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But the point is, going out with your best friend's ex-girlfriend while you still live with your best friend, that kind of thing would be considered a little weird here in the US. Actually, it'd be quite weird in New Zealand as well. Jermaine, you should think about that. I've told you, you know, when you're in a band, you don't get with your bandmate's girlfriend, past or present. Yes, well, thanks for that. You get a love triangle, you know? Fleetwood Mac situation. Although there was four of them, so more of a love square. But, you know, no one gets on. Okay, I see. Mind you, they did make some of their best music back then. Rumors? No. That's all true.

TBTL! I was in a band back in the day. Oh, yeah? What was the band? The band was back in the day. I was in a band back in the day. The name of the band was back in the day.

What's your name? My name? Oh, let me tell you my name. I'm confused. I'm confused because I never went to school. Hey, Johnny. Oh, hi, Danny. What's wrong with Mark? He's cranky today.

All right, let's toss the ball around.

If I were sitting at home and watching this, I'd be inclined to turn it off.

These are beautiful. You got a baby of these. They are too beautiful. Definitely don't want to ruin them. All right, hello, good morning. Welcome, everyone, to a Wednesday edition of TBTL, the show. It just might be too beautiful to live. Oh, la, la. My name is Luke Burbank. I am your host. They just want you to be normal, and clearly you're not. Coming to you from the Hollywood Broadcast Center here in Portland, Oregon, where, once again, we are dealing with some not dry conditions. It is warm, though. I said this yesterday on the show. It is like T-shirt weather outside. I guess this is what it's like to live in the tropics. Everything seems fine with the climate, by the way. I actually shouldn't make that sort of joke Because I get annoyed when climate change deniers Cite the fact that it might be unseasonably cold And then they use that as a reason to explain Why climate change isn't happening So I guess I should make that same joke You all get it though, you the tens of listeners You understand the spirit in which that was intended It was intended to be mirthful To be funny, to bring a little levity To this Wednesday edition of the show Which, by the way, is episode 3,631 in a collector's series.

Let the fun begin.

The new Star Wars Galactic Star Cruiser hotel slash experience at the Walt Disney World has debuted. Here's some money. Go see a Star Wars. And it's getting, I would say it's getting mixed reviews. uh it's five thousand dollars uh for a weekend to be in like what's being described as basically like three days of murder mystery dinner theater what i'm really interested in are all of the people who are making their living on youtube and you know listen there's no shame in the game i can't believe this is a job but there are all these people their whole job is to go like on a cruise ship and tape it on their phone and tell you how it is to go on that cruise ship or go to this disney hotel it's an interesting world of sort of i don't know what you call them travel influencers or something and we'll talk about the new galactic star cruiser uh and then we'll play you some tape from wheel of frustration it's just so frustrating there was an episode of wheel of fortune the other day that had a pretty unbelievable ending and we'll play you the tape coming up also if we have time i don't know why we wouldn't make time for this today andrew and i are finally going to get our foot in the door of public radio things are going to start happening to me now we have been hired and by hired i mean somebody emailed us a uh word document that had the various montana public radio stations on it and uh we're gonna read those and then send the recording to the montana public radio and then hopefully someone will be driving near flathead lake and they'll hear me and andrew at some point telling you what you're listening to, or at least what network you're listening to. Anyway, we'll try to get to that, too. And we'll do some emails and V-mails, all with the help of this handsome young stranger. He's an activist and house party enthusiast. He's also the longest-running co-bro of the show. This show is really a forum for him to really just talk about his life. And I'm going to get all anecdotal on you. Andrew Walsh and he's joining me right now from the Roosevelt neighborhood of Seattle Washington good morning my friend good morning Luke you mentioned that we're going to be talking about a review later on the reviews are in and it reminded me of a review that I was reading just this morning when I woke up thumbing through Twitter do you use your thumb to scroll through

Twitter Luke I assume that's a universal on Twitter I always swipe right in my thumb yeah Now, Twinder is where you date people who you met on Twitter.

Yes, but it's a separate app. Well, it's a plug-in. I don't know. I saw that Kim Masters, who I'm a fan of, a writer for The Hollywood Reporter and a host of The Business. I used to work with her at KCRW. She posted – I don't read a lot of TV reviews. But she posted, this is what you might call a negative review. And I saw that it was for that new TV show, Joe vs. Carol, which is like kind of the Tiger King story. But now it's being told. It's not based. It's weirdly because of all the rights and who owns intellectual property. Apparently, it's not based on the Netflix documentary. It's based on the podcast, which I think was originally based on a Texas Monthly article that you and I were passing around a long time ago, right? Yeah, right. So there's this new, I guess, would you call it a dramatic version of Joe vs. Carol is the name of it. I keep wanting to say Joe vs. the Volcano, which I totally recommend to anybody. What about Joe vs. the Volcarol? Can you write that down? I'll write it down. Yeah, because I want to continue this train of thought here for a second, but that is great. So anyway, you know, I just – something about this is what you might call a negative review got me to click on this thing because I wanted maybe a little bit of cattiness in my life. Ooh, cattiness. That's appropriate. And here's the headline. Hey, all you cool cats and kittens. Sub-headline from the Hollywood Reporter review. This was not written by Kim Masters, by the way. She was just tweeting it out. The rivalry between Carole Baskin and Joe Exotic, which captivated America between March 2020 and March 2020, gets an eight episode limited series. And then the first line is managing to be late to the party and overstay its welcome all at once. Peacock's new insufficiently limited series would have been merely a bloated mediocrity had it somehow come out in 2020 when people were still stir crazy, et cetera, et cetera. And it talks about why the original Tiger King documentary series was, you know, imperfect in its own ways, but something that the culture needed and wanted right then. But I kind of I don't know. Actually, tell me if you think this is a good parallel. This is this made me chuckle. But then I wondered if I could have done better. The writer here. Imagine who wrote this. Oh, yeah. I should give you the it's the Hollywood Reporter. But it was Daniel Feinberg, it looks like, which isn't a byline that I'm necessarily familiar with. But it says, imagine returning to the office and having somebody sit down next to you, probably without a mask, and launch into a rambling story about Joe the plumber for eight hours. That's the currency and vitality offered by Joe versus Carol. In other words, it's just like it's just it was a moment that we needed and had for, you know, two years ago. And now just trying to go back to that. Well, which, by the way, this article mentions Netflix went back to that. Well, with other like follow up docu series and whatnot, I think I got a little taste of that.

But like even those didn't make a ripple in the culture, as the reporter points out here.

Yeah, I mean, I don't understand content, Andrew, which anyone who listens to this show will agree with. that statement but it's just like that just seems it would seem to me instinctively like nobody wants to watch another telling of that story and yet the whole thing with Hollywood if we're going to call Peacock part of Hollywood is that if you're if you are putting something out that has some sort of like brand recognition or pre-existing awareness you're already like halfway there you know what i mean like i mean this is the batman thing which by the way you and moira mcdonald over at the seattle times very much in step oh really great this movie is she she wrote a real takedown of it and also like very funny now she's actually seen the movie

because she is i was just basing my opinions on seeing the trailer a bunch but i thought after our couple of conversations about that i've been seeing on twitter people saying like best batman ever and i can't tell if they're being sarcastic i thought that i was just wildly out of step that maybe this is just a new generation's Batman.

