Muse

Then I came to Viridian four years ago. I like the people, but sometimes the company makes me feel so small and unimportant.

Oh man, I can totally relate to that. I used to steal creamer out of the coffee room. I didn't even use it. I just wanted to stand up for myself and say, hey, I'm here, you don't control everything I do.

That is awesome. I totally get that. I have my own little way of acting out.

Really? Yeah. What is it?

No, you're going to think it's strange.

Oh, come on, I told you my thing.

all right uh twice a week after work i put on a totally realistic bear costume and hang out in the park you're what now yeah it makes me feel powerful mighty i don't scare anyone i sit in the bushes root around for berries once i've pushed on a camper you know bear kind of

stuff. I think that's great. TBTL. Warning, do not confuse any lightheartedness in the following

video with a glib attitude toward the problem at hand. Do you eat chocolate? Yes. Do you drink soda? Yes. Do you eat fatty foods? Yes. And a lot of people ask me, are you eating cookies late at night, and I say, of course I am.

This is stuff so funny, by the way. Did the comic come up with this? Because some of this stuff I feel like I could see somebody doing their act. Oh, oh, look who decided to come in tardy. Now, don't think it's okay to just roll in here at 100 kilometers per hour like you're Joel Otto with the Calgary Flames.

My door's always open, except when it's closed, but you can open it when it's closed.

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Tuesday edition of T-B-T-L, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

What do you want to tell Joe Biden right now?

My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host, coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center in Portland, Oregon, where it is, well, now it's started to rain a little bit, which is, uh, slightly disappointing because let me tell you what, this morning, early this morning, right as the sun was coming up it was must have been like 60 degrees the willamette river was just like perfectly still uh the sun was rising the rose and pink colors were out just you know kind of gleaming and glimmering and oh ma pa it's just beautiful really nice morning for my little um morning exercise routine uh but now things are taking a turn the good news is we have a heck of a show a non-weather dependent heck of a show. We have carefully weatherproofed this episode episode 3565 in a collector series for any kind of weather that might possibly strike. Let the fun begin. We are in fact going to let the fun begin and I'm going to tell you about a documentary that I saw last night that I am just absolutely kind of obsessed with

right now. It's the first line of the film

man. It's got to be on the money here. It's actually about the life and music of, believe it or not, Kenny G.

Hey, want to hear the most annoying sound in the world?

And you may go into the film thinking Kenny G's music is the most annoying sound in the world, but you may come out of it with a slightly more nuanced opinion of Kenny Gorelick of Seattle, Washington. Anyway, we'll get into that also. So, oh, some updates on what's going on with my looming family Christmas get-together.

What have we always said is the most important thing? Breakfast. Family.

Where there are some members of my extended family who are not vaccinated, and I'm wondering if I'm going to go to it or not. There have been some developments on that front, so we will talk about that. And then also an update on the legality of my apartment neighbor's security camera. That's focused pretty much just on my apartment door.

I got that old camera! He got that old camera!

So we'll do that, plus emails and v-mails as well. All of that with the help of this handsome young stranger, a soulful rocker from New Hampshire, the longest-running Cobra of the show. He's back at it again with the white vans. He may be best known for his depictions of the tall ships. And I don't know, for the last six months or something, I've been talking to him offline about stuff. I've involved management at APM, trying to get him to just do this one thing. They just want you to be normal, and clearly you're not. It's not working so far, but we're still happy to have him here today. He is Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my friend. Good morning.

Let me live up to that drop with a weird question here this morning for you, Luke. This is something that I think about almost every single day, but I think there's only one person in my life who knows that I have this condition. When you are cleaning or drying your ears, like your ear canals, however you choose to do that, does it make you cough? Yes, it does.

If you go too far, if you go too far, your body's way of saying, don't touch that, that's my no-no spot, is to make you cough, in my experience. Absolutely. It's all, it's otolaryngological, my friend.

What was that? Don't touch me, that's my no-no spot? Is that what was said in the clear there?

There was some kind of song when we were a kid. I forget. It's funny, it's not one that I learned at Bagley. Everybody learned their own version of these kinds of safety tips they give kids. And they're very memorable, depending on the one you learned, I guess. But I know there was one that was something about don't touch my no-no spot. And that's what your ears are saying. Yeah. When you start coughing because you have jammed a Q-tip too far in there, I can actually physically feel the sensation of like the back of your throat getting getting kind of feeling uncomfortable because somehow that thing that's in your ear has gone too far into your ear canal.

Yeah, I don't know if this is too gross to get into right now, but, you know, I took a shower this morning. That's not the gross part, I think. And then you and I were doing a sound check. And I don't know if you noticed, but I started coughing a lot during the sound check. Now, you'd think drying your ears during a sound check is probably not giving as much detail to the sound check that may be required for some jobs. I mean, you could explain some of the confusion today. But I think everybody heard the intro. The levels were leveled out. Oh, that's right. Actually, before. Oh, that's right. I did have some issues with my board levels, but that was before the ear drying, I promise. Oh, okay. Yeah, no, no, I promise.

I was going to be like, you left that important part out because you were like, yeah. because we had done some special extra tbtl related recording on friday at your house and so you had very nicely and i just want to say this again you really went all out like you set up you must have spent hours doing that but you set up a very cool recording system so we could do this special thing but then it meant you had to kind of try to take everything back to the original state like get it set up for tbtl again and um it's been taking you a couple of days to Tweedle every knob And dial every little thing in I didn't know the whole time you also had a towel Comically going in one ear Through the middle of your skull and out the other ear Like a magician or a cartoon character

Yep, yep, yep I also hooked up Yeah, I had it kind of dialed in yesterday And then I had to hook up another piece of equipment yesterday And so everything was just a little bit A little bit wonky in here But I promise you that was not Because I was drying my ears It was later after I had gotten everything basically set And we're going through your drops and I'm listening, making sure that that everything is level. But I'm also I realize like it's just it's one of those things where, again, I probably should have just waited until your intro or something. But it was just driving me crazy. Something that you can kind of just like not listen to. Huh?

What's that? My intro. Hey, I got a joke about a chiropractor.

I'll be right back. Anyway, so I was I was drawing it, but I was not using a Q-tip. I was using, I was doing that technique, I don't know if everybody's familiar with this, where you take a tissue, like a Kleenex, right, and you just kind of pinch a corner of it, or you pinch, you make a little tent of it, maybe in the middle of it, and you twist it, and you kind of make a little homemade Q-tip type of thing. Do you know this move? Okay. Yes. These are all universals. Good. I'm glad to know. And so I'm just drying my ears with that. It's not going, you know, I'm not mining for diamonds or anything down there, but just doing a quick drive. But I realized I started coughing right in your headphones, into my microphone. So I had to mute myself because I realized I was just, you know, triggering my cough. But anyway, glad to know that's a common thing. It's a it's called the no no spot. I've learned something today and we can move on.

