maybe I can do this, too. That was my Sylvester Stallone It wasn't the best That wasn't bad

Someone emailed us the other day and said they love our impressions And they want us to do them more and with more commitment

Well you're good I mean I think you're throwing yourself

That's absolutely not true I have to give the listeners what they want And what they want are more Chris Walken impressions from me I'm now looking at the cover of Throw Mama from the Train I couldn't have been more off Andrew I don't know why my No you know what stop or my mom will shoot That's it

Stallone. That's it. I knew we had something to do with mom. We've had this conversation before, haven't we? Right now, Chris Hayes is in a subway station somewhere saying we've had this conversation before. Nope, you're thinking of Stop for My Mama.

But the Throw Mama from the Train, the iconic Throw Mama from the Train VHS cover is very weird, too. It's a depressed looking Billy Crystal sitting on the train tracks. And then DeVito is imploring him to, I guess, throw mama from the train And then the mom I think her name is like Ann Ramsey Is actually the name of that actor From Goonies Is standing behind DeVito By the way looming over Danny DeVito Which really speaks to just how diminutive I tell you I saw Danny DeVito and Rhea Perlman once In Los Angeles And first of all it just warmed my heart Because I love both of them And Danny DeVito is impossibly small Just I am just surprised That like he shows up on film he is a very very diminutive person are they still together that's such no they're not which

is a real bummer that's such a good celebrity couple i'm sorry i had to bring that up but

anyway the cover of throw mama from the train it's i find it so fascinating that this is what they went with because again it doesn't really tell the story or even evoke the mood it almost looks like if you if you took throw mama from the train off if you took the lettering those words And this really only works if you're looking at this photo That I'm talking about So this is why this is terrible podcasting But you could write a different movie title Over this photo And it could be a completely different Like it could be called like We have to talk about Terry

In other words it doesn't It doesn't evoke comedy. It doesn't evoke comedy at all.

It looks like someone is dealing with emotional issues and the people in their life are trying to help them as they're sitting on these train tracks. Because I remember that movie being highly comedic and on a train and kind of like sort of madcap. That was my impression of the movie having seen it many, many years ago. This looks more like a cry for help kind of film.

I do think it's a dark comedy. I mean, I guess that's in the title, right? And I do, I mean, it is about murder, I think. Most foul? I can't remember. Or second most foul? I can't remember. Have a most foul Thanksgiving. That's going to be a greeting card with a big picture of a turkey. Most space turkeys eat. I want to leave it on that note, but let me just. Do electric space turkeys dream? Let me go back to one thing that I wanted to tell you. I woke up the last two days with just unexplainable songs in my head, right? Yeah. The Spice Girls' Wannabe was a couple of days ago, and then Madonna's, was it like, yeah, Like a Prayer. Great song, by the way. Great song. And it took me a long time to realize that, oh, Like a Prayer is going on in my head since I woke up. And this was like an hour or 45 minutes after I woke up. And then I got this note from our friend Rold, who says, just wondering.

Wait, can I ask you something very quickly? is is is rold's theory related to dreams no it's much i was gonna play the dream court thing oh

no but do you remember the industry that rold works in yes the uh grocery industry just wondering if you've been to safeway the past few days all the safeways have the same music pumping through the speakers i don't know if you wear headphones when you shop i do not because i like to have a sense of my surroundings um i don't like getting people's way sometimes i would hear wannabe and like a prayer they're on heavy rotation sometimes i would hear them twice in an eight hour shift the songs burrow into the ear holes and subconsciously implant themselves into my brain i have hummed many a phil collins song not knowing why and realizing the next day it's because it was being played at work just a theory i am buying this theory rolled i think you are absolutely right i have been at safeway the past couple of days for various things and that makes a lot of sense gosh our listeners are the best aren't they yes i really i feel like this is

fascinating good answer yes i that reminds me of when i worked at dick's drive-in in high school and i would time my day by the second time let it be by the beatles would play because when that came on i only had i think like 45 minutes or something left of my shift um because i really hated that job god did i hate that job i think i don't know why because lots of people love working and in fact it's a good place to work i mean they pay a really fair wage and you know it's not a bad job at all but i just i was just lazy as a teenager i did not like standing there eight hours a day slinging burgers and so i would try all these different tactics to pass the time sometimes it would be obsessively check the clock like look at the clock every two minutes and then sometimes it would be totally don't look at the clock ignore it like never look at the clock until i hear let it be for the second time and then i know i'm kind of in the home

