Muse

God, you get a lot of B-52s. Yes.

I have no idea why I have Fred Schneider's solo album.

Why did I buy this funky little purchase? Is that your Fred Schneider? Yeah. Why did I buy this funky little purchase? We have our own Freds.

Okay.

TBTL! Oh, look at this. What have we got here? Big bad voodoo daddy, we've got some cherry poppin' daddies, lots of daddies.

Are you all afraid? No. Daddy's here for you, my widow angels.

Don't take this the wrong way, but you've just been kind of hanging around a lot lately, which isn't a bad thing, but it's also not a good thing. See you later, suckers. I'm taking myself on a hot air balloon ride.

All right. Hello. Good morning and welcome everyone to a Monday edition of TBTL, the show that just might be too beautiful to live. Oh, yeah. My name is Luke Burbank. I'm your host. I'm a professional. Look it up in the book. Coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center right here in beautiful Portland, Oregon.

Bring it back home, baby. Bring it back home.

It's not super beautiful right now. It's like kind of cloudy, kind of whatever, but I got home from Montana yesterday at, I don't know, maybe 530 or something, and it was an unusually warm Sunday here, I heard. It was still light out, which if I had my bell in here, I would ding it. My bell is still in my backpack from my time in Montana. But the sky was all pink. It wasn't dark yet. It was warm. Oh, ma, pa, it's just beautiful. Maybe it was just the psychosomatic or something, but it felt like I was smelling flowers, things blooming. I mean, again, I don't know if my brain just decided to go all in on this early spring hopes and decided to send something to my nose that was not real. But anyway, it just was like it smelled like spring. It was warm. It was light. And I have to tell you, it was giving me life, as they say. So I am all ready to go here on this Monday morning feeling good, feeling energized, feeling ready for episode 3614 in a collector series. Let the fun begin. Except for one thing. There's only one downside to my wonderful Sunday yesterday, which was that I spent, I don't know, six hours between 5.30 p.m. and 11.30 p.m. listening to indie hits from the mid-2000s trying to figure out what that song was that i heard a piano version on tiktok last week and i can't place what other song has a similar riff in it the listeners have been sending in tons and tons of ideas i've got this you can't hear this over the imaginary radio but i have a healthy stack of printed out emails from listeners with their suggestions anyway we'll try to figure this out it is making me crazy um so the past is history the future is a mystery hopefully we can solve a musical mystery together at some point on this show um and then other news over the weekend joe rogan is rapidly becoming more and more uh what's the word i'm looking for he's the chances that he won't be doing his pod cart at least not on spotify still doing a pod cart seem to have gone from non-existent like there was no way they were going to part a company with him to i don't know i'll be surprised if spotify doesn't cut him loose um because of the part where he said the n-word i think 17 times

that's racist um which last time i checked as a white person it's really not ever okay and certainly not as a white person who's getting paid a hundred million dollars to do your podcast for spotify so we'll get into that time permitting we'll get into all of it with this guy longest running cobro of the show maybe best known for his depictions of the tall ships it's a monday so he's either just feeling absolute calm and uh and feeling relaxed because his garbage has been removed from its garbage cans and now it's back safely at the side of his house. Or he is full of anxiety because the cans are still out there and who knows what's happening. Anyway, he is my friend Andrew Walsh, and he's joining me right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle, Washington. Good morning, my dude. Have you learned nothing, Luke, that life

is not so simple? It's not merely black and white, this or that. What if there's a middle path? What if two out of three bins have been emptied and pulled back to the safety of their behind the fence area. Yet one is still out on the street waiting for that later in the day pickup, as often happens. So I'm not fully relaxed, but I'm not also fully anxious. I'm not distracted. I'm here. I'm present. But as always, things are just always a little bit more complicated. We just need to talk them out.

You're not fully torqued, bro, but you're somewhat torqued.

Hmm. I'm not going to comment on that, honestly.

That isn't how you talk to guys when you go to your 24-hour fitness? Hey, man, are you fully torqued, bro?

I sometimes do talk to them that way, but I don't say that in the microphones because I will hear it again and again and again as somebody will isolate that audio. And so, you know, it's not going to be good for the show. It's not going to be good for TBTL or the podcast industry, as I believe we are. Are we still holding up the podcast industry, do you think, Luke, as TBTL?

with rogan on the way out yeah i would say we're at this point we've moved from the number two podcast in america to the probably the most popular podcast in the country i will tell you this you know the blurs days the last few weeks have been fairly scant which is kind of nice for us because it's just you know less work to the degree that any of this is work and i keep half joking well maybe we have no listeners left i know we have listeners andrew because the amount of emails the number of emails that we've gotten related to this music thing is ridiculous we have at least a thousand listeners because i think that's about how many emails we've gotten in the

last four days even and again now i'm getting emails from people like apologizing for sending them to me and not you but everybody's like but luke doesn't check his emails but can you tell me is this the song is this the song he's thinking of i'm like i don't know here i am i don't know what's going to happen later on today in the segment of the show as as you go through some of these emails Luke but here's what I'm going to do one way or the other you see I have a million emails that I haven't even opened yet here are some of the subject lines that piano song song mystery song um mystery song question mark an out there guess mystery tiktok song song suggestion here's one that's just an emoji of piano keys uh Luke's tiktok song conundrum another possible similar piano tune that music exclamation point that song no exclamation point updated tick tock piano song answer it that's that's not all of them luke that's some of them and i haven't opened any of them and no matter where we land today i am going to click that little that little check box next to each of these and i'm gonna i'm gonna blast them away as my dad would say my dad doesn't check his emails he goes down to his office and he blasts away emails and that's what i'm going to be doing today no offense to the listeners but this just was not my journey well andrew the thing

is this is a bicycle made for two so it is your journey whether whether you wanted to go on it or not i have i don't i don't just don't want to pedal as hard is my point like i'm glad to go where you want to go is one of the positions on a bicycle made for two the kind of more laborious position to be in, I wonder.

That's interesting because you'd...

It seemed like the rear person would be doing more work, but I don't know why I think that. Maybe just because on a conventional bike like I had as a kid, the rear wheel is where the chain goes and is what is propelling the whole thing.

Here's my guess. Whoever has the strongest legs and is doing most of the work is probably doing most of the work. But my guess, and I'll bet you we will hear from listeners, on this this seems like something that would be up their alley that somebody in our audience would have expertise on but if i was looking at two people who were going to be getting on a bicycle built for two and one of them was clearly going to bring more power to the equation i think you would want to put them in front because that would be the best use of power to pull it's easier to

pull things than push things right i'm getting uh mixed results from the internet uh first of all one of the positions on a tandem bicycle i think it would be cuter if they called it bicycle made for two racing in the olympics but i guess they call it tandem cycling i didn't know that was a thing they really do that no i don't know i just i'm sure there's some you know i'm sure that there are very high level competitive tandem bicycle events yeah but i just think it would be cuter if they were called bicycle made for two things um Who works harder on a tandem bicycle? If they both stand, then the tandem can be hard to control unless the captain is much heavier and stronger than the stoker. The power to weight ratio, a tandem with two light riders, feels similar in pace to a single with a heavy rider. Most heavier riders are slower on climbs. That really doesn't help me, except we now know that on a tandem bicycle, there's something called the captain and something called the stoker.

And we don't know whether it's stoker is front or back or if it matters.

It doesn't say in this thing that I just grabbed kind of really at random, and now it also helps that the internet is starting to be a little slow here on this particular computer. I do think, Andrew, while us riding a bicycle made for two seems like it's not going to happen, although I did have flashes of, well, that could be a good TBTL-a-thon week. Luke and Andrew tandem cycle through Europe.

I like the motorcycle sidecar idea a little bit better because there's less pedaling involved. Maybe we can split the difference and do a moped.

You didn't want to do STP. I forgot. You're a hard no on anything where we have to actually cycle anywhere, either connected or on our own special bikes. I was going to say, though, the thing we really need to work out is at the inevitable time when you and I are trying to sneak into some kind of event and we have to dress up like a horse, who's going to be the front of the horse and who's going to be the back of the horse? Because that's there's I'd say there's about a 90 percent chance we'll find ourselves in that predicament at some point.

Wow. 90 percent chance. What have I gotten myself into? I was just thinking over the weekend how lucky I am. I am to have this job. I was getting this sounds very braggy, but I got a lot of nice emails from people just saying, hey, I like the newsletter this week. Just like, hey, very funny. Just people reaching out, just saying, hey, you're a funny guy. Like that is such a nice thing. You know, I'm coming in here on a Monday. Maybe, you know, we all drag ass a little bit on a Monday. I don't know if I can say that. Can we swear on this show?

You better not drag ass when we're trying to ride in that tandem bike competition.

Well, I think we now know that I will be the drag ass of the horse. So there you go. But, like, how nice is it that, like, yes, every now and then we get a complainy email or a cranky tweet or whatever. And, of course, that blows me out of proportion for, like, a week. But during those moments, I need to remember, I also just have a job where people just write in and say, hey, you made me laugh. Like, it's just like I sound so corny, but like when that happens, I honestly take stock like that is such a special goddamn thing. And I don't know how long, you know, I don't know how long we get to do this. We've gotten to do it for a very long time. And I just need to appreciate those moments. So I don't know how I turn this conversation into an earnest, like humble brag. But here we are.