Doctors call it the no no spot. And and, you know, you're the body keeps the score. I mean, that's what that's what that book in my couples therapist office said. And I would just stare at it every time I would go to couples therapy. And I would I think I have a sense of what that's about. And in fact, you know, I believe that still might be, I was in Powell's books with Becca the other day, and I was picking up this John Prine book that I'm so excited about. It's from, you know, that 33 and a third series, which are just these really great little, I guess you'd call them a chapbook, kind of a small little paperback. But the early days of TBTL, funnily enough, literally the first episode of TBTL as a radio show involved a 33 and a third book. And it was a guy who had listened to a. celine dion album uh let's talk about love he had listened to it every day for a year and then he had written this book about kind of his thoughts on it which kind of gets to this documentary i want to talk about but anyway i was buying i was looking for this one about john prine that just came out that uh i got and i started reading and it's really really good but i was just wandering around i was looking at all of the kind of powell's bestsellers they have various shelves that are showing who's you know selling lots of books and things like that and uh the body keeps the score was like number one in non-fiction my guess is that book has got to be 20 30 years old like it's a and i think it's a book about you know trauma and how our you know our how we process it or don't process it etc i will mention one other thing and i'll be very vague about this but a personal nemesis of both of ours had a book there but it was on the it was on the clearance shelf

so that put some wind on my sails first thing i was like wait we have a common nemesis but i put it all together i got there i got there okay sleuthing and i was like yeah look at that you

love to see you love to see your your haters uh on the clearance uh shelf also i have no books out so how's mine i'm below the clearance shelf in that i don't even have something that could end up on the clearance rack but it still makes me happy to see to hear the lamentation of the women and to see the to see the haters books uh not performing particularly well they're like hey would you like to have this for almost free and apparently uh people were like no no we're fine

i don't even have 22 and a half though so i gotta say like you know who am i to throw stones um

part of the success of this podcast andrew and i think you know this and the listeners know it is how just deeply unrelatable it is and um and and that's kind of what i think i bring to the table i like to when possible complain about things that 95 of our listening audience will never have to deal with or care about you things you get the whole unrelatable thing i do i'm gonna get all unrelatable on you so here goes i spent while you all were watching the seahawks and i i was as well. But really what I was doing was trying for the love of God to get the home box office. That's what it is, HBO. That's all there is to it. I thought there was one more letter for some reason. The home box office television network, HBOten, famously. It's not television. It's HBOten. I was trying to get the press people at HBO to pick up their emails at 8.30 at night so that I could get this screener to work for this documentary film that I was going to watch because I did an interview early this morning. This is why I was out very early on my jog was because I had to get my exercise on because tomorrow I'll be in Los Angeles from a very early hour. I'll be out working. I'm not going to get to go on a run. I needed to do it today, but I needed to build in enough time, Andrew, that my ruddy complexion would return to its it would go from overly ruddy which it is after i jog for about an hour to just normal blotchiness which is kind of my resting state and so anyway i had a whole day planned around this interview for this documentary and so last night i go to watch the documentary and this unbelievably elaborate screening system that they use for these movies was just shorting out they'd sent me an invite but i did all the things they said i could see other things from hbo that i had watched in the past on this some web page that is identified with me now like i have this account so i could see other things so it wasn't that it didn't it wasn't that the system didn't work it's that the link they sent me was the wrong link and i started to have a growing panic because again the interview was at 9 a.m this morning and so i needed to and i mean i also didn't get the film until yesterday at four in the afternoon so oh okay that actually

is a good detail to know because yeah i mean listen i think that's standard practice if you're somebody who's hosting a show like that like i don't think there's an expectation that you're going to watch this i'm going to sneeze i'm just going to do this i need to mute that's what i get for uh cleaning my ears during the show passing a passing a towel through your head i know do you think it would have been better if i had not muted my mic there do you think people would have liked to hear that yes i would have liked it i think how people sneeze is a it's a window into their soul actually you know what i do and you've chosen to close that that is a that is a conversation because i do have a little i vocalize a little bit with my sneezes now more than i think i used to um oh i'm just remembering that's right late last night i had a sneezing fit that went on for i've been getting these sometimes like i had at least 15 sneezes yesterday and that wasn't one of the longer sneezing fits you ever get those i did a three-er on Thanksgiving that felt, but they were, it was an

intense three. I don't

usually go north of three. Every now

and then, man, I will just, my body will become racked. This happened a couple of weeks ago. Genevieve informed me later that it was not the most romantic sound she'd ever heard. I probably spent, I mean, it was probably a sneeze chain that went on for minutes and minutes and minutes, like I'll say under five, although it felt like a lifetime where it just keeps coming and it just keeps coming, where They're just like your body is wracked with sneezes. It must be an allergic reaction or something that I'm having. What were we talking about? Screeners. I'm sorry that I interrupted. I don't remember what we were talking about before. That's all right.

But I just the official rule on this show, Andrew, in the interest of radical honesty and maybe some relatability. Since I'm bringing the unrelatability, maybe you and I at times can bring the relatability. Let's leave the mics on when we sneeze. OK, people will get a kick out of it because, again, everybody sneezes differently. And I do think it kind of indicates a little something They're the people that just let it fly They're the people that try to stifle it There are people with weird cute sneezes Which is like How's your body even getting The release that it needs I mean obviously we sneeze because our Nasal passages are saying there's something in here That needs to not be in here So if you do that little Like is any The normal Your nose must just be like Really we chose this as a personality trait

I know what I was going to say. If you don't mind me jumping in, I was just going to say that I don't think there's a huge expectation for people who are doing like, you know, somebody in your position who's especially if you're somebody who's doing a daily show, you're doing a weekly show. But that like there's a huge expectation that you'll have watched the documentary or have read the book or whatever, like days or even weeks in advance. Like you guys are all just kind of on your grind. And so you telling me that HBO didn't even send you the screener until 4 p.m. the day before you were supposed to do the interview. That's actually really good information because, you know, sometimes we rag on you for like waiting to the last minute, but that's just the reality here. And also you didn't have a choice. So you rattling cages and trying to email people on the East Coast at 8 p.m. is kind of like that's kind of on them.

It kind of is. And this is how it goes with the screener process. And again, I already sort of tipped my hand that this is not a universal experience. This is the experience only of people that work in the media and are given access to media content before it's released to the wider world. Now, there are media events like, I don't know, if I was interviewing Kumail Nanjiani about Eternals, which I did email him, by the way, did not hear back. I think that's a fair—I think that's an accurate indicator of the asymmetric relationship that is now developed over time. one time at one time in the show we used to have kumail on fairly frequently we used to email back and forth he and i and then at one point they put him in a marvel he lost he lost 20 pounds of fat gained 80 pounds of muscle is in a marvel movie and is no longer returning my emails well i mean

if you need to dunk on him you know it's not it hasn't been the most successful marvel movie let's just put it that way if he that's racist of you by the way how dare you say that about the most

diverse marvel movie that's ever been out is that true is it the most haters to the left well there is a weird thing around that film which is that there were a lot of people that seem to be rooting against it and oh i didn't even know that the way it was framed was these are people that are hoping this this film uh fails because it has a very diverse cast um across a wide array of of ways one can be diverse i guess you would say and uh and then the the the people that were rooting for it were saying we're kind of pointing out all of the metrics that were successful about it and saying you know don't let the haters win on this one there was but that's you know that seems to happen with every marvel movie that has uh like a non-white cast is you get this kind of thing playing out we're getting further and further from a screener talk but that might be all right you get this kind of like internet war between the people that are and there would be like hundreds of um of youtube videos that are generated maybe even by bots what was the um the guy i think his name is like uh simon lou and he was in a marvel movie he's uh i think he's a asian canadian actor and i don't know what the name of that movie was because i don't

watch any of these movies oh he was in the more the more recent one or not as recent as the eternals but maybe the one before the eternals yes yes i'd seen a trailer for it yes and i think

it was historic because it was the first i don't know if that is that also marvel again i don't know that was a marvel versus dc but it was that was notable because i believe it was the first marvel the star of a marvel film who was Thank you. um asian canadian in this case and again it was this thing where and i saw him retweeting it actually the star and he seems like a very a very um fascinating entertaining guy actually but he was like retweeting these weird youtube bots that were basically these pages that were just like criticizing the box office sales of this film before it had even come out like someone had written some kind of software template that was like getting ready to predict or trying to celebrate the failure of this film it would seem based only on the fact that it didn't have a white person starring in it and they wanted they wanted uh to make sure that everybody knew that that was a bad plan for your superhero movie not dissimilar to the stuff that

the the lebitard crew and other like kind of diverse shows on espn were kind of battling like You have this spinoff in the sports radio world, and I can't remember their names, but you know who I'm referring to, Luke. Almost like the new Rush. By the way, Simu Liu, not Simon Liu. Oh, I see. And the movie is Shang-Chi, right? I just looked that up in The Legend of the Ten Rings. But you had like, oh, I can't remember. You have Barstool Sports, but then you have the other guy who's basically like the new Rush Limbaugh, but he comes from a sports background. Yes. Clay. Tarver? Clay Travis? I think it's Travis, but I liked Tarver better because, like, why even will I give power to the name? But anyway, you know, like, they're just they're they're rooting for the diverse shows like Dan's show and other shows, Beaumont Jones's show and other other people like that on ESPN to fail because they're like, woke radio is dead. You can't make money with that. Come over here to where we can, like, objectify women and just be awful. And this is the recipe for success. And it's like, it's just like this rooting, just rooting against success because you're, you're somehow threatened by the fact that it's not just like white men behind the mics anymore.

