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It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday

Everybody's looking forward to the weekend

There are two types of people in this world Those who like Neil Diamond and those who don't My ex-wife loves him You know something? That was pretty funny You should think about being a comedian

My friend is a blackjack dealer, and on his forearm, he has a tattoo of an ace and a jack. You see, I'm a blackjack player. On my forearm, I'm going to get a tattoo of a 10 and a 2. And then maybe later, a king.

You know how someone might describe a situation that's unpleasant or confining as being like a prison? This is what they're referring to.

All right. Hello, good morning, and welcome, everyone, to a Friday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. This song goes out to all the coffee lovers of the world. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. I can't believe you're still on the air. Coming to you from the frozen shores of Flathead Lake, once again, in lakeside, Montana, where I am very happy to report that yesterday after the show, I was able to navigate my rented Chevy Equinox up an extremely steep, windy, narrow, snow-covered road.

I am petrified, petrified with this story.

I was a little scurred, but I managed to safely get to my TV shoot and back and everything seems to have calmed down in the snow department here in Montana for the time being. So we're looking good. Let the fun begin. Episode 3613 in a collector series is also looking good. That's the episode we've arrived at. Speaking of snow, of course, they get a lot of snow in Minnesota. So each year they have a little kind of competition, I guess you could say, or contest, where they let people name the new snow plows.

Oh, Mr. Plow, that's my name. That name again is Mr. Plow.

And they've come up with some real humdingers this year, which I'm excited to share with you, the listeners. They're also doing something like that in Vermont with the schools. They let the students at the schools name the new snowplows or the school's snowplow, I guess, or the town's snowplow. So we'll look into those as well. and keeping things in Minnesota. It turns out Minnesotans are leading the nation in a certain kind of time-wasting. There's a waste of time to do that. And we will talk about that as well. Plus, we'll do some music for your weekend because it is a Friday. We'll do all of that with the help of this guy, the longest-running co-bro of the show, maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships. He is an activist and house party enthusiast. He is Andrew Walsh. And he's joining me right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my friend.

Good morning, Luke. I got an email here that just came in like while you were talking. A long time ago, I don't even remember how long ago, but years now, there was a moment where I was trying to figure out what a song was or what a sample was or I was trying to identify some piece of music. This is probably something that you can't relate to. I don't know if you've ever gone through anything like that piece of music, but I remember doing this, signing up, trying to get on these websites that would maybe offer me a clue here, and giving them my email address. I was that desperate, and then forgetting about it. And just now, for the first time, I'm going to say in three years, four years, five years, I just got an email from whatzatsong.com. W-A-T-Z-A-T-S-O-N-G dot com. And it says, greetings. As promised, we are sending some interesting facts about what that song and its community. We hope that this will help our members find new songs and friends to follow. And it's just like a list of the top most five followed songs in January. I got a Wolf Mother song on there. Wolf Mother, that's not the guy that we interviewed at Sasquatch. No, that was Rain Wolf. Rain Wolf, right, a lot of wolf names. Anyway, it's just funny. I mean, I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.

I'd completely forgot about whatzatsong.com, but they still got me in their database, and they're reaching out as, my favorite part is, as promised. When did we make that promise? Was it even, was it post-2015? Who knows?

Promises made, promises kept, my friend. Yeah, that's right. From whatzatsong.com. Maybe I should submit that mystery song that I'm still trying to figure out the answer to. I keep getting ever so close to it, Andrew. You're like, I'll be in the shower, and I'm just running it through my head over and over again. Also, maybe more than anything we've done in the last two or three years, this is generating a tremendous amount of listener feedback. My inbox is just full of people sending me links to songs that they think might be the song I'm thinking of. And none of them are right, but I really appreciate the interaction. I think on Monday maybe, because I'll be back home, I'll have access to all my normal systems. Maybe we can kind of go through a bunch of these emails And listen to some snippets of songs And kind of see if we're getting any closer I'd like to try to solve this over the weekend

For my own sanity There's so many, Luke I'm getting them Now listen, I'm about to say something here Two of my favorite people in the world Are also listeners to this show I won't call them out directly But you think you're getting over Your inbox is overflowing People are texting me Like texting me and, you know, Instagram messaging me, like communications that you're not even on saying, is this the song Luke is talking about? And I don't know how to explain that. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Like, I don't know. Like, I am. I am like I don't even know what to do with all these emails. If I open up my email right now, I get a bit of a panic attack. So I like to try to keep that thing as as clean as possible. And it's just overflowing with unread emails that say, is this Luke's song? Is this Luke's song? Is this Luke's song?

Hey, do you think Luke likes the smell of this? And other unknowable things for Andrew.

And I'm hoping that the two people who I'm talking about here who are legit IRL friends know that I'm saying this with love. But maybe it's your reputation for maybe not being the most responsive. I don't know what it is, but it's one of those things. You're right. Does Luke like the smell? It's like, I'm not sure, but all I know is I would like to step off of this train for a while and let you deal with it, especially I think it's, well, again, maybe it would be one of those things where you can go through them in your off time, which I know you have a lot of, and see if we can get close, because we can't play them all on the show. I mean, it's just I'm getting hundreds of emails.

Well, one of the things that I need, I think, could possibly help me crack the case is to, when I get home, to fire up my Sonos on my computer, which if I try to do it from here in Montana, it, I, actually, you know what, it might work now that I'm on Wi-Fi, but I was trying to do it on the plane, and if you're not connected to the internet, it won't tell you anything, but basically there's a certain institutional memory in my Sonos. and i'm wondering if i had played this if the song played fairly recently in my life which was why i was so keyed in on it when i heard the piano version i'm also really worried andrew that when i finally figure out what song it is it's going to sound nothing like the piano song i mean that's a that's a very distinct possibility because people have sent in i mean they've literally sent in probably the song that this person on tiktok was playing i think that some of the very first responses were accurate like that's probably the song but but but the journey I'm on is that the music okay fine we're just doing this I'm just going to play a little bit of this song for folks Hey, people are sending in like, oh is it the the piano cover of where is my mind at the end of fight club is it you know um there's a an artist whose name is escaping me it's like andre something who uh has a song called claire de lune that sounds like there's hundreds of songs that sound like this and use this chord progression but the one i'm thinking of is not any of the songs that have so far been submitted to me

and the key here is you're not looking for a piano number i think a lot of people are sending in piano numbers because this is a piano number your whole thing i just want to reiterate this again you're not looking for a piano number you're looking for a different uh setup of this a different instrumentation of well this you think right i think maybe but it also still might be

piano but it's not like here's what i'm trying to say it's not like a beautiful kind of uh spare piano number it's in the midst of a rock song and it's literally like after the chorus maybe the second chorus it's like it's that kind of you know that move where all the instruments are playing and then it just goes down to one instrument that's what's happening that's the thing I'm thinking of so it's a rock song they're playing along they're playing along and then all of a sudden it's just the piano part and maybe it

