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All right, hello. Good morning. And welcome everyone to a Tuesday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Peace and love, peace and love. My name is Luke Burbank, I am your host. Hey, where's the freaking gabagoo? Coming to you from day two of self-isolation.

This is so boring and forever taking.

Thanks to Omicron. I will say actually it was kind of nice yesterday I watched a couple of movies I took down my very elaborate aluminum 1950s Christmas tree Which turns out like a three hour process To take that thing apart and put it back in its protective packaging It's kind of a productive day of battling a global pandemic As you can still hear, I've got a little bit of it in my voice But I am feeling pretty good today, despite the extremely rainy conditions. Didn't know you like to get wet, though. Very not dry here in Portland, where that atmospheric river of rain has made its way over the 503. But here we are at the 3595, as in episode 3595 in a collector series. It's going to be a good one. Let the fun begin. I just know it because we're going to get a visit from our dear friend, television's Chris Hayes.

You're like the coolest person I've ever met.

You know him from All In on MSNBC, the Why Is This Happening podcast. I think he's on the Ezra Klein show this week over at the New York Times site. And I'd say top of the entire list, he will also be on TVTL today. So we'll chat with him coming up in just a few moments. And it's going to be very, it's very fortuitous that we have our friend Chris Hayes stopping by a certified and bonafide East Coaster. Because there are a couple of terms, phrases, ways of describing things that certain East Coasters do that I have never fully understood and I want to run those by him.

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

I want to get his thoughts on calling out sick Versus calling in sick And then of course Waiting in line for something Versus waiting online for something As an east coaster And a master of words I want to hear his defense Of those two New York isms That I still struggle with to this day And I don't know if we'll have time for this But at some point this week We gotta talk about Magawa the hero rat

It jumps out at you like a rat Your underwear drawer.

Who recently, RIP, left this earth after eight years of being just an absolute hero in Cambodia. In fact, Magawa the rat received the PDSA gold medal. It's the George Cross for animals. So we will at some point remember the life of Magawa the hero rat. We'll do all that with the help of this young man, the longest-running co-bro of the show. Are you sure? That's what they said on Ask Jeeves. Maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He's Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my friend. Good morning, Luke.

I'm wondering if I should maybe ask for your help on something today, or maybe the listeners' help. I don't know. I discovered— I'd say ask for their help. Have you— Okay, that's a good point. Ever gotten help from me? Okay, listen. Listeners. Just, Luke, you sit back for a second, okay? I'm talking directly to the listeners. I find myself in a situation where I could use a few bucks. Not a lot, but if everybody could just send in a self-addressed stamped envelope to me. I don't know why self-addressed stamped envelope, because I'm not sending anything back, but I could use your dollarinos. That cash could really get me out of a couple of jams. Have you ever sent a self-addressed stamped envelope? I am going somewhere with this. Not that part.

But, yeah, I feel like that was a very, very big deal in the 80s. Yeah, never. Everything was just send a self-addressed stamped envelope.

Yeah, and you're going to get something back. Well, you're not getting anything back from me. Here's the actual thing that I've been contemplating this morning. So I just discovered a function on my phone the other day. I'm sure I'm very late to the game, but I was setting an alarm for myself to get up in the morning. I always use my phone for that. No big deal there. But I've always traditionally used the, you know, the built-in ringtones and alarms on the phone. And the other day my phone said, hey, Andrew, do you know that you can just choose a song off of Spotify or an album off of Spotify? And we'll wake you up with that. And I was like, oh, well, that's fun. Like, that spoke to my, like, you know, love of doohickiness, right? Like, oh, yeah, that sounds great. But you know the problem immediately, right? You don't want to choose a song that you love because you'll hate it within, like, two days of waking up to it.

You will start to associate that song with opening your eyes and greeting the day, which is not something you particularly like.

No, I hate waking up. Hate going to sleep and hate waking up. Love the act of sleeping, though.

that is interesting i never thought of that yeah both ends of that both bookends of that experience are not your favorite you like andy times you like to be the last person to go to bed and uh you like uh you don't like uh getting up i don't like waking up love sleeping though

ironically so anyway i'm trying to find songs that are somewhere in the middle because i also don't want to wake up to a song i hate that's going to irritate me you know i don't want to wake up to ugly kid joe so don't be like hey this song is already burned you know you hate it so

You ironically hate almost everything about sleeping. I mean, if you think, if there's three components of sleeping, going to bed, waking up, and the sleeping part, you hate two-thirds of it. But the third that I like, I love a lot. I was mostly just trying to work in Hate Everything About You, the only Ugly Kid Joe song I can name. Right. That's the only?

Hate everything about you. Actually, now that I think about it, I do – I like everything in the middle of that Ugly Kid Joe album, but I hate the first song and the last song. Now that you know. You know, I'm trying to think, like, there are other – you know, there are songs that we hate, but I don't want to wake up to a song that I hate either. I need to find the middle ground, and I thought I found the middle ground with the song Cosmic Thing by the B-52s.

by the way I was trying to play Ugly Kid Joe but this song is even more annoying than I remember it being it starts with a bunch of talking and a bunch of BS I'm sorry about that

I went with like a middling B-52 song because I'm like you know it's a bright cheery sound a little aggressive it's going to get me up but I don't want to pick one of my favorite B-52 songs because again I'll associate that with this alarm which is just like it's not good we know that feeling right when you're watching tv and i notice everybody i think everybody on uh succession uses androids because when the or the t-mobile or something because when one of their phone rings i jump out of my skin um so i don't i don't want to like be triggered by a song in the future that i used for an alarm uh today so anyway i don't know i just need to find middle ground songs or go back to the janky rings of old i guess what are your alarms named huh i don't usually you know i used to name them after theo's pills but now i don't really have a name and i didn't mean that as uh maudlin as it sounds but truly that was the only time i named alarms because the only other alarms i need are to wake up like so i don't have like wake up one wake up two i just have like you know 7 15 7 30 i also set

a lot of alarms i am uh i'm just looking through the old alarms on my phone you know and there's one two three four five at 2 30 p.m something called suit bag oh at some point i needed to do something with a suit bag there's another one 7 15 p.m meal train reminder i think i was maybe sending someone some some food somebody who had lost a loved one i think there's a program Called Meal Train Yes Andrew You're not the only Benevolent person On this show

I'm sorry Let's take a moment To celebrate your

You the hero I have one 8.55pm Now these aren't These times

Times don't actually correlate with or to the thing. What's happened is at some point 1,000 years ago, I named these alarms. And then over time, I just go in and keep changing the time. I was not at 8.55 p.m. saying, oil change Toyota. And then 10.55 p.m., for some reason, one, text Becca re-burn, which is this kind of like it's like a Peloton thing, but you go to a place called burn cycle. It's a big deal here in Portland And it's wild because At 5 o'clock on Sundays The week of burn cycle appointments become available The classes And when Beck and I were first dating Her alarm went off at like 4.58 on a Sunday afternoon I said, what's that about? And she said, I've got to go online to sign up for these cycling classes And I was like, what are they going to fill up at like 5.03? And she was like, no, at 5.01, they will be full. And I witnessed one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen, which is at 5 o'clock, she logs into this thing. And at 5 o'clock and 30 seconds, all the classes are taken. Some of it has to do with the pandemic. And I think they lowered the capacity. They're very safe over there. but even so the fact that there are 200 people here in Portland who all have an alarm set at 455 and it's you know it's important it's like we have to make sure if we're hanging out on Sunday that we are somewhere with Excel service like if she were to log in at 503 all the classes would be done it's it's really something to me that there are this many fit people who take it this seriously I ain't one of them that's for sure you want to be careful with

that alarm name though i thought you were gonna like call her or text her and burn her just like in the middle of a sunday afternoon no that's she's picked up a phone 45 becca roast yeah exactly when you were born the doctor spanked the wrong end boom then you just hang up roasted love you

sweetie bye yeah trying to think of some other some other i used to know a bunch i mean i'm sure they're all just absolutely horrible now but i used to know so many of those jokes that were basically about baby people being born and the doctor not having the typical reaction

i didn't realize that was a job in 2022 oh yeah when you were born yeah i like that as a 2022 when you were dorm when you were born the doctor didn't have the proper reaction