Right. It's like somehow your world is better. You think if things that are more inclusive, but also still awesome fail. Yeah. It's like, what a, what a, what a sad corner of the world you must occupy where that's where your rooting interests lie. Anyway, there there seemed to be a bit of that going on with Eternals. And, you know, and honestly, I would I started out on Kumail's side, but I'm not anymore because he didn't return my email. Now I realize now I've both insulted Kumail.

If you were to hear this, which you won't. And also I took the side of the racists. Not not a position that I'm tarvers of the world. Your racist new name is Tarver, Tarver, Tarver.

So if Kumail had returned my email and if he had said, yeah, I want to come on TBTL, my old stomps and talk about my Marvel hit Eternals. And then the studio sent me a screener, me and you, Andrew, because we co-host this show, sent us each a screener of Eternals. And there was a lot of security around it. i would get it because a film like that having having it early we literally could either i don't know make some money somehow or just be terribly mischievous do you go with mischievous or

mischievous i go back and forth i like mischievous better i think we could just be terrible trolls

who just release it you know to the pirate bay or whatever people are torrenting on these days do you go with torrent or torrent i just i was i was recovering from a hiccup so it threw everything off there i go my point is just torrent that was a shining joke danny sorry danny can't

open the screener mrs torrent can i just say um while we're bragging about being media people and i'm sure that you did this too when you were working in la the baller of ballerist move the ballerist of baller moves is going going to a screening i had only gone to a couple of those that way i saw dear white people that way and one other where you're actually sitting in a little mini theater with a bunch of reviewers i felt like that was an exciting moment for me at my

new job you know what that was six years ago yeah i think i only maybe did that like one time but it is so cool it feels very barton fink yes yes yes and everybody knows each other it's like a little club of reviewers but it's like a nondescript building it's usually either some off shoot the one time i did it it wasn't on like a studio lot it was in a random building on like sunset looked like an office building but it happened to have a small theater in it and it must have been i don't know if it was the publicity arm of that particular film studio and you sit in there and they just play the movie only for you and the people in the small theater and yeah that's really honestly that's that's a cool way to do it and there's limited chance of anyone stealing your content meanwhile i guess my point all that was to say there are films where i think there might be a lucrative or at least ready black market to to release them to a film that i wouldn't on that list would be Listening to Kenny G, a documentary about the instrumentalist Kenny G. The problem is the HBO publicity people have no sense of if they're sending me Eternals or listening to Kenny G.

Well, you know, not to be a company man, but I mean, yeah, there are systems in place. Like, they're not going to create a system for movies that they've either made or distributed and say, we're going to put these on a lower tier because we think they're less interesting. I mean, you have a system for distributing screeners, or you don't, and they're not going to have, like, two different ones for movies that they think are less interesting.

Not less interesting, but, like, less. But are just, because believe me, and peace and love to everyone in Eternals, I promise you I enjoyed, I haven't seen Eternals, I promise you I enjoyed listening to Kenny G much more than I would have any Marvel superhero movie. so it's not to me it's it's not even a question of the the the quality of the film as it were it's a question of what are the real chances here's really and again getting back to the whole relatability thing i have never had i have very rarely had one of these screener situations work out uh easily it's always a it's always an issue there's always a lot of back and forth and you know what we ended up having to do so like sometimes they'll still email you a link and you click on the link and there's the movie and it might say luke burbank in like a huge like 40 size 40 font right across the middle of the film for the whole film yeah yeah i've seen that which is like okay fine i can deal with that i'm getting what's going on in the film and i'm obviously not going to distribute this you sent me a link i clicked on at the movie plate this is this other bs system where they're sending you a thing literally it says this magic link will only work for 20 minutes and only on the browser you clicked it into initially so then you're in this other system and then that system which i told you had some other things i had seen but would not allow me to get to this thing so now i'm emailing the hbo people and and i don't think they're in new york i think they're probably in la that's a guess i don't know they could be in the east coast but i'm emailing like 10 people and then i realized at the bottom of the screen this screener thing there's a help number so i call the help number and it rings for a very long time and then uh somebody picks up and this woman was extremely kind but she sounded like it would be like andrew if if you were kidnapped thrown into a trunk driven somewhere brought into a dank warehouse there's just the only thing in the warehouse is a table and a chair and a telephone story and they sit you down at the chair and the telephone rings and they say talk this person through a customer service repair of their xerox machine like it was every word i said to this very nice lady it was as if it was the first time she had heard the word screener the word hbo like this is very much like it was the equivalent of a call service i realized this was not a person who was actually there to help re-email me the screener link or to talk me through it she was literally a person whose job it was i found out at the end as i was explaining this all to her i was like well i'm a radio host and i got this thing and it doesn't work and i need to watch it by tomorrow etc she goes so do you work for the are you a vendor for the company i can just tell she's going through a list we finally get to the end of it and i and she says i have alerted our help team

and they will be responding to you immediately and i go um so does immediately mean probably tonight or maybe tomorrow she goes they don't tell me what immediately means and i was like cool welcome to welcome to brazil not the country the movie our favorite go-to for sort of strange bureaucrat talk. So what I realized was, oh, no one's coming for this problem tonight. Like this, this 1-800 number, whatever, this help desk number is not connecting me to someone who knows how to fix this. They literally are now just forwarding an email to someone else who will see it at some point in the future. I've still, to this hour, Andrew, of our recording, not heard back from anyone. But here's what happened. Our sainted executive producer, laura haddon who lives not that far from me drove her laptop over here last night at like 9 30 god this was the only solution as she proposed it by the way i would not yeah yeah yeah i would not have asked this of anyone i work with i would have just said well they got to send it to me tomorrow morning or we got to push the interview or something but she drove her her laptop which it had worked on her laptop so she drove her laptop over here and loaned it to me for the night so that i could watch the film that's that was the 19th century solution

to a 21st century problem was physically bring a different piece of equipment over that for whatever reason is able to talk to the ones and zeros properly and I will watch it on that and that's what I did. And by the way, the film is so, so good. Was it scary when you were done

watching the film and then the computer started to sizzle and steam and smoke and then destroy

itself? No, but what was scary to me was as I'm watching it, you know how we all get notifications now on our computers too yeah and like texts are coming in and i'm seeing you know texts from um from people that i know that we work with i'm seeing texts from people i know that laura is related to and she's not there she's not watching with you she's not there watching with me she's back home now and i am like i i honestly wanted to like go on my computer which i still had which still works just not for hbo screeners and text her and go i just want to let you know that i am not i i opened the computer it was on chrome when i opened it i hit play on the kenny g movie i'm not looking at shit except for that like i am not in your email i'm never crossing your eyes sort of when i knew kind of because i didn't i didn't know in the little like preview function was i gonna see everyone has their setup differently some of them it'll show you like a preview of the message some of them will just say here's who it's from some will say here's the first sentence of the thing i was i felt like i was way too inside someone else's life business and i was i mean if if you put i don't know why these uh kind of scenarios i'm describing are just overly violent but if someone walked in to put a gun to my head and was like click on the text message field i'd be like just shoot me yeah i would rather i like i am so i am so personally like not wanting people to dig through my stuff that i just was like but then i thought calling to confirm with her or texting to confirm that I wasn't digging through her stuff

would be weirder. Yeah, exactly. Which does remind me, do you have any screeners of Just Shoot Me?