is a piano it's just one instrument I could hear this being a single guitar playing those high notes i could definitely hear like almost a steven milk missy kind of um i could i can totally hear this in a steven an early steven milk miss style it's not that is it did i get it hey no we did it's a steven milk song it's cut your hair by pavement what hey what that song um is what we're

asking again what i'm really there are two possible outcomes to this one i never figure it out and i just die a madman um and in two or even worse i do figure it out and it just sounds nothing like the song that started this whole conversation which will just be personally embarrassing or

three you convince yourself that one of these candidates this is so nebulous right this is something that my brain i mean uh my my poor brain what have i done to my poor brain actually oh shit things are hard i'm working on the newsletter right now but um i am what have i

done to my poor brain i am i love i love that that's in the way that i was making a joke about i shot the sheriff you've just unintentionally made a joke about the song where is my mind

by the pixies what have i done to my brain the newsletter this week is a kind of a reckoning because as you mentioned on the show the other day you have been paying me to make mistakes on the show for years and years now not unlike the scandal that's currently rocking the NFL and um so I the the newsletter this week is sort of a um I got the receipts Luke let's just put it that way oh wow a reckoning of some of the mistakes that you've paid me to make over the years so that's why that's that's why I think I said my poor brain because I've been doing a little inventory of the things I've said anyway um yeah but these things are nebulous is my point and sometimes like it's almost like when you're trying to remember it no no that's different but uh when you're trying to remember a song and is this it but then the more you hear it your brain latches on to it it's like yeah you tell me like um have you ever heard of have you ever heard of this actor or have you told me the story before and I'm like no I don't think you've told me that story before but the more you tell it the more I'm like oh yeah this rings a bell I don't know if it actually rings

a bell maybe I'm just getting into the story right I mean our memories I mean your and your memory and mine are particularly faulty but you know memory is just so weird that yeah I could it could get Mandela affected into my brain yes it was you know that Andres Desplat song the whole time or whatever I don't know if that's the there's I don't know why I'm fixating on this part but what is that Claire DeLune song and is that the guy who also does a lot of soundtrack work for like I want to say Wes Anderson films maybe I think there was well I'm I had to look

it up but i was thinking of the more the uh claude wc and i wouldn't have known that at the top of my head but i had to look it up but it's familiar it's isn't that um isn't this used in in uh space odyssey 2001 or am i mistaking my wc oh yeah this is yeah this is yeah this is the one i was thinking

of it was not the andre des play guy who is uh a different composer who kind of does i don't know very beautiful music oh actually i he when he won the best original score for the grand budapest hotel so but that is uh anyway all of which is to say i will try to have some sort of news to report on this on monday if i can now speaking of listening experiences that i have been reveling in andrew i am here to tell you that m t pr montana public radio is just an absolute delight to listen to as you're driving around the wide open spaces of montana because it is genuinely weird like it is a throwback to a totally different time in the world of public radio where it's i the first time i turned it on because you know what i think you and i tend to do the same thing which is if I'm visiting a place for a while I'll just like in the rental car find the public radio station the local public radio station and kind of rip the knob off because I like to hear the local hosts I like to hear them talking about what's going on in that particular town I just really enjoy that experience so I went to what I was told was the Montana public radio station and I heard a talk show going on that was so bizarre it was four in the afternoon on a wednesday and i was like there's no way that this is what they're playing and it was a guy interviewing somebody on the phone who was sort of a expert on i guess satellites or something it sounded so community radio the guy who was doing the interview was a delight he didn't sound like a professional broadcaster he kept talking about over on the farm what they do so i think he was a farmer i love this who are there letting host but this is drive time this is 4 30 in the afternoon uh you know which most public big public radio stations are going to be playing all things considered he's talking to this person about satellites and then at some point he goes okay i gotta play a song here because i gotta catch my breath which was awesome because there was nothing breathless about the conversation they're just sort of chatting it sounded so casual and just like i was just loving how kind of lo-fi the whole thing was and then and then he just puts on just some ridiculous music that was just like i forget what the song was but it was like i almost want to change the station because the song was so bad but i was also just loving it that that's what was playing on on the station and so anyway i've been driving around listening yesterday i got done with excuse me i got done with my shoot and i get back in the car and i turn on the radio and again it's like 4 45 in the afternoon and they're just playing a song that's objectively one of the worst songs i've ever heard in my life and i thought maybe i'm in Maybe this is not the public radio station Maybe this is not Because you know if you're driving around enough Like it's on 90.1 which I think is the frequency

But maybe I've crossed over to a different broadcast zone Where 90.1 means something else Because this song was so bad I was like there's no way that this is really what they're playing At 4.45 in the afternoon So I went online to the Montana Public Radio website And I started playing their feed from my phone And it was the same song No this is just what they're doing In the afternoons And it was such a delight They also have this really cool idea where they get local people in the community to read all of the call letters of all of the different transmitters around the state.

I always wanted to do that at New Hampshire Public Radio. We always said, we're going to do that one of these days.

It's such a good idea. I wish every public radio station that has to do that in Libby at whatever, in Butte, they go and they list all the different station letters. So they'll just have like, this is Diane Johnson in Helena. And, you know, like she's got some pottery studio or something. And then she goes and lists the whole list of stations. And then I heard them advertising on the station later that they need more people to read those things.

Oh, that's awesome. Yeah.

Like they were like, if you want to come on the station and read the call letters, please call this phone number and leave us a message. We'll call you back. Like it's so community. But this is the network that's going across the whole state. My guess is it has a lot of listeners, but it's just charmingly anachronistic. And I just it literally made me want to move to Montana and become a farmer and just listen to this radio station all day.

Well, it definitely makes me want to listen to it online. I don't think I'm ready to move and become a farmer, but I can definitely call this up on one of the services. What is it again? Do you remember the it's just Montana public radio?

Yeah. M.T.P.R. And again, I believe it's the it's the statewide network of public radio. but it just has this folksy quality where they're just they're just chatting and playing music and then they do occasionally play all things considered but i want to say like for like an hour or something like this station still and you know that's how most public radio stations used to be 20 years ago and then they figured out that it was bad from a programming standpoint to keep switching up what you were playing and so now most of the bigger public radio stations just kind of sound like a version of the same thing all day long but i'm just delighted by how much they're not doing that here in montana like it oh and the other thing too is i keep talking about the songs being bad i just mean they were some of the songs were just not really my style but then also as i was driving over to the the shoot yesterday i just found myself driving through this like snow covered unbelievably beautiful scene where you've got horses and and cows and snow and trees and and you know meadows and everything and a kind of a folksy song was playing that just felt very appropriate to what i was seeing and i really had a moment of immense gratitude where i i tried to think like be in this moment right now you're hearing this song which is really giving you a good feeling you're looking out at all this beauty like this is your life it's happening right now i know i just gotten done recording with you i was on my way to do a tv shoot i tend to live always either in what just happened or what is about to happen but i really had one of those moments because of montana public radio of thinking be here now luke like this is your life and try to be present for it so anyway i'm a fan yeah this is less philosophical than that last

part you said but like i know intellectually why radio stations need especially public radio stations that again about you know 20 25 years ago many of them decided to stop doing split format That either works.

