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TBTL: Too Beautiful To Live

#3604 Let's Go Rebrandin'

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January 24, 2022 | 01:38:14 | Leisure, Comedy

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00:00:00 - 00:01:02 | Speaker 7:

Hello, everyone. Well, the Ball State softball team continued to play this weekend. Tomorrow's game will be the meeting between the two, beating both... First... The Indiana Pacers are looking for a measure of revenge tonight against the New Jersey Nets and to strengthen their playoff hopes. The Nets won the last Sunday's matchup, 94-85, which left the Pacers one game behind the Chicago in the 7th series spot. Let's check out the highlights. Steven Jackson's David... Reggie Miller's looking good. He shoots a three, and it's good. Later he gets the rebound, passes it to the man, shoots it, and boom goes the dynamite. The final scores ended up with the Pacers 63 to the net 61. Okay, great. Thanks a lot for that look in sports, Brian. Yeah.

00:01:04 - 00:01:14 | Speaker 4:

TBTL. It is always 67 degrees with a 40% chance of rain. Always.

00:01:15 - 00:01:21 | Speaker 2:

Did you do anything to spare your touche at all? I mean, was it just hard swing and keep moving?

00:01:21 - 00:01:26 | Speaker 1:

Nah, I'd have made bring me a kiwi fruit pillow in a few hours then, eh?

00:01:26 - 00:01:39 | Speaker 3:

You are legit crazy. You are losing your melables. As you know, my goal, as always, is to value and respect your time. And as such, I will now impart the necessary knowledge in a concise and emotionally resonant way.

00:01:43 - 00:03:08 | Speaker 5:

All right, hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Monday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Sorry, Billy Joel. We did start the fire. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. This whole conversation bothers me. Coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center. Right here in Portland, Oregon, where a fog has settled in upon the moors of Portland. I don't think we have moors. I think moors in that context. Like in like the Hounds of Baskerville. I think it's like a Scottish swamp, Scottish bog or something. Anyway, it's real foggy here in Portland today, but we are going to continue forward with episode 3,604 in a collector's series. Not going to let the fog bother us or delay us or let the fun begin. Stop us from letting the fun begin here on this Monday morning. we tried to talk about this on Friday we ran out of time but it actually picked up some steam over the weekend it was an SNL bit the announcement that the M&M's mascots are getting a kind of a remodel to more in the words of the Mars Corporation accurately reflect the time

00:03:08 - 00:03:10 | Speaker 4:

there's a waste of time to do that

00:03:10 - 00:03:38 | Speaker 5:

yeah I have to say as far as corporate branding moves go this one actually was very successful in that it got all of us talking about it which i think is kind of why they do this stuff so uh we will give them what they are so desperately seeking which is um attention when we talk about that story coming up also uh there is a weird al biopic in development starring uh daniel radcliffe how funny is that

00:03:38 - 00:03:39 | Speaker 7:

That's pretty funny.

00:03:40 - 00:04:21 | Speaker 5:

In researching the piece, I found the LA Times review of the movie UHF from the 80s. How old? When was Schubert Tip? How old was I when I saw UHF? I don't know. But it was interesting because I loved the movie UHF starring Weird Al. It was interesting to see how actual film critics were reviewing it back in the day. So we've got that as well. Plus emails and emails. And this guy, the longest running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. Oh, he's hilarious, dog. Who is? Andrew Walsh, who's joining us right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood, Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my friend.

00:04:22 - 00:05:00 | Speaker 6:

Good morning, Luke. Sorry, I'm a little out of breath. I just cut garbage stuff. No, well, it's garbage content. I just had an idea of something that I wanted to talk to you about, but I just had the idea at the very, very last minute and I realized part of it would be helpful if I had a little I know this is an audio medium but I needed a little visual aid I needed to grab something for reference and I knew exactly where it was in the other room so right, right as I heard you I'm so out of breath I am so out of shape right as I started to hear you whine

00:05:00 - 00:05:06 | Speaker 1:

up to introduce me i had this idea so i had to quickly whoa mute my microphone turn on the little

00:05:06 - 00:05:12 | Speaker 2:

speaker in my studio so that i could hear you so you were monitoring what was going on but from

00:05:12 - 00:05:48 | Speaker 1:

afar and then got up and then just ran you know i don't know half a mile no um just like just out this door into my into my dining room i grabbed you know you know the layout of my house so i just got up and grabbed my something off the dining room table you grabbed your drink works machine and bring it back into it i had to unplug it first i had to do the cleaning process which it asks me to clean it even though i haven't used it um and then uh anyway um so i grabbed something off the table and then i raced back in here and then uh i could have gotten away with it except i was so out of breath like i just just made it in time unfortunately i couldn't talk to you like

00:05:48 - 00:05:53 | Speaker 2:

a normal person and what was the thing what was the visual aid for this audio medium that that

00:05:53 - 00:07:22 | Speaker 1:

you needed um all right i'll tell you what i wanted to talk to you about is the fact that i am on a project right now uh breaking in a new this is kind of a big deal breaking in hopefully a new pair of tonight pants oh i think it's pretty obvious what tonight pants are they're the pants that i wear when um you know when i'm done going out for the day and i'm ready to relax at home the weird thing about my tonight pants are they are not what most people would consider to be comfortable pants like i always like to wear oversized pants that are comfortable to me but they're not like pajama pants i don't like sweat pants i don't like sweats i don't like anything that i know this sounds this makes zero sense but like i've just never been comfortable wearing any kind of stuff like that and kind of what they now call as leisure wear or even just you know bummy old sweatpants i've just never been comfortable being seen in that stuff so i don't I don't wear it around the house. Even by Genevieve. Yes, and also, like, I'm just not comfortable in it. Like, it's probably tied into the same reason I don't like taking off my shoes at somebody's house. I don't know why it is. It's a psychological thing, and I feel infantilized maybe. I have these things where I think, well, if there was an emergency and I had to run out of the house right now, do I want to be standing on the street wearing sweatpants or pajama pants, Or would I rather be wearing pants that aren't flattering but, you know, at least are what I consider to be outside wear? I don't – it doesn't make sense.

00:07:22 - 00:07:38 | Speaker 2:

So basically what it is is – because I think a lot of us who do, you know, wear sweatpants at home or whatever would say the physical comfort of it is what matters. But the psychological discomfort of it makes it so you'd rather be wearing a pair of jeans or – your tonight pants were khaki, right?

00:07:38 - 00:09:59 | Speaker 1:

Yeah, so that's what I grabbed off the – that's what I grabbed off the table. One of the reasons I'm finally breaking in a new pair or trying to break in a new pair is I have one pair of tonight pants, and then during the summers I wear, like, tonight shorts, which really are just shorts. I just have a couple of pair of shorts that I alternate in and out, but they're, again, like kind of khaki-style shorts. Anyway, so the actual pants I've been wearing for years now is my tonight pants are, like, this kind of work gray color. like imagine maybe like your grandfather would put these on uh to go work in the yard in maybe the 70s i don't know this is like that kind of blue gray color that i just associate with work pants but they're not work pants you know at one point these were probably sold i mean god knows when but these were probably sold as some pants that you could you know maybe wear with a button down shirt or something like that for like a business casual look i'm not sure but they're they're big i'm looking and this is why i wanted there if you want to look it up is the brand is covington regular fit but again god knows how old these are these could be from i'm guessing these are from the 90s or something um and then the size is big i have a size 40 by 30 here if i'm buying a new pair of jeans i think i'm in the 36 range or something so this is i don't know exactly what i am depends on the jeans maybe but these are big baggy gray looking kind of like straight leg khaki slash work looking pants but they were in the wash last night so while they were in the wash and I was wearing my my outside pants my more slim fitting jeans last night I was like well I need to change into something comfortable I don't want to put on sweatpants my tonight pants are in the wash and it's too cold to put on shorts so I'm like well I have a this is so goddamn boring I'm sorry so I have a few pairs of khaki pants that I've been scared to pull out of my closet for a while now because I have these pants that I bought at some point or another probably like a grip of them I don't know like maybe four or five pairs of pants that I haven't tried on in years that I probably bought at some point where I was like well I got to go to this thing where I have to be somewhat presentable I don't know maybe a KUOW holiday party back when I worked there you know going back a ways and then they hung in my closet and then my style kind of changed I've been wearing more kind of jeans I didn't used to wear jeans a lot and then I just sort of have always thought well, those

00:10:00 - 00:10:43 | Speaker 2:

pants probably don't fit me anymore my weight fluctuates i'm sure i've probably outgrown them like a growing boy that i am um but i don't know if everybody's like this or if it's just part of my um you know just another part of my crippling psychological position but i can't think of things i hate much worse than trying to put on a pair of pants that don't fit even if i'm just like i know they don't fit but i need to confirm it so that i can send them to goodwill like that feeling of just like trying to squeeze into pants is just one of the worst feelings in the world. Again, I grew up as a pretty fat kid, too, who was kind of ridiculed for it, so I'm sure it's all tied up in that. And I think it's also just a human feeling, but I hate it. So anyway, I've had these pants in the back of my closet for a long time.

00:10:43 - 00:10:47 | Speaker 1:

So you weren't a big skinny jeans guy. No, I most certainly was not.

00:10:47 - 00:11:49 | Speaker 2:

And that's kind of, I don't think I can make this interesting, but I pulled these pants out of the back of my closet, and I've probably worn them a couple of times. These are the new pants I'm wearing. These are the pants that were supposed to be presentable. You know, they're not all holy or anything, but I figured they wouldn't fit. And they're a pair of, like, straight-legged khakis from Old Navy that I'm going to put in about the 10-year-old range right now, although I'm not entirely sure about that. And the thing about it is they are a little bit tight around the waist, at least for me. Like, I'm not wearing a belt right now, and the idea of not wearing a belt is foreign to me because I always have a little give in my pants, and so I need a belt. so they're a little bit tight around the waist but the other legs, I can't believe that I ever thought these were stylish these are straight leg, no pleats thank god, but they're so straight legs they're almost, again these are not that old but they're so wide, the legs themselves are so wide and straight that, what are those jeans that you talk about Janko jeans? Yeah it's almost like

00:11:49 - 00:11:50 | Speaker 1:

which are back by the way

00:11:50 - 00:12:49 | Speaker 2:

it's on the road to Janko these pants are that's the show title The road to Janko. I'm writing it down. They're not Janko, but, like, they're almost on. So I'm like, well, if I can break in the waist a little bit. Like, if I wear these around and the waist just kind of naturally loosens up a little bit, which I don't think that's how things work. But because jeans, I think, will do that a little bit more than khakis. But if I could get the waist to be a little bit looser, the legs are super comfortable. They're just swimming around in this relatively soft khaki fabric. I could see these being my, you know, my next pair of Forever Tonight pants if this goes well. And so I'm wearing them right now because, again, if something happened, I had to run outside. These would be, you know, presentable. You wouldn't think that I'm, you know, visiting from from L.A. with the latest style, certainly. But I could, you know, walk to Whole Foods in this. But I'm but I'm wearing them during the day in an attempt to break them in.

00:12:49 - 00:13:26 | Speaker 1:

Because I didn't want to put you on blast, but also one of the things that you and I talked about a lot when the pandemic was starting was sort of what our commitment to wearing, you know, kind of normal, you know, pre-pandemic clothing during the daytime. And also because you and I have worked from home now for years, even before the pandemic. Both of us could definitely slide into a mode of just wearing. You could be wearing your tonight pants at all times at home. I could be wearing sweats. I mean, no one would really know, but you, I think, make it a point to sort of get dressed every morning before we do the show, just so you're in the right frame of mind.