Just out of curiosity. It's one that's left in the HBO screener bin. Anyway, I've taken up far too much time on the show with this today, but I just want to say. But you do recommend. Highly recommend listening to Kenny G. A filmmaker named Penny Lane made it. And it's a documentary and it is the the dazzling deets about kenny g andrew are just dazzling uh he was one of the first four investors in starbucks like he is the best-selling um instrumental artist in the history of the world he is a almost champion level golfer like is probably the best celebrity golfer in america is also like extremely self-effacing extremely aware of all the people who hate his music is somehow kind of unfazed by it um is a private pilot and also wrote a song called going home like 30 years ago it's you know it's kenny g it's sax that is now the national song in china for when something closes for like 30 years in china if you're in a store in the mall and they're closing the kenny g song going home starts playing you're at a if you're at like anywhere you might be where there's a any kind of public address system and it's time to go home it's basically their version of closing time by semi-sonic yeah at least in the bars that i went to in the late 90s and early 2000s but it's like and then also what what this filmmaker penny lane does that's and i don't know the story on her name and i didn't obviously bring it up in the interview because it was like we're not talking about that we're talking about this film that's great but i don't know if that was a thing that her parents went with because her last name was lane or if that was maybe something she chose i just felt like she must get asked about it constantly so i'm gonna not be that interviewer but anyway um uh just this she does an amazing job in the film of really getting into the question of like who gets to decide what music is good or bad and why it is that the music that we like or don't like is such an identity for us you know as opposed to other art forms i think in the live wire interview i did with her she said if you read tony morrison it doesn't mean that you then buy an outfit based on it and start hanging out with other people who read tony morrison whereas if you're listening to industrial music yeah or goth music it literally drives all these other behaviors which is totally true um it's just a really uh really incredible film the other thing that she that she did that was so genius she gets all these people together who have written about kenny g like music critics and jazz experts and people like that and then she just has them listen to Kenny G music and she just films

them listening to Kenny G, hence the name listening to Kenny G. And it just creates this extremely in the moment experience, you know, where you're not just talking about it in the abstract. You're listening to it. You're responding to it. You're experiencing it both as the viewer and the people on camera. It's just a really good movie.

You know, it was an eye opening experience or an eye opening documentary for me regarding Kenny G. And I'll bet you you've seen this or at least know about it. If you haven't interviewed the filmmakers um is that movie weedle's groove i remember that i know i know the

film and it's i mean i know of the film and it's a it's it's actually a shame i have not actually sat down and watched it but i feel like i know a lot about it sort of the the kind of jazz and and kind of funk scene in seattle in the what like late 70s yeah i think early 70s i think early 60s

early 70s i'm not exactly sure it's been a while but it was one of those movies that i saw um when i was relatively new to seattle i'll bet you it came out around i came here in 2009 i don't know when that movie came out but i feel like it came out i don't know around then or something and then um and i remember watching it because i didn't really i don't think that seattle when people think of seattle they don't think of like oh that funk scene in seattle in the 60s and 70s and um you know to the degree that i can remember and trust this movie there was quite the burgeoning funk scene here that kind of had its own personality and kenny g was part of that that's the reason i bring it up and that's when i started to realize oh kenny g isn't just this i mean in a certain way he's kind of a parody of himself in that he he will play into that for laughs sometimes because he's very but not in a not in a corny way but in a kind of self-knowing in a self-referential kind of way he knows he's this very successful man as you say but who also knows his reputation sort of and he seems delightful and um i just remember like kind of thinking like oh there's a lot more to this kenny g story than i ever considered before and frankly a lot more to the the seattle music uh story than i ever knew before i also remember i think it was kenny g who's interviewed in the film who actually kind of makes the argument that one of the reasons why um he felt like music or at least his own he was he personally was driven to music was because it rained here all the time he's like we just didn't have that temptation to go outside and play baseball all the time maybe if i was living in southern california so i was just like in you know staying inside and while it was raining outside just like blowing on my horn

and you would think that a guy like that who's described in the film as being very smart but also kind of nerdy and very committed to this instrument you think he would just be like a master of musical theory like he studied accounting in college his dad was a plumbing had a plumbing supply business which he was supposed to take over at some point he like knows very little about music theory he just likes to play what he likes to play and part of the kind of criticism of his music is that it sort of is it's sometimes described as jazz well he really kind of helped start the idea of smooth jazz really and that's another part of this this movie you would love andrew they talk to these like radio program directors and consultants about the birth of the smooth jazz radio station movement which is just fascinating from a from a radio yeah kind of perspective anyway but he somebody says in the film that the thing about jazz as we think about is there's a there's a call and response you know with jazz like there's a you know it's a cosmic gumbo that's how that's how i think about um yeah no

that you know that that interplay i know i know exactly what you're talking about those are some

of the best moments of jazz right and even like you know somebody might come out with a jazz song now but it is in a way it's still referencing back to and again kind of playing with something that's already happened in the form and maybe it's taking that a little bit forward and also when you're playing if you have like a you know a jazz quartet or whatever it's kind of like everyone plays their part they call and respond and then their solos they somebody described that in the film as being sort of like sex and then they cut to kenny g on stage with this section And they're like, and what he's doing is masturbating. It's just no one else gets to do anything at a Kenny G show. It's not like, okay, take it away, bass player. It's just Kenny G going. And it was, and again, the movie is not a takedown of him at all. In fact, it really humanizes him, but it also just happens to work in some references to like jazz and some ways of talking about that kind of music that I had never even thought of or heard of. So anyway, would recommend if you can get the screener to work. it's my review when's it coming out on hbo max i give it three popcorns it's coming out i think on thursday okay three on thursday on hbo max so i would recommend everyone check it out okay oh god sorry that was a lot of talking by me i apologize um so we will take a break i'm going to get oh i'm going to get the coffee i started making before the show and then um then i'll be even more amped which is going to be great for everyone when we return here on Thank you.

Let's thank some donors of the day. Now that I have this delicious broadcast coffee in me, Andrew, I feel like I'm ready to do these donors of the day justice. And they deserve it because their financial support is how we were able to do this episode.

Can I just say, classic, classic breakfast, coffee and donors.

That's good. That could be a show type.

Coffee. Okay, I'll do that. Coffee and donors.