Moira McDonald, Seattle Times art critic, starts her review like this. Imagine, if you will, the pitch meeting for The Batman, Matt Reeves' reboot of the Caped Crusader franchise starring Robert Pattinson. Like Joker, says someone at a conference table, but more depressing, someone else pipes up. We could save money on lighting by just, you know, not lighting it at all. And another joins in.

And what if we made it really, really long? How did I know it was going to be really, really long? Just from the trailer. Like, yeah.

Yeah. So I think you're in Genevieve's hunch, at least if Moira's review is accurate, which I believe it to be. I'm tempted to watch some of the movie just because it's got one of those just like intense prosthetic situations going on where Colin Farrell, the actor, is playing a version of the penguin. Although he's not called the penguin. but he is and he's unrecognizable you know they've strapped all this prosthetic on him and that's mildly entertaining but um but yeah back to the content thing like it's what i there are so many things that get rebooted or expanded or whatever and i just think there's no audience for that and then it makes a bunch of money it's i don't i can't ever tell when something is officially not going to stick to the wall it sounds like joe versus the volcarol is one of those is one of those And like the industry doesn't know it either. They just keep throwing stuff at the wall and then some of it sticks and some of it falls off. You know what? I have no interest in something I was deeply obsessed with, but don't feel like I need to watch the Netflix version of is whatever the latest Elizabeth Holmes thing is with Anna Seyfried. I don't know how to say her last name playing Elizabeth Holmes. Like, do we feel like that has been underexplored as a topic? Theranos and Elizabeth Holmes. Right. Wasn't there already a dramatic telling of that story? Like five of them. I think Carole Baskins was in two of them.

I didn't even know that this was a new thing.

Yeah, I mean, or maybe it's just somehow the algorithm of internet ads is trying to make me watch it. Maybe it's been out for a long time. But even that, like, here's my general relationship with these sort of based on real event stories is I'm very, very interested on the real events. like and then the more fictionalized they become the more kind of like you know the more hollywood treatment they get the less interested i am and also just once i know the story i'm not i don't really care about having amanda seyfried pretend to be elizabeth holmes i was very interested in that podcast that came out about the whole theranos story i was reading endless articles I was you know following the the court coverage of it but I just with all of these things once I've kind of like consumed the information of what happened in real life my interest in watching an actor portray the people in the story is extremely limited you meet too with the exception of the

ones that are so old that they come back a little bit campy I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the OJ you know those um American crime series right no uh Murphy Ryan Murphy yeah um look at me oh by the way there was somebody on tv uh yesterday and i said is that christopher maloney and i don't think i was right but the fact that those words just came out of my mouth i was just like how did i didn't know that i carried any knowledge of christopher maloney in my head um i want to talk to you about something as a matter of fact you are right that this holmes thing is coming out on hulu uh tomorrow actually it's dropping um but this conversation could go in many directions i have so many thoughts on what you said about cultural moments and knowing what will stick and what won't. That would probably be a more interesting conversation, but instead I want to talk about this, which might be the beginning of a conversation that we have over the course of the next year or so. So did I mention when we were talking about the fact that Genevieve and I are moving, when we were talking about that yesterday, did I mention that we are cutting the cable cord? Yes, you did. So this is something that I'm thinking. I don't know what this is going to be like. I'm excited to cut the cable cord, financially speaking, and just not having to deal with Xfinity. They've just been really, really difficult to deal with the past few years. But, like, I think I talk about not watching TV much, but I think I take for granted how I'm streaming things kind of constantly. When we were done with TBTL yesterday and I'm sitting here getting the show posted and doing other work, I just casually had CNN and MSNBC up, kind of flipping between them on my other laptop here. And then I realized, oh, yeah, what about Chris's show? What about All In? Like, how many times do I just have that on my on my little iPad thingy, you know, propped up on the toaster while I'm chopping onions and crying, maybe over the content, maybe over the onions. Who knows? That's why I chop onions whenever I'm watching that show. Nobody can tell what I'm crying over. Anyway, I am now starting to, like, actually realize, oh, wow, we're going to do this. Like, I'm so used to finding kind of shortcuts and illegal ways to stream things like football games when the time comes. But like. Go Browns. Go Browns. But there's not going to be some, like, simple way for, I mean, I'm sure there's something out there. But it's like, you, I don't want to sound like a total pirate here or out some of my more unsavory internet ways.

But if there's a movie or a series on a platform that we don't get, I have ways I can Walter Burbank these things like I don't drag my dad into this. Your dad is that we worship your dad. Your dad is the leader amongst us. You're a content pirate. One of these days he's going to rent a plane and fly over the area and just drop a bunch of USB.

My dad's in the new The Batman. He's in a dark alley right behind where Bruce Wayne's parents are being murdered. is my dad handing thumb drive back in the original packaging to someone. It's so dark, you kind of can't see him, but just know he's there.

They've redone the origin story, and you see Bruce Wayne's parents in the alleyway, but instead of the thug going to grab Mrs. Wayne's pearl necklace, he grabs a different necklace and pulls, and instead of pearls dropping all over, they are USB sticks.

With the Gilded Age on them.

With the Gilded Age. and what was like the british mystery show that i don't know oh i mean all of them broad church broad church yeah that's what i was thinking it's one they would get i mean

if it's on public television if it's on the bbc my dad has pirated it oh god first season

broad church so good i gotta rewatch that anyway but like yesterday it started to get kind of real for me like oh just to finish that thought like i can i know ways to get content not to brag but Like, not stuff that is just like, oh, I'm streaming this in the middle of the day network or, I guess, cable news. You know what I mean? Like, is there a hot black market for MSNBC, like, live streaming? My guess is no offense, Chris.

Well, I think what's going to happen is – well, they have – you know, there's some way to watch – my guess is there's some way to watch it through some NBC app.

Maybe, but for MSNBC –

I bet you that stuff is live streaming somewhere, don't you think?

I actually don't think. I mean, you could be right, and I hope you're right. The reason I was thinking of this is because this Joe versus the Volcaro that we were just talking about is on Peacock. And so, you know, Peacock's trying to get its legs. You have all these, like, I don't understand why they needed Peacock when they were a founding member of the Hulu trio. Like I don't understand really how that all breaks down, but I'm sure – I always thought things like Peacock were, hey, this network has a bunch of things it owns the rights to. Let's just have almost a storage facility for it so that people can get a few streams out of something that isn't very popular anymore. But clearly that is not the case because Peacock is making original programming now like this show we're talking about. So anyway, I was just thinking about it because I think I can get Peacock. Like, I've signed up for Peacock. I've watched things on Peacock, and I believe I've done that independent of my cable subscription as opposed to some of these other platforms, which are kind of bundled in. But it's going to be a real adventure for me. I'll let you know how it goes, and I'll let you know if I end up, like, catching some sort of computer virus because, like, it'll just be, like, 5 o'clock Pacific time, and I just really need that Chris Hayes fix. And so I go to some, ironically, Russian website to stream it.

FuboTV, according to the Internet, if you sign up for that.