We're going to be all talking news or we're going to go and just be jazz or classical. And, you know, most of those stations decided to go with news. And I understand why, like, an eclectic format doesn't necessarily make the most sense from, like, a business standpoint and from a listening standpoint for, like, you want to appeal to people who they know what to expect when they turn on the radio, right? But my head knows that. But this is why I would be a bad program director unless I'm ever applying to be a program director, in which case I would be a great program director boss. But I don't worry. Spotify will pull this down eventually. So there'll be no record of it. I used to I used to think that that was my career track. Right. Like to be a program director, probably a small market station, maybe work my way to a bigger market station. But the thing is, what my heart wants, what my ears want, is the eclectic, less polished radio where you don't know what's going to happen. You mentioned that they went into some song that maybe wasn't completely for you and it seemed somewhat random and it might not have been like the last song that they played. Like, I will listen to so much music that I don't necessarily care for if I don't know what's up next. And also, it'll make me discover songs that I would have never heard otherwise. Like, I love, like, well, no, I don't want to call out any particular stations, but even, like, some AAA stations, like, they are fun, and there's an exploration of listening to different DJs, and you don't know what they're going to play, but there's still, like, there's still sort of, like, maybe a mainstream accountability to them in a certain way, even if they're playing kind of alternative tracks and whatnot, but, like, this is the hip-hop show, or this is the funk show, or whatever, which is good. that's you know there's a long history of that and in college radio and everything but like the idea of it being like totally random you're like well i don't think i like what i'm hearing right now but i'm gonna wait three minutes because i'm dying to see what they're gonna do next like that is so appealing to me and you actually hearing it on the um airwaves is really appealing this idea of somebody didn't say to you hey check out this podcast and you went and you downloaded it and you said i am ready to listen to this podcast now you just turned on the radio and You're like, what is this wackadoo shit?

Yeah, I'm looking at the lineup for Montana Public Radio, and they're playing Morning Edition, but then they go into something called Poetry Moment, then at 9.05 a.m. Morning Classics, and then at 11 a.m. it turns into Friday Freeforms, which just means play whatever music you want. Then there's something called Christy the Wordsmith Jumps in at 12.57 p.m And it just It really made me feel like a Montanan If that makes any sense Just because of how Everybody on the radio didn't have the most polished radio voice But they sounded like real people And yeah And even though the music, like I said Some of the songs that they were playing The one that I was hearing yesterday that had me scratching my head Was like, it almost seemed like it was a children's song To teach children about how families can all be different Oh But it felt like something like it was rafi or like it was that's why i was like wait this is they're playing this at 4 45 in the afternoon like i could see them playing some bob seger or some indigo girls or something that seems you know popular to a wide enough audience this was like almost seemed like they were just playing this random song about like teaching kids that a family can look like anything which by the

way i support as an idea did it go i wish i had that music here because i really cannot you know I am so – I cannot – like, if I'm singing a song in my head and then I open my mouth to translate it, it's like, wow, I'm nowhere near that song. Not only can I not, like, kind of sing, but I just can't even translate music. It'll bounce around my head like I think it sounds on the tape, and then it comes out of my mouth, and I am nowhere near it.

Isn't – I mean, this is going to be the most stoner-sounding conversation of all time. But isn't it weird that you can hear we can our brain can perfectly recreate the sounds that we hear inside of our brain. But we're totally incapable of making those with our mouths. Like our brain is able to like play the song exactly as it sounds when Steve Malchemist records it on Crooked Rain Crooked Rain. Like you can do that in your brain, but you just absolutely can't do it with your with your with your vocal cords.

Can I, I'm going to take this to a weird place right now, because I know I'm not the most articulate person in the world, but what I just said was even less articulate than I wanted it to be. This is a real question, and this isn't me, like, trying to challenge, but, you know, I have used the phrase in the past tone deaf when talking about somebody's, you know, inability to maybe read a room, right? Like, hey, boy, you just came in and you dropped this comment on us, and we were all talking about something else. That was a pretty tone deaf move. And I've received notes from listeners saying, hey, that's not – we don't say that anymore because that's not something we say because it's insulting to the hard-of-hearing community. And I've thought about that, and it's one of those where it's like, huh, it's kind of hard for me to – the reasoning there but okay so i've just tried to strike that from i've tried to strike that just because it's like okay well i'm i'll listen you know i'm listening um and i've thought about it and it's lived in my head a lot but then my second question is and this is a legit question if we are if we are going to get on board with that does that mean the entire term tone deaf can't be used also when you're talking about music because what i wanted to say there was i'm tone deaf but i didn't mean it in the in the idiom way like i am tone deaf in that way too i guess but um no not to make a joke out of this but for real like do we not say it at all even in music is it not a musical term right i guess it would be if you were just i mean putting you

on the spot i'm not saying that you know what no i'm you know email me i'm right i'm trying to yeah i'm trying to think of a better a way to describe not being not being particularly great at holding A tune or at identifying tones In a way that didn't sound like It was sort of dismissive of people who were Deaf or hard of hearing I'm um I'm bad At tone wait that doesn't work We are bad at tone too like you point out A lot of the times on the show you actually can't say

That actually in the idiom way that I was describing Before this guy walked into the room And he can't you know again I think you can't Read a room is fine I think maybe Saying he's not good with tone is good

Suffer from dyslexia can you Reading a room is that you know the people who are let's let you know deal with issues around literacy i mean would that be and i'm not i'm not trying to create like a straw man argument of you can't say anything but it does feel like if you a lot of things that we're saying if you break them down to their components is probably something in there that's not particularly great yeah and and you know and again like me at

