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I got the idea from the Shawshank Redemption.

Oh, my God, that's my favorite movie.

No, it's my favorite movie, too.

I've seen it, like, a hundred times. It's just one of those movies, if you turn on the TV and it happens to be on, you just have to finish it.

Melissa, Melissa, it's my favorite movie, too. Big shank head here. Yeah, it's Tom Hanks at his finest, right?

Tom Hanks? What's your favorite part of Shawshank, Phil?

You know, so many parts, so many parts to choose from and to pick from. Probably, you know, the part where the Shawshank is redeemed.

It's like, you know, Hanks does something.

Well, I've never seen it.

Well, you got to see it. You know, as they say in the movie, get busy living or get busy dying.

Truly was a Shawshank redemption.

tbtl that is totally absurd people ask me were you uh you know were you must have been the class clown and i say uh no i wasn't but i sat beside the class clown and i i studied him i feel like

i'm watching regional theater you guys god am i in the cleveland playhouse or something are you

taking my duplication investigation seriously or are you disrespecting my duplication investigation

let's get to the jokes all right hello good morning and welcome everyone to a monday edition

of tbtl the show that just might be too beautiful to live get ready for a few laughs and some great

information my name is luke burbank i'm your host i always be sneaky like how i get chocolate Coming to you from the offices of Walsh, Walsh and Dormat in the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. I'm so excited about this show. It's going to be fun, everyone. We've made it to episode 3609 in a collector's series. Let the fun begin. Joe Rogan and Spotify have finally weighed in on the controversy about his false COVID information. We are living in the midst of a podcast boom. I don't want to spoil the top story segment, but I'll just say it's unsatisfying on both counts. But there are two people that I don't need to hear anything from regarding the Spotify controversy.

How dare you people even say that?

I will call them out by name. I'm not afraid to do it. And I promise you, this is an example of punching up. punching way up so we will talk about that and then i need to reach out to the listeners of tbtl

for some help help me obi-wan kenobi you're my only help i heard a piano version of a song

this weekend i actually saw it on tiktok and i have played it maybe a hundred times and i cannot figure out what the actual song is it's a song that i know but this is the piano version and i can't place it and so we're going to play a little a little name that tune a little help luke out coming up and then uh speaking of music i'm the president of rap music and i need to work with you right away i also spent the weekend uh locating i'd say probably the best propane related rap song in the voice of Hank Hill from King of the Hill. So we will play that, too, plus emails and v-mails. And this guy, the longest-running cobro of the show, may be best known for his depictions of the tall ships.

He started recording in the early 80s. He's known for his love songs and his political songs.

He is Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Across the Table from me. I realized.

Welcome to the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington.

It's a little redundant if I'm here in the Roosevelt neighborhood, and then I introduce you as being in the roosevelt neighborhood but andrew i don't know if you know this i'm on complete autopilot for the first five minutes of the program and by design right you said a while

back you're like i just need to simplify it i don't need to reinvent the wheel every day that's where things get a little dodgy tricky and then i'll be releasing my unsatisfying apology statement

right about what happened on this show and we need to leave that to joe rogan anyway welcome to the program uh now you do have a new recorder that audio i started with wasn't just hilarious

He started recording in the early 80s. He's known for his love songs and his political songs.

It was relevant to what's going on here in the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington, which is you have a new device that you are recording the show on. This is the Maiden Voyage.

Yeah, it's funny. No, it's not funny, but it'll take up a minute or two. I recorded a Hey Dummies video.

the newsletter this week and in the Hey Dummies video I'm sitting in my car very excited because I had just purchased a new recorder I had been using the same recorder to record this show and other shows for about 10 years and it was finally just kind of kicking the bucket and um and so I went and I bought like the the the updated version of that old recorder I had it was a Tascam and I was sitting in my car in the video and showing people the box of it and being very excited about it uh so anybody who cared about that hi uh i took it back it was it uh i it was not very good i did not like the tascam so i went back i've been spending more time in guitar center which is across the street from me almost directly across the street from me like that's the amazing thing and american music which is not uh across the street from me buying i this is so you're still getting those scam likely calls my friend let's keep an eye on they sell a patch for that Did American music? I know. This is the third recorder I've bought in the past, like, five days. I bought a Zoom. I returned it. It didn't work for me. I am avoiding getting into it.

Great, by the way, Matt Damon movie. We bought a Zoom.

Hey. I'm writing it down. I'm writing it down. Yes, we bought a Zoom. Write it down. So anyway, yeah. So that's kind of unlike me. Usually I kind of, I don't know, I nerd out on things. I love getting a new piece of electronics. So even if you have it and it's not perfect, you find a way to make it work. But I just kept on running into these stumbling blocks. And again, like I was going, I think that my guess is, I don't know for sure, but if you walk across the street to the Guitar Center, they might have like a picture of me behind the counter. It says, like, don't talk to this man. Don't engage with this man because it'll like.

It's a blurry security cam photo. Yes. Where you're just standing kind of looking off in the distance. It's black and white. And they're like this guy.

And it says this man will ask too many questions. about preamps he doesn't understand preamps and he will ask too many questions about preamps and you will lose other business while he he is a time suck do not even bother let's be honest and

i say this guitar center is one of my very favorite places to go i don't think you were

depriving them of other business was there anyone else actually you'd be surprised yes i'm glad to hear that yes in fact one time i was in there i i was i think it was friday afternoon it must have been like the the guitar center rush i went in there there were so many people in there and they had like five employees and they were all buzzing around like everybody seemed kind of frantic i was

i am very happy to hear that because the last time i went to guitar center it was in portland and it was out in i believe an area called delta park and it was i believe the day or the day after the announcement came out that guitar center had filed for bankruptcy uh or had you know some financial uh you know uh peril had befallen the guitar center empire it was also during the pandemic and when i got there i feel like there was an employee who was arguing openly with the manager oh i think i remember you telling me and the manager said something like you can't you can't show up late or something and he said are you i forgot i should go i tweeted this out which would be the actual record on the matter. But anyway, the employee and the manager were openly arguing in the middle of the Guitar Center. They had no boxes. I bought a mixing board. They didn't have a box for it, so they put it in a Zildjian cymbal bag. Was this a used mixing board, or was this a display model? It must have been the display, because for whatever reason, they couldn't put it in its actual packaging. Then they just put it in a bag that you would, if you were taking your cymbal somewhere, They put it in there It was a whole situation And it made me feel like Guitar Center was not long for this world But it sounds like at least here In the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington

It's thriving Yeah, there's something about this neighborhood, man I don't know, we have the What is it called? It's not called the Used Musician That sounds terrible Oh, the Trading Musician The Trading Musician Which is like a used music store Like two blocks south of here We have the Guitar Center directly across the street not even to mention all of the stereo and amplifier stores around here. I've really chosen a good neighborhood. I don't know if you saw in the weird warehouse across the street from us, the thing that you got a ticket in front of one time where they store electronics. I don't know which business it is. They've built like an outbuilding. I don't know if you noticed. I didn't. It's already covered in graffiti. Just covered in graffiti already. But they built one of those little like kind of trailers that's attached to the building, you know, with the four steps going up. You rented a car out of one of those. Oh, sure. Yeah. One of those things. So, like, I don't know, like the they're expanding next door. I don't know what that's all about. I'm curious. They might be. I wonder if they're going to build an addition. And that's just where the the workers are going to.