You get you get MSNBC live they have a deal. Do you remember we did ads for Fubo? I think we did. Let me rephrase that. I did one ad for Fubo. I believe I had a free free subscription. I owned Fubo stock for a while.

probably not when hopefully not when the ads were running but um because because i got a hot tip that because fubo this was when fubo had was had signed a deal with the nfl i think they had sort of basically it sounds like it is a service for people exactly like you andrew who like sports but don't have cable tv anymore and so they've sort of got some deal where you can watch a lot of sporting events in real time by way of their app and so somebody told me that was in the offing and so if i got in early on fubo tv uh it would be a good investment and i think it lost about 40 no actually what happened was it was i think it was it went way down then kind of stabilized

and then when my money was even i got out of it i think does it stand for for us by others i believe

uh jenco tv does uh they're streaming football but it's only the 2007 super bowl between the

seahawks and steelers wait remind me what did we learn that jenco stand wait hold on hold on

judge none less gb judge no that's not no judge none cuddle others um others yeah cuddle others

Yeah, you learned it on the J-N-K-O, right? Yeah, because those are in style again. Judge none, choose one. Why do you have to choose one? I don't know. And I guess the one you choose is Janko? Is that self-referential?

Here's the thing. Judge none, I'm into. Let's not judge anyone. By choosing one, you have, in fact, judged that everyone who's not.

not that one in second place. Those feel like conflicting ideas. I agree. And also, how about Peacock put its resources into making a documentary about the origin of Janko and how it came from that, what would you call that, philosophy? Yeah, judge none, choose one.

That I would watch, the docu-series on Janko genes. I read an exhaustive article And I don't mean it was exhausting to read I mean it was very thorough About the history of the Esprit Clothing company in San Francisco recently Which I don't know if this made its way All the way to Cleveland But when I was a kid Esprit was a really really popular brand Do you have any memory of that?

I do I remember my sister being very into Esprit Yeah like the sweatshirts They're actually very cool Are those back in fashion? I can see that being very in fashion Now the Esprit look

i would be totally unsurprised to see someone rocking in a spree shirt at this point but it was it was an interesting business story because it was just a couple of um it was sort of a couple of women who were just making making and selling clothes and then it just took off and then became this huge company and then uh kind of you know sort of um it just it just i don't want to say crumbled there's still a few a spree stores but it sort of had this meteoric rise and then And so much of it was just because the logo was cool. It was very iconic. That E, I can see it. And then it just kind of, they lost their mojo, as it were. And, you know, anyway. My point is, I'm very interested in stories about fashion from my youth. That I'll watch. Another Elizabeth Holmes movie. I'm good. What about Wheel of Fortune? What about we take a quick break, Andrew? And then when we come back, I'm going to play you this tape. It's it's it's quite something. And I'm bad at Wheel of Fortune. I'm very bad at Wheel of Fortune. But even I am not as bad as these people who were playing who got on Wheel of Fortune somehow. So we'll play that in a moment right here on TVTL. First, this ad for Fubo TV. Hello and welcome to Top Story. Our top story is, I guess, this Wheel of Fortune situation that is, by the way, kind of burning up the internet right now. Our friend The Stewbot is tweeting about it. I think that's where I saw it. I'm also trying to find where I put this audio, Andrew. It turns out all of these WAV files look kind of the same. They're all squiggly.

They're all squiggly.

That's the thing. Right. You know, if they would just if there could be some kind of just straight lines, that's what we need more to some kind of more distinct signature to the whole thing.

Then I can says the man who has a framed image of a sound wave behind him as he speaks, I believe. Right. Are you in that studio right now where you have your it was a sound print, I believe, from your interview with Jeff Tweedy. Yes. Good memory. All right. I have now gone and gotten the audio back. How did you like that me buying time, by the way? All of that was just me. It really worked. That's professionalism, people. And then what's more professional is pointing out that you were just jibber-jabbering just so Luke could find his file. I'm going to list things in your office. You've got a coffee maker to your left. Okay, sorry. Go ahead.

Yeah, all those things. Okay, so this is one of those things where the word or the phrase, I should say, is pretty much solved. So it's feather in your, and then it's blank space, a blank space. Feather in your, well, take a listen to this. Pale. I'll solve. Okay. Another feather in your hat.

No.

Christopher. So that's embarrassing because, you know, I think most of us would realize it's feather in, another feather in your cap.

But you can see it, nervousness. Like, that is not a ridiculous answer. It's just a, damn, of course, right, boy.

And usually it's like, okay, now for the next person who gets to go, that's just like, you know, something just fell right into their lap. Like, the only way I could win on Wheel of Fortune would be if the person in front of me just completely, like, goofed, and then it fell into my lap. Like, I couldn't do any real. But I'd have to get, like, every phrase would have to have 99% of the letters filled in for me to have any chance.

Which is basically what you have here. But just to be very clear, only because I'm sort of just now remembering how this game works, so I'm going to state the obvious. So now you're saying in this video, which I have not seen, it's the next person's turn, and they're spinning the wheel, and then they'll get the next crack at this. That's right. And again, another feather in your blank A blank. And we know it's not hat We know it's not another feather in your hat 6.50 G What? No G What? Another feather in your gap? In your tag? Where were we going with G?

I don't know You know I saw that people were frustrated I saw this dude about tweet that he was frustrated at Wheel of Fortune, and I didn't know why. All it made me think was, oh, I should watch that show sometime. But now I'm starting to think that maybe that's not the right takeaway here. You should win the show sometime. Yeah, maybe I should apply to me.

Free money. So the next guy messes up. Now, who I really feel for is the third person. Because it's not that they mess up, they have the world's worst wheel luck. Oh, no.

So wait a second, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So he guesses a and it's not there, so then he does not get a chance to take a guess. You only can guess if you get the letter right. Yeah, you have to get a letter to get a chance to try to solve the puzzle. It's been a minute. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. So now the third person is spinning the wheel. Sorry to keep interrupting. I'm seriously, I'm just sort of just remembering this, yeah.

Yeah, so it's now the first person guessed wrong, the second person guessed wrong, and now it goes to the third person, his chance to spin the wheel. Uh-oh, the bankrupt country oh god that's the black wedge right yes he hit bankrupt so this that poor sumbitch probably knew the answer yeah i hope so so now we're back to i think laura is her name who started this whole mishigas off now okay you know what do they say americans love a second act this is a redemption story now for laura because she embarrassed herself on national television Feathering your hat But now she's had a chance To think about it The nerves This is one of those Rare opportunities Where it's like She was trying to field A punt And she muffed it But then it bounced Right back up Into her You know Into her hands Like she got lucky Just fall on the ball Heather Just fall on the ball This is the kind of Riveting sports action That I speak of That of course People will be able to watch All the time on Fubo TV Come football season Do we have a promo code For that? I'll call Annie. How funny would it be if I personally drove up the price of Fubo TV stock from the stupid joke I'm doing when I no longer own any Fubo TV stock? And we're finally actually moving some Fubo when they're no longer a sponsor. Right. That's usually I mean, that's a message to would be TVTL advertisers. You're not going to see a big bump when we're doing the ads. Yes. But years later, it will become a recurring joke for me. And then, you know, you might actually you might get some sales. Okay, so back to the Wheel of Fortune round. This woman, I believe her name is Laura. Like I said, she gets a second crack at it.

Another shot at her. You can spin the wheel and try to solve the puzzle. I'll solve. Okay. Another feather in your lap. No. All of the feather is moving around. Christopher. i'm i'm again angry at laura right now who i referred to as heather earlier um what i don't feather in your lap and listen i'm like i'm trying i'm seriously trying to process this obviously the way you set this up i knew it wasn't going to go great but like i'm thinking is it generational which maybe it is but you're on wheel of fortune like this is straight this is the most straightforward wheel of fortune this you can get right like even if you're younger and you might not know this particular phrase it just sort of seems like well you you are good at idioms that is that is the whole reason you're there think about the places where you would might put

a feather you know like and again i'm terrible at wheel of fortune that's why i'm not on wheel of fortune and i could never get on there so i'm not saying i would be better at wheel of fortune than any of these players, particularly Laura. But it's pretty shocking to me that Laura made it this far in life. Like you said, being someone who's got some abilities in this department who has never heard this particular phrase. Okay, so she gets it wrong, and the next guy gets to go. 900. D.