the risk of i'm not trying to be somebody who is unthoughtful about these things or just saying hey if somebody told me once that that this is a term we don't use anymore like I I try to think about it and I might let me put it this way I try to be thoughtful and so if I'm thinking that this is a term that people don't like hearing I won't use it it doesn't mean I always agree with the reasoning though and I think that's okay I can privately not agree with the reasoning and say I don't think that adds up but also I don't have to go on a microphone and and like kind of push back on that as if like I don't have the ability to communicate you know what I mean like there are a lot of words and I I have a lot of time offered to me to talk to people on the podcast so I try not to make a big deal of things or make it seem like oh we're under fire you can't say anything anymore because I truly truly don't believe that but I do you know I think I've mentioned this maybe in passing on the show before too but like now this was a specific rhetorical point I was trying to make and I was trying to spoof it up a little bit too but I was talking about an old boss of mine who was bragging years and years and years ago about how many books he was reading in a summer but he was listening to them on his drive-in right um and they were audiobooks and i remember saying like hey let's just use the right verbs that was my argument at the time like let's just use the right verbs you listened to a book or you read a book and uh people wrote like yeah now that's kind of ableist and i heard from teachers and all kinds of people who were like real like listeners who were all super kind like nobody was like hey you you insensitive a-hole they were all just like hey you know kind of like you like luke kind of yeah i'm gonna call you in on something here like you know and i remember thinking like that the logic doesn't make sense though we have verbs you can say listen or read like if there's a stigma attached to listening to audiobooks let's get rid of the stigma let's not pretend we don't know what words mean and we can use different verbs depending on how we consume a book, if that makes sense. I'm a little bit rambly. But then I started to, it was one of those things where people were writing in from a lot of different kind of sources and corners. And I was like, eh, that doesn't add up to me. That doesn't add up to me. But then I just like sat on it for so long, not interacting with these folks, just thinking about it myself and kind of arguing until I argued to a point where I'm like, no, I think they're right. You know, and it took me weeks to get there. And I didn't have to make a big deal of it. I didn't have to go on the radio and be like, I'm under fire, Luke. It was just like one of those things. And the reason I think the thing that finally got me there is somebody said – I'm trying to think if somebody said this or if this is something I came to myself or both. But, like, if you have a friend who uses a wheelchair and you're going to say, hey, we're going to go for – hey, you want to go for a walk? You would just say, hey, do you want to go for a walk? You wouldn't get, like, all pedantic and say, well, you're technically using wheels, so therefore I'm not going to use the verb walk. Like, that would be incredibly asshole stupid behavior, right? And in a certain way, it's like, OK, well, yeah, sometimes we just know what it means. And if there's somebody who's unsighted or can't can't actually read the words on a page for some reason and they've listened to an audio book and they say, yeah, I read that book.

Like, why would I decide, like, I'm going to make a stance and be like, no, you didn't. You know, so anyway, that's an example.

Really? I know that I keep bringing it up, but it says I was reading it in the last couple of weeks.

this, and sometimes listening to it, Andrew, this Michael Scher book, How to Be Perfect, The Correct Answer to Every Moral Question. And it's, I think you would find it really intriguing, Andrew, because what he does is he just sort of goes through, like, how do you be a good person in this world? Because even when you're being, trying to be a good person, you can end up sort of, you know, you can end up being, like, doing things with the intention of being inclusive and thoughtful and a good person, and you can end up in a very different destination than you sort of set out to be and all these philosophers over time have like looked at this and kind of put their like particular spin on it and he kind of goes through and and and distills like he just kind of distills down the basic arguments of all these different people so it's sort of like philosophy 101 but also the book is pretty funny but it really has me thinking about kind of morality and stuff different and i guess i would say the big takeaway from this book is you just got to keep trying like that's the thing you're and just the act of trying to be a good person there's value there and even though you're going to get things wrong and even though you're going to you know say something and then two years later realize I shouldn't have said that or that wasn't the right way to put it like the the goal is not really to be perfect the goal is to just constantly challenge yourself to try to do better and I mean that's that's really all we can do in this life right is to just keep at it keep trying to be better keep messing up and then keep you know learning from those mess ups and then doing it different and then going forward you know that's That's really the only thing because it's impossible to nail it all of the time.

And again, boy, now I'm starting to make it sound like I'm some sort of a hero here. But just going back to that example of when people first started calling me out on that one like audio book example. And like, you know, in my head, I dug in, you know, like I got entrenched in my argument. And I'm just glad that I didn't engage in it. You know what I mean? And I'm glad that I didn't write back and say, well, what about this, this, this and this? And like, I know that there's an argument for somebody might be listening and just thinking, but there's also an argument for having tough discussions and sometimes pushing back and not just acquiescing immediately. If somebody says I'm offended by that, I understand wanting to have some sort of, I don't know, thoughtful, vigorous debate. I mean, I was obnoxious when I was in my 20s. I just wanted to debate everything all the time. but I also I think the older I get the more I'm like well what's the harm in just listening even if I don't agree even if I maybe have a private conversation with Genevieve like what do you think about this we both love words you know and and to have those conversations privately or just even mentally there's no harm in that and like I'm just looking back like I guarantee you that the type I think I've said this to you before this is pretty sad but like my goal in life is just not to have too many regrets right like because that's what keeps me up at night it's it's usually not something somebody else did that keeps me up at night if i'm up at night it's me remembering something that i said that i regret and i hate it i hate it so bad those intrusive

thoughts so if i can just good that you don't host a one to seven podcasts yeah but this all

it's all scripted though so i know i'm always on safe territory but like like it's just like one of those things where i just like entrenching and not being thoughtful and not just taking like time to think it through you're not going to have any regrets about that like i'm never going to wake up in the middle of the night and being like boy i wish i had sent a a sharp retort with yeah with some sort of logical solution to this just like no that's the type of thing we're going to wake up i'm like oh why did why was i on the wrong side of that or why did i come off so harshly like just listen maybe just be quiet and you're not going to have any regrets yeah the only

really the worst thing that you could do a person could do would be to have something presented to them and then to immediately get defensive and shut down and just not even entertain the conversation it's like you can entertain the conversation you can think about it and then you can arrive at the conclusion that you're you stand by whatever it was you said or you're you you know you may not agree with the person who's calling you in that's you know you have the right to arrive at that conclusion the only bad the only bad version of these events would just be not even hearing the conversation you know just shutting down and being like nope and that's of course what unfortunately a lot of us are doing all the time when it comes to these broader conversations you know about politics and culture and all kinds of things um is i mean you and i shut down andrew but it's only because we know we're right we know we're on the right side of these issues and so it's it's acceptable when we do it i've never been wrong as you'll see in this week's newsletter all right let's take a break and then when we come back i want to tell you what the folks in Minnesota have been doing more than anybody else in the country involving a very popular online activity going on right now. So stay with us. This right here, this is TBTL. Let's thank some donors of the day. These people are just the morality that these people have demonstrated is so spot on. I said it's impossible to get it perfect, but these people have gotten it exactly perfect, Andrew, because their donations each month are what allow our show to continue. Folks like Michelle Zeitler Out there in Arlington, Massachusetts Thank you, Michelle

I'm literally waving at you I'm waving east right now I don't know if you can see me

Tracy Ling is in Linwood, Washington Could you wave north? Is that north?

I was going to say south Okay, wait, hold on Linwood, you love Linwood I know, but I'm just so bad with directions I get everything confused

Well, that's unfortunate Because I am also horrible at directions It's amazing that you and I have traveled the continent as much as we have and made it to our destination.

