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It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday Everybody's looking forward to the weekend Hey Lloyd, do some delivery for the truck to the airport

Are you aware that other networks refer to us as the Poland of broadcasting? Oh, I get it, you're joking See, I'm cool, I get jokes

We are super fun here And I promise I won't stop until this little guy's leaping and laughing like the other kids. Make sure your bathroom really has got a toilet that's way too high and kind of big. Also, two plungers. Two plungers says it all.

All right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live.

Gray bones in a grave.

My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host here on this Friday, coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center, located in beautiful Portland, Oregon. Simmer down, Stu. We're looking at a partly cloudy day here. It's supposed to be actually pretty nice this weekend, which is always a fun little treat this time of year in the Pacific Northwest. I'm getting into a real rear window type situation here at the Broadcast Center. I mentioned yesterday, I think it was yesterday's show, how I was a little distracted right at the beginning of things because there were like four or five people all walking down the street towards this window that i'm sort of standing in and they were all looking up and i was just kind of wondering if you know if word had gotten out about where i'm broadcasting from or something i would be mildly upset and mildly flattered if that actually there were four people in portland who were like let's figure out where this dude is um but because i stare out this window all day every day doing the show and other things i'm starting to notice the comings and goings of everyone. There's a young woman who jogs every day at about this time. And when I see her getting out there, I think, good for you. Way to go. Way to get your health on. And then days when she doesn't jog, I think, is she all right? There is a lovely seeming couple with a very adorable Dalmatian dog that I have to tell you, they walk this dog like four times every day like clockwork and if it's raining the dog has a yellow raincoat on so i'm developing a lot of i don't know if you'd call these parasocial relationships but i'm developing a relationship with all the people that i see every day now as i gaze out this window and as we enter episode 3603 in a collector series let the fun begin uh kind of a bittersweet friday because we just found out that the wonderful the talented the generous louis anderson has passed away at age 68 that's

our second arby's in town some say it's better the fries are curlier though i wouldn't know it

i'm loyal to the original louis anderson from of course coming to america from life with louis from family feud from baskets which you just heard a little audio of louis on baskets and And let's not forget Louie Anderson from possibly one of the greatest gambling stories ever told, which we will share with you coming up as we remember the life and career of the wonderful Louie Anderson. I don't know if this news is wonderful or not. M&M's, I think it's the Mars Corporation, technically. They're making some adjustments to their cartoon M&M's. I don't even know how to describe what they're doing I'll just read from their press release They're going to take a more nuanced approach to the personalities of their candy characters to underscore the importance of self-expression and power of community through storytelling. I love candy for dinner

What about you? Because I think we can all

agree one of the greatest running kind of threads of storytelling is the M&M's characters so We'll talk about that. Plus, it's a Friday, so we've got some music for your weekend. And we've got this guy, the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships.

He is Andrew Bada-Boom! Bada-Boom! Bada-Boom!

Bada-Boom! Walsh, and he's joining me right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my friend.

Did you know that you were playing the montage version? It seemed like it might have caught you off guard.

that's i just downloaded that at random and just let go and let god and i just fired it and um i mean that is i believe those are in order of their appearances on the show yesterday so i believe we started here this was the first one and that was the organic one that was the

organic one that just came out of me after i and you had said a really good joke right before what

was the really good joke i thought i told a really bad joke right no i was legit lol-ing like it was

a solid spoof was it i remember saying we had a listener in in a city called tigard and i said

tiger king was that it yes that was what it was it was a good spoof it's an okay spoof and then

thank you though i'll take the compliment but then well here's what i'm getting here's what i'm getting at though so that came out of me in the moment i was excited and it was you know but isn't bada boom isn't that that's just the sopranos right that's not well the bada bing is the club

that tony ran and then of course baba booey is a big stern thing but but this is i think i think i think bada boom is i think that's the i think that's original okay and now hopefully trademarked content right here on tbtl uh belonging to one andrew lewis walsh but as

you said you need the er er bada boom if you're gonna do it but not in a funny voice and you're just like saying it just like if you're in a conversation this weekend with another 10 and you guys are talking about how great the show has been lately and you just need to say oh and i also like the new catchphrase but you don't want to do the whole character you just have to say i also like the new catchphrase er bada boom right or you can say it like this bada boom

yeah that has a certain tree that was sinister sultry yeah yeah no that i've never been turned

by my own voice before that's not true um how are you doing luke i'm i'm actually doing really well

uh i'm feeling i'm feeling rested i'm feeling refreshed i got a lot of sleep last night

how's that tattoo by the way you know i told you after the show we we had we had played the um the tape of the reporter the tv reporter who got hit by a car while trying to do a live stand-up Report on television And by the way, I went back and saw it later It was much more dramatic than I thought From the audio, somehow I pictured it During the day, and the fact that it was dark outside Made it all the more dramatic But What was I going to say? Oh, you were playing the tape of the guy The guy who was the anchor You know, back in the studio while this reporter got hit He was very emotionless About the whole thing And I know there's been a follow-up story to that as well Kind of explaining that But we were making fun of him on the show for being sort of like not compassionate and just kind of keeping the wheels moving in a very awkward way.

I believe at one point he asked her, were you hit on your upper or lower body?

The upper part or lower part? She didn't even know what it meant. She asked the person who hit her, I think. Or maybe she has a bias. Did you hit me on my upper parts or my lower parts? Anyway, all of it is to say after the show, we talked forever. We didn't talk forever, but we talked a great deal about your tattoo. And all I did was I was a total Tim about it. I was a total anchor about it. All I did was I was like, oh, so it's kind of on the outside of your arm and not the front of your arm. And I was like, is it on the lower part or upper part of your body? I never even said, Nick. Hold on.

Let me ask Juan, the tattoo artist. Is it on the lower part of my arm or the upper part of my arm?

And I never told you. Like, it looks great. Like, it's a good-looking tattoo, which is something I failed to tell you yesterday. My apologies.

geez getting you know me saying thank you for that is sort of like someone congratulating me because the seahawks won and me saying thank you for that it's another thing i had almost nothing to do with but i'm happy that the outcome was positive yeah i i'm i'm uh i'm quite pleased with the result although i will tell you this it takes a little bit of getting used to because i wanted it to be pronounced uh and i because i you know i wanted to be able to sort of i wanted my eye to catch it for all of the the reasons that i've stated and overstated on the show about the about the song and it's meaning to me and all that the tattoo if you're just joining us today is a tattoo of the singer john prine so i i wanted i didn't want it to be particularly subtle i didn't want it to be on my back shoulder blade or something but it's an adjustment because every time i'm kind of walking in and out of the bathroom or i have a t-shirt on or i went for a run

yesterday it's a pretty it's a pretty big tattoo and right now it's also in the healing stage so i've got to apply lots and lots of lotion to it but the thing is i didn't have any fragrance free so one the tattoo guy said you want to use like a moisturizer and he said fragrance free and then you want to really rub it in so that it disappears and this is you know so that the thing heals properly well i don't have a large supply of you know hand lotion here i have basically moisturizer that i've that i've stolen from nicer hotels that cbs has put me up in sometimes i'll be in a hotel because cbs gets these crazy deals i'll be in a hotel that's so nice that i'm like i'm going to take all of the toiletries because i think the street value of this, you know, you know, what's the Malin and Getz? Yeah, I use that stuff. It's Malin and Getz stuff or Bumble and Bumble in some places. Anyway, so all I have is a random assortment of moisturizers that I've nicked from fancy hotels, but all of them had some sort of scent to them. So I've been using that, but low-key worrying that... I think... I don't think that the fact there's a scent really matters but i'm just trying to be very very uh faithful to the advice i was given because i want this thing to keep looking as nice as it looks right now for as long as

possible i could see yeah i wonder if this sense it's just like it's an added thing that could be an irritant in the healing process i could sort of see that i'm guessing that's why that's the

advice but it doesn't i'm it does not seem to be extra irritated i think it's probably fine can i mention one quick thing the follow-up to this uh tori yorki story that you mentioned the uh the reporter that was hit by the car yesterday as you were just saying we played the tape and where we kind of zeroed in on a little bit was what we saw as the not super duper um empathetic response from the guy in the studio tim and it's clear that we weren't the only people who had that reaction i think andrew because this thing went quite viral yesterday and it's obvious that somebody at the station maybe tim himself said we need to we need to tape a follow-up segment where we basically

clear tim's name yeah it was have you watched this tape i did yeah somebody tweeted it at me i think it was our friend lynn oh was it okay cool thanks lynn and um i was watching i was washing dishes and so like i was kind of watching it on my phone without headphones on so i was like I can't say that I paid tons of attention to it, but, like, it seemed maybe not even more awkward, but, my God, like you say, it was very clear. Like, the reporter is being interviewed again, and she just keeps on stressing, I'm okay. Like, what was happening in the moment? I guess you'll play the tape. And then Tim is just like, I don't know, man. I don't like Tim so much. Tim's like, I'm just looking at the small monitor here. I couldn't even see. That's why I asked you if it was the upper part or bottom part.