stretch i would listen to the classic rock station a lot but now so this is different this isn't music being pumped into the company but when i was working at the fiberglass factory in college and i think i would do it like during the the school semester i would only work there maybe four hours after school but then during breaks i would do like full eight hour shifts but i remember it was the night shift that i would do i think it would be like after my um after my classes for the day i drive out to was it streetsboro i can't remember where the where this company was and i would um and i would you know start grinding fiberglass into fiberglass dust and i'd be blasting 98.5 i can't remember the call letters but it was the cleveland classic rock station And inevitably, inevitably, at some point during my shift, she talks to angels by the Counting Crows would come on, which wasn't the worst thing. You would think Black Crows or Black Crows. I'm sorry. Not Counting Crows. No, that was my head. See, you're learning it. You're leaning into it and learning into it. But yeah, I'm sorry about the Black Crows. And you would think that the end of the story would be like, and now I can't listen to it. But that's not true. I actually like that song. I think it's the best Black Crows song.

Oh, dude. That album, that kind of first big album from them, Southern, I think it's called Southern. That's the second one. Southern, but that one isn't the one that says, that has She Talks to Angels on it, right? Southern Musical Harmony Company or something?

Companion, I think, was in there.

I listened to that like probably a couple months ago because I just heard a song from them. That album, that Black Crowes album was in heavy rotation in my life.

In college I think I loved that record And I went back and listened It was pretty good actually That doesn't have that song on it though Just for the record It does not have that song No, no On the subject of Black Yeah, I would agree with you though Like the first one is You know, it's got like Hey little thing Let me light your candle You know, that cover Hard to handle the Otis Redding cover Right, exactly And that's got that And She Talks Angels On their first one Which is good Like that's a good You know, like rock and roll record I don't think I'd really Usually just kind of Pop it on today But Southern Harmony And Musical Companion Dude, Remedy That's what it is Yeah, that album yeah their sophomore record really like they kind of that's where they develop their real

kind of i think identity right yeah and then i you know i haven't followed them a lot since then i know that i think they they uh they broke up for a while i got back together but man i would i would

see a counting crows black crows double bill oh wow yeah it's a lot of crows but yeah yeah but

that's fine i mean i'm i'm in i'm into it okay let's do this let's take a quick break and then we come back andrew i want to play you some audio that has me really that feels like it hits a little too close to home for me in terms of um my podcasting ability and uh we'll also do some blurs days because it is a thursday so stick around for all of that coming up here on tbtl i legit was expecting in my mind for those to be the first notes from remedy oh do you want to oh should we have no no no no no this is good but it's just funny because ever ever since we started talking about that song my brain has just been playing the song in my head? Let's go out with Remedy. Yeah, man. That's all I want. The other thing that I want to do now is thank some donors of the day. These are the people making today's episode possible with their support. Danielle Fontenot in Bremerton, Washington. Just a hop, skip, and a jump from where my folks are over there in the Silverdale. Thanks, Danielle. Also, Reed Schumann is in Lafayette, Colorado. I wonder if Lafayette, Colorado, is named for General Lafayette, the Frenchman who came and fought in the Revolutionary War for the U.S. and then became kind of a hero. So there's many, many towns named Lafayette for that one dude.

Do you want me to look it up, see if they have a statue?

And I don't think, don't quote me on this, but as of right now, I don't think Lafayette is considered to be problematic yet.

You know what I mean

Like I think that Lafayette statues Seem relatively safe at this point I see what you're saying yes Because just about every other one I mean did you hear The Audubon Society is Is not going to be called The Audubon Magazine They're dropping Audubon Because apparently Audubon was a terrible person Outside of his love for birds Like the loving of birds Positive The everything else Not so great it turns out

The treating other human beings a certain way

Not so great Not his strong suit. I forget the specific issues, but at first I was like, really? I thought I heard this headline on NPR. They were saying the Audubon Society is changing its name, and I thought they were just trying to make it sexier. They were going to call it birds, but there's no I in it. They're changing their name to BRDS. Right, or A, the magazine. Right, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Something that just seems more, because I had written the entire story in my head of why the name was being changed for the totally the wrong reasons. Like, ah, shit, everything's... No one wants to subscribe to something called Audubon because they don't know what it is. So now they have to, like, do some zazzling up of their name. No, it's just because the guy was bad news.

By the way, Lafayette was founded in 1888 by Mary Miller. She and her husband, Lafayette Miller, had moved to the area to farm land they had purchased from Denver Coal Speculators. The farm also included land acquired by Mary's brother, James Foote, and their father, James Foote, I assume, senior in the Homestead Act. I won't continue, but it looks like it.

I would love to get into coal speculation at some point. Well, now would be a great time to do it. Sure. Absolutely. I just want to be, I want to get into business where I can say I'm a speculator. I mean, because it's really just gambling, but it just sounds cooler.