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It was no big deal. I was well, it's actually it's actually kind of interesting that you would mention that about being, you know, grateful that we get to do this for our job, because I was having a similar experience on Friday when I was still in Montana and I was in this Airbnb on the lake. Granted, a frozen lake, but still it was a very picturesque place to be. and i was sitting there talking to you and we're having a fun time and i was just sitting at the dining room table in this in this lake cabin and and the same thought hit me i was like i can't believe that that this is my actual job doing this is work for me and also this now this is where the gratitude is very strange i was like i can't believe the technology supports this this is a very like radio this is like specific to people who've worked in radio um or you know have hosted things or or produced things where the host was remote for the longest time if you wanted to do i'm just going to call this for all intents and purposes a radio show for the longest time if you want to do a radio show if you wanted to host or co-host a show you had to be at the radio station or you had to be at a different radio station uh in a studio or you had to be at your own hundred thousand dollar studio that you'd constructed in your home with a series of of expensive and complicated pieces of equipment and connections and you do any of this yeah and

an isdn line that nobody at the company knows what you're talking about until you just keep

on saying i talked to your manager like four you needed a telos yeah you needed you know like you needed a rack to put your telos in you know it was just all it just it was just a lot and i when i was very

early starting out doing this I always thought wouldn't it be cool if there were some way to to do radio stuff but also be able to have adventures and I was having an adventure last week uh getting to see a part of Montana I hadn't spent much time in going on nature walks with Becca it was a really nice weekend and I was also able to like on Friday do I also interviewed Michael Schur from there I was just able to do my job stuff from this really great location and I felt very grateful that the technology allowed for that because i you know even five years ago i think it would have been i mean we've been using the same system for a while but i feel like it's gotten you know knock wood it's gotten a little more reliable wi-fi in general has gotten better the fact that there's wi-fi in kind of the middle of nowhere montana is you know probably a relatively new development they probably had some kind of dial up or dsl or something you know not that long ago so i just wanted to echo your sentiment andrew that this is a fun job and we are very

lucky to get to do it yeah i um i've been wondering if i should bring this up today because part of me obviously wants to talk about it something big in my life but then also part of me kind of doesn't want to talk about it in too much detail at this point but vives and i have been um out like looking for houses we're looking to move and we're hoping maybe we could even buy something but it's you know as most people know it's an incredible this is a good time to buy in Yeah, it's just an incredibly tough time to buy almost anywhere, but specifically in Seattle. It's just it's it's bananas. And in fact, the woman we're working with, our real estate agent said, like, don't don't talk to any of like your family members who live in different states about the way things work here. They won't believe you. Like, it's just like the stuff that you have to do as a buyer is just they'll think that you're being tooken, but you're not like it's just the way it is here.

like somebody you've either been brainwashed you've either joined a cult or somebody has x-rated pictures of you and they're leveraging you into behaving in a totally unnatural way because it makes no logical sense that i mean portland as well but seattle especially yeah so anyway so i

will say this this is kind of big news in my life and again it probably will not i understand that like the process is you will go and see a million homes you will put an offer on uh a quarter million homes and eventually you will maybe possibly get a house you will go a quarter million over asking

yes on a quarter million homes i think that's um is that fermat's no i'm sorry is that redfin's theorem the red quarter million over on a quarter million homes and you'll eventually get a house

but um we did put our first offer in actually we're doing that today whoa it's happening but like you know don't play the celebratory because again i think that's going to be one of probably many but we did i don't want to talk about i don't want to go into details but like there are you also got that one if you need it captain bummer over here i just don't want to get ahead of ourselves you know what i mean it would be too easy to start picturing your life in a place that you have no guarantee of getting it's just it's i never do that yeah exactly but follow my lead all of this is to say what reminded me of it now probably it's just top of mind obviously because this is a whole process but um uh us talking about doing radio from our homes and from wherever you one of the parts of making an offer now is you have to write a little love letter about the house to the people who are selling it you know about all this luke i don't

think you've ever had to do this right they're talking about making that illegal in some places

they should i think it is illegal in oregon now i think i heard that but anyway um yeah it's it's bullshit but it's also it's like it's not that much work genevieve loves writing and if you love a house like why not but anyway so genevieve is obviously trying to put us in the in the um in the best light possible and so she mentioned that you know why the house would be perfect for me to have my i can do my radio show or something from there and i said put public radio show like so smart dude that is like well it depends what neighborhood you're buying are you guys still

looking in are you if you're looking outside of the city limits of seattle you're in monson country you might want to mention yeah that you used to sometimes you used to call screen for monson if like the producer didn't show up like can you write two versions of the letter yes exactly

And just put, if you listen to Todd Herman, open this one. If you listen to Libby Dankman, open this one. Anyway. Yeah. Right. So all of that is to say, yeah, I just was like, hey, Genevieve, throw public before radio. I think that'll carry a lot of weight. And again, it just goes to show you, like, when I used to do fundraisers, well, I guess we still do fundraisers for our own public radio podcast here. But, you know, like I used to love working at a radio station. And during fundraiser time, I would be a producer for, like, usually the morning edition shift or something. And I loved it. I love the art of raising money through the airwaves. I just think it's unique and fun and interesting and tough sometimes. But one of the messages is when you get that public radio tote bag or whatever it is they're handing out now, it's not about the tote bag. It's about telling the world I'm a public radio listener. It's like, you know what I mean? It's like.

what is the car that so many public radio people drive to, the station wagon, the very safe? Oh, a Subaru.

Well, a Subaru, a Volvo. I mean, it changes over the years, but I think, you know, in the olden days, the joke was, oh, this is just playing on Volvos all, you know, in various parts of the country. And then I think it became like a Subaru Outback. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of. And now it might be a Prius or, you know, something like that.

But like that Subaru thing too, it's just kind of like you're sending a message out there. You're saying, I'm not just a person. I'm not just a listener. I'm a public radio listener, right? I still think that that carries a certain weight.

Well, when we were in Montana, and of course, I spent a lot of Friday talking about how much I was loving Montana public radio, and that continued through the weekend. I was just like, I'm a big fan. In the words of Columbo, I'm a big fan.

I'm a big fan of your work.

But also in the words of Columbo, just one more thing. Becca has a New Yorker tote bag. Yep. As do we all. Addie had one or has one and I think I asked her when I was like oh do you read the New Yorker and she said I more embrace the uh girl in her mid-20s who carries a New Yorker tote bag but doesn't read it aesthetic yeah which is also a that's a vibe but um uh and it didn't occur to me because you know we live in Portland and and go places in Portland but and and you know we have lots of listeners in Montana we actually have a listener in Big Fork who reached out to me and wanted to get coffee while i was there but it turned out this person was going to be out out of montana on the exact like four days i was going to be in montana so it didn't work out but i certainly don't want to paint with too broad of a brush but you know it's montana and so you see a lot of let's go brandon related stuff and the mask well there is no mask mandate and you know we were wearing masks which kind of put us a little bit out of place but then there was just one point we were in a grocery store that you know no one has a mask on and it's a lot of folks who are probably not politically in kind of in the same camp that we are and I just I was going to get something and I looked down a row so Becca and I had split up to get things in and I looked down a row and I caught just a shot of her with her New Yorker tote bag in this rural grocery store and I was like with a mask on I was like yeah we don't fit in here yeah we do not look like what else is going on in this place let me tell you but you know what i did really also enjoy about being over there they have a newspaper i think it's called the inter lake news so my guess is it's you know all the kind of regions it's everything kind of in the flathead valley surrounding uh flathead lake and they put this bad boy out every day and i bought every time we so i bought one on friday and i bought one on saturday and it was so awesome they have like dear abby in there they've got some local news they're put i mean it's it's a somewhat thin newspaper because like it's it's so hard to keep print journalism going in this day and age but it was scratching the itch i was looking for i'm sitting there on saturday morning i'm drinking my coffee i'm like i'm looking at uh you know some just like local sports scores i'm i'm like reading i'm looking through the uh uh what do you call it the classifieds i found the world's coolest real estate agent i don't know if you happen to see that tweet andrew but if you don't mind uh let's see oh you know i can just send it to you directly because i took a picture of it you know how real estate agents will have their photo like in the newspaper will be a house and then it'll be a photo of the real estate agent i'm gonna just text is it on your timeline i can just go to your twitter yeah probably just a few back but um i'm just scrolling through the newspaper and this might have actually been in the uh missouli and i don't know if this was in the i was picking up any local paper that i could get my hands on while i was there um but the photo

of this real estate agent is wild and i love it uh this uh this i believe this person probably identifies as female because i went and i actually looked her up and we found some other pictures of her where she's maybe looking more like you would expect a real estate agent to look but in this one picture it's an a listing for a house in missoula and then a picture of this real estate agent and she looks like carrie brownstein cosplaying as one of the bad guys in the matrix with a little

bit of tim burton hair yeah with edward scissorhands and tim burton hair yeah it is and it makes me so

happy that this real estate agent is like yeah that's the picture of me if you want if you want to buy this house or if you'd like me to help you buy this house hit me up this is what you're getting into i mean i just it just absolutely delighted me you got a typo in here though i need

to uh edit that for you it already andrew this is the problem when you're living at tweets

you're living an outward facing life like i am by the time i figured out there was a typo it

already had like 40 likes yeah that's um no that that's okay i figured you knew i just wanted to make sure you knew Thank you.

If you want to run tweets by me, I could do a quick little copy editing, like not for content, but just for stuff like that. I don't know, make sure commas are in the right places. I have a woman I work with now. I have a woman I work with. I don't know if that's the right thing to say.

Where's the comma going?

I don't have her.

I, comma, have, comma.

I don't have her. There is an editor that I work with now through APM who edits the newsletter, who takes a look at the newsletter. And so far, all it is is me always putting the comma on the wrong side of either quotation marks or parentheses. I'm always I can I never putting the comma like sometimes it goes inside, sometimes it goes outside. And apparently I never think about that for is like kind of pedantic. I don't know if pedantic is the right word there for as needle nosy, I will say, as I tend to be about grammar things like somehow this one has escaped me. And every time I'm just like, yes, accept that edit, accept the edit, accept the edit, accept the edit, because it's always just like remove this comma, add this comma here, remove this comma, add the comma here.