I'm going to try to give Tim the benefit of the doubt here. First, let's play some of the tape. So this is Tori, the world's most famous local television reporter for this week, Tori Yorgi, now safely in the studio, far away from any cars that might hit her. And then Tim at the home office of WSAZ interviewing her about the story of when she got hit by a car the day before.

Something. Tori joins us now from the studio in Charleston. And, Tori, you gave us all a scare, of course. But the most important news, you're okay. You're okay.

oh my god exactly and i appreciate uh i said i was going to try to give tim the benefit of the doubt so i'm going to try to do that i think that i don't think the delay in the line is helping um so that adds and lord knows andrew you and i know about delays kind of making conversations seem a little stilted um but i also just i get the sense that tim is probably off air a good guy but he's not one of those people who is able to sort of um sort of radiate warmth on camera because she says something coming up here in a minute i thought was kind of interesting here

we'll get to this thank you so much i had so many people reach out to me and i really appreciate it it was definitely a crazy moment and um after that happened i do want to say my boss took me to the hospital i did get checked out everything is okay no broken bones just a little bit of soreness but it's all good um you know it was just so fast i didn't even see that car coming i had no

idea yeah in case you're wondering one of those the station does have a legal team like that's all like it's just so like yeah like it's still this doesn't i don't know man it's just well there's something about this just seems like the lawyers would say you have to say that your boss took you to the hospital i think here's what i think happened i don't think the wsaz your news leader for west virginia or for wherever they're based yeah she's in charleston uh at the remote office i don't think that this local tv station in virginia is used to the white hot glare of the entire internet paying attention to you for a day and if you're dave chappelle and you you tape a controversial netflix special you're pretty used to everyone talking about you speculating hundreds of comments on videos like i bet you somebody like dave chappelle at this point is used to that and it's just another day for him potentially i think that the people at this tv station the management maybe to some degree the legal team but just everyone associated with this was overwhelmed by the attention and their next thought is well we have to like not clap back is the wrong way to describe it because it's it's not a clapping but they're like we have to give some context we have to clarify we have to like you know so it might have been from the legal team it was definitely i'm sure something that the management was like we can't have people thinking we can't have the public thinking that we let our reporters get hit by cars and then we're just kind of all good meanwhile like tim's family is saying like you you know people are on your facebook page saying that you weren't empathetic enough you know so i just have a feeling yesterday was a really stressful day for all of these folks other than tory i think tory's kind of comes out yeah tory's all good watch if tory just leapfrogs pittsburgh which is where she's about to go and just goes right to like the today show like we turn it on tomorrow it's her next to like jenna Bush Hager, or whoever the heck is on that show these days. So, yeah, so the thing that I thought was interesting was Tori now goes out of her way to mention that Tim is the station dad.

And I think a lot of people were caught off guard by that. I actually, myself, couldn't even see it on the monitor, which is a little small monitor over to the side. I could only hear it through my earpiece, so I can only hear your perspective, and I didn't know what happened. I see you kind of go off camera, or maybe somebody had moved the camera. And then all of a sudden, you're saying you had been hit by a car and that you were okay right away, which was just stunning for, I think, everybody here and everybody involved here at the station. We were all just stunned silence.

Can I jump in? Yeah. I just want to say that, like, I believe all of that. In fact, I believe all of this. I don't think any of it's bullshit. It's just, like, I still don't think that they – I don't know why I'm being so critical about the apology. It just sort of set – or not the apology. What am I saying? This reaction, I guess I should say. It all just set my teeth on edge because it seems like the intentions are so blatant. But having said that, I actually think that's a really interesting explanation. And I understand that it's not part of their job description to do this, but that would have just meant so much more in the moment. Like, I wish he just could have had the presence of mind to tear down the fourth wall a little bit. And when she said she got hit to say, oh, Tori, I don't actually have good sight lines on you. What's going on out there? Are you OK? Like we don't have good In the studio We can't see what's going on We want to make sure you're okay There's still a way To kind of address that I'm sure that he's trained It's not TBTL I'm sure that he's trained Not to tear down The fourth wall too much Even in this day and age I think that

God if we ever get A fourth wall

That's when you know TBTL's really arrived Can you imagine If we just suddenly Decided to start Following like protocols Of more proper media Anyway All of that Everything that he said Is interesting I just wish he could have I wish he had been trained to or had the presence of mind to do that and say that in the moment. That's what the problem was. Right.

Because here's the thing. The career path, the sort of the thing that gets you to being Tim in the studio at WSAZ is probably in college, maybe working at either a TV station or a radio station and doing the news updates. And the goal there is to sound very professional. Give us 10 minutes. We'll give you the world. All right, coming up, traffic on the sevens. Like, the whole shtick is to be reliable, believable, and unflappable. That's, like, what we value in that kind of news vibe. And then, you know, you start doing some TV. Maybe you're a reporter in the field. It's all training him in this certain direction of, like, stentorin, believable sort of—the word is escaping me. But, Andrew, could you build a fourth wall really quick so I can hide behind it? Like there's just a kind of there's just this kind of like seriousness that that for whatever reason, I don't personally value it in my news delivery, but it's still what we look for. And that's all well and good until something happens like this where you have no like if Tim was better at improv, he'd be in Second City.

right now you know what i mean like everything in his career and his experience has pushed him towards this being kind of a bit of a stiff yes and can you get hit by a boat right so like i love it the answer is always yes um and what part of your body did the car hit you on um but again i'm with you that this is this is a little was a little bit hard for me to watch because of what what sort of you said and what i've also indicated which is like this is so like i don't know how i don't know why i'm using this example like i am somehow the person who's good at this stuff versus tim but like when i was doing the bryant park project we had an interview with the band sigur rose it went horribly awry um my friend now hollywood mover and shaker win rosenfeld was our video person he had filmed it and i was like we should put the video on the internet because it's funny how bad it is we did that a lot of people looked at it on youtube or whatever so then a few days later we thought let's have in someone who's really good at interviewing people a reporter for rolling stone to listen to this interview and break down what i did so badly that i think was actually pretty funny idea and like because we weren't i don't know there was there i guess i'm trying to say there's a way to do even this part of it but this still feels a little bit i don't know a little forced to me yeah and again i just don't think it's playing to any of tim's strengths

i i love my wsaz family i can't speak highly of you all enough tim you called me right after during commercial break and i do just want to point out that we can't see when we're at the anchor desk what's going on right away so it happens so fast you you didn't genuinely see anything so yeah i can only imagine what was going through your head i know you were stunned yeah and like i said you call me right away you are the wsaz work dad you care so much about everyone and i just want everyone to know that that was just one of those things i can't even

see you right now as i'm looking you know it's hey wsaz let's work on the monitor situation maybe some of these people on tv should be seeing each other yeah maybe that would help a little bit I feel like in this day and age, that's possible. Now, here's the thing, Andrew. We have an analog to this on TBTL. And I don't actually know if I acquitted myself that well in this situation. I don't know if I did any better than Tim.

When I turned myself into an electrocuted cartoon cat.

Exactly. When you electrocuted yourself in your kitchen while I was in my kitchen, it was a Thanksgiving special. I don't think I even asked you if it was your upper or lower body. I think I might have laughed my ass off. And it was very similar because I couldn't see you. I could only hear you. I heard you yelp in pain and surprise. And, again, I don't think I was more empathetic than Tim was.

You don't have that tape. I don't have that at the ready. I think I remember the name of that.

I know. Carrie thought it was the funniest thing she'd ever heard in her life.

She's the one who said that she just pictured me. because we didn't we didn't have visuals right no no we didn't like hearing each other and i remember she's the one who said she pictured it like a cat electrocuting itself on a bare wire which stuck in my head i remember that i want to find your reaction on the fly here i know the name of the i remember that we have two thanksgiving shows that are both both they're like two or three years apart but they're both named as some sort of play on the term there's something about the inside of there's something about the outside of a horse that's good for the inside of a man and so i want to say that maybe the name of this episode was inside of the there's something about

the outside of a turkey i mean it would be the newest what would be the most recent one because i was in bellingham and uh and i don't think we've done i don't think we've done another

thanksgiving special since then oh no that's not true this is a going back a ways we did the hot dog special in our apartment here two Thanksgivings ago with you, me and Genevieve. Do you remember that? The hot dog cookbook. Okay, well it's not that one. Yeah, and that one also has a similar name. Anyway, I'll try to look that up maybe.

We did a hot dog special for Thanksgiving? You don't remember this? No, I have no memory of this happening. Are you serious?