I feel like the fancy stereo business actually did sort of boom during the pandemic for a lot of people, because if you were somebody who's into high end.

electronics and you were trapped at home and you were fortunate enough to still make your you know typical income but you're not spending it going out you know or on vacation then what are you going to do well you're going to just like obsess over getting that macintosh you know um receiver that uh you know is going to make everything gonna make it sound so good when you put steely dan on and uh and so probably those places have done okay it's amazing how many times i will walk

down the street and um there will be a line of people like two or three people holding high-end turntables or something just because they're not letting a whole bunch i don't know what their rule is now but during most of the pandemic they weren't letting people into the store or maybe one at a time i don't know what it was but there was a line of people again like i love living in this world where there's a line of people holding their super expensive turntables did every single

person or was it only most of the people holding those turntables have ponytails

No, honestly I feel like there's a certain kind of dude

No, not an aging, balding ponytail crowd He's going to tell you about his Macintosh amp That he has modified in some way So that it's just going to sound so good When he's playing, you know Trying to think of what he would be playing Without offending fans of whatever that kind of music is

Yeah, no, weirdly it does not seem to be that kind of It doesn't seem antiquated That's kind of the interesting thing about it I can't even really, like, men, women, mostly, like, but I would put them in their 20s and 30s. Did any of the women have ponytails?

Did anyone have a ponytail, Andrew?

Would you consider growing a ponytail? I have had a ponytail. I had a ponytail for a big chunk of my life. Oh, I forgot about that. For so long that eventually the ponytail remained a ponytail even when you would take the tie out of it, which was a real problem. When it goes from being a ponytail to a beaver tail, and then your stepmom has to cut it off. I mean, the thing is, Andrew, if you wear the ponytail long enough, it wears you. Yeah, it wore me out. It wore my family out, certainly. Literally, my stepmom had to just cut off the beaver tail at the back of my head at one point. I don't remember how we cleaned that up.

Is this something we've discussed on the program and I've forgotten about it, or is this the first I'm hearing about this ponytail?

I think we've talked about it, but obviously you don't have to remember everything from my life, especially if it's good if you don't. That's memorable, though. Yeah, I did. I had shoulder-length hair for most of high school. I wasn't supposed to. The high school I went to said your hair was not supposed to be any longer than the bottom of your ears, but Mr. Hennessey kind of let me get away with it. And he'd give me some, you know, he'd hit me upside the head every now and then and say, keep an eye on the length there. He was the vice principal. But, yeah, somehow I got away with it. And then I think, yeah, I can't remember. There was some weird rule about wearing a ponytail in school. Like, I really wasn't supposed to wear a ponytail while I was at school because if your hair was long enough to have a ponytail, it was too long, right? So, weirdly, I think I had to take my ponytail out at school, and then it would, like, my hair was just so big, Luke. It was as wide as my shoulders, and I just looked like a clown.

Well, it's still better than what I had, which was for the – I guess it would have been the junior prom. Although at Jesus Creek, we didn't have proms or dances. We had banquets. So it would have been the junior-senior banquet. I really wanted to have a ponytail, but my hair was not quite long enough to pull it off. My hair was probably down past my ears. I can picture it. She just kind of slick it back. Well, I slicked it back. I did put it in a ponytail, except a lot of the stuff in the front couldn't make it into the ponytail, so I just shellacked it down with massive amounts of, like, Aquanet. And also, I had a houndstooth jacket, like a tuxedo jacket, which was a terrible look.

An actual tuxedo, not a blazer. I was wearing a tuxedo.

So my memory is I think that was the year that I got roped into really this sort of high school multi-level marketing thing, which is the tux shop tells you if you get 10 friends to come in and rent their tux from the tux shop at the mall, then you get your tux for free. So that was what I did.

I never heard of this before.

Yeah. So I basically talked all of my friends who were going to this event into renting from this one place so that I could get mine for free. And with my choice of any tuxedo in the tuck shop, I went with something that was like houndstooth.

Now, I like houndstooth as an idea and as a pattern, but that is not the right application.

This picture can never see the light of TBTL. Like, I know we're pretty open and honest and transparent with the listeners, and we will use photographs that are kind of, you know, at our own expense. This one is so bad. I can never let this one get out. It is truly awful.

You know what I'm thinking about right now is your pillow that night, that poor, poor pillow, which was probably so flammable the next morning.

Just imagine this, a 17-year-old, pimple-encrusted, future teen dad, and we're talking weeks from becoming a teen dad. Congratulations, by the way. Thank you. Just the ponytail was so stiff from the hairspray. It's just pillow, ponytail, person sleeping. Like a pogo stick. Like, that was it. My head never touched that pillow, Andrew. But the hairspray did.

The hairspray did.

But the ponytail itself was like a rod. And it was just keeping me just above the pillow.

You know what I think I'm thinking of here? And this is, God, when we're young and we just don't know what the hell we're doing. I mean, some kids seem to have it figured out, but I certainly didn't know what I was doing. But, you know, you emulate those around you. And my dad, growing up of a different generation, and then, of course, having very different hair situation than I did, you know, by the time he was an adult and I was his, you know, 13-year-old son, he used VO5 all the time. He's in that generation where he just slicks his hair directly back and had for 30 years at that point and probably 60 years at this point. So somehow I thought VO5 was the move. So before my hair was very long. See, I always thought that was a shampoo. That was also – they made a gel product. The VO5 is like an oil-based. I think that was its original product. Interesting. There was a – I don't know if it's the same as Brill Cream. I don't know if that's a brand or I assume that's a brand as well. But it was a – I mean, Luke, it was a very oil-based. It smelled like – it smelled kind of like Vaseline-y.

Do you know what the VO5 stands for?

Wait, don't tell me. Judge none. It wouldn't be something about volume. It goes back too far, and it's marketed towards, I think, guys in the 50s who have a car that they want to take their date to a burger place where people serve them burgers through the window, and their hairs are slicked back with VO5. So I'm going to say it stands for... Slicked back hair, sloppy steaks. Oh, slop them up! White t-shirt. Yes, cigarettes rolled into the sleeve of the white t-shirt. The V, does it stand for volume? That seems wrong. Stands for vitamin. Oh, God.

VO5 stands for five vitamin oils. Oh, my God. This is so old. Sunflower seed oil.

This is the type of thing that would have been advertised on a Wendy's table in the 80s. That's how old this is. Yes. Revive yourself with VO5. It was all petroleum. It's got vitamin petroleum. Vitamin P. It's all your P spots.

flood your p-zone with vitamin p i'd rather fight than switch my vo5 sunflower seed oil mango seed oil i don't believe that sweet almond oil rosemary leaf oil and chamomile flower oil

i i have a well do you think that's the original recipe because i just think that that is that is not those words are not i think appealing to the like 1960s era guy with the t-bird do they have t-bird hey luke do they have t-birds in the 60s you are asking the wrong podcaster i can't riff on this i have no idea and i have i don't know anything about cars or the 50s or about american

culture um what's really weird is there doesn't appear to be a v05 wikipedia page what when you when you plug it in you get um i guess you get the name of somebody named alberto uh culver or a play a thing it was an american corporation its principal business was manufacturing hair and skin beauty care products under the name alberto vo5 remember that it was called alberto

vo5 i don't know if i did remember that huh so i see alberto vo5 does if you look up oh no you're Right, it just links back to the same page.