the doctor found something about you surprising upon your birth and potentially beautiful And responded atypically But that was a whole genre of like Roasts and caps and burns When I was a kid When you were born the doctor said this When you were born the doctor did this But it's weird because Part of it is just my faulty memory at age 45 But I remember You know when you were born the doctor slapped the wrong end That's all I got on this That's supposed to be like your face looked like a butt But I used to know know i swear i used to know like 20 of those and again it's probably just as well that i've forgotten them because i'm most of them were probably not they weren't nice anyway although i don't remember them being particularly racist or sexist or anything is really just ugly so i guess there's you ugly right u g l y you ain't got no alibi you ugly are you familiar with the um

when they were passing out genre of jokes when they were passing out noses they yes you thought they said roses and you asked for a big red one uh-huh yeah i used to have a couple of those in my pocket i'm trying to remember the others i want the one that i know uh i was like when god

was handing out brains you thought they said trains and you missed yours oh that was it okay that's the one i knew yeah it would be a weird reaction to um hearing god's handing out trains

you're like i'll miss that one yeah right like that's a double mistake like didn't you want to catch the train well what do you have i have a i have a body one can i tell a body one yeah okay

warning everybody body joke a common when god when god when god was handing out dicks you thought he said sticks and asked for a twig that was a big why would you want a twig anyway i don't know again none of these make any sense you're just compounding the issue in heaven are you in heaven Isn't it this, like, also, like, geographically, where are you when this misunderstanding, you're in heaven, and God's like, okay, trains, and you're like, miss me with that, God.

Yeah, exactly, and you're a bunch of people who are standing around without noses, brains, or genitalia, just, like, waiting to pick yours. What did that, what does that cue look like? It turns out most of what we were saying as kids was just utter and total nonsense. I'm going to say, I'm going to.

I'm going to go out on a limb here. I'm going to go out on a twig here and say the kids say the darndest things.

I'm going to go out on a twig here. It's very good. Speaking of going out on a twig, I watched an incredible movie on Netflix last night that I have to tell you, Andrew, you absolutely should not watch. It's called The Alpinist. And I think it's relatively new. It's in the genre of, like, Free Solo and all those movies about extreme climbers. That's why I don't think you should watch it. Oh, yeah. Because it gave me a bit of the willies, this particular guy from British Columbia who, his whole thing, I mean, he was just, he's an incredible climber of any kind of surface. I don't know if you heard about the Alex Honnold guy, but Alex Honnold is the guy who climbed that, I want to say it was El Capitan or one of those very iconic rock surfaces, but he climbed it without a rope. That's called free soloing. So not only are you doing this incredibly scary thing, but you don't have any safety mechanism if you fall. And so there was this documentary, which I think won an Oscar about him called Free Solo. And it's incredible what that guy does. But this is about this other dude who, I think his name was Mark Anthony LeClaire. Anyway, he would do, he climbs these ice waterfalls that are like, so imagine there's a rock face like the thing Alex Honnold would climb. But then there's a waterfall and then at some point it gets cold enough that that water just freezes. And then he says that's what I'm gonna go ahead and climb But the problem is there's only so much waterfall So he also he's climbing up this ice thing And then he gets to a part that's just rock He's still in all of his like weird ice climbing gear And then he just like takes off the gloves And then just continues to climb up the rock With that stuff on it's called mixed climbing And like the visuals of what this guy is doing in this documentary Are absolutely and totally breathtaking thinking of what he is climbing and the equipment that he's climbing it in or lack thereof it is just absolutely stunning so if you like those kinds of movies i would recommend the alpinist

if you are andrew i would not recommend the alpinist what is the kind of this is a doc right so what is like the perspective on the movie like because i remember free solo which i didn't love for these same reasons but i watched parts of i watched a big chunk of that um i just didn't watch it kind of linearly Genevieve had it on but you know I know that a big part of it was concern from his loved ones I think specifically his fiancé although I could be wrong about those details and some of the emotional anguish that goes along with being and loving someone who does these adventures does this alpinist movie like what is the driving force or is it

just something that no it's actually kind of interesting because everybody in this guy's life well you know his partner She is herself like an incredible free soloist

That makes sense

So she doesn't seem phased by it In fact, it's kind of their big bonding thing Is to get out there and climb around on stuff Which makes it sound like they're at a jungle gym At an elementary school Their thing is to get out there and climb up the sheer face Of extremely scary mountains or rocks So she doesn't seem particularly worried about that They do not raise that as the dramatic tension And also his mother, who seems kind of amazing she was a I think a pretty young mom maybe even a single mom who just would you know her son was kind of not a conventional learner in school but he just loved being outside he loved being in nature climbing up things so she would just take him out in the wilderness all the time and let him do his thing so she also seems pretty cool with it but I was not cool with it watching it I was terrified for this guy like I just could not believe that he was surviving these climbs because again it's i would be incapable of doing any of this stuff but even alex honnold who's in the film is like i don't understand how he's doing any of this like he's getting like i said he'll be like you're wearing a certain kind of equipment to get up you know ice like i'm and we're talking a straight up and down sheer frozen waterfall so let's climb i mean those are notoriously slippery i don't know if you know this andrew but they're one of the more frozen waterfalls known for their

slipperiness oh really okay i see i what i've done is i've usually climbed up vaseline waterfalls frozen vaseline waterfalls yeah so this sounds a little amateurish just to me though but i have

a very specific angle on this topic totally well for the rest of us for those of us who don't don't play in that space these waterfalls are extremely slippery and so you're just like he's just like marching his way up this thing and like every time he puts the ice pick in it the first thing that happened.

is the ice breaks it's not like it's not like a thing where he goes chunk and then it's just like well that's a good hold and now let me pull my whole body weight weight up with no ropes or safety it'll be like he'll he'll conk the thing into the ice he'll whomp the ice i thought our friend chris hayes was going to be on in a few minutes i thought he used whomp on his show last night and i was like i rewound it and i listened again because if that happened he's definitely been listening to tbtl we've been talking or at least the no point we've been talking a lot of whomping lately yeah did he say whomp when you rewound no he said something like whoop i think or something i'm always looking for little elements of our influence on his very popular television program but anyway it's not like he just like puts the thing in the ice and it just like sticks really solidly the first time he chops it in like a big chunk of waterfall dissolves and then he gets like a find a different place to put it like no part of it is not precarious anyway but it's an what they can do now and again i'm sure that this was a big big part of um free solo as well just the cinematography um on that film was incredible but what they can do with drones now it's just unbelievable it's wild to me to think that i am old enough andrew and i have been working in television long enough that i can remember a period of time before we had drones now it's all the best shots that we ever get for cbs are drone shots right um but of course I did that Story about the sailboat race Well really it's just a boat race from Port Townsend The small maritime village of Port Townsend Up to Ketchikan, Alaska And it was Just towards the tail end of the Hiring a helicopter era And I've told this story many times on the show But the helicopter was flying so low At the beginning of the race that someone called the police on the helicopter And Cop car was just driving on the Back and forth on the land in Port Townsend with its siren on and its loudspeaker going, pull over, you're under arrest, to a helicopter, which was really incredible to watch.

Just even the idea of calling the cops on a helicopter is interesting to me. Like, just seeing a helicopter and calling the cops and saying, hey, cops, we have a helicopter situation. Come get them. And then, yeah, like, again, hammer and nail kind of situation there. If you're in a car trying to get a helicopter to come down, like, I guess you have the force of the law behind you. I guess that's the idea there. I don't know what I think it ended up being