00:13:26 - 00:13:31 | Speaker 2:

Yeah. I don't even just wear a T-shirt. I always have a button-down shirt on, even though I'm here by myself.

00:13:31 - 00:13:43 | Speaker 1:

And so when you started to mention that you had these pants on, and as we were talking, I was like, well, that seems out of character for you, but it's because you're actually trying to... It's like a wild stallion. You're trying to tame them. You're trying to break them.

00:13:43 - 00:14:12 | Speaker 2:

I'm trying to tame them. I'm trying to break them. I'm sending you a photo of my legs right now, Luke. Again, you and I are pretty close friends, but this may be getting close. It's not a sext that I'm sending you, but it's closer to a sext than most other pictures I send to your phone. I'm trying to show you. It's a really goofy-looking angle. I don't know if you've received it on your phone yet, but I just wanted to show you the wide-leggedness of these Jango Juniors. It's a text message.

00:14:12 - 00:14:27 | Speaker 1:

Oh, Andrew Walsh. You are so funny to me because this is not what I was expecting. First of all, these are nice-looking pants. You thought they were going to be rattier? I just thought they were going to be much huger. What it speaks to, well, they look totally normal.

00:14:27 - 00:14:31 | Speaker 2:

Here, let me stand up. I'm going to try standing up, and you can see how long they're back. Okay, because they look fine to me.

00:14:31 - 00:14:44 | Speaker 1:

I'm looking at the photo. By the way, a little quick research on Jenko Jeans, J-N-C-O. It stands for Judge None, Choose One. J-N-C-O. Jenko Jeans.

00:14:44 - 00:14:55 | Speaker 2:

Sorry, I'm off mic for my little photo shoot. You've got to carry the show for a while. But I had no idea. Nor did I. Is that like their answer to like, what is it? Like By Us, For Us? No, what am I thinking?

00:14:55 - 00:15:00 | Speaker 1:

Oh, FUBU, For Us, By Us. Yeah, right. Like, I guess that was all kind of at the same time. You had Cross.

00:15:00 - 00:15:25 | Speaker 2:

Cross Colors, FUBU, Jenko, like these – was a time when these brands were – I mean, I think this continues to this day, but these clothing brands were really trying to be more of like a statement, a social statement of some kind. I mean, of course, they also want you to buy the ridiculous-looking jeans. But the photo you sent me of your road to Jenko pants, they look much more just normal than I was expecting. I thought they were going to be silly big.

00:15:26 - 00:15:35 | Speaker 1:

No, I guess they're not silly, but I guess I think they're silly. I'm trying to find a good photo. I also chose some shoes today, Luke, that I think complement them more. Yeah, exactly.

00:15:35 - 00:15:39 | Speaker 2:

Because you look, I mean, this could this be the show pick? Could this be the show sex?

00:15:41 - 00:15:42 | Speaker 1:

What are we going to use for a show sex?

00:15:42 - 00:16:08 | Speaker 2:

It's actually it's actually a nice composition. This photo, you've got this cool rug that you that you have in your studio, which looks freshly vacuumed, which I'm not surprised once a day. I'm not surprised, but it's nice. It's a cool pattern. It's sort of a red rug with a geometric pattern on it. You've got some cool-looking – they look sort of like Converse-esque. Okay, now I just got the other photo.

00:16:08 - 00:16:49 | Speaker 1:

You're starting to see now. So I stood up and I took some photos because, again, I like this style. I grew up in the 90s, but I wanted to really emphasize for you how I think these aren't – again, if I walk out on the street right now, nobody's going to do the Simpsons ha-ha laugh at me. But why I'm surprised is when I put these on last night, I was like, wait a second. At some point in the not-too-distant future, me as an adult, as like a full-fledged adult, not even a young adult, I bought these pants and thought this is the type of thing that I would wear with a sport coat to a holiday party potentially. And that's where you're like, wow, if I were to see Andrew wearing these at a holiday party, I might think that's an interesting choice.

00:16:49 - 00:17:17 | Speaker 2:

Well, the funny part is they're probably in style. Now they are. We're getting a jogger sighting Oh nice, good job My friend from afar This young woman who goes out for her jog every day And then inspires me to get my S together later today Good to see you, buddy For new listeners That's just a person I can see out the window of my apartment It's not as weird as that might have sounded out of context Also for new listeners

00:17:17 - 00:17:22 | Speaker 1:

His Roomba's name is Randy And he treats him sometimes like a son And sometimes a roommate Just in case that comes in

00:17:22 - 00:17:48 | Speaker 2:

And he is really acting up this weekend, Andrew. I know it sounds like a bit I'm trying to do for the show or whatever, but it's like when Randy is out working on vacuuming the apartment, I swear to God, anywhere that I go that I need to be, like I'm brushing my teeth or I'm putting laundry away, he senses where I am and then comes over and starts trying to vacuum up my feet.

00:17:48 - 00:17:49 | Speaker 1:

He likes you. That's what Bananas does.

00:17:49 - 00:20:00 | Speaker 2:

And I'm just like, bruh, leave me alone. Can't I just have – can't I just do something in this apartment without you coming over and messing with me? No, I think it's sweet. It's not for effect. That is really the dynamic that unfolds in this apartment on an almost daily basis. But anyway, the irony or maybe whatever of this is that, yeah, I think that probably larger, baggier pants are very in style. There is a certain look now that I see typically on women in their 20s, and it is baggy jeans often where the hem – it's like instead of being hemmed like a pair of pants where there's – you know what I mean, like someone has stitched the hem in, they're like very rough. It's like somebody cut them with scissors, so they're kind of frayed. I used to do that. I used to get new pairs of jeans and cut off the bottom. so yeah that's very right now the look is for um for a certain kind of um style of again particularly women in their 20s is hair parted in the middle jeans that are like look jenco like they're not on the road to jenco they've arrived like very wide leg jeans that are that are cut they're almost like high waters and they're cut with scissors so now they're fraying sometimes those jeans will also just have huge holes in the knees and like you know they'll be very very they're almost more not gene than gene than the level of holes but that's not that's not the necessary condition to this look the necessary condition is very very wide leg jeans that are cut roughly so that they're fraying um hair parted in the middle and then this time of year short puffer coat on like puffer coat that's kind of almost like like extra short for some reason that is and you will see and of course i was a version of this with my dude friends in my 20s where like we'd go out to dock uh maynards or one of these clubs in belltown or uh pioneer square and probably me and camaro and uh our friend uh john aka jd we probably all looked and even our friend kelly Uriqua. We all probably look

00:20:00 - 00:20:32 | Speaker 1:

looked like the same person because we all had the same outfits on like that just kind of there's just group think that kicks in so i don't want to make it sound like i'm trying to say it's just 26 year old women but you will see i will see in portland a pack a gaggle of of of of these you know mid-20s women that are all dressed exactly the same and i sometimes i wonder did you coordinate this did you call each other or is this just who was the first person to get on this wavelength of fashion and when you all arrived at the meetup spot did you notice that you all look

00:20:32 - 00:21:41 | Speaker 2:

exactly the same i am i can fit right in with these jeans i know it kind of i mean i'm i like the fact that i mean what you're describing i don't know how rooted all of that is in the 90s but a chunk of it is definitely rooted in the 90s and definitely we have celebrated on this show uh in the past year or two the the um re-ascendence of doc martin and doc martin style shoes and boots I love that. I mean, I'm going to say it, Luke. I love the 90s. And so I enjoy seeing it back. And also I can pull again. The problem with these pants is I bought them as an adult in the 2000s. And like, that's the thing. I love the 90s. But also whatever I think is comfortable to me, you know, clothes wise often is rooted in what I liked in the 90s. And what I liked in the 90s was, again, I've said this on the show before, but I had probably my favorite shirt was a button down shirt that was kind of a kind of a flannel material, but not patterned. It was like kind of an off white color. And I think it was 3X size. So it was, and I know you've said it many times, like I look like Scrooge McDuck carrying a little candle. Yeah, in the candle holder.

00:21:41 - 00:21:43 | Speaker 1:

Trying to figure out what all this bother is about.

00:21:43 - 00:22:06 | Speaker 2:

Exactly. Like it was like that. And I loved it. I absolutely loved it. And that has forever informed me, which is why Genevieve and I just went to have brunch at somebody's house yesterday. And I did not dress up for it. I just had on like a snap down kind of Western style shirt and a pair of jeans that fit me. You know, that was it. I just it's just like, wow, you look nice. I'm like, yeah, let me get I was going to say the comments.

00:22:06 - 00:22:08 | Speaker 1:

I bet I bet the comments were noticeable.

00:22:08 - 00:22:11 | Speaker 2:

You mean from Genevieve? Is that what you mean?

00:22:11 - 00:22:26 | Speaker 1:

Well, and even maybe from people at the brunch like, oh, you look nice, Andrew. Like, I feel like you definitely, were you to wear clothing that was, like, more your size, I bet you would get a lot of compliments because I think it would look nice on you.

00:22:27 - 00:22:39 | Speaker 2:

Well, you know, the people at the brunch were noticeably silent now that I think about it about my looks. Huh. Huh. That actually puts that entire brunch in a different perspective. But anyway. Yeah, it should.

00:22:39 - 00:22:41 | Speaker 1:

I mean, your silence really speaks volumes.

00:22:41 - 00:22:56 | Speaker 2:

I don't feel like I started off our broadcast week on the best foot with me huffing and puffing out of breath just to talk about these stupid pants that I'm wearing. But I will at least try to salvage it by taking some of these photos and making them maybe a collage for the show pick today.

00:22:56 - 00:23:45 | Speaker 1:

Andrew, had you not started the show where you started it, we would not. And the listeners, I would say most of the listeners, would also not know that JNCO Jean stands for judge none, choose one. I believe this will be my next viral hit tweet as well. I'm going to have to tweet this out. Because that's just mind-blowing to me. And I don't know how it took me this long to try to figure out why in the heck do they call those, to me, silly-looking pants, JNCOs. You will definitely see Machine Gun Kelly and Megan Fox wearing them as they stare into the middle distance vacantly at the next big Hollywood event. I don't know. This is not the show that people come to for their Machine Gun Kelly, Megan Fox hot takes. But I saw some headlines somewhere Do you know who either of those people are that I just said?

00:23:45 - 00:24:04 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, because I remember when they were first a couple They did something that caught the attention of the press So I had to kind of look it up I'd heard of Machine Gun Kelly I always thought that he was a musician Or like a hip-hop musician He is Oh, he is, he is, okay, gotcha I thought I'd read something that But he's more than that He's more than that, Luke

00:24:04 - 00:25:00 | Speaker 1:

Andrew, he is so much more than that He's a person who likes to gaze past the camera like he's in the last place he wants to be when he's being photographed at big Hollywood events. That that guy's deal is he was like a rapper in the early days. So like Machine Gun Kelly was a kind of, you know, yeah, he was a rapper sort of in the sort of Eminem ish. But oh, that which gets us into our top stories conveniently. conveniently but then he and he was i think pretty popular doing that stuff but then he like learned how to play guitar i think and then came out with a sort of like uh like i don't i'm so along with fashion being something i don't understand anymore at my advanced age musical genre is what we call stuff i don't really understand either but he basically came out with like an album that sounded like it could have been written by Blink-182. Mm-hmm.

00:25:00 - 00:25:13 | Speaker 2:

the early 2000s. He kind of came out with like a pop punk, early 2000s sounding record, which was a huge hit. And so now he's still a musician, but like for a different style of music than he got popular for.

00:25:13 - 00:25:15 | Speaker 1:

Okay, that would explain my confusion.