Now it's owned by Unilever because it turns out everything is owned by Unilever. We are actually owned by Unilever.

You have a name like Unilever. You better own everything, right?

Doesn't it just sound like Globochem? Intertrode. It's like, yeah, Unilever definitely feels like something out of the TV show The Good Place.

Yes, right.

Which I've got heavily on my mind right now because I've been reading this Michael Schur book. Oh, yeah. How to Be Perfect, and he's the sort of creator of The Good Place. So, yeah, everything comes back to The Good Place.

Wait, have you done that interview already?

you're doing no we were supposed to do it today but he has the cron oh no so we'll be doing it

next week oh interesting so that was something that was coming up later it should have already

been done by now it would have been a little later this afternoon second guest that we've had in the last three or four days who's had to the other folks that had to uh cancel was because their kid got the cron they were going to play a song they're actually we're recording that today so that's really the metric for me of what's going on with the virus how many live wire guests

are canceling because they have omicron right and are you guys um you did one live show with

paul f thompkins and the gang yeah demi was there paul f thompkins we had some music from deep sea diver we're coming back by the way february 17th in portland if you're around and if you uh if you're vaccinated and if you're not honestly this is the wrong podcast for you we definitely can steer you towards the joe rogan show uh should we Thank you.

talk about that now for a minute well i was gonna say before when we very first started the show i was actually on the parlor website how is it that this is like somewhat this is this is just somewhat tangentially related all this how has aaron rogers not announced yet that he's moving over to parlor like doesn't that just seem like a marriage made in heaven i feel like he's still two years away

from that because he he still got some good football in him yeah i think the the less effective aaron rogers is as a football player the more he's going to go towards parlor maga world and then when he is fully like retired like not playing anymore he is going to 100 embrace that lifestyle but i think he first of all i think he like joe rogan deludes himself into thinking he's just asking questions like i don't think he self-identifies in his mind as full vaccine

skeptic yet but he has already slipped into like mentioning quote-unquote casually how many votes

he thinks biden got in the election like he's slipping fast well yeah i mean he's he's dipping his toe in that water but i think he probably as long as he wants to keep his state farm commercials

yeah um which i heard there's some potential talk there were there i don't know many people are saying no not many people but many people are saying and very strongly that there is a chance We haven't seen any new commercials with him for State Farm. They've been recycling the ones for a while, right?

Well, I keep seeing one where he's just a... It's not Aaron Rodgers, but it's like a soulful indie musician who wants the State Farm discount from Jake. And he looks like Aaron Rodgers, but he's clearly not.

Oh, God.

He's under deep cover.

That's right. Does he have a bun in that one? I think he has a beanie on and he has long hair,

the kind that you couldn't get into a ponytail if you were going to the prom. Yeah, yeah. Those commercials are so interesting to me how involved they are with Patrick Mahomes being a sneakerhead. He works at a shoe place because he wants to get the discount, but then he learns that anyone can get the discount so he won't give Jake the new sneakers. The premise of these commercials is the center is not holding.

The center was never that strong to begin with.

I'll tell you what's not holding is my grip on who's going to win what football game anymore. Oh, yeah. I was shocked, both personally and financially, by the Cincinnati Bengals. Who they say they're going to cost Luke $183?

Right, yeah. I was happy with that result, man. I kind of was, too. I was rooting for them, but I didn't think they'd have quite enough to beat the Chiefs, but here we are. Good for them.

I couldn't believe they pulled it off. And, you know, first of all, condolences to our listeners in Kansas City who are sad about that outcome. But also, yeah, congrats to the folks in Cincinnati. It's been a long time since the Bengals have been, well, to a Super Bowl, but, you know, even just competitive. So you just sort of feel happy for all those folks. But I did not see that one coming. Yeah, I really thought that the Chiefs were going to win by like 20 plus points.

I thought they might make it interesting. But I but again, you just go back one week and you see what they can do. You can see what the Chiefs can do with 13 seconds. And so, you know, I thought they'd keep it competitive. But I thought that at the end of the day, Mahomes and company, as they say, would find a way just waiting for the other Mahomes to drop. And by that, I mean, Jackson Mahomes doing a TikTok dance on the sideline. Right. And something like in an area that's supposed to be reserved for like for somebody's memory or something.

Yeah, on top of the logo of a Marine slash Chiefs fan who passed away in combat. Oh, my goodness. But anyway, yeah, it was a wild weekend of football. So congrats to the Cincinnati folks out there. This is going to be a really fun couple weeks for you. I also congrats to the Rams. Long time Los Angeles franchise, the Rams, except when they leave every three years and go play somewhere else.

Right, right, right. And then come back and play in a giant studio with a football field on it.

Which is mostly Niners fans.

And then they like to show. Yeah. And then but then they show all the celebrities. It really made it hard to root for that. I never really had a strong opinion about the Rams other than as a divisional rival for the Seahawks. But honestly, like I hated the 49ers. I mean, when the Seahawks were hot, it was that was the rivalry. And I hated the Niners so bad. And it's funny how these things are. Well, lifelong Rams fan, Leo DiCaprio. Right. Exactly. I remember that was exactly I saw that exact. I didn't see much of the games this weekend, but I saw that one moment where they're like trying so desperately to show the celebrity. It's like it's a Lakers game, but it's like all these disinterested celebrities. Leo is like somewhere by the concession stand and sunglasses and a hat with his back to the game.

Well, this was – I mean, it was a problem recently when the Niners and Rams played at SoFi Stadium, like in the regular season, that the – it was – the Niners fans vastly outnumbered the Rams fans. And it was like a home game for the Niners. And I think Sean McVay actually talked about it after the game. I'm like, yeah, that's something we have to overcome. Yeah. Because the fact that, I mean, and, you know, if you're somebody who was in L.A. and you loved the Rams when they played in Anaheim and they had, you know, Eric Dickerson and you still rooted when they went out to St. Louis and came back, whatever, you know, peace and love. But it just feels like a real astroturf kind of situation in L.A. where it was like no one really even wanted pro football to come back that badly. That's why I was gone for 10 years.

I was there. Like, I was actually living in L.A. when this announcement was made. And there were stories. I'm trying to think maybe even my colleagues were doing them. I don't know. But there was chatter and stories like there was just very little interest. Like if a team was coming to Seattle, it would rock this time. I mean, a hockey team came to Seattle and people are still losing their mind over it. And people in L.A. were just like, there's just a lot going on in L.A. And it's not a huge football town.

Yeah, because a lot of people in L.A. are from somewhere else. So L.A. is a football town, but it's not a one team town. I think of it as a Brownstown. Well, and if you go to the right bar. with a bunch of Cleveland folks. It feels, you know, and the same thing with the Seahawks and any team, you know, in the NFL. People go out and watch football on Sundays in Los Angeles, but they all moved there from somewhere else, and they're all going to the bar where, you know, they're going to the Tattletail, the classic Packers bar that it was for like a week before it became whatever it is now. I think I mentioned this on the show, or at least I mentioned it off the air to you, but the last time I was in L.A., I drove past what was the Tattletail, and the door was wide open. You could see right inside. And I swear to you, something inside me died.