It hasn't all been sunshine for me on Twitter over the weekend, Andrew, even though my tweet about Missoula real estate was really well received, even though there was a typo in there. uh i didn't so sunday morning i i woke up and again i'm having some coffee and because i'm in just like this unbelievably beautiful part of the world uh with just like walls of windows in this cabin i decided to look at twitter on my phone at 8 a.m because that's really that's why you that's why you want to go out into nature and and surround yourself with that so then you can continue to check if anyone liked your real estate related tweets from the night before And it was a very strange thing To have happened in real time Because I'm just sitting there Looking at Twitter And I just start getting These notifications Notifications Someone's following Notifications And over about the course Of one minute I don't know 40 or 50 people Started following me Oh And I was like But again I was just observing This happen in real time And then A minute after that I get an email From my CBS boss Saying Really nice commentary This week Which was the first That I was learning That they were playing This commentary That I had recorded like four months ago in new york um the gist of the commentary was oh by the way welcome back to uh i really need my bell i am like a what happened let's talk about this soldier without his sword

andrew you told me that right before the show you're like i need to go get my bell and some coffee and then you came back with coffee but no bell what happened yeah i started getting the

coffee and then i forgot about i forgot about the other the other reason that i was heading into the other room um but um anyway i uh uh so i didn't realize they were going to play this commentary and the the upshot oh the thing i was gonna say is welcome back to our friend mike peska who's got his the gist that he's now just the sole proprietor of over there peach fish media i don't really want us to have to go out on our own andrew because i like our colleagues at 8 p.m And frankly, it's way more work to be on our own. But I am sad that we don't have a chance to invent a cool production company name. I mean, I know we've floated some in the past. But the good news about striking out on your own for whatever series of circumstances, that you do get to come up with your own cool production company name.

It would be pretty. If you and I start, I'd like to start the conversation with disposable media. You and I have spoofed upon that before. We've spoofed upon it before. I would like to spoof upon it furthermore. I think that's a great name. And it also kind of captures the ephemeral nature of the stuff that we do.

I'm not trying to, you know, I'm not trying to jinx anything. But should we just go ahead and register that like ASAP?

I think it's registered in New Hampshire for us. I honestly think one of our lawyers. It's one of our lawyers? Danny New Hampshire. One of our Dannys? Yeah. I think she registered it for us Or maybe that has Maybe that has expired

I don't even mean the URL I mean like an LLC Yeah Like we should probably Let's be honest We should probably have that Just kind of on the side Yeah Ready to go We should pull that lifeboat along Just to the side of the giant tanker of content That we get to ride on these days But anyway The upshot of my CBS Sunday morning commentary That they aired Without anyone telling me It was going to go on television was just that like i like doing if i can i like working from bed uh it was and that you know it became this whole thing about like forget the standing desk the new standing desk is the bed desk or something because what happens is i write up this little commentary i record it when i'm when i'm in new york or la and but then a whole bunch of other people kind of take over there's somebody who does social media for cbs so they have to write like tweets about it and they have to come up with a headline there's somebody who writes the thing that jane paulie says before my face good.

on there there's there's just a lot of other people and then what's interesting is the I don't want to say narrative but it can end up being a thing where out in the world like I never said the words forget standing desks bed desks are the way to work like I never said those words I basically just said when the pandemic hit we all got into standing desks or the idea of them and we all kind of were thinking we're going to just like become this like most excellent version of ourselves and a lot of us have just kind of had to do we had to do to get through and for people like me that's a lot of sitting in bed and typing on my laptop um that was like basically what my thing was about but but then cbs news in all their various digital platforms and streams and social media accounts and stuff they were tweeting out this piece a lot yesterday and one of them was from cbs news forget standing desks bed desks are the way to work and then it's a picture of me in my actual bed from my old apartment, typing on my laptop. So again, I'll just repeat, CBS News has made the statement, forget standing desks, bed desks are the way to work. And then first comment below it, somebody named Yvonne, no, comma, they're not. Are you still fuming? I'm fuming. I'm just absolutely fuming. Which I just thought was, and then I retweeted that. Obviously, I didn't feel, there are there are times when people come for me on the internet and it really deeply affects me this was not one of them this was just hilarious to me like i i don't know who yvonne is um i think i don't think yvonne probably is a tbtl listener although i would welcome yvonne into the family i just thought that was a very funny response like i i could see seeing that tweet and just ignoring it i guess i could see seeing that tweet and liking it what i what i find amazing is seeing that tweet and going i'm not gonna let this is not gonna go unaddressed we live in a we live in a world with walls who's gonna who's gonna watch those walls you you like i love that yvonne took it upon herself to correct the record with cbs news that bed desks are not the new standing desks

and the simplicity of it not here's a link something to the contrary here's another sentence explaining you know no they're not i did this for a right exactly and it blew out my back a standing my life or just yeah yeah no context or even i love my standing desk even that is unnecessary but like a just a way of like forwarding the conversation but yeah i mean i really do think that twitter is a website that is just made to create arguments like i there is just more bad and again i use twitter um but like i just feel like there's more bad than good like i just get confounded by it I think I'm trying to remember if I cut it out because sometimes I lash out at people on this show like I subtweet them which is awful like you know obviously we have this platform so if other people want to use their platform to say no they're not they have every right to do that I suppose but like how some people will see a tweet especially because I'm usually tweeting something that's goofy not even I'll admit it not even usually that funny but like in the moment I thought it was funny and weird so some dumb thought I had and if Genevieve's not here and i can't poison her brain with it i'll put it on twitter or something and like and then people are just kind of like they want to you know i think i mentioned something to you that somebody said like oh well i'm just here to provide the the counterpoints on these things it's like it was what there was no need for counterpoint like this why are you turning this into a conversation it's like well because i posted it to a website that is made for conversation i guess so that's on me but like it's just so funny that like people just see opportunities they they think that we are looking to start a conversation where sometimes we just wanted spoof or something

you know like it's just so weird yeah that was you had talked last week or maybe the week before about turning off comments yeah on a tweet yeah and I've noticed like I see like our friend Jesse Thorne um will sometimes do that I I think I think people that are more in the public eye than you And I know some friends who have, you know, huge Twitter followings like in the millions and they the only replies they see are people they're following, which is a setting you can do, which is kind of an interesting way to do it as well. But but yeah, I don't I mean, again, I was genuinely really and genuinely not offended by by Yvonne's take. I just found it hilarious. But I could imagine also if that would have been something near and dear to my heart. Like I've done a commentary on that show about like Addy, about, you know, being a teen dad or I did a story in the middle of the pandemic. The New York Times wrote this basically diagram of how you could hug safely. And so I did a story about hugging and it kind of sort of ended with me and Addy getting to hug each other for the first time in I think it'd been like six months or something. And if someone If Ivana decided to

weigh in on that story it probably would have hurt my feelings a lot more because that would have felt very personal to me you know or very like like those so i can i can i guess my point is i can kind of see the appeal now of not making it a dialogue but making it more of a monologue

by turning off the comment yeah i have a um oh by the way just to clarify something i because well i think people understand where i'm coming from on that but i said like people want to turn it into an opportunity to turn things into a conversation i don't mind interacting with people online obviously i'm not trying to say like hey don't interact with the middling podcast host at best um i'm not saying that like it's not fun to joke around with listeners who want to you know like engage on twitter i just mean when there's like somebody feels the need to present a counter point that for something that wasn't even really a point to begin with or in this case like it just like i am just going to state my opinion on this for no reason like that's the stuff where it's like like slightly combative you're just like well that's not what we're doing here um going way back to something we were talking about earlier i just want to squeeze this in because i have a fantastic idea for a product that we might actually we actually might want to design this and market it ourselves i'm not sure but you were talking about seeing becca like in the grocery store with a mask in the new yorker bag the tote bag we should make tote bags that are I know where you're going with this. There's almost like a Mad Magazine, the back page where you can kind of fold it so that one picture becomes a picture of something else. That can either look like an NRA tote bag or an NPR tote bag or a New Yorker tote bag. But, like, it depends. I guess you could just flip it around. It could say NRA on one side and NPR on the other.

Well, no. Inside out, my dude.

Inside out, yes.

You know, it's a canvas tote bag, and the one side, it says, you know, NPR, and then the other side says, let's go Brandon.

And then you're in, yeah, and then you're like in a red state, and somebody's going to bag your groceries for you, and you have let's go Brandon on the outside of it, but they're about to bag your groceries. You're like, no, like you got to smack that out of their hand, bag your own groceries.

No, you just go, yeah, this used to be an NPR tote bag, but I decided to modify it, if you know what I mean.

People love modifying things.