00:25:15 - 00:25:46 | Speaker 2:

Which is an interesting, you know, not everyone is allowed by the listening public to shift genres like that. Excuse me. Genre. But then he's also an actor. He was in Bird Box, the Sandra Bullock film where you have to go around blindfolded or you're going to have your soul snatched or whatever. Remember that was a big I think that was kind of like early pandemic or maybe just before the pandemic that was a big Netflix sensation. He was in that as an actor and he is now an actor as well.

00:25:46 - 00:25:58 | Speaker 1:

You saw that. I did not watch that. Was he, as an actor, does he just like do the part of an actor and kind of just disappear into the role pretty seamlessly or does he kind of stand out as oh that's Machine Gun Kelly acting

00:25:58 - 00:26:55 | Speaker 2:

he i would say as much as a like six five rail thin bottle bleach blonde person can disappear into the role he did like legitimately i didn't realize it was him until the end of the film he was just he was just kind of one of the people who was hiding out from the whatever the thing was that was getting them i can't remember if it was aliens or an evil spirit or something yeah he was i thought he was a totally competent actor um and uh this is what's kind of funny is i was in montana in butte montana remember like i don't know a couple years ago now doing some stories and i will admit that i figured cbs television being in butte montana was going to be the biggest thing going uh there and in fact we were not because machine gun kelly and megan fox were shooting a film in butte oh that's right in the hotel where we were filming our thing so not only were we not the biggest thing in butte we weren't even the biggest thing in this

00:26:55 - 00:27:10 | Speaker 1:

hotel in butte at that moment okay i was confusing that with another story where you rolled into another small town and thought that um you were going to impress everybody but then didn't a pattern then didn't a local say to you at a bar well we're not as excited as so and so who was

00:27:10 - 00:28:15 | Speaker 2:

filming here last week or something that was the the beer commercial that i was in in my 20s oh and uh we were in wayne alberta canada at a um kind of dive bar just off the side of the highway there and we were filming this this commercial and there were these two you know kind of old sort of roust about that part of alberta is oil country so you got some real sort of you know dirt or maybe oil under their fingernail kind of rough roughneck guys these two dudes were sitting in there and um and they actually like let one of them to let they asked one of them to be in the commercial which meant he got paid who knows what i mean i think he became a principal in the commercial by virtue of his screen time and anyways we were leaving um uh one of them said uh yeah we we we liked uh we liked it was either we liked the tom cochran video because the life is a highway video was shot there or also it might have been we liked owen wilson and jackie chanmore because the the film shanghai noon had also shot a scene in this bar the last chance

00:28:15 - 00:28:24 | Speaker 1:

saloon in wayne alberta canada okay yeah that must be for some reason i thought that was a more recent story but yeah that must be what i'm conflating my guess is i will point is i roll

00:28:24 - 00:29:10 | Speaker 2:

into every town thinking i'm king shit of turd mountain and i'm regularly disappointed in how not interested in me people are now the thing i was gonna say about machine gun kelly though this was the headline that i've really been wrestling with in my mind you ever just see a news item and for some reason you just you're just thinking about it a lot and i don't know if it's like you want to compose a hot take for the show or you want to say something to genevieve about it or Or maybe you don't really tweet about this kind of stuff as much. But I've been wrestling with this headline I saw the other day about Machine Gun Kelly and Megan Fox, which is Machine Gun. They're engaged now, apparently. And Machine Gun Kelly custom designed the engagement ring to have thorns on it so that if Megan Fox tries to take it off, it hurts her.

00:29:11 - 00:29:35 | Speaker 1:

Oh, is that that explains the headline that I just saw. I think you're about to read this. Megan Fox loses finger oh no I saw let's see this is from the independent is machine gun Kelly's engagement ring for Megan Fox romantic or abusive and I just saw that but just I just saw that while we're talking and I didn't click on it so I was like how could how could that be I hadn't seen

00:29:35 - 00:29:59 | Speaker 2:

the next wave of takes I guess that's that's I mean I guess that's a take that then changes the sort of you know the shade of this conversation because it's like if if there's a legitimate case to be made that it would be potential abuse, then it's like, well, that's obviously not particularly funny. They're both in on it, as far as I can tell. Like, their whole vibe is one of very sort of dominant, submissive, I guess. Like, Megan Fox was wearing an

00:30:00 - 00:31:28 | Speaker 1:

A dress that was quite revealing at some, like, I don't know what, the Oscars or something. And I believe that she said to the press that Machine Gun Kelly, her boyfriend, had told her, this is what you're wearing. And she had been quite fine with that. In fact, I believe she used the term, sorry to all the young people, but she said something like, yes, daddy, to that. So I think the dynamic of their relationship is one where he does stuff like this and she's into it. So I don't think we're talking about abuse I think we're talking about people who are just choosing to live their life The way they're living But it's also just like Get over yourself They're just like I don't know them as people And maybe like behind closed doors They're just lovely But the vibe that they have Decided to embrace As far as what they're going to look like in photos And I can't imagine what it's like To be hounded by the paparazzi I can't imagine what it's like to have The few photos that are taken of me um are leave me feeling extremely insecure and i don't like it very much um i can't imagine what it's like to be a person who when you walk down the street thousands of photographs are taken of you so maybe they've just decided we're going to have like a vacant stare is going to be our go-to because then we don't look like it could just be kind of a stylistic or aesthetic choice but it doesn't seem like these are people that we would have a lot of fun hanging out with andrew is what I'm trying to say.

00:31:28 - 00:31:41 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, but it's interesting. And this is where I always turn, well, a little Pollyanna-ish and maybe, I don't know, I'm not argumentative.

00:31:42 - 00:31:44 | Speaker 1:

You're choosing to judge none and choose one.

00:31:44 - 00:32:19 | Speaker 2:

Well, it's just I just follow the path of Jesus Christ. Is that Janko Jean's life? Oh, sorry. I thought you were just putting me on a higher plane. Anyway, what I was going to say was it's one of those things, yeah, Like it doesn't seem like I would be like that. We'd all hang out together, certainly. But it's like one of those things where when popular culture gets kind of outraged by people like this, especially like somebody's relationship like this, I don't have a lot of hope for this. But I really want them to be together for like 50 years and to like look back and just have like the best freaking relationship.

00:32:19 - 00:32:20 | Speaker 1:

The Kurt and Goldie of their era.

00:32:20 - 00:32:40 | Speaker 2:

Yes, I just want them to have the best relationship where they just ease into something that might not be for us, but it is for them. You know what I mean? Like, I just always want that. And it's a little bit like, you know, this whole thing reminds me of how long ago was it that we were all obsessed or upset by Billy Bob Thornton wearing the vial of blood?

00:32:40 - 00:32:45 | Speaker 1:

I believe it was Angelina Jolie wearing a vial of Billy Bob Thornton's blood.

00:32:45 - 00:33:24 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, okay. I knew there was a vial of blood involved. I thought they both wore each other's. But anyway. Probably so. You know, I just remember, like, we're all – I don't think we – I don't know that I ever spoke out about it until this moment. I've been kind of doing my own research and keeping my powder dry on this topic. But, like, it's just, like, it's the type of thing that – I mean, who gives a shit? You know what I mean? Like, I mean, I don't care if people are kind of into celebrity culture or whatever, but, like, I'm not going to get upset about it one way or the other. And I'm always kind of like, it would just be nice if these, it would just be nice if Machine Gun Kelly and Megan Fox just became kind of eventually just kind of like boring and in love and, you know, settled in. That'd be awesome.

00:33:24 - 00:35:01 | Speaker 1:

I'm fine with that. And like here, okay, a couple things, not to take the air out of your take, because I actually like your take. I don't think, maybe because of this ring thing, there's a certain, some pushback. But generally speaking, what's interesting is everyone loves them being together. Oh, okay, good. There's not – it's not like they're not – I don't think they're seen as – like there's not a controversy around these two people being in a relationship. It just strikes me that like the particular choice they've made around how they're going to look when they're photographed at celebrity events is just so vacant and weird to me. Like these are two physically attractive people. They're both super rich. They're famous. They're like – there's a lot going right in their life. And they've decided that what they really want to always look like in photos is like they were just rescued off of they were both in a lifeboat that had been at sea for four months. And they'd been eating like they'd been eating seagulls that they were able to occasionally catch. That's the general look in their eyes in every photograph. And to me, it's a sort of it's it's a it's a it's almost it feels to me like whatever the thing is that bugs you about L.A. brunch culture. yeah that like a conventionally attractive people waiting for brunch in la is like that's a thing that kind of really like um gets uh you know that's a burr under your saddle there's something about machine gun kelly and megan fox's choice on how they're going to look in photos it's a burr under my saddle now again they might be really nice people behind closed doors and when they're hanging out and i You

00:35:00 - 00:35:07 | Speaker 2:

I'm still rooting for them. Like, I'm with you. It would be cute if they were together in 40 years. My guess is they're not going to be together in 40 months.

00:35:07 - 00:35:10 | Speaker 3:

I thought you were in those minutes, but yeah.

00:35:10 - 00:35:51 | Speaker 2:

I think fame is so corrosive that I just think it must be really, really, really hard for people to stay in a committed relationship or whatever. I don't know what the terms of their relationship are. But it's hard for it's hard for people, I think, in that situation to actually stay together because of all the weird outside forces. So I would that's I will be quite surprised if they stay together long term. But I sure hope they do. And wouldn't it be fun if four years from now we're still doing this show? Could we do this show at 85? Like, I know we've talked about this a lot, but I mean, do you think would we physically be capable of doing this show in our 80s?

00:35:51 - 00:35:57 | Speaker 3:

We're going to need more cough buttons. I think we're going to be clearing our throat a lot more.

00:35:57 - 00:36:02 | Speaker 1:

It's like our version of Jaws. You're going to need a bigger boat. You're going to need a bigger cough button.

00:36:02 - 00:36:20 | Speaker 3:

We're going to each have a cough button in each hand for some reason because we're just constantly clearing our throat. I mean, also, like, when you just think about this stuff, especially in the past couple of years, and I'll put this mostly on me, like, I act so old at this point in my life. How old can I act when I'm that old?

00:36:20 - 00:36:23 | Speaker 2:

Andrew, would an old guy be breaking in new Tonight pants?

00:36:24 - 00:36:34 | Speaker 3:

Would an old man be spending most of his life in these steel, steely gray work pants that look exactly like your grandfather's work pants? No, of course not.

00:36:34 - 00:37:43 | Speaker 2:

No, you and I are young and hip, and we've got a minimum of another 40 years doing this show. All right, let's take a quick break, and then when we come back, we will get into the top stories and emails and V-mails. In a moment, here on TBTL. Let's thank some donors of the day. These are the folks making today's episode possible with their financial support of TBTL. I saw somebody on Twitter who's like not part of the TBTL universe or even somebody that we know, But they were saying something like, could there be a model for podcasting that was less about advertisers and more about just kind of like a boutique, like an independent record label of podcasting? I think they and, you know, you basically like you're selling your podcast to a small but fervent audience. And I thought, yeah, that's called TVTL.

00:37:44 - 00:37:49 | Speaker 3:

In fact, you kind of poo-pooed my idea of delivering this on vinyl each day.

00:37:49 - 00:38:02 | Speaker 2:

Um, I, you know, we have to, we have to talk to the APM people about like what that would do to the budget and how much vinyl they have kind of lying around there at the mothership.

00:38:02 - 00:38:06 | Speaker 3:

Cause we need at least 10 pressings per day for our tens of listeners.