The layout, of course, is the same. You're not going to move the bar. Did it look significantly different?

It looked significantly different. It's called like Stage 29 or something. Such a good name. Which is also the stage of Omicron I'm in.

Was Art Marble 21 taken?

Yeah, I mean, I was kind of shocked at how much, you know, part of it was because I didn't expect it. Like, I hadn't planned this trip. Like I wasn't like Let me go drive by And see what's up At the tattletale I was just in Los Angeles Going like to the airport And realized One second before I came around the corner Oh I'm near the tattletale And looked over And it was something Totally different And I was just like Oh

And that sign is gone The sign is gone That sign I wonder where that sign is

Oh man That sign is probably Enormous in real life Like cause You don't realize It's up on a building Or up on a You know A high thing It's like If you Like it would be bigger Than your whole house

It was Rogers, right? I hope Roger has that sign, man.

It's up in Calabasas somewhere. Yeah. I think he lives near the Kardashians. I mean, the thing is, Roger, you know, Roger's just fine. Yeah. Because he sold that bar, I'm sure, for a pretty penny. And my guess would be that the people who bought it did not fully understand that that whole bar was Roger, really. You know what I'm thinking about? When I sell TBTL to the highest bidder, they're not going to realize that TBTL is you and me, Andrew. It's not all of the downloads, the millions of downloads. We are the secret sauce that make this show go.

What if I'm the highest bidder? I'm thinking of the Tattletail, which was your place, but I had a little pastrami joint not far from there. I'm looking it up now. It's still, it'll be opening here in about 15 minutes, yes, for the day. Johnny's Pastrami. When's the next flight? Can you get down there? Have you found a good pastrami in Seattle? Have you found anything that rivals it? No. I mean, it's just a different scene up here. When I was down there, I couldn't find what I like to call the Seattle-style diner bar. And again, I don't go to a lot of these now because a lot of them are owned by a terrible man. But one of my favorite Seattle vibes is the type of thing you get if people are familiar with the Five Point down kind of – what would you call that? The Seattle Center area? Yeah. Yeah. The Five Point or the Mecca Cafe or even this place Hudson, which is a bit further south in Seattle. But Seattle has sort of a good grip on this sort of like kind of casual, almost, you know, kind of divey, but in some ways, like kind of almost faux divey, I would say, sort of style restaurant that is kind of a bar. But it's also you can get a good, decent, greasy breakfast there. Like L.A., I spent my entire time in L.A. trying to recreate that, and I couldn't. The closest I came was Ye Olde. The Rustic? Yes. In Los Feliz? Ye Rustic Inn, I believe it was called. Thank you for saving me there. I would have never gotten there. And your favorite bar was across the way. The Drawing Room. The Drawing Room, exactly. So anyway, so I spent my time in L.A. doing that. And now I'm back here in Seattle. And what Seattle doesn't have is that great pastrami culture, right? like that Jewish deli culture. And it's just, there are a few places around here, but the best pastrami sandwich I had, I think I told you about it on the show, was that time I drove over to the east side. I paid like $20 toll there, $20 toll back, got stuck in traffic to sit in like this time, to pay a lot of money for, I mean, it was really good pastrami and matzo ball soup at a little diner. But even the diner didn't have that.

LA pastrami diner feel to it. I also feel like that pastrami sandwich for me needs to be eaten outside. Maybe it's because Johnny's is mostly that particular place. It's mostly outside seating like picnic tables and stuff, if I remember right. Or at least every time I went there.

They do have an outside area. I don't like eating outside, so I always sat at the counter.

You don't like eating outside? Yeah, I prefer

to eat inside, yeah. Interesting, because

I love sucking on a chili dog outside the Tasty Freeze. Is Spotify going to flag me saying that?

We have the rights for me to say sucking on a chili dog. I'll beep it. Yeah, no, it's like, and I think this is the big difference between, you know, that's, you know, you and Genevieve are very much like that. And I would put you in the vast majority, too. People love L.A. weather because of stuff like that. But I'm just not drawn to stuff like that. I'm not drawn to the sunshine. I'm not drawn to, I love, that's why I like going to a place like, what are some of the other shops around there? Totally blanking today. My brain is terrible. But, you know, the various pastrami shops like I like an old school Johnny's is not an old school Jewish style deli, by the way. But the other places that we would go to Langer, Langer's and Cantor's, those are the places. Sorry, I was locked up there for a second. But like, I love being inside those places.

Well, certainly Cantor's the inside. There's something about the inside of the Cantor's. Can we just keep making a version of that joke for the rest of our lives? No, the inside of Cantor's is in the kibitz room. I mean, that is perfection. Yeah. But I really like, you know, if I'm on a road trip and there's a, you know, a sort of burger place where you can pull over and they have picnic tables and you get your like those crinkle cut fries and, you know, back in my hamburger days, a big, you know, kind of greasy burger and sit outside of the picnic table. I really enjoy that experience. We saw a new segment called Back in My Hamburger Day.

It's like it's a play. It's kind of a riff on what they do on the Levitard show. I can see that maybe in that very specific instance. But, yeah, generally speaking, my ideal my ideal dining experience is usually finding some place, especially in L.A. Like I spent my time in L.A. like trying to get away from the sun. You know what I mean? I love my favorite experience was walking, leaving the sun behind and having a heavy door close behind me, you know, on certain days.

That was also the move for me to bring it back to the tattletail. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break because we got to get to these top stories and and they're not going to they're not going to get to themselves. So why did that sound vaguely dirty? Stop getting to yourselves, top stories. You'll go blind. All right. Back in a moment here on TVTL.

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Let's thank some donors of the day who are making today's episode possible. They're keeping us in pastrami. And whatever it is I'm going to have for lunch today Jessica Jordan is in Tacoma, Washington Thank you, Jessica I'm thinking about Tacoma Should I move to Tacoma? Probably I mean, there are some really cool neighborhoods in Tacoma And, you know, residentially And then there's also just some really great, you know, like business areas And there's actually a very cool little drive-in kind of burger place I want to say it's called freeze pup, freeze pop, something. When I used to do this gig in Tacoma at the Murano Hotel every year for the for this big Catholic hospital chain. The next morning, everybody would come back and break down the banquet room and they would bring like a table of these burgers from this Frisco Freeze.

Frisco Freeze. That would be the one. I don't know what I'm just looking it up here.

But you have to eat outside so you wouldn't like it. But anyway, Tacoma is great, actually, other than the traffic situation.

The traffic getting through Tacoma. But is Tacoma traffic actually bad?

Well, if you get on Interstate 5 in Tacoma, you're in a bit of trouble. And if you're trying to go between Seattle and Tacoma, sometimes you can get some traffic. But the good news is for Jessica Jordan, it's just more time in the car listening to TBTL. And hanging out with the guys. And in this case, we're the guys, Andrew. That's what I'm starting to refer to us as, the guys.

I like it when people refer to us as the boys. I know. It is endearing. It really is.

That's what Heather Lynch calls us in Newtown, Pennsylvania. She's always like, ah, the boys are back in town. This is Heather's voice. Ah, the boys are back in town.

And then she says, there's going to be a jailbreak. And I'm like, why are you just singing all these songs?

Thank you, Heather, for supporting the show. Stacey Martin is in Kalispell, Montana. Guess where I'm flying on Wednesday, Andrew? Oh, that's right. Kalispell, Montana.