I'm being totally serious. Not this Thanksgiving. No, I remember being in

your kitchen and doing something. I don't remember it being about hot dogs. Was I eating

like veggie dogs or something we did bring in some veggie dogs but we I have this thing called the new uh the new hot dog cookbook or something from the 1960s yes okay now this is we need some sort of a hot dog based appetizer that had a lot of sauerkraut oh yes remember that yes yes so I

see oh yeah I do remember this now I just need it a little more so context maybe do you think possibly it was 2019 can you tell that i'm

stalling here i'm very close to 2019 sounds i know that this isn't interesting but what i remember was the kitchen was remodeled so that would be like around 2019 like we were i was with carrie standing in the uh the newly remodeled burbank springs kitchen um so that that would that would be a possibility yeah probably 2019 i mean if we go back the last four thanksgivings it's not the hot dog one it would probably be the one before that i think yeah maybe it's of course um and now

we're just stalling as i'm as i'm why don't we do this and not finding why don't we do this do it

after let's let's go to a break yeah and then when we come back if if in during the break we can find the tape cool if not we'll we'll just move on but then we come back i also do want to talk about louis anderson and play you this um amazing story he told of of uh his gambling exploits um so we'll do that plus music for your weekend coming up here on old tbtl let's thank our donors of the day these are the generous supportive oh andrew there goes my friend the jogger oh yeah good getting out hitting the trail i will tell you this it inspires me yesterday i was considering not jogging and the excuse i was going to use for myself was i need to let my tattoo heal but i'd also seen this person going out on her run and it made me think if she can do it i can do it she probably has an even bigger john prine tattoo that's healing um it is kind of motivating for me to see other people out on their like ritualistic like you know daily kind of exercise trip like i'm like okay you motivated to do that today i can motivate

to do it as well that's why it's good that you don't live across the street from like a bar or

a restaurant that would be the other thing if i was like right across the street from mo's tavern yeah just watching people go in and out all day because as people know listening to the show you and i are very suggestible like we'll start talking about some kind of food and then or Or like even movie popcorn. And then it's like fast forward to me eating that thing or sitting in a movie theater eating popcorn. So luckily I'm looking out on at least somewhat healthy contingent of people. Mary Dutton is checking in from Port Townsend, Washington. The small maritime village of... I wonder if Mary was there when I was living there. Back low those many years ago. I feel like I've been seeing, well, maybe it just happens to be the time of year, but I've been seeing some Port Townsend's popping up here on the Daily Donor list. And it's nice to see. It reminds me of that beautiful, wonderful place I need to get back to at some point. Andy Ryan is in the beautiful, wonderful place known as Seattle, Washington. I like that place. Supporting the show. Thank you, Andy. Brandon Volbright is on Vashon, Washington. Washington, Vashon Island, for those of you not in the know. Gretchen Van Miller is in Tacoma, Washington.

We are set up for a Washington flush here. I play Washington flush sometimes at Goldie's. I did a Washington flush this morning. I bet you did.

Thanks, Gretchen. Then you got Colin Twos in Arlington. Virginia.

God damn it, Colin.

The only thing that, Colin, you could be doing that would be letting me down more would be if you had not changed your name from Eric. Colin's name used to be Eric. At least he changed it to Colin, but he could not organize it so that he was in Arlington, Washington, continuing our Washington flush. He's in the other Arlington.

I feel terrible having sworn at a donor of the day. That's not what the segment's about. I apologize.

It used to be about that, but then our boss has asked us for it to not be about that.

But I would like to say I had a lot of money writing on that, so I was reacting kind of in the moment. Also, I have a very small monitor here, so I couldn't exactly see what was going on.

I always call you the TBTL work dad.

The important thing, though, Colin, is that you're okay whether you got hit in the upper part or the bottom part.

That's right. And then Darren Malihi is in Alameda, California. Darren creating a little cover for Colin. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? So it wasn't going to happen anyway. So thank you, Darren, as well. I mean, Colin, I think, thanks you above all others because you just kind of like you sort of rendered that whole Washington Flush thing. anyway by being there in beautiful alameda california so thanks to darren colin gretchen brandon andy and mary for making today's episode of tbtl possible hello and welcome to top story all right let's see if we can find this tape uh from the thanksgiving episode which i know you found the episode during the break andrew it's from seven years ago five

years ago five years ago i knew it was i knew it was a while back it was from 2016 because we were in our old apartment and we've been in this apartment for for quite some time now so you were in wallingford we're in wallingford exactly where the possibly wiring isn't grounded um so it's uh november 24th uh episode uh 2258 there's something about the outside of a turkey that's good 2258 a thousand episodes ago 2000 did i 2258 i mean it's more than a thousand but i'm just i'm

just i'm marveling at how long ago it was and that since then we've done an additional like

1300 episodes yeah yeah um anyway so i don't know exactly where this happens um i have this queued up i think i'm within the kind of a couple of minutes of it happening i think it happened in the first 10 minutes of the show so here i'm gonna pick up this we're in our as you said you're in your kitchen with carrie and in in bellingham right and i'm in my kitchen with genevieve in seattle we're hooked up via uh you know kind of a remote technology but we can't see each other we're just talking down the line everybody's wearing headphones and like there's some we got wires and i'm joking i just got electrocuted trying to turn on the oven oh we didn't oh i No, this is good, though. Okay. We want to hear your reaction. You want to back it up? Yeah, let me back it up a little bit.

I'm sorry. We definitely have – we've arrived at this. I mean, good needle-dropping skills. Yeah, I guess so. Because what we really want to hear is, am I demonstrating more empathy than Tim from WSAZ? Right, exactly. So here, I'm backing this up a little bit.

It's very Martha Stewart in here. We've got the flour pre-measure, the baking soda, the salt, the eggs, the sugar. Everything's out and ready to just go in into the mixer bowl.

So our recipe is way more easy than what you guys did. First of all, you guys are doing two recipes at once. You've got all kinds of different – I can already hear all the different things sautéing over there. You're going to be using an oven. You're going to be using a stovetop. I really start – now I'm feeling like we're phoning it in.

Well, can you actually turn on our oven to put it on the plate?

Yes, I can.

This is going to happen.

I can log in from here.

The call is coming from inside the oven

Possible show title

Andrew, can you turn on our oven Put it at 380 because our oven runs a little cool And it should really be at 375

Alright, I'm a baker Did you hear that? Setting the oven This Thanksgiving, Friendsgiving Get-together that you guys are going to Is turkey the centerpiece of it? Or is it, like, because we're, you know I feel like there's some kind of

I literally, I'm not joking I just got electrocuted trying to turn on the oven oh my god i don't know if you you clearly didn't hear that but i did i don't know if it's because i'm holding these these cables now i'm scared to touch heaven i'm not joking i went and i touched the oven and i got a jolt as if you you ever accidentally like touch the the metal thing when you're plugging in just like a toaster or something like that like i just got a full-on electric jolt from that oven i now i'm scared to bake This is not a bit

This is probably why you should let Maybe Genevieve handle some of the Technical stuff

I don't want Genevieve to touch the oven either Wow

That's not a very empathetic response from me

You can hear in my voice The adrenaline I almost sound like I sounded on the roof of your house When I got really scared of heights Like it just kicked in and suddenly I Was just like babbling

in that like well no but it's here in my voice absolutely can hear your you know yeah the the adrenaline and the shock literally and figuratively i'm quite ashamed that the instead of asking you if you were okay i just made some comment about letting genevieve handle the equipment what this

has really done is given me a lot of empathy for tim you know i wonder if it would have been better

if tim had been on the line with me i mean anything would have been better than what i did there This is why you got to let Genevieve handle the gear. Wait, can play it for another, like, I don't know, 20 seconds. Let me see if I say anything helpful.

I may have lost my spot here because I wanted to go back. I forgot that you could actually hear me yelp. I thought this was not going to be much of a payoff. I thought I just came back on mic and said, ooh, I just electrocuted myself. You could hear me yelp in the background. So now I've lost my place. I don't know if this is. You ever accidentally like touch the The

metal thing when you're plugging in just like a toaster or something like that like i just got a full-on electric jolt from that oven i now i'm scared to bake this is not a bit this is probably

why you should let maybe genevieve handle some of the technical stuff now i'm scared i don't want

genevieve to touch the oven either you're not wearing rubber-soled shoes it was like actually the back of the oven sorry guys i know this might not be good radio but i am out of my brain actually

This might be the only good radio we've ever done. This is extremely real and in the moment. I'm sorry that I'm laughing, but – I thought you dropped something.

I'm not going to touch it again, but it was the back of the oven. I'm scared that we have something going on in our kitchen that is – oh, my gosh. I now remember this. I had forgotten that detail. You know what it was was I had a – if you can picture the top of an oven with the – you kind of push the buttons on the front, right? Yep. Kind of behind the burners of the stove. And I had this move that I think I used to do Which is I would kind of grip The top of the oven if you can picture that So my fingers are touching the back of the oven And then I use my thumb to push the buttons And so that was the part It was like that metal plate on the back Of the oven that the shock Came from Do you want me to continue with the tape here?

I want to keep listening to this until I say Something Possibly Demonstrating any kind of human empathy Because I am really mad at myself Give me a start Would you put it on the level of when Of like Accidentally making contact with an outlet Yes it was exactly like that Only

I feel like the whole So it's hard to explain We have the buttons on the front of the Oh then I go into the explanation Also did I just hear a bad edit in there Did we lose the sound Andrew stay with me Wait hold on I gotta go back and re-upload this to Cody What the hell did I just hear? I think the internet just talked about that.

I just want to take a moment to apologize to you, Andrew, for not being more empathetic in that moment. I pulled a real Tim.