No. Thomas. What are you doing in your dap? In your dad? Do you think it's dad? Another feather in your dad, Andrew. And the fact that they are choosing letters here, can you just choose to not call a letter out and just say, I'd like to solve the puzzle? Do I remember that? Or do you always have to get a letter right before you can take a stab at the whole puzzle?

No, you can just solve. Like, he shouldn't even be trying to pull letters now.

What is wrong with these people?

Right, I don't think you have to spin You do not have to endanger yourself You can just solve the thing If you can figure it out Now we're going back to the guy Who, remember, has no money Because he hit bankrupt last time We call him Good luck Joe

Thomas, I think the wheel got Laura, you have another

He goes bankrupt again He had no money And he hits the bankrupt tile

Is this rigged? Are they trying to go viral? This feels, I can't

believe this is happening Just to recap, we have Laura who has no idea what's going on We have the other guy who also has no idea what's going on, and then we have the guy who probably knows the answer who can't stop rolling bankrupt Oh my god So this is chance numero three for Laura to solve this thing

You can spin the wheel, you can try to solve the puzzle what do you want to do go ahead and spin if you don't know i'm gonna go ahead and

get buzzed out here on time well what letter would you like a p yes there's a p now this is amazing because there are there's a very short list of potential letters that you could have guessed that would have been correct right because she doesn't know what the phrase is and as we've all learn from wordle like once you eliminate you know some of the basic letters pretty soon you get down to a pretty narrow list of and she actually guessed a letter that is not already in use yep and isn't wrong that's amazing that that has happened so now she has another feather in your blank AP spin or solve

I will solve another feather in your map

Christopher it's your turn no comment

just hearing Pat Sajak's voice I love Pat Sajak so much I don't want to know anything about his politics I have a bad feeling about that

He's on Parler, I guarantee you Probably

But I think, I mean, you know, there's so much Love for Alex Trebek, I think And, you know, well-deserved But you really either Are kind of a Wheel of Fortune person or a Jeopardy person Would you agree with that?

Yeah, I guess so I don't think I'm the right person to weigh in Because you're on either But that sounds right to me I mean, well, listen, I'll go I mean, not to be rude But I feel like Jeopardy is the thinking man's Wheel of Fortune. That's not exactly true. There's not a direct parallel. But, I mean, one seems much more elemental than the other as far as the difficulty.

Sure, except I think it just comes down to how someone's brain tends to work. Maybe. Because I'm really bad at crossword puzzles, and I'm really bad at Wheel of Fortune, and I'm medium at Jeopardy because my brain tends to retain some amount of useless trivia. But I can't I'm a very bad visual learner Or not a bad visual learner But I'm very bad at sort of looking At the wheel fortune thing Or a crossword puzzle And filling it in

I'm terrible at crossword puzzles Yet everything that you said Kind of goes against What you were saying That you've actually been pretty good at Wordle

Because Wordle is pretty simple I think And well the thing about crossword puzzles That gets me is I don't understand the language of the clues

Yeah me too

And Becca does a ton of crossword puzzles, and she knows all of these little details like, oh, if they say this, they're being sarcastic, and it means they're looking for this kind of answer. There's just all of this – people that are really good at crossword puzzles really understand the language of how the clues are written, and that's a big blind spot for me. My point is just I feel like Pat Sajak does not get the credit that he deserves for how quick he is on his feet when he's doing that show. And Alex Trebek had like so many He had a lot of great qualities and he was a great host of that show I don't think quick wit Was that Was a thing for him And I'm always like I almost watch Wheel of Fortune just for Pat Sajak's Quips but again I'm going to ask no follow up questions About his personal politics

Oh he's got such like John Tesh follow me to parlor Vibes like I don't know either But I have no idea what I'm talking about here

You know I was wrong apparently about Travis Kelsey Oh, right, exactly, yeah. I'm very looking forward to somebody emailing me and saying, no, Pat Sajak is a major donor to NARAL. Yeah, right. You know, like I really hope that, I hope I'm wrong about this. Yeah. Okay, so anyway, just to recap, if you're just tuning in to Fubo TV, we've now gone three plus rounds.

with another feather in your cap, and it finally gets to, it goes past Laura, and it gets to the guy who's messed it up twice, but I don't know if he has a, let's see what happens. I actually forget.

He's the guy who chose a G, right? Yeah, right. And then I can't remember what he chose after that, but okay, here we go. Let's see what he does. Oh my goodness. Oh, he goes bankrupt. Thomas, you have no money? I don't know what you're going to spend.

Now we get to the poor guy who had previously rolled bankrupt twice, who knew it the whole time, but now he has no money. So if he solves, he doesn't get any cash. So he has to spin the wheel to even have any money in play. He could solve the puzzle, but it wouldn't do him any good. He wouldn't win anything.

So he could spin the wheel, and then maybe instead of guessing the crossword, just guess the last letter, and that would get him that money? Exactly. The points for that letter, which is exactly what happened. so what letter would you like a c is there a c up there anywhere there you go you want to solve this yeah i'll solve another feather in your cap yeah there you go now when he said i'll solve it was already all spelled out there right there were no more blanks in that puzzle um you just have to formally say it yes exactly i think because he had you're on the airplane when you're the emergency row i need a verbal solving i say this every time that topic comes up on the show

but you know that is probably the most nervous i get for public speaking yeah i know there's i don't it's just it is just and i get i feel the agita that i feel as the flight attendant is getting closer to pointing at me is palpable and i'm in the exit row a lot because thanks to my my little status um i usually can kind of choose my seats and so you know that's one of the better seats in coach so for somebody who's like generally nervous um about about verbally confirming that i can oh by the way i feel great about my ability to open that door in the case of an emergency it's not that i'm nervous about the task it's i'm nervous about affirming that i can do the task I'm way more nervous about the task.

You know what I got out of last week when I was at home? On Wednesday, it was my sister's Blur's Day. I think I mentioned that we had a bunch of family coming over. When I say a bunch of families, it's mostly my dad's siblings. He has like four siblings and then some other family members too. So let's say there's a group of maybe 20 people in the house, maybe less. But then I heard them say, get the cake. And I was like This sounds like a good time For me to go wash my hands In the bathroom For about 45 seconds Which is maybe Actually You know what Singing happy birthday Seems interminable When Did I add a B there I might have said that The wrong way

No I think you said that right It's Andrew W Wednesday It seems never ending

I'm losing my confidence To talk the longer I do the show It is It's like a curse I'm in a god damn Twilight zone You have the yips You have the verbal yips I do have the verbal yips

You're like Chuck Knobloch trying to throw to second, or I should say throw to first. There's a second baseman who couldn't throw to first.

Anyway, so I was like, oh, they're about to sing. And I don't mean any offense to my sister. I also don't think my sister would have even noticed if I was in the room or not, one of the many people singing happy birthday. So I just went around the corner to wash my hands in the bathroom sink. And honestly, when you're not a part of it, when you're not standing in that room, it goes by much quicker. Like, I honestly, if you were to ask me, just wake me up in the middle of the night and say, how long is the happy birthday song? I'd say about five and a half minutes. I don't know. Like, just shy of Inigata da Vida.