An FAA matter To be honest But you know We By The great irony is We never even used Any of the footage From that helicopter I don't know why But we didn't But then you flash forward Just a year or two And these drones Are unreal I was doing a Shoot in Texas For a story that is Also yet to air I'm becoming the league leader Andrew in shelved stories Right now I think I have about 15 But I was at that Doing the story about That gas station Called Bucky's in Texas They have these enormous gas stations Like a gas station the size of a Costco Which Costco also has gas So I don't know, is Costco a gas station the size of a Costco? But they wanted to get this shot of me Driving down this old country road in Texas As a setup for the gas station part And they had a drone Flying at 50 miles an hour with me Just parallel to me in a field I'm just driving down a highway And I have a walkie-talkie in the car and they're like okay and i'm just keep looking forward and i kind of glance over and there is just i mean it's like something out of an alien movie or something this drone is just cruising at 50 miles an hour completely locked like perfectly steady because of whatever the gyroscope in there just getting this shot it's incredible what they can do with that stuff yeah it sounds

amazing i um didn't you tell me that one of the amazing things about free solo was that they didn't rely a lot on drone that they had actually there's a whole yeah there's a documentary within a documentary potentially about the person who also had to climb alongside the main character

free solo whose name Alex something Alex Honnold and yeah the filmmakers named Jimmy Chin uh and yeah Jimmy Chin and his wife and a few other people I believe made that film and uh they're all unbelievably expert climbers and jimmy chin is probably himself considered world class which is how you're able to yeah get up there with a camera and be on the wall as alex honnold is cruising by now they had ropes obviously but even so it's like you could only be made by people who were really good at climbing that was one other quick thing about this um the alpinist and then we can move on uh there was this one moment where so this what i found kind of interesting about this guy um mark anthony leclerc god i hope i'm right about that why am i why did i not just take two seconds to write the guy's name down but um he is not seeking the spotlight they start making this documentary about him and then he just goes dark he just stops calling him back first of all he doesn't have a cell phone he just like stops like they can't find him and he's just been out climbing these in insane things by himself with no camera crew and he says well I want to do it by myself I don't want a camera crew there because then it's less fun for me which was also very charming you know he was he's somebody who just has is not operating it's not motivated by the same things that I'm motivated by but anyway he he does this one climb what he agrees to with the filmmakers is he's like I'll let my climbing buddy come with me and he can bring a camera and whatever he gets is what he gets but I don't want to be have like a big crew there I just want to go do this climb but i thought let's give the friends some credit the friends also doing this climb but with a camera and i feel like they're celebrating the guy when he finishes the climb and everything and i'm like

let's also not forget homeboy who climbed with you with the camera uh mark andre leclerc i believe andre was his buddy ryan johnson because i'm just reading wikipedia he has a buddy named ryan

johnson but maybe this i don't remember see i'm part of the problem andrew i don't remember the buddy's name, which is, which if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem burbs. Um, all right, let's do this. Let's take a quick break. And then when we come back, uh, we will check in with our friend, uh, Chris Hayes and, uh, uh, we will talk about East coast. We'll create an East coast, West coast beef over the terminology of call out sick versus call in sick. Um, coming up in a moment right here on TBTL. Hey, let's thank some donors of the day. These are the wonderful, generous, supportive listeners who make a monthly donation to the show. This is how we're able to do this thing. God, Andrew, it's still a ways off, but it's almost time for you and I to start, to put our little heads together and start thinking TBTL-a-thon. Yeah. 2022.

Do you want me to be a part of that this year?

If you're not out on one of your climbing adventures that I know you like to go, you like to go dark for a month or two and go down to Patagonia and do some climbing. But only in the winter when it's especially dangerous.

Actually, I just climb up a Patagonia store. When I say climb up, I stand on a curb and sort of like reach a little bit. That's what I do.

We know that can be dangerous for you, those curbs. Too soon? I know.

Did they cover that in the documentary? I mean, honestly, you want to talk about a hero. How about Marc-Andre chases a bus in the city and see if he survives that?

I don't know. He might have trouble with that. He's very good at climbing up things, but I don't know about running after things.

Yeah, exactly. It's actually the lateral. It's the parallel. You're going to watch out.

They don't talk about that. I'll tell you who's very good at supporting TBTL, Max Wolkowitz. Hey, man. In Brooklyn, New York, part of our New York Max contingent. That's not just a news radio station there New York Max Give us 10 minutes We'll give you the world I feel like we have a couple of Max's out there Max Is this the Max that is on television? Is this the Max that's on the TV show FBI?

It had an appearance on FBI I don't know if that's a regular gig for him But definitely an actor And definitely drew a Oh Danny's the

Danny's the The regular The series regular

Yeah exactly We have two listeners who are in the same scene On the same TV show And I also believe that Max Drew, have you seen this cartoon image of you and me as Scooby and Shaggy? Do you remember this?

Yes.

I believe that is a Max original, yes.

Thanks, Max. Also, thanks to, what would your guess on this first name be?

Rocio? Rocio? I think Rocio is what I would go with, although I have no insider information on this one.

Grenier in San Diego, California. Thank you. Rocio Or Rocio For supporting us From down there In beautiful San Diego Zach Labby Is in McFarland Wisconsin This is a hell of a Geographic distribution

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McFarland Wisconsin And then Beth Wright In Seattle Washington Oh I'm familiar with that Yep Beautiful city Mmhmm Anita Darpino Is in Lancaster Pennsylvania Checking in from the Keystone State Thanks, Anita And then James West is in Commerce City, Colorado Just right kind of in the middle of all of it We've got people in the Northeast, the Southwest, the Midwest, the Seattle, the Pennsylvania And then right there, kind of in the middle, keeping it all together The piece of dirt at the middle of the snowball That is today's Donors of the Day is James West

Thanks, James, you piece of dirt Just recapping what Luke said, that's not on me I like the fact that James West is—

You're making this coming TV telethon that much harder with statements like that.

Just kidding, James. But I'm glad that James is kind of out west in Colorado. Yeah. Right? It would have been a—

I mean, listen, James, you can make up your own mind as to where to live, but it would have been a somewhat disappointing thing to hear that you were in, I don't know, Florida or Baltimore.

No, it's perfect. It was just absolutely perfect today. Like our donors of the day, they're just absolutely perfect. Thank you for supporting TBTL. We would not be here without you. hello and welcome to top story i guess our top story today is that a dear friend of the show is stopping by um let's get ready to enter scat man's world with televisions chris hayes

hey buddy hey how's it going i was actually gonna do the ahoy hoy but i can't do the ahoy hoy back to back with the drop of ahoy but it's great to see you guys talk to you it's very nice

to talk to you i see you on television every night i feel i i wonder if you have this sense with tbtl chris where you listen to it so much that you feel like you're in rhythm with us when i'm watching your show like last night not to get political on it but there you were playing that clip of jim jordan very unconvincingly defending his phone conversations with trump on january 6th and it's so cringe inducing and i think it cuts back to you and you go i forget what you said but it was something along like i was out loud saying like yeah that that checks out and you go like

yeah yeah that checks out yes no i've been i've been i've been uh in these holidays i gotta say let me just start with uh giving you guys a little shine i i think you guys are really onto something with the summer games winter games they are really working for me i am hey all right i i like i really look forward to them and i i they were they were a delight to have i'm i mean i'm i'm glad your bosses don't let you take any time off uh that's good uh clearly you guys talked about that as well uh that came through but um no it's a it's a good it's a it's a pretty damn good and i thought the listener the quizzes were brilliant were really really smart and inventive and fun owen wilson one the owen wilson one the bible lord of the rings yes that was brilliant the sha na na la la la one was really good they were they were great

yes really well well done um did you drop a two bros growing it up on one of your products recently because i saw a lot of chatter amongst the listeners i i i definitely did and i again

to go back to luke's thing i i don't even realize it anymore as a it's just like the parts of my brain that have been colonized by uh tbtl the only colonizing we still stand behind by the way it's a colony and a nation i don't know if you've heard yeah nice very good yeah very it's unproblematic colonizing no i i definitely dropped a two bros two bros broing it up um uh and uh and uh yeah i uh i didn't even know i think i realized afterwards and i was like oh i wonder

if any of the tens will catch that but apparently they did yes yeah whenever you let slip some tbtl ism immediately all of our social media feeds light up like a christmas tree we are even if we haven't gotten to that episode yet i want to say too if we can just kind of convene this uh mutual uh appreciation society chris of course i love the tv show but i mean the real appointment chris hayes content for me is the why is this happening podcast which continues to just absolutely dazzle me loved the uh episode on weight lifting uh that was fun wasn't it yeah every single week i always i always enjoy it but it's just it's like my favorite podcast out there that includes tb chill by the way it's not even close that's very sweet of you i i appreciate i

really like doing it i had fun with the weight lifting one i like it's also nice just different to do different things and sort of think about different things um i mean i'm lucky because like the news is just great right now it makes you feel good like focusing on it is really like a positive feeling so i'm lucky that i get to like really stew in that you know it's like just real real good for the mental health so it's a bummer to get away from it but uh yeah sometimes you can talk about weightlifting um or or other stuff uh it's it's pretty good now when