You know what it was, Luke? It was just bad Timming. Bada boom! Bada boom!

That, my friend, is the show title of the decade.

I just wanted to say ba-da-boom Ba-ba-boom Oh, wait, ba-ba-boom

Oh, that was the second Ba-ba-boom And then we've got ba-da-boom Okay Bad Timming Great I'll tell you who would have loved that joke Louis Anderson Who very sadly has passed away in Las Vegas He was 68 years old um just a very very funny person and obviously a very talented actor and comedian but also just by all accounts just a lovely warm person as well um i of course was aware of louis anderson when i was a kid because he was big on the stand-up circuit and he'd you know you'd see him on like letterman and and uh leno and all of those shows a lot um but then he also had that fox show uh life with louis which was an animated show which started out as a primetime thing that's when i saw it and then i guess it became a saturday morning cartoon see yeah i saw that

he um when i was reading about this today i saw that he had won like three daytime emmy i'm actually maybe confusing my awards but he won at least one daytime emmy for that show and i thought i had never watched that show but i thought daytime emmy i thought that was like an like an animated show for you know aimed more at adults in the evening so you're telling me it did

start that way and then it kind of yeah eased it started out yeah i my memory is it was like i don't know friday nights or something it was on fox it was at night and then and it was you know kind of he played like a kid version of himself i believe um living in you know with his sort of family and i think it was a lot of it was taken from his real sort of life experience um he was one of a bunch of kids i want to say like 11 kids or something but um in real life but anyway then it got it was it was moved to saturday mornings i kind of lost track of it at that point but i know for a lot of people people may be a little bit younger than us it was like they knew it as a saturday morning cartoon and it was i think pretty beloved um the thing the two things that really really kind of cemented in my mind my sense of louis anderson was baskets which we've talked about a lot on the show we play tape from it all the time his portrayal of um of of zach galifianakis's mother i think it's caroline baskets was just so great and he he would a lot of times when he was being interviewed about he would talk about how it was basically his mother he was just playing his mom um that was just such an amazing character and then

Then, because of that character's popularity, I think he won an Emmy for playing Christine Baskets as well.

Definitely.

He then started – I just remember hearing him doing lots and lots of interviews, particularly one on Fresh Air. I remember he was on WTF with Marin. This is – I'm going to say – I don't know. How long did Baskets come out? When was Schubert dip? I don't know.

Baskets is probably getting – could it be close to 10 years now since its debut?

He's probably. I mean, I thought you got shocked last Thanksgiving. so it shows you what I know but like he he was doing the the rounds but it was at a time when there were a lot of long-form interview shows that were now available you know what I mean like so of course you have fresh air but then you have Mark Maron you have all these like podcasts and shows where he was doing interviews and he was just such an interesting person he'd had he was born in st paul minnesota uh and grow grew up uh i think his father was an alcoholic um and so he had a fairly traumatic childhood had a lot of affection for his uh for his mom and his siblings but just hearing him kind of making the rounds on these shows he was always just so really open and genuine um that i just found him to be really compelling um and so it was sort of like in the last i would say 15 years of his career that i really really turned into a big big louis anderson fan, almost as much a fan of the person, Louis Anderson, as the like characters he would do or his stand up or what have you.

Do you mind if I jump in and just correct the record on something before I make everybody feel like they're losing their minds? The show, all roads lead to 2016 on the show. You thought it was last year when I shocked myself, but it was 2016. I thought it was 10 years ago that Baskets debuted, but it was 2016.

Yeah. So it might have even been a little bit more recent than that because it was out for, I think, a while, you know, and the performance was out there for people to see. And then he got nominated and won some Emmy or whatever. But, like, point is, I was really sad this week to see that he had passed away because, again, just as a person, I just have the warmest feelings towards Louis Anderson. And that was before I realized that he apparently had, like I have had in my life, a complicated relationship with what we might call the games of chance. I guess he was pretty addicted to gambling for a while, which somehow I had not heard him tell of it. Now, I'm going to play you some tape. it was on the opie and anthony show and it my sense listening to this story is that he had maybe kind of like gotten uh through that and maybe was in like recovery or at least had like changed his relationship with gambling because he was talking about this as a sickness uh which makes me think that whereas like charles barkley the basketball player and now commentator he gambles all the time and loses too much money but he's like yeah but i make a lot of money this is my deal i didn't get the sense listening to this that's where louie anderson was at with it but i just thought this was a again i got a lot of gamble in me as they say uh so maybe this speaks to me particularly but can i just kind of play you this story it's like three minutes and 30 seconds but i think it kind of pays off so uh take a listen to this it's louie anderson talking

about one of his gambling adventures i'll tell you a good gambling story yes if you want to hear it So I was playing cards, and I lost $80,000 playing cards. So I go, oh, my God, I'm so disgusted with myself. It just all happened, you know. It was just horrible. So I think to myself, I've got a $2,000 line of credit at Bally's. Now, this is around 10 o'clock at night. I've lost the money. I go, I'm going to fly to Vegas. Fly? And I'm going to get that money back. But their flights were all gone. So I rented a car. Commitment. Because, you know, when you're sick with gambling, you have to be... Fever.

Where were you, L.A.?

I was in L.A.

Okay, so five hours.

Right. It was just kind of like, it was ridiculous. But anyway, so I get in the car. I'm driving to Vegas. I get there about, I don't know, I think I got there about three. I said give me I had a $10,000 line I said give me $2,000 I don't know why because I think I'm not going to lose that whole $10,000 I'm not going to lose that whole $10,000 right away so I start winning I bet $500 a hand I start winning I bet $1,000 a hand I keep winning I'm up to about $10,000 then I'm up to $20,000 and I'm playing one on one with the dealer, I'm up to $30,000, I'm up to $40,000, I'm up to $50,000, right? I'm up to, and then I go to $40,000.

I go to $40,000, then I go to $30,000, then I go to $20,000, then I go back to $50,000, then I go to $70,000, then I go back to $50,000. You know, as a card player, you remember that kind of crazy stuff. Then I go back to $40,000, then I go up to $70,000, then I get to $80,000. There you go. You're good. Quit, Louie. I get $100,000. I'm going to get $100,000. I am not going to have a losing night. I am not going to break even. That's how sick.

You're not going to go from 80 down to even.

That's not good enough. That's all right. I go back down. I go back to 60. I go back to 40. I go back to 50. I get to 80 again. I get to 90. I get to 90,000. I get aces dealt to me. I split them. I go, if I win this, I'll have 110,000. Right? I split them. I win both of them. Right? But I don't blackjack. but I win them both. So I got $110,000. I go to the dealer, you want the $10,000 or you want to bet it? It's up to you. And they have to bet it if you say that and I didn't realize that then. So he bets it. He wins $20,000. I didn't bet it. I go, cash me in. So now it's like I think it's like 5 in the 6 in the morning. I got a 7am flight because I have to shoot a commercial for 7-Eleven.

I wonder what it looked like at the shoot for the 7-Eleven when a Louis Anderson on a 24 hour gambling bender rolled up to the set to do his to shoot his part of it. so i i i'm sad that i never got to cross paths with louie anderson um because he just seemed like a sweetheart of a guy and what i've been noticing on twitter today is just tons and tons of people um not unlike with the bob sagat thing um just telling stories of there's an actor named casey wilson who was on she was on snl and then she was on um another show that i forget the name of that i didn't watch but it got a lot of really good buzz and she wrote in her book i saw an excerpt of this of how she was at some kind of party and it was one of those parties in hollywood where there's a lot of famous people and a lot of kind of chit chat and small talk and but how louie anderson came over to her and sat down next to her and said i just love you in the show and he knew the name of the show he knew the name of her character and he was you know he was just like very up to speed on her career and then she mentioned baskets and and he said the thing about how much she loved and he said the thing about how he was playing his mom and then he asked her if um if her mom was still alive and she said no and then she wrote in her book that he asked her something that nobody ever would ask her which was what was your mom's name and she said her mom's name and then i think her mom's name was kathy and then he just looked up into the sky and says i love you kathy and then he just you know kind of heads off and mills about the rest of the party but like just walking over sitting down next to this person making a connection with them asking about their mother that's such an interesting question that i don't think it would occur to me to ask either is if somebody loses someone i think for a lot of us being in those moments is can be stressful if you're the other person because you want to have the proper response you want to you want to be unlike me when you get electrocuted Andrew you want to be empathetic uh but it would never occur to me probably to just ask hey what was the person's name but I could see a world in which that's really meaningful um to the the person who's lost a loved one so it just sounds like Louis Anderson was really just kind of making everything you know kind of better like leaving everything better than he found it I um I well I have a

couple of things to say about how to talk to somebody when they're going through grief or maybe even not going through grief but remembering a traumatic time or a grief-filled time I know that and this is where you know our friend Nora McInerney is really kind of lives in my head because of the stuff that she talks about about how to approach people who are going through grief and it's I'm trying to change my outlook and change maybe not change my outlook but like kind I've changed my behavior in those situations. But I think the thing we all kind of are trying to avoid is re-triggering somebody. Like, you don't know where somebody is in their grief or asking the name if it's going to lead to, if it's going to make them get upset in the moment. And whether or not even that's a good thing or a bad thing. Like, also, if you get choked up at a party, is that the worst thing in the world? I mean, there's so many different elements of it. But I just know that as much as I can think about the. Things that Norris says about the way we should not shy away from certain topics and be there for somebody and be really present for somebody when talking about that stuff. It's really hard to do because you don't also know what this person's relationship is with grief and where they are in the process. You know what I mean? It's really tough.