They sure do. All right. Speaking of listener interactions, Andrew, the listeners have been interacting with us about this song situation. and um i said on i i said on friday that i wanted to get home get to kind of with all my normal equipment and printers and things like that and now i have all i think most of the emails i mean they're still coming in and i'm probably i probably missed a few but i have a lot of these emails related to the mystery song um and uh like i said spent a lot of time yesterday trying which is also very weird like remember how about 12 minutes ago we said we're lucky to have this job last night i swear to god i just wanted to watch tv and kind of veg out i watched a an episode of somebody somewhere the bridget everett show on hbo that i'm mad for and then i wanted to just like maybe watch uh just some netflix or whatever but i had to listen to indie music from the mid 2000s because i was like i promised the listeners i would try to solve this mystery by monday and i was just thinking like i was like a little kid whose parents are like okay go uh you know go sweep the front steps and you don't want to do it so you're just like with the broom that was me going uh listening to the next rogue wave song uh just like going through 2000s indie music that might have the thing i'm looking for like it felt like work which again is pretty sad that that's that's all it takes for me to feel like oh i don't want to do this right now i just want to watch

netflix it didn't it didn't end up kind of because sometimes i'm in that mode and it's like okay i guess i'll dig into this and then i dig into it then it's like it becomes a fun act of discovery and i i forget what my other whatever my you know other plans were well that's not happened this time well i thought you were gonna be like and then i would just listen to rogue

wave all night and i forgot how good it was or something well i was enjoying the music but what

was making me crazy and we'll talk about this more on the other side of the break was there was about 15 times where i was like found it got it like there were so many songs from that era because i narrowed it down to that era in my mind i was like i i can't tell you the song i can't tell you the band but i can tell you the vibe and the vibe to me was that's why i was looking at the bands i was looking at or listening to and while i enjoy the music of those bands i was very very i would just be let down every time i thought i had gotten the song and i was like yeah and then it would just like i'd listen to all four minutes of the song and then it would be over and then i'd be like that was also not the song so that was a little dispiriting yeah it feels to me and we'll

talk about this i guess we'll get into it but it just feels to me a little bit like remembering a dream or... something we talked about i think i tried to use this bad analogy last week too like the more the more you try to get to the bottom of this mystery i feel like the more you're changing your brain too like you're just trying to remember something ephemeral in your brain just a notion that you have but with every new song you listen to you're changing those wrinkles in your brain and it could

become even more elusive in a certain way i was at about 11 30 when i closed my lappy toppy last night and by the way i got my laptop from fisher price that's why they call it the lappy toppy i got one of those um it has one button on it and it makes a cow sound when i hit it i'm learning um i uh do you think that'd be good child childhood development do you think they make pretend laptops for kids now like for little babies because you know when you're when you're very young there's all these developmental phases of kind of colors and shapes and sounds and so there's lots of toys where you push something the cow says moo do you think anyone's making like a laptop for one-year-olds that they can mash because even though that's probably the best like life skill for them to start to understand sooner rather than later there's something deeply depressing about that to me as a concept oh i'm sure i mean there's got to be i

mean growing up i had fake razor sets i mean you have all kinds of fake things that adults use right

of course but that's that's more like you're seven years old you're six years old like i'm talking like instead of like the very earliest like fisher price developmental toys for like let's say a one-year-old who's just kind of sitting there on the floor like stiff hands with their palm banging on stuff that air that that that developmental phase if somebody has made like a baby laptop for them to like mash with their hands i see i'm looking i'm seeing toddler

laptops there's something on amazon called baby laptop baby loves laptop um they have them from for pretty early on i can't tell what age six months to three years this one oh yeah too soon

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very very good sports teams all of my knowledge of lake stevens comes from either when they would play in the king bowl which is the like high school football championship and i'd see it on tv as a kid or things that camaro kev and our friend jd have said about their life up there that's why i know about tom thumb market because uh camaro is always talking about you know getting stuff from Tom Thumb Market as a kid. In fact, the cameraman on the shoot that I was just on in Montana, Roger, he was from Lake Stevens, and I deployed a Tom Thumb Market reference, and he said, yeah, I lived on the other side of the lake. I didn't really get over there much, and I said, all right, well, let's get back to our first position. Are we speeding? Are we speeding? Okay, we're good? All right, here we go. Let's start with your name and what you do. That's a view, if you've ever been curious, like, what's it like when Luke's on set? It's pretty much me going, Let's just start with what your name is And what you do for a living

Do you do that for like somebody really famous Like Kirsten Dunst What's your name and what do you do for a living

It's extremely tempting To try to Like disorient The famous person I'm actually doing an interview This weekend in LA with Amy Poehler Which will be exciting But a little nervous making For me because of course I'm a big fan of hers and her work but i will probably not say to amy poehler what's your name and and what do

you do here no you say okay uh just to get a sound level could you say uh what's your name and what's your worth thank you what is that your worth isn't that like your your finances wouldn't you say oh net worth what's your worth yeah maybe i'd maybe ask i thought that was you know i'm not gonna do the interview you go ahead and do it then i thought that was a parks and rec

reference that's why i kind of paused because here's the thing every time i watched parks and recs i adored it but i didn't like so many sort of pop culture moments um like involving tv like schitt's creek is another one where like i know in the like last season or last few seasons schitt's creek kind of people tell me really turns and becomes emotionally really impactful and i know that like peter sagal from wait wait he he believes the last season of parks and rec is some of the most consequential television that's ever been made um but i didn't get all the way to the last season not because of not enjoying it i just got distracted with something else so i i kind of have this sensitivity like i feel like i have a real parks and rec blindside particularly because it's the kind of show that a lot of people that you and i know really love and are real completists with so when you said uh what's your worth i was like oh is that something less than says to ron swanson at some point in the show and then it made me feel nervous about when i talked to the real amy poehler and she's mentioning something from parks and rec and i'm trying to like kind of play along but i don't really get the reference i think you'll be fine by the way did

you just say this too is there there's a mike sure connection there right is mike there is part of

yeah yeah part of it well he was one of the co-creators i think of parks and record maybe the creator um and uh and amy polar wrote a great blurb for the back of michael sure's latest book how to be perfect uh she said this book is great and it's a great uh passive aggressive gift to give someone you just hand it to them because it's like it's something like the absolute correct question to every moral quandary she said imagine just giving the book to someone and saying this made me think of you and then they say have you read it and you say i didn't need to so anyway uh yeah well thanks to our donors of the day yes most importantly thank you to our donors of the for making today's episode possible. Hello and welcome to Top Story. Well, in the words of Doja Cat, let's get into it, yeah. Andrew, I have a stack of these emails about the song that I couldn't identify last week, the piano version. I'm going to just remind everyone of what the original thing sounded like. We had so many responses, and I really think that the first few responses that we got were actually probably correct in that that chord progression and that that tempo and all of it is exactly almost exactly this song that has like a french name and i forget the name of the person who did it but like the early responses probably nailed what this person on tiktok was trying to play on the piano but that was not what i was thinking of what i was thinking of was We'll be right back. a part of a song where that same chord progression happens but it's like a kind of an upbeat rock rock and rolly kind of a song and again I wasn't I didn't think that my answer was more correct than the early responses but it was more correct for me because it was like I was trying to think about I was trying to get in touch with what it was I was remembering when I heard those piano chords and we got a lot of responses uh listener uh julie thought it was rogue waves bird on a wire which is a song that rogue wave does now that was i went and listened to that when julie sent it in because i knew also that this was and i don't know i don't understand how my brain was categorizing the information in this way but i knew that it was some kind of mid-2000s indie music and and in the mid 2000s i listened to a lot of rogue wave so that was one of the bands i listened to like two albums of last night andrew trying to um find the song and in fact i did not find the song uh

ben said i don't know if it helps um but this is what immediately came to my mind when you played it it's a song by a band called hurricane i think the song is called the hush sound or the uh band is called the hush sound and the song is called hurricane um this is what's funny about ben's uh ben's contribution and this happened a lot you had the people that were sending in what they thought really was the song then you had other people sending in a song that they knew wasn't the song but they just kind of wanted to share it ben says i don't know if this helps but this is what immediately came to my mind when you played it i'm assuming it's not what you're thinking about but it's a solid jam that was a whole category of the responses was hey you should listen to this song that i know for a fact is not what you're talking about and he was right it was not the one that you were looking for yes he was ben your suspicions were true it was not the song that i was thinking of uh kristin uh also there's like in the uh kind of ben camp kristin says this one probably isn't right either um but that song so the the the song that initially people were saying it sounded like was a song called jetta lasere demo and kristin was pointing out that the J'étais Laceré des mots reminded Kristen of Home by Edward Sharp and the Magnetic Zeros. But more specifically, a cover by a band called The Edith Whiskers. And you're right, Kristen. That wasn't right. But thank you. Oh, I got my bell back, by the way. Bell, yeah! Would that be a show title? Bell, yeah? JoJo said, Hi, Luke and Andrew. Is this the song? And then JoJo included a song called Buck Rogers by Feeder. And JoJo said, it follows a similar progression um to uh this and uh maps in the verse i don't know if jojo is referring to the song maps by yeah yeah yes which also many people sent in saying because you're talking about maps by yeah yeah yeah but like again i i actually really love how this all played out andrew because again it confirmed with me that we do at least have some listeners and i think it was a fun kind of um you know participatory thing but i guess i would just say maps by the yeah yeah yes is probably in the top 20 songs i've maybe top 30 songs i've listened to the most over the last 15 years um so if it were maps i probably would have my brain even my bad brain would have probably remembered that um uh i think it's maybe alicia i think it's alicia and i typed it in wrong because i have it in as alcia but i think this was from listener alicia hey luke uh is this what you're thinking about they sound so similar and then alicia included a link to a song called to build a home by the cinematic orchestra i think a couple of people sent this in it does sound similar alicia or alcia but it's not uh to build a home by the cinematic orchestra uh let's see craig listener craig said is there any chance that the tiktok song you're hearing reminds you of the theme to the HBO show Westworld?

It's definitely not an exact match, but I get Westworld vibes from that little piece of music every time you play it.

Yeah, because that's all piano, right? Like, that theme song is all piano.

What do you call Westworld? Cowboy robots?

Oh, yeah, I don't know. Something popped out of my mouth last week along those lines, yeah.

Craig says, I don't even know if you watch that show, but this is just a shot in the dark trying to help you out. I did watch that show. More importantly, what Westworld provided for me, Andrew, was I would say one of the phrases that I say the absolute most now or text the absolute most in relation to sports things, which is that doesn't look like anything to me.

When you just don't want to acknowledge what you have just seen on the field or the pitch or the television. I go right into Evan Rachel Wood mode. You didn't watch both seasons. Was that two or three seasons? You and I both watched the first season. I watched the first season. Yeah, so did I.