You'd say, another feather in your lap.

And then when you're hearing it from the other room, you're like, oh, thank goodness I'm not a part of this. And again, that has nothing to do with my sister. Just my complete uncomfort with singing that song and the seemingly awkward moment of everybody atonally singing happy birthday. It seems like it just goes on forever But no, it's like a 25 second little ditty And they're out of there

That's interesting to me That you It's well documented on this show That you don't like being the person Who's having happy birthday sung to them But I didn't realize it extended To also not wanting To be the person Singing happy birthday

I hate the happy birthday moment And I know that does not make me sound like a real fun lovable warm fella but i am what i am as i famously coined um where's my spinach i need to find i need

to find something in my phone um which was which is us singing happy birthday huh to my uh my

daughter i believe no that's not oh not us and you mean you and your family not not you and me

right me and my family let's see if i can find okay because i think i'm i'm putting this up there I have to, sorry, this is an...

but I have to basically text it to myself because it's on my phone.

Okay, you do that. I'm going to get a timer on my phone.

Can you just do some sexual jibber-jabber?

I can. I'm going to get a timer up on my phone because I want to see exactly how long this is, the way your family sings it. And I have it here. I'm ready to go. I said, okay, I said 25. I think I was exaggerating. No. Yeah, I'm going to go with 25 seconds. You're going to take the over or the under. With my family

We really draw these things What I'm going to play for you is the exact opposite Of what you're describing Your feelings are This is a room full of people who geek out on singing happy birthday

Okay sounds good

This was Addie's birthday You'll hear my sister Sarah harmonizing at the end

Okay and there's going to be a long drawn out to you So I'd say over 25 seconds There's probably and many more then too It might be on channel 4

Happy birthday to you This is slow. Happy birthday to you Happy birthday dear Addie Happy birthday to you Oh Whoa

Luke exactly 25 seconds. I got 25.9 here but i started it slightly early luke yeah so how much money i have on that am i rich uh i'm sorry there was a glitch with the draft kings app and they don't have to honor that bet i um you know i honestly okay now i'm really just making this about me but i will say i am legit proud of myself for guessing 25 seconds on that because here's one thing when so here's an example genevieve thinks i vacuum too much right like surprise surprise i don't think i vacuum too much. But when I do vacuum, I do it usually in pretty short bursts, like I'll kind of notice in the middle of the day, oh, the stairs leading upstairs to the bedroom and to the to the kind of cat attic area needs a needs a little sweeping. Right. So I'll just grab my wireless vacuum cleaner and I'll vacuum that. And in my head, I don't think we've even gotten to this granular level of arguing about this. But in my head, I'm always ready for Vives to come at me saying you're vacuuming again. And I'm willing to say like, yeah, but I can tell you exactly how long this took me and it took me about 25 seconds or something like that maybe 35 in that case and the thing is i pride myself on having a better sense of timing i have a worse sense of everything else especially decorum but i have a good sense of timing of things because i think i worked in radio for so long and you had to cut things to be exactly 29 seconds or what have you and also the idea of somebody will say 30 seconds they think it's like that like it goes by very very briefly but i know actually no you can look at a commercial you can pack a lot of storyline into 30 seconds so i always feel like i have a relatively good sense of that i've never really put it to the test and then i just nailed my own little test right there so sorry i know you wednesday i annoyed you when i was all right to the other day but i'm right again you didn't annoy me you angered me oh sorry yeah um well let me tell you andrew based on the fact that you

don't even like singing happy birthday in a group setting i do not think the galactic star cruiser at disney world is for you let's hear about it i don't know so the uh it opened on march 1st and so there are some early reviews the san francisco gate was writing about it or i should say the san francisco chronicle but the website now is sf gate uh somebody named katie dowd who writes travel stuff for them uh wrote a little while ago backlash to disney's five thousand dollar star wars hotel grows quote poorly executed idea for the rich for years disney has been hyping its mega expensive hyper immersive star wars hotel in disney world but now as its opening date approaches this was written before march 1st sneak peeks have fans concerned the luxury space resort is the latest disney dud um it's the most ambitious disney hotel concept yet Guests must book two nights Which will set you back nearly 5,000 bucks For two people or 6,000 for a family of four And will spend most of their time inside the Spaceship resort much like a cruise And then there's an Excursion to the Galaxy's Edge part of Disney World while the remainder of the stay Includes interactions with characters Lightsaber training and Exclusive restaurants So I ended Up going on YouTube where there are all Of these people who basically Disney lets come stay in the galactic star cruiser um you know for free before it opens so that they'll make these videos that then everyone will watch which will help i guess overall kind of build the excitement for this thing and it's interesting because what they keep coming back to the

people who've stayed there is how interactive it is and how you only get out what you put into it the number one thing that will make this experience worth it to you or not is how much you're willing to immerse yourself in the story you have to suspend reality somebody from something called all ears says you have to buy into all of these things happening around you and for it for it to be a meaningful and impactful experience basically what it is andrew is you get on this thing and it's kind of a bunker so like your room doesn't have any windows uh which is i guess supposed to kind of create the effect of feeling like you're on a spaceship although i wonder if it wasn't cheaper for them to not have to deal with windows as well i am looking but i just say i'm looking at

one of the rooms i guess they call it the hotel room in the galactic star cruiser and i gotta say i really do like the design of it it definitely feels like you are on a star cruiser there's like little bunk areas where kids can crawl up into and it's got that like you know kind of retro know modern design sort of like this is what the future looked like in when they were making these sets back in the 70s like I do I do I could see myself staying in this room and enjoying this part of it I know that I'm I don't value windows as much as you do and also if this if it was a limited stay it almost feels a little bit like that um Coober Pedy underground hotel we stayed

in in Australia I liked that just for the kind of um novelty of it yeah yeah I could maybe get into this i mean it's not something i would probably want to prioritize five thousand dollars for but but really the part though that i thought of you and i andrew is it's what happens is you check into this thing and then your phone is you know like your whatever data center or something you're and you start getting all these missions and like you you have to go like there was like a fashion show that everyone had to participate in oh yeah there's all these it's basically like Like I said at the beginning of the show, it's sort of like a murder mystery kind of dinner theater, but for like two or three solid days where the only way that you really get your money's worth is to just fully go for it with your mission. Right.

Which I – do you remember – this was way back at the very beginning of TVTL being on American Public Media, which according to a text we got from Phyllis yesterday, today is our seven-year anniversary. Is that true? Did we start on the second, not the first? I trust Phyllis to remember these things better than us. But anyway, happy anniversary, bro Yeah, man

What's the gift for the seventh year?

I think it's wireless earbuds I'm not sure

I left some in your scooter

Those are very wired Anyway, I'm not tired

If I stole your scooter, let's just say I was having a low moment If it turned out that I was the person who stole your scooter Would that be the end of the show? Would there be any way for our relationship to recover from that?

If you were the person, I mean, that would be so bonkers I feel like it would be a really interesting era of the show. I mean, honestly, if I could put my ego aside for a second, like, that would just be bat shit. Like, it would be totally.

I mean, I just was in the neighborhood. I was drunk. I knew where you kept the keys. I was like, I needed to go somewhere. I tried to get to the casino. And I'm trying to think of some terrible series of events where I just, my plan was to just borrow it and bring it back. And you didn't know it was gone. But then I crashed it. I mean, honestly, this thing was hot wired. It's making a lot of sense.