Yeah. I mean, I don't think there's any kind of perfect rule of thumb that kind of sort of dictates one's behavior in every situation around this stuff. But I do think it's a fairly safe thing to just think about the idea of holding space. Yeah. Just being, like you said, present with this person and whatever that looks like for them, the person who's going through grief, just being there. And let me tell you what universally not a great idea, telling them heaven got a new angel, the person's in a better place. It was their time. right that's the one consistent that i know from talking to people who've suffered loss is the things that we might feel the impulse to say because we think we're making it better we're not making it better yeah by saying they're in a better place like now if the person who's dealing with the grief wants to say that that's their business but i mean and and i think well i don't want to speak for you on this andrew because i think you're actually pretty good with this stuff For me, it's a challenge because when I'm feeling not totally comfortable in a situation, I want to either try to be funny or try to propose what I see as a possible solution. And really, I think all you can do when someone's grieving is, like I said, just hold space for them. Just be there with them. You don't even have to say anything. just be in that moment with them and be you know be okay with whatever that looks like whether that's them getting emotional whether that's them saying i don't want to talk about it whether that's them saying i do want to talk about it for a long time like that's i think that's the only thing that that that you can do and that's the thing that's probably going to be the most helpful

based on what i've heard you know yeah i also wanted to talk about that gambling story um it's interesting for me to think about how you hear that story like the i'm never somebody who's been drawn to gambling like really at all right we joke we joke about my little pull tabs on this show which means you know i'll spend literally 25 cents or maybe on a big night a dollar for a pull tab you know what i mean and pull them up well yeah that's very rare but you know usually i get a basket of pull tabs i say i'm going to spend 20 on this and i know i'm going to lose it but it's twenty dollars that is you know I'm also putting probably ten dollars in the jukebox you know it's just kind of part of a thing but like I just wanted to kind of dismiss that but like I'm not somebody who's ever really drawn to the idea of hey I can I can gamble or if I if I stay in here I can make up what I lost I've never put myself in those situations I don't really know how to play a lot of those games of chance um and I think a big reason is because growing up all I ever heard worth stories like that you know like i think i've always i think i don't i don't know if i'm scared of it now i'm not really scared of i mean because i'm not really he does end he finishes up 20 000 well that is true that is a good point that's actually a good point i already forgot that that ends happily like that whole story sounds awful to me like everything about that sounds awful i didn't i didn't get a credit card until i think i was in my in my like late 20s or something because i grew up just thinking like credit if you get credit it's gonna sink you Like, I just only heard horror stories about credit, not really from my parents, but more like kind of coming of age and going to college and everybody saying, hey, don't get that college credit card. Like, I still regret it. And I'm I'm 70. No, but I just sort of think that I have a weird relationship with credit. I don't think it's bad, though. Like, I have a credit card now and I pay it off every single week. Oh, I got to pay the credit card this week. You know, like so I that ended up being good. Like, I have good credit and I don't have a gambling problem. So I'm not complaining, I guess. But man, let's be nice. That story, Luke, by the way, you do owe me some money, by the way. Did that horse come in or not? You said you had a system, I believe.

Yeah. Can we talk about that off air?

Yeah, no. Anyway, I don't know where I'm going with that, but it's just like that story, and not that I don't have my own vices, but that story of gambling just, again, I'm surprised that you had to remind me that it ends happily because it's just such a sad story. It's such a terrible story.

If it just ended with him going, and then I went to Vegas and I lost all the money, and I lost my marker I had at Bally's, then that would just be dark. But the fact that he rents a car, drives over there, wins it all back, plus some, and then has to get on a flight because he has to film a 7-Eleven commercial, which for some reason, that detail is so weird and funny.

Oh, of course, yeah.

like to me that's that's a story of triumph but of course the reason he's telling that story is because i mean he may have had he very likely he had a lot of other situations similar to that where it didn't end with him up like what he had

It actually says, if you listen to the full tape, because I edited this down, he was making $250,000 for the 7-Eleven commercial. And he had, in his mind, and I understand this logic as well, I don't gamble $80,000 at a time, nor do I get paid $250,000 to do 7-Eleven commercials. But he had basically decided that he was going to have to use the 7-Eleven money to pay the guy in LA off for the 80K that he owed them. So he'd already done that math. i've never done anything on that scale i have had the thought where it's like oh i'm getting paid i'm getting paid uh you know what seems like a sort of a decent amount of money to do this thing whatever it is you know like usually like a side gig that's that's actually pretty financially rewarding and sort of i i i know the mentality of thinking well okay they paid me they paid me a thousand dollars to do that so that's just like a thousand free dollars like i know that psychology And I think, I mean, he goes on to talk about how that was kind of what he was thinking because he couldn't believe they were paying him $250,000 to do a 7-Eleven commercial. And so that kind of easy come, easy go thing I identify with sometimes that, you know, and I've never, like I said, I've never done anything both financially and also just from a time commitment standpoint. like i've never i don't have any stories that are quite that intense but i do understand that that the pull of that and that sense of like you know thinking oh yeah okay this is about to turn around and again the reason i think that story is entertaining is because it did turn around um had it not it would just be a very very sad story and again i don't really know because this because it wasn't until this morning because that story is widely circulating on like twitter and stuff the tape of it um i because i didn't even realize until this morning that that was something that he had dealt with i don't know what the end of the story was like if he got into some kind of like recovery or if he just kind of tamed it or what i don't know what he did but it didn't seem like it was something that was you know an issue towards the end of his life like he didn't hear stories about him in the casinos blowing you know millions of dollars or something So I guess he got under some kind of control

The only thing I know about gambling is If Kevin Garnett gives you his championship ring Do not leave it in Long Island

Well, I'll tell you, Andrew That movie, I just rewatched it this week Because this is my new You're talking about Uncut Gems This is my new thing I love these ridiculous sports bets And I don't mean ridiculous in the amount of money that they are They're like $5 They're like on, on the level of your, um, you know, your pull tap stuff, but there it's reinvigorating my relationship with the NBA, which is weird because I have a lot of resentment towards that league because of the Seattle Sonics, um, moving out of Seattle. I just think that was an absolute travesty of a mockery, of a sham, of two mockeries, of a travesty. But because this certain DraftKings now have taken over the Oregon, like, so it used to be, you could bet on sports in Oregon, but it was like through the Oregon lottery.

Oh, so this is a new development that DraftKings has taken over.

What happened was the other day I tried to log into my little Oregon lottery account, and it said we're migrating everything to this DraftKings app. Because, of course, across the country, sports betting is becoming legalized in many states. This goes back to a Supreme Court decision from some years ago, which basically cleared the way for this. And lots of states are figuring out, huh, we want to make some money on this. What's it going to look like in our particular state? But anyway, so now it's this DraftKings app and what that app lets you do that the Oregon Lottery app, which was very kludgy and terrible anyway, what this DraftKings thing will let you do is you turn on a basketball game and you can do what's called a flash prop bet where you can like I did this last night. it was like the mavericks were playing the suns and let's say it's 25 to 25 right so it's 50 points total in the game you can put a bet down that the 53rd point will be the result of a three-pointer by the mavs and if you put down ten dollars on that you're gonna win like well depending on the odds but you're gonna win like a hundred and something dollars what i did was i put down five dollars saying that the like 56th point was going to be a free throw by the phoenix suns which it was like which i'm sort of laughing about this uh because for whatever weird reason my relationship with sports gambling is actually pretty uh not problematic for me like i put five hundred dollars into this account when i moved to portland and i've never put more money into it i just kind of pushed the same five dollars around and like sometimes We'll be right back.

I get really lucky because DK Metcalf scores the first touchdown of a game. And that'll like, that'll basically buy me like a month of my little $5 wagers here and there. But it's all, I think, I think that we're going to go through a period of time where societally we start to see some problems from this. Yeah, because it is. It is very easy to get, you know, get this thing set up and it is very, very fun. And if you're winning, like if you guess correctly that the Phoenix Suns, by the way, if Clay Thompson would have not gone over seven from the three point line last night, I would have also like I had a parlay going on the Golden State game, a four way parlay and three of them came in. all i needed was clay thompson noted three-point shooter to just hit two three-pointers he went oh for seven from the three-point line and so that that bet fell apart but like i mean you can hear it in my voice it's very like if you like gambling it's very fun but again i think it's going to be very dangerous for for for our country that so many more people are going to have such quick access to putting their money down on on something and and you know very likely losing it depending

what's going on i put i put five dollars down on penny heart getting a 360 spin and a slam dunk

pointer that's an inside joke from our text group and i'm telling you what you were always betting

on penny heart um am i wrong about that were you always saying penny first touchdown well so sorry

this is just turning into dgen talk but whatever we're honoring louis anderson today here's to you

Louie fellow D gen and meatloaf, too, by the way, I told you this morning and I mentioned I didn't follow meatloaf closely, so I don't have anything super kind of intelligent to say about that. But I just want to acknowledge that also fans of meatloaf are really bummed today because I told Genevieve about Louie Anderson. Then she went downstairs and turned on public radio. She said you buried the lead. You didn't talk about meatloaf. And I was like, oh, you know, sorry, that wasn't as much on my radar.