Because of proxy weddings.

I'm going to get married again

Nice I wanted to make it an even half dozen Somebody wrote in to say I'm sure a lot of proxy weddings are for people who are in prison I don't think that is actually

the case really well actually that's not true one person could be in prison as long as the other person is either a Montana resident or in the military okay I've now done my research and I know that the rules in Montana are you can do a double proxy wedding but one of the people has to be in the military or one of the people has to live

in Montana but if you're doing a single proxy you could just have one person in prison with the proxy and the other person standing at the altar right well the other thing I learned

is you don't even actually have to have the people standing up yeah this guy i'm gonna go interview tom just does that because he thinks it's a nice touch oh nice it's a paperwork thing you know like you just file the paperwork oh i see you don't need two people to stand there and and pretend to be the people who are actually getting married on

paper somewhere but he just thinks it's a nice touch apparently maybe the maybe the um rom-com about proxy weddings maybe new idea journalist goes down to montana to do a story about proxy Weddings ends up married to an inmate

played by Owen Thank you Stacy for supporting the program. Thanks also to Sarah Roilence in Seattle, Washington I like Seattle. Yeah, it's alright The pastrami scene leaves a little bit to be desired. Laura Coddies is in Portland, Oregon

I'm familiar with that town

That is a good town. I miss that town God, it's been hours since I've been there. And then of course we have Michael Piacatelli In Gig Harbor, Washington

Gig Harbor, you've clocked some time in Gig Harbor

I sure have because you know when you head over to My folks place where I actually was this weekend You drive, if you don't take the ferry You drive on the Narrows Bridge And you head right on through Gig Harbor, Washington How are your parents? My parents are great honestly They're just chugging along, doing their thing My mom went swimming in the Pacific Ocean this week Not for a CBS piece Because she's my mom What's her launch pad? They were in Seaside, Oregon. By the way, thank you to all of our donors of the day for supporting the program. We need you because Lord knows we're not getting any money from our parents. My parents are blowing it all on world mark bonus points, which is the timeshare they're in. And so because my parents are kind of semi-retired now, they can basically roll up to these condos in the middle of the week at a time when a lot of other people are working and kind of living nine to five life. That's smart. And so, yeah, so most weeks, if you were to text my mom and go, where are you, she would tell you she was at some random timeshare condo in either Birch Bay, Washington, Seaside, Oregon, Anna Maria Island, Florida, wherever the wind takes them. I like that. They were in Seaside. It's a good retirement plan. Yeah, it works for them. It's very cute, too, by the way. Like, they take so many selfies and send them to us kids. It's, like, very adorable. But my mom, it was a nice sunny day down in Seaside, Oregon, and my mom just went and dove into the ocean. And then I guess she was kind of too far out there. My dad got freaked out. So he had to wade a little bit into the ocean and be like, Susie, get back in here.

I think Genevieve got yelled at by a lifeguard in Hawaii. There was an actual lifeguard at this one beach because we were in Kihei on Maui, and there's like a lot of good. we were just down the shore from a really good surfing area, and then Genevieve was in a good snorkely area, but there's a lot of rocks and stuff, and so there is an actual person in an old school lifeguard booth. Yeah, like one of those actual buildings, not just a chair. And every now and then you would hear them on a loudspeaker or some sort of a megaphone. I didn't see a megaphone. I like to think it was a big megaphone kind of saying something, and Genevieve could not tell if she was being yelled at or not because she was like, that's the thing, you're half submerging water, but she was like snorkeling kind of near the rocks and heard some megaphone

yelling. Did the lifeguard have zinc on his nose? Because that's the classic lifeguard move. Yeah, it was VO5. I went swimming when we were in Hawaii. We went over to this place called Eternity Beach, which is where... Is that where you go and you

age and suddenly you're really really weird M. Night Shyamalan was

hiding behind some rocks no it's called Eternity Beach because do you remember that iconic scene in From Here to Eternity I've never seen it but you have seen this scene because it's so famous it's Burt Lancaster and I forget the name of the actress rolling on the beach making out as the waves like break over them this is where that was filmed apparently and that's the movie is From Here to Eternity so they call this beach Eternal Beach or Eternity Beach But you have to kind of hike down there And there's no lifeguards It's not supervised by anyone But it was So fun dude Because of the way that the little Cove is with the

with the rock outcropping and stuff it sort of focuses the waves as they come in and they're massive and but but this is the thing there's also kind of some rock you're sort of partially sand and partially rock under your feet and these waves i got caught by a wave that it felt to me like it picked me up and and lifted me eight feet up in the air on the top of this wave this is me trying to body surf and then just slammed me into the sand so hard i realized in the middle of this that i had to just go ragdoll like i had to surrender to the forces of nature or i was going to get hurt i came up and i was like okay just like doing an inventory like okay feet hands it's all still attached it all still works then i stand up and this kid it's like local hawaiian kid with this like great troy palamalu looking hair who was also swimming really what he was doing was having his friend throw him a football and he would jump off a cliff and catch it. Nice. He said, oh, I got you, didn't it? And I was like, it sure did. And then I thought, how is no one dying out here? Yeah. Like, because also there's these huge rocks everywhere. And if that wave, if that wave would have decided to grab me and throw me on one of those rocks,

I'd be done. Or just scrape you across the hard sand and rock bottom.

I scraped my foot there and it is still not

healed, Andrew. I did that on a trip. My first trip to Hawaii was partially ruined because I cut the bottom of my foot early on and then everything else i tried to do in the salt water just sucked i this i scraped

the top of my foot and it is still not fully healed oh that's the top of your foot okay yeah but because every time i put a sock on yeah the wound adheres to the sock oh god and then when i take the sock off i mean it's most it's like 90 healed but it's it's a gruesome looking scar from

from my time there anyway i used to be less it's funny growing up we would go down to um you know florida as i've mentioned to you like once a year i was so comfortable swimming as a kid i i was too comfortable swimming as a kid i remember one time i think i've told you this before uh we showed up at um some sort of like you know condominium pool or something we had just arrived for our vacation probably like two days of driving in this van we all kind of pile out dump our stuff and then we go down to the pool and my parents are just getting set up and they didn't realize that i was so excited i just jumped in the pool i thought i'm ready to jump in the pool now i just jumped in the pool my parents turned around i jumped into like the i don't know how old i would have been here like 17 were you i don't know i was like a little kid were you in swim trunks i think i was in swim trunks but i was so excited that i kind of forgot to take off my shoes i think and my glasses oh no and i just jumped in it's one of those moments where like as an adult i can like totally see this scene from my parents and they were so freaking out and i remember being like well you don't have to freak out you know i swim all the time but also i guess i am wearing my shoes so i sort of see that and i'm wearing my glasses um but i was so comfortable swimming as a kid that i did not become i'm not gonna say scared of the ocean but concerned by the ocean

until concerned by the ocean sounds like a kind of an indie band yeah from the 90s or wary of the