The fact that, like, you would know how to hot – there would be a level of respect because everything that you describe yourself as far as your knowledge of, like – Would it improve our friendship? Maybe. Like, I'd want you to teach me how to hotwire shit. Like, that seems like magic to me. Anyway, do you remember at the very, very beginning of TBTL becoming my full-time job? And around that same time, I was living in L.A. at the time, and my friend Monica reached out to me, somebody I had worked with at KCRW, and she said, hey, my friends and I have an opportunity to try out for free one of these new escape room things. Do you want to try it with me? I'd never heard of that before. I looked it up, and it sounded kind of like that, like murder mystery sort of. Of course, we all know what escape rooms are now. And I remember saying on the show, well, this is outside my comfort zone. This isn't something I'd usually do. But as part of TBTL becoming my full-time job, I should get out and do more things. I just love that story because I did one thing. I did literally one thing, and it was an escape room, and then I discovered Minecraft. But I remember going into this escape room situation very nervous. I was with people I didn't know except for Monica, and they were her friends from her other various aspects of life. And I remember just being so bashful and reluctant and whatever. But then as soon as we got in there or pretty soon after I got in there, you really get into the spirit of things. And I did appreciate the puzzleness of it all and working with these people. And I didn't know these people, but we quickly became all on the same team. We want to get out of this room. We all had to go to the bathroom really bad. But anyway, it was a good experience. And I kind of – I'd never have gone back to another escape room. But I appreciate the culture's interest in it. You know what I mean? And I think I get it. Maybe I get it more than I would have had I not tried it. during my adventurous phase of 48 hours in 2015. But so anyway, the idea of this thing having some escape room aspects to it, I can understand that to a degree, but I think it's the forced nature of it. And I want nothing to do with a fashion show, obviously. I'm way too bashful for that. I'm not into cosplaying or anything like that. So yeah, if the whole point of this is you are forced to do these activities, Sorry I'm making this so long That does not appeal to me

Yeah, the escape room thing I think I would enjoy an escape room more than this And I just want to also say I don't want to yuck anyone's yum If one of our listeners has booked their weekend at this place There are a lot of good reviews too Some people love this So if this is the best thing ever to you That sounds awesome The escape room would be better for me Because you're just trying to solve a problem or a puzzle You're not in character You're not like, you know, Qui-Gon Jinn, Starfighter. I think some of those words are related to Star Wars. Really? I wasn't sure if you were making that up. No, Qui-Gon Jinn is like, that was somebody on one of the newer Star Wars thingies. But it's, yeah, for me the part that would be really rough about this, the food looked kind of interesting. It's like, it's sort of like, it looks like it's pretty high-end food that they've made. They put on these kind of cafeteria-style trays that are like the trays you would be eating off of if you were in space. you know like there's some elements of this that i think would be kind of fun and interesting but the fact that i had that i'd have to sort of be in character as a as a crew member on the halcyon which is technically the name of the ship you're on when you're doing this um also let me just say if i was a kid this would freaking rule yeah yeah like i used to sit on a two by four in my parents garage and pretend it was a speeder bike from return of the jedi And I had hours of fun doing that So like if I were a kid And my parents had the resources to do this I mean I would This would be the greatest thing ever But The other thing is They This whole culture of Disney Releasing things and then people just Shitting on it is really interesting to me There's a line in this Article about this is when Before it had opened but just when Disney was putting out some preview info um this writer for san francisco chronicle uh writes uh comments on the youtube videos are generally negative meaning when disney puts something out all these people who love disney just go on and then take a crap on it and that's just a known thing like disney knows it's going to happen it's a very bizarre culture to me that basically i mean i guess it's because these people are diehard fans and it feels like whatever disney does they can kind of see at some people and these are probably just maybe extra trolly people they can kind of see the way in which it's not ideal to their eyes because of maybe their deep disney love or knowledge of disney but um also everyone there was a lot of people who were upset because disney put out this welcome video so when you book a a you know a ticket on the spaceship or when you book your room you get a video from someone named andario zinn who is not heretofore been part of the star wars universe and dario zinn is a representative from the star cruiser who looks decidedly low budget with cheap purple makeup and a clearly repurposed iphone for her space tech some fans on social

media also noted the actor's eyes appear to be moving left to right as if reading off a teleprompter i watched this video andrew it's 100 true it is crazy to me that this i mean i don't know how much this thing costs to build and to hire all the people um who are the characters on you know like this is an incredibly expensive undertaking for disney and then the welcome video from this and dario's in it looks like something andrew that we could have done in a college film class if we were at a not great college like she is just like made you know just kind of made up i think in this sort of slightly less than professional looking makeup job she is clearly holding an iphone which they're using as a stand-in like it then later where they went in in post-production and made it look like it was sort of projecting a hologram from it, but it's very clearly just an iPhone. I was like, this is Disney and Star Wars. There wasn't a props department somewhere that could make this a more convincing thing for her to hold. And then because of the way the makeup is done, so her face is this sort of not normal human color, it really makes the whites of her eyes pop. So it is so obvious that she is reading a teleprompter and it is amazing how much it takes you out of the moment i didn't see that

in particular i did um oh i'm also seeing a video here a trailer video for like um a sneak peek at what the uh what the lightsaber training is

Is it with the guy with the gray hair? I just saw a screen cap of it. I didn't hit play on it. Because, again, I don't want this whole thing to be like, again, other people enjoy this. Like, I have no interest in taking the fun out of that. But, like, that seems like something that would make me very uncomfortable. Again, being in a lightsaber training class does not seem like the type of thing that I would be very interested in. But to yum on this yuck, I will say this. I love the artist renderings of what, like, the mess area is supposed to look like. Now, this is an artist rendering, but it's like this very futuristic, you know, obviously space age, spaceship mess hall area. But the thing is, but it's more like a bar, like kind of a cocktail lounge like you see in Star Trek. I almost picture this more in Star Trek. And this is what I'm getting at. The idea of, like, not having any of these games or activities, but if I could just, like, get kind of tight on space booze, like, that would be awesome. Like, whenever I see people on Star Trek, like, kind of sitting in the lounge area, and there's, like, a bartender, and they're making some sort of, like, a blue drink in a glass that's served up.

You're not thinking of Star Wars? Well, I know Star Wars has their bars. I feel like they're always drinking in Star Wars, and it's always, like, it always seems like it's got steam coming off of their smoke.

Yeah, but Genevieve has Star Trek on all the time here, too. A lot of next generation stuff. Like, there's some sort of a place where people, and Whoopi Goldberg is always dishing out advice. Oh, yeah. while over a cocktail. Is that really her name? Gaiden?

God, how do you know all this? You are impressing me. Well, I was wrong the first time. I think I called her Gaia, which is like Mother Earth. I just know her as Egot. Guinan. They should have just called her Egot.

That character should have been called Egot.

Guinan is the... Really? But still, I mean, how did you even come close to that? I love how low the bar is, Andrew. It took me two guesses and then looking at it on the internet, and that impressed you.

How much of that show did you ever watch?

It's actually on in my house. Like, and I didn't know that. Anyway, so they're getting, I love getting tight on space booze. Yeah. But you agree, right?

Wouldn't that be fun? Like, to hang out in this artist rendering, you, me, a couple of buds, maybe even pulling space tabs or something. I don't know. Like, that sounds awesome.

Here I go once again with the email. Every week, I hope that it's from a female. No, man, it's not from a female.

I cannot even imagine how many phones were thrown during that 20 seconds it took me to get to Guinan.