you're not lifting weights or hosting your various programs what you like to do is watch 12 to 73 hours of beatles documentary footage and then and then text us and go i am coming on the show to discuss get back you were you were like you guys you were like live texting me and andrew as you were watching you like this is some of the best television i've ever seen for some reason i thought

well i thought of andrew because i know of andrew and i when andrew talks about his experience the beatles is very similar to mine of like i think around the age of 12 or 13 i remember i got my first i got for christmas i had asked for one of the the sony walkman the sport ones the yellow ones with like the latch that went over it it even had

like some weird thing where you could sort of fast forward like it could sense where there was a track break you could like fast forward to a track break um and i got that and i got sergeant pepper's cassette and maybe one other beatles album and i just got so obsessed like obsessed obsessed obsessed obsessed and you know that was like a formative part of my music experience and then i don't think i listen to beatles a ton and then there's something so i don't know man like comforting inspirational beautiful about watching them as 26 year olds you know in the throes of kind of an intense you know the basically the last days of the band but they still love each other and they're working together and it felt like a time machine and i just i thought i think i thought thought of andrew because i knew of his his love of the band and i was like you guys have to watch this because it's a really it's just unlike anything i've ever watched before it really does feel the closest to someone was like here you get to go in a time machine to like pick a time on earth that you would like to be it's like i don't know i'd like to be in the in the room while they're doing abbey road i guess it's like yeah yeah okay sure this is what it looks like it's like holy crap so yeah did you so you guys watched it i did did you get through all of it

andrew no i'm about halfway through and i actually kind of wanted to ask your advice on this too because no spoilers Chris yeah how many albums do they end up making um I uh you know like you Chris I'm you know you described it well I was just an obsessive Beatles fan growing up so I kind of know the broad strokes a lot of these stories and I've watched you know growing up I watched all the other documentaries including like literally in my closet behind me right now I have like that eight or ten VHS tape uh set of like that that Beatles documentary that came out in the 90s um so I kind of knew the broad strokes and I gotta say when I heard the buzz about this I was like I don't know if I want to dip back into that my my feelings towards the Beatles have kind of somewhat changed over the years not all not all negatively but just differently um and I was like I I don't know like I kind of know the story do I also I thought it was six hours not eight hours which it's closer to eight hours and um you raved about it so I'm like all right well this is definitely worth checking out. Then I went on like a five hour plane ride and that was perfect. I watched like the first five hours of it or four hours of it or what have you on a plane. And it was, it was perfect thing. It was the perfect thing to watch on a plane. But now that I'm back home, I have found it very hard to put myself in the mental space to get back into it. So to speak. Yeah. Yeah.

Having trouble getting back to where you once were watching.

Exactly. And I don't know, like, I don't know if I want you to convince me of it or what I'm even trying to say here, but it's like I don't – for those people who are on the ground and not like a captive audience watching an eight-hour documentary, like, what was your experience of watching it? Were you sitting there in your, like, living room paying attention? Were you puttering around?

Yeah, I was more – I would put it more – a little more in the puttering category. I watched it. I was up in I was sort of away from my family doing the show sort of out of New York for a week before the holidays. And so that was kind of perfect time for me. And yes, I definitely it was not like it's not. I mean, I think it depends. It depends if like, you know, if you've if you've maybe had a few drinks or or, you know, popped a gummy or something and you're sort of sitting there like, you know, in the right frame of mind to just kind of like let it wash over you. or if you're you're kind of puttering on your laptop i was doing more of the puttering on my laptop but i still because it is like you're right there's no i mean that's the thing that's so weird and i think makes it such a unique televisual experience that like there's no plot like there's not it's not a movie it's like it really is just like a time machine you're just watching them sometimes it's interesting sometimes it's just kind of like there's nothing happening per se um so yeah i would say like i think it's a perfect thing to put on while you're doing other puttering um or even like playing one of your one of your video games i don't know if you're mining any wheat or something yeah yeah i've been mining a lot of wheat might be andrew you can put it on

your weird overhead projector in your office and yeah create a real happening that's actually

something i've been thinking about yeah because the thing is i mean chris i i agree with you to a degree about that that nothing happens like i was actually surprised by the built-in narrative arc actually the way it did you know kind of build up to you know spoilers everybody about the Beatles but you know leading up to to George quitting the band I sort of forgot that that happened and then them trying to bring him back I actually think Peter Jackson does a pretty good job of finding those little mini narratives with the highs and the lows and that's actually I think the question maybe I was trying to ask you which is I am now in the mode where I'm like well I kind of want to watch it as a background thing but is it the type of thing where I'm I would have missed a lot like that weird conversation and again we're just going to talk talk about this as if everybody's kind of up to speed on it if you don't mind but there is a um

a secretly recorded conversation that I assume has never been shared before between Paul and John. They go into another room to discuss the George situation while George is still out of the band, and they're trying to figure out how to bring him in. So they go to a place where they're not being recorded, so they think. But the producers hid a microphone in, I believe, a houseplant or something. Flowerpot or something? A flowerpot. And it's a little bit hard to follow, frankly, exactly what they're talking about but you hear them kind of arguing but both arguing towards like how can we kind of get george back and save the band and it is it is fascinating it's also confusing but it's fascinating and i'm just like is this the type of thing that i should only be

paying attention with with one ear you know yeah yeah no i mean that is that is i think the most i don't think there's really another example of something like that and particularly once the last part is more is less angsty and more music and more joyful because the part that you haven't watched they basically go to another studio yeah um and they and then and then they play a lot of music so it's it's a more it's less it's less of that if there's a lot less of that i mean the thing i will say like that conversation which i agree is like confusing but it's also like so british because they just can't actually talk about their feelings they're like talking around it but but it's really amazing like they can't say like and they are saying it to the The thing that I found the most affecting about it, to go back to what you were saying before, like, I had a similar thing. I was obsessed with Eagles, and then I think I went through a long period of, like, they're kind of corny. It doesn't really, like, their music doesn't really hold up that much to me. And then this brought me full 360. I was like, their music's incredible, and they're geniuses. They are once-in-a-lifetime geniuses, and something about seeing them write the songs, And then also really listening to the songs and listening to the way their musical genius functioned collaboratively. And also the thing that I just found so affecting. And I think this gets to something just like profound about the age that the three of us are in where, you know, you guys are. Thank you for rounding up, Chris. Yeah.

Like six years older than you.

I don't know if that's true. Whatever. We're in our 40s, and, like, you know, you're just at that age where people are younger than you, and people that are younger than you are doing, like, very grown-up and impressive things. And, you know, you have doctors younger than you. I mean, the first time I had a doctor younger than me, I was like, what is going on here, you know? And I just found it – there was something so affecting and tender about the fact they're 26 years old, and they've known each other since they were 17 or 18. They've gone through this incredible experience together. And what I found shocking was they really didn't seem like assholes at all. Yes. The degree to which they seem like down-to-earth, nice, kind of hardworking lads. And they – I mean the director is like the biggest, ridiculous, pain in the ass in the world. Michael Lindsay Hogg. Michael Lindsay Hogg will keep telling them like 2,000 torsionate Arabs. 2,000 torsionate Arabs.

I know. like fuck that guy how is he in the room with the beatles and somehow thinking he's the most

talented person in the room yes well hey hey boys check it out i have an idea oh michael lindsey hogg you have an idea sure i paul mccartney should probably just stfu and listen to your idea it's

not like i have any like creative vision like it's like talk about the tail wagging the dog on the whole thing it's like where are we gonna shoot where are we rehearsing they're just like we've got to write a bleeping record and he's like yeah but i don't like the lighting in here

it's like get over yourself bro but then but the craziest thing about that is that there is no point and maybe it happens off camera again like there's always the fact that the camera's around we're not seeing what happens off camera at no point does paul mccartney or john lennon say hey buddy shut up we're the beatles okay like we don't care about your ideas we're the most important rock band ever like how about you sit over there in the corner and just watch us be geniuses they're just totally polite they're deferential paul doesn't want to like shoot down his idea so he keeps saying like oh ringo won't go hey ringo won't go oh sorry like you can't get ringo to limbia i mean i know like oh it's a great idea but ringo won't go it's like every interaction like i just had this vision i think of them and particularly because of the way that it's come down through lore and let it be in Yoko Ono was that like, basically my vision of late Beatles is the fame had gotten to their heads. John had lost his mind. He's doing all sorts of crazy stuff with Yoko. And, and it was sort of a classic story of like something pure being kind of like corrupted by fame and watching them. It's like, they actually seem like shockingly together and nice to each other and good people. And I just found something weirdly moving and comforting about. Uh, related to that. Well, a couple of things. One, I think I thought John Lennon, because John Lennon could be very acid with the media, which actually, even in the, that's not the point of this film, but you, you see enough of them being asked inane questions that you start to understand why they would give inane answers. Totally. So my sense of John Lennon was...