Yeah. I don't really know what futures are, but I often talk about speculating on futures.

Yeah. Hey, Stacey Sledge. is in Bellingham. Whatcom Talks' Stacey Sledge, friend of the show. Thank you, Stacey, for supporting this thing. Janelle Thorstad is in Tacoma, Washington, also making a donation. And then Anna Barnett is in Walnut Creek, California. And finally, where would we be without Julia Bush in Providence, Rhode Island? Thank you, Julia. Thank you to all of our donors today for making TBTL possible. We absolutely would not be here reminiscing about the Black Crows without you.

hello and welcome to top story i um saw something on twitter this morning andrew that uh that really uh kind of it was very funny but it also uh maybe hit a little bit close to home it's uh posted by a comedian named kim quindlin okay i'm just going to play it for you and get your reaction this is the headline on the video literally any podcast host asking their guest

a question okay so here we go here's a question i'm sure you get asked all the time because i personally get asked it all the time and i would say that we're in similar creative fields although obviously compared to you i am nothing but compared to others i am something right now when you look at my question for you i say because you have to take into context everything in the zeitgeist so when that for example meaning look at books look at articles look at you know for example films movies marvel language duolingo music spotify ev electric are you familiar with uh so cars i dabble in cars if you're familiar and and the reason i'm giving all that context is because I do want to reference a few New Yorker articles that I've either written or read personally or have been mentioned in. And I want to know, coming from someone with your background, with the many awards that you've achieved, and in reference, if it's helpful, I also have achieved some awards, not obviously all of the awards that you've achieved, but who shall see we shall see and looking at it from the perspective of an artist who shall see

we're halfway through the question by the way just so you know artist as you are and i would say

as i am and also my dad would say that i'm an artist i want to know through what lens you see and full disclosure we are sponsored by lens crafters so through the lens sponsored by lens crafters if you were going to look how long before that's something we have to start doing on

this show right there's some kind of integrated content where we have to ask people what through which lens crafter lens are they looking at this larger societal issue this for example through

let's say a concave mirror and a compact mirror if you've ever done science and you think about how that's changed you know my point being and i am to say which is why how do you understand when it comes and also with bringing into the discussion big pharma how so there you go

from kim quindlin literally any podcast host asking their guest a question oh i see a lot of myself in that and that's why we don't have guests that's why we've stopped having guests even on live wire though which is you know released as a podcast as well uh i it is very challenging for someone like me to ask a brief question and to not just give a ton of attempted, you know, attempts at context and bringing myself into it and, you know, all of that stuff. I will write out a question that I'm going to ask on Livewire, and I will look at it, and it's an entire paragraph. But it's because I'm not confident enough to just ask simple questions. Like Terry Gross generally, it would seem, just kind of asks pretty direct questions, and they're pretty short because she has actually she's confident in what she's asking i am not confident therefore i need a whole paragraph well i mean i have some thoughts on this i just don't

think they're interesting if i'm being honest with you but like through which lens i'm not even joking like i just i i mean i i will respond to this but i i warn you that this is not interesting But, I mean, what – that's going to come back to haunt me, isn't it? We're going – this is a podcast where you and I – it's, like, ultra-conversational, right? That's the whole point of it. And a lot of podcasts are like that as well. And so – and just shows, right? Radio shows. Like, It's Been a Minute is kind of similar as well. And that's, like – I think of that more as a radio show. And we really cherish the conversational nature of it And when we're talking to somebody And not interviewing them When you're just in person talking to somebody over over dinner or something like it's not a sharp honed question all the time right like you might say you might be telling a story and then say this is something that happened to me today and then they'll respond and then questions will come out of that and you'll go back and forth and back and forth and so the issue isn't I think sometimes talking too much or even even in some cases centering yourself in a conversation to give the other person a chance to respond to it i personally run into issues when i start feeling nervous and then it becomes like an interview let me give you two examples and again just just to get everybody's expectations in the right place this answer does not get any more interesting so i'll wrap it up quickly here but um what it's so rare that we have people on the show well just the other day we we had bill and jen on the show right like they're the yeah they're the perfect example of friends they're friends those weren't interviews at all Jen used to you know run this show so they're not that's not an interview at all or go back to Davey Rothbart has it been a year since we had him on you know but he's not somebody who I'm in contact with at all I hadn't talked to him in years he's really good at kind of remembering people but I wouldn't say that we're friends but that was a very conversational show we had with him talking about his documentary but like it was a pretty good back and forth then go back several years ago the last time we had ira glass on the show and i'm still embarrassed about that i'm embarrassed also because i saw some people saying things on like twitter or something that like really really nailed exactly how i felt in the interview which was like awkwardly somebody was like it was so cringy listening to andrew talk to ira glass i'm like yes no no but it's right they're right though like i can hear why would