Well, that's one of those things where, yes, and and R.I.P. to meatloaf as well. I think it depends on your, you know, if you were a bad out of hell fan or if you were a Rocky horror picture show person, then the meatloaf meatloaf passing away is obviously or I guess if you were a fight club fan, because that fight club performance was I mean, that's what I think of first, honestly.

Yeah, that was impressive.

Yeah, I saw Edward Norton tweeting about that today about what a sweet person meatloaf was as well. So, yeah, R.I.P. Meatloaf. I will say that was a little bit more outside of my pop culture.

Yeah.

kind of uh vibe yeah so for me the louis anderson one kind of like was the priority in my brain but definitely let's not sleep on uh on the passing of meatloaf who had his own very interesting uh story um you know in that he was uh i believe he was kind of a trying to make it in musical theater and i i'm going to say it was new york and he had tried out for a musical of some kind and the person who was casting the musical i don't know if they put him in it or not but this same guy went on to write bad out of hell which kind of blended sort of rock and roll and broadway style music and he wrote this whole album of course i'm this guy also passed away recently the guy that wrote bad out of hell but he remembered meatloaf and he really liked meatloaf's kind of vocal range and um just his vibe so he he basically he wrote this album bad out of hell And then he had Meat Loaf recorded And it went on to be one of the It was produced by Todd Rundgren Of I don't want to work I just want to bang on the drum all day Guy That's the problem with the youth right now

Nobody wants to work Exactly

They get hit by cars They don't want to work Banging on drums all day So anyway that album of course went on to be Sell I mean it's one of the best selling Like albums of all time Bad Out of Hell And then he did Bad Out of Hell 2 And, you know, stuff like that So, anyway, Meatloaf was obviously an interesting and legendary character himself

But I don't know where I was going with the gambling talk I interrupted you, you were talking about Penny Hart or something We were joking about that Is that train of thought?

Just, no, I have it back and I'll just make it short Because I think everyone's had enough DJ talk for the day But what I would do before the Seahawk game Part of my way of getting hyped for it would be to look at all of the possible bets and find ones that were, like, plus 1,000, meaning if you bet $5, you're going to win, like, you know, 500 or something, like, because they're so unlikely to happen. And it seemed like the Seahawks have a receiver, a little targeted receiver named Penny Hart. And it would be like, if you picked that Penny Hart was going to score the first touchdown of the game and you put five. bucks on it you were going to win a bunch of money and so i would i started doing that one day just because i saw it and then it became kind of a recurring joke what killed me was that there was a game where they literally had drawn up a play for him as the first like it would have been the first touchdown of the game and i think russell wilson just missed him yeah i think it was maybe right when he got back from his finger surgery yeah and it was like heart was apparently open he was targeted and it would have been you know this big windfall for me and also just would

have been funny though too i feel like you're picking these you're picking these bets to make

people laugh i really am like a big more than the few hundred bucks i would have won the respect the long overdue respect that word i mean the long not from you but from like john okay my little brother david and you know people whose opinions matter to me um the respect i would

have gotten from the other criminals also r.i.p my dignity what a day it happens in threes

meat first meatloaf then louis anderson then andrew's dignity then me and andrew's friendship

our friendship it happens in fours that's what they always well andrew is just you know as they

say it was just some bad timming andrew you said you had one you had one request at the beginning of the show before we started taping you said either we do m&ms or we don't do it yeah well So I guess I satisfied your request by not doing M&M's.

I said I don't want a small window on that because I just have too much to say. I don't know if it's definitive or it's mostly questions. This M&M story is amazing. We can either talk about it on Monday. I told Veeves if we don't hit it on TBTL, she and I can really dig into it after these messages on Tuesday.

I like that. I mean, first of all, I'd be happy to talk about it on Monday. But if it feels like for TBTL, the window has kind of closed, that's a great that's a great reason to send people over to your advertising podcast that you do with Genevieve called After These Messages, which is actually a really good place to have that discussion.

Yeah, I also wouldn't mind. Yeah, whatever. I also wouldn't mind your reaction to my reaction. But anyway, we'll talk.

We'll invite me on After These Messages.

Well, we can have a policy kind of like once every three months for any once a year. Yeah, right. Exactly.

but um let's do some music for the weekend before we get here what song are you uh looking to play this week i'm bleeding luke i bit my i'm sorry lip during the break yeah what happened i don't

know i was kind of like pushing my pen on my teeth or something i don't do this is probably why we should you should let in uh genevieve handle your equipment your upper or lower mouth Did you bite your upper or lower part? I don't chew on pens. In fact, these pens that I only use like kind of one kind of pen. I'm very persnickety about it. And so I have a drawer full of uniballs, in case you're curious, micro point. And I was, I don't know, I was doing something where I was kind of like putting it on my lips and my teeth. And I just was pushing. And somehow I, well, this isn't very interesting, but I hurt myself. I guess I have to file. Sorry, Andrew. Would this be a workplace on-the-job injury?

Absolutely. We're doing our jobs right now. Yeah, exactly. I'm so sorry, my friend.

Can I, you know, just call me after the show. I want Beth, our boss, to drive me to the hospital. Like, this is what I want.

We'll record something on Monday that sounds like there's someone standing just off camera with a gun on us. I am empathetic. Can you explain that everyone had the appropriate response to you?

Yeah. OK, here's what I want to do here, Luke, and I'm looking to see if I have the right clip here. I think I do. Here's what happened last night. You know, I've been talking about watching my weird, like kind of kind of obscure video finds on YouTube lately as a sort of like ambience in my office. Well, I did not do that yesterday. I was actually I don't remember exactly how I got on this path, but I ended up on the Internet Archive looking for old radio broadcasts, just generally speaking. And I ended up on a collection of radio broadcasts from the 70s, from a bunch of different places. And some of them are just like a minute long, just like little clips of something. Others are like full radio shows, including music. And they were just kind of clicking along. And one of them came on. And I didn't realize that what I was listening to was an armed forces radio broadcast from August of 1970. Whoa. And this is from Vietnam. This is like, you know, an American forces radio in Vietnam, 1970. So Kent State just happened. At some point, I realized, oh, well, I'll tell you where, when I'm going to play this clip for you, and that's when I totally realized, oh, that this is armed forces. This is a soldier somewhere. But.

I remember some real good morning Vietnam shit.

It's kind of funny. I was thinking about that this morning as I was thinking about whether or not I wanted to play this for music for your weekend, because the song I'm going to play isn't interesting. It's what leads up to it that I think is interesting. But it is like you kind of you hear like in that radio voice, they're kind of introducing songs, but they're not doing it. But it's nothing. But I mean, I also think it's like it's so much better because it's, you know, it's like that movie made it seem like it's more of a talk show where these guys just have very small windows. They're just going in and just being like just very, very quick reactions as they introduce the next record or something or transition. But there was something about listening to this and suddenly realizing the era I'm listening to. This is for this is like just four months after May 4th, after like students are killed on campus and Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young come out with that song, Ohio, Four Dead in Ohio. And like the DJ announces it or maybe back announces it. i can't recall and just kind of and just says something very briefly like maybe three words but it was impactful to hear because i'm just like man this is a man who is in he's in uh theater is that the right word right there like you know what i mean his life is is threatened in some ways every day he's you know and like and knowing that these protesters are at home protesting a war that he probably would be protesting if he weren't there too i don't know there was just it was so just listening to actual Vietnam broadcasts from an American soldier and hearing all of these songs when they were kind of new and about the time. It wasn't like just watching a war movie and hearing these songs as the soundtrack. You know what I mean? I don't know. I'm just babbling. I don't think I'm doing a good job of setting this up. Either way, I'm listening to this and this is where I think I realized that I was listening to a military broadcast because at first I thought this was Civilian Radio, and I was so surprised by this kind of promo that I heard right here on the radio station. And so I'm going to play this promo. I'm kind of needle dropping this, so I don't know if I'm going to get it exact. But the song that comes after is a Neil Diamond song, which I happen to like a lot anyway, called Solitary Man. I think most people are familiar with that song. It's great. So that'll officially be my music for your weekend, Solitary Man by Neil Diamond but really I want you to hear this little promo that happens before the song

We at AFE and Play Coup have a problem In a few short weeks we'll lose two of our engineers and there are no replacements in sight Unless we get two additional engineers we're going to be forced to make a drastic cutback of the number of hours we're now on the air But then maybe you're the man who can help us avoid taking this unwanted step If you have a background in radio or television engineering or just a desire to work in this field together with experience in electronics, you could be just the man we're looking for. The pay may not be any better than what you're getting now, but the job is as challenging and worthwhile as any in Vietnam. To be eligible, you must be releasable by your unit on a TDY basis. Check with your unit commander or officer in charge. Then, with his permission, give us a call at 941-4464 or 941-4434 for full details.