Yeah, it's like Marshawn Lynch.

Right. You're right. Exactly. Like, so my sense of John Lennon was largely that he was kind of mean to people because he just didn't like getting asked a bunch of dumb questions. But when you see him, what's funny is how deferential at times he is to Paul. I always thought, oh, John Lennon's in charge of the Beatles. Paul's the nice one. And that's the sort of hierarchy. But it was, I mean, and part of it's probably because at that point, John is getting very focused on his life with Yoko. But it's like Paul's running the show a lot of that, you know, sort of musically. Or at least he's, Paul is not shy about making his opinions known. Here's the other thing. And this is like a total left fielder. i was struck how weird is it that none of them have a drinking problem like no that's what are

the chances i i thought they would that's the other thing i they felt like obviously they're stoned during the fair amounts of it and and they're sure and they're having a beer or two they're definitely having a beer i 100 was shocked by that too like that's the other thing i just figured you know it's 1969 they're like the most famous band in the world but they're all just like strung out all the time right they just don't seem to be at all famous so corrosive to people

like the fact that they're showing up i mean it's like it's noted that like john lennon's getting there a half hour late but they're showing up late yeah at i'm guessing 10 a.m they're drinking tea and they're just making a record like it's it's surprisingly functional to your point chris i

could be wrong but i think john was probably on junk during that scene with uh peter um uh i'm blinking on his name the magic christian oh oh oh yeah peter sellers peter sellers like that's a really weird scene and i think and i'd read that you know john and yoko had started experimenting with heroin around that time so i was watching that scene and being like uh i think john's out of his head on this one okay well now that i have that yes because that perspective yes because he

he clearly does develop a very bad heroin addiction which is you know the subject of of you know a lot of tragedy and awfulness and he writes about it you know trying to kick her But I think I expected him and Yoko particularly to be more, you know, more strung out, more sort of. And then there's a few other points. I mean, to Luke's point about Paul, like, A, I mean, again, he's a genius. He's just a genius. But he's got this, there's this part where he's trying to, like, guys, we've got to do an album. And, you know, Brian, I've seen their manager, the guy who really kind of, like, held them together, has died. He died very young, tragically, I think just basically a sudden heart attack at the age of like 37. I believe it was acute alcohol poisoning. Was that it? Yeah.

Because I Googled it while I was also two screening this. So I'm watching it and then I'm just like furiously internet researching every element of the film.

Absolutely. And like Paul at one point is like it reminded me of like when you're in fourth or fifth grade and you break up to do a group project. and there's the one like kind of like neurotic type a person who's like getting the kids together to do the group project and like you sort of resent them but also like it's not going to get done without them and paul is sort of that role and he's very self-aware being like yeah i know i sound like a dick a bossy dick but like we really do actually have to do an album in 21 days and he's way way more self-aware way more self-aware than i would have ever guessed given And again, like, Andrew, you probably are familiar with the lore around him of being, like, kind of a dick and kind of impossible about, like, sort of self-regarding, narcissistic, whatever. And then the other thing that I just found incredible, and this is, like, you know, Malcolm Gladwell in one of his books writes about how they went to Hamburg and the 10,000 hours comes from how long they spent, like, playing shows in Hamburg. But, like, this is such an obvious point, but, you know, you watch bands all the time on SNL, right? and it's like you know they a lot of times they don't sound great like right it's like they're not super crisp they could be a little pitchy they're harmony like these guys are just like unreal like they are so like the harmonies are so tight they're so tight together they sound un-freaking-incredible together just off the bat. And it's like, again, it's like, oh, right, they really were a special band. It isn't just like some weird – I think I had started to think that the Beatles were the Beatles because of like a weird moment of the cultural updraft that they got caught in. And watching this was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no. Like, no, these are geniuses. These are geniuses and very special musicians and very special souls.

and that specialness of who they were, like, shown through in the work, and that's why they are who they are.

If you don't mind me just geeking out on this a little bit more, maybe retread a little bit of what you said, but I haven't had a chance to talk to anybody about this. This is the first time I could geek out with you guys.

Oh, I got three hours in me on this.

But something you just said about the Britishness of their interactions, I wonder if maybe that maybe that was something I was missing in watching this, because, again, I'd always heard about the tension, especially especially between Paul and George. Right. And trying to figure out, like, what the guitar part should be. I don't think that was on Get Back, but it was on a different song. But it doesn't really matter where where George finally says, I don't have to play anything if you don't want me to, which is a terrible George impression. I understand that, but, you know, and I think I'd even heard that clip before, and I was always like, wow, that is so sharp-edged, but honestly, like, I think, and this isn't a criticism, I think it's just something to point out, I think because, even though this is an eight-hour-long documentary, but it's got such a limited scope, it's just fly-on-the-wall footage, we miss a lot of the context of what's going on in the band's life, I mean, Peter Jackson will throw up a few like you know little sentences here and there in in in dynamic text to say this is the background but like when you think about all of the biz like we're seeing them make music but they also are without a manager they've just started their own company it's like one of those things like we don't know what to do let's start a company so now they started a company a media company maybe the first like kind of multimedia company actually um and they're trying to make this album. And so when George finally walks away, you're like, but Paul wasn't being that bad. Like Paul was being very reasonable. And I'm just like, how did they just escalate that quickly? And I realized, oh, because whatever we're hearing, number one, they do know that they're on camera. And number two, there are a million other things like interpersonal and business things going on in their lives. And the fight about that hard nosed manager that John wants to bring in, which I don't know if the documentary gets too far into that either. But I'm like, you know, that's one that's one thing that's kind of like this is an interesting documentary, but it also made it raised more questions for me, despite its length.

No, that's a great that's such a great point. And I think that's 100 percent true. In fact, in a part you haven't seen yet, Lennon debriefs with George, his morning meeting with the manager he wants to bring in. And part of getting the thing that keeps revolving on this, I mean, obviously, it's sort of expressed on both tax man and you never give me your money, which are both sort of about there is that like there's an out there's an exterior shot of George's house which is like a crazy baller house but like these guys were ripped had their faces ripped off financially like I mean they should have been you know like billionaires essentially for their time and they were not because they were like completely hosed and listening to John Lennon talk about like his meeting with this manager which you'll get to uh, Andrew, it just sounds like the kind of debrief conversation that like, maybe your buddy would have when you were 24, like four of you in an apartment and they met, they went to go meet a manager where it's like, it feels like, man, this stuff should be figured out for John Lennon in the, like, like, how is this, how is this the conversation you're having at this point it's really wild like how much epstein and the label like it just the the sort of corrosively exploitative but also kind of paternalistic relationship that that they had been kind of swept into um that they're now trying to figure out to your point andrew like figure out what life looks like you know without that and i totally agree i mean the other thing that's weird we should note if people haven't seen it is jackson has a you know has a thing in the beginning saying there's there's two files they have there's an audio only file and then there's footage and like there's a lot of times where he's syncing the visual footage to the audio so it has this almost dubbed feel to it because they had mics out that were catching things that the camera was too far away to catch and so there's this very like almost trippy feeling to a lot of to your point like like you where you you can't it's almost like you know a normally directed thing the camera is telling you where to pay attention all the time and that's completely absent here so you like it's a little hard to know where you're supposed to be directing your attention in a lot of moments the other let me just say one more thing about just before i forget like about sort of their relationships and like paul and john is like there's a moment where paul says, where he like defends Yoko and John, which is also very touching, I thought, where he's like basic

says like weirdly presciently like they're going to write that yoko broke up with the beatles that's ridiculous like they just want to be together um which i thought was very like i couldn't tell if he was performing that empathy for the cameras or really felt it but the thing that i that my biggest the moment that i just like think about is there's a song the two of us which is ostensibly a song paul mccartney writes about his new wife linda in the countryside two of us wearing raincoats and they right I had to stop that because there's probably