they need to put that even if they thought that was the case why would they feel the need to go

on twitter and say that i'm not 100 sure that that was twitter it might have i i don't i don't think that it was like hey andrew like it wasn't like at me you know what i mean like it was just like there was some chatter somewhere it might have been facebook i think it i don't think i was on facebook then it doesn't matter i'm getting i'm getting off it might have been on space a space hey is a safe space hey um but uh anyway i'm not mad at whoever whoever said that they nailed it like i was so in my head about that and i oh that's right because they even mentioned like they kind of quoted my question or something which was like so ira when and i was very much like a worse version of that woman we just heard you know what i mean like so when you think about the radio of the future and the past and what we do you know it was like it was that and like i think the thing is like maybe the bigger the name or the more you're in your head about it the more it becomes an interview as opposed to somebody who's on your show to talk a little bit. Oh, Chris is a pretty good example. Like, you know, Chris Hayes comes on. He's our most famous friend, right? He'll hop on, but it usually does not feel like an interview to me. It's us just cutting it up.

Right, and it helps, too, that he obviously knows the show very well. The more that somebody knows, again, in the rare instance that we have guests anymore, the more the person has some sense of our show, I think the more relaxed we both are because we don't have to constantly try to explain what everything is or, you know, give context for everything.

I guess that's the same as the dinner, maybe the dinner example then too. Like if you and I go have a meal somewhere together, it's not awkward at all, unless you make it awkward. No, but it's not awkward at all because it's just you and I, we know each other, we're friends. But if we were meeting somebody for the first time over dinner, there's going to be an awkwardness there and there is going to be a little bit more of a like, I have to ask you a question now and you have to ask me a question because we're starting from nowhere or starting from nothing, I should say.

You know what is an issue for me, and this has been brought up to me by people who I am with, is if I am in a social setting and it's people that I don't know particularly well, like if it's you, me, Vives, and Camaro Kev at the Eagles, I don't do this. But if it's me and I don't know, a group of people who I know a little bit, but maybe not super well, I shift into interview mode where I end up running a talk show that nobody asked to be a part of where I'm asking questions of everyone. because generally speaking my default setting if i'm kind of nervous is just to ask other people questions and get them talking or if i'm feeling slightly awkward and then i'm kind of going around the table and i'm i end up running this conversation where it's like it's like a late night talk show and there's a couch and everyone's on the couch being interviewed as and i don't even realize i'm doing it and it's just my way of if i feel mildly anxious about the situation of just kind of i

guess controlling it and feeling less anxious yeah I don't know if I do that but my instinct is very I don't like when I'm when I'm just like chit-chatting with somebody like I don't like talking about myself I whatever I don't know if that's accurate or not but like if I don't know somebody that well like I'm thinking of here's the best example like when I'm doing like a

Sunday volunteer thing often we'll be standing outside you know just waiting for somebody to come up so we can give them some food and we're just sitting around talking and we're not like good friends but we kind of know each other I would I will always try to push the conversation towards what are what's going on in their lives what are they doing I love talking about people's work I hate talking about my work and I hate I hate when people say what did you talk about on the show this week or something like that like I I I just cannot hold up that kind of conversation I'm actually legitimately interested in hearing about, like, sometimes the details of people's employment or whatever they do just because it's kind of interesting. You're like, you don't think it's interesting, but it's a whole new world to me, and I find that sort of interesting. But, yeah, so I don't know. I haven't noticed you going into interview mode necessarily. I might not be around for that stuff. I hope I don't do that, but I definitely do everything I can to steer the conversation towards them telling me stuff as opposed to vice versa.

Have you seen the trailer for this new film, Come On, Come On?

No, I saw this in the show sheet today, and then I looked it up. The name of the director looks familiar, Mike Mills, not the R.E.M. Mike Mills, but I didn't recognize his earlier projects.

Part of why you might recognize his name is because Air named a song for him. There is a song on, I think it's Talkie Walkie, the Air album. Is that what the name of that album is? called mike mills it's actually named for the dude that was i was like i know this name why do i know this name and then i heard a mandelite del barco did this really great piece on morning edition today interviewing uh the writer director of this this film come on come on which so many people have been sending me andrew like the the trailer because it's everything that hits me hard emotionally it's like a it's a movie it's it seems like it's a very quiet film it's about parenting uh it's got it's shot in black and white it's joaquin phoenix the music that they're using is i think the song is claire de lune it's very beautiful let me just play you a little bit of this i don't know if this will really translate to audio actually you know what yeah that's a little rough i'm gonna play it from my yeah i i will never solve the mystery of why youtube specifically sounds bad when i play it but why don't you can you play it from your end yeah i

I don't know if this is the same exact one. When you think about the future, how do you imagine it'll be?