Cool. Coffee and donors. Talking about Gregory and Jackie Walter in Kodiak, Alaska. Wow. Exciting. I've not been to Kodiak. You've been to Alaska, though, right? I have. I've been to Ketchikan. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Ketchikan, if you look at it on the map, and Ketchikan's obviously a quite beautiful, amazing place, but it is very far south in Alaska. Like, I could kind of see a world, and I don't know if this happens, but I could see a world in which Alaskans think of Ketchikan as kind of being Canada, because it's so far away from the Kodiaks and the Anchorages, etc., of the world. I was getting my hair cut the other day, and the young woman cutting my hair was from North Pole, Alaska. Oh, wow. That's where Santa's from, right? Am I right about that? I just screamed, Santa! I know him! Will Ferrell style, and they asked me to leave the Rudies. Thank you, Jackie and Gregory. Appreciate you. Also appreciate Rochelle Mortvet in Bremerton, Washington. You know some people in Bremerton. By the Burbs. I don't mean the suburbs. I mean the Burbanks. That's what I call my parents, the Burbs. They're like, please stop. And I'm like, nope. Then you start yelling about Santa. Yes. Nancy Richardson is in St. Petersburg, Florida. That sounds nice this time of year. It certainly does. It's a warm place to be. Matthias Wigger, or Weger, depending on if you're into that whole German W thing,

is in richmond california speaking of you know what that popped up in a book i was reading the the day you know i'm still reading these easy rollins books um these kind of mystery books exactly take place in the 1960s at least the ones i'm reading now do and um i was a little confused because one of the characters supposedly spotted another character who's been long missing in richmond and i was like that is and i kept thinking virginia and i was area right yes and i was very confused i was like that's so weird that like he never mentions east coast city it's very west you know it's a very la based and west coast based uh story and then as i continued to read i realized ah i realized oh i think it's like just i want to say just north of san francisco and i realized that's the richmond california and so i was looking it up on a map i was zooming in i might have even seen matthias's house matthias probably matthias you go with the hard t right

Matthias, Matthias. Okay, gotcha, sorry. You know who else is down there in the Yask area? Priscilla Wu, our friend Priscilla. Indeed, artist. Designer of TBTL merch, among other things. She's in San Francisco, California. Now, Andrew, you know I was... Let's also thank Susan Kappa in Pasadena, California, a.k.a. Pass the Donuts. That's what me and the Colonel... Pass the Donuts. It's classic breakfast food, Pass the Donuts. Cop a coffee and the donors. Pass the donors. I'm thinking of the Bay Area right now because, you know, I was supposed to go down and swim in the San Francisco Bay this week for a story. And for reasons that are too complex and honestly, even by my standards, too inside the world of CBS television machinations, What it came down to was we were supposed to have off-duty police officers guarding us and our camera equipment while we did the shoot. And because, unfortunately, there has been—I don't know how widespread it is or if it was just one article, but there was an issue where a news crew was robbed of their equipment in the Bay Area. and so then crews uh film crews and tv crews started sending out guards with their camera people and then there was an incident of violence where one of the guards sadly lost their life whoa so now i know we're just talking about san francisco here we're well you know the bay area and so because we were having to hire a freelance crew for the filming and recording of it the audio because we didn't have a staff crew. That's an expense. And then...

i've got my massage budget which is even for me troubling that's a good 10 g's per day i just need a team of people massaging me at all times um because the freelance crew is going to cost a certain amount and then the um security guards we were going to have to hire we're going to cost a certain amount it went over an amount that they were willing to budget for this shoot where i get in cold water so we're having to do it in a couple of weeks when we can get a camera crew that works for CBS that's just getting paid to do their job as opposed to a freelance crew this is what happens when you want to defund the police Luke yeah then all of a sudden Luke can't get in freezing cold water you know what I spent a lot of yesterday afternoon doing when I thought it was still happening trying to locate something called a tri-suit which I did by the way which is basically that thing that triathletes wear when they're like swimming and then they just jump on the bike okay yeah it's not a wetsuit it's just spandex but it does cover your chest like it zips up it's just has like short it's like shorts and then a you know torso and then little sometimes sleeves sometimes not sleeves but it basically just covers your torso and then down to becomes kind of spandex shorts and that my friend is what i'm gonna wear so that i am not shirtless on national television and i'm very proud of this solution that i came up with i'm

a little confused i but it does protect you from the cold a little bit i thought the whole point

i mean the point of it does a bathing it's the point of it is so that i don't have to be on tv with no shirt no no i understand what the point is for you if i were a triathlete and i was going to run a marathon cycle a hundred and something miles and swim and i needed one outfit that i could do all of those things in because their time is of the essence and so you're not like putting on swim trunks and then swimming and then getting out and then putting on biking shorts and a t-shirt and biking and then changing into running gear this is just like a spandex suit

that you can do all of those things in am i looking at the right ones i'm looking at a whole bunch of tri suits or triathlons and they're basically like it is like wearing a full shirt and shorts right or am I just looking at a different style because all of these look like what they're one pieces they're basically they just look like one pieces only the sleeves end at the elbows and the and the the legs and above the ones I was looking at the sleeves don't end

at the elbows they some of them don't have any sleeves or they have very short sleeves I see and the leg part only goes down to like mid thigh okay so I don't know if maybe they they also I'm sure make ones that are full body but i'm i'm digging my heels in here because what i'm trying to express is it's not a wetsuit because if it were a wetsuit i feel like i'd be kind of cheating it would kind of be like making the piece less interesting this is not this does not provide me any cold protection any more than wearing a t-shirt let's say when i swam would which would immediately become wet and then i would just be feeling the cold as opposed to something that's a rubber or a neoprene or meant to actually preserve your body heat this is not meant for that this is meant for real triathletes or embarrassed tv correspondents and i fall into

the second category i see the sleeveless ones yeah as i continue to scroll down triathlon.com i'm starting to see some of this you don't have that bookmark yeah well i do now certainly yeah i just put it in my delicious social bookmarks register you're still using delicious i love it

uh thanks to our donors of the day and the ones are in san francisco i'll see you in a couple

weeks i guess out in the bay in my tri-suit hello and welcome to top story all right our

top stories today are really just a couple of updates uh the first is an update on what's going on with burbank christmas fest 2021 if you missed yesterday's show uh i was i had not planned on talking about it and then i was getting text messages on hawk squad during the show which is it's especially hard to avoid talking about something andrew when it's occurring in real time into our brains and eyeballs while we're doing this you know what i mean i feel like if i'd had 12 hours to think about it i might have been able to create a system where i wouldn't bring it up but if it's just like bing my you know my messages are going off it's it's just pretty much in through my eyeballs out through my mouth that's kind of how this works and it did

I had a nerve. I mean, I think it was a good thing to talk about to the degree that you were comfortable kind of airing your personal business like this. You know, you and I were both talking like we we got to a certain point yesterday evening where suddenly emails just started pouring in. I now know exactly when people listen to the show and then how long it takes them to write an email. Because I feel like it was like during a specific hour last night where a lot of people were sending us emails. And I haven't even gone through all of them yet. You know, just talking about the dilemma and how they've had to deal with some version of it in their own life. So I think it was a good thing to talk about. The dilemma.

short if you didn't catch yesterday's show is that um my immediate family which is a pretty large group of people is uh as i put it in one text message to someone aggressively vaccinated like we're the we're the family where it's a competition to see who can get boosted first and the most some people are just you know just bringing their own series of syringes and just giving themselves boosters all throughout thanksgiving dinner just to be safe like that's the that's where it's at with my fam including my parents who are not young and also you know from the the sort of evangelical background so they my parents very easily could have gone in a different direction and they didn't and i'm so grateful for that that that's not out this is way overly political but just for the people who are curious where my parents have landed in politics, Andrew, it is, it's quite something. There was a family text that went out on Hawk Squad when the Ahmaud Arbery verdict came back in and everyone on the Hawk Squad, the person who sent it said, I'm so glad that, I'm so glad that this was, you know, there was a guilty verdict here. And everyone said, yeah, that was really nervous about that. And thank, thank goodness that this jury got it right. And then my dad just goes, yeah, I wish the Rittenhouse jury, I wish these guys would have been the Rittenhouse jury. And I'm just like, Walt B. Walt B. Getting more progressive with age. I mean, I don't think that's a progressive standpoint. I think that's just morally correct. But it's not everyone, again, and I'm assuming a lot because I'm assuming that everyone's hoping their parents are becoming more liberal. Maybe it's just me. But I feel very fortunate that in my immediate family, in particular with my parents, there is a kind of unanimity of thought around Trump bad, vaccine good, bringing guns across state lines to kill people bad. Like, we just are on the same page about a lot of that stuff, which is nice because I don't generally have to worry about family get togethers until I heard that there's this Christmas get together in the offing and some extended family who I also love very dearly are not vaccinated. and should i agree to get together with them or not and then during the show yesterday it was proposed that those folks by them by the way by the unvaccinated people in this conversation that they would do a test take a rapid test the day of so that they knew that they could say that they weren't bringing covid uh to the party as it were and that was making it even harder on me because I wanted to just say, this is the essential question of our time. Does science, do we believe in science or not, or do we believe in BS? And I can't just pretend that's not the case. But then they're like, but I'll also take the test. And then I'm like, well, now the realistic chances of us getting it are kind of going down. Well, yesterday, right as the show was wrapping up, Andrew, guess what?