00:38:06 - 00:39:20 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's right. So do that, do the math on that. It's 52 weeks, five days a week, 10 pressings. Opa, that's a lot of vinyl. let's thank michelle hall in long beach california michelle i love long beach california there once it was fun yeah it's a cool very cool town a lot of really cool history what i like about southern california and i've talked about this before is that even the like the suburbs of los angeles and not that long beach is a suburb long beach is its own city but just like everything has its own history because it feels like Southern California was kind of settled all at the same time whereas if you're in other states you might have the city I'm going to be vague here because I don't want to offend anyone who's in any specific place but you'll have like the city that was founded and then everyone was living there and then eventually these outer communities formed but they're mostly just because people needed to live near the Bed Bath and beyond but in Southern California you just every city has its own kind of interesting history including Long Beach where Michelle Hall is. Thanks, Michelle, for supporting the show. Joe Taylor is in Illyria, Ohio. Oh, Eastside-er. Is that in the greater Cleveland area?

00:39:21 - 00:39:32 | Speaker 3:

Yeah, now I just mumbled Eastside-er. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Illyria is the Eastside. Yeah, I didn't make it over to the Eastside as much. Oh, that's not true. I used to hang out at a place called Coventry. How far was Coventry?

00:39:33 - 00:39:36 | Speaker 2:

Wait, isn't that also the name of your jeans? Or are those Covington?

00:39:36 - 00:39:37 | Speaker 3:

Hold on, let me see.

00:39:39 - 00:39:40 | Unknown:

Okay, I'm back.

00:39:41 - 00:39:51 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, they're Covington regular fit. What's east-sider mean? East side of the town? East side of the lake? East side of Cleveland. Couldn't be the lake, because that'd be like Europe.

00:39:51 - 00:39:59 | Speaker 3:

I couldn't be more wrong about Elyria. I was thinking Elyria is the east side. That is not true. Elyria is more rural. I think it's southwest of Cleveland.

00:40:00 - 00:40:06 | Speaker 1:

I just bought some Illyria on Bitcoin. Oh. And it's getting murdered right now.

00:40:06 - 00:40:14 | Speaker 2:

I was taking Illyria because I thought I had symptoms of COVID. And so I was taking some Illyria for that. It seems to work better than the VAC, certainly.

00:40:14 - 00:40:18 | Speaker 1:

I really enjoyed this weekend's Saturday Night Live because Will Forte was the host.

00:40:18 - 00:40:20 | Speaker 2:

Uh-huh. I saw people buzzing about it.

00:40:20 - 00:40:30 | Speaker 1:

And he's just so funny to me. But they did his MacGruber sketch, which is kind of a play on MacGyver. Yeah. It's actually like a TV show, I think, on Peacock.

00:40:30 - 00:40:33 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, it was a movie, and now it's a TV show, yeah.

00:40:34 - 00:40:43 | Speaker 1:

But what they decided to do was make MacGruber like a vaccine skeptic, which is revealed throughout the sketch.

00:40:43 - 00:40:47 | Speaker 2:

Actually, that's pretty good. That's what I'm saying, dude. Yeah, yeah.

00:40:47 - 00:40:52 | Speaker 1:

And it was like, it was just, it was very, I'm almost tempted to play. Maybe let's do this.

00:40:52 - 00:40:52 | Speaker 2:

Yeah.

00:40:52 - 00:40:58 | Speaker 1:

Let's finish the donors of the day. I thought of that because you said something about something that. Yeah.

00:40:58 - 00:40:59 | Speaker 2:

Leria sort of sounds like a.

00:41:00 - 00:41:17 | Speaker 1:

Yeah. Reminded me of like Ivermectin or whatever. Anyway, Joe in Leria. Thank you for the support. Also, Valerie and Mike Fish. Hey. Carmichael, California. I was telling you before we recorded this, Andrew, that Valerie is the person who made those sun catchers. That's right. And yeah. For our TBTL.

00:41:17 - 00:41:28 | Speaker 2:

For our TBTL. And she also made some custom sun catchers for us that are very large. And they're based on our old logo, like kind of our, you know, the logo of our faces without too much detail in it.

00:41:28 - 00:41:36 | Speaker 1:

And Genevieve's people really like those logos, which I think speaks to the specifics of our face being not great.

00:41:37 - 00:41:58 | Speaker 2:

That's right. I think Lister and Megan created those years and years and years ago. And they are kind of iconic in our small little world. But anyway, the sun catchers are so big. And I think Genevieve's most popular photo she's ever taken on social media is me holding the sun catcher of my face up over my actual face. And every now and then she calls it up on her phone just to get a laugh.

00:41:58 - 00:42:03 | Speaker 1:

So, thanks for the laughs. Again, the takeaway is our actual face is not great.

00:42:03 - 00:42:04 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, better to be obscured.

00:42:04 - 00:42:17 | Speaker 1:

Putting things in front of our actual face is a big hit. Thank you so much to Valerie and Mike for supporting the show. Also, speaking of mics, Michael Brehm is in Turlock, California.

00:42:17 - 00:42:19 | Speaker 2:

A lot of California. So much California.

00:42:20 - 00:42:37 | Speaker 1:

California knows how to party, Andrew. Indeed it does. California knows how to party in the city of Turlock. How far will Luke take this? That's just to there. That's as far as I'm going to take it. Thanks, Michael. Also, Jennifer Healy is in Sisters, Oregon.

00:42:38 - 00:42:41 | Speaker 2:

That sounds like a band. What's the name of your band? Sisters, Oregon.

00:42:42 - 00:42:50 | Speaker 1:

Yeah. Well, I wonder, are you thinking of that because of the Sisters band that the creator of Patriot is in? Isn't it called the Jones Sisters or something?

00:42:50 - 00:43:01 | Speaker 2:

Oh, there is a – but that's just kind of a convention, though, right? The so-and-so Sisters or no? I don't know. There was just something about that. Sisters, Oregon sounds like a pleasant place, though, for sure. I haven't heard of it.

00:43:01 - 00:43:25 | Speaker 1:

I believe it is. I've driven through there. Okay. In fact, you know, I think the – why do we need this level of specificity? I don't know. Remember the Delica that we rented to drive around the U.S. and then it blew up in the desert? I believe the owner of that Delica has a vacation home in Sisters, Oregon, where they were at the time that I was trying to get in touch with them because the Delica had blown up.

00:43:25 - 00:43:27 | Speaker 2:

Oh, interesting. They're like, stay away from our house.

00:43:27 - 00:43:38 | Speaker 1:

They're like, we're in Sisters, Oregon right now. Please, we will deal with this when we get home. And then Alexandra Jantz is in Kamloops, British Columbia.

00:43:39 - 00:43:43 | Speaker 2:

We have a couple, if not a few, Kamloops listeners.

00:43:43 - 00:43:46 | Speaker 1:

Yeah, Tim, I believe we've got a listener named Tim in Kamloops.

00:43:46 - 00:43:47 | Speaker 2:

Nice memory, exactly.

00:43:48 - 00:44:56 | Speaker 1:

Well, you know, talking about a town like Kamloops, you're going to remember the folks that are living there. So thank you, Alexandra, for supporting the program, checking in from British Columbia. Thanks to all of our donors of the day. We absolutely would not be able to do this thing in well into our mid 80s where we will toast Machine Gun Kelly and Megan Fox 40 years from now. We wouldn't be able to do any of that without your help. So thank you so much. Hello and welcome to Top Story. I don't know if this is going to really pay off. I'm already regretting the decision to try to play this MacGruber sketch. uh just as audio because it's so visual obviously everyone knows what macgyver is and how he was always fixing everything with a you know paperclip um and getting them out of jams and so the whole premise of mcgruber is he's sort of a like he's a he's a hapless macgyver so he's trying to fix things whatever it always explodes and the way they do the sketches it's not like building towards one explosion have you ever actually watched a mcgruber sketch on snl andrew

00:44:57 - 00:45:29 | Speaker 2:

yeah i think back in the day when he was a cast member i think Thank you.

00:45:00 - 00:45:09 | Speaker 4:

I'd seen one before, I think, and I'm not trying to be a party pooper here. I think it was one of those that other people enjoyed a lot more than me.

00:45:11 - 00:45:13 | Speaker 3:

Well, Andrew, you have just pooped on my party.

00:45:14 - 00:45:14 | Speaker 4:

Sorry.

00:45:15 - 00:45:23 | Speaker 3:

And you started the show committing to Judge Nunn and whatever the CO in Jenko is. I've already forgotten it.

00:45:23 - 00:45:27 | Speaker 4:

That's what I was going to say before. You have to tweet it. Otherwise, we're both going to forget it. It's going to come up on the show later.

00:45:27 - 00:45:53 | Speaker 3:

Anyway Because basically what happens is The MacGruber sketches will just be a series of Like one minute countdowns To this bomb exploding and then MacGruber Trying to fix it and then doing something kind of Ineffective and then it blows up But then it sort of starts over again Now they're in a new predicament at a different place So that's kind of like the rhythm of the sketch I don't really know if We can bail on this if it's not working

00:45:53 - 00:46:11 | Speaker 5:

so they are at a federal reserve bank in a control room

00:46:11 - 00:46:20 | Speaker 4:

Damn it, this store has pressure shield. We're not going anywhere. But Groover, if we don't dismantle this C-4 explosive, this whole building is going to blow sky high. 60 seconds.

00:46:20 - 00:46:25 | Speaker 3:

So you've got Kristen Wiig and Ryan Phillippe.

00:46:25 - 00:46:28 | Speaker 4:

Is she also a guest or she's not selling the cast, is she?

00:46:28 - 00:47:29 | Speaker 3:

She is not. In fact, the opening monologue, it was pretty funny. It was like Will Forte talking about how he was on SNL for 12 years and he was with this great cast and he's listening to them. He's like, you know, Bill Hader and Kristen Wiig and and, you know, he names all these people. And then he's like. And so it's been really great to watch Bill host the show and then Kristen host. Yeah. Kristen hosted again. And then John Mulaney, who is only a writer, hosted four times. He's just going through the litany of how everyone who he was working with has now hosted the show multiple times, but not him. And then just as he's sort of, like, settling into his excitement, of course, Kristen Wiig wanders into the back of the stage and gets a huge applause, thus stealing his sunshine. So she was there to kind of help out with a few sketches. And I think Ryan Phillippe is in the actual MacGruber-like TV show and was in the movie. Okay. So they're all masked up, and they're trying to detonate or to take this bomb apart.

00:47:29 - 00:47:42 | Speaker 5:

Don't worry, gang. We can do this if we work together as a team. And look, I know this whole COVID situation has really changed the game, so we gotta be smart about this, okay? We're in a small room with very limited airflow. Good call.

00:47:42 - 00:47:43 | Speaker 4:

Great thinking, MacGruber.

00:47:43 - 00:47:45 | Speaker 5:

Okay, Vicky, pass me that old coffee can.

00:47:45 - 00:47:46 | Speaker 4:

You got it, MacGruber.

00:47:46 - 00:47:54 | Speaker 5:

Piper, that lighter fluid. Coming out to Groob's. Now, both of you, hand me your mask. What? No time to explain masks, now!

00:47:56 - 00:48:02 | Speaker 3:

So he's taking everyone's paper masks and putting them into the coffee can. And lighting it on fire.

00:48:02 - 00:48:06 | Speaker 5:

What are you doing? Freeing us from tyranny, Vic. You're welcome.

00:48:06 - 00:48:08 | Speaker 4:

Well, look, for what? I really wanted to wear that mask.

00:48:08 - 00:48:21 | Speaker 5:

Yeah, you just said yourself that we're in a small enclosed room. Yeah, so we need every drop of oxygen we can get. Which is impossible with these stupid face diapers. I can finally breathe. Hey.