I think you're better than me, though. You, me, and Genevieve all claim to be really terrible at, like, kind of just directionality. Not just, like, not following directions, but just kind of, like, instinctively knowing where you are in relation to something else. But honestly, of the three of us, I think that you're the best. No offense to Vives, but I think I'm slightly better than her. I think that my spatial reasoning is slightly better than hers. I have to tell you something.

very embarrassing this is like this is what almost cost jared goff what certainly cost jared goff his dignity and maybe his career famously i think it was hbo's hard knocks was profiling the los angeles rams i watched this and i believe jared goff uh was caught misremembering where The sun rises

Like if it rises in the east or the west He just didn't know he just had no idea Right wasn't that it or did he just Get the wrong answer I can't remember

Well so When I was in Hawaii Becca and I Hiked up this thing called Cocoa Head And it was this like Really really steep Crazy hike up these like railroad Ties basically to the top of this This big hill And we were hiked up there early In the morning so we could watch the sunrise And I had like the compass on my phone So I had figured out which direction was west and which was east And I noticed that people were really congregating On the side of the hill that faced the east And I was like, what are these dummies thinking? And I told Becca, we've got to go over to the other side of this hill So we can see the sunrise So we went over to the side that was facing west And we're the only people sitting on the west side of Cocoa Head until it occurred to me that the sun rises in the east and i was like so humiliated that i had momentarily forgotten where the i think what i was thinking was the sun sets in the west so sometimes if it's like you know i don't know a nice day or something i'm trying to find some westward facing hill so i can watch the sunset but i got it mixed up i got my sunsets and my sunrises mixed up and becca just being generally agreeable was kind of going along with it and And I was like, all of a sudden I realized, oh, there's 30 people on the other side of this hill for a reason.

That's the key there.

Well, and that's – Go ahead. That also just speaks to like my own just – for a person who's as insecure as I am, I'm also overly cocky about weird things. Like why would I think that 30 people had it wrong and I had it right? Like why would that be where my brain went instead of just being like there's probably some wisdom in this crowd of people who are doing something else? So the good news was we figured out and went over to the correct side of Cocoa Head. And, of course, it was cloudy and no one saw the sunrise. So it was kind of immaterial.

You should have been by yourself then. Just enjoyed the comfort of not being in a crowd. Now, can you save yourself here by at least knowing what division your own football team is in? Because that's the only other thing I remember from Hard Knocks. I watched two seasons of Hard Knocks. I remember Goff didn't know, like, the sun always rose in the same direction or something like that. And then, was it Tannehill or somebody? Somebody was a rookie, and I think it might have been Tannehill. And somebody was talking to him about, like, the division that the Dolphins were in or something. And he didn't have a concept of divisions? Really? Or he didn't know. I think people were surprised that he wouldn't know what all the team's divisions are or something like that. Which is that I mean, is that right? Would a quarterback have to know every division's team or every team's division?

I don't think they I mean, it's not necessary for them to do their job, but it just I guess it would be odd because you would assume that someone who's a quarterback at the NFL level is just steeping in NFL information all the time. And so you just sort of learn all that stuff. But I mean, I don't you don't need to know that to throw a back shoulder pass to somebody like you don't need to know that the Rams are in the NFC West. Like that does not impact your ability to do your job. But it would seem kind of odd if you didn't if you didn't know that kind of a thing.

Well, first of all, as you like to say, Luke, it's an Andrew W. Friday because yes, I nailed this. It was Tannehill. It was on hard knocks. The thing that astounds me is this is the 2012 season of Hard Knocks. I didn't think I was even that into football in 2012. Like 2012, I was already watching Hard Knocks. Anyway, it says, last night on the HBO series, Tannehill told backup Dolphins QB, or as I call them, QB, Matt Moore, that he doesn't know what division each team is in. I'm so lost on whole divisions, Tannehill said. I know our division, and that's about it. Well, I mean, if you know your own division, I don't think that's that scandalous.

I'm trying to think, and we're not going to do this right now because we've got to thank these donors of the day, but I'm trying to think, could I off the top of my head name most of the teams in the different divisions?

I would definitely get confused with some AFC, NFC stuff, I think.

I think I'm pretty good with if a team is in the AFC versus the NFC, but where I might get into some trouble is, are they in the, like, NFC East? Are they in the NFC Central? Also, is there an NFC Central?

Is that a thing? No. North and South. East and West.

You have NFC West, the NFC East, the NFC South, and then the NFC North?

Yeah, I could do, and I won't, but I think I could do three divisions and that's it. I could do NFC West, obviously, because that's the Seahawks. I could do AFC North because that's the Browns. And I think at this point I could do NFC North because that's Vikings and Green Bay. I guess Lions.

The fact that I thought there was an NFC Midwest is a bad sign for me completing this thought experiment. You know what? I should go back to thanking the donors because at least I have a list in front of me. Next on the list is our friend Emily Mann in Tucson, Arizona. Thank you, Emily. Tyler Nemi is in Longview, Washington. I've been spending much more time In the greater Longview area Than I had previously Because I bought that little cottage That's down kind of north It's in southern Washington And it's brought me into contact With Longview, Washington

So I should be waving south here

Wave south To Tyler And then Colin Seymour Is in Seattle, Washington So that's just where you spin in a circle

I'm just going to spin in a circle and wave If you can take it from here.

Okay. All right. Don't get too dizzy. And also, spare a thought for Mark Braithwaite, who's also in Seattle, Washington. So this spinning around waving is really for both Colin and Mark. I literally do. So thanks to both. Are you dizzy?

I am a little dizzy, but I'm wrapped up in cables. But it's worth it.

Totally worth it. Hey, thanks to all of our donors of the day. Thanks for making TBTL possible. We would not be here without you.

Thank you, baby. But everything's gonna be all right

Thank you, baby

Hello and welcome to Top Story.

All right, our top stories today. the state of Minnesota apparently has a I don't know if contest is the right way to describe it but each year when they roll out some new snow plows they let the residents of Minnesota nominate names for the snow plows and then they get upvoted and then that's how the names are picked I was a little off on this I tweeted this list out today actually it got a lot of interaction I think it had like 170 likes or something probably mostly people telling me that i'm wrong about because what i said was the minute like i would put the minnesota department of transportation up against any la comedy writers room because of how great some of these snowplow names are although i guess it's not really the department of transportation it's the citizens of minnesota so tip of the cap to all of the minnesotans who nominated some of these things and then who voted on this but the class of 2022 uh involves uh let's see one two three four five six seven eight new snow plows one named edward blizzard hands pretty good that's great yes blizzard of oz decent the big laplowski that's what i like yes uh betty white out because of course we always once a day somebody has to reference betty white now That's a law that was passed recently. Oh, this is good. I go after a kid who wrote a library book. You're going to go after Betty White. We're going to be the most popular show on the internet.

I loved Betty White's contribution to the culture. She was an unbelievably – and you know what I really did like about Betty White, which I didn't fully grasp this until after she had passed and there were all the remembrances, but she also somehow managed to kind of not be problematic ever, which when you've been on earth as long as she was, it would have been very impossible for her to have bad takes in the 1940s.

And I'm sure you read the whole story about how she's I can't remember the person's name, but she like insisted on having a black man on one of her TV shows, even though there's a lot of pushback from the network. And this goes way, way back. Did you read all of that?

Yeah. And she also was, I mean, a fierce defender of animals and animal welfare, probably at a time in this country when that also wasn't such a big concern. You know, people probably treated animals. We don't treat animals great all the time But she just seemed like somehow she was ahead of all of the curves So anyway, I love Betty White But I'm just saying I'm not surprised to find out That there was a Betty White reference on this list You've also got Plowasaurus Rex Which I give a medium to Scoop Dog Which I like, Scoop Dog's decent And then we're getting into My two favorite No more Mr. Ice Guy That's perfect, yes No more Mr. Ice Guy I was able to hear that Alice Cooper song

No More Mr. What, Clean? No More Mr. Freeze? I don't know, because in the real song I never know, when I'm singing it in my head I always sing No More Mr. Clean But I know it's not No More Mr. Clean I'm not joking, I don't

That's an Alice Cooper song, right?