ocean or maybe i didn't respect the ocean because and maybe part of it is here's another scam call coming in um i uh maybe when i was a kid to feel the impact of the waves i was so little that i was only getting the the you know i probably wasn't out that far and i was just getting the breaking waves and as a kid it's just like i just was constantly i didn't call it body surfing but just constantly jumping up and down in the waves the waves take you blah blah blah and i never felt scared i never felt any kind of panic and then i didn't go to the o to visit the ocean for years and years and years as a young adult and then into more advanced adulthood and then i think I was with Genevieve's family in, I want to say, Mexico about 15 years ago or something. And they all went on some adventure together. And I remember just saying, like, I'm just really excited to be in an ocean again. I haven't been in an ocean. So you guys go ahead. I'm just going to go swimming in the ocean. And I'm so much more blind now than I was when I was a kid, too. So I'm not out there with anybody. I'm by myself. And I've put my glasses in my shoe and left them by my towel. And then I walked 10 feet towards the ocean. Now I'm blind. I can't even see where my home base is anymore. But I'm just like, I'm just going to frolic in the waves for a while. And goddamn, if one of those waves did not remind me the power of the ocean. Like this wave, like I panicked for the first time in my life. And again, I'm going to say I'm going to put myself in my early 30s here, maybe late 20s. And it just had its way with me, my friend. And it just flipped me around and threw me around. And I think of the same thing for the first time. I was like rag doll. and I just went to Ragdoll and it washed me up and I remember like, I gotta get out of here

You started making out with Burt Lancaster

I did, so that part was sexy Well that was all a dream, that was more of a shining kind of thing It turns out that that was a dead jellyfish Unfortunately Actually, I guess if you have to make out with a jellyfish better for it to be dead as far as long term damage

to you right probably but either way not a great proposal anyway but I remember just having to go back to my table and being like okay game has changed like I'm old now like and the ocean is very powerful and I was I was just getting out a little bit

too far well you know that's sort of what happened to me which was it was really fun I mean honestly my whole childhood in teenage years I was always trying to catch if I was in the ocean because I also had a period of time where I was afraid of sharks so I wouldn't really go in the ocean

Is that period of time from birth to now?

Well, afraid of sharks to the degree or to the intensity that I would literally not go in the ocean because I was afraid of them. Oh, okay. But sometimes it was less pronounced and I would go in the ocean if that makes any sense. But I've always been wanting to body surf or catch the perfect wave or get that feeling where you really are harnessing nature but kind of in this way that it's really propelling you, like the perfect wave for body surfing. And I don't think I've ever even caught that before this moment. And it was so powerful that I got out of the water and I went and I was like, well, I'm going to not do that again. Like, so I finally caught the perfect wave at age 45 and it was too much. It was too much. The perfect wave is too much.

Yeah, exactly.

Hello and welcome to Top Story. All right. This top story is ripped from the headlines of my life in that I was watching TikTok this weekend, as I am wanted to do. And somebody was playing this a song on piano. And I recognize the song. I know the song, but I can't place it. There were like at the time that I looked at this, like 1500 comments underneath the song. And all of them were people asking, what is the name of this song? And no one was telling them.

I have a feeling this is going to drive me mad. If I recognize it at all, it's going to drive me mad. All right.

I'm hoping, if you don't know it, Andrew, that the listeners know it. This is not really like – I'm not presenting this as TBTL content. I'm presenting this as a cry for help. Okay. I just need to have this solved. And there's no, like, Shazam for this kind of thing.

Now I'm wishing that I would have had the – There's no Shazam because this is somebody just interpreting a song on their own sort of.

Yeah, exactly. Okay, so let me know if you recognize this email, luke at tbtl.net, or Andrew, maybe you'll know, and then we'll be fine. I hate you.

It sounds familiar. Keep it going. Keep it going a little bit longer.

Mm-hmm. I promise you that was not the plan. But you know what? At some point, you just— Sometimes I have to commit a crime of opportunity on the show. At some point, you realize— Legitimately this is the song Okay That's right, Blown Out Yeah, let me turn This is just the recording I think, unfortunately I'm gonna hear it That's it That's the whole song. I'll play it again.

It's not doing anything for me, I don't think.

I'm so close.

Doesn't ring any bells for you? Now although the recording is interesting I thought this would be somebody alone in their home But just from recording these types of things before That sounds like this is a performance somewhere I can sort of hear some shuffling And somebody coughing in the background The sense I have is it is just a person Maybe there's someone watching

But it's just kind of like You don't see the person You just see their hands It's just a piano It's like in a home Oh it is in a home Okay so the visuals go along with it I'll play it one more time Maybe one of the listeners will recognize it Again sorry for the audio quality all right so if you know that tune please please email me luke at tbtl.net because it is killing me.

You don't think it's this, do you? Right here? Doors go up. Doors go up.

You know what? Honestly, revenge is taking a poison, hating someone.

Presenting someone is taking a poison and hoping they die, Andrew.

I get it. You're mad at me. I'm mad at me for not even being able to fire that correctly.

Now, here's the other thing I want to play for you. I do know what this tune is. This tune is called Propane Money featuring Bobby Trill, the remix. This was posted on YouTube by someone called Swagmaster Skeet. And this was the thing that I just referenced the other day on the show, I think on Friday, How this just like five seconds of this song Just pops up on TikTok It's like And it's always like someone kind of making fun of how their dad is Like the text on the screen will be Asking your dad if he has a $2 bill in his wallet And then it's like five second clip of this Like Hank Hill rapping about propane But I just wanted to play it for you Because it's pretty funny actually I also bleeped out the especially bad parts I think I left GD in But I took out like the B word and maybe a couple of other things. And I'm not great with that, so this is a little annoying. But anyway, take a listen to that.

I keep that thing on me. God damn it, Bobby. They see me selling propane and now they try to copy. Pretend to be broke, but I got hella cash If you use charcoal, I'ma kick your ass Made this money from propane I feel like Pablo Escobar, but I don't sell cocaine Shot that fella cause he didn't make his payments Fuck with me, I keep a rocket launcher in my basement Made this money from propane I feel like Pablo Escobar, but I don't sell cocaine Shot that fella cause he didn't make his payments With me I keep a rocket launcher in my basement

That's my purse I don't know you

Wait who's this? It's Bobby That's supposed to be Bobby? I think it's decent Bobby You don't think so? I don't know

I pull out this 32 Bobby spit me in the stew I got rats on rats And you ain't got a clue God damn it Bobby There was a lot of swears in that part I'm out painting clouds on my walls Bout to go kick my dad in the balls

I will say that Hank is smooth I don't know I could do without the Bobby

I thought the Bobby was the best part You didn't like the Bobby Can I show you something though Because I didn't realize this was such a cliche You have a $2 bill I literally have a $2 bill

Oh my god you're a living TikTok meme

I did not know that this is a dad move.

It was like when you ask your white dad if he has a $2 bill in his wallet. And then it's like Tank Hill rapping about propane.

I'm going to take a picture of this $2 bill. I'm going to make it a show pic so people know I'm not lying. I didn't know that that was an old white man thing.

I didn't either necessarily, but this very much confirms it. Is that for luck or just kind of – it's just a habit?