Oh, this is beautiful.

What will stay with you? And what will you forget? How will your city change? Will families be the same? He keeps asking me why we don't talk. you could tell him the truth mom died and got into all that weird stuff that weird stuff of

our entire lives what scares you jesse where'd you go what makes you angry do you feel lonely

maybe we can just take this process slowly and see see how it feels you are just terrible at this oh man i'm trying

it almost sounds like a parody of an art house film but i have to tell you It was working on me. So this piece that Mandelit did today when talking to Mike Mills was he basically the Joaquin character, Phoenix, is a basically this American Life producer type person host who's named Johnny, but who's kind of a version of Ira Glass. And I guess the premise is he's doing a radio project where they're interviewing children for some, you know, unnamed or maybe it's named, but for some kind of made up public radio type of thing. Molly Webster, who actually works for Radiolab, is also in the film. So this is this big kind of, I don't know, it's got heavy duty public radio overtones to it. And it's got these actors who also Gabby Hoffman is in it, who I am a huge fan of. she's just like incredible um so it's like i i could i could watch this and think this is almost a parody of like a of a very intense indie kind of film but man every element of it was totally right down to the like handheld camera like i don't think they probably let a tripod anywhere near this shoot it's all just you know a very kind of shaky handheld you know very verite kind

of camera work it looks incredible to me in a really rich black and white yeah no this reminds me the i mean this is the exact kind of movie that i i'm gonna say used to because i feel like i don't do this anymore but like when i lived on capitol hill what was that um

independent theater it closed down now but it was right on the corner this is so specific right in the corner of roy and broadway there yeah um i can't remember but it's like your perfect old school kind of art house theater i would go sit up in the balcony and i'd often be like the only person in the balcony and i would either go watch a movie like this or i'd watch a movie that had this exact trailer playing before the movie i was about to see you know what i mean like that is a whole yes this is a whole genre of film by the way the harvard exit was the name of that yeah harvard exit i missed that theater so much i mean i i don't know of any other theaters with balconies anymore that i could just go up and just like on a saturday afternoon watch something

like this because genevieve's not going to put up with it you eat an apple like in the simpsons i

think when they go to the art house theater sounds about right but no that's very weirded out that

someone's eating an apple in the movie theater instead of like a thing of popcorn nope that's

where it ends for me gluttony rains i will still be eating way too much popcorn i also feel like

this is the kind of film that it doesn't seem like this kind of film gets made anymore maybe it's getting made and it's on netflix or something you know so it's like still being made but there was a time where you and i could go to i mean i went to in college and and in my 20s i went to a lot of like art house movie theaters to see films just like this kind of quiet dialogue driven movies and it just doesn't seem like that's a thing anymore because there's like it's so expensive to distribute a film to put a film in movie theaters it costs so much that you just can't do it with a film that's only going to generate uh two hundred thousand dollars at the

box office yeah and like you said with all of the direct to streaming services like um i think of like marriage story i didn't watch marriage story that also seemed like a movie that would kind of

stress me out a little bit uh too much were i not in the midst of my actual divorce i probably would

have been more intrigued by it i mean that looks like such a you know such an emotional punch in the gut um anyway so yeah i didn't watch that one but that seemed like that that could have maybe fit in this category a little bit as well but i think that way that was like a i don't know it was one of the streaming services right didn't that go directly to netflix or hbo or something

probably and i think that was early pandemic is that true when that was first it feels like it was that's a pandemic thing yeah um the other thing that that mike mills said to mondelite today or I should say a clip that they played in the piece was where Joaquin Phoenix is reading something to his I guess the character is not actually his son it's his nephew so it's his sister Gabby Hoffman's child who he's kind of bonding with and he's reading a story to the kid and he's crying Joaquin Phoenix is and he's trying he doesn't want the kid to see it like he's just feeling kind of emotional from the story and the kid kind of busts him on it and I was like that was so much of my parenting experience oh really just like you know putting addy to sleep and like maybe singing her a little song or reading her one of these books and just feeling the emotion of the situation or even like driving and you know listening to a song and we're like holding hands and just it's just kind of a sort of perfect moment and i you know very uh responsive to that kind of stuff and i just remember a lot of instances of my parenting days where i was out of happiness just kind of low-key crying but not wanting addy to see it because it would be kind of probably not the most like not the not the most reassuring thing to look over and see that your father and your protector in life is just