Somebody put out there on the, and this is now happening, we're actually doing the get-together outside now. We're getting together at a state park under a picnic shelter, a huge one, that has a massive fireplace. So we're going to potentially meet outside. The people who are not vaccinated will have taken an antigen test. And there will just be a giant fire, which is good because a couple of my brother-in-laws, that's mostly what they want to do anyway. It's like tend to the fire. Like they're very good at that kind of stuff. Yeah, I like that too. So, like, there'd just be, like, a huge, giant fire going, which will create some warmth, and it will actually be outside. So I am now—I've tipped over to I'm going to go to it because of all of those things that are now part of the mix. It's not going to be inside. Again, there will be testing, et cetera, et cetera. So that's kind of—that's the update on that from my perspective.

While we're on the topic, I have some thoughts from listeners I want to share with you. But it is still like, that's the mindset that I just don't get. And I guess it is a just a, you know, whether we're talking about the people in your family right now or just the people who hold these beliefs that they are strongly anti-COVID vax. I won't say anti-vax because I don't know. You know, some people feel differently about this one because it was created so quickly and in our lifetime, as opposed to a vaccination that has been around since before most of us were born or what have you. But it's just like I can't imagine being the one person out of, I don't know, I'm just going to round up and say about 40 people for a family gathering that there's one or two that are just like, nope, I'm so strongly against it. that number one i'm gonna go and get tested and then number two we're gonna change the venue we're gonna do it outside like they're they're right their belief on this is so strong that they're gonna go through all of that as opposed to just going to freaking rite aid and getting a jab in the arm like are you reading are you seeing that that millions and millions Millions of people have gotten this and have gotten this vaccine is what I mean. And that it's that it's generally safe. Like, what are you what are you seeing? But anyway, I don't expect you to answer that. But it's just like it's just a I can't imagine being that person.

Well, and it's also interesting because it is in a way a nod to science because what's being expressed is a belief that these tests indicate something. You know, we're going to get the test so we know that we're not giving anyone covid. and also this belief that being outside helps. So it doesn't seem to be, you know, again, there are people that think it's a pandemic, that think it literally doesn't exist, that it's just a false flag, and these are hired actors, and no one's actually died from it, and this is actually made up. This would be the Alex Jones contingent, probably. These folks are not expressing that worldview. They're kind of like about 70% of the way there. They're like, well, we'll get the antigen test, and also we'll keep it outside. I'm like, great. Hey, Fauci, why don't you just walk about another block down that road and just get the vaccine? You're almost there.

Got this note from. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No, I just say that's just extra confusing. It is. I got this note from Donna. I don't know. I'm not saying this to be a bummer, but I think it's just an interesting personal example. Donna says, I was just listening to the show about unvaxed relatives. Here's our story. Thanksgiving dinner with seven relatives, four of whom were over 70 years old. scheduled for November 23rd. Everyone is vaccinated, but some hadn't had a booster yet. My son-in-law felt like he had a cold, so he got a COVID home test the morning of the 23rd. Came back negative, so we had dinner. The son-in-law hugs the grandparents, including me. The next day, he asks his doctor if he can get a prescription for something, but his doctor says he needs to get a PCR COVID test at CVS first. That test comes back positive. A third test is also positive he's got no symptoms but we're all having to isolate now so um you know just be wary of these these home tests yet i also got an email from somebody who do you oh no i don't the one i didn't read the one the one i didn't read wasn't from craig um but go ahead and share craig's uh

this is what craig said i really appreciate your discussion today on dealing with unvaccinated family members i'm on your end of the political spectrum and i'm dealing with some people that i truly love uh but also that are much too friendly with the trump world view for my liking and we're discussing the holiday plans and walking on eggshells uh oh you know what this is just a general uh support from craig there was another one i was confusing this with someone else's who was talking about i'll finish craig's because i started it but then there is another one maybe you were going to read andrew where someone is kind of debating the um efficacy of the pcr versus the antigen test anyway craig finishes up by saying good to hear others talking about the tensions that these things bring up um also andrew the pandemic does seem like it's been going on forever but it'll only be uh two years come march not three um let's not make this any longer than it is yeah that's right i said thanks guys i think i said has it been three years i kind of goaded you into it but um were you gonna read uh were you gonna read the email from clive it wasn't clive

it was somebody else but i'm getting locked whatever go daddy did when they um they transferred this email it is ridiculous and i can i'm literally locked out of my oh here's why andrew this is

listen to the sound listen to the sound of printed paper oh yeah listen to the rhythm of the printed email i'm in now you go ahead and read clives and then i'll okay um uh clive says a thought about your family sitch uh the testing idea is okay but i think people might have it backwards the danger is that the vaccinated folks are carrying the virus but because they are vaccinated no symptoms and no reason to know they are caring. So the danger is that the vaccinated folks inadvertently infect the unvaccinated with obvious potential serious impact for the folks who are not vaccinated. My suggestion for your family dilemma is a conversation with the unvaccinated, explain to them that because you love them, you're going to insist that all the vaccinated people get tested before the event. Regardless, I really appreciate you guys' discussion about this, listening to you deal with these real issues. It's worth my annual donation. And that, my friends, is the important part of that email.

we're trying to do we're trying to make money here um i uh my cat that's what this whole thing is about andrew it's about money and control my cat is doing this very disturbing thing right now that he does sometimes and um he i want to preface this by saying he is alive i can see his chest rising up and down as he breathes you know he's sitting here next to me and he really is like he's on he's he's just been showing more and more signs of just like kind of declining quickly he seems He's happy, but he's just not as whatever. He's just kind of stumbling and bumbling around. We can tell he's sort of losing a lot of strength in his legs and what have you. It's heartbreaking, but he's doing this thing right now where he's all curled up on this chair next to me and he's sleeping, but one of his eyes is open. And it is so disturbing. Have we talked about this before? You'll do this every now and then. And like looking at Theo and it looks like he's looking at you, but he's clearly totally dead to the world, figuratively speaking. It's kind of creepy.

That is a bit odd.

Anyway.

He seemed, we don't need to get into it. And you and, of course, you and Vives know much better than I do kind of where he's at. I will say that when I was at your place on Friday, I'm always surprised. Like I saw him jump onto the couch in the living room. Oh, yeah. He can like, I'm always surprised when I see him do something like that. I'm like, you still got it. Yeah. The couch, you guys are watching him hour by hour.