I don't know. It's like you don't come across $2 bills all that often in the wild. especially nowadays people aren't using cash that much so at one point i got a two dollar bill and

i'm like i'm gonna tuck this uh i'm gonna tuck this away in my wallet spotify is um responding i guess to the controversy about what joe rogan has been uh allowing to go on on his podcast on spotify is it clapping back luke they're not clapping back because they are a big corporation And so what they're trying to do is, you know, they're trying to calm the situation down. Right. Yeah. So they're reasonable people on all sides. But what they have decided to do is just play a disclaimer in front of any of the podcasts on their network that at any time talk about covid or any medical anything. So that fixes it. So even the responsible people. Yes, you could be, you know, Anthony Fauci and you could have a podcast. Oh, my God. Or, you know, Oprah, you could be Oprah. Well, I'm assuming Oprah did have Dr. Oz on. I was going to say, maybe that's a bad example. As I was saying, you could be, though, a very, very scientifically minded, you know, doctor who's doing a podcast that is absolutely on point with the facts. and you're going to have the same disclaimer running in front of your podcast that Joe Rogan is going to have running in front of his podcast where he has on quacks. And what is the disclaimer? Do we know? I don't think that they've said exactly what the disclaimer is, but that's Spotify's big announcement on how they're going to fix this situation. Joe Rogan also posted one of those non-apology apologies. On Instagram yesterday he put out this video saying, I'm very sorry.

that they feel that way in terms of people who, well, I actually was talking, I think, about Neil Young and Joni Mitchell, but also people who don't like that he has on Quacks. He says, I'm sorry they feel that way. I don't want to make them upset. And he says he's always been a Neil Young fan. That actually kind of made me happy. If he really is a Neil Young fan and Neil Young is like roasting him.

I feel like that is a little bit of a pain point for him. Yeah, I could see that. Here's what I would like to do, because I don't want to make a huge stand about this, Luke, where we totally, like, pull our podcast off of Spotify. What if you and I just pulled, like, five or six of our episodes off of Spotify and protest against Joe Rogan?

I think that would work as a protest movement if occasionally, I'd say about every three weeks, we just drop a random episode off of Spotify. Pull one off. That sounds like a good idea. What if we do that? No, I think that's our active protest. This is our fight song. I'm trying to find this information about, the specific information about the two people that I definitely do not need to hear anything from on the topic of podcasting and Spotify. And those two people who are weighing in on this are Prince Harry and Meghan. I was going to guess that based on a tweet that you sent out the other day. Is this related to that? This is exactly related to that. Prince Harry and Meghan also addressed the controversy earlier Sunday, writing in a statement through their Archwell Foundation that they had expressed concerns to Spotify about the, quote, all too real consequences of COVID-19 misinformation on its platform. The couple announced in 2020 that they would produce and host podcasts exclusively on Spotify. There's only one problem with that business deal, Andrew, and that is they were paid $30 million. They didn't publish a single flipping podcast in 2021. They got paid $30 million from Spotify. They've not made a podcast for them. Did they make one prior to 2021, or they have never made a podcast? I think there is one where literally they're, like, listening to music or something.

Ironically, copyrighted music.

I think there was one. I had read somewhere that they had released one sort of podcast, and I remember reading the description of it and realizing what an easy lift it was for them. It was the kind of thing where it was like they showed up somewhere where somebody was doing something. Of course, yeah. And then – or, like, I don't know, maybe they were, like, unwrapping Christmas presents. It was something where I was like, this is the lowest level of commitment from them. And that was one episode. 30 mil. In 2020. All of 2021 went by. And Lord knows, you and I know this, Andrew. You can podcast during a pandemic. They got $30 million to not make a single podcast in 2021.

You know, people have offered us money to not make our podcast, too. Oh, my God. It's not the worst business deal ever.

Is that the... Don't drive like my brother. Is that the road to financial success for us? Is it just... Yeah, that's like a protection racket. It'd be a real shame if you had to keep hearing TBTL on your nice podcasting platform.

I do feel like that's the most clicking clacky joke I've ever made. So, anyway... Even though the people at Spotify issue a new warning every time we release a podcast, This is American public media for now.

Yeah. So Spotify's response to it, I found to be pretty underwhelming. The Joe Rogan apology, again, other than him saying he's a Neil Young fan. I mean, I listen. I don't have the tape in front of me, but I did hear it. Snippets of the tape. I did not. I saw it. I saw it going around. And it was it's weird because it it reminds me of my bizarro relationship with the idea of this Joe Rogan guy, which is he seems actually like if you were friends with him, he would be pleasant to talk to. He's not an unpleasant person. I also don't listen to or watch his show. So I can't speak, you know, sort of specifically about every conversation he has on that podcast. But I know that when I do see a clip of it or when even him in this apology, he doesn't seem totally unpleasant to me. And in fact, there was a long time where I think his show he would have on kind of interesting people and would do some pretty good interviews. I think he has the capability. I mean, there's a reason that Spotify paid him $100 million and that he has 11 million listeners per episode. He's not terrible at his job.

No, I've never listened to his actual podcast just because that's like I don't. But I know, you know, a lot of people will say, no, it is good. And also, I think now, you know, he's now been sort of, I don't know, people when they get kind of defensive, they end up kind of backing into a corner sort of and then surrounding themselves by other kind of like minded people. So maybe he I don't know. I don't listen. I don't know what kind of guests he's pulling in these days and if they actually raise a whole different number of perspectives on this stuff. But I will say this is such a weird, such a weird just micro. but i remember being in la you and i were talking about radio in la and how much i loved just scanning the dial in la recently um but when i was down there i was like you know flipping through the channels and i ended up on some sports show and he was just filling in as a host and again this is like 2014 2015 and i remember just thinking like oh yeah i get it like he's a really

good broadcaster you know we all knew the handyman from news radio one day was gonna become the most Polarizing figure in broadcasting

Actually that's probably the job that he was worst at He was such a bad actor on that show I love that show but he was so bad on that show His character was bad and he was a terrible actor But like yeah no he is great Behind a microphone of course he's pulled So many people in

His apology he was also saying he's going to try to do more It was weird because I was expecting Him to either not apologize Because he's just like defensive Or for It to feel like Like there was a script behind the camera And he was just reading it so that Spotify would continue sending him his checks for millions of dollars. It was somewhere in between for me. Like he said, I'm going to try to do more research when I'm having somebody on who's controversial. He said, I'm going to try to maybe also have some counter, you know, points or counter views on. But again, he didn't sound like totally angry and defensive, which is what I was sort of expecting.

And again, not to bring it back to Aaron Rodgers, like I'm kind of obsessed with this. But, like, it sort of seems like Aaron Rodgers got, I don't know, got caught. I'll just put it that way. And now he's just immediately sliding into – I was reading this article. Maybe this is why it's on my mind, and I started to look this up before, and I've already forgotten. I can't remember if it's The Ringer or what. I'll look it up here. But I started reading an article that published, I think, early last week that said The Downfall of Aaron Rodgers. And it was just like talking – it begins just by contrasting where Aaron Rodgers was just at the beginning of this season.

Like like Jeopardy, like nerdy hosts, like maybe actually like the one jock who isn't really a jock and like he's going to be engaged to this interesting, you know, actor, Shailene Woodley, you know, who maybe in certain ways doesn't fit the typical kind of wag.