00:48:21 - 00:48:23 | Speaker 4:

I've got to say, I'm a little uncomfortable with this.

00:48:23 - 00:48:26 | Speaker 5:

Don't worry, Vic. I'm vaxxed and relaxed is proof.

00:48:27 - 00:48:32 | Speaker 3:

He hands him a cocktail napkin that he has clearly tried to write that he's vaccinated on.

00:48:34 - 00:49:13 | Speaker 5:

I think there's a P missing at the beginning of Pfizer. Vaccinated at a sizzler? Sure did, Piper. And Vicky, if there was a P in front of Pfizer, it'd be pronounced Puffizer. But nice try. Just admit you're not vaccinated. Okay, fine, you freaking Karens. I'm not getting that stupid shot, all right? Because I don't want the government putting a tracking device in my scrotum. Ew. Gruber, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Yeah, I don't need to know what I'm talking about, Piper, because I have a brain. But since you two sheeple are so freaked out, let me assure you, I'm totally anti-Semitic. Um, sorry, I'm not sure we heard you right. I don't have any symptoms. I think the word you're looking for is asymptomatic. Yeah, that's what I said.

00:49:13 - 00:49:14 | Speaker 4:

No, it's not.

00:49:15 - 00:49:19 | Speaker 5:

No, I definitely said I'm anti-Semitic. Yeah, you did. So what's the issue here?

00:49:19 - 00:49:20 | Speaker 4:

McGruber, 10 seconds.

00:49:21 - 00:49:27 | Speaker 5:

Look, we may not all agree on this hoax vaccine, But one thing we can all agree on is that I do know how to defuse bombs.

00:49:27 - 00:49:30 | Speaker 4:

One second, MacGruber. Okay, Piper, hand me.

00:49:31 - 00:49:35 | Speaker 3:

By the end of the sketch, he's dressed fully as the January 6th shaman.

00:49:37 - 00:49:40 | Speaker 4:

Wait, how is he? How is he?

00:49:40 - 00:50:29 | Speaker 3:

Like, he has, like, you know, the Native American headdress on. And he is, you know, he's, like, shirtless. And, like, again, it probably doesn't quite work as audio. But what I found so rewarding about this was they actually really nail the actual things I've heard people, some in my own distant family, say about this stuff. right like there's something that's kind of therapeutic about seeing comedy around this stuff because so much of it is so stressful when people are actually saying like oh i've done my research or you're being a sheeple or this hoax vax you know what i mean like all this stuff that's it's it's so it like freaks me out so much when i hear someone say it like particularly if there's somebody i'm you know close with him doing it as a joke somehow was very funny and also relieving to me i don't know why the comedy of it was kind of just like i said kind of cathartic well

00:50:29 - 00:50:51 | Speaker 2:

Well, do you want to go back? I mean, it's funny. We're going to burn up everything that I should talk about on After These Messages. But these also, you're the one who introduced me to all of these. I didn't know about the kayak commercial. And you had this on the show sheet at one point last week, and we never got to it. So maybe it's time to play this, because this is really fascinating. You sent this to me on my phone the other day. I still haven't seen it in the while.

00:50:51 - 00:50:52 | Speaker 3:

Do you have it? Can you play it for me?

00:50:52 - 00:51:11 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, I have it here. Do you want to set it up? Because I only watched it once on my phone last week. But it looks like it's a little family dinner. But it's outside somewhere right It's in a beautiful vacation-y spot They're outside And they're sitting down to dinner So I assume it's a young couple with their parents Or is it just two couples do you recall

00:51:11 - 00:51:31 | Speaker 3:

No I think it's what it is And I just saw this in the wild Like this wasn't a thing where there was an article about it And I clicked on the link I was just watching TV Probably all in with Chris Hayes And this came on And it's basically like a boyfriend And his girlfriend and they are at the girlfriend's parents' house for dinner.

00:51:31 - 00:51:32 | Speaker 2:

Okay, so these are the parents.

00:51:32 - 00:51:41 | Speaker 3:

And the girlfriend reminds the boyfriend that the mom is a kayak denier. Of course, kayak is the website that looks for travel deals for people or whatever.

00:51:41 - 00:51:42 | Speaker 2:

Here we go.

00:51:43 - 00:52:11 | Speaker 1:

Remember, mom is a kayak denier, so please don't bring it up. Bring what up? Kayak? Excuse me? Do the research, Todd. Listen to me. Kayak searches hundreds of travel sites to find you great deals on flights, cars, and hotels. They're lying to you. Who's they? Kayak? Open your eyes. Compare hundreds of travel sites at once. Kayak. Search one and done.

00:52:11 - 00:52:15 | Speaker 3:

That is a lot of plot for 30 seconds.

00:52:15 - 00:52:50 | Speaker 2:

I know. The kayak denier, the mom, does a really good job, I think. There's something about her not moving her face when she talks that is interesting. And there's almost a there's almost a white lotus vibe to this, maybe because of the setting or something and the ominous music behind it. But like, well, you sent it to me and we haven't really talked about it. But I mean, it's just it's kind of I guess my initial reaction was it's refreshing just to see mainstream culture just openly just kind of openly mock and dismiss this insanity that we're seeing.

00:52:51 - 00:53:27 | Speaker 3:

I agree. Like my thought was, well, Kayak has planted their flag. Like, yeah, like it made me think, well, if I'm going to use a service like that, I'm probably going to use that service now because they you know, they have decided at a corporate level that we're not going to put up with this BS and we're actually going to parody it. And of course, you know, if the Tucker Carlson's of the world decide to, you know, push back on it or try to lead some boycott of kayak, they're just obviously they're they're like, well, that's we're OK with that or we're ready for that or whatever. you know like it's it seems to me to be sort of rare that corporations really take that kind of

00:53:27 - 00:54:59 | Speaker 2:

stand yeah exactly because obviously they want to sell the most of their thing to the most people you know yeah and there's something um and again there's something kind of normalizing about it it just makes you sort of i know it sounds i know it oh man i just sound like such a you know snowflake at the very least but like just a big part of living in modern america and believing and facts the past, I don't know, you know, five, six, seven years has been the sort of gaslighting part of it, right? It just sort of feels like, in fact, you and I, I won't get into it now, but I just had to like kind of like kind of emotionally dump on you before the show. No, that's not the words that I was looking for. I needed to get something off my chest. It's about Aaron Rodgers before losing the playoff game. Just like openly like spewing like false information about CDC tests. Like he's going full Joe Rogan. Like, he's just saying things that are fundamentally untrue about the vaccination now. And it's just like he's just he's just and I didn't feel like that story got much play. And I just sort of was battling him in my head all day, just being like, are we just going to allow this? We're just going to, like, let Aaron Rodgers add to the confusion that I know that people in my family that I've had conversations with are kind of like, well, I'm just confused. I don't know who to believe anymore. It's like, well, and then we just have like people like Aaron Rodgers just like mixing up the pot. Like, well, let's start with this. don't believe Aaron Rodgers you know like it's just so so frustrating and again it has it all has this feeling of being kind of gas lit and so just sort of seeing this commercial that doesn't

00:55:00 - 00:55:14 | Speaker 3:

It's not like a commercial for – it's just a commercial for kayak. You know what I mean? There's something so casually dismissive about this and also just funny and well done that I love. It gives me – I never thought I'd feel hope from a kayak commercial. I don't even know what this hope is.

00:55:15 - 00:57:09 | Speaker 2:

But, well, I mean, again, you said it. I sort of said it. Like I think it's so stressful to feel like gravity doesn't apply anymore to the world. Like in the 80s, it felt like you had the, you know, people would disagree on how to, you know, sort of approach a certain taxation or whether or not to get involved in a foreign war or whatever. But there were an agreed upon set of basic facts. It doesn't mean people didn't exaggerate. It didn't mean that, you know, people didn't try to mislead the people, the public. But I mean, like the reason that Richard Nixon had to resign was because the Republicans were walking over to the White House to say, you got to resign, dude. That would just never happen anymore. And this feeling that there's just no gravity that like no lie that Aaron Rodgers says or Joe Rogan or the former president will ever really actually sort of they'll never be held accountable for that. Because there's a bunch of people who've decided their sort of emotional feelings around wanting it to be true, wanting it to be a pandemic or wanting Tony Fauci to be a bad guy or wanting the vaccine to cause myocarditis. That's their big buzzword now they're really obsessed with, which is like some kind of heart problem that, by the way, people get more from having gotten COVID than they get from the vaccine. Right. So, like, yeah, there's like some incidents of myocarditis if you get the vaccine, but it's much higher if you get covid that you get myocarditis. But anyway, just the feeling that, like, there's no gravity anymore and it just it just sucks. And so when even a TV commercial like is like, we're just going to say what's we're going to in using comedy, we're just going to basically say that there is gravity. Like, you'll take it where you can get it at this point, basically.

00:57:09 - 00:57:36 | Speaker 3:

Exactly. This takes us. Oh, sorry. I know that we're probably going to transition into some more commercial talk. But just one aside here. For weeks now, and I do not know why. You know, I just played this kayak commercial for you off of YouTube. For weeks now, YouTube has been suggesting that I watch a video called Step by Step Guide to a Perfect Beef Wellington. And I don't know why. I've never had Beef Wellington.

00:57:36 - 00:57:38 | Speaker 2:

Were you Googling perfect beef Wellington recently?

00:57:38 - 00:57:53 | Speaker 3:

I promise you I was not. I was looking up some recipes the other day, but nothing near beef Wellington, I can guarantee you that. I don't think I've ever had beef Wellington before. The photo here is very appealing. Look, I didn't – I guess – do you know what beef Wellington is? It looks like a –

00:57:53 - 00:58:03 | Speaker 2:

Isn't beef Wellington like wrapped – it's like beef wrapped in a – like a kind of a – what would you call it? Not a croissant, but some kind of breading kind of thing?

00:58:03 - 00:58:21 | Speaker 3:

That's what it looks like, some sort of a bread or breading, and it looks like it's a tenderloin. And this is from Chef Jean-Pierre. And so if you don't mind, let's just clear – can we just clear the decks on this? The video is only – it's only 38 minutes long, okay? So if we can – so that will take – and then we can talk about M&Ms in about 38 minutes, okay?

00:58:21 - 00:58:39 | Speaker 1:

Well, hello there, friends. Beef Willington, you've been asking me. Here it is. Stay tuned. I'm going to show you exactly how to make it, friends. You can do this one. Remember, thumbs up if you like the video. Don't forget to subscribe to the channel and ring that bell. Stay tuned. We're going to make it together. I don't even know how you ring the bell, but I got one.

00:58:40 - 00:58:42 | Speaker 3:

I got to say, it looks pretty good.

00:58:42 - 00:58:47 | Speaker 2:

It's bigger than I thought, but I've never been eating a steak thinking, God, I wish this was wrapped in a croissant.

00:58:48 - 00:59:00 | Speaker 3:

Yeah. Well, this is it feels like it's more of a more of a roast, like a like a beef roast style. It's like a tenderloin, less of a steak. But it is it is an interesting look. Anyway, thank you for indulging me.

00:59:00 - 00:59:59 | Speaker 2:

Sure. Glad that we were able to get that off the books for you in the world of commercials. Yeah. Or I guess. Yeah. Commercials. Are these M&M's characters? I mean, they're in commercials, but it's like M&M's. The Mars Company would have us believe that they're they're more than commercials. They're, you know, they're pop culture characters that we all look to for our for our guidance in this life. Like I guess I just haven't been tracking The comings and goings of the M&M's mascots Closely enough But it turns out The two of the mascots Formerly known as Miss Green and Miss Brown Were considered to be female M&M's One of them had high heels on And I guess there were some commercials Where they were being catty towards each other And M&M's has announced that I mean actually they're changing all of them All of the mascots I guess I'm focusing on the makeover of the female Eminem characters, but one of them is going to have tennis shoes on now.