a delay in the line between New York State, Portland, Oregon and Seattle, Washington which made that whistling extremely annoying to the listeners, I apologize well

so that song is essentially about Linda and about, you know, he's got this new relationship and she comes by with her kid and it's very very cute and he seems like he's like a good sort of you know, parental figure but the first line of that song is the two of us have memories longer than the road ahead which is like a very like bittersweet nostalgic profound thing also makes no sense in the context of linda and it it's a and it feels like it's a song about the beatles and him and john particularly and they play that song and they look at each other and they harmonize and john it is the the emotion of it is too much such that john has to joke around with the song all the time because they're basically singing a love song to each other that's the end of their this love this teenage love of these two people that found each other at 15 started making music together and so when they sing the song john is like doing accent the two of us wearing rain coats he's doing this whole cut up thing and there's this like joy and this like pain but this like too much emotion so they have to joke about it and i was just like i found it like one of the most moving things i've like ever seen put on film honestly like i don't know why maybe it's just like two years into the pandemic and we've all we're all losing our minds and we're all worn pretty thin could be low t

like andrew and i are struggling with that we can put you in touch with dr erikaki

it could just be a classic low t situation but i just found it like holy crap as like a vision of a certain kind of friendship particularly like a male friendship i just found it like completely, explosively, emotionally

affecting. I know that I'm only halfway through it, but for me, the biggest takeaway from the movie is they carried a goddamn anvil around to make a clanking sound.

The joy, that's their, I think, their road manager is the guy who gets to clank it. He looks exactly like you. First of all, Eric Wareheim needs to play that guy

in the lightly

fictionalized version.

perfection that's so funny because i've been thinking to myself what does he who does he

look like and that's who i wanted to say his his pure joy at getting to clang that anvil which is as you see in the doc is kind of you know it's improvised like someone's got to do this it starts out with something else and they eventually actually get an anvil his delight in getting to clank that is just infectious it's really something that there's a very funny viral

tweet about maxwell silverhammer which is that like it wasn't yoko that broke up the beetles it was maxwell solar hammer and then it's like four different interviews george ringo and john all gave about that song and how much they hated it and how paul made them do it like 90 times to get it right and that like basically like it was what broke up the band which is very funny um i

just to kind of wrap this up because i have one i know we only have you for a few more minutes chris and i have a very important east coast west coast question to ask you um about language but But Andrew, I have to say it's obviously the crescendo of the film, but the roof scene pays off so hard, like the build to it and and then just them being up there. And this is the most 2022 way to consume media. You'll appreciate this, Chris. I saw a tick tock that somebody had just basically when get back came out, somebody did like a three second tick tock of a moment on the roof where Paul McCartney realizes the police are there and does this just ultimate badass look like, yeah, let's keep going. And literally, I watched eight, I'd seen that before I ever saw the special, and I watched eight hours of it for that moment. It was all I cared about was the moment when Paul, like, glances back and is being cool. And then I texted both of you, I think, there's never been a cooler person than Paul McCartney on that roof. So, like, the fact that it was TikTok that really heavily invested me in this piece of media is, again, very 2022.

Well, that's, and that's, I've also seen a few, like, a bunch of, like, TikToks off it. First of all, I agree that he looks incredible. First of all, their outfits are amazing. They're on the roof. Also, they're just like, again, it's like, duh, but Paul is a very good-looking man. He's like real. and and all this stuff so obvious like they were the sensation for a reason but but there's something about stripping away all the context and coming back into it blind that like makes you um you know appreciate that and i completely agree like the rooftop is just like wow and also again to get back to what i said before they sound great like a lot People would sound like crap in that situation, and they sound phenomenal.

And they're just basically playing the same couple of songs like 30 times so they can get the shot for Michael Ian frickin' Hogg. At some point, Paul McCartney, or excuse me, John Lennon is like, I can't play the guitar anymore. My fingers are getting numb because it's so cold. And then they proceed to play the song like four more times. That's what you're saying, Chris. It's like John Lennon doesn't feel comfortable telling this diminutive American filmmaker with an affected mid-Atlantic accent that he's done playing this song on the roof and would like to please go inside where it's warm now.

Yeah, what they're willing to put up with is really amazing.

I'm just now realizing as a kid who grew up listening to all this stuff, that's why at some point on the Let It Be record, I don't remember which song it is. that's why john yells i can't feel my fingers i had no idea i never put that together until this

very moment um okay chris before you have to jump into your i want to just uh not to pull the curtain back too far but um one of your uh schedulers who was extremely nice and helpful setting this up um said well you know we chris has this amount of time and then he has his editorial meeting for the tv show although i can ask to push that back and i was so tempted to say yes will you please tell the staff at msnbc that chris needs a little more time to be on his friend's podcast but i didn't that way you would never you would never get that staff back if that

was the ask yeah just be like hey listen just a heads up um i just i finally got into party down and i've got about 25 minutes with the guys on on on ron donald's and don'ts and like where all those drops came from so if we could just push off i know i know we've got jamie raskin today we got to prep for that but if we could just move that just down a little bit down the line

tbtl is the yoko ono of all in with chris hayes um i just want to ask you i don't know why this went through my mind last night but it did i think i heard it on a program not yours but somebody talked about calling out sick and the thought occurred to me i grew up on the west coast we say call in sick which is also kind of weird i guess the explanation there would be we're calling in to tell them that we're going to be sick today or that we can't come to work but on the east coast it's always just called i called out i called out can you explain is there a logic to calling out as a way of describing that event no i mean i think it's like in line on line where

there's a few things that we know the time the times was doing that regionalism like um uh you know regionalism um like quiz where where there was like 12 questions or 14 questions that were like pop soda sneakers trainers tennis shoes uh in line online i think that's just one of those like weird dividers what do you say yeah i called out i called you say you say call out do you on do you wait online wait online i'm gonna go get online online yeah online i think really that's

the most new york thing i don't know anyone from new york who doesn't say online i'm gonna i gotta go wait online for these tickets which got confusing when online became it's also a virtual

space no yes we definitely say um yeah i'm gonna go wait online it's so weird it's so natural that You can't, you know, I mean, it's like when you were saying calling out, I was thinking of the like, you know, there's like this big, you know, in the sort of, I think, like certain parts of like discourse, social media, left politics of like calling in as opposed to calling out.

Which I actually think is kind of effective as a person who's very sensitive and very deserving of being called out or called in. If someone said, hey, I just want to call you in on this, that is an extremely effective modification that I feel like, okay, let's talk about this. But if someone's calling me out, my hackles go up.

Yes, I completely agree. I'm pro calling in in that context, but calling out, sick. Well, let me ask you guys this.

When, though, Chris, will you start talking about feeding two birds with one scone on your television program?

No, what was the one that we were going to do was, I don't have a dog on that flight. A dog, I believe. I don't have a dog on that flight? I don't have a dog on that flight.

Do you guys say surf the net or surf the web? Oh, man. Well, listen, Chris, we really appreciate you calling in today and, of course, listening to the show and texting us updates on the Chicago Bears and other teams from Illinois. Although, okay, we don't have time for this, but what the bleep with the Chargers coach and the timeout. I'm absolutely 100% with you. I think that changed the course of that game, the Chargers-Raiders game, that if it ended in a tie, would mean that both teams would go to the playoffs and pittsburgh critically wouldn't peace and love to all of our listeners in pittsburgh but i think all of america outside of pittsburgh was rooting for a tie just because of the weirdness of it because a lot of us don't like ben roethlisberger but that time out by the chargers coach he said it was because they didn't have their run defense in but i just think at that point you know what that's like it's like you're at the casino and you're playing blackjack and you actually bust on a hand but the dealer doesn't notice and they pay you and you just shut your yap and carefully drag the ten dollars back to your side of the table like nothing happened that was what was going on and he said excuse me