Right. Exactly. And then he just like he got caught. And again, it was like it wasn't like he was standing up. Everybody knows the story. It's not like he was standing up the whole time saying, hey, listen, I'm not vaccinated, but this is the reason why I'm not. And this is my belief. It was because he was like, you know, basically lying and saying, yes, I'm immunized when asked if he was vaccinated. And then he kind of got caught in this lie. And then he it just seems like immediately just took sort of took this heel turn by appearing on safe podcast for him and doubling down on that. And then, like I said, you know, releasing a quote in like a half hour interview he gave with I can't remember who the interview is with early last week, I think, where like he's just like kind of now not so subtly throwing in little comments about how many votes Biden got. I'm just like, man, you turned quickly on that. Like and it's interesting that Rogan is kind of like Rogan is doing what his supporters always claim he does, which is not totally picking sides, just asking questions, man.

Yeah, again, I was a little, I was surprised I didn't find the apology or whatever I didn't find the statement to be totally I mean, what would be satisfying if he was like Yeah, I'm really sorry I had on those People that were Spreading misinformation about a pandemic We're going to take those episodes down Kind of like we do occasionally, Andrew Yeah, out of protest We take an episode off of Spotify Exactly I don't want to throw the term hero around But I think it's heroic how we occasionally Drop five episodes But, no, it's like it wasn't satisfactory, but it also wasn't as terrible as I was expecting, if that makes any sense. Now, Spotify's response was more terrible than I expected.

Just their quote-unquote solution to this? Yeah, exactly.

This is what they say about – this is the CEO, Daniel Eck, says about the advisory that's going to air. This advisory will direct listeners to a dedicated COVID-19 hub, a resource that provides easy access to data-driven facts, up-to-date information as shared by scientists, physicians, academics, and public health authorities around the world, as well as links to trusted sources. So that's all well and good, but they're going to run it in front of everything now so that they don't offend Joe Rogan.

And you just know that most people, even myself, like we're not going to say, hey, I'm about to sit down and listen to this podcast that I like with Joe Rogan. And oh, but here's this warning. I'm going to go to their information center and just like just put my mouth on the fire hose of more information. You know what I mean? Like that's not a real solution. It's just saying that you did something. Well, we're offering as much information as we can because we are a responsible media organization. I like to go back. I mean, you kind of you didn't put me on the spot, but you asked a pointed question last week. Like, well, what would you do if you were Spotify? And frankly, I still don't have a good answer for that.

Would the fact that Nils Lofgren from the E Street Band is also pulling his music, would that tip the scales for you? What are we going to go out with? Like, peace and love to Nils Lofgren, who's a talented musician and, you know, beloved and famous and all.

those things and all he can do is what he can do right so if he wants to pull his music that's his protest but it's kind of funny because I was hearing a lot of coverage this morning and I could tell that like some people were like we got to throw in the Nils Lofgren thing and some people were like really do we have to mention that we have to explain who it is right exactly like and I don't you know it's actually kind of interesting to me that the Neil Young thing and the Joni the Joni Mitchell part of it has had as much impact as it has because it's I it's not even that their music is gone it's that they were publicly kind of I think making this statement to Spotify like that's what's really generated the conversation I don't think it's because they were streaming 20 million people a day were streaming Neil Young or Joni Mitchell on Spotify

or maybe I don't know what the numbers are well it's funny because I keep on I want to actually look this up and get a clear answer but I do feel like both sides of the argument are like kind of trying to weaponize whatever the numbers are you know on the on the right you just see all these things like Neil Young is only like not getting $100 by pulling his music and other people are like I saw a headline that said he's actually it is a pretty big financial maybe not a big financial hit in the when you look at his entire you know estate and everything that he owns but like that it's not nothing that he's giving up right on here I also think the order of things Like, I don't, this might just be my own myopic lens on this music. I'm a Neil Young fan. I don't know much by Joni Mitchell. You know, I know that she's well-respected and everything. I just wonder if things had happened in a different order. If it was just Joni Mitchell, I don't think it would have been the same splash as Neil Young. I'm not sure. And also, you know, especially with Joni Mitchell, I would say maybe to a degree with Neil Young, probably a lot of their most hardcore fans are probably people who are not listening to that on Spotify anyway. Right. You know what I mean? And especially Joni Mitchell, I could see big Joni Mitchell fans having records and CDs and just being of a different generation and also just liking the old technology as opposed to like I'm not saying nobody is streaming Joni Mitchell. Don't get me wrong, but I'm just saying that like there it's not Lil Nas X. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like people probably have Joni Mitchell albums that they can go back on.

Also it'll be interesting And I can't imagine A universe in which This was Neil Young's plan But it'd be interesting If it actually drives sales Yeah Because you said You might go buy Something on vinyl I wonder if If he'll actually End up selling more You know Through other Streaming services In as much as you buy music Through streaming services Or like just people Buying vinyl I wonder

It'll be like a big Because it does make you Just think about his music too If you're somebody like me Who just like Likes Neil Young And by the way When I say I like Neil Young I mean Neil Young has released so much stuff like i have a few albums from a specific period that i like so there's a lot to explore there i'm not trying to paint myself as some huge neil young head but um yeah like you're just kind of like oh yeah everybody knows this is nowhere i haven't heard that in a while let's let me get that oh it's not on spotify anymore maybe i'll buy it on you know

probably most people buy it on amazon or something yeah here i go once again with the email every week i hope that it's from a female no man it's not from a female all right we have exactly four

minutes mon frere i have to do this segment i have a voicemail here it is four minutes and ten seconds perfect uh we are losing time as we speak now um this is from a listener who just wanted to

share this story with us hi friendos this is your 10 calling in from rhode island where we're buried down there, about two feet of snow, and I am moving into my own apartment for February the 1st, and upon moving, I have boxes in my car trying to navigate in the snow, and somewhere deep down in one box in the back of my car, it is stuck, the sound machine is stuck on let the fun begin, which is fortuitous because I am about to let the fun begin in my new apartment all by myself, and I'm really looking forward to hanging out with you guys.

The boys. Can't wait. Bye. Nice. Congratulations. Boys are back in town. Congratulations on the new apartment. That's awesome. I mean, it sounds like moving in the snow is not ideal, but I hope you're over the hump now.

Also, I can so relate to the sound machine. I mean, this is why the one that I have today, thankfully, the listener and I think maybe their son modified it for me. So it has an on-off switch. But it is amazing how sensitive buttons are on these things. And because the TBTL ones that we sent out, they don't have an on-off switch. Yeah. And I've had, you know, they trying to say I was drunk. Yeah. Like emanating from my, you know, my backpack on the plane more times than I can count.

And I remember driving your car when we were trying to like shuffle vehicles before we went on our little Delica trip. And I was driving your car. I had mine somewhere in my bag in the passenger seat. And I was like driving your car. I didn't want to be messing around, like trying to like find it and rummage around and end up taking a side view mirror off your car. So it's just like it was just like it would get stuck on one for a while. Then I hit a bump and get stuck on a different one for a while. Just like repeat, repeat, repeat.

It also feels like it lands on the most annoying.

Yeah, but they all are after the third one.

Well, congrats on your new place there in Rhode Island. Yeah. The way that that listener said, this is your 10, I believe that they really think they're the only listener. And they really might be right. You're getting there. They really might be right. Exactly. All right. Which Niels Lofgren song are we going out with? Words by Dove. Oh, that's one of my favorite by him. All right. Thanks for listening, everyone. We're going to be back here tomorrow with more imaginary radio for you. I will be here in the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. So do join us for that. Until then, have a great Monday. Take care of yourselves, stay safe, and please remember, no mountain too tall, and good luck to all.

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