I was riveted, and then I was a little, I don't want to say let down by the ending. But it was sort of classically one of those things where it's pretty easy, I think, to create a tremendous amount of intrigue, mystery, confusion, interest. And what's really hard is landing that plane. And it just felt like it didn't – they didn't totally stick the landing for me, but I still overall very much enjoyed it.

Yeah, I had basically the same reaction. Like I know the mystery continues and I know it ends – the first season ends on kind of a cliffhanger. And so maybe it's not right for you and I to weigh in on it because we didn't watch it. I'm trying to remember if it was two or three seasons, but it might have just been two seasons. But the second one felt like three because Genevieve was watching it and it seemed like she was just watching it for a long time. I think that's the thing that show kind of expects a lot of you. It pulls you in, but then it does kind of expect a lot of you and your attention. And I wanted something a little bit more satisfying. Like, I don't know how I felt in the moment where when I was watching the end of season one, but it wasn't enough to get me to, you know, wait six months or a year for the next season to come out and then want to reenter that world. You know what I mean? Like, that's the tough thing sometimes is like that space in between. It's like I enjoyed it the first time. But do I want to crawl back into these people's lives again, especially if it's a very complicated scenario?

You know, it felt sort of like the show felt like it was slightly like coming apart at the seams towards the end of season one. And so the fact that it was like it needed to for me needed to end a little bit stronger so that, like you said, so they would have kind of compelled me to really want to know what happened the next season. But I thought it was an interesting show and raised some interesting questions and gave me a handy way to describe the Seahawks running game. I'd say about eight games out of the year.

It doesn't look like anything to me. Yeah, three seasons for what it's worth.

Nancy wondered if it was a song by the band Hey Marseille. Nancy heard about Hey Marseille on TBTL. We used to have those fine fellows on all the time back in the day when we were in Seattle. and Hey Marseille I would say is well a little bit after I mean Hey Marseille for us is more maybe 2011 2014 kind of stuff but it's not Hey Marseille Nancy thank you though a lot of people thought it might be Perfect Day by Lou Reed Stephen was one of those people he said the higher notes in the mystery song immediately made me think of the last third of Lou Reed's perfect day i really love the music of lou reed at least you know i'd say the top 10 lou reed songs the most popular ones are all songs i really enjoy i watched that um velvet underground documentary that todd haynes made and boy nobody had one good thing to say about lou reed oh really i mean other than the you know musically he broke a lot of ground and and he was um you know obviously had A certain genius to him and I really like his music But who nobody was like You know who was fun to hang out with Lou Reed

I guess I'm not hugely Surprised I didn't know that I hadn't Heard that I guess I'm not You know you're always disappointed to hear That but also like when you just kind of Think about the type of stuff he's putting out in the world I guess I'm not shocked

Also Craig and excuse me Stephen included A link which I'm not going to play Today but maybe at some point on the subject Of perfect day have you ever seen this bananas clip of Lou Reed and Luciano Pavarotti singing Perfect Day together. It's really something else. So I'm going to circle that. I've got my pen right here. And we will revisit that at some point, Andrew, because it actually sounds pretty interesting. Morgan in Denver said, hi, Luke and Andrew. A longtime listener, but first time emailing in. I found TBTL in the summer of 2013 while I had a summer internship at an architecture firm in Berkeley. I've been a regular listener since then, and you've gotten me through so many transitions in my life. Clearly I did not lightly edit this For brevity Andrew I'm just reading this Because it came in from listener Morgan It got me through Studying abroad graduating from Carnegie Mellon well well well Morgan moving to Houston Back to Baltimore now I am proudly A Denver 10 I end my long Vow of silence and finally Reach out to my best friends I've never Met in real life to propose a song That may be sampling the piano riff From February 2nd's show my song suggestion is Fantagram's Answer. The guess may be a long shot, but it's immediately what I heard in my head when the original sample of this chord progression was played. Power out Morgan in Denver. It is not Morgan Fantagram's song Answer, although I really do like the band Fantagram. I'm sad because it turns out that one of the members of Fantagram alleges that it was a very unhealthy relationship professionally and personally for her to be in. But as far as the music of Fantagram goes, I am a huge fan. But that's not what it was. j-dog has some apologizing to do j-dog says okay uh so i'm I'm guilty of drunkenly messaging Andrew this link. Is there a small, small possibility that you saw a TikTok and that this viral moment of the song was in it? Now, I didn't click on this, Andrew, because I can't, from my laptop, get on Instagram. Like, I can click on it, but then it wants me to log in. But then when I try to use my bukler bank, which is my Instagram handle, it always says that they can't find. I can look at Instagram on my phone because it's just logged in, but if I try to do it from any other device, it thinks there's some problem with my account. So I did not click on this. I don't know if you know what J-Dog's talking about, but J-Dog, I can assure you it's not that. Whatever you sent, it's not that. You weren't able to click it, but you just know it's not that. I was able to confirm that it's not that. Okay, gotcha. Leslie, and no apologies necessary, J-Dog. We love you. Please keep emailing Andrew with questions that only I can answer. I love it. I love that for you, and I love it for Andrew, and I mean that with all sincerity. Leslie says, when I heard that TikTok, I just had the strongest PTA feeling. It's absolutely a completely different song. Again, Leslie going with the, this is not what you're looking for, but by the way, let's talk about, is it reminding you of Wise Up?

And of course, because I edited these all together and took them out of the original context, I'm trying to remember who did Wise Up. But it's not that song It's not a song called A Wise Up And I also don't know exactly what Leslie means by PTA feeling Does Leslie mean parent-teacher association

Like raising money for the school That could be the only That's the only thing that makes sense there No, it must be a band that we're not thinking of, right? Oh, Paul Thomas Anderson? Oh

Is that what PTA means? Are we doing that? Is that what we're Are we just I mean, Leslie, I love it But are we just going Can we just deploy PTA now? And people should know that we mean Paul Thomas Anderson.

That makes sense. By the way, speaking of Paul Thomas Anderson, he did not direct this, but I got a Paul Thomas Anderson vibe from it. You saw that new Guillermo del Toro movie. I did. Right. Nightmare Alley. Yes. I did not see it. Good God, Lemon. What is this, a Nightmare Alley? I did not see it when it was originally released like you did. But I guess he released that right at the beginning of Omicron, of the Omicron variant, rearing its ugly head. and so that amongst other factors regarding people not going to theaters these days I guess it just had an abysmal showing so he's re-released it in theaters for a limited time including a black and white only version that like tries to recapture the noir especially those later in the movie those scenes that are very noir-y so Vives and I went to see that this week in the black and white version so that was the first time I had seen it was the black and white version then we came home and kind of like re-watched certain scenes to see to compare and contrast when the black and white worked better and when it didn't which was kind of fun but anyway I enjoyed that movie it was not a it was not an it was not a perfect movie but I really enjoyed it and because of the way the narrative went it reminded me a little bit of a Paul Thomas Anderson movie like you're following along somebody's life you're on the edge of your seat but you're never exactly sure why or where things are going for a long time

the character that Bradley Cooper plays could have easily been played by Joaquin Phoenix Sure, yeah A la The Master Yeah Where you're kind of following this drifter, Joaquin Phoenix Who's sort of looking for his purpose in life And he's coming into contact with people And you're watching him kind of grow and change and whatever Like, in this case, it was Bradley Cooper But it could have very much been, you know And the David Strathairn character And, you know I hear what you're saying That those could have been P.T. I'm sorry, you mean P.T.A. characters?

Yes, I really enjoyed that movie, though You had an overall good impression of it, too, right?

I had an overall good impression I would say without giving anything away There's a kind of big You would say kind of reveal at the end There's a very critical moment at the end of the film My issue was I did not really fully I needed more Character development In the last third of that movie To for me justify the last scene of the movie Yeah that makes a lot of sense Like I felt like we had about Three quarters of the movie was one thing And then it goes from that to the end of the film I wish they would have started that They would have started that initial descent At about halfway through the movie So that it felt more like that could have happened That's all I can say Without ruining the movie for people

Yeah, there are definitely points where it strains credulity Certainly But I just like noir as I kind of That's probably my favorite genre is neo-noir So I'll always watch something along those lines And I appreciate some of the tropes that they pull from that kind of storytelling. So overall, an enjoyable... Oh, actually, sorry, we got to get back to your thing. You know what I did, though, is that movie didn't start until 8.45 at night, and then Genevieve had plans in the earlier evening, so I didn't know what to do.

So I went to a different theater. We went downtown. Before moving to the Regal, where we watched that one, I went to the AMC to watch an earlier showing of this movie Belfast, which is like a Kenneth Branagh movie. Yeah, that's going to win every Oscar, I think. Do you think so? Geez. Yeah, it probably will. It's, you know, I mean, it's fine. As I was telling our friend Kat, like, it's not a destination movie. That is not a movie that you should go out and make a point of seeing. If you're waiting for your girlfriend and you have 90 minutes, watch it. Like, it's fine. But it's not as good as it thinks it is, certainly. Also, like, seriously, you're going to make a whole movie about Belfast in 1969 and not one person smokes? Like, really? Like, you think you're kind of being greedy? Oh, my God. Are you kidding me? It always feels like this is 1969 told through the lens of 2022. Like, you never get lost in the movie. And, I mean, again, it's fine. It's not terrible. But, God, if that wins a bunch of Oscars. But, again, that's why I hate the Academy. Anyway, the point is, Luke, guess what else I saw? So I saw that movie, and then I had about an hour to wait to see Genevieve. So I did one of my favorite things to do that I haven't done in a long time, which is I just squatted in another theater. I left Belfast. I'm like, I got an hour. I got to cross the street to the other theater, but I don't know exactly what to do. So, oh, I see some people are walking into this theater. I guess another movie is going to start. So I go in there. I watch all of the trailers again. I watch the same Newvie, which is the updated version of the 20.