It's 22 minutes past the hour of midnight in Play Coup. This is Neil Diamond.

The Linda was mine till the time that I found Holdin' Jim Lovin' him Then Sue came along Loved me strong That's what I thought Me and Sue That I do Don't know that I win

But until I can find The girls on the stage You won't play games behind me, and I'll be what I am, solid to the man, solid to the man.

God, I love that song. Wow. Wow. So the original kind of the promo or whatever you want to call it is trying to figure out if they can get somebody else, another U.S. service member to come be an audio engineer to keep the radio broadcast going?

Yes. And see, again, this this is like a two. No, this is like a one hour air check file that happens to be in this compilation of other things. And again, some of it's just civilian radio. And so I was listening and I thought this was just like, I don't know. I had no idea what I was listening to. W WNYC.

in New York or something um and which doesn't make sense because that's public WNBC I think is what I was thinking there but anyway but then when it's like are you the man for the job I was like my sexist tackles went up I'm like oh women need not apply huh and then I'm listening more I'm like oh holy shit this is I'm listening to armed forces radio here and that's why they're just saying like your unit commander needs to sign off on you to come to the station at a certain time like I just found that all so fascinating and then I went back to the beginning I listened to it all a little bit closer. And it's also just a great mix, by the way. As somebody who likes Kixi radio, this kind of scratch an itch for me is a good mix of songs.

Well, if it doesn't work out buying Kixi, maybe you can buy an Armed Forces radio broadcast

in Hanoi. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure the government is selling it. So, anyway.

The song that I would like to suggest is by a singer named Margot Silker. It's called Tehachapi. And Margot is a... I guess you'd say sort of a country music singer from, I believe, here in Oregon. I heard this song. I was like we have there's a show called Think Out Loud down here on Oregon Public Broadcasting, which is kind of your standard news and public affairs show, but, you know, on your public radio station. But they did something towards the end of 2021, which was like, what's the music that's been getting you through this last year? and it actually really paid off i mean it's i don't it's almost the kind of thing that we could do as a tbtl experiment oh by the way speaking of which send in your music for your weekend suggestions please luke at tbtl.net i think we're getting relatively low on suggestions um but um it was kind of cool that just it was a whole wide variety of songs they would just play a kind of a snippet of each song but the the songs that people chose and their explanation as to how why this song was helping them or had been meaningful to them during the, you know, the pandemic year and stuff. I thought it was a really good radio segment. And that was how I heard about this song, Tehachapi. So that's the song that I want to play here for Music for Your Weekend, Margot Silver.

Wasn't much of a warning He disappeared one morning Put his mattress up On the back of a pickup truck And I've been working My shoulders were hurting I was learning How to turn my muscles into something What do you think of me? What do you think of me? What do you think of me? On your way back to Tehachapi In Sonoma County Well, the grass is feisty It'll put a tear in your eye Make your nose run like it was wanted You worked on the water And I worked in the pasture And the fog rolling into Petaluma And I brought those two together What do you think of me? Will you think of me Will you think of me On your way back to Tehachapi

Will I cry soon That's a little Margot Silker. The album is called Poho Reel. I think it's just pretty recently out. I think we're going to try to get her on Livewire. I don't know if you know Margot Silker, tell her we're trying to get her on Livewire, please, because I've been listening to this album a bunch this week. It's really good. If you like country music,

Yeah, that's beautiful. I like that. I'm not a huge country guy, but I like that.

Yeah, I have to be honest with you. When I heard it, when I was listening to OPB, I had to use Shazam in the car because I was driving, and they didn't back announce. I turned it on, and literally that song was playing. And I was like, ah, what is this? What is this? And then I like, God bless Shazam, but I Shazammed it and figured out what it was. But anyway, yeah, Margot Silker. Check it out. Our listener suggestion comes from listener Kirsten this week. It's the song Bless the Telephone by a band that plays under the name Serpent with Feet. This is what Kirsten writes. Hi, Luke. Hope that new tattoo is feeling good today. See, Andrew, some people are empathetic about my tattoo, just not you.

That's not a Tim.

I love this song and just recently learned about the artist covering it because they are performing with Bjork. I'm sorry, with Bjerk. I believe that's how Bjerg says her actual name Have you heard that by the way?

No I thought you were making a joke I thought you were just putting on airs As you sometimes do

I saw somewhere, I saw a clip of a very young Bjerg being interviewed, and she was explaining that her name Bjerg rhymes with Djerg.

Oh, I see. Interesting.

And we've all been saying Bjork over here. Maybe that's why she flipped me off one time when I saw her on the street in New York City. She knew in my mind I was thinking her name was Bjork and not Bjerg.

Yeah, or she just might be a jork.

Have an opinion already, Bjerg. don't you worry don't you worry anyway Kirsten writes they're performing with Bjerg here in San Francisco and LA soon they seem really interesting anyway here's a nice weekend morning song with lots of happy 2022 wishes to you Andrew and the 10s from the very base city San Francisco which I love so Signed, Kirsten

I don't think that's the Bay City I know San Francisco, that doesn't sound right to me

Such a nice note from Kirsten That I didn't want to quibble But yeah, obviously, Port Townsend is the Bay City Excuse me, Bellingham's the Bay City Anywhere I am, Andrew, is the Bay City Bay City is a state of mind Portland is the Bay City, for all I care Now here's the thing I did not know about this song

bless the telephone do you know about this song no but i see that a lot of people have covered it i don't know who did it originally but i see somebody named labby sifri i see that calice

did this as well i love calice i'm torn here because i like this serpent with feet version and it's what kirsten sent in but i when kirsten said i i love this song i was like well what's the original i went back it's a british kind of poet musician named labby sifri from the 70s And it's so good Can I just play you a little bit of the Labby Sifri version And then we'll also hear the Serpent with Feet version Now, historically Some of my audio when I play it here is not the greatest

Well, I have it here if you want me to play it from Yeah, we just play like a little Yeah, and it's a short song too This original is only like It's just over a 90 second song So let's take a listen to this original here

It's nice to hear your voice again I've waited all day long Even wrote a song for you It's strange the way you make me feel With just a word or two I'd like to do the same for you it's nice to hear you say hello and how are things with you i love you but very soon it's time to go an office job to do while i'm here writing songs for you

all right so that's the original wow pretty good right that's really beautiful yeah i know it's just like it's beautiful and heartbreaking and emotional it's also interesting because when I didn't realize it was a cover, I had clicked on the version that listener Kirsten sent in. And I thought, how quaint that this new band is singing about how much they're

looking forward to a phone call. You know what I mean? I didn't understand this was

written in the seventies. You know, when that's, that's the, that's how, you know, we were talking to each other across great distances. And I was kind of taken with this idea that in 2022, somebody would be looking, somebody would be looking forward to a phone call as a way of kind of you know hearing the voice of that person they love so so that's the original and by the way i ended up then kind of going down a slight rabbit hole on this performer labby sifri and this is not even this this uh bless the telephone was not even listed like in the top three or four of their songs that people apparently know about so that actually was exciting to me because i was like i got to go in and do a kind of more exhaustive search of

this person's music from the 70s yeah you know i'm developing a thesis as we speak right now that's just popping in my head my theory is my thesis is i don't know if i can totally support this but that the movie licorice pizza is actually a movie about telephones and the lack thereof telephones at times too there are some really important scenes involving the telephone and telephone culture as it was in 1967 or whenever that takes place i'm i think i'm close on that right 68 um and there are you know i don't want to spoil anything but you know there's a scene where these these two young people who have a crush on each other are um kind of using the telephone to call each other and sometimes they can't even quite speak

They're so nervous. That's part of it. The kind of getting getting somebody's phone number kind of plays a part in this. And then a huge part of the movie is them looking for each other around town and they're running to places where they think they're going to be where the other person is and they can't find each other. And like, actually, while they were in one particular scene running around, I was thinking to myself in the theater, just like, how would a younger generation look at this? Would they be confused almost like, well, why don't you just text them? Right. And so I was thinking about that part in the theater, but it wasn't until listening to this song and listening to you talk about this song that I was thinking about that, that emotional scene where they're kind of talking, they're crushing so hard, but talking to each other on the phone and being evasive. And just like, I almost think that P.T. Anderson, Paul Thomas Anderson, I'll bet you telephones were heavy on his mind as he made that film.