sir i think you overpaid me yeah i mean i think that so that was my initial as you know there's been an enormous like ten thousand thousands and thousands of words written about this that they didn't run defense slash they weren't going to take any anyway they weren't running it out It's only a four-second difference. I just think that, like, it just felt like in the moment it interrupted a flow and a place it was going towards that I think is a little intangible that can't quite be – like, the other thing I'll say is, like, I guess if they get the third and four, right? Was it third and four on the run and they get nine yards on the carry? I mean, at that point, if you get the first down, like, it's sort of done anyway. but so you know whether they called the timer or not i think if he ran and got a first down then it's like well you're going to kick the field particularly because it it it changed who they would face in the first round whether they're up against chiefs or not but like i just found that whole it was such an enjoyable experience because it was such a freak show where it was like it was like watching someone flip a coin and come up heads like 29 times in a row and each time you're like oh my god it happening oh 30 31 32 like it's just like completely improbable that we got to that point and then for it to like not quite get there which is very frustrating very yeah i i tend

to think that it did somehow change the the arc of things because i think i don't know for some reason in the in the in the sort of uh multiverse or whatever in the counterfactual world of this game if they don't call the timeout it's like i think they go for a first of all the timeout gives the raiders a chance to then drop maybe their best running play as opposed to just whatever uh david carl reads at the line so i think their run play improves because of the timeout whereas if you kind of go up there and they're in no rush so now you're everyone like they're kind of looking at the clock it's 34 seconds it's like ah is their heart really in it the running back doesn't really know if we're actually trying to win this or if we're just trying to not fumble it just feels loosey-goosey to me in a way that benefits the chargers as opposed to a totally now we're going to put a coherent plan together now the running back knows what we're trying to do the coach says if we get 10 yards here we're kicking a field goal now there's a plan in place which i think hurts the chargers should have just kind of casually been the milling about pretending like they didn't they weren't even noticing the clock and just let the thing

run out anyway that's my theory i agree i i think i think the takeaway here is we we should be

seriously considered for some of these openings for 100 i need another job nfl coach is notoriously low impact i could probably keep all of these and keep coaching hey guys i'm gonna be away i'm

gonna miss practice from monday to thursday i'm gonna be in austin with dunce and interviewing

kirsten dunce but you guys will handle it right we've got we've got george saunders on live wire

so obviously i'm gonna show up the game i'll miss the first quarter but i should be fine and then And, you know, but then I'll take over play calling after that.

And my whole thing is going to be not calling timeout when the other team is willing to go for a tie. That's going to be my main – that will be my sort of differentiator as a coach is I don't call – no, you know what? It's actually quite the opposite because this is my other rant. I will – this will be my policy as an NFL head coach. If anyone except me calls a timeout at any point in the game, they're fined $1,000 or maybe $10,000. and it needs to be a meaningful amount to them. I think the most under-discussed thing in the NFL is the value of timeouts. Almost every NFL game comes down to the last drive. I couldn't agree more. It's almost always fundamentally impacted by if you can throw to the middle of the field or not. And, like, they burn—I mean, Pete Carroll's the worst at this. Pete Carroll will call timeout because he wants to get more gum. Like, it's so frustrating.

And then at the end of the game, we can't do the thing because I just feel like timeouts are the most under-discussed part of the NFL game. And all my thing as a coach would be was no one call any timeouts. If we have all of our timeouts at the end, I feel like we can win this.

Well, you might. I mean, alongside after these messages and Spotless and TVTL as you grow this little empire, a timeout football timeout might be just like you do it on Monday. Tuesday timeout that was called that week. It's like a highlight show, but about timeouts. Oh, my gosh. Good timeout, bad timeout.

Dude, it'll be called calling you in on calling it out. The TBTL timeout program.

Can we call our listeners outers, though? That's the question. You have your inners. We have our outers.

Can we call today's episode unproblematic colonizing, which is something Chris said earlier.

That's pretty good.

That's pretty good. Hey, thanks, man. I know you've got to go. Thanks for coming on today.

All right, fellas. Be good.

Bye. All right. Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. No, man. It's not from a female.

All right. Emails, V-mails.

I think you mentioned yesterday you had a V-mail that you were looking to play today. Yeah, I've got a couple of things I'd like to play for you here. One is absolutely delightful. One is kind of gross. What would you like to start with?

From delightful to frightful. Let's start with the gross one, get that out of the way, and then end on a delightful note.

This is a voicemail referencing something that you said in passing at the beginning of the show, I think a few days ago now, where you said you think that if you're in public in a place where people are supposed to be masked and they're not, I think you said we should all, as MoneyPython might say, fart in their general direction. Do I have that right?

I fart in your general direction. wait is that guy have a he has a french accent right i mean it was a bad french accent but am

i at least in the right time i think you're right though yes anyway but that was i think you said that in passing like you know and if we're around people and they're not wearing their masks fart away do i have that right though i don't want to put words in yes okay and i don't look look i'm

not a fan of public flatulence i'm not a fan of for myself in my relationships flatulent humor flatulating is that a word I don't I'm not it's not my scene except in this one area where I feel like we need to try to in the words of Grady from The Shining correct some people who need correcting you're always because they have their mask don't know if he's don't know if he's the

hero of that movie I didn't get to the end they play it on the roof okay um here this listener I I think didn't leave their name, and probably wisely so.

Hi, I was listening to today's intro, and it made me laugh so hard because when you were talking about breaking wind to punish those who have their mouth for their nose, I was flying about a month or so ago and found myself having a little gas. i had arrived in phoenix where people notoriously don't wear their masks at all and i noticed several people in front of me wearing their mouth before their nose i did in fact fart it was not pleasant and i saw them react and pull their mouths up i took such joy and delight anyways it's just it's funny it's on all levels all right power out so actually did it just farted

and people pulled up their mask this is exact i mean this is exactly what i'm talking about though right like that had the exact effect that i'm hoping for which is proper mask wearing and under punished you know if not you'll be punished by um that broccoli that i had have you ever been

in a restroom I'm just thinking about this because I'm thinking about the moments where I'm kind of glad I'm wearing a mask and recently I was in a restroom that was clearly it was in a very old building I can't remember the details I want to say this was in Hawaii but I'm not sure but have you ever been in a restroom a public restroom that is ostensibly clean and well maintained but still just has the odor of ages like at one point it just got soiled and spoiled And maybe it's maybe if it's more subterranean, can you think of any because I can this is something that I've noticed before in other restrooms. Like there are restrooms where you walk in and they're usually older buildings. You're just like, oh, God, this is screwed. Like never again. Well, all of the candles in the world could not change the fate of this bathroom around.

I feel like my experience with that would be like an old, like very old high school or middle school, like turn of the century school where it's not that it's not clean, but just.

It could be the water, the old brass pipes. It could be just, you know, the ghosts of a thousand dookies. Possible show title? But there's just, yeah, there's just almost like an institutional, the institutional memory of that room is not great from a smell standpoint.

Rob Zombie's original idea was House of a Thousand Dookies, I believe. Weirdly, couldn't get it past the censors, had to go with corpses. But yeah, I do wonder if like you could take that stench and just like pump it into areas where people aren't wearing their masks and suddenly everybody's wearing their mask properly.

Well, I mean, I think I brought this up a few times on the show, including the previous talking about masks and flatulence. But I do not understand the dudes that take their mask off in the bathroom. I've been traveling so much lately and I've been in a lot of airport bathrooms. I mean, it ain't right in there. like people are not doing well and like i find i think airport bathrooms are in my experience the most like reliably bad smelling bathrooms i think people's stomachs are a little upset from travel or they've been eating food they don't normally eat or just something's going on but i mean that is prime mask time like the guys that come in and take their mask off i'm like you want more of this

hitting your nostrils i would almost argue for special bathroom masks you know you put that way like when you're you know if you're at a nicer restaurant well of course a nicer restaurant is gonna have a nicer bathroom but anyway like maybe you don't want to be wearing your airport bathroom mask when you're um you know waiting for your wine to come out at a nice restaurant you know like maybe we have different masks based on the situation um all right i'm gonna move on here to an email with an attachment that we received from listener Laura who says recently you were talking about Chili Willie on the show the cartoon character which I associated just with snow cones but I think that might have been a different character or maybe Chili Willie later on took on a second job as a snow cone endorser but anyway it is a cartoon character from the 1930s I think we determined and Laura says the recent talk has me flashing back to my childhood where For a while, I listened to CDs of TV theme songs instead of real music. Every time his name is mentioned, all I can do is sing the Chili's song. So here you go. You're welcome. Love y'all. This is from listener Laura.