you know crying about half of the time well that's an interesting take i wonder if that i wonder if that thinking holds up i understand why i understand what you mean like a kid a kid always wants to feel and it's our responsibility as adults and i would assume guardians and parents to make the kids feel secure, right, and safe. And so if you're crying, could that upset them because it maybe shows a weakness or an insecurity in their life if their protector is showing a moment of weakness? But you could also see a world in which if you're raising your kids in this environment where it's like, yeah, sometimes we get emotional and we cry and that's okay, that might be a much healthier way to raise a kid.

Probably would be actually when you lay it out like that. I mean, you know, obviously everyone should be feel safe and comfortable in having their emotions, you know. But but yeah, I just that like that for me was the last little lanyard of this film and my life being I don't think that I am Ira Glass and I don't think I'm a character in this film. But it's like this is a film that was kind of it feels like written with me in mind about people who I if I don't actually know them, I know a version of them. You know what I mean? Or I'm one Kevin Bacon away from most of the things in this film.

I'll tell you one thing. Don't go to see this movie with Addie because you are going to be a mess and she's going to bust you.

The last thing, the last movie I saw, I think with Addie, like in a theater, was that.

movie blaze which is this bio this amazing biopic of a singer named blaze foley uh the movie was directed by ethan hawk of all people and it is so good i i feel like this movie is criminally underappreciated um blaze foley was this really uh kind of a amazing songwriter who never himself had a ton of fame but um but he had dealt with you know the drinking problems and just like life stuff but he was influential on a lot of like other artists people like lucinda williams and others anyway um i saw that movie with them and i swear to god from the like third minute into the film i started crying and i didn't stop until the movie was over i couldn't even explain it like i don't know what it's a beautiful film and there are some parts of it that are sad but a lot of parts of it that are really happy and like it's a lovely movie that i think everyone should see but it just it just for some reason got me and i was just like sitting next i was addy and carrie and i was just sitting there like sobbing quietly for about 1.5 hours you weren't wrapped with sobs though right it's probably just a quiet little i i'd have to ask her but she's asked she's said

that we're not going to any more movies yeah let's just not do that yeah it was really um when you started crying at the ice capades that really seal the deal. Blurs, blurs. Time for some blurs days. I think a lot of people realize that next week we will probably be on tape for the Thanksgiving holiday. We'll have a show. Oh, right. So we won't be doing blurs days next week. So a lot of people, I think, got theirs in advance. And for those of you who didn't, feel free to send them in for the following Thursday. But let's start today with Corinne, our pal Corinne, who says, Here's a message for Lydia. We know Lydia, of course. Guess what? I checked my hypotenuses, and 2022 is going to be another year of Lydia. You bring so much joy to so many people, and you deserve the best possible Blur's Day, New Year, and life. You make me proud every day. Love, Mom.

Ruby says a happy Blur's Day to my dad, Dan. I don't know what his designation would be. What does one call the 11 of your TBTL daddy when your TBTL daddy is your mom, your TBTL stepdaddy, 10 squared, 20, or 11 once removed? In any case, happy Blur's Day, Dad. I'm glad to be able to spend the day with you for the first time in too long. Isn't that, that's the guy who has like a canoe building business or something. I didn't remember that. I believe that Susan, Ruby's mom, has referenced that in messages before. Yeah, I know that you say that. Some kind of hand-building of votes. You are right. It's coming up.

Happy Blur's Day. Yep, it's come up in dazzling donor messages of yesteryear. You're absolutely right. Good memory. Lucian says, happy birthday to my 11, Chris, and my 5, Rosewin. Sometimes they know I'm going to start a task. They say, speaker, play TBTL, and it warms my heart. I love them both so much. Happy birthday from Lucian.

Cute. Heidi in Minnesota, the Latin correspondent for the show. Indeed. Says, happiest of Blur's days to my son, Ayrton, who turned eight this week. Aww. He's an amazing kid who's gone through a lot this year already, including being very sick in September. He is rocking second grade. He's a great big brother, a great son, and capable of doing anything. We're also celebrating his first COVID vaccine this week. Yay. Ayrton. Now, I have a question for you.

And I apologize, because I think I might be putting you on the spot here. But it's okay if you don't have all the details on this.

Do I think children should be vaccinated?