Yeah. I mean, I would say a month ago he would have been able to hop up on our bed. We have little, we have little stairs to let him walk up and down the bed, but, um, or walk up and down to the bed. We like to, we like to snuggle with them. But, um, he, uh, as a month ago, he would have been able to jump on the bed. Now he can't, I don't even know if I talked about this on the show. I might've, but you know, it was a year ago that he had those, um, seizures and then, uh about a i said a year ago right yeah a year ago he had those seizures in j in uh november and then a couple of weeks ago um i started to see um some more like kind of seizure-esque behavior just these little things that happened around the seizures and so we've upped his medication so i i also don't know how much just the new dosage is just sort of affecting him too he just seems more spacey you just know when you know your pets you just know their behaviors sure absolutely whatever But all of that to say, you know, I don't know if I want to get into all the details here, but we got an email from a listener on you who says that actually, you know, I was kind of going off about the rapid test versus the PCR test. And it looks like, you know, I was sort of saying that the rapid test is less is is less predictive or less accurate is the word I'm looking for. But the thing is, if you get the PCR test and it's a couple of days early, Anya is arguing, that is actually less important than taking one the day of. You know what I mean? Because things can happen in those few days and a viral load can kind of change and you can get a false negative early on if you do end up having it.

Right. Like, because the PCR test takes a couple of days, I've had one. There'd be no way for you to, you couldn't get the PCR test the day you were going to meet people and then get the results. So you'll have, by definition, you'll have gotten it a few days previously and no one knows what could have happened in the, and I know somebody who, this sounds like the beginning of a Facebook post, but I do know somebody who, you know, got COVID. They're OK, but they got COVID after being double vaxxed. And I don't like the question is, if the booster, if they were actually already getting sick when they got the booster, because because they've now been they've had the booster as well. And at post having the booster, they had COVID. But again, the theory is that they'd actually picked it up by coincidence, you might say, right before they got the booster. They didn't know they were sick. They got the booster and then they got COVID. But the point is, it's, it's pretty wild out there. And, and, and it's, I would have thought like at the beginning of this or the middle of this, I don't know, when we had vaccines, I would have said, the chances of somebody catching the breakthrough case, post double vax pre booster is just come on, that's not even a real thing. And then you just hear so many stories. And again, this is a person who I actually know in real life. This is not Nicki Minaj's cousin's friend with the swollen balls or something. like you just hear so many stories from people that you that you know in real life who are vaccinated that you you start to really um and and again i will say this too the people that i know who have gotten covid even despite being vaccinated are all fine and i think that's the big thing to remember with this i don't think we need to really sell our listeners on this much but i mean there's getting there's getting covid and then there's being on a ventilator from covid and i will say that the people that i know who had breakthrough cases are all fine now and that's

the big difference you know i'm going through these emails we have so many so i'm not going to read them all but yeah i mean this really touched a lot of people so i just want to say if we didn't get to your email today um we are they are very interesting and thanks for sending them in i mean they run the gamut from like just concerned and heartbroken to very angry too some people who spent birthday parties with people that they believed were all vaxxed only to find out later that they weren't and it's just like yeah it's just a tough tough time yeah we got an

email from someone who asked us to uh leave their name out because it's a very personal thing and they're i think when we're talking about the same person they're really struggling with how to think about this family member who's um you know a member of their their partner's family but who they really liked and who it turns out is unvaccinated and who was giving hugs and maskless at things, you know, semi-recently when this person was hugging them and doing all these things because of this assumption that this person was vaxxed.

because they would have never thought that they weren't going to be. So it is an intense, it's a very intense thing for people, understandably, me included. And it's something that a lot of us are dealing with this time of year, I guess. I didn't realize how many people were dealing with it until I mentioned it on the air. Another thing that I'm dealing with, which hopefully is maybe less of a shared experience, is being surveilled by my neighbor, Joey. um no that's not true sort of true uh my neighbor uh who i really like in this apartment building who i've i mean i've chatted with him like three times so they've all been very positive chats uh has a a camera that is on like a doorbell cam and it is motion activated and so apparently every time i go in and out of my apartment it sends him a push notification on his phone um and the listeners uh were a number of them were like pretty horrified by this and a listener katherine actually sent a link luke the new york times answered a question about the ring doorbell light in the hallway and i've sent it here to you so thank you katherine um this is the real estate column in the new york times ronda casein answering a question and the question is I live in a rental in Washington Heights. My neighbors across the hall installed a ring camera that captures the entire floor. It faces my apartment directly, providing a clear view inside whenever I open the door. I will say this. I don't, well, I don't know. I don't know what the fisheye nature of this. I've never seen the footage from this camera my neighbor has. But the good news is it doesn't face into my apartment. You know what I mean? It's at a right angle from my apartment. So it probably mostly faces the door. So I guess at least there's that. But this person was asking, whenever I open the door, I feel uncomfortable knowing that all my comings and goings are being recorded. Is this legal? And the response in The New York Times, which I tend to trust, is your neighbor does not have the right to place anything in the hallway, including a door camera, without the landlord's consent. it's unlikely that your landlord has given the neighbor permission to do this because landlords generally don't want tenants tenants damaging the walls uh or recording what's going on in the hallways i've never heard of a landlord consenting to a camera says david frazier a lawyer who represents tenants it creates trouble and it potentially damages walls and ceilings uh so then this advice to this person is to tell the landlord about the camera expressing your concern for the buildings and the walls i will say that the i don't think the walls are in any danger from this camera i think it's more just kind of makes me feel a little weird um so i i do think i could talk to the landlord about it i mean talk to them the management office i'm i'm probably not going to no talk to him directly you guys have a relationship well that's what's funny is at

the end of this uh piece of advice uh the the person giving the advice says well if the landlord doesn't order your neighbor to remove the camera your only recourse would be to speak with them directly and i'm like well that could be that could be step one in a lot of yeah i would go step one on that and keep it civil before you go narking right part of what's part of why i think we have a lot of issues in our society is because you know step one is rarely and i'll admit to being a part of this problem step one is rarely saying um hey a person that i have met as another human i'm wondering could you maybe not do this thing it's to like go to the management office and then try to get them to send him a letter. Oh, man, Andrew, I do have two beefs. I'm not going to talk about I'm on today's show because we're kind of running a little bit short on time. But maybe on tomorrow's show, there are, speaking of, I've got a parking situation and a balcony situation that I am, I was considering composing the Yelp review of a lifetime. That's not true. I was considering composing the annoyed letter to the landlords of this building of all time over these two situations that are going on that maybe I'll tell you about on tomorrow's show. How about that?

Good. You know, just to go back to the camera thing for a second, though, I just had an idea, and I guess it's taken me a week to come up with this. But so you have the two paths that you've sort of laid out, right? Like going to some sort of authority figure, in this case, the landlord, or talking to the person directly. Well, I think that talking to the person directly is the more responsible thing to do, but also I'm a non-confrontational kind of person. And so there's always the middle way, which is make it inconvenient for them to have it out there. And what you need to do is figure out some sort of motion creation device. Right. That's so-