Yeah, I've said before on our show that, like, I mean, in a way it's inconvenient, like it's so much more convenient now to just know who's coming to a thing or, you know, text them or whatever. But so much of my life in high school was going places, hoping you would see a person who maybe you had a crush on or even just a friend of yours, just like you. I was I was out of the house all the time because the only way to know if so and so was going to be at a thing was to go to the thing and look around and see if they were there. And even though that's like obviously like way less convenient, it was it was kind of great. Like it, I, there was no, and I'm not trying to get into one of those generational things where I'm acting like, you know, young people who are talking to their friends over other social kind of networks now that that's less meaningful. I don't think it is, but I just, I feel really lucky that I was in an era where I just did a lot of things because of lack of communication or ease of communication and knowing things. There's just a lot of more, you know, a lot more sort of beating the bricks and old good old fashioned shoe leather experiencing of life for me because that was just kind of the only way to do it. And I'm happy that that was the era that I was in.

Maybe every generation thinks this because even though we lived through the huge information revolution with the Internet, every generation lives through – at least every modern American generation has lived through – if they put 60 or 100 years on this earth, they've lived through major technological advancement of some sort or another. You know, whether you grew up with the early days of radio and died with the television boom, you know what I mean? Like you most generations have lived through something huge like this. But the Internet, I don't know if you know this loop, but the Internet really changed everything. And I am so I feel lucky a lot when I think about it because I like technology. But I feel like I was born in sort of the perfect time when it comes to my relationship with technology because I'm just old enough to have those memories as you describe them. I'm glad I got to use the old-fashioned style telephones and didn't get to use them, you know what I mean, in the moments that you're describing and the kind of mysteries of life. I feel that way with some, like, radio technology as well. I'm glad that I'm just old enough to have gotten into radio when we were still using tape and carts and physically cutting tape. That was really cool. I'm also really glad that I don't do that now. And I'm also really glad to have a smartphone, you know. Like, I'm glad that I got a taste of both worlds.

I think the three biggest things – I've given this zero thought, so this will probably come out properly. Electricity, the telephone, and then the internet. Because, you know, radio and TV – yes, yeah, cars. Okay, so let's add cars to this. So electricity, cars, then the telephone, and then the internet. and i mean radio and tv are big but those are entertainment uh and and you know they're in they're informative but you had the telegraph you had like i think that like when we did there was you didn't have things uh powered by electricity the difference between before that and after that is huge the car like you said the difference between taking however many days to get somewhere versus getting there in a day that's huge the telephone because of just communication like now all of a sudden you can communicate like that and then the internet because of all the things we know about the internet those are like the biggest i think changes to life that have happened and we are astride you know that the internet version of that like in that we were you and i were before the internet we we're like part of this kind of i think unique generation i i wouldn't say greatest okay maybe the greatest but we're part of this this generation that that has

Thank you.

you know a very strong lived experience and memory before there was an internet or at least internet that most of us had access to and now an internet that runs our lives like we are it's like it's like being born when there was no electricity and then but it's even different than that because it's like i'm sure that there were they you know they figured out electricity but it took a while yeah for it to go from being like we know how to harness this to we know how to run everything in a city on it yeah like so that's what's also interesting about this internet thing is it went from none of us most of us don't have access to it to it's integral to every second of our life yeah within like you know 15 years or something that's pretty fast like we have really gotten to live on two sides of a very extremely extremely big moment yeah i was thinking that too as you

were talking um because if you let's say that you straddled the era of pre-automobile and then the automobile is invented or maybe not so much invented because that's not really the point here but it becomes mainstream but even still the the infrastructure that goes along with this same with electricity as well it's going to be a much slower integration you're going to live through a time when these cars are not much faster than a horse and buggy and you're sharing the potted roads right right and like you said same with electricity i think another i don't think this is exactly what you hit on but one way i was trying to measure these things too is how much does our society restructure itself and in some case almost physically restructure the infrastructure around a technology i think cars wins that no matter what we i mean especially once you know post-war the highways physically absolutely physically absolutely um but then i think the internet would probably be second to that and it's not just about laying the the wires in the in the ground or whatever but just the way that you navigate society the way society has to you know i mean even i'm trying to think of a good example but just the way that our phones are just unapologetically necessary almost to to to get from one point to another well right every single

thing like half the people if not more listening to the show are doing it on their phone when i i'm i've got to run some errands after this my phone will be the thing that tells me the most efficient route between all of those places when i go into one of the stores to pay if i so choose i'll use my phone actually to pay the bill because it will talk to my bank account and then i have a zoom meeting with prx and i will probably be wrapping up my errands and i'll probably be in the car on my phone doing a zoom meeting like it's those are just that's just the next three hours of my life like it's i gotta play wordle oh man i got really thrown off by a i i somebody that i follow on twitter actually it's not true i don't follow them on twitter but i just saw them on twitter they had their wordle posted today and they said of course this would be the one that i got in two tries and then this was actually a person who i've interviewed on live wire um she's a person who was a um cable installer and she wrote an essay about installing cable and all the different kind of people she saw and things that she experienced um her name is lauren huff and then she got a book deal and she wrote a book of essays she's had a pretty interesting life what happened though was i was then obsessed with trying to figure out why lauren huff would get it in two tries because she said oh of course this is the one i would get in two tries what is so And then having read her book, having interviewed her, I was like, what does that mean? I'm trying to think of, like, she was a cable installer. She was in a cult as a kid. She's a gay woman. She swears a lot. I'm going through everything I can think of about this person so that I can try to get it on the first try. I've now stopped playing Wordle, and I've started playing something called Lauren Huff. Yes.

Just guess the word that Lauren is thinking of.

Guess the thing that she would say, oh, of course I got this at the second try. I don't want to say the answer because people will still be playing today. I'll just tell you, it took me four tries. Throw out the Lauren Huff part of it.

Yeah, I had a feeling that that was probably more of a distraction, right?

It was a distraction. It messed me up. I should have just ignored that. But, yes, you're going to be playing Wordle on your phone later. Go ahead and tell me how many it takes you. See if you can beat four.

Do you want me to start sending them to you? Genevieve and I send our results to each other. So she does hers first thing in the morning. I send mine to Becca, too. Yeah, she sends me the results, not the answer, but, you know, the coded results of how long it took her to get it right. And then my whole thing, and I've been doing this since I started playing about two weeks ago, I hold off and I do it immediately after the show. It's my way of kind of unwinding after the show before I start posting the show, whereas, like, the files are kind of moving through the system. I take five minutes and I do my Wordle.

I've beat Genevieve every single time except for two days ago, and I'm seriously worried that I'm losing my mojo.

Weirdly, I don't want to say better at this than Becca, but it's definitely competitive, which I'm not competitive with her in any of these other word-based spaces. Yep, me too. Like she just did last night. She did the entire New York Times – Thursday, entire New York Times crossword puzzle like it was nothing.

Yeah, and I can't do those at all. I can't do those at all.

Oh, my gosh. No, I'm hopeless. And so, like, this one, the fact that we're about the same, roughly the same kind of abilities at it, it's why I like playing it because it's the only thing that makes me feel like I might possibly be her intellectual equal.

It's weird, right? Because when you were a little bit newer to it the other day when we talked about it on the show, I think I was trying to say that, too, that, like, you would think that if I can be competitive at this, well, then somebody like Genevieve, who spends all of her off time either playing some sort of a Scrabble game, a spelling bee game via the New York Times or the New York Times crossword puzzle, like, she's only thinking about words and letters. she's a speech writer right like this is this is her thing if she and i are competitive at this what is it about this game that it's not boring to her you know what i mean like what is and i think it's about for me like i like putting things in order and this is a way of kind of eliminating things and putting things in order and almost problem solving it's almost like the fact that it's a word game or a letter based game is almost secondary to it i think it's because i like i like arranging things i know that sounds corny but generally speaking that's kind of my guiding principle in life is like I like things to be in order I take photos of things so I can put them in order you know like my editing style is like that my the way I keep my house is like

that you know this is gonna sound like I'm just trying to like humble brag or name drop but you know for me it's like if I can be the Genevieve in this situation I follow the news pretty closely just because of this job and and you know stuff like that so I read a lot of stuff every day just based on what's going on in the world and then it's also fun for me when i'm on wait wait don't tell me and they just lob me a softball in the lightning round it's still satisfying to say the correct answer when it's so obvious it's like you know like it'll like the answer will be anthony fauci and it's set up in such a way that only a person who had recently been born wouldn't know it's anthony fauci and yet i say it and they ding the bell and it's like it feels good even though It was like they just lobbed it right down the middle.

Yeah, no, I mean, well, I'm sure that's true for baseball as well, what the analogy comes from, right? Like, it still just feels great to just nail one out of the park.

So that's probably for Veeves playing Wordle. It's just like, hey, this is fun to dominate in this space as well. All right, which brings us back to the song, Bless the Telephone, Andrew, suggested by listener Kirsten. This is the serpent with feet version, And that's how we're going to wrap up Our broadcast week So thank you everyone for listening Thanks for being part of TBTL We'll see you back here on Monday With more Imaginary Radio Until then have a great weekend Take care of yourselves And please remember No mountain too tall And good luck to all

name for you it's nice to hear you say hello and how are things with you i love you but very soon it's time to go and i have a job to do while i'm writing songs for you Strange how a phone call Could change your day Take your weight Away from the feeling Being alone Bless the telephone Bless the telephone Yeah

Let's face it, some people have a way with words Other people Not have a way Power out