Let me run it by Joe Rogan. I'm just saying. I'm asking questions. I'm doing my own research. That's all I'm doing. Now, you mentioned that Heidi has been TBTL's Latin correspondent since, like, the—am I right about this? The very earliest days, like the radio days, or is this something that happened after the radio? Radio days. Okay, that's what I thought. So did Heidi start listening to TBTL? Now I'm just talking to Heidi. Heidi, you can email me.

Did you start listening to TBTL from Minnesota that early on? Were you listening to the podcasts after the radio show would post the podcast like I would do in New Hampshire? Or does Heidi have Pacific Northwest roots and she was here on the radio?

My sense is Heidi was listening to the podcast from Minnesota like some people were. Because we had this ad proximum con wewium, which is I think Latin for on to the next party or something. That was kind of our motto for a while, and I remember that Heidi would – like when we had questions that – a surprising number of questions related to Latin in the early days of the program may have been why this wasn't a hit on commercial radio at night in Seattle. And so Heidi would weigh in on a lot of stuff, and I remember that being when we were on the radio, so it would have to be – and I know Heidi was in Minnesota in those days.

Yeah, okay, so she's been in Minnesota the whole time. I mean, yeah, I mean it's not – it's the same way I was listening to you guys when I was in New Hampshire. So I just wasn't sure But I wasn't writing in I had nothing to offer I gave you a Bob Edwards

All you had to offer was What are we going on now? Eight years of your life Five days a week

My first contribution though Was the drop of Bob Edwards saying That's the saddest thing I've ever heard

Did you send that in from Minnesota? I am from New Hampshire Yep

I think I even still have that email What was the context of that? I was just a listener We've done this before on the show That's the saddest thing I've ever heard

I mean, what was the—oh, it was—don't tell me. You know. It was the fact that when people order food through a, like, a, you know, robot or basically a screen, they are more likely to order more food because if they're ordering it from a human, they have some sense of feeling shame around what they're ordering. Exactly.

And that really played into some theories you had at the time that I don't know if you want to delve back into about how shame was a good, like, kind of, I don't know, stricture for your life?

Yeah, I probably, oh, well, yeah, I probably, I guess I don't stand by that based on how we now talk about things. Like, I would hope most people would feel less shame. What is that called? Less shame? You know, obviously now, well, for a long time, I was very into this idea of revenge plus vanity. In fact, that was what I was going to title if I ever actually wrote a book, like a memoir because i i would say that the things that motivated me in life were basically revenge and vanity that's probably to some degree still true but it's not a good look like it's not something we celebrate in life anymore um by the way i was a little wrong i

know i grabbed that i remember hearing that in new hampshire because i believe that bob edwards left morning edition before i moved to seattle so i know i grabbed that tape when i was living in new hampshire but i emailed it to you i have the original email i emailed this to you on thursday march 5th of 2009 it must have been already after genevieve and i had met you i had moved to seattle and i emailed you and said hey i'm a public radio guy too i've been listening to your show can i come hang out in the studio one time which we did um you gave us a ride home which would be and then

promptly forgot about the entire event for like six months afterwards because it's i know that's exactly what happened i went somewhere where then i made my brain forget whatever the previous six

hours had been so i wrote to you in 2009 says hey luke andrew walsh here the guy from new hampshire i'm attaching a two second piece of tape here you know i'm a radio guy because i wrote i'm attaching a zero colon zero two piece of tape here jenny and i play for each other a lot is from bob edwards morning edition interview i can't remember the exact topic but his guest quoted a study that says people will eat a lot more food if they can order it from a machine instead of a person so fast food restaurants want to make more money they should use robots and machines to take orders instead of people something like that and bob's response is attached i hope you're doing well andrew walsh and you responded um i guess we're still waiting on that did i really not respond no response but i heard you i did use the tape yeah exactly that i got the tape You probably responded to me on Space Hay, and it just, like, we just. Did you get my elo? Hello. Lindsay says. I eloed you on Space Hay. Did you elo me on Space Hay? Is that a show title? Lindsay says, happy 40th Blursey to my husband, partner in crime, and favorite 10, Brian. After two kids and 20 trips around the sun together, I love that you are still the person I want to spend my time with communicating and TBTL drops, discussing the most recent episode of All In with Chris Hayes, and laughing about the crazy things that our kids do and say, we love you, from Lindsay, Noah, and Ella, who's on Ella.

Ella. Did you say Ella? Dana in Lexington says, I'd like to wish a happy Blur's Day to me. I'm forced to do this because I have...

tried, and thus far failed to goad my friends into listening. Dana, it's a common problem for the tens of listeners. You are not alone in this. There go my aspirations of being an influencer. I've been listening for a little over a year, so I reckon I'm more of a tenth than a ten. That is clever. So if you are a new ten, are you a tenth? You're like, you're not all the way, you know, You have not reached full 10-dom, full maturity, but you're on the road to that. You're a 10th.