Oh, you didn't get to see the 20? No.

But you know what? I was like, I don't know what movie I'm, they didn't have a sign on the door of this theater saying what I was going into, but I could tell by the brosephs behind me, I'm like, oh shit, I'm about to watch the beginning of Jackass, aren't I? Oh my God, I'm so excited

to see that movie. I told Becca, like the moment I saw the trailer I was like, would you make me the happiest podcaster in America and accompany me to the film Jackass forever in the theater or whatever it's called. I was telling

my, so I watched about the first, I don't know, 20 minutes of it, 25 minutes before I had to duck out again but I will say this I was talking to a friend and I said that I saw the first 25 minutes of the Jackass movie that's the most exposure to Jackass I've ever had I've never watched I'm surprised you made it that long honestly but he's like oh yeah my 11 year old can't wait we're gonna go see it I'm like um well I'm not gonna say it here what happens in the very very very opening scenes of the movie but let's just say if you have an 11 year old you don't want to watch that whether or not you want them to watch it is up to you but you certainly don't want to sit there and watch it with them It is. It's a pogo stick. Graphic. No, it is. It's like a set piece that they do that involves genitalia and bodily function. That is. I cannot imagine watching that with my parents or my children.

Let me ask you this, not to paint you into a corner, but did you laugh even once? Did you smirk? Did you find any of it? Did it kind of catch you off guard to where you laughed at all?

no I don't think I laughed but I did you know I came home and I was telling Genevieve you know basically what I'm telling you now that I saw the beginning of this movie I'd never seen Jackass before and she said did you find she asked me a similar question not that I laughed but like is there any redeeming qualities I'm like yeah like I you immediately see and appreciate the friendship here like there is these are guys who have been doing this shit for 20 years now and have grown up together in a certain way and while none of this is like for me it's not my kind of humor it's not my kind of entertainment like you immediately can sense the vibe of these people who truly love each other and this bullshit that they've been doing for so long and it felt like a family and I really appreciated that I understand why people are drawn to that

that's also a very good description for TBTL yeah two people who truly love each other and this bullshit they've been doing forever

exactly

Anyway sorry to get us off Katie in Salt Lake City said I'm one day behind on episodes But I wanted to jump in I think your special song Sounds like the intro to Hometown Glory by Adele Give it a listen and see if maybe this Is a match thank you Katie and SLC I did give it a listen it was not a match But I have been Liking I like that new Adele record I have to say Adele is so Like famous For being Adele and it's like when she puts a new album out it's like oprah is the one who gets to debut it there's a lot around the adele world that doesn't feel like it's for me but we played that song that my brother david recommended a couple weeks ago it was really good actually i mean it turns out adele might be a pretty good singer yeah maybe louise also thought it was lou reed's perfect day um which it wasn't uh let's see eric uh submitted a suggestion it just said the missing song colon and then a spotify link that i didn't click on but i'm i'm pretty sure you were wrong eric thank you though um hi luke long time listener a first time emailer here dolores in alameda california your music clip reminded me of john bryan's theme from eternal sunshine i know it's not exactly the same but for some reason they sound very similar to me uh you're not wrong dolores in that They do sound similar, and I love, love the Eternal Sunshine soundtrack. Thank you. In fact, I play that on probably a weekly basis, specifically for the John Bryan elements. I absolutely love his soundtrack work on that album. It's really good.

That's a movie that I love but can't watch regularly because it just destroys me.

I know.

God, it is really... It is the saddest... It's got to be my number one saddest movie.

I'm trying to think if I can think of something that's sadder, more sad to me. I don't think so. I mean, I might be there with you. It's just so heartbreaking, but also, you know, so lovely. Back when that movie was newer, we talked about it a lot on this show, and I feel like where I came down on it, or maybe this was Jen's take, was the thing about Eternal Sunshine that's both heartbreaking, but I feel like is sort of optimistic is love is such an intense thing that when you find it, even if you know that it's going to end badly, you still want it, you know? Like the idea that it's such a powerful force that we'll embrace it or we'll go looking for it even when we know how the story ends, you know? Like it's just, it's heartbreaking, but also, I don't know, it just says something about how strong that emotion is. Anyway, it was not from Eternal Sunshine, Dolores But thank you for emailing in I feel like this question, Andrew, of this song Really brought some people out of the woodwork We brought some long-time first-times out And, you know, for that reason I think this was a big success Not that I found the song But just that we all got to hang out together Via these emails Ethan said, look, I don't think this is the song Are you sensing a pattern, Andrew? Look, I don't think this is the song But it has a similar repetition of notes and meets the rock song criteria. It's a Sunny Day real estate song called In Circles. I think I remember that. It's not Sunny Day. Although I feel like I heard that they might be touring again or something. Oh, really? Sunny Day real estate. Thank you, Ethan, for weighing in on this. Leslie says, is it possibly a part of the intro theme to the TV show Transparent? It's not. But that reminded me that I really liked that show Transparent. And I know it ended, you know, there were issues with Jeffrey Tambor and, you know, that kind of maybe might cause some people to view the show in a different light. But I just remember watching the first season of that show and being absolutely riveted. Did you watch Transparent?

I watched the first season. I think I finished the first season. And I'm not sure, but there was a spate of shows that were coming, especially those premium TV or streaming shows that were coming out around that time that I kind of got too much of, which was like L.A., like kind of dramedies heavily involved in L.A. dysfunction, like L.A. relationship dysfunction. Like, the TV show Love, Transparent, and, like, I can't recall them now because we're going back to, like, 2014.

Everything was set in Los Angeles. Everyone's jobs were basically, like, TV showrunners, the person's job in the show.

And everybody was kind of an antihero because, I mean, people are complicated, and I appreciate that. But it was just like – and I was living in L.A. at the time. I was just like – you know what it became like? And it's weird to group all these shows together, too. But about 10 years before that, you had – it seemed like almost every show was some version of the Breaking Bad model where it's like, well, I'm living this outwardly suburban – or even The Sopranos was the first, really. I'm living this outwardly suburban life, but deep down there's something darker going on. The show Weeds and then obviously Breaking Bad and The Sopranos. But then you would just get – like USA probably had one. You know what I mean?

And they get kind of less good based on what the budget for, like based on the network. Like the one that's on HGTV is probably like the least well.

Right. For some reason, they're taking out walls. But yeah. So that was one version of this kind of trend. But then years later and around 2014, it just seemed like it was all these like another dramedy about broken people in L.A. And so while I enjoyed Transparent, it just I don't know. I don't I maybe didn't enjoy it as much as I could have.

I didn't know Jay Duplass was as good of an actor as he is in Transparent.

I'm having trouble remembering the individual roles. Mostly the fellow I remember is who's the comedian. I shouldn't have done this. I shouldn't have started this damn sentence. I'm never going to think of it. I have a bunch of drops of him. I play not from Transparent, but from like Kimmy Schmidt. He's a complete deadpan.

kind of comedian, or he plays a deadpan role in this. I believe he is the husband of a woman who is having an affair with another woman. On Transparent. On Transparent, yes. I'll tell you what, you go on with your list, I'll give you his name later. This was ridiculous. Play me the drop. Can you play

me one of the drops from Kimmy Schmidt, and I'm going to see if I recognize the voice. I like this game, Andrew. Okay, you like this?

We'll stay here for a second, because I was starting to really try. No, no, no, don't spin out.

Don't spin out. I think the listeners will enjoy this game as well they can play along at home i'm looking i have so many

kimmy schmidt drops i'm looking here but i can tell you it's one of those where he says laughter it's the surest sign oh here here here uh-huh laughter a sure sign of a good time now that guy's that's rob hubel right rob hubel is he in transparent do i have that right i believe he's

in transparent he was in human giant too with aziz and sorry yeah paul sheer in the early days i am a big uh big rob hubel fan um so uh so there we got there we got there chris bell yeah listener bell yeah my dude chris said um let's see you know what what i did andrew was i again i cut and pasted these and i listened to most of them some of them though i didn't have a chance to listen to and so when i read you what they submitted i was considering when i put this together clicking on each one of these links during the show but i just thought it's that's going to like really bog us down so chris um uh sent a youtube link to something that i didn't click on but chris it's not what you thought it was sorry ali from the uh wild mike's pizza uh family oh yeah said hi friends forgive me if someone already uh submitted this as a possibility but is luke thinking of the very popular cinematic orchestra song to build a home another vote for that uh it was not that ali but you already know that because you've been listening and you heard it referenced earlier um uh let's see oh wow all right um i was going to read the end of ali's message which is touching but it's a little it's a little personal so i'll leave that out it has to do with ali's a connection to this song and a passing in the family and also the wild mike's pizza empire andrew yeah so ali thinking of you and thank you for weighing in but Uh, you're wrong. Um, Greg in Pomona, California said, could it be from a commercial? That was what Greg's contribution was.

That's it. Oh, I thought it suggested commercial, but no, just could it be from a commercial?

Just in case you haven't considered the possibility that it's from a commercial. Could it be from a commercial?

I know that I'm the, I keep on getting us off track and we're running along because of that, but can we just quickly go over every commercial? Like the next time I'm on after these messages, that's what we're going to do. Okay, we're going to start with Stop and Smell the Pizza and then go from there.