I'm Chili Willie the Penguin. I shake until I'm blue. My head is hot and my feet are cold. Ha-hee-ha-choo! Now what about the crocodiles around the River Nile? I bet they're always warm as toast. They always seem to smile. I'm always chilly willy. I'm frozen through and through. My nose is red and my tail is told. Ha-hee-ha-choo!

Thank you, Laura. Oh my God. That is one of the best musical performances we've ever had on the show. And we've had... We've had Prom Queen on. We've had Ben Gibbard. We've had Prom Queen. We've had... I mean, the list goes on. That might be the best That's incredible I also That song completely takes me back I remember the ha-hee-ha-choo Oh, really? I remember nothing about that I feel like that was my first experience Yeah, I forgot that the part of the joke Is that the penguins got a cold Uh-huh

Which is chilly-willy

Which is kind of cute, actually I mean, it's a very cute Little, you know, cartoon character Now, when you were mentioning The beginning of It's Laura, right? Who sang that song? Laura, great job, thank you When you were mentioning the beginning of the email She said that she would listen to TV theme songs It had me thinking about I was watching the college National championship game last night Which I don't Usually care about college football That much anymore and that's of course just Sour grapes from me because the UW Huskies aren't particularly great right now But I was home quarantining So I was like I guess I'll watch this And there was a commercial for Applebee's but it used the cheers theme and basically the thing was here's to here's to the regulars and they just show a bunch of people from different walks of life and yeah but they're you know the regulars at applebee's and it was very affecting i am that song really works that that commercial

is in heavy rotation i'm kind of surprised you would think that there were probably a lot of products and services that have wanted to use that song over the years right it's one of the most kind of evocative songs of our generation especially related to television certainly But even like you just you play that in anybody of our generation and probably older just immediately goes to cheers. Of course, it's just iconic. And the first time that I can remember that we hear it in a commercial for Applebee's. I was just kind of surprised about it. Like, have people been requesting that forever? And then finally, like.

Whoever holds the license just broke and said, yeah, you can have it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. That's a really good point. But, you know, although you and I have had one of the greatest meals of my life was at an Applebee's in Missouri when we were staying at the Munger Moss motel. And then we walked over to that Applebee's. So not to besmirch Applebee's, but it's not the first place I would generally choose. but just this idea of like hey we're all um you know we're all coming down to the applebee's and we know everyone and we're regulars and everybody knows our name i mean it's such kind of it's obvious but i found it more effective than i would have expected we also went to applebee's on our

last road trip for the team in eureka yeah so was that two in a row no that's not two we skipped a year but i got a steak you said was better than you expected exactly because my grandfather used to order steaks at chain restaurants and then complain about it and be like yeah grandpa you order to stay at a chain restaurant um but uh i think that we need to always build around at least one applebee's trip for all of our future road trips or at least our like i actually enjoyed

myself there as well too now listen peace and love to our listeners in eureka i will admit i was a little let down by my old hometown just kind of the i don't think we were staying in the most the most beautiful part of eureka california so we're just kind of like everything was closing and we're walking remember we went into that bowling alley oh yeah right and it was just it just was it was like you could see the vegetable oil that they'd been deep frying everything in like it had the molecules of it had actually solidified and were just it was like you were walking through a liquid substance it was so just smelled so like deep fried cooking and i don't know just not great vibrations of that bowling alley and we're walking on a busy street then somebody may have threatened you but then you weren't sure remember there was yeah I was actually thinking

about that the other day there's some you know guy walking down the street with yeah like clearly living on the streets and like I was passing him on the sidewalk and I swear in that moment that he kind of like he kind of um I felt kind of lurched at me a little bit and I kind of jumped back and like what the hell just happened I'm like I think he did but I've always wondered like since then if I was just like in my head about him um I hope I hope that's not the case I doubt

But considering – all joking aside, considering the amount of time that you spend with folks who are experiencing houselessness or dealing with mental health challenges, I don't think you're overly skittish around that population. So I am thinking that that was a person who was in the midst of some kind of crisis and for whatever reason kind of took a lunge at you, which was what you reacted.

Did I tell you a guy kind of – well, I hate to use the word attack because it sounds – but I can't think of a better word. A guy kind of attacked me at pop-up like about, I don't know, like a year ago. Like this never happens. I don't want to give our organization a bad name or make people feel unsafe out there if you volunteer. This is the only time this has ever happened. But like we stand outside in this parking lot kind of under the highway bridge and we make – at the time we made our tables that we would serve food on in kind of a horseshoe. so our back is there's no tables kind of behind us but there is kind of like a I don't know most people don't walk up behind us because the way we arrange the tables but there's also no tables between us and the street or the sidewalk or whatever and I'm sitting there with my back to that open area talking to somebody and all of a sudden somebody like just pushes me and kind of wraps around me and pushes me from behind into the tables that are in front of me which kind of go skittering around and i turn around and all i could think of in my brain was this is one like i have several friends who live in the neighborhood who will kind of walk by and see me out there sometimes and they'll come say hello like john the bartender or chris and i thought for a second this is john or chris like just pushing me from behind to scare me and maybe your brain always

wants to come up with a logical situation to describe why that's why every time there's Something that happens that's violent, people think it was a joke or firecrackers or whatever.

Yeah, it takes a minute for your brain to catch up. And so I turn around and, like, I'm just expecting, you know, I'm there with maybe two other volunteers, two women who are probably in their 60s or whatever. And I turn around and I see it's not like my brain almost didn't compute. I thought it was going to be my buddy, although that would also be super effed up. But it seems like something that I might do, something like friendly, aggressive, but it goes too far accidentally because, you know. tell me about the rabbits george in me um but anyway i turn around and it's like this ranting guy he's shirtless he's got a bicycle somewhere i think and he's i'm gonna put him in his 60s too he's like i think he's got like a beard he's shirtless and he's just screaming at me saying don't you ever do that again like swearing like crazy telling me do you don't you ever do that again and this is where it's probably a good thing that i'm such a beta because i've told this story to other people who are just like oh my god like i would have slugged them it's not the right thing to do but my instincts would have been just to punch him or attack I was like no my instincts were just to like look at him and turn around he's screaming he's like do you understand me and I just stood there I'm like yes I understand you and I tried to make minimal eye contact and like in within like 30 seconds or so he just like went on his merry way and everybody was like so shocked about it and I gotta say because it happened to me I mean I was definitely shocked a little bit but I was also I was weirdly I think nonchalant about it for a long time until Genevieve because like some people at the you know who I volunteer with were saying like we need to kind of address this or talk about this or whatever I'm like it wasn't a big deal I'm telling you he didn't hurt me like it was just shocking it was surprising me but he didn't actually physically hurt me again it could have been a friend you know but then Genevieve finally said to me she said you just need to stop thinking about this from your experience and think about it from the experience of those who are around you because if you saw this person do it to the women you were out there with like sure how would you be reacting to that I'm like okay good good good perspective there because to me it's so i mean it's so rare that it's the only time it ever happened you'd say it's sui generous sui generis sui generis sui generis um but uh yeah it was just a very weird weird situation i don't know why i brought that up now you said something about it well because i do i

just want knowing you i mean i don't want to like um i don't want to like try to say that i know exactly what you're thinking but i'm wondering if the reason that you've thought back to that moment in eureka is because if that person lunged at you then your reaction was appropriate but if you were just having an odd reaction to somebody who is you know appears to be homeless right you don't like that look for yourself right exactly i'm just like jumping out of the way but i just don't think that you you had someone assault you and you didn't even react so it makes me think

wait it makes me think it turns out i'm dead inside oh shit that's worse But anyway, yeah, so that happened

What, let's see, what song I was going to go out with the Chilly Willy song Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the Beatles

Yeah, let's do the, this is off the original Let It Be record So, do this

Thanks for listening, everyone We're going to be back here tomorrow With more imaginary radio for you So please do join us for that Until then, have a great Tuesday Stay safe, get back to where you once belonged And please remember, no mountain too tall And good luck to all

Two of us riding nowhere Spending someone's modern day You and me Sunday driving Not arriving On our way back home We're on our way home We're on our way home We're going home Two of us sending postcards Writing letters on my wall You would be burning matches Lifting latches On our way back home We're on our way home We're on our way home We're going home

You and I have memories

He can talk then, can he? Of course he can talk, he's a human being, isn't he? Power out.