01:00:00 - 01:01:31 | Speaker 1:

of them who's like the corporate m&m she's gonna have uh shoes on that are heels but not crazy high heels like i guess she had been wearing um also one had go-go boots i believe is now going to be oh i see right and they're what they're saying is um uh the they will mrs ms green and ms brown um who again will not have this title anymore so what the group to less to emphasize gender less So the green M&M and the brown M&M, who we now no longer will talk about their gender, I guess, or they won't, they will team up as a force supporting women together, throwing shine and not shade, Andrew, according to the announcement. um the other thing i thought was kind of uh interesting was the uh let's see the other the uh they're gonna change let's see oh sorry i printed out on the wrong side of this thing uh the red m&m who was uh kind of the alpha candy i guess of the group is going to become more of a team who's shown bullying tendencies i believe was what i read oh okay they say red Will share the limelight with the additional Cast allowing each character to shine as Their own star and then orange The orange Eminem who I guess was sort of Presented as somewhat anxious Orange is One of the most relatable characters with Gen Z Which is also the most Anxious generation that's what they That's what Eminem's that's what Mars put in their Release I'm reading this calling out Gen Z

01:01:31 - 01:04:17 | Speaker 2:

I'm reading from CBS News here the orange Eminem who has an anxious personality will Embrace his true self worries and all but But the origin and but the orange M&M shoelaces will now be tied to represent his cautious nature. According to Mars, orange M&M is one of the most relatable characters with Gen Z, which is the most anxious generation. And it goes on from there. Now, I was hot to trot on the story last Friday. I think you sent it to me in the show sheet and I think we didn't have time for it. Maybe I think it was Friday, maybe Thursday. Anyway, I got to say, then I totally kind of just kind of faded in the background this weekend. But my whole point when I first read this and it was like kind of a fresher story and we didn't see the reaction yet was and I was talking to Genevieve about it before work the other day. Like, like if you want to make changes to I actually don't think all of these changes are that bad, but like they're just like, let's just call them cartoon characters, whatever they are. They're cartoon characters, mascots in your commercials. Like you can make all of these changes. you can make them subtly you can do it over the course of time you can sometimes have one of the M&Ms wear go-go boots and sometimes wear sneakers and I guarantee you not many people are going to notice at all right and you can tie one of the characters shoelaces and even even in the even if any of this bullshit is true but if in the back of your marketing plan because like I do understand that like kind of marketing especially at the such a grand level as this like you're not just supposed to throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks you're supposed to be some sort of a guiding principle you know and i've sat through rebranding meetings and you know even rebranding meetings that i'm a part of sometimes you're just like oh you've got to be kidding me like oh like are you just really that's why you decided to make that red it's not just because it looks good next to blue like whatever but there is some i do believe in some of it there's some method to the madness and that you're just not throwing but if you want to mess around with these ideas just put them in the commercial like the next commercial that you draw or whatever you do these days exactly tie the damn shoes and just see if that has an effect but like to me I was telling these I'm like trolling is too strong of a word but like M&M's no or Mars candy or whatever knows what they're doing here right they're kind of just doing this in the same way the New York Times will release some like seemingly like tone deaf op ed that is just going to anger one generation or the other or it's going to or they're going to do like some op-ed about or they're going to do some sort of a wedding a focus on a wedding for some rich obnoxious couple just because they know that people are going to get mad about this and send angry tweets at the New York Times and everybody's going to buzz about it like Mars is doing that right they're doing this because they know it sounds ridiculous and then they got what they wanted

01:04:17 - 01:05:36 | Speaker 1:

which is Tucker Carlson like doing a whole segment on it right like they just owned everybody I guess I mean that's that's next level if they were hoping to get negative reactions from Tucker Carlson and you might be right maybe they're that savvy I just thought what they were doing was they were trying to get some sort of positive media about you know sort of updating these characters to reflect more how we sort of should talk about, you know, people and each other and the idea that the female characters don't have to be wearing go-go boots, etc. I mean, it all kind of makes sense. Like you said, they're not necessarily bad changes, but I think they were just trying to get. some sort of earned media on it um you know because you're right they're not they're not locked in a um ironclad contract with these cartoon characters yeah like god we would love to take the go-go boots off of the green m&m but um or the whatever m&m but uh we signed an iron clad deal with her so we've got to just ride this out and then we'll re-examine this in in two years when the contract like they can do anything they want and if they really cared about this they would just do it subtly and quietly um like you said now also this is very much my guess is the next time we see these characters will be the super bowl right like this is teeing up a super

01:05:36 - 01:07:16 | Speaker 2:

bowl ad yeah yeah that's smart yeah i hadn't really thought about it in that context um i think i thought about this just from like working at cairo radio for a while luke and of course you and i worked on the same show together and you were hosting and i was producing and i'd come in and put together show sheets every day like okay and i just like even with that i'm thinking like okay i felt like they hit a home run with the tucker carlson thing on the national level but also i just know from having to fill a news wheel that like producers all over the all over the let's call it political spectrum although it's interesting to talk about m&m characters in the political spectrum but like whatever like kind of the take of your show is this is somebody's d segment or d2 segment you know what i mean like every talk show producer who's doing some sort am or or you know cairo news wheel style thing with opinion is like hey let's give this one to the hosts to bat around a little bit you know what i mean and it can either be outrage from the conservative dory monson's of just kind of like we can't let women m&ms be women m&ms anymore you know or cynics like me just saying ah this is all just like you know calculated like to grow like it's just such easy just such an easy topic to slot in especially if you make the press release ridiculous you're right maybe i'm giving them too much credit maybe they just thought hey we're just really speaking to the snowflakes here and so therefore everybody's going to really appreciate the fact that we're going to let the red m&m tie his shoes and embrace his anxiety but i i just i it just reads like an onion article and i just felt like they were kind of knowing that they were going to get outrage and that the outrage was going to be more ridiculous than the

01:07:16 - 01:08:57 | Speaker 1:

changes i don't uh it's possible again i mean we have lots of listeners who probably work in the pr industry so i don't want to or do you know uh what's the term they don't call it pr anymore but you know messaging for companies or whatever lord knows you and i'll probably both be doing that at some point the sort of the in our like 90s when we've stopped we'll stop doing the show in our 80s and then we'll move into doing pr there's always that moment where you see those loki b when there's always that moment where you see the person who used to be a reporter a local reporter on tv but now they're the spokesperson for the airport like and you know and again peace and love like you're all got to just kind of like make a living and you know have a work-life balance and again it's it's not out it is outside the realm of possibility because nobody would hire me to do their pr but definitely there is that moment where a lot of people that have worked on this side of the journalism move over to the kind of trying to craft messages uh for a particular like governmental agency or or you know product um so i want to be respectful to the work that those people are doing i would be personally surprised if the mars because i've actually dealt with the mars pr people do you know this andrew because i did a story about fun sized candy bars oh yeah right and i went to the factory in chicago where they make them and i sat in a room with like 30 people i only knew like two of them what they were there for but the other 28 were like pr people for mars and they seemed perfectly nice but they did not strike me as people who were playing three-dimensional chess enough to know that they could get tucker carlson

01:08:57 - 01:10:26 | Speaker 2:

mad yeah maybe and just for the record too if any in case not that this as an issue really matters but again like i'm kind of not against some of the desexualization or just some of those outward things and like i actually think that like again you could have just done it in a subtle way i'm just focusing on the um on the press release here and sort of you know just trying to trying to figure out what what was actually going on with this kind of ridiculous announcement but um it's interesting and i also i'm kind of like they i'm making it too complicated now but it just could have been like it just could have been like contextual how they dress these things you know i mean i also like for whatever it's worth it's such a weird why am i going on about this i apologize um but like there could be a commercial where it's it makes sense or just on a whim like to give one of the m&ms the the the nice eyelashes the makeup eyelashes and the heels why not there's also nothing wrong with sometimes wearing makeup a lot of people like to wear makeup too sometimes You know what I mean But Does it every female character that's a cartoon have to be indicated through makeup and heels? No, I don't think that's the case either. And that is where I think, you know, you run into issues of, like, kind of programming kids to be, even if you live in a house where you think that you're above gender norms. I mean, we're just being fed it constantly. Did I tell you when I was in Hawaii? What a snowflake moment I had, man, because I just had – we were eating at Burger King at the airport, just like you should. Burger King is the perfect airport.

01:10:26 - 01:10:39 | Speaker 3:

I was eating at the Burger King at the – Oh, by the way, we don't call it McCarran Airport anymore. It's Harry Reid Airport because I guess McCarran was bad. Oh, okay. Somebody emailed me about that. I was eating at the Burger King at the Harry Reid Airport. We had the whole ice incident.

01:10:40 - 01:10:46 | Speaker 2:

Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. So our timing was a little bit off. I like the idea of us both. Well, we would not have both been eating a hamburger.

01:10:47 - 01:10:48 | Speaker 3:

Wishing on the same Burger King movie.

01:10:49 - 01:11:42 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly. But anyway, what I was going to say was, and again, I'm pointing this out sort of because I believe my feelings on this, but I also think I am a ridiculous person and I'm so sheltered but Genevieve got the kids a meal because she just didn't want much and we're ordering from a kiosk thing and so at the kiosk she had to choose what kind of toy did she want a boy's toy or a girl's toy and I was like excuse my language but fuck you toys don't have to be for boys or girls just like and you know what the boy's toy was a batman figurine why can't a girl enjoy a batman figurine like but instead we have to like have our parents say to the kid do you want a boy toy or a girl toy and the girl has to say I want a boy toy if she wants to play with batman And, like, I know that, like, this must be for 99% of the people listening. They're like, yeah, where have you been? This is, of course, like, we have kids. This is just the way it is. But me, little, like, childless snowflake over here, I was, like, quite offended by that.

01:11:43 - 01:11:50 | Speaker 3:

I wonder if, because, I mean, they could just have, if you're poking a button on a kiosk, I could just say, which toy do you want? I don't think, yeah, they don't, I don't think they need that category.

01:11:51 - 01:12:15 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, it was just like, and again, like, anyway. So all of all of that is to say, yeah, I don't think it's great that, you know, if you're a little corporate mascot thing and it's, you know, the the the female M&Ms are always dolled up in a sexualized way. Sure. Yeah, you can tamp that down a little bit. I just thought the press release was over the top and my assumption was purposely so. But maybe I'm just off on that.

01:12:15 - 01:13:24 | Speaker 3:

No, I mean, I definitely agree with you that if this was an actual good faith thing that they were doing, if they really like if somebody there, like if Mr. Mars, the seventh, the seventh great grandchild of whoever the original Mars was, again, I've only done a television story about this company. you think i would know if somebody woke up in the morning and was like you know what yeah let's not send this message out to the people and the children of the world um that has to be so kind of along these gender lines if they woke up one morning and had that thought and then said let's make some changes that would be awesome but i don't think that's what happened i think that i think they definitely saw a chance for some earned media meaning a chance to be in the news cycle they also probably saw it as getting ahead of pushback like we should fix this before Somebody calls us out And but I don't think it's coming I don't think it's coming from a place of anyone there Actually thinking this is what needs to be changed I think it's much more Cynical than that potentially Is would it be cynical if today's Show title was let's go rebranding Is that a bad show title

01:13:24 - 01:13:36 | Speaker 2:

No it's gotta be No we can't not You've you've honored it You've uttered it. It may be the best one ever.