I don't, I mean, is that common knowledge? I mean, I guess we probably...

I think to a lot of our listeners, it would be very common knowledge. And again, again, I just want to say for the 50th time, and please, no yums were yucked in the making of this, or there was no attempted yucking of any yums on this episode. Like, if you love Star Trek, great. If you love going to the Star Wars thing at Disney, that's awesome. If you're space sober, like you don't drink in space, that's also fine. Nerd. Space nerd. Whatever your deal is, we support it and we're into it. And I don't want to be super negative. I'm just saying that when I saw the fashion show, Andrew, I thought that would not be for my friend Andrew.

No, that's exactly true. And I'm not saying this because I'm scared of getting hollered at by the listeners or just generally don't want to offend somebody. I just I truly believe everything that you just said. Like, I love people nerding out to whatever subculture they love. I'm often I'm often very kind of envious of that. But, yeah, just speaking about like how this is, you know, with all I can't be in a room with people singing happy birthday. Like, obviously, this is not not for me. I have a voicemail for you here. I saw this note from somebody else, too. I didn't know what they were talking about because I don't remember what we talk about on the show. But I do remember – actually, this was somewhat cringy. I wanted to cut it out of the show. I was making a joke saying that I was playing that little – or I was thinking about the song Oh, Susanna a couple of weeks ago. And I thought if that old internet game, What's Something That Seems Racist But Isn't, were still, like, trending, I might think Oh, Susanna fits in that category. I don't know if that really even makes sense. And I feel like maybe there's a bias against the South there. I don't know. Either way, I apparently left that little quip in the show. And then you, I don't, I want to place the blame here on you, but I really don't remember it. Apparently during this conversation, we conflated two songs. And so I'm mostly playing this correction, not because it matters, but because I like hearing Louisa sing.

Hi, guys. Louisa here. I don't know why I always find myself singing on the answer machine, but I just wanted to let y'all know that when you were talking about the Oh Susanna song, Luke conflated two songs. He conflated Coming Round the Mountain. She'll be coming round the mountain when she comes. She'll be coming round the mountain when she comes, which I think was actually about like a grandma's visit or something. And Oh Susanna is, Oh Susanna.

So, yeah, I only know that as a Canadian because I think, like, my dad sang me out, Susanna, or something like that. So, yeah, Susanna is not waiting for anyone around the mountain, but from Alabama with a banjo on their knee. Toodle-oo, that's about it, and power out.

So, yeah, I don't remember the conversation.

By the way, the brain is a weird thing because I very much trust Louisa on this. There would be no reason that she would call other than showing off her tremendous singing voice, which is tremendous. There would be no reason to – obviously, I got this wrong. But it's funny because I know the Oh, Susanna song, or at least I know the come from Alabama with the banjo on my knee part of it. So my brain must have just shorted out, and then I started singing the she'll be coming around the mountain when she comes. Like I just don't know why. Like I know that. know those to be different things and i wonder why i did that i was listening to a song the other day

i can't unfortunately i can't play an example for you because then spotify will just pull this episode off of their platform as well but the song actually ironically or aptly i'm thinking of the 1980s song suzanna suzanna suzanna and i think i've told you this growing up i always thought that song was hosanna because i was young and we i grew up in the catholic church and there There was another song that had religious overtones at the time, Kyrie Eleisa. Oh, yeah, Kyrie Eleisa by Mr. Mister. And that is religious, right? Isn't that the origins of that? Yeah, I think that's like Hebrew or something. Or maybe it's, yeah, something. That song was on the air, which was something that I heard in church, and I'm a little kid. And then so I hear the song Susanna, and I think it's Hosanna. Anyway, that's neither here nor there.

I'm sure a youth pastor did cover that somewhere and make it into Hosanna.

I mean I'm very confident that happened But anyway whenever I start singing The song Susanna in my head It always slips into a different 80s song Like I cannot keep them out I can't keep them separate in my head And the other song is Take me all the way I don't even know That's the same song Is that the same song?

Yeah

Oh well then Rosanna

Good story Good story bro I swear it takes me into a different song When we talk about the She'll be coming around the mountain Or come from Alabama with my banjo on my knee I always think of this song From Little House on the Prairie When I was a kid that Mr. Edwards sings Old Dan Tucker was a fine old man Washed his face in a frying pan Combed his hair with a wagon wheel Died with a toothache in his heel I think I've played this on the show before But I gotta just get this out of my

Old Dan Tucker was a fine old man Washed his face in a frying pan Combed his hair with a wagon wheel Died with a toothache in his heel Get out the way for old Dan Tucker It's too late to get in the mood

So there you go That song Probably will be my final words Will be old Dan Tucker Like in Citizen Kane Where he says rosebud It'll just be me quoting the lyrics To old Dan Tucker The song that I heard When I was six years old Or something

The last time you brought this up Somebody I don't have their name on this tape But I did save the tape I think this might be Maggie Although I'm not entirely sure But after you saying that The first time Somebody else left it on our voicemail machine.

Old Dan Tucker was a fine old man, washed his face with a frying pan, combed his hair with a wagon wheel, died with a toothache in his heel. Get out the way for old Dan Tucker. He's too late to get his supper. Supper's over and dinner's cooking. Old Dan Tucker just stands there looking. Pow, pow. That was good.

Yeah. Boy, we got some real good singers on the show. I know. I don't think that's Maggie, actually. I know Maggie's voice. I don't think that was Maggie. I don't know who that was, but yeah.

Well there you go We didn't get to our We didn't get to our Big break on Montana Public Radio Maybe we can do that Tomorrow Angela Yes that's right I want to just tell you In advance I'm looking I printed out this thing This is as nervous As I've ever been To do anything On this show Well good thing You're not on an airplane

In an exit row Because that'd be Dubly hard Like this is Right

Exactly I need to verbally We need to verbally Confirm Luke If people are listening On KGPR Great Falls 89.9 Like I am I'm nervous about this So I guess we'll just have to tackle it together tomorrow

Yeah so we're actually the plan is And we don't have to do this I kind of Pushed us in this direction but the plan is To record it on the show right for you and I Maybe to do a couple of takes on TBTL Of us trying to get the perfect little Legal ID promo That'll air on Montana Public Radio We'll just do that on the show and then send them the best take

Yeah unless we don't

Like it and then we'll just do it in private Okay, but we want to at least try to do it on TBTL for the entertainment. I'm not kidding. We don't have to. No, no, no. No, it's good. Push ourselves a little bit.

It'll be good.

It'll be like that time you went to an escape room, Andrew, and pushed yourself. Exactly. So once every seven years, whether I need to or not, I push myself out of my comfort zone.

Should we just go out with my family singing Happy Birthday again?

No. You know what? I get another song. We have the rights to it. There was a time when we wouldn't have. Remember all the legal stuff around the Happy Birthday song for years and years? It only became public domain in the past, like, 15 years. It was a big deal.

Yeah. We covered that. And I remember us covering it, right? because Old Dirty Bastard sued them.

I think you're confusing him with Mr. Ed. I actually, I don't remember our conversation about it on TBTL. I just remember growing up and I kept thinking, oh, it's an urban legend that you can't use the Happy Birthday song, but it kept on proving to be true. And then eventually the copyright finally did wear off on that thing. I remember it just being kind of a big cultural moment.