I'm not sure that sounds about right I think so, I think I learned that recently

And then my favorite, my absolute favorite, Andrew On the list for the Class of 2022 Snow Plows Control Salt Delete Oh! That is That is great.

That is really good. You're right, it's Alice Cooper. The only slight quibble I would have with this list is I was expecting a little bit more localism. You know, Lebowski is so, you know, that's kind of West Coast, right? Wait, Lebowski. Yeah, that's California. He wanted one of these snowplows to be named a Heggie's Pizza or something. Or some Prince reference or, you know, Husker don't snow here. I don't know. I'm not saying that I have any better ideas. That's pretty good, actually. Husker do.

Can we make that a show title? Husker don't snow here. Or something. I mean, Husker don't tread on me. What? Oh, no. Now that gets weird. Now that gets weird. Like we're trying to make that argument. Well, Andrew, on the subject of localism, I've got good news for you. They also apparently let in Vermont, they let the various schools, they let the students name. They have something called the Name a Plow program. In fall 2021, schools from around Vermont came up with names for the Vermont Transportation snow plows in their local maintenance districts. From creative to clever to cute and silly. Here are the new names of the Vermont trans plows that will be serving their communities this year. I don't think this is from the Vermont transportation website Well first of all Andrew I am just shocked at how long this list is It goes on and on and on and on Which I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Vermont apparently has like 200 snow plows working

Oh true small state but a lot of snow

So much snow and therefore so many snow plows Like I can't this list is incredibly long um but uh and it kind of it it kind of ranges from the schools where they they just named it something sort of aspirational or something that was a kind of a i don't know what the word is i'm looking for here but like for instance um bart the barton graded school in barton vermont they decided to name their snowplow eye of the tiger for some reason but then you have like the Bakersfield Elementary and Middle School in Bakersfield, Vermont, they went with Jennifer Snowpads. I saw that one. I like that.

That's up my alley.

Or like Berlin Elementary School in Berlin, Vermont, went with Yo Bro No Snow.

I think it's pronounced Berlin up there.

Oh, okay. That's what they went with, Yo Bro No Snow. Or let's see here. The Brewster Pierce Memorial School in Huntington, Vermont, went with yogi yogi just nice name yeah so i'm i'm curious about what the group think was like for the ones that actually had that actually got a pretty funny name let's see let me try to find

one here i do like jennifer snope snope has We'll be right back. That's it, right, Jennifer Snopes. I like that one a great time. But you know me. I like my wordplay.

How about this one? The homeschooling students of Ripton, Vermont, went with William Scrapespear.

Eh, not bad. I thought that was pretty good. Scraping, yep. Yep, I'll take it.

How about the JFK Elementary School in Winooski, Vermont? They went with the JFK, because that's the name of their school. But the plow is called Snow You Didn't.

Yeah, I like that. See, that's, yeah, because, no, you didn't. I mean, it actually, that, ugh, Plowy McPlow face. You're not going to like that.

I know, but they're kids, Andrew. Haven't you honestly started enough beef with the children of America?

But that's literally, like, the template of the type of joke that you don't, because, remember, what was the ice-breaking boat? Boaty McBoat face. Yeah, exactly. It's just like, okay, whatever. I like the randomness of the one that comes after that, though. Spooky the square pumpkin? like that's like your montana public radio like sure what let's get weird how about the lake

champlain waldorf school in shelburne vermont that went with ice will pay the price oh that sounds like a thing ivan drago would say to rocky i know in a movie or pay the iron ice i don't know but so again i'm curious about the like some of these schools clearly there's like a person or a small group of people who were like funny kids and they like had an idea and then they got the whole school to vote on it and they got a funny name nominated and then other places they just kind of went i thought this was decent mid vermont christian school in hartford went with

darth blader uh-huh that's not bad it's kind of good i also like the person uh the personal touch on this one the the really speaking to their personal experience harwood middle school named that snow day dream crusher in other words they don't they don't they want their snow days as students but the snow day dream crusher is the plow that comes and clears the road so the buses

can get them to school see that's a that's high concept yeah like i wonder who who had that idea and then how did they sell the whole school on voting for that uh-huh um oh i liked uh i don't know how you say the name of this town but or this place okemo or okemo mountain school in Ludlow, Vermont, they named the plow Snow Big Deal. Yep, that's good. I thought it was kind of good. And then, let me see, I have a couple of... Again, this list is so long. There was a lot of Star Wars on here. There was a lot of Obi-Wan, Cosnoby. Oh yeah, I saw that one. I like that. Rutland Intermediate School and Rutland went with Luke Snow Walker, which I feel like is kind of stretching. Like, it doesn't really do better. Rutland Intermediate School. I feel like the joke is kind of a stretch Edgar Allen Snow is good

From Montpelier

And then let's see Maple Creamy Cruiser Which kind of just makes me hungry That was Swanton Elementary School in Swanton And then When you were growing up Did you get snow days in Ohio And did you do that thing where you'd be like Listening to the radio Just praying they were going to say Your district was closed

Radio and television. I think there was a crawl on the bottom of the local news that would just go on forever because we grew up out in the country with, you know, windy country roads that, you know, everybody had a plow out there. But like it was more like, you know, just people with plows going out and plowing their own country roads or whatever. So a big snow would shut things down, like, in the whole county. So, like, we would get these crawlers along the bottom of the TV just waiting to see Liverpool Elementary School. Come on, Liverpool. Or maybe it would just list it as the Buckeye school system or something, but my God. And you would just wait and wait and wait. And you're, like, sort of half getting dressed but also, like, kind of slow walking it, hoping that you're not actually going to be going to school that day.

i i wonder if kids kids these days i wonder if that's less of a thing because probably now you just check your school district's twitter feed yeah i'm sure yeah and i'm not i'm not even email yeah right yeah you get in there's like you can just probably know pretty quickly if the school is going to be closed or open but that was you know growing up in the 80s that was the thing is just for me to be listening to probably probably cairo radio in the morning and just hanging on every word uh to to hear if you know um seattle public schools were going to be closed on that particular day or whatever and that was like when they would say the name of your school or your district you'd just be like sometimes it'd be like half day or they'd be like two hours late you'd just be so devastated you just wanted you wanted to hear that your district was closed and you could go out and and play in the snow um there's another story out of minnesota or at He's referring to Minnesota today, Andrew, which is Twitter went and analyzed which places, what states were tweeting the most. about wordle and the top of the list the state where they were tweeting the most so therefore i guess the theory goes the place where they're the most into wordle is minnesota

i don't know if i have a feeling about that is that surprising to you what would you guess if if i just set it up like hey luke what state do you think is most engaged with wordle