01:13:37 - 01:13:42 | Speaker 3:

We're taking that back. Can we take that back? Let's go. Let's go.

01:13:42 - 01:13:44 | Speaker 2:

Oh, God. Free branded.

01:13:45 - 01:13:48 | Speaker 3:

You could also use that on after these messages if you need to.

01:13:48 - 01:13:49 | Unknown:

That's so good.

01:13:50 - 01:13:51 | Speaker 3:

I'm glad that made you laugh.

01:13:52 - 01:14:00 | Speaker 1:

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. No, man. It's not from a female.

01:14:00 - 01:14:15 | Speaker 2:

Are you still laughing about that? There wasn't a real break there because, yeah, I still can't get over the show title. No, it's perfect. It's absolutely perfect. Honestly, you asked if we should do this show into our 80s. No, I think we need to retire while we're on top. That's fine. This is the last show. I got a busy week.

01:14:15 - 01:14:17 | Speaker 3:

It would get me out of a couple jams if this was the last show.

01:14:18 - 01:14:22 | Speaker 2:

I know I saw some interesting emails come in, but unfortunately, I don't have them in front of me right now.

01:14:22 - 01:14:28 | Speaker 3:

Oh, because you don't have an hour to re-log in to freaking GoDaddy?

01:14:28 - 01:14:37 | Speaker 2:

It's more like StopDaddy. Okay, sorry, I'm high off. I got bold based on your good joke.

01:14:37 - 01:15:00 | Speaker 3:

I'm glad that, I mean, I'm not glad that it's a pain in your arse, but I feel seen that you also, every time you log into this, you tell Microsoft to don't show this again. I'm clicking, as we're talking, Andrew, Luke at tbtl.net, stay signed in, do this to reduce the number of times you're asked to sign in. And then I'm going to say, okay, yes, let's.

01:15:00 - 01:15:09 | Speaker 1:

do that and also don't show this message again and then an hour from now when i log back in it will absolutely make me do it that all again exactly it doesn't remember anything and i don't

01:15:09 - 01:15:29 | Speaker 2:

know if it was just me i could maybe oh i'm getting another scam likely call it's just constant luke but um yeah i i don't understand what's good and then often you're while it'll take a moment to think while it opens up opens up the web page and then it'll just take you to a dead end do you ever get that like you have to refresh the browser just to get to the email or is that on my end yeah

01:15:29 - 01:15:34 | Speaker 1:

that's happened to me it's a yeah there's a lot going on here all right i just i want to um play

01:15:34 - 01:15:43 | Speaker 2:

a few voicemails for you here they're all um uh cute and short this first one i don't know who this is from but this is just somebody who's very very happy because they're getting married

01:15:43 - 01:16:06 | Speaker 3:

i'm getting married in two weeks and i'm having a lot of anxiety i just need to like put that somewhere um two weeks uh anyways uh thank you guys i am i haven't been purposefully saving them I've just been behind on podcasts, but I've got, like, a month and a half of CBCL to listen to, and I'm very excited to listen to it while I do many arts and crafts for my wedding. So, ah!

01:16:08 - 01:16:16 | Speaker 2:

Congratulations. I didn't catch all of that, but it sounds like it's in two weeks now. Getting married in two weeks, a lot of anxiety.

01:16:16 - 01:16:20 | Speaker 1:

Now, do you see a time stamp on the voicemail? Is that recent?

01:16:20 - 01:16:22 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, I just pulled that today.

01:16:22 - 01:16:28 | Speaker 1:

So that person's not, like, married. That's not from two years ago, and then they've been married, and they've, you know.

01:16:28 - 01:16:32 | Speaker 2:

I'm not – I know what you were going to say.

01:16:33 - 01:16:41 | Speaker 1:

And then I stopped myself, Andrew, because, of course, we're only wishing good things for everybody, including Machine Gun Kelly. Was that Megan Fox, possibly?

01:16:41 - 01:16:49 | Speaker 2:

That's exactly what I was going to say. I don't see when it came in, but I do see that it's coming in from a Megan Fox area code. No, pardon me for the death rattle that you just heard through the microphone.

01:16:49 - 01:16:52 | Speaker 1:

Megan Fox area code would also be a decent show.

01:16:52 - 01:16:52 | Speaker 2:

No way.

01:16:52 - 01:17:04 | Speaker 1:

Probably get some clicks. I mean, we really do not owe our S.E. on this show at all. No, we don't. Like, who knows? Well, maybe let's go rebrand and we'll get some clicks.

01:17:04 - 01:17:06 | Speaker 2:

That'll get some new listeners.

01:17:06 - 01:17:22 | Speaker 1:

If we were more serious about this job, every show title would just be like Left Shark. It would be like, you know what I mean? It would be like whatever. What's popping off? By the way, how sad is it that that was the most viral thing I could think of?

01:17:22 - 01:17:25 | Speaker 2:

You mean it's ours staying up to date

01:17:25 - 01:17:40 | Speaker 1:

Yes That was the best I had on this Monday Was Left Shark Like a thing from five years ago Like so sad But yeah we would be naming the show Something that was just deeply clickable And we don't do that

01:17:40 - 01:18:24 | Speaker 2:

I don't know if you'd be surprised To know this or not but honestly The Left Shark thing was probably one of my Favorite Viral moments Like for whatever viral moments are But again, to use, like, let's say the Machine Gun Kelly and Megan Fox example, like, I just sort of always stay on the sidelines for that stuff. Not that I was, like, integral in the Left Shark viralness, but, like, I just really enjoyed that. I thought Katy Perry's – that's probably still my favorite half. And I know, like, Prince did an iconic halftime performance. But I still think that Katy Perry's halftime performance is my favorite Because it was just great showmanship But then also the weirdness of Left Shark I find the whole thing unironically delightful

01:18:24 - 01:18:34 | Speaker 1:

I kind of thought that I like heard about it I didn't watch Or I wasn't paying close attention to the halftime show

01:18:34 - 01:18:40 | Speaker 2:

Oh, I don't remember Was this one of the Seahawks I think it might have been one of the Seahawks

01:18:40 - 01:19:05 | Speaker 1:

bowls oh okay well then i probably really wasn't paying attention at halftime i was probably off refilling my drink or something but i heard about it later and oh left shark and then i watch it and i think my take on it was it left shark was not as out of sync as i expected it to be okay like because i was expecting it to be like horrifically out of time with the rest of the dance and i was like you know it's not i i just thought i thought left shark kind of got a raw deal because i thought

01:19:05 - 01:19:21 | Speaker 2:

left shark really didn't do the worst job oh i think left shark was loving it has left shark ever i still have two more quick voicemails i want to play for you but it was the um it was the 2015 super bowl i was gonna say has left shark ever been unmasked by the way just to uh finish that

01:19:21 - 01:19:46 | Speaker 1:

thought um i i hope not i want the mystery to be which is shocking because there you you would guess and let i wonder if if left shark signed an nda or something um as being part of for being part of the performance because there's a you know there's a tidy buck in being left shark and writing the book about being left shark and going making the rounds going on ellen doing your cameo as we were talking about last week like there's somebody whoever is left shark could make some

01:19:46 - 01:19:58 | Speaker 2:

dough on having been left shark yeah i'd read that biography oh yeah so it was the patriot seahawks just crushing loss uh i didn't see how that game ended actually oh yeah i've taped to prove other

01:19:58 - 01:20:00 | Speaker 1:

That doesn't look like anything to you.

01:20:00 - 01:20:12 | Speaker 2:

Hey, Luke. Why is everybody so sad? Why is everybody so sad? I have another voicemail to play for you here. This is also delightful. This is from listener Amanda.

01:20:12 - 01:21:26 | Speaker 3:

Hi, friendos. This is Amanda in Buckley. Andrew had been talking about nostalgia, and you guys immediately transported me. You mentioned offhand Herb Weisbob, because you were talking about somebody else. And I was immediately transported to my childhood when my sister and I would wait for Herb Weisbaum to show up on the news. It was the only time that you wanted to watch the news. And it was when Herb Weisbaum, I keep saying his name, but I can't say it right, I don't think. When he would show you before Christmas the upcoming toys that all the kids would want for Christmas. And I remember we would sit with bated breath waiting for this part of the news so that we could go to the Sears toy catalog and circle these things and make our Christmas list. And this is, like, I seriously have goosebumps. Isn't that crazy? But this is probably one of the best little memory triggers that you guys have ever given me. Thank you all so much.

01:21:27 - 01:21:31 | Speaker 2:

I love that. So that's a tradition and a memory that you have, too, Luke?

01:21:31 - 01:23:21 | Speaker 1:

Oh, absolutely. It was a huge thing when Herb would do his toy reviews. And in fact, he would go back to New York. So he would be on, you know, video link from – and then he did it for the Today Show for many years. Oh. Maybe not the Today Show. One of the big, you know, national morning news programs. He was kind of their go-to toy reviewer. And I had forgotten that this was even a thing until I watched that Beanie Babies documentary and they were showing it wasn't Herb. It was maybe Herb's competitor, who, by the way, was not as good as her. But they were showing someone doing a toy review on like, I don't know, CNN or something like that. And and it was this person was mentioning there's this thing called Beanie Babies that people are going crazy for. We don't know why they don't sell in major stores or whatever. So that was just evidence of the rise of Beanie Bay But what it reminded me of was Yeah, it was a whole thing Back in the day And the funny part is Do you know like the person The most well-paid YouTuber Is this like 11-year-old kid Who just plays with toys Do you know this whole story? It sort of rings a bell I don't think I know the details It is shocking the amount of money That this kid I don't know the kid's name off the top of my head But I've read multiple articles about him and his family now you know he's there's basically i guess my point is nowadays i guess if you're a kid and you want to find out about toys you might go on youtube and what you are likely to see is someone your age playing with toys but back in the day it was like a guy in his 50s and it wasn't just herb it was like there was a whole um you know kind of circuit of reporters who would do these toy reviews but again they were never children they're always adults you know middle-aged adults talking about the new whatever toy. And I just forgot that that was even a thing until I saw that Beanie Babies doc.

01:23:21 - 01:24:14 | Speaker 2:

I can't remember anything like that from my childhood as far as like the TV thing. I feel like most of the excitement I had for toys was just from the toy commercials that would air during like watching cartoons or something. Like the ones that, I'm trying to think, there were some that I coveted. Now I got a lot of the shit that I wanted because I was spoiled, as I always like to point out. But I think there was an intense game. In fact, this came up at one point after these messages in the not-too-distant past. What was it? Crossfire. Do you remember the game Crossfire? Do you remember the commercials for the game Crossfire? It seemed like the most badass game to play. It was like some sort of a board on the ground or some sort of a plastic thing on the ground, and you and your friend each had something with a trigger on it, and you were shooting past each other.

01:24:14 - 01:24:54 | Speaker 1:

the commercial just i wanted that so bad yeah i was always very let down when i would get the toy and then i wouldn't have the sound stage that they were playing with the toy on yeah because i was really into like gi joe and it'd be like the gi joe commercial this kid has got like the most badass backdrop for playing with you know his gi joe toys so it's got like a he's got a swamp and there's the helicopters flying in and there's like and it's like and then i'd get you know i would finagle this toy somehow and then i just be in my bedroom and just be like on the bed and i'd be like this is not as cool as the commercial but one thing that i loved and

01:24:54 - 01:24:59 | Speaker 2:

and i actually did do like a medium dive on this um a while back

01:24:59 - 01:25:29 | Unknown:

Thank you.