I feel – I don't want to be exclusionary. So I would say, although there's another – Dana has another possible term, new-blurn.

Yes. Maybe I'm a 10th, more a 10th than a 10th, or in this instance, a new-blurn?

I like new-blurn because 10th sounds like I'm not there yet. I say the first time you voluntarily turn on TVTL yourself, not somebody in your family or your car or whatever turns it on and you happen to be there. The time that you voluntarily open up your app with malice and forethought and you look for TVTL and you hit play on that, you're a 10. We're taking you. But you can be a new Blurn, 10th.

Yeah, a new Blurn, you're right. Because tenth sounds like a diminished version, but new Blur is fun because it's like you just think about how fast your brain is developing, and there's so many new sounds and colors and things that are coming. I mean, it's all possibility when you're a new Blur.

TBTL is so much more vivid the first time you listen to it. Justin and Liz say they'd like to wish a happy Blur's Day and long-distance fang exchange to Alyssa. Thanks for introducing us to TBTL and being such a great sister and friend. We love you. A fang exchange. I don't know what's going on there. Is this bicuspid talk?

Yeah. Maybe we can get some clarification. Long distance fang exchange.

Or maybe it's just an inside little reference that they all understand. I don't have to know everything. I do.

Oh, look at this one. And Hannah says, today is Marion's actual 13th birthday. Can we get a Blur's Day shout out for this teenager? Teenager? We sure can. My actual niece, Marion, who is 13 today. You all may remember Marion and Maddie came on the show to talk about Stranger Things a few years ago. In fact, I wanted to send Marion a happy birthday message in Hawk Squad where I found a photo of her. But I noticed that all the photos I have of her on my phone are from like a couple of years ago where she's much younger. And you know how it is when you're a teenager now. It's like you might not, you know, you might not want the photo to be of two years ago because you feel like, well, that was me when I was when I was 11 and it was a totally different world. Yeah. So I held off because I didn't want it to seem like I was trying to. I don't know. I don't want to box her in with just the 11 year old version.

Can you just resend the photos, those creep shots? that you took of the guy from Stranger Things?

Well, that was, yes, I could. Somehow that feels like more of a Maddie thing. Oh, I see. Not that Marion doesn't probably also understand the splendor of whatever that actor's name is. But I don't know why.

Weren't they going to do a podcast together about Stranger Things, or am I making things up?

Good question. I feel like everyone's moved on. Also, of course, Marion, famously, we were doing karaoke at my sister Hannah's house and Marion got up there and did a song called Don't You Forget About Dying by I believe a Swedish death metal band Don't You Forget About Your Friend Death Don't You Forget That Someday You Will Die I believe that was how we closed out the evening so that's my niece Marion for you turning 13 today happy birthday Marion love you and I'll see you at Thanksgiving

If you will excuse the lack of music underneath this one A final Blur's Day from Avalon Who says today is my birthday And it's even a Thursday I'm a Scotland 10 Therefore I am writing from the future Where it is cold and wet That's how I always envision the future I hope I and all the November birthday 10s and 5s Have a wonderful day As we all eagle soar Didn't know you like to get wet though Through life Happy Blur's Day Avalon Nice to know that you're out there in Scotland too

Yeah I wonder if Avalon is Scottish or is just living in Scotland. An expat. I don't know. Avalon, if you are actually Scottish, will you send us a voicemail or some kind of voice memo? Because I would listen to a Scottish person read the phone book. In fact, I watch a lot of Scottish TikTok. I will see things on TikTok, and the people who created them are Scottish. And I guess I just let it...

play longer which then changes my algorithm you know what I mean so it starts giving me more just like people saying things in Scottish oh that accent is so sort of mellifluous to me I just love it tick Scott let's go truth about cops and robbers

that sounds really good and we're going to go out with Remedy right and you are right I'm looking at the Southern Harmony and Musical Companion record and it's like I actually do want to kind of listen to this whole thing I don't consider myself like a big like you know I don't have a black crows tattoo or anything and i haven't listened to black crows voluntarily in a really really like literally decades but i'm looking at this 10 track record and i remember every single one of these songs i listened to this so much i think in eighth grade was the year this came out 92 so that that kind of lines up i think it was like eighth maybe ninth grade that i was obsessed with this record so we'll go with remedy all right that's the show for today thanks for listening

everyone. We will be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you, so please do join us for that. Until then, have a great Thursday. Stay safe, take care of yourselves and each other, and please remember, no mountain too tall. Good luck to all.

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