at least publicly i would think maybe new york or massachusetts and i have no strong argument for that but it just those seem like places where a lot of people who care about words live yeah no i'm with you yeah yeah um but it's minnesota and then second place was wisconsin which peace and love to our wisconsinites but i mean i wouldn't have expected that wisconsin regularly leads the nation in alcohol consumption per capita which i wouldn't see as the same group of people that would be obsessed with wordle but apparently they are and then the pacific northwest is also huge washington and oregon are very big on wordle and then uh less big states in the south which you know we have wonderful listeners living in the south so i don't want to i don't want to like sort of embrace any kind of an unfair stereotype um but that is to the degree that you can believe this data is indicates anything um that's what the data i mean again they're they're not tracking how many people logged into wordle they're tracking how many people tweeted about exactly

maybe in the south they're just wordles not shirtles you know what i'm saying like maybe they just that's the show title they just keep their their their results to themselves they're actually the coolest region when it comes yeah you know what that's a really good way i'm

writing down wordles not shirt i'll just write it down over here i'm a wordle not a shirtle um uh that's that's a really good way to look at it maybe everybody in the south is just loving wordle and playing it and defying whatever hurtful stereotypes might exist but they just don't need to brag about it now whenever this kind of stuff comes up on the show andrew i feel like you and i have to be very careful because we have the incredible privilege of getting to basically put our little thoughts out to the world for our job and so there is no lack of me getting to Have attention paid to me in my life Because all of my jobs involve at some level Me saying hey over here Pay attention to me and then Some number of people do so I don't want to hate On people who are posting their wordle results But I have to say It's like I don't care about Anyone's they're like dreams Andrew Nobody cares about your wordle unless They're in them like I don't care about Anyone's wordle result I don't even care about mine that much but like again i guess i have the luxury of of getting of having a lot of people paying attention to me a lot of the time so i don't wordle is not the place where i need to express my my um my worth

to the world it does not bother me um a couple of thoughts you kind of like in fact i kind of like it the um i'm going to say this to make you feel bad like there's a there's a uh slack channel in the tbtl slack channel that's just hashtag games and so everybody's posting their wordle scores there which i really like that because that's contained right you go there for that kind of

interaction like that seems like kind of the best that sounds fun to me for all the for all of the tbtl listeners to be kind of going hey i got it in three i got it in two right whatever i like that

and then there's conversation about it without spoilers like i actually like the community aspect of that you know when i'm scrolling through twitter there are a that's one thing i've been thinking about is why is the posting of somebody's wordle score so annoying to some people i was having brunch a couple of weeks ago with our dear friend libby and she's like no i'm not playing wordle like hard eye roll so sick of seeing it on twitter and it's like i scroll through so much bullshit on twitter every day that i don't you know what i mean like is everybody reading every tweet like there's so much stuff there's sponsored content like why are these like not that hard to look at little green squares driving people crazy i kind of i kind of don't get the backlash against it now having said that i'm not posting my wordle score on twitter but i like sharing it with Genevieve every day Genevieve will tweet her results or text her results to me first and then I'll take a stab at it and I usually beat her because I'm pretty smart um and so we kind of keep it in the family but it is fun to once you know how you fared yourself it is sort of fun to try to figure out other people's journeys and like where you know where you fit into it yeah

you know what I have to say also if I ever got a whirl in like two tries I would it would be really hard for me to not tweet the result out I think part of why I don't do it is because I have never had a very good result I haven't had anything worth bragging about so maybe that's my resentment like also it's interesting how there just will be a certain day where like everyone seems to be getting it in two yes that happened the other day and then there was

I think there was something that happened yesterday the word I saw tweets saying women were going to get this one really fast for some reason I don't remember what the word was but somebody was saying on Twitter that like this was some experience that many women have had and therefore they thought that women were going to like nail this one quicker this on this particular day because of some kind of lived experience.

Oh, I don't remember yesterday's. I thought it was yesterday or the day before that it was like one of those words where everybody got the, was it like IGHT, but it could have been too many things. It seemed like early on everybody thought, I'm going to get this in two, but then they realized that there are too many options. It could be night. It could be fight. Maybe I'm getting it slightly off there, but there is a mentality to it, and it's fun to check in on other people's experiences. The more I talk about this, the more I do find it interesting what other people's journeys are, because, like, you can have this setup where it's like, oh, my gosh, I have the last four letters. This is going to be simple. But then suddenly you realize, oh, there are, like, 15 different results here, and it can take you down to the very last turn. I don't know. It's exciting.

Yeah. I had that happen to me this morning. I had, like. I got it in three. I got it in four. Hold on. I'm going to post it on Twitter.

i would never post it on twitter but i'd say it on my podcast well that's what i'm saying

anytime i are i roll other people kind of wanting to share their experience with the wider world in a way that i think is a little basic i have to remember that five days a week we get on we get on this thing and we just share our banal observations and thoughts and experiences yep so i have absolutely no room to talk all right let's do a little music for your weekend uh before we get out of here what song would you like to share with the what song would you like to share 11

seconds of with the listeners believe it or not as conservative and scared as I am of getting hollered at when it comes to playing music in the space now I have I have to play two little snippets Luke because and I know that you're in a little bit of a hurry here so I'll try to keep this short but Cat Power has a new album out right and I don't know a few weeks old or something and It's another album of cover songs. She's done this several times before. I want to say this is her third or fourth album of cover songs. It's an interesting art form for her because she takes these songs and she makes them her own. And there was one I was listening to that was okay. It didn't totally – it wasn't my favorite one on the album. But then I was reading a review of the album later and let's say it was Pitchfork. The writer was saying how interesting her song choices were, including a song that I had listened to already a couple of times at this point and hadn't paid much attention to. by the original song was by dead man's bones and do you remember dead man's bones i don't think so um it is you know i told myself a million times today to write down the actor's name um because i was going to forget it once i'm on the podcast i it's uh ryan gosling dang it i should have had to look that up i knew this i was ready for this conversation but i don't think i ever heard of

this when it was happening. This is one of those

actors, I have a band projects that goes, I think this album came out in 2007, Dead Man's Bones. I don't know if it was self-titled or what. Looks like it came out in 2009, actually. It's called Dead Man's Bones, and I think it's somewhat of a concept album where it's about, I think, aliens that are coming down to Earth. I don't know. If there's any huge Dead Man's Bones Ryan Gosling fans out there, and I've got this all wrong, my apologies.

Wait, can I just tell you something really fast? I'm on the Wikipedia page for this band. It's two people. It's Ryan Gosling and Zach Shields. When Shields and Gosling met in 2005, they discovered a mutual obsession with the haunted mansion ride at Disneyland. Were you going to say all this stuff? No, no, go ahead. Go ahead. Because I read this a while back. I had forgotten this detail. Zach was so preoccupied with ghosts as a kid that he was put into therapy, and Gosling's parents moved out of his childhood home because they believed it was haunted.

What?

Neither one of them had outgrown their fascination with graveyards or things deathly. They decided to write love stories about ghosts and monsters.