But the push notifications become... Flood him. Just flood him with push notifications. Whether you put a rotating span out there. Just put a metronome. Just staple a metronome to the wall and then let it go. You got to do something. I don't know. I'm trying to think. I'm trying to brainstorm what you could do that would be perpetual motion that would keep triggering it. I think it's going to involve, though, in order for you to set this up, it's going to involve one of those things where you're going to have to make a fake three-dimensional hallway. and you're going to have to push it forward so that it blocks his camera for a while so it looks like the hallway is empty. But really, it's just like a big piece of... Some Real Ocean's 13 shit. Exactly. So work on that first. That's a good art project for you. Do you have any paper mache I can borrow? Uh-huh. Mache. I heard somebody say it. Papier mache. I heard somebody say it like the proper way. Probably on Levitard's show, they were talking to a Brit or somebody and it was amazing to hear the way that is said

in other cultures much more fancy here i go once again with the email every week i hope that it's

from a female oh man it's not from a female all right a quick email or email before we skeedaddle yeah let me do one i have some um oreo related voicemails oh my gosh i've been getting flooded on twitter oh yeah okay i got a couple of good voicemails too i have a feeling um probably several saying the same things as far as uh as far as the tweets are concerned we'll get into that tomorrow um i wanted to share this you and i play this drop sometimes i think i have the right one here you know this is always hard for me to find in my collection and i realize why now i this is before i was labeling all of my audio very carefully and instead of labeling this one drunk i labeled it beers which is really stupid this is from like 2011 hey johnny how about a beer nope that's not even the right one do you have the they was trying to say i was drunk drop because clearly I just played the wrong one there. Okay, hold on. They were trying to say I was drunk. And the background on this story is, or the background on this drop

is... So I'm going to have to turn off the dude, which is fine. I know I hate this. Let's see here. Okay, I've got this right here. God, I have a lot of drops about being drunk. This one is actually called Eight Beers, this version. But you know, I have the full thing as well. I just found it by accident. Oh, you did okay let's just when i put drunk in but anyway here's the here's the what you're talking about

they're trying to say i was drunk i drank eight beers yesterday that was all i drank i cannot figure out why i cannot find that and i know i will stumble on it some other time because i labeled it something stupid maybe send that to me would you mind i need to i need to have that anyway um you and i were talking and actually keep the long one up there maybe because i was

saying i feel terrible though andrew why because years ago our friend television's chris hayes asked if we had that audio or where it was i think he literally wanted to find it for his show this is years this is like got to be like three four years ago and you and i both like checked our systems and couldn't find it and we couldn't find the origin tape or anything and i think i Anyway, read the email, but I think I may have actually found the source audio tape here as well.

Well, that's what I wanted to talk about, because you and I remember the broad strokes of the story, right? It was this guy who was in a demolition derby somewhere, and he got a DUI. And he won, I believe. I don't know if he won, but he definitely got a DUI after the competition, because he had been drinking. And he said, yeah, well, I was drinking, but I wasn't drunk. And that's when he says, I had eight beers yesterday. That's all I had. But the thing is, like, I would love to find the actual source like video of that. But, you know, that was probably 2011 ish, maybe before everything was archived on local news sites. But we got this note from Wade in Lexington, Kentucky, who says you've wondered about the providence of the they said I was drunk drop a number of times. Here's what I have found out. The longer version of the clip includes an intro by an anchor, and that anchor is Sam Dick of WKYT Channel 27 here in Lexington. He just retired after about 30 years. So I knew it was a local story. I remember that it was the Jessamine County Fair as well, where they have the Demolition Derby every year. So I Googled Jessamine County Fair Demolition Derby, and the third or fourth item was a little article from, wait for it, the seattle times july 16th 2011 and the link itself where my daughter works oh yeah it's not a um it's not an article so much as a little roundup of goofy funny things in the sports world written by dwight perry who was a seattle times desk editor at the time it's called sideline chatter i hadn't i was unfamiliar with this column um did you click on this link by the way

yes did you notice who's in this roundup of greg cody greg cody yes i did i wasn't sure if we're going to get into that as well but the lead little

sideline chatter is david l warner jr the winner of the jess you're right winner luke winner of the jessamine county fair demolition derby in nicholsville nicholasville kentucky was immediately charged with driving under the influence during the competition quote i mean i'm not denying i wasn't drinking by no means but i was not drunk warner told kyt tv i was under the limit uh anyway so that's just a little blurb on it we still don't have the original news story in video form but can i hear the longer version you have in your archive i i okay i have not previewed this the listeners

will be shocked to know but this is something that's uh in my system called they's trying to say i was drunk and it's a minute and 23 seconds which is why i'm thinking it might be the original tape so we are all going to listen to this together and find out four one seven one oh no oh no this This is probably a voicemail from some listener. Is this when they were slowing down our voices? Oh, that's when they were, that's when they were, yeah, when they were slowed down. Well, I do have Drunk Demo Derby TBTL Mashup, which is 29 seconds, and which I'm guessing is probably the best bits from it. So I'll play that at least, okay? So let's hear this.

And good afternoon. He took home top fives at the County Fair Demolition Derby, but his time in the spotlight took a different turn.

Well, we are here at the Demolition Derby Pit, where last night, Nicholasville police were already waiting for David Warner as soon as he got out of his vehicle. They were trying to say I was drunk. I drank eight beers yesterday. That was all I drank.

TBTL. Okay, I see. So that's like the best, that's the most complete version that we have, which I'm imagining I edited down, you know, from the full television piece. but um i i remain hopeful that we i'm also glad that i didn't just completely um let our friend chris hayes down because when i thought that i had the full file and hadn't sent it to him i felt bad about that but the good news is i actually don't have it so and the thing is we now know exactly

what the tv station is they simply have not archived it online like i think this is the end of the um this is the end of the of the road for this one because we now know exactly what the story is what station it aired on and you found your whatever that was 30 seconds of tape there so that's all yeah we're getting closer to it but i mean if we what we need is an inside person at the tv station right or at the demolition derby or at the demo derby we need to get that tape i

wonder how that guy's doing i mean that guy's probably we could probably zaba search that guy we got his name now zaba search oh my god i haven't zaba shout out to my radio producer between the people trying to open screeners and trying to find random people to book on shows i've made this a highly highly specific episode of the program search still out there zaba-ing i love it i love i felt like i was just sometimes i mean not not often but every once in a while you know if i got someone and they were hard to get and so i'm like god how'd you do it i was like got a little friend called zaba search zaba daba do indeed actually that's a good show title zaba daba do what did i write down before Or coffee and donors. I like that, too. Although that almost feels like we spent the whole show talking about donations. And Lord knows we do that. There's a week where we do that.

Yeah. I almost like Zabba Dabba Doo. I like Zabba Dabba Doo. All right. Should we go out with a Flintstones-inspired rock and roll song? Probably. Do you have any? How do you pick one? Oh, there was. Wait, hold on. Wait. We can do this. What was the Flintstones live action movie called? Viva Rock Vegas that was that was Flintstones 2 yeah Viva Rock Vegas but what would be the Flintstones soundtrack because I feel like that was one of those things oh you know who it was Luke it was the B-52s oh well they had a and I think this is a terrible song but let's just look it up here yeah how about the B-52s doing Meet the Flintstones or do you have something better

Flintstones Meet the Flintstones Meet the Flintstones Flying through the town Their feet go through the cars Fred Flintstone Is that what the song sounds like? Were you playing it or were you singing that? That was me No it wasn't I swear to you Andrew I will start doing zoom for these so you can see That was me Those sounds were coming from my body I'm looking for

Okay I have to play this off of YouTube Luke Which I think it begins with, appropriately enough, a fake newscast. So do me a favor. Before you start wrapping up, let me play the beginning of this. When the music begins, then give us an outro. But you've only got about two and a half minutes to do it. So here we go. Tight windows, Luke. Tight windows. For me, they are.

This is Susan Rock.

The Cave News Network coming to you live from Jurassic Park in downtown Bedrock. An historic event, indeed, as we witness the final concert in their grueling four-day world tour. The planet's only rock band, the BC-52s.

I was wondering how they were going to make B-52s Flintstones. You've got about two minutes. Is that John Goodman, I guess? okay i'm kind of honestly i'm kind of feeling oh yeah all right thanks for listening everyone uh we're gonna be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you so please do join us for that until then have a great tuesday stay safe if you you know if you order a giant side of mammoth ribs don't put them on the side of the car because it's just gonna tip the thing over i mean that's physics uh we'll see you tomorrow until then please remember no mountain too tall. And good luck to all. We'll be right back. everybody's drinking the coffee everybody's pouring the cream power out