And to think all of those people working at all those fast, casual restaurants who had to learn the fast, Casual Restaurants version of a Happy Birthday song that was not trademarked? Was it

Chi-Chi's? Happy, happy, happy birthday. Happy, happy, happy birthday. Happy, happy, happy birthday to you, to you, to you. Olé!

I know Red Robin was, happy, happy birthday. Happy, happy birthday. May all your dreams come true. Oh, wow. I've never been to Red Robin, so I haven't heard that one. You, my friend,

have not lived. How? Yeah. Whatever our next road trip is Assuming that you and I are going to take a road trip at some point We should try to find a Red Robin

They've got those steak fries And I don't mean like steak frites I mean the kind of fries that are just really big And they're kind of flat and wide

I don't usually like those

Do you like those? I would not want to like only have them As my french fries for the rest of my life But the ones at Red Robin are very Comforting to me Like because I think Well I used to get The only times I would get to go to Red Robin when I was a kid Was when I would go with Peter Williams' family But then his mom would say but then no one's getting soda To free up The money that's now going towards Luke And then What's that?

So now everybody hates you, everybody's seething at the table Drinking their water and just making uncomfortable eye contact

Crying into their water But then of course I just used to go there with Addie So much when she was really little And I just have a lot of really really really good memory so that that particular food and they have a pretty good um like veggie burger thing that i have i've kind of like i've life hacked it buddy with their burger situation where because what happens a lot of times with a um a garden burger type thing is they assume that because you're eating you're not eating meat you want like sprouts on your burger or some shit you know what i mean like it's just like no i want to be eating a hamburger but i don't want cows to have to die for it so that's why i'm doing this but so often the the garden burger option will just be like some crazy you know it's on like a pumpernickel bun with like just a whole bunch of weird stuff that makes it so far away from being a hamburger to me so what i do is i get like whatever their tavern burger thing is but then i just have them put in the the like impossible burger yeah yeah patty and i do that a lot of i do a version of that at burgerville same thing that's like a kind of local chain here i'll get there they have like a um black bean patty that's really yummy but the thing that they want me to eat it in what they think the vegetarians of the world want is totally off like i'm not in line at this drive-thru because i'm trying to eat sprouts right yeah right right so it'll be like i'll like find a burger that looks good and i'll be like can you please make me that and but can you just use

the bean patty so hey um this is something i've been meaning to uh just mention to you in passing at some point or another probably off air but we're we're in the the the waning hours of the show anyway um hey moment of silence and respect for one of your favorite restaurants that i associate with you because we went there a lot when we were first hanging out low those many years ago but i'm sure you heard that cafe press in capital in the capitol hill uh area of seattle finally closed its doors i think that the pandemic just i think really just did a number on them and they couldn't survive and that was one of your it was like it was a french restaurant but very casual like very casual french restaurant that i know that you loved you mentioned steak frites

which made me think of it i think cafe press was i think you could have made the argument it was the best restaurant in seattle if you combined the food the atmosphere the vibe yeah it was like a it was a you know it was a french restaurant that would show like a world you know all the like premier league stuff so people would be there you know odd hours watching soccer they had a little newsstand if i remember right with all kinds of like magazines and a lot of them were french like newspapers and magazines and stuff it just felt but it didn't seem pretentious at all it just seemed like somehow both really um good food and drinks but in what felt like a really casual environment i don't know how they nailed it But I heard, though, because I read the article about them closing, it wasn't – they didn't close for financial reasons. They just – the people who owned it just wanted to do something else. They just kind of had had a good run.

You know, I had read a couple of articles. I apologize then for saying that. I guess I just misremembered. I remember one person said they're just going to spend more time in their garden, which I thought was an interesting quote. And then somebody else was – did have another like kind of business situation that they were working on. But I thought that – I guess I just totally made that up.

maybe conflated it with other stories no you know what you're not wrong uh you're you're not wrong i'm reading this article um i don't know how this is how we're ending the show but you're right uh let's see uh frankly we're just getting old and tired uh jimmy droman who was one of the owners said so it was owned by these two people jim droman and joanne heron um frankly we're just getting old and tired droman said this morning jokes and joviality aside he said he and heron are doing some long-range retirement planning. We're both coming up on that age. COVID's arrival in 2020 scuttled their schedule and shifted their business partners from wind-down mode to survival.

I see.

But now, Droman says, they've stabilized their financial position. Another significant factor was the overture from Chef Grayson Corrales to take over the space. So I guess there's going to be something else cool there. I see. So it was a factor,

but it wasn't the headline factor that I was making it out to be.

The only reason that I even was sort of fixated on how or why they had to close like if it was financial or not which was and by the way you were i think you were right we were it was like 50 50 on this i think because this i always felt like it was one of the more popular places to go in seattle and the idea that no one wanted to buy it was shocking to me but i guess you know i mean it i think it had a certain um je ne sais quoi andrew if i can keep it uh appropriate to the french that maybe you know you wouldn't be able to really that was maybe a real outgrowth of the people who owned it and someone else buying it it's not going to be the same thing yeah but yeah r.i.p cafe press that i've i have so many good

memories uh from being at cafe press did you get to like when's the last time you were able to go there i assume you didn't get a last meal once the end because i think they stayed open maybe a

month after the announcement came out no it was i think it just happened to fall at a time when i wasn't in seattle um so i'll just remember it fondly i was probably a few years ago i'm sure I went there with Addy or something. Yeah, yeah. I haven't been there.

I don't know. Luke, I don't know if I've been there. Well, I think I've been there since I've been there with you, but not really since that era of our life. Because Vives, I think we went the first time with you guys. Then we lived on the hill, so it wasn't far. So I remember Vives wanted to go back a lot. And again, she loved the steak frites there. So anyway, yeah, but it's been a very long time. And now it's my fault that they're closing.

To answer your question, Andrew, yes, we can go to Red Robin. That was where this whole thing started. Take me to Red Robin, Luke. That's a great Hozier song. He does the Take Me to Church song.

Oh, you've told me that a million times. You don't like it because it's like psychosexual religious, right?

It's, again, I'm really trying to work on not being critical of things that people like for no reason because that's not great. But it's the for me personally, the intersection of the sacred and the sexual is just never been particularly interesting. This idea of like of like, you know, even with like Madonna and stuff. Right. What about that? Yeah, that's a good example. Well, I love those songs, but not because of the fact that she's, you know, on a cross having sex with someone or whatever. Like that part of it or like the kind of I don't know what Hosier's stick overall is stick overall is. But I feel like he just has strong intersection Of the sacred and the sexual vibes for me Which again just isn't That's just not a style of music That is for me But for the people who love it For people who want to listen to it On the Starship Galaxy at Disney World While attending a Space AA meeting

I am like so good at that I thought when you said that Dave And I think I've done this every single time For some reason I think oh that's some indie band From the Midwest Because I think of Hoosiers I think I honestly do. I think my brain does something where it short circuits to Hoosier, and I think, oh, that's some, like, trio of white guys that were popular in the late 90s, and they're, you know, probably from Indiana or something. Uh-huh. Oh, I'm sure that band exists. Yeah.

I'm sure you nailed it exactly. Definitely one of them is wearing Chuck Taylors in one of their publicity photos. They're skinny. At least two of them are. I don't know. Yep. Okay. That is going to do it for today's show. Thank you everyone for listening to it Being here, being part of TVTL We're going to be back here tomorrow with another one So we will see you then Until then, have a great Wednesday Take care of yourselves And please remember, no mountain too tall And good luck to all

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You are the wind beneath my wings The end is what always gets me about that song

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