Gretchen, also taking an interesting approach to this, which I kind of admired. Gretchen said, I don't have the answer to what the piano song is, but I commend the listeners for their valiant efforts to unlock the mystery. For me, I did not hear another song as much as a scene in a movie. But what movie? So we've got Greg wondering if it's a commercial. We've got Gretchen wondering if maybe it's from a movie. Stacy, our friend Stacy up in Bellingham said, I was just listening to today's tbtl in the shower parenthetically that's normal right when it's a non-shampoo day I wear my airpods in the shower oh you can do that are those somewhat

water resistant or you think they are until your head dry I think as they've gotten well my guess

is that if Stacy's not shampooing her hair then maybe she's keeping her head generally dry but I've also I'd seen this is before tiktok but I'd seen you know like um online videos to the question of are airpods waterproof and some people would put them through the wash because sometimes you'll leave them like in the pocket of your running shorts or something and they seem to work after going through the wash i don't think the first few versions apple presented as waterproof you know because they didn't want to have people swimming and have them get destroyed and whatever but i think they kind of were if that makes any sense do they have a commercial where little wayne is

walking through a convenience store pouring champagne on them to prove that they are

Waterproof? Yes. You saw that commercial as well. That's not the commercial that this song is from, though, just to be clear to Gregory. Stacey was in the shower listening to TBTL. As Luke played the snippet of the piano song again, it struck me, it reminds me of the theme song to Transparent. Thank you for playing, Stacey, but we already have learned it's not from Transparent. If not, if it's not that, it's all good, but maybe forget I admitted that I sometimes listen to TBTL in the altogether. Sorry, Stacey, too late i already read the email from you i'll cut it all um we've got like four more pages of this too so that's why i'm kind of hustling um louisa thought that it was by a band called fortet i shazammed it four exclamation points it's by fortet it's not louisa but again thank you for your service thanks for shazamming it thanks for thanks for um you know contributing to the

Mimi said, this music is haunting, literally. My husband said I was humming something in my sleep. Oh, no. We've invaded Mimi's sleep, Andrew. Mimi's. That's right. And also Mimi's husband, who will probably never come over to Tendum now that we're interrupting his sleep cycle by way of these kinds of brain teasers. That tune, it stuck in my head. Could it be from Succession? Not the main theme song, which is freaking great with its sharp. Oh, you mean who will get a kiss from daddy? As we all now know the succession theme song to be. But use this background for some of the more intense scenes in the finale. I'm going to rewatch it now and I'll keep you posted. P.S. Andrew, your bunga bunga joke made me do a spit take today.

Oh, how nice.

Then adding the only rocket you can the only rocket you can smoke on. You two are the best. Mimi, your Philadelphia 10.

I don't remember specifically my Bunga Bunga joke But again that's always nice to hear Thank you

Doug in Fall River Suggested a couple of different songs He wondered if it was something called Augustana by Boston Or Boogie with the Hoodie Drowning Also bonus song because whosampled.com Not to be confused with Whosdeeznuts.com Isn't that who keeps emailing you Andrew

Oh what's that song What's that song

This is Whosampled.com says this song Samples the Patrick Wilson song It's a French rap song Called Simba by a rapper named Soul France So I think what happened was You had somebody in France Sampling the original song That people were proposing The French named song But thank you Doug None of those were actually the song That we were looking for He also mentions bonus material You spoke briefly on Jeremy Bentham Did you know his body is on display? I did know that Remember I mentioned Dolars and Hedons The other day, Andrew This guy Jeremy Bentham was trying to figure out Sort of a mathematical approach To how we should live And if we were going to do something that was going to create Basically more happiness than sadness Then we do it And if it was going to create more sadness than happiness We don't do it But he also had He wanted to be preserved And so he told a friend of his Or someone that after he died asked him to basically like um you know taxidermy his body and they did it but apparently the head was so upsetting that like the head turned out so bad jeremy bentham's actual head turned out so bad that it was just horrifying to everyone so they took his head away like get that out of here and then they put a wax version of his head on what was his physical body and it's called the Otto something and it's still on display in the UK somewhere. Jeremy Bentham's body and then this wax head on it, which is not weird at all. No, I have no desire to see that. That's what I'm having done. The entire back of my driver's license is my last will and testament that that's how I'd like to be preserved. Some people are organ donors. That's kind of obvious. That's kind of 2000 and late. I am going Bentham on it. I checked the Bentham box on my license bentham boxes i love that i might get one for lunch um now i'm hungry for a bentham box all right uh jessica in portage michigan said i'm throwing out a guess on the mystery piano song is it lou reed's perfect day no it wasn't but she also wondered is it daniel johnston daniel johnston song story of an artist no but i love that song too if you haven't watched the devil and daniel johnston in a while i mean talk about heartbreaking films um but it's a it's a really really well done film as well somebody else I think it was oh that was Garrison by the way sorry Garrison was wondering if it was story of an artist by Daniel Johnston not Jessica Jessica was keeping it confined to Lou Reed we had another listener Ty thought it was the Edith Whiskers cover of Home I will say this

y'all are not

losing your minds because when you get four or five people suggesting the same thing it indicates that there is something there you know what i mean there is a sort of crowd wisdom going on um but that was also not correct let's see um daniel wondered if it was fix you by cold play or uh the piano version of where's my mind by the pixies it was not that daniel a lot of people suggested that it was the where is my mind piano version that plays at the end of the movie fight club also a listener camilla uh said uh is the song luke is thinking of my hero by the foo fighters because that's definitely the song i've got stuck in my head after hearing that little piano piece a few times i'm sorry to send this to you andrew i would have tweeted luke but that would mean reinstating my twitter account and i can't bring myself to do it i saw this one right after

Four years of listening daily and loving every minute. My first episode was a 24-hour broadcast. Wow, you really jumped in on the deep end of the pool there, Camilla. It feels very TBTL. This is my first ever and maybe only message. Or maybe I'll follow it up with a much-too-late voice message on the correct pronunciation of bollocks. I'm of the opinion that you say bollocks like it's B-U, and I tend to think it's bollocks, but I bet you Camilla knows as an actual Brit.

Yeah, I heard from other Brits too. Yeah, I am wrong about that. I don't know why I started saying it that way because, yeah, Bullocks. I don't know why. I think I just maybe when I first got that Sex Pistols tape, I just thought it was Bullocks. I leaned in. I don't know. That was all I thought. That was my only connection to that word. Yeah.

Would that be – I bet you don't even remember that episode. It was so long ago. We absolutely remember, Camilla. I find both of you, the show and the tens, and the newsletter completely lovely. Thank you for all of it. Have a lovely week. Cam X a UK 10 also PS Paul is so right about Oasis so right British people don't like Oasis so that's just sort of a sampling of the many many many submissions that came in again all of them well-intentioned none of them really helping get me to where I was trying to go last night I I listened to, let's see, I listened to Rogue Wave, as I mentioned. I listened to the French Kicks. I listened to La Savvy Favre. I listened to a band called Headlights. That was the one that I was really hoping was going to be the band because, A, their music kind of sounds a little bit reminiscent of the piano music, and also they were the band I'd been listening to at home on Sonos recently, but I couldn't get access to what I'd been doing on Sonos until I got back home. So that was where this whole journey started last night. I got home, opened up my Fisher Price laptop, and went to Sonos, and I was like, this is going to be the band. I listened to this entire Headlights album, which is great, but I think it's called Some Stopping, Some Starting. I don't know. I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but it's very good. I would recommend it, but it very much is not the song I was looking for. And so I got up this morning, Andrew, feeling very dispirited, trying to think how I was going to explain this to you and the listeners, that we're no closer to finding the answer. And then I looked at an email from listener Summer.

Jalapeno! Jalapeno! Jalapeno!

Summer comes into this with a, I think, a TBTL-sized helping of Bon Hami. Hey Luke, I have no sense of rhythm And am effectively tone deaf I don't know if Summer had heard the conversation About how we're on the fence about that terminology These days Let's just say Summer is not overselling Her kind of Skills in this department She says I have no sense of rhythm But the tail end of the mystery piano song Reminds me of the Monomena song Wet and rusting

I thought you literally meant The Muppets song Ma-da-ma-da A series of no joke That's who this band is named for Okay, interesting I don't think I've heard of them Or it would have been through you

I was really, really into this song By Ma-na-ma-na, Wet and Rusting Years ago This album came out in like 2007, Andrew And I would say Ma-na-ma-na is a band That I was really into in those days And I really like this song But it's not something I go back to all the time which is part of why my brain could not get in touch with this information but here's a little just reminder okay so that's the tiktok piano song obviously this is the beginning of the song that summer was reminding us of wet and rusting

I made you a present you never expected And when you unravel The secret will travel And at about this point, Andrew, is when I started to realize

we were on we were on to something now this is not even the actual part of the song I was thinking of but this piano was very encouraging to me because you can kind of already hear it a little bit so that's the beginning of the song and then later on as I had speculated or tried to remember when you get sort of after like verse chorus verse chorus it goes into this

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

that is exactly what i was trying to remember monomena wet and rustic summer you did it wow summer congratulations andrew when i tell you that this morning i teared up listening to that song i am not even kidding you i i don't know why that was that emotional for me there was a release in my brain upon having this mystery solved after a week or more of just every time i would have a down moment i would be trying to sing the tune to myself to get my brain to remember i even did this this doesn't really work but i thought i would do a little mix of the two riffs and then i just mixed them both together at the end which is one of the worst sounds you'll ever hear in your life that's from the movie saw i believe that's what the guy plays for them spotify but good luck algorithm spider trying to find uh so anyway i i i'm not just trying to be dramatic for the sake of the show the relief that i felt this morning upon finally hearing the thing that i had been you know hearing in real life the thing that my brain had been trying to remind me of for all those days it was extremely uh cathartic so thank you to everyone who emailed in but specifically to listener summer who was exactly right monomena wet and rusting

and now for everybody who's going to write in with suggestions that you try new genics we got it like i want to look like the big hurt

i i love those those new genics ads are funny to me because it's like you know they get frank thomas the one-time chicago white sock who's a was an amazing baseball player i think he was also a baltimore oriole and um like it's sort of like they didn't go with who is the pro athlete who maybe people most aspire to look like or you know physically resemble or whatever or who's the who's the retired pro athlete who's somehow well known for their virality like being virile like it didn't it didn't go from the like let's make a dream list of our five athletes it went from well who wants to do this frank thomas the big hurt okay doug flutie okay we'll throw him in there like i don't feel like these are the people the people in the ad are the best representations of post sports whateverness that new genics is hoping you know to to get the schlubs like me to buy this you know

mail enhancement or whatever he's a large man though right they got yeah he's a manly so i didn't know who he was before those commercials so like i don't know what that says about me but But so, like, I know Frank – in fact, I think when I first started seeing them, I'm like, oh, yeah, he's a former football player because he seems very large for a baseball player. So if you're going for, like, you know, what is a – what will turn men into real men, I can sort of see Frank Thomas being the – Yes.