01:25:00 - 01:25:38 | Speaker 2:

is at some point they stopped making toy commercials for, like, action figures and that type of thing where you see the kids with their hands making the dolls move around and doing the voice for them. Like, growing up, it was like, take that, Cobra Commander! And you, like, just see the kid making the toy move around. And it's like, that's how I played with them. But now they're all, like, either animated so they look like a Marvel movie or whatever. And it's just like, you know, you don't actually see the kids playing anymore. Right, the kid being like, I'll get you, Joe. Right, exactly. Take that, Destro. Exactly. Here, just a quick listen to this.

01:25:39 - 01:25:41 | Speaker 1:

It's sometime in the future.

01:25:41 - 01:25:49 | Speaker 2:

The ultimate challenge. Crossfire. Crossfire.

01:25:49 - 01:25:50 | Speaker 1:

You can conquer.

01:25:51 - 01:25:58 | Unknown:

Crossfire. Crossfire. You can conquer. Crossfire.

01:26:00 - 01:26:14 | Speaker 3:

is that ronnie james dio i want the oral history on the set on the the session band that wrote the

01:26:14 - 01:26:21 | Speaker 2:

crossfire commercial song if that's not already a mail magazine article i guarantee you it is in

01:26:21 - 01:26:26 | Speaker 3:

the works but yeah i remember i mean that is so well that is intense soulful singing

01:26:26 - 01:26:27 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, it is. And I can't tell.

01:26:27 - 01:26:29 | Speaker 3:

You can cross fire.

01:26:30 - 01:26:45 | Speaker 2:

And so it's like some sort of a, you're shooting little, on the play surface, you're shooting little metal. They look like ball bearings almost. And they're hitting something that's in the middle that's kind of spinning around. And you've got to eventually, it looks like it's kind of like air hockey with ball bearings.

01:26:46 - 01:26:49 | Speaker 3:

I can buy you one on eBay. It's only $124.99, Andrew.

01:26:49 - 01:27:29 | Speaker 2:

Well, buy it for yourself and I'll just play it when I come over. Oh, yeah. Okay. One more. Okay. Do you have time for one quickie here because I just want to wrap up the saga of the 20 with this voicemail from Danny, and then I'll give you what I know about this because I did some research on it this weekend. But I got so many texts, emails, V-mails from people saying, no, no, no, we all remember – I did get one from Dory Monson who said, I do remember the 20, which was the kind of pre-show consumer-tainment package of commercials or whatever that would air before movies in the early 2000s. What's up, fellas?

01:27:29 - 01:28:29 | Speaker 1:

This is the listener Danny in New York checking in. I just listened to the Commonwealth Gay's voicemail regarding the 20. Yes. That is something that also lives large in my memory from when I was a kid growing up in Wilmington, Delaware, which is right outside of Philly, It was the 20 minutes before movies that played at Regal Cinema. I can tell you exactly where that theater was because I spent so much time there when I was a kid. And at the end, they go, missed something? Get here sooner so that you don't miss any part of the 20. And I remember my dad would always go, why would I get here early and watch commercials? That's dumb. So that's my very fond memory. And then, of course, you would get on, like, the rollercoaster on film strips, which would always follow the 20 and precede the movie and the trailers. So there you go. It's real. Might have been a Northeast thing. I don't know.

01:28:29 - 01:28:50 | Speaker 2:

No, it wasn't. So actually, I included a link to that rollercoaster video. Do you remember that? You go to the movies, and again, this was a Regal thing, and it was like, buy concessions, and it was showing off, like, the raisinets and the popcorn. but it seemed like you were in a roller coaster that was riding a track made of film. Do you remember that? I am realizing something. You've never gotten to a movie early in your life.

01:28:51 - 01:29:02 | Speaker 3:

No, no. And this is, I think there was a period of time you're talking about, I think for about a decade, I literally never went to a movie theater that wasn't an independent theater.

01:29:02 - 01:29:03 | Speaker 2:

Yeah, I can see that too, yeah.

01:29:03 - 01:29:43 | Speaker 3:

Like, because I would think, like, I just would never, maybe to see a movie that Addie wanted to see, like a Harry Potter film or something. But I just live And this sounds like I'm trying to act like I was all high minded I really wasn't But just like I've never been a popcorn movie type person Like I've never I never go see like you and Genevieve McCollum popcorn movies It's just not Historically it's not been my thing What I was always into though And it would depend on like who I was dating or whatever But it would be like Oh the whatever is coming to the Harvard exit The you know Or the Metro Theater or whatever It was always seeing these movies that were not playing at big chain movie theaters And so I think that there's just a huge blind spot for me now.

01:29:43 - 01:30:33 | Speaker 2:

Yeah. And that's interesting because I was very much like you and Genevieve really changed me in that way. Like no joke. Like at first when we were first dating, because I did have like more kind of somewhat snobby sensibilities, even though she's way smarter and more worldly than me. I liked kind of weirder, more indie. kind of movies and maybe to a degree music and she loves she likes all movies you know what I mean like she also loves the experience of going and just seeing a blockbuster film which is not something that I did a lot of and I think we would sort of tease each other a little bit in our early days of our relationship but honestly now it's my favorite thing I love that Genevieve got me to Luke no joke in the past I'm going to say five minutes I have gotten five scam phone calls This is ridiculous You have to get I have to change my phone number

01:30:33 - 01:30:35 | Speaker 1:

Honestly for the life of the show

01:30:35 - 01:31:16 | Speaker 2:

Sorry I won't bring it up It really is This is not normal I cannot Another one just came in That's six in five minutes It won't stop I don't know what I did to my phone Maybe I went to sleep and my phone went out But anyway It is true I remember teasing Genevieve so hard because we went to see a movie called Bandits that I just thought was the worst movie ever and I will still tease her about that she probably doesn't even like me bringing it up but I remember teasing her about how terrible the movie was oh speaking of Billy Bob Thornton I believe he was one of them it was like a movie about a throuple I want to say

01:31:16 - 01:31:20 | Speaker 1:

Bruce Willis, Cate Blanchett and Billy Bob Thornton

01:31:20 - 01:31:24 | Speaker 2:

and Genevieve always argued that it was better than I said it was it was just because I did not watch

01:31:24 - 01:31:29 | Speaker 1:

you know what the catchphrase from Bandits was? Two's company, three's a crime.

01:31:30 - 01:32:22 | Speaker 2:

That actually rings a bell. I think I brought it up. So anyway, here's what I know about the 20. Quick recap. It only aired from like 2003 to 2005. It was the first of this kind of pre-movie commercial package. People were showing or theaters were starting to show commercials before trailers for a while. But this idea of packaging it up into infotainment was something that I believe the 20 introduced and it was only at Regal Cinemas. It was not regional at all. And it was not hosted by Maria Menudos. That was later in later on other kind of third party production companies started making these things. And the one that she hosts is called Nuvi or was called Nuvi. And it was a it came after. And that would that went to all the theaters, Regals, AMCs, whatever.

01:32:23 - 01:32:38 | Speaker 1:

Ask your doctor about Nuvi. Ask your doctor if Nuvi is right for you. It definitely sounds like some kind of a what do you call that kind of birth control? That's like, oh, yeah, right. It sounds like an IUD that you would get.

01:32:38 - 01:33:31 | Speaker 2:

As I said in the newsletter, not to just repeat my own jokes, but like in case it was called Nuvi answering the age old question. And is there a name for pre-movie entertainment worse than the 20? And it turns out there is. The 20. The 20. So anyway, that's what I learned. Actually, I learned a lot more, but I'll leave it there. But yeah, I was pleasantly surprised that a lot of people have memories of the 20. And one kind of charming thing about it is, you know, it looms large in kind of my relationship with Genevieve because it felt like an inside joke for us. And that's true for a lot of people. And of course, it makes sense, especially a lot of listeners of our age. they were meeting and dating their spouses around the people who would become their spouses around this time so it became a and of course going to the movies is a very you know classic date thing so for a lot of people it is inside joke in their relationships still right yeah so that's that's

01:33:31 - 01:33:42 | Speaker 1:

really that was about four spouses ago for me so each what's kind of cool for me is i get to have a different era inside joke with each former spouse new scam likely coming in just not joking

01:33:42 - 01:33:50 | Speaker 2:

We were talking about a song before You mentioned Maybe the Jonas Sisters Should we play that song

01:33:50 - 01:34:11 | Speaker 1:

You know what I really like Is the theme song To Perpetual Grace Limited Which was the other show Made by our guy Who made Patriot Stephen Conrad And the Maybe they're called the Jones Sisters

01:34:11 - 01:34:16 | Speaker 2:

The Jones, I misspoke, I said Jonas It would be great to start a band called

01:34:16 - 01:34:42 | Speaker 1:

The Jonas Sisters Because the Jonas Brothers If we start a band We're calling it the Jonas Sisters That sounds good, yeah But this, I don't know if you can find The theme song And also this show I gotta get back with this show I started watching it when I was still in Bellingham And then I got distracted with something It's very good It's got Jimmy Oh, Phooey

01:34:42 - 01:34:48 | Speaker 2:

I know who you're talking about He's probably a stapler guy from The Office And he's

01:34:48 - 01:34:54 | Speaker 1:

He was on It's Always Sunny He's one of those kind of weirdo brothers On It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia

01:34:54 - 01:34:56 | Speaker 2:

Oh, I think I'm talking about somebody else My apologies

01:34:56 - 01:34:59 | Speaker 1:

But anyway, it's got Ben Kingsley in it It is

01:35:00 - 01:35:08 | Speaker 4:

Really good like really Really good so anyway this is the Theme song from that show by the Jonas Sisters Jimmy Simpson is the actor

01:35:08 - 01:35:26 | Speaker 3:

Playing thank you oil and always sunny also In that we are Cowboys we are robots TV show ah I don't Even think I know yeah it's the Your favorite pavement song References the movie that the TV Show is based on oh Sure The worst

01:35:26 - 01:35:32 | Speaker 4:

we're not 80 yet just a reminder it's yule brenner can you imagine all we need is a cough

01:35:32 - 01:35:46 | Speaker 3:

button and a memory button oh i need more memory buttons oh my goodness i need three more cc's of memory stat oh are you talking about westworld westworld thank you my apologies to everybody

01:35:46 - 01:35:56 | Speaker 4:

i thought it was literally called the cowboy and the robot show i was when you said that i was like how did i not hear about this thing with jimmy simpson i didn't realize you were talking about Westworld.

01:35:56 - 01:36:01 | Speaker 3:

Yes. Luke, what part of I'm a cowboy, I'm a robot, don't you understand?

01:36:02 - 01:36:14 | Speaker 4:

All right. We'll go out with this Jones sister song and thank all of you for being with us on this Monday. We'll be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you. Until then, have a great Monday. And please remember, no mountain too tall. And good luck to all.

01:36:14 - 01:37:16 | Speaker 2:

Of the planet that's beyond it, beyond the wall of all this. And you will stash it in your pocket And you'll take it to Manhattan And where your grandma's dead And you are dead You're not a family man You're blessed with your friends And you will hold it together Under the oldest running water Of the river of each other With the power of the future One day we'll ride into the dawn Of the morning of the dream And the sundown of the day The evening of the living

01:37:22 - 01:38:13 | Speaker 1:

oh i tell you jennifer she is she is really a party pooper really jennifer poops at parties she she poops at parties so so and peoples know this i i poop at parties i poop at parties but peoples don't know because i close the door jennifer goes to the party and then poops but she do it so people's know this serious you make a poop in the in the party so people's may know i want to go to parties with jennifer just to make observation she poops at parties power out

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