That's the origin story for Dead Man's Bones. So maybe this is, I thought there was an alien connection here, but maybe I'm wrong about that. I'm not exactly sure what the whole theme of this album is, but you're right. Based on the name of it and everything you said, it sounds like it's maybe a little bit more ghostly than alien-y. but it's an album that is a little bit of a what's the word I'm looking for uh we use the word a lot when describing like kind of a an album that's not just a concept album but a bit of a bit of a novelty is the word I'm looking for right um but they take it seriously and then and then Cat Power has done a cover of one of their songs and so that made me interested in Cat Power's version but I went back and I listened to the original and even though the vocals are not that strong, like the lead vocals on this song called Pop Pop Power I actually like the

original um arrangements of this better yeah i like the dead man's bones arrangement better because it's got luke it breaks every rule of music because it's got like it's got a kid's

chorus in it so here i think that's the silver lake conservatory children's oh yes i believe i

forgot i read about this a couple of weeks ago so i'm gonna sneak a little bit of this i'm gonna have to play for you the cat power version too because i want you to hear them next to each other and what she does with it but this is the original which i'm a little fascinated by

Burn the streets, burn the cars, po-po-power, po-po-power Please make me as a broken glass, broken hearts, po-po-power, po-po-power Please make me as a broken glass, broken hearts, po-po-power, po-po-power

I love the chorus of kids.

That's the piano song I couldn't think of.

Oh my God, that would be amazing. I believed you for a second.

God, I wish there would be such a neat ending to that whole thing.

It would be amazing. But I love a kid's chorus singing, We Will Not Destroy You. Like, that is so weird to me. Again, the lead vocals are a little weak. That's my only problem with it. But, like, I don't know. Anyway, I got to play what brung me here. So this is Cat Power's version of it. And it's just interesting how she kind of takes it and makes it her own. And she always does.

On the streets, on the coast I'm wild Broken glass But what about A broken heart Please make me better Please make me powerful Run the streets on the cross Power

Anyway, Cat Power's new album is called Covers. If you want to check it out. Oh, man, that was really good.

Which do you like better?

You're a big Cat Power person.

That's a tough call. I'm glad you played both of them because I love Cat Power, obviously, and so I love her voice. If I had never heard the other version, I would just be down with the cat power version, but there's something about the kids singing and the piano that kind of like sort of spare piano or whatever you want to call it. That's in the dead man's bones version. And I think, I think, I don't know. It's like a tie.

Yeah. I, I'm, I think I'm fascinated. I'm more fascinated by the dead man's bones version. It's like, just, I don't know. A course of kids singing, like just hauntingly dark lyrics really gets me.

i want to call an audible on my uh on my music for your weekend suggestion because i was going to play some ben folds because ben folds came up on the show this week and i was just talking about how i kind of love his i love his like north i think he's from north carolina i love his north carolina accent as i hear in his songs um but you know we were talking who you mentioned who screw do uh today and that made me think i hadn't listened to who screw do in a long time So could we maybe, could we play a Husker Du song? Sure, what do you like? Well, I mean, should we go with Don't Wanna Know, If You're Lonely? I mean, that's like their big one. But maybe we've got some like young listeners who are not, you know, they haven't played in that space. And so that would be kind of a nice way into the, I might have said this on the show many times in the past, but I stayed off of Husker Du for the longest time because of the umlau. Yeah. I thought it was like, I thought they were like Motorhead or something. You know, like I just I saw that umlau and I thought that's going to be hard rock music that I don't. That's going to be some heavy metal. Not for me. And of course, they're an incredibly catchy. They're Minnesota.

Yeah, they're Minnesota. They were. I mean, they definitely got, you know, they definitely got punky. The weird thing is, and I didn't realize this, even though I'm a sugar fan, which is Bob Mould's next band. Husker Do is a big blind spot for me. And I only had one record. And I'm looking now, the record I had was their very, very first one, which was back from 1983. So I wonder if that's even representative of what they kind of ended up settling into. So, like, I couldn't even tell you what their most popular song is. Like, I only know a handful of songs. So I'll tell you.

Take your lead on this one.

All right. Well, let's just play a little Hoosker Doolittle. Don't want to know if you're lonely. This is off of Candy Apple Gray.

I'm curious to know exactly how you are. I'm to my distance, but that distance is too far. It really shook me just to know that you're okay But I don't want you gonna leave me this way And I don't wanna know if I know me

I don't wanna know if I let them know me I don't wanna know if I know me I don't wanna know if I know me

I have to do that, Andrew, so that we've created a new piece of art. That's our solution to the problem.

I forgot about that part of the song where somebody says, Who's good? In the background. Anytime.

This is the new plan. This is how we'll do it. Anytime we're playing music that we may not technically have all the rights to play on the show, I am just going to, every four seconds, play. It doesn't matter what the band is. No, no, no. It doesn't matter. In fact, it's even better if it's not who's good. do and therefore and thereby we will have created a new piece of art which we are allowed to play on the on our little podcast hey our listener suggestion uh comes from listener jamie who says hey guys i feel i've been really feeling the dreariness of the cold wet and dark winter right now and i came across this song that really captured the mood it's by nico case uh it's the song is called i wish i was the moon and jamie says looks like she has some pacific northwest roots too uh you're absolutely right jamie nico case uh lived in tacoma washington for a long time i used to hear her playing and played on local radio they played her a lot on kcmu and kexp and i think our listener one of our listeners bruce uh now in somewhere in the south even like i think he like drew some art he drew the nico case poster one time when nico case was playing oh really club in tacoma and i think gave it to me and i gave it to nico case when we had on Livewire once. Nico has a lot of Seattle and Northwest connections. This song, by the way, is really beautiful. I'm not sure if you're familiar with it, Andrew. I don't think I've ever listened to it and not felt emotional because it's just a gorgeous song. But Jamie says, thanks for playing this, Jamie, in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, a 10-10. And then Jamie says, I'm with you, Luke, on taking sunshine and cold temps in the winter. Having that sunshine out there really makes a difference in my moods too yeah i'm with you well that's why you should move to montana jamie because right now i'm looking out on flathead lake and it is freezing cold and totally clear colorado's like

that too right see i'm the opposite i will take a overcast and even drizzly day if it keeps the

temperatures a little bit warmer well we're all going to kind of just i guess we're going to wallow a little bit in this winter melancholy as we listen to this song by nico case as suggested by listener Jamie in Murfreesboro. So thanks, everyone, for listening this week. That's going to bring us to the end of this week of TBTL. But we'll be back here on Monday with more imaginary radio for you. So please join us for that. Until then, have a great window. I will. And also a great weekend. Stay safe and take care of yourselves. See you on Monday. Until then, please remember, no mountain too tall. And who screwed you?

And bloodless veins As numb as I've become I'm so tired I wish I was the moon tonight Last night I dreamt I'd forgotten my name Cause I sold my soul But I won't just the same I'm so lonely I wish I was the moon tonight Don't you know your directions?

It's real easy west, right, backwards yonder you didn't even see east that's because the earth face east dumbass power out