No, I mean, believe me, Frank Thomas is very masculine and he's very large and he was an exceptional home run hitter. So he does check those boxes. it isn't like um i don't know who i'm trying to think like party vargas it's not like they have

party vargas sitting there that would be something that would be great and he's just like he's not he

hasn't gotten any more fit than when he played in fact he's less fit he's doing the new genics ads it's a step up from party vargas in terms of the messaging and the branding but anyway uh well Andrew do you feel as do you feel as as sort of relieved as I do that we actually got this mystery solved yes Luke I now did you think it was gonna happen um no um well when we were talking today

in the setup for this I started to think that I feel like you wouldn't I was thinking like you wouldn't go through all of this without having a power out I think so I think today I was starting to think Luke got to something but um when we were I was ready to go through I had no power out until 8 30 this morning you were ready to go but you had already put in the work so you were

going well i had promised you know and one of the things listeners know is that we never promise something we don't deliver on with this program but i had promised on friday that we would i would try to figure it out by monday so i felt like the listeners deserved at least an update and so i was just going to do that but i i was up until moments before showtime i was thinking that the narrative was I still

don't know and i was just gonna have to hope that that would the listeners wouldn't you know unsubscribe and moss out of frustration and then maybe that was part of why i kind of teared up when i got summer's email because i was like i mean if you could just see me by myself in my apartment andrew just like sitting on my couch with my laptop just being like yes it was like the seahawks won the super bowl or something that would have been nice they're not coming this year

unfortunately uh this was my super bowl yeah congratulations also to summer i mean that that's a big that's a big w you hit that one out of the park like frank thomas yes how much nugenics are

you taking somewhere and is that healthy see your doctor don't take nugenics if you're allergic to nugenics that's one of the more interesting like fda rules as far as like the the disclaimers on those commercials i wonder why that's one of the ones that they threw in there because they always say don't don't take Cosentix if you're allergic to Cosentix it's like well right that seems kind of straightforward like most people would probably not take a drug that they were allergic to if

they'd been told by their doctor they're allergic to it exactly I mean obviously commercial writers don't want to include any warning language that they don't have to so clearly there's some legal reason you have to say that but yeah it's interesting and again that's a that's a regulation that affects just these prescription drugs because you don't, like, have that warning on, like, peanuts. Like, you can advertise peanuts without saying don't eat peanuts if you're allergic to peanuts, right?

Right. Yeah, no, it's very much regulated because of the prescription drug aspect, but that the, I guess, would probably be the FDA, I guess, that the FDA says you have to have in there, you have to remind people that they shouldn't take this product if they're allergic to this product.

because those used to be those used to be non-existent right like there was some law change in the past 20 years or so that allowed direct to consumer advertising for prescription drugs right and so that must have been like the deal that was struck but like i actually it's i i don't know why i'm just bringing this up as an is a hot button topic to talk about now but like it must have been better before they were able to directly advertise to us right wouldn't it just be better like the doctors know what they have and i don't know what do you where do you fall on this topic luke we're going to be taking calls about this are these ads is it better to empower the consumers or was it better when we just went in and said hey my tummy hurts the doctor looked at it and realized

what medication we needed that's a really complicated question to answer because on the one hand you have doctors and we have you know we have lots of uh medical professionals who listen to this show um and so i don't want to say the doctors don't always know what they're talking about but doctors may not always actually know about every prescription drug that's available i've heard stories of people this has been more in the olden days of like going in and telling the doctor how they felt and asking them you know if they could get the prescription for whatever and the doctor being i have to go look at what that prescription i have to go research that a little bit because there's a lot of prescription drugs out there so in a way if you're giving the public more information the other thing is doctors i mean there's pharmaceutical sales is a whole industry, right? And what the pharmaceutical sales is a business I'm trying to get into, but pharmaceutical sales, the whole industry is you take doctors out to lunch, you try to get them to prescribe as much Enbrel as possible or whoever you're working with. You give them a post-it note that says Pfizer on it or some other squib or some unpronounceable drug manufacturer name or drug, specific drug. And it's not on radio ratings, right you know how we would give out all those pens hoping people would just write kvi into the arbitron it's like you give out a post-it note that has the name of a prescription drug on it hoping that when the doctor is taking notes or maybe writing a prescription they're doing it with a post-it note that has the name of the drug you want them to prescribe so the idea that it's somewhat opaque and you have the pharmaceutical industry trying to like woo these doctors to prescribe this uh you know um particular drug versus a competing drug that does roughly the same thing that doesn't seem like a great system either yeah but but the idea that all you're telling people is like first of all all of the prescription drug commercials are based on a song that either rhymes with the actual product or tangentially relates to it you know what i mean Of course I can't think of a good example off the top of my head But it's like It's always like a reworking Of a pop song from the 80s That now rhymes with Some kind of drug name And it's just like it's a guy who's like He's you know he's tackling his A1 diabetes or his whatever You know situation and it's him Going through his day and he's doing it and they're Playing this upbeat song that's now been slightly Changed so that it somehow relates to the Medicine and somehow it's always a Fleetwood

Mac reworking I feel like isn't it all isn't there a bunch of Fleetwood Mac ones I feel

like there's definitely a couple of them and then he's you know he's going through his day and he's like walking his dog and he's feeling good and he's at work and he's like sitting on a yoga ball and he's then he's that night he's hanging out with his friends and and the song is we move through and then at some point they have to start deploying the uh don't take you know whatever if you're allergic to whatever um if that's the way if basically the american medical consumer is getting their drug advice because it rhymes with a fleetwood mac song that's also a bad system they all seem like not great systems

I try to call up a list here to jog my memory on some of these I'm not seeing anything that I remember but somebody's put together a list of unofficial list of drug theme songs and I'm trying to figure out if this is somebody just doing an exercise in their own mind or actually so there's something called Sefteraline and that's connected to Sweet Caroline by Neil Diamond but I can't tell if that's an actual commercial this is somebody who's saying these would be good i see this is a spoof they're spoofing and i'm pooping on their spoofing okay never mind i do think this is the least fun way

to land this whole conversation but probably what we should have is health care for everyone where there's not a financial incentive for doctors to prescribe a certain kind of drug or uh over another drug because it's going to mean they get to get flown to a conference in tahiti By Enbrel or whatever You know what I mean like how about a better Medical system where we don't have to choose between The Fleetwood Mac based commercials Or the completely Opaque the doctor and the Drug companies are making a bunch of decisions behind the Scenes for us I wonder

You know what does Joe Rogan Feel about this we'll talk

About that tomorrow if he's still on the air what's The okay let me ask you this What do you if you had To bet Joe Rogan Okay, right now I'm looking at my clock It's 11.20 a.m. West Coast On a Monday, February 7th When we meet back here tomorrow At 9 a.m. West Coast Do you think it's More likely that Joe Rogan Will still be at Spotify Or do you think it's more likely that the announcement will have come out That Spotify and Joe Rogan are Parting ways

Within 24 hours I think that he will still have a show I actually even think long term One way or another he will weather this But we will see I'm looking forward to talking about it Because now I am seriously considering Dropping just my Spotify Subscription Which would be Well we'll talk about it tomorrow Because it's one of the products I use The most Between Veeves and I share a Spotify account And it's how we listen to music Now we don't have the option of using Apple Music because that's not the hardware that we have so it would be quite a commitment to do that but like this conversation has shifted not just from the things all the things that Joe Rogan is saying but also the weighing of what Spotify pays him to say those things versus what Spotify is paying the musical artists who are supposed to be the backbone of the of the entire platform so that's what's getting to me and there's so much momentum behind that now and now that it seems like dropping a subscription There's enough people doing that that it wouldn't just be a worthless protest I don't know if that's a terrible way of putting it But it would actually like I would be one of many people doing this now Not just Spotify is going to change its ways because I, one person, unsubscribed So these are things that I'm thinking about But my guess, if I were a betting person I would say that one way or another they weather this with him And he still has a podcast going forward

I am going to predict that they sever ties with him By tomorrow By tomorrow I mean maybe I'm off by a couple of days but I think a couple More news churns a couple more news Cycles as this thing Picks up more and more steam I think it's going to I just think I just Don't think it's possible for a major American Company to stand behind a content creator Who's white and is using the n-word Multiple times I just Don't and he's apologized for it now I just I just think Which is interesting because I guess maybe that means i think we prioritize or we we take that kind of harmful speech even more seriously than we take the harmful speech of uh misinformation about the pandemic um because he didn't get fired over that they just added that stupid disclaimer on everyone's show um but i think i tend to think this will be too much for them to weather but it doesn't mean it's the end of joe rogan's podcasting career he'll just go you know do his own production company and probably make more money on his own than he was making at spotify that's my guess but we we shall see if uh what's what's happened by tomorrow morning that's a good reason for us all to check back in tomorrow andrew at 9 a.m for another episode of this here program uh that

is going to do it though for today's show thanks again to everybody who emailed in regarding the music stuff uh we'll see you tomorrow until then have a great monday take care of yourselves and please remember no mountain too tall